[FairfieldLife] Chain of Fools : Upgrading through every version of windows
Here's a real nerd video for those interested. A British nerd uses a virtual machine running under VMware to install every version of Microsoft Windows, from 1 to 7. On the whole, his assessment of Microsoft's upgrade process is favorable, and I agree. Try to imagine the programming challenge of having to gracefully deal with almost every configuration or tweak users may have inflicted on the previous operating system when installing the new one. It's almost amazing that they've done as well as they have. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14
[FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of Turq's psychological traits, cry for help
LOL...Barry and the dogs? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher no_reply@... wrote: That sounds like a great pilot for a new Realty TV series! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Ravi, I respectfully disagree with your diagnosis of Barry. Based on his writings here, he does not have a personality disorder of any sort. Oh yeah? Picture this * Barry takes the dogs down the beach for a walk, notices huge waves beating down, reminds him of how his inflated ego took a beating during his time at TMO and proceeds to spoil his morning walk obsessing on how he would post to FFL on how this reminded him of the powerful primal forces of the TMO MMY. * Barry takes the dogs on a walk to the park, he notices dry leaves falling to the grounds, reminds him of how empty he felt as he withered away his connections to TMO when he was not acknowledged for his specialness and spends rest of time coming up with beautiful ideas for his post on FFL mocking and ridiculing TB's for their connections to TMO. * The dogs are tired of Barry's bullshit - they are not ready for a third walk to stimulate his paranoia. Barry, determined to make yet another convincing post denunciating TMO MMY on FFL, dumps the dogs and heads to the nearest Internet cafe and reads an article on Scientology. His imagination runs wild as he weaves his magic comparing Scientology and TM0/MMY. * The dogs are now pure pissed, they block the door and prevent Barry from leaving. Undeterred Barry fires up his laptop, reads an article on Facebook evils which really gets all his mental cylinders firing as he comes up with a plan to compare online addiction to TB's addiction with TMO/MMY. * It's late evening. The dogs and Barry are both tired and don't have any energy to play any games. Barry reads an email where Judy patiently and methodically is ripping apart his bizarre fantasies. He furiously types away his final email accusing everyone of shutting him up and indulging in get Barry fests and get Barry orgies, he declares himself to be a heretic and that he can't be shut up. After he hits the send button, his face falls flat on the keyboard and he dozes off in exhaustion. Love - Ravi Yogi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of Turq's psychological traits, cry for help
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher no_reply@... wrote: That sounds like a great pilot for a new Realty TV series! Funny. Needless to say, there is no need to actually read any of Ravi's screeds because it's all there in the Subject line, but it's great when someone reacts to one with humor. Lord knows one needs a little humor when the person whose mental health we were all concerned enough about a few months ago to try to intervene and get him to seek treatment is up at 4:00 AM every morning saying that someone *else* is crazy. :-) Let's hear it for line on stone, and holding grudges. If it weren't for grudges, some posters on FFL would have nothing to say.
[FairfieldLife] Cley Hill, nr Warminster, Wiltshire. Reported 9th July.
http://www.earthfiles.com/shop.php Cley Hill, nr Warminster, Wiltshire. Reported 9th July. Map Ref: Google Maps http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=daddr=51.205028,-2.\ 227585hl=engeocode=mra=mimrsp=0sz=17sll=51.204672,-2.227811sspn=0\ .003247,0.009645ie=UTF8t=hll=51.204679,-2.227821spn=0.010271,0.02765\ 9z=16 This Page has been accessed [Hit Counter] Updated Monday 27th September 2010 http://www.7fires.net/ AERIAL SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/cleyhill/cleyhill2010a.html GROUND SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/cleyhill/groundshots.html DIAGRAMS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/cleyhill/diagrams.html FIELD REPORTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/cleyhill/fieldreports.html COMMENTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/cleyhill/comments.html ARTICLES http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/cleyhill/articles.html 10/07/10 18/07/10 08/09/10 00/00/10 27/09/10 13/09/10 Image John Montgomery Copyright 2009 3D cube appears at Cley Hill. This crop formation has appeared in a field below Cley Hill, near Warminster. Cley Hill is well known to UFO enthusiasts who have visited this hill in Wiltshire over the years for Night watches. Night watches from this hill stretch back to at least the 1960's to my knowledge. It reminds me of Hinton's cubes that I read about in a really significant book, Hyperspace, by the leading theoretical physicist, and author Michio Kaku. I can recommend this book to anyone interested in other dimensions. This formation is a remarkable event that inspires one's thoughts to journey to the edge of known knowledge. Julian Gibsone (Director of the Crop Circle Connector's DVD's) http://www.cccvault.com/cccvideos/trailer09c.html Thought I'd share this info with you for anyone wanting to visit this formation. We followed the Google map directions, which led us to the field and we could see the formation across the other side of the field. Sadly the tractor lines were running the wrong way for us to cross to to it. Only way I think is to climb Cley Hill and walk down into field from there, as we could see a few people doing this. Sadly by the time we'd realised we had to leave, as it would have been a very long walk. Jennifer Denning http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=122251217802800v=wall Discuss this circle on Facebook CIRCLE CHASERS ON FACEBOOK http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=122251217802800v=wall Images Lucy Pringle http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/ Copyright 2010 http://www.cccvault.com/cccvideos/trailer2010a.html CLICK HERE FOR THE LATEST CROP CIRCLE CONNECTOR DVD http://www.cccvault.com/cccvideos/trailer2010a.html http://www.thecropcircleshop.com/ Make a donation to keep the web site alive... Thank you Images Charles Bolden Copyright 2010 http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/conduct.html http://www.sacredbritain.com/cropcircles.html Images Steve Alexander http://www.temporarytemples.co.uk/ Copyright 2010 Crop Circle
[FairfieldLife] Wickham Green (North of M4), nr Hungerford, Berkshire. Reported 30th July.
http://www.earthfiles.com/shop.php Wickham Green (North of M4), nr Hungerford, Berkshire. Reported 30th July. Map Ref: SU387722 http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=438700y=172280z=120sv=438700,17\ 2280st=4ar=ymapp=map.srfsearchp=ids.srfdn=645ax=438700ay=172280l\ m=0 This Page has been accessed [Hit Counter] Updated Tuesday 7th December 2010 http://www.7fires.net/ AERIAL SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010N/wickhamgreen2\ 010b.html GROUND SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010N/groundshots.h\ tml DIAGRAMS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010N/diagrams.html\ FIELD REPORTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010N/fieldreports.\ html COMMENTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010N/comments.html\ ARTICLES http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010N/articles.html\ 04/08/10 02/08/10 05/08/10 31/07/10 07/12/10 06/09/10 Could this be a Revelation? Well here is the coincidence. Young Madelien from the Netherlands takes her first flight in the UK to see the formation near Wickham on the south side of the M4 motorway and she discovers another sister circle to the north of the M4. Some are seeing a religious aspect to this formation that being animage of the head of Christ. There are also links being drawn to the image in the Turin shroud. Certainly this has been a genuine surprise to us all as we thought there was only one formation in the Wickham area that being on the south of the M4. A mystifying event indeed. Julian Gibsone (Director of the Crop Circle Connector's DVD's) http://www.cccvault.com/cccvideos/trailer09c.html http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=122251217802800v=wall Discuss this circle on Facebook CIRCLE CHASERS ON FACEBOOK http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=122251217802800v=wall http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/conduct.html Bottom One North of M4 Images Madelien Scholten Copyright 2010 http://www.cccvault.com/cccvideos/trailer2010a.html CLICK HERE FOR THE LATEST CROP CIRCLE CONNECTOR DVD http://www.cccvault.com/cccvideos/trailer2010a.html Images Frank Laumen Copyright 2010 http://www.thecropcircleshop.com/ Make a donation to keep the web site alive... Thank you http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/conduct.html http://www.sacredbritain.com/cropcircles.html Image Olivier Morel Copyright 2010 http://www.cropcircleconnectorforum.com/
[FairfieldLife] East Field, nr Alton Barnes, Wiltshire. Reported 29th July.
http://www.earthfiles.com/shop.php East Field, nr Alton Barnes, Wiltshire. Reported 29th July. Map Ref: This Page has been accessed [Hit Counter] Updated Wednesday 18th August 2010 http://www.7fires.net/ AERIAL SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/eastfield2/eastfield2010a.html GROUND SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/eastfield2/groundshots.html DIAGRAMS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/eastfield2/diagrams.html FIELD REPORTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/eastfield2/fieldreports.html COMMENTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/eastfield2/comments.html ARTICLES http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/eastfield2/articles.html 11/08/10 18/08/10 18/08/10 05/08/10 18/08/10 31/07/10 DAY 3 (03/08/2010) Images John Montgomery Copyright 2010 Image Olivier Morel Copyright 2010 Image Steve Alexander http://www.temporarytemples.co.uk/ Copyright 2010 Images Patrice MARTY Copyright 2010 Image Bert Janssen - http://www.CropCirclesandMore.com http://www.cropcirclesandmore.com/ Copyright 2010 DAY 2 (30/07/2010) Image Patrice MARTY Copyright 2010 DAY 1 (29/07/2010) THIS CROP PATTERN IS MAN-MADE Tim Carson the farmer at East Field has just stated that some one is placing FAKE donation boxes on his land. Warning to anyone giving a donation please only drop the money into the 45 galleon drums. Thank you. CCC More sad news coming in. Thieves are now breaking into peoples cars. Can you please look out for ' A black PATENT leather bag which has just been stolen from a car parked at East Field, any news please contact me or the police. Update on Stolen bag: Paperwork inside the bag has the name of Alison Duff. Please check hedgerows just in case it has been dumped. A. PyrkaJust saw your warning on CCC One of our group had a car broken into (smashed passenger window and tyre pierced) on Sat late afternoon (25/07) at the Savernake CC. A police lady arrived just after we returned to the cars and said that she was there to put up warning posters, as a car had been stolen from there earlier that day! We are easy targets, unfortunately, BUT we will still keep visiting!! Kindest regards and much appreciation for all the work that you do in promoting information re this amazing phenomena! Linda Images John Montgomery Copyright 2010 I can tell you apparently the circle makers were photographed from the hill and people from the hill went into the circle and chatted to the makers before they left the field. Such is life. It was also a lovely night but a bit on the cold side and many people were camped on the hills and night watching. So it was really likely any circle makers would be spotted. There was also two balls of light spotted by two gentlemen on the hill around the same. Julian Gibsone http://www.cccvault.com/cccvideos/trailer2010a.html CLICK HERE FOR THE LATEST CROP CIRCLE CONNECTOR DVD http://www.cccvault.com/cccvideos/trailer2010a.html Caution this donation box is fake just like the crop circle its in !!! Andrew Pyrka This is the real thing that Tim Carson is referring to. Andrew Pyrka http://www.thecropcircleshop.com/ Make a donation to keep the web site alive... Thank you http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/conduct.html http://www.sacredbritain.com/cropcircles.html Images Lucy Pringle http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/ Copyright 2010 http://www.cropcircleconnectorforum.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of psychological traits (was: ...if Maharishi was just a guy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Exactly. My point is that many here are WAY strung out on the pat answers they've been parroting for decades, and at this point cannot live without them. They react to those who suggest that the pat answers ARE drugs exactly the same way that junkies react to those might suggest that their neighborhood dealers are not nice guys who are merely filling a societal need. :-) I've got to say, this strikes me as a harsh assessment... I've got to say that I really don't care how it strikes you. :-) ...and I really don't recogize anyone who fits this description. I mean Nabby trots out the party line on regular basis and Shukra does it on occassion, but for those who regularly engage in discussion I don't see it. As you challenged me recently to give evidence of a statement I made, would you care to offer some evidence of this, your statement? One word: effortlessness. Think back to the interminable number of arguments here over whether TM was truly effortless, and the level of fanaticism and attachment brought to those arguments by those who believe it is. They continue to believe this *in spite of quotes from Maharishi* that it isn't effortless, merely minimal effort in the direction of no effort. Call that what you want. I call it addiction to dogma and to the pat answer sold to them in their youth, which they have never challenged. As I have often said here, and I was even quoted on a Buddhist group about whether or not meditation practice can be effortless: however much effort you put into it is more than is needed. There have been times when I started meditating without noticing and continued the process without noticing and ended up stopping only because I *HAD* noticed that I was thinking the mantra. was this effort or not? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: For me clear transcending is when I drop out of sight for seconds to hours, no mantra, no thought, no sense of having been asleep, no sense of waking up. I've transcended from seconds to almost a full 24 hours on the weekend. I have on occassion had a sizzle or crackle sensation when I transcended deeply, or when I seemed to go into the transcendent. Like something going into a deep fryer. Hmmm That doesn't sound like pure awareness to me, because both theory AND observation says that when you are on the inward stroke of attention, you don't notice that you are on inward stroke until your attention turns outward. a sizzle or crackle sensation is turning outward. No matter how you look at it, Transcending is nothing to get excited about... ;-) Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I am sorry that this is your impression. But you should consider that I said this to Lawson, and that he jumped on the thread as they were in the end of the message view, without really having the whole context of our discussion. I'm sorry to see that. I had thought you were one of the very few TM critics around here who had enough self- confidence not to need to engage in that kind of behavior when having discussions with TMers. Hopefully you're just having a bad day or two. Actually, while having very busy days indeed, I had extremely good days. The experiences I talked to you about, I had just now, and I contrasted them to what I knew from my TM years - many years. There is really a stark contrast - not just a gradual one. Not that one is just the magnification of what I thought of as transcendence before, it is totally different IME. That lets me evaluate my own past experiences in a different light. How can there be difference in nothing? If you are saying that your mind is less noisy now then it was then, that's ok, but my experience has been that the more silent I become, the more I realize that silence has always been there. How is it that you remember less silence now? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mini-Film Review: Never Let Me Go
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: Barry, I know I mentioned this once before, but there is a fabulous novel, Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell. It touches on some similar themes about the future, and people raised as workers in a society of the future. The stories in the novel range from 1850 to way in the future. So it is a combination of excellent writing, sci fi, stories about people. Try it when you have some time. I finally had time to look into this today, found the following review, and ordered it forthwith. http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2004/mar/06/fiction.asbyatt I love books that take chances with the writing, especially those that, Bard-like, interweave a number of seemingly unrelated stories, told in seemingly unrelated voices, and have everything come together at the end into one completely interrelated whole. Orhan Pamuk's My Name Is Red is like that. Each small chapter is told in the first person, but by a different person. Sometimes not even by a person. But it's all not only a continuing narrative, but a murder mystery...just one told by many different people, and from many different points of view. All become necessary before one can figure out whodunnit, and more important, why. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Name_Is_Red
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I am sorry that this is your impression. But you should consider that I said this to Lawson, and that he jumped on the thread as they were in the end of the message view, without really having the whole context of our discussion. I'm sorry to see that. I had thought you were one of the very few TM critics around here who had enough self- confidence not to need to engage in that kind of behavior when having discussions with TMers. Hopefully you're just having a bad day or two. Actually, while having very busy days indeed, I had extremely good days. The experiences I talked to you about, I had just now, and I contrasted them to what I knew from my TM years - many years. There is really a stark contrast - not just a gradual one. Not that one is just the magnification of what I thought of as transcendence before, it is totally different IME. That lets me evaluate my own past experiences in a different light. How can there be difference in nothing? It's not totally nothing, that would be nihilism. It is in fact the amount of awareness that is different. You have heard of flat transcendence and lively transcendence? If you are saying that your mind is less noisy now then it was then, that's ok, but my experience has been that the more silent I become, the more I realize that silence has always been there. I am not speaking of noisiness. In TM it was embedded in a cycle. and it was much shorter. I also did not call it PC per se, I was rather responding to Judy calling her experience transcending, and then going on to pick up her mantra. I had the same, just sit down and whoop!, but as I said, there is no way to pick up the mantra in that state, or even continue a cycle of meditation. Yet, there is subtle perception. I am aware, as I mentioned of the chakras. For example there is a strong pull from the Ajna, there is a fine current leading up to Sahasrara, and a subtle current from the heart. At the same time there is bliss and the feeling of a sublime beauty. Basically my position is that of an observer. I could stand up,and walk around, but I would have to force myself. On other occasions it just struck me out of the blue, while walking around in a city, in busy bazar-like lanes. How is it that you remember less silence now? It seems to me now, that the transcendence experience in TM was more partial, usually didn't last that long. Lawson
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: God and Gods of Hinduism
On Mar 3, 2011, at 7:44 PM, WillyTex wrote: do.rflex: God and Gods of Hinduism So, you're a big Swami Rama fan. LoL! So you don't know the difference between the Himalayan Institute and the Himalayan Academy, LOL! I bet you couldn't find Hawaii or Pennsylvania on a map either... Let's Give Texas Back to Mexico! We have it on no less an authority than Barbara Bush that students in Texas currently rank 47th in the nation in literacy, 49th in verbal SAT scores, and 46th in math scores. More than half of the Texas legislature—products of that prodigious educational system-- signed on to a bill to fix education in their state: The proposed law will allow students and faculty at Texas State Colleges and Universities to carry firearms. A wretched primary and secondary education will no longer stand in the students' way. They can now extort A's from their teachers with their handguns. Teachers, in their turn, can punish plagiarists by shooting them, or can wake up students by shooting a few rounds into the classroom ceiling. No doubt, before long, some enterprising digital entrepreneur will produce a smart phone that can shoot real bullets. Gun violence is big in Mexico. I think the Texans would be more comfortable as part of that country. Let's give Texas back. The Mexican-American war was a big mistake.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of psychological traits (was: ...if Maharishi was just a guy)
On Mar 4, 2011, at 6:16 AM, sparaig wrote: As I have often said here, and I was even quoted on a Buddhist group about whether or not meditation practice can be effortless: however much effort you put into it is more than is needed. There have been times when I started meditating without noticing and continued the process without noticing and ended up stopping only because I *HAD* noticed that I was thinking the mantra. was this effort or not? If it used a technique (Skt.: prayatna, technique = effort) or any kind of support (Skt.: Alambana), it had to, ipso facto. It's the nature of the AnavopAya.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I have on occassion had a sizzle or crackle sensation when I transcended deeply, or when I seemed to go into the transcendent. Like something going into a deep fryer. Hmmm That doesn't sound like pure awareness to me, because both theory AND observation says that when you are on the inward stroke of attention, you don't notice that you are on inward stroke until your attention turns outward. a sizzle or crackle sensation is turning outward. Well, you are probably right. If there had been a snap and a pop, then yes, I would say pure awareness had been achieved. But a crackle only, I think we are missing two essentials.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mini-Film Review: Never Let Me Go
Nice review of Cloud Atlas by AS Byatt. I will check out My Name is Red. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Barry, I know I mentioned this once before, but there is a fabulous novel, Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell. It touches on some similar themes about the future, and people raised as workers in a society of the future. The stories in the novel range from 1850 to way in the future. So it is a combination of excellent writing, sci fi, stories about people. Try it when you have some time. I finally had time to look into this today, found the following review, and ordered it forthwith. http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2004/mar/06/fiction.asbyatt I love books that take chances with the writing, especially those that, Bard-like, interweave a number of seemingly unrelated stories, told in seemingly unrelated voices, and have everything come together at the end into one completely interrelated whole. Orhan Pamuk's My Name Is Red is like that. Each small chapter is told in the first person, but by a different person. Sometimes not even by a person. But it's all not only a continuing narrative, but a murder mystery...just one told by many different people, and from many different points of view. All become necessary before one can figure out whodunnit, and more important, why. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Name_Is_Red
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I have on occassion had a sizzle or crackle sensation when I transcended deeply, or when I seemed to go into the transcendent. Like something going into a deep fryer. Hmmm That doesn't sound like pure awareness to me, because both theory AND observation says that when you are on the inward stroke of attention, you don't notice that you are on inward stroke until your attention turns outward. a sizzle or crackle sensation is turning outward. Well, you are probably right. If there had been a snap and a pop, then yes, I would say pure awareness had been achieved. But a crackle only, I think we are missing two essentials. FINALLY, some real spiritual insight being posted to FFL! After all these years of people just parroting the MMY and TMO Party Line, someone finally gets into the true esoteric nature of transcending. Not only are the sounds of snap, crackle and pop the key elements to tell you that you are transcending, they are the precursor to the next step *after* trans- cending, visions of the Three Gunas themselves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qON0XCz3_DE Yes, just with one whistle, you can summon Snap, Crackle, and Pop (the Three Gunas) and they can not only run every aspect of your lives by causing your actions, they can run your breakfast, too. Sadly, the esoteric knowledge of this advanced form of meditation has been lost over the ages, and few ever get to the point of even hazy transcendence, much less true KC (Krispie Consciousness). As a result, the Three Gunas have fallen on hard times, and these days are relegated to playing in Holiday Inns. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q91rnhteNN0 Don't settle for mere hazy transcendence and a mushy, soggy experience of the Absolute. Go for Krispie Consciousness today.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
On Mar 4, 2011, at 8:24 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Sadly, the esoteric knowledge of this advanced form of meditation has been lost over the ages, and few ever get to the point of even hazy transcendence, much less true KC (Krispie Consciousness). As a result, the Three Gunas have fallen on hard times, and these days are relegated to playing in Holiday Inns. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q91rnhteNN0 Don't settle for mere hazy transcendence and a mushy, soggy experience of the Absolute. Go for Krispie Consciousness today. We at the Council for the Restoration of the Purity of the Tradition have determined that there is a further abode beyond Krispy Consciousness: Marshmallow Krispy Consciousness (MKC). MKC is a state of consciousness which is inclusive of opposites, the divine crunchiness simultaneously culturing the chewey marshmallow-ananda bliss which is infinitely flexible yet maintains it's basic crunchy nature. As Rishi Kellogg said: Be without the snap, crackle and pop Oh Arjuna! Be not attached to the spoon of outcome! Transcend Ye the way of the galaxias, the transcendental milkiness! The Council for the Restoration of the Purity of the Tradition has restored this technique in an easy and very expensive form for a humanity on the brink of destruction, like a beaconlight in the breakfast of darkness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 8:24 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Sadly, the esoteric knowledge of this advanced form of meditation has been lost over the ages, and few ever get to the point of even hazy transcendence, much less true KC (Krispie Consciousness). As a result, the Three Gunas have fallen on hard times, and these days are relegated to playing in Holiday Inns. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q91rnhteNN0 Don't settle for mere hazy transcendence and a mushy, soggy experience of the Absolute. Go for Krispie Consciousness today. We at the Council for the Restoration of the Purity of the Tradition have determined that there is a further abode beyond Krispy Consciousness: Marshmallow Krispy Consciousness (MKC). MKC is a state of consciousness which is inclusive of opposites, the divine crunchiness simultaneously culturing the chewey marshmallow-ananda bliss which is infinitely flexible yet maintains it's basic crunchy nature. As Rishi Kellogg said: Be without the snap, crackle and pop Oh Arjuna! Be not attached to the spoon of outcome! Transcend Ye the way of the galaxias, the transcendental milkiness! The Council for the Restoration of the Purity of the Tradition has restored this technique in an easy and very expensive form for a humanity on the brink of destruction, like a beaconlight in the breakfast of darkness. And for that truly On The Program breakfast of champions: [496] http://www.colonialfootsoldier.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/476_slide\ 1.jpg [Breakfast Cereal] http://www.damnfunnypictures.com/funny-pictures/5328/breakfast-cereal/ [496] http://www.colonialfootsoldier.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/481_slide\ .jpg [496] http://www.colonialfootsoldier.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/492_slide\ .jpg http://www.colonialfootsoldier.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/482_slide\ .jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
In Kriya Yoga (and probably in TM too) complete absorption into Samadhi leaves the Body in a trance like state, completely still with no heart rate or breath and sustained by prana (life) itself. Great Yogis can stay in this period for great length of times, even MMY states in his transcription The Vedas that, ...the body, the mind, the entire functioning of the inner machinery, all metabolic rate *comes to zero*. MMY The Vedas I've heard that Yogananda's body was not showing signs of decay for some number of days after he died. Regarding MMY, Charlie Lutes said that on several occasions he watched over the body for three days while it was wrapped up like a mummy. This indicated that MMY was a real Yogi. Did MMY practice a lot of hatha yoga in his youth? He was never big on physical yoga was he? Did anyone here Charlie speak in the '90s? The last time I heard him was 1979. I don't know if there friendship continued into the '80s or 90s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
yifuxero: Chan meditation teacher Hsuan Hua (Pure Land School): So, you're saying that 'Chan' Master Hsuan Hua is teaching 'meditation' (chan)? http://www.longbeachmonastery.org/NEWVen24.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I have on occassion had a sizzle or crackle sensation when I transcended deeply, or when I seemed to go into the transcendent. Like something going into a deep fryer. Hmmm That doesn't sound like pure awareness to me, because both theory AND observation says that when you are on the inward stroke of attention, you don't notice that you are on inward stroke until your attention turns outward. a sizzle or crackle sensation is turning outward. Well, you are probably right. If there had been a snap and a pop, then yes, I would say pure awareness had been achieved. But a crackle only, I think we are missing two essentials. FINALLY, some real spiritual insight being posted to FFL! After all these years of people just parroting the MMY and TMO Party Line, someone finally gets into the true esoteric nature of transcending. Not only are the sounds of snap, crackle and pop the key elements to tell you that you are transcending, they are the precursor to the next step *after* trans- cending, visions of the Three Gunas themselves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qON0XCz3_DE Yes, just with one whistle, you can summon Snap, Crackle, and Pop (the Three Gunas) and they can not only run every aspect of your lives by causing your actions, they can run your breakfast, too. Sadly, the esoteric knowledge of this advanced form of meditation has been lost over the ages, and few ever get to the point of even hazy transcendence, much less true KC (Krispie Consciousness). As a result, the Three Gunas have fallen on hard times, and these days are relegated to playing in Holiday Inns. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q91rnhteNN0 Don't settle for mere hazy transcendence and a mushy, soggy experience of the Absolute. Go for Krispie Consciousness today. My question is, is there any nutritional value in snap crackle and pop or even krispie consciousness?Is it organic? Genetically modified in any way?
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On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Michael Flatley wrote: In Kriya Yoga (and probably in TM too) complete absorption into Samadhi leaves the Body in a trance like state, completely still with no heart rate or breath and sustained by prana (life) itself. Great Yogis can stay in this period for great length of times, even MMY states in his transcription The Vedas that, ...the body, the mind, the entire functioning of the inner machinery, all metabolic rate *comes to zero*. MMY The Vedas I've heard that Yogananda's body was not showing signs of decay for some number of days after he died. Regarding MMY, Charlie Lutes said that on several occasions he watched over the body for three days while it was wrapped up like a mummy. This indicated that MMY was a real Yogi. Did MMY practice a lot of hatha yoga in his youth? He was never big on physical yoga was he? MMY's yoga asanas were developed by a gym teacher. So his knowledge was borrowed from others. I've tried to verify the stories of MMY going into a continuum of silence, whilst wrapped, mummy-like, for days and found them to most likely be more made up stories by Charlie. According to a Shankaracharya who was also a disciple of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Mahesh had no instruction on yoga, so assuming the title of yogi was likely just another spurious claim.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Flatley untilbeyond@... wrote: Regarding MMY, Charlie Lutes said that on several occasions he watched over the body for three days while it was wrapped up like a mummy. This indicated that MMY was a real Yogi. Did MMY practice a lot of hatha yoga in his youth? He was never big on physical yoga was he? He may have been astral traveling or getting instructions (from the hierarchy). :-) Did anyone here Charlie speak in the '90s? The last time I heard him was 1979. I don't know if there friendship continued into the '80s or 90s. At some point Charlie was persona non-grata AND at some point Charlie said, MMY took a left turn (you can say that again).
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I have on occassion had a sizzle or crackle sensation when I transcended deeply, or when I seemed to go into the transcendent. Like something going into a deep fryer. Hmmm That doesn't sound like pure awareness to me, because both theory AND observation says that when you are on the inward stroke of attention, you don't notice that you are on inward stroke until your attention turns outward. a sizzle or crackle sensation is turning outward. Well, you are probably right. If there had been a snap and a pop, then yes, I would say pure awareness had been achieved. But a crackle only, I think we are missing two essentials. Now, did you notice some smoke? Smelling of sulfur ..?
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Is this another wiki-moment for you. I guess it would be asking too much to have them name their own Soto Zen or Dzogchen teachers... emptybill: So you are only accepting Soto teachers as valid proponents of Chan/Sön/Zen? That IS bullshit Willy! 'Soto Zen' is taught by Soto Zen Masters, Bill! Just for the record, Willy, my Chan/Sön/Zen teacher was Seung Sahn Soen-sa Zen Master Dogen got the Soto Zen practice from his teacher in China - Dogen was a master linguist and the author of 'Shobogenzo' in which he describes in detail the Soto Zen practice - sitting meditation. According to Shunryo Suzuki, a master in the Soto Zen sect, meditation is 'zazen', regular sitting, based on the teachings of Zen Master Dogen. It's just like TM practice, sitting meditation. Everyone who has practiced TM and Soto Zen knows this - it's pretty common knowledge without even going into linguistics. And yes, Willy I only read a little Sanskrit... Maybe so. According to Georg Feurerstein, the Buddha Shakya the Muni was the first historical yogin in India - Buddha taught meditation that was transcendental. Ken Wilber says that Zen practice is very similar to TM practice. Apparently Wilber's parents have started TM practice some time ago. Wilber ascribes to the 'two truths doctrine' of Nagarjuna. For Wilber no metaphysical doctrine or apparent reality is true in an absolute sense: only formless awareness, the simple feeling of being, exists absolutely. Read more: 'A Brief History of Everything' By Ken Wilber Shambhala, 2007 Page 42-3 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice' by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur Hohm Press, 2001
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Vaj: Maybe according the Maharishi...but M's teaching is actually divergent from Swami Brahmananda's teaching... According to Swami Svarupanand, SBS used to give bija mantras to meditate on, just like MMY did. All the Saraswati Sannyasins meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati just like lots of TMers do. SBS was a master meditator. It is incumbent on every dasanami swami to meditate at least twice every day. The TM bija mantras are enumerated in Saundaryalahari, which was composed by the Adi Shankara. There are fifteen bijas mentioned in Anandalahari, with a sixteenth, 'sri' which is used as fertilizer for the practice of meditation that is transcendental.
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translation: Vaj very much wants you to drop your interest in TM, and take up Vipasanna meditation. He spends hours each week, month after month, glorifying his little technique and trashing Maharishi and all things TM. In other words, he is no different from the Christian fundamentalist insisting that you accept Jesus as your savior vs. the Hindoo devils. In five years or so he hasn't changed anyone's mind, but his zeal remains undiminished - what a hoot. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Michael Flatley wrote: In Kriya Yoga (and probably in TM too) complete absorption into Samadhi leaves the Body in a trance like state, completely still with no heart rate or breath and sustained by prana (life) itself. Great Yogis can stay in this period for great length of times, even MMY states in his transcription The Vedas that, ...the body, the mind, the entire functioning of the inner machinery, all metabolic rate *comes to zero*. MMY The Vedas I've heard that Yogananda's body was not showing signs of decay for some number of days after he died. Regarding MMY, Charlie Lutes said that on several occasions he watched over the body for three days while it was wrapped up like a mummy. This indicated that MMY was a real Yogi. Did MMY practice a lot of hatha yoga in his youth? He was never big on physical yoga was he? MMY's yoga asanas were developed by a gym teacher. So his knowledge was borrowed from others. I've tried to verify the stories of MMY going into a continuum of silence, whilst wrapped, mummy-like, for days and found them to most likely be more made up stories by Charlie. According to a Shankaracharya who was also a disciple of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Mahesh had no instruction on yoga, so assuming the title of yogi was likely just another spurious claim.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
MMY's yoga asanas were developed by a gym teacher. Gym teachers make perfect yoga asana teachers. One of the most famous modern teachers of Hatha Yoga, Pattabhi Jois, was a school gym teacher. Pattabhi Jois was an Indian yoga teacher. He was a student of Tirumalai Krishnamacharya, and taught at his school, the Ashtanga Yoga Research Institute, in Mysore, India. He held a teaching position in yoga at the Sanskrit College... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattabhi_Jois
[FairfieldLife] Re: God and Gods of Hinduism
So, you're a big Swami Rama fan. LoL! So you don't know the difference between the Himalayan Institute and the Himalayan Academy... So, you're a fan of the Swami Rama - thought so. Let's Give Texas Back to Mexico! Maybe we should give 'Texas' back to the Tejas native inhabitants. Why give it back to Mexico?
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Trying to stay out of the shit of this one, but feeling the need to comment anyway, I will just say that I have not once seen Vaj try to push or sell any particular technique or tradition here. He has *discussed* many, and in my opinion often from the valuable point of view of someone who has Been There, Done That, not just Read About It And Consider Myself An Expert. But I honestly don't feel that he has ever pushed me in any way to either accept these techniques and traditions as genuine, or tempt me to join up. Ever. Similarly, I don't think I've ever tried to push anyone in the direction of any particular technique or tradition. I honestly don't have any to recommend; I've been out of the group spiritual scene for too long to know who I would recommend. I discuss some techniques and traditions I've been exposed to since TM, but I'm not selling them. There is literally nothing to sell; all of the teachers I have worked with closely are either dead or unavailable, no longer teaching publicly. And yet both Vaj and I have been accused repeatedly of being Buddhist evangelists, or whatever. Based on what he has said here, I'm not convinced that Vaj is or ever was a Buddhist, per se. I pretty sure his main path is not Vipassana; most of the techniques he talks about are more from Hindu traditions. And yet Jim -- and others here -- seem to be convinced that Vaj is trying to sell them something. Just to pose the question, could that possibly be because they lack the ability themselves to express an opinion without trying to *sell* it, to get people to agree with it, or sign up? I don't speak up for Vaj as much as I should. I consider him an interesting source of opinions on this forum. And yet Jimbo obviously feels somehow threatened by these opinions, as if he felt that someone expressing them was by definition an attempt to sell him something. He says, In five years or so he hasn't changed anyone's mind. Do you think it's ever occurred to Jim that no one was ever trying? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: translation: Vaj very much wants you to drop your interest in TM, and take up Vipasanna meditation. He spends hours each week, month after month, glorifying his little technique and trashing Maharishi and all things TM. In other words, he is no different from the Christian fundamentalist insisting that you accept Jesus as your savior vs. the Hindoo devils. In five years or so he hasn't changed anyone's mind, but his zeal remains undiminished - what a hoot. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
turquoiseb: Trying to stay out of the shit of this one, but feeling the need to comment anyway, I will just say that I have not once seen Vaj try to push or sell any particular technique or tradition here. Just today Vaj tried to sell us on the idea of giving Texas back to the drug cartels down in Mexico. If that's not a hairbrained idea I don't know what is! Why not give Texas back to the native inhabitants, the Tejas?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of psychological traits (was: ...if Maharishi was just a guy)
sparaig: There have been times when I started meditating without noticing and continued the process without noticing and ended up stopping only because I *HAD* noticed that I was thinking the mantra. was this effort or not? It takes no effort to transcend - effort implies concentration, which is not conducive to deep meditation. Applying the least effort leads to a spontaneous transcending. Concentration keeps one on the conscious thinking level and can inhibit transcending, according to SBS.
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whynotnow7: Vaj very much wants you to drop your interest in TM, and take up Vipasanna meditation... Vaj (vajradhatu) likes Chogyam Trungpa, the founder of Vajradhatu. Go figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajradhatu
[FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of psychological traits (was: ...if Maharishi was just a guy)
Kashmiri Shaivism, under Lakshmanjoo may have influenced MMY but this type of Shaivism is not definitional for the Kevala Advaita of Shankara's sampradaya. In fact these two traditions dispute each other in their definitions and claims about reality. If attention has an object (whether internal or external) it has an alambana. To be without an alambana is to be absent an object of attention; this is the definition of sleep in Patanjali YS 1.10 abhava pratyaya alambana tamo vritti nidra or a samadhi absorption (samaapati) in the idea of stopping, such as in YS 1.18 viraama-pratyaya abhyasaa . Talking anavopaya, shaktopaya, and shambhavopaya is only for someone interested in Trika and is irrelevant here on this forum. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 6:16 AM, sparaig wrote: As I have often said here, and I was even quoted on a Buddhist group about whether or not meditation practice can be effortless: however much effort you put into it is more than is needed. There have been times when I started meditating without noticing and continued the process without noticing and ended up stopping only because I *HAD* noticed that I was thinking the mantra. was this effort or not? If it used a technique (Skt.: prayatna, technique = effort) or any kind of support (Skt.: Alambana), it had to, ipso facto. It's the nature of the AnavopAya.
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On Mar 4, 2011, at 11:52 AM, WillyTex wrote: whynotnow7: Vaj very much wants you to drop your interest in TM, and take up Vipasanna meditation... Vaj (vajradhatu) likes Chogyam Trungpa, the founder of Vajradhatu. Go figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajradhatu I do like him very much. But that was as much a surprise to me as to anyone else. I am actually attending the Shambhala training with a friend and was surprised to find it to be the best meditation techniques that are widely available. This was all after I had chosen the screen name Willy. So it's just a coincidence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
According to a Shankaracharya who was also a disciple of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, No attribution of who/what/when/where makes this quote just another spurious claim. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Michael Flatley wrote: In Kriya Yoga (and probably in TM too) complete absorption into Samadhi leaves the Body in a trance like state, completely still with no heart rate or breath and sustained by prana (life) itself. Great Yogis can stay in this period for great length of times, even MMY states in his transcription The Vedas that, ...the body, the mind, the entire functioning of the inner machinery, all metabolic rate *comes to zero*. MMY The Vedas I've heard that Yogananda's body was not showing signs of decay for some number of days after he died. Regarding MMY, Charlie Lutes said that on several occasions he watched over the body for three days while it was wrapped up like a mummy. This indicated that MMY was a real Yogi. Did MMY practice a lot of hatha yoga in his youth? He was never big on physical yoga was he? MMY's yoga asanas were developed by a gym teacher. So his knowledge was borrowed from others. I've tried to verify the stories of MMY going into a continuum of silence, whilst wrapped, mummy-like, for days and found them to most likely be more made up stories by Charlie. According to a Shankaracharya who was also a disciple of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Mahesh had no instruction on yoga, so assuming the title of yogi was likely just another spurious claim.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
You are showing your ignorance Willy. Dogen's shikantaza is not the same as mo-chao. Either give it up or read and become educated. A good place to start might be: The Method of No-Method The Chan Practice of Silent Illumination by Chan Master Sheng Yen You are too uninformed about this to recognize that you don't understand what you are discussing. If you knew more, you would be embarrassed to say such things. Remember I practiced with a living Zen teacher. You practiced with a keyboard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: Is this another wiki-moment for you. I guess it would be asking too much to have them name their own Soto Zen or Dzogchen teachers... emptybill: So you are only accepting Soto teachers as valid proponents of Chan/Sön/Zen? That IS bullshit Willy! 'Soto Zen' is taught by Soto Zen Masters, Bill! Just for the record, Willy, my Chan/Sön/Zen teacher was Seung Sahn Soen-sa Zen Master Dogen got the Soto Zen practice from his teacher in China - Dogen was a master linguist and the author of 'Shobogenzo' in which he describes in detail the Soto Zen practice - sitting meditation. According to Shunryo Suzuki, a master in the Soto Zen sect, meditation is 'zazen', regular sitting, based on the teachings of Zen Master Dogen. It's just like TM practice, sitting meditation. Everyone who has practiced TM and Soto Zen knows this - it's pretty common knowledge without even going into linguistics. And yes, Willy I only read a little Sanskrit... Maybe so. According to Georg Feurerstein, the Buddha Shakya the Muni was the first historical yogin in India - Buddha taught meditation that was transcendental. Ken Wilber says that Zen practice is very similar to TM practice. Apparently Wilber's parents have started TM practice some time ago. Wilber ascribes to the 'two truths doctrine' of Nagarjuna. For Wilber no metaphysical doctrine or apparent reality is true in an absolute sense: only formless awareness, the simple feeling of being, exists absolutely. Read more: 'A Brief History of Everything' By Ken Wilber Shambhala, 2007 Page 42-3 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice' by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur Hohm Press, 2001
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Hey, quit trashing Hindoo devils. I've got one of my own. Them is kool. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: translation: Vaj very much wants you to drop your interest in TM, and take up Vipasanna meditation. He spends hours each week, month after month, glorifying his little technique and trashing Maharishi and all things TM. In other words, he is no different from the Christian fundamentalist insisting that you accept Jesus as your savior vs. the Hindoo devils. In five years or so he hasn't changed anyone's mind, but his zeal remains undiminished - what a hoot. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Michael Flatley wrote: In Kriya Yoga (and probably in TM too) complete absorption into Samadhi leaves the Body in a trance like state, completely still with no heart rate or breath and sustained by prana (life) itself. Great Yogis can stay in this period for great length of times, even MMY states in his transcription The Vedas that, ...the body, the mind, the entire functioning of the inner machinery, all metabolic rate *comes to zero*. MMY The Vedas I've heard that Yogananda's body was not showing signs of decay for some number of days after he died. Regarding MMY, Charlie Lutes said that on several occasions he watched over the body for three days while it was wrapped up like a mummy. This indicated that MMY was a real Yogi. Did MMY practice a lot of hatha yoga in his youth? He was never big on physical yoga was he? MMY's yoga asanas were developed by a gym teacher. So his knowledge was borrowed from others. I've tried to verify the stories of MMY going into a continuum of silence, whilst wrapped, mummy-like, for days and found them to most likely be more made up stories by Charlie. According to a Shankaracharya who was also a disciple of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Mahesh had no instruction on yoga, so assuming the title of yogi was likely just another spurious claim.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
OK dude - so you see things differently here. Is that really such a big deal? Vaj evangelizes Buddhist practice regularly, specifically Vipassana. He's taken a Buddhist name, for goodness sake, and you don't think he is a Buddhist...lol? He is also a one man disinformation campaign against all things TM. Does he have an agenda? You bet - he's like those dudes on bicycles with white shirts who come to your house to talk about Jesus. You actually think I try to sell my ideas on here? Hell Barry I don't care if you respond to me or not - first you said you don't read my messages, and now, each time prefaced by a statement about how this is against my better judgment (wtf?), you respond to me anyway. Makes no difference to me. I post a LOT less than you do here. I ain't selling anything. Are you? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Trying to stay out of the shit of this one, but feeling the need to comment anyway, I will just say that I have not once seen Vaj try to push or sell any particular technique or tradition here. He has *discussed* many, and in my opinion often from the valuable point of view of someone who has Been There, Done That, not just Read About It And Consider Myself An Expert. But I honestly don't feel that he has ever pushed me in any way to either accept these techniques and traditions as genuine, or tempt me to join up. Ever. Similarly, I don't think I've ever tried to push anyone in the direction of any particular technique or tradition. I honestly don't have any to recommend; I've been out of the group spiritual scene for too long to know who I would recommend. I discuss some techniques and traditions I've been exposed to since TM, but I'm not selling them. There is literally nothing to sell; all of the teachers I have worked with closely are either dead or unavailable, no longer teaching publicly. And yet both Vaj and I have been accused repeatedly of being Buddhist evangelists, or whatever. Based on what he has said here, I'm not convinced that Vaj is or ever was a Buddhist, per se. I pretty sure his main path is not Vipassana; most of the techniques he talks about are more from Hindu traditions. And yet Jim -- and others here -- seem to be convinced that Vaj is trying to sell them something. Just to pose the question, could that possibly be because they lack the ability themselves to express an opinion without trying to *sell* it, to get people to agree with it, or sign up? I don't speak up for Vaj as much as I should. I consider him an interesting source of opinions on this forum. And yet Jimbo obviously feels somehow threatened by these opinions, as if he felt that someone expressing them was by definition an attempt to sell him something. He says, In five years or so he hasn't changed anyone's mind. Do you think it's ever occurred to Jim that no one was ever trying? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: translation: Vaj very much wants you to drop your interest in TM, and take up Vipasanna meditation. He spends hours each week, month after month, glorifying his little technique and trashing Maharishi and all things TM. In other words, he is no different from the Christian fundamentalist insisting that you accept Jesus as your savior vs. the Hindoo devils. In five years or so he hasn't changed anyone's mind, but his zeal remains undiminished - what a hoot. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Barry is selling himself. It is all he's got. This is the only reason that he is here. But wait ... that can't be 'cause he doesn't have a self ... but wait ... he doesn't need a real one to sell himself. Please entertain him for a while more. That way the rest of us can discuss whatever. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: OK dude - so you see things differently here. Is that really such a big deal? Vaj evangelizes Buddhist practice regularly, specifically Vipassana. He's taken a Buddhist name, for goodness sake, and you don't think he is a Buddhist...lol? He is also a one man disinformation campaign against all things TM. Does he have an agenda? You bet - he's like those dudes on bicycles with white shirts who come to your house to talk about Jesus. You actually think I try to sell my ideas on here? Hell Barry I don't care if you respond to me or not - first you said you don't read my messages, and now, each time prefaced by a statement about how this is against my better judgment (wtf?), you respond to me anyway. Makes no difference to me. I post a LOT less than you do here. I ain't selling anything. Are you? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Trying to stay out of the shit of this one, but feeling the need to comment anyway, I will just say that I have not once seen Vaj try to push or sell any particular technique or tradition here. He has *discussed* many, and in my opinion often from the valuable point of view of someone who has Been There, Done That, not just Read About It And Consider Myself An Expert. But I honestly don't feel that he has ever pushed me in any way to either accept these techniques and traditions as genuine, or tempt me to join up. Ever. Similarly, I don't think I've ever tried to push anyone in the direction of any particular technique or tradition. I honestly don't have any to recommend; I've been out of the group spiritual scene for too long to know who I would recommend. I discuss some techniques and traditions I've been exposed to since TM, but I'm not selling them. There is literally nothing to sell; all of the teachers I have worked with closely are either dead or unavailable, no longer teaching publicly. And yet both Vaj and I have been accused repeatedly of being Buddhist evangelists, or whatever. Based on what he has said here, I'm not convinced that Vaj is or ever was a Buddhist, per se. I pretty sure his main path is not Vipassana; most of the techniques he talks about are more from Hindu traditions. And yet Jim -- and others here -- seem to be convinced that Vaj is trying to sell them something. Just to pose the question, could that possibly be because they lack the ability themselves to express an opinion without trying to *sell* it, to get people to agree with it, or sign up? I don't speak up for Vaj as much as I should. I consider him an interesting source of opinions on this forum. And yet Jimbo obviously feels somehow threatened by these opinions, as if he felt that someone expressing them was by definition an attempt to sell him something. He says, In five years or so he hasn't changed anyone's mind. Do you think it's ever occurred to Jim that no one was ever trying? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: translation: Vaj very much wants you to drop your interest in TM, and take up Vipasanna meditation. He spends hours each week, month after month, glorifying his little technique and trashing Maharishi and all things TM. In other words, he is no different from the Christian fundamentalist insisting that you accept Jesus as your savior vs. the Hindoo devils. In five years or so he hasn't changed anyone's mind, but his zeal remains undiminished - what a hoot. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
emptybill: You are showing your ignorance Willy. Shikentaza is Soto Zen meditation, which is very similar to TM practice. Shikantaza is a Japanese term for zazen and is associated most with the Soto school of Zen Buddhism - it is the basis of all Zen disciplines. According to Dogen Zenji, shikantaza is resting in a state of brightly alert attention that is free of thoughts, directed to no object, and attached to no particular content... Read more: Shikantaza: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikantaza
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
On Mar 4, 2011, at 11:21 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Trying to stay out of the shit of this one, but feeling the need to comment anyway, I will just say that I have not once seen Vaj try to push or sell any particular technique or tradition here. He has *discussed* many, and in my opinion often from the valuable point of view of someone who has Been There, Done That, not just Read About It And Consider Myself An Expert. But I honestly don't feel that he has ever pushed me in any way to either accept these techniques and traditions as genuine, or tempt me to join up. Ever. It's such a funny idea, it makes one want to fashion a Gideon's Dhammapada and head out into Jesusland (phurba in hand) and attempt to convert the ignorant masses of sleepers. Not. And apparently I'm now a vipassana practitioner. Huh. Why am I always the last to find these things out?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of psychological traits (was: ...if Maharishi was just a guy)
On Mar 4, 2011, at 12:12 PM, emptybill wrote: Kashmiri Shaivism, under Lakshmanjoo may have influenced MMY but this type of Shaivism is not definitional for the Kevala Advaita of Shankara's sampradaya. In fact these two traditions dispute each other in their definitions and claims about reality. But so do others paths described in Maharishi Vedic science. If attention has an object (whether internal or external) it has an alambana. To be without an alambana is to be absent an object of attention; this is the definition of sleep in Patanjali YS 1.10 abhava pratyaya alambana tamo vritti nidra or a samadhi absorption (samaapati) in the idea of stopping, such as in YS 1.18 viraama- pratyaya abhyasaa … . Talking anavopaya, shaktopaya, and shambhavopaya is only for someone interested in Trika and is irrelevant here on this forum. Because MMY insisted TM could best be understood by understanding some key KS scriptures on at least one TTC, they are not only relevant, but essential for truly understanding mantra mediation and the dawning of turiyatita (cosmic consciousness). Advaita Vedanta, I'd argue, isn't the best place to learn about specifics of mantra mediation IMO...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
wrt entertaining him, Turq has done a far better job than I ever could of attaching a bell to his tail so that he can chase himself around in circles. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Barry is selling himself. It is all he's got. This is the only reason that he is here. But wait ... that can't be 'cause he doesn't have a self ... but wait ... he doesn't need a real one to sell himself. Please entertain him for a while more. That way the rest of us can discuss whatever. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK dude - so you see things differently here. Is that really such a big deal? Vaj evangelizes Buddhist practice regularly, specifically Vipassana. He's taken a Buddhist name, for goodness sake, and you don't think he is a Buddhist...lol? He is also a one man disinformation campaign against all things TM. Does he have an agenda? You bet - he's like those dudes on bicycles with white shirts who come to your house to talk about Jesus. You actually think I try to sell my ideas on here? Hell Barry I don't care if you respond to me or not - first you said you don't read my messages, and now, each time prefaced by a statement about how this is against my better judgment (wtf?), you respond to me anyway. Makes no difference to me. I post a LOT less than you do here. I ain't selling anything. Are you? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Trying to stay out of the shit of this one, but feeling the need to comment anyway, I will just say that I have not once seen Vaj try to push or sell any particular technique or tradition here. He has *discussed* many, and in my opinion often from the valuable point of view of someone who has Been There, Done That, not just Read About It And Consider Myself An Expert. But I honestly don't feel that he has ever pushed me in any way to either accept these techniques and traditions as genuine, or tempt me to join up. Ever. Similarly, I don't think I've ever tried to push anyone in the direction of any particular technique or tradition. I honestly don't have any to recommend; I've been out of the group spiritual scene for too long to know who I would recommend. I discuss some techniques and traditions I've been exposed to since TM, but I'm not selling them. There is literally nothing to sell; all of the teachers I have worked with closely are either dead or unavailable, no longer teaching publicly. And yet both Vaj and I have been accused repeatedly of being Buddhist evangelists, or whatever. Based on what he has said here, I'm not convinced that Vaj is or ever was a Buddhist, per se. I pretty sure his main path is not Vipassana; most of the techniques he talks about are more from Hindu traditions. And yet Jim -- and others here -- seem to be convinced that Vaj is trying to sell them something. Just to pose the question, could that possibly be because they lack the ability themselves to express an opinion without trying to *sell* it, to get people to agree with it, or sign up? I don't speak up for Vaj as much as I should. I consider him an interesting source of opinions on this forum. And yet Jimbo obviously feels somehow threatened by these opinions, as if he felt that someone expressing them was by definition an attempt to sell him something. He says, In five years or so he hasn't changed anyone's mind. Do you think it's ever occurred to Jim that no one was ever trying? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: translation: Vaj very much wants you to drop your interest in TM, and take up Vipasanna meditation. He spends hours each week, month after month, glorifying his little technique and trashing Maharishi and all things TM. In other words, he is no different from the Christian fundamentalist insisting that you accept Jesus as your savior vs. the Hindoo devils. In five years or so he hasn't changed anyone's mind, but his zeal remains undiminished - what a hoot. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Wiki Willy Wanna
Willy ... is there anything left of you but Wiki? What is it about ... Remember I practiced with a living Zen teacher. You practiced with a keyboard. ... that you still don't understand? Better yet ... wiki yourself and see what you come up with. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: emptybill: You are showing your ignorance Willy. Shikentaza is Soto Zen meditation, which is very similar to TM practice. Shikantaza is a Japanese term for zazen and is associated most with the Soto school of Zen Buddhism - it is the basis of all Zen disciplines. According to Dogen Zenji, shikantaza is resting in a state of brightly alert attention that is free of thoughts, directed to no object, and attached to no particular content... Read more: Shikantaza: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikantaza
[FairfieldLife] Collective consciousness and meditation
Collective consciousness and meditation: Are we all interconnected by an underlying field? by Jeanne Ball Writer, David Lynch Foundation 25-Year Teacher of Transcendental Meditation The Huffington Post 3 March 2011 On 3 March 2011 The Huffington Post reported: Scientific research shows that group practice of the Transcendental Meditation Programme can create a powerful positive influence on the collective consciousness of society. It is a joy for Global Good News service to feature this news, which indicates the success of the life-supporting programmes Maharishi has designed to bring fulfilment to the field of world peace. 'The term ''collective consciousness'' has been used to refer to the overall social atmosphere that arises from the thought and behavior of all the individual members of a community or society,' the article states. A 'scientific understanding of how interconnected we all really are—with one another and the universe—is just now coming to light,' the article continues. The article quotes 'quantum physicist John Hagelin,* a forerunner in that exceedingly intricate, leading-edge area of science called ''unified field theory.'' ' 'What we've discovered at the foundation of the universe is a universal field where all the forces and particles of nature are united as one,' Dr Hagelin explains. 'They are ripples on a single ocean of existence.' 'Our minds profoundly mirror the hierarchical structure of nature,' Dr Hagelin continues in the article. 'We can dive within to deeper levels of mind, accessing more powerful levels of thought and ultimately the unified field itself, the most powerful, limitless, universal level of our own consciousness.' Meditation can be a 'technology for peace and social change,' the article states. There are 'numerous studies on the Transcendental Meditation technique that measure, using advanced statistical analysis, the power of group meditation to change the social climate.' As Dr Hagelin goes on to explain, '. . . when unity is enlivened in the individual, unity is enlivened everywhere. This is a field effect of consciousness.' 'Meditation is a means for each of us to make a powerful, personal contribution to the collective peace and coherence,' the article concludes, 'strengthening life in the way that's needed most—from within.' © Copyright 2011 Global Good News®
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Vaj (vajradhatu) likes Chogyam Trungpa, the founder of Vajradhatu... Vaj: I do like him very much... Me too. Hey, we are both on the same path! Trungpa's meditation practice is very similar to TM meditation practice and to Suzuki's Soto zazen practice. Having been trained in all three, I can say that they are all simply basic forms of meditation. I've tried TM at Los Angeles with MMY in 1964, Zen meditation at the San Francisco Zen Center with Suzuki, and I spent over a year with Trungpa at Boulder, CO. Trungpa was very fond of Suzuki and the influence of Soto Zen practices are very evident in Trungpa's instructions. Almost all meditation practices in Tibet came from China via the Chan sect founded by Bodhidharma, who migrated from India and founded the Chinese meditation school. Meditation was the basis for the historical Buddha's own enlightenment experience, according to the Buddha Shakya the Muni himself. Chogyam Trungpa visited Austin, Texas on two occasions, at which time Trungpa founded the local Shamballa Training Center. That's me in the third row. Read more: Inside the Shamballah Meditation Center: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/tibet.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of psychological traits (was: ...if Maharishi was just a guy)
On 03/04/2011 10:26 AM, Vaj wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 12:12 PM, emptybill wrote: Kashmiri Shaivism, under Lakshmanjoo may have influenced MMY but this type of Shaivism is not definitional for the Kevala Advaita of Shankara's sampradaya. In fact these two traditions dispute each other in their definitions and claims about reality. But so do others paths described in Maharishi Vedic science. If attention has an object (whether internal or external) it has an alambana. To be without an alambana is to be absent an object of attention; this is the definition of sleep in Patanjali YS 1.10 abhava pratyaya alambana tamo vritti nidra or a samadhi absorption (samaapati) in the idea of stopping, such as in YS 1.18 viraama-pratyaya abhyasaa … . Talking anavopaya, shaktopaya, and shambhavopaya is only for someone interested in Trika and is irrelevant here on this forum. Because MMY insisted TM could best be understood by understanding some key KS scriptures on at least one TTC, they are not only relevant, but essential for truly understanding mantra mediation and the dawning of turiyatita (cosmic consciousness). Advaita Vedanta, I'd argue, isn't the best place to learn about specifics of mantra mediation IMO... Yes and people want to make meditation an overly complicated thing. It doesn't have to be. BTW, given the propensity for westerners to have pitta dominant constitution practices that teach Shiva mantras may be good for them as opposed to those that use goddess mantras which may aggravate pitta. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wiki Willy Wanna
emptybill: Better yet ... wiki yourself and see what you come up with. You can read my comments on Wiki at the Transcendental Meditation entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Cheatsheet You can also Google Willytex! So, far I've posted over 8,000 entries to Usenet. Enjoy! A preliminary, annotated hagiography of past gleaning positioning endeavors, with some appended statements: The Confessions of a Taco Eater' http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of psychological traits (was: ...if Maharishi was just a guy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 6:16 AM, sparaig wrote: As I have often said here, and I was even quoted on a Buddhist group about whether or not meditation practice can be effortless: however much effort you put into it is more than is needed. There have been times when I started meditating without noticing and continued the process without noticing and ended up stopping only because I *HAD* noticed that I was thinking the mantra. was this effort or not? If it used a technique (Skt.: prayatna, technique = effort) or any kind of support (Skt.: Alambana), it had to, ipso facto. It's the nature of the AnavopAya. Where did I mention technique? YOu seem obsessed. Are you aware of this? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
For heaven's sake. How do you know that they are chakkras? How do you discriminate at all if you are in PC? SIghs and shakes head. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I am sorry that this is your impression. But you should consider that I said this to Lawson, and that he jumped on the thread as they were in the end of the message view, without really having the whole context of our discussion. I'm sorry to see that. I had thought you were one of the very few TM critics around here who had enough self- confidence not to need to engage in that kind of behavior when having discussions with TMers. Hopefully you're just having a bad day or two. Actually, while having very busy days indeed, I had extremely good days. The experiences I talked to you about, I had just now, and I contrasted them to what I knew from my TM years - many years. There is really a stark contrast - not just a gradual one. Not that one is just the magnification of what I thought of as transcendence before, it is totally different IME. That lets me evaluate my own past experiences in a different light. How can there be difference in nothing? It's not totally nothing, that would be nihilism. It is in fact the amount of awareness that is different. You have heard of flat transcendence and lively transcendence? If you are saying that your mind is less noisy now then it was then, that's ok, but my experience has been that the more silent I become, the more I realize that silence has always been there. I am not speaking of noisiness. In TM it was embedded in a cycle. and it was much shorter. I also did not call it PC per se, I was rather responding to Judy calling her experience transcending, and then going on to pick up her mantra. I had the same, just sit down and whoop!, but as I said, there is no way to pick up the mantra in that state, or even continue a cycle of meditation. Yet, there is subtle perception. I am aware, as I mentioned of the chakras. For example there is a strong pull from the Ajna, there is a fine current leading up to Sahasrara, and a subtle current from the heart. At the same time there is bliss and the feeling of a sublime beauty. Basically my position is that of an observer. I could stand up,and walk around, but I would have to force myself. On other occasions it just struck me out of the blue, while walking around in a city, in busy bazar-like lanes. How is it that you remember less silence now? It seems to me now, that the transcendence experience in TM was more partial, usually didn't last that long. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I have on occassion had a sizzle or crackle sensation when I transcended deeply, or when I seemed to go into the transcendent. Like something going into a deep fryer. Hmmm That doesn't sound like pure awareness to me, because both theory AND observation says that when you are on the inward stroke of attention, you don't notice that you are on inward stroke until your attention turns outward. a sizzle or crackle sensation is turning outward. Well, you are probably right. If there had been a snap and a pop, then yes, I would say pure awareness had been achieved. But a crackle only, I think we are missing two essentials. Ah well, thanks for being. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of psychological traits (was: ...if Maharishi was just a guy)
Advaita Vedanta, I'd argue, isn't the best place to learn about specifics of mantra mediation IMO... Bhairitu: Yes and people want to make meditation an overly complicated thing... According to John Hughes, a TM Meditator (TTC 1968), Kashmir Tantracism agrees with many of Maharishi's teachings concerning meditation, bija mantras, and siddha yoga. There are many affinities with the description of the yoga philosophy given by Maharishi. According to Laksmanjoo, Kasmir Saivism is founded on the principle of activity alternating with rest (pralaya). Centering - An excerpt from the Bhairava Tantra, translated by Swami by Laksmanjoo: 7. Devi, imagine the Sanskrit letters in these honey-filled foci of awareness, first as letters, then more subtly as sounds, then as most subtle feeling. Then, leaving them aside, be free. 14. Bathe in the center of sound, as in the continuous sound of a waterfall. Or, by putting fingers in ears, hear the sound of sounds. 19. Intone a sound audibly, then less and less audible as feeling deepens into this silent harmony. Read more: 'Centering: The Supreme Awakening' http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/centering.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Barry has an agenda? What might that agenda be? What's mine? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: OK dude - so you see things differently here. Is that really such a big deal? Vaj evangelizes Buddhist practice regularly, specifically Vipassana. He's taken a Buddhist name, for goodness sake, and you don't think he is a Buddhist...lol? He is also a one man disinformation campaign against all things TM. Does he have an agenda? You bet - he's like those dudes on bicycles with white shirts who come to your house to talk about Jesus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Barry has an agenda? What might that agenda be? What's mine? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: OK dude - so you see things differently here. Is that really such a big deal? Vaj evangelizes Buddhist practice regularly, specifically Vipassana. He's taken a Buddhist name, for goodness sake, and you don't think he is a Buddhist...lol? He is also a one man disinformation campaign against all things TM. Does he have an agenda? You bet - he's like those dudes on bicycles with white shirts who come to your house to talk about Jesus.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mini-Film Review: Never Let Me Go
On 03/03/2011 09:53 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: I haven't seen the movie yet but films that take place in dystopian society arouse my interest because they reflect the direction our society is going. In fact one idea I had for a TV series takes place in a community post economic collapse where life is simpler and much slower. The idea was to sell that we would lose our affluence but regain our humanity. Of course a preachy version would not be of much interest to the public so instead to tell human stories against the background of that community. And of course human stories emphasize the humanity angle. Sounds like the concept this book/film is based on (but then I haven't seen it yet). I'll comment -- with spoilers this time -- because Jimbo's question/putdown is just too naive to let pass. I am told that in the original novel the gotcha of this seemingly utopian English school is not revealed until halfway through the book. In the film it's kinda obvious to the discerning viewer early on, so I don't think I'm spoiling anything for anyone. The kids being raised in this seemingly-progressive school are being raised as transplant livestock. Their fate was sealed the moment whatever circumstances placed them in the school. They are raised, fed well, and kept healthy so that at a certain point when one of the rich people who are paying for all of this need a transplant, the Donors supply them. The reality of this is that after 3 or 4 such donations, the Donors die. While the rich live. Why be interested in such dystopian visions? Because this is already happening on planet Earth. Poor people in Asia are being suckered into selling one of their organs for peanuts, and many die afterwards when either one of their remaining organs fails, or during the surgery itself. I know of no instances in which kids are raised as donors from birth, but given the sense of entitlement with which the rich feel that they deserve a replacement organ when they need one, I would not be surprised if it has happened. The kids who grow into adulthood in this film live on made- up stories about how noble their lives are, and on equally made-up escape clauses, such as If two donors fall in love, they are given a deferrment and not forced to donate. In other words, they live on dreams of a utopia *that does not exist*. Those who passively accept their fate call the inevitable moment when they have been used up and die from all the surgeries completion, and look on it as a Good Thing. It seems that Jimbo identifies with them. I'm pretty sure that there are a few dome-goers in Fairfield who honestly believe that the world is at peace because of their butt-bouncing, and that all crime has been eradicated. They have chosen heaven on earth, even though it does not exist, and reality for much of the world's population is still hell. Jimbo seems to think that this is a Good Thing. Me, given a choice between reality and a pretty story of the way life would be if it weren't so...uh...not like that, I'm gonnna go with reality every time. I liked the film and feel it has an even more deeper theme than just the organ transplants. It's also a theme about human worth in an increasingly over populated world making it a film about a bleak future period. As for transplants, consider this scenario: 1) The dollar crashes and you can't pay your mortgage or what debts you have. 2) You are arrested and told you're debts will be squared if you give up one of your organs. 3) Would you do that or would you become a new kind of Dexter? I would recommend the latter (car keys have more uses than just starting your car).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
emptybill said: far seeing Wiki rishi-s Brilliant. A b s o l u t e l y Brilliant. And really funny. (deep bow) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Stay enraged Willy! It makes your comments more amusing. So you are only accepting Soto teachers as valid proponents of Chan/Sön/Zen? That IS bullshit Willy! Just for the record, Willy, my Chan/Sön/Zen teacher was Seung Sahn Soen-sa, back in the mid-1980's. He died in 2004. The most important influences from Chan/Sön/Zen on me are Zong-Mi (Hwa-Yen and Chan) and Chinul's tradition of Sudden Awakening/Gradual Practice. My teacher of Mahayana/Tantra/Dzogchen is Younge Khachab Rinpoche, (both a Khenpo and Geche) with whom I am currently studying Vajrayana and Dzogchen (in particular). This summer we studied the first three of the nine Tögal lamps that were enumerated in detail by Vimalamitra. Here at mudville he is extensively teaching the four samaya-s of Dzogchen via Longchenpa-s classic text, The Precious Treasury of the Way of Abiding. Recently he empowered me to practice one of Longchen's Ekajati sadhana-s. And yes, I'm quite happy to call her She if it makes you feel better Willy. Funny though he never mentioned your name when talking Kadak or Lhundrub. Must have been his oversight. And yes, Willy I only read a little Sanskrit and mostly depend upon fine word for word translations of scholars like Georg Feurerstein for Sanskrit/English and Khachab Rinpoche for Tibetan/English. That probably renders me incompetent to talk about this stuff with such far seeing Wiki rishi-s such as yourself doesn't it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: emptybill: Is this another wiki-moment for you. Well, I guess we know who the Sanskrit readers are in this group, and it appears that Vaj and Bill are not, and they seem to know even less about the history of South Asia. Go figure. You'd think that by now they would have at least read a Sanskrit primer. I guess it would be asking too much to have them name their own Soto Zen or Dzogchen teachers. LoL! Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: 1. dhyAna n. meditation, thought, reflection, (esp.) profound and abstract religious meditation... http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Barry has an agenda? What might that agenda be? What's mine? No clue - didn't say it. Do you have one too? Was writing about Vaj. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: Barry has an agenda? What might that agenda be? What's mine? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK dude - so you see things differently here. Is that really such a big deal? Vaj evangelizes Buddhist practice regularly, specifically Vipassana. He's taken a Buddhist name, for goodness sake, and you don't think he is a Buddhist...lol? He is also a one man disinformation campaign against all things TM. Does he have an agenda? You bet - he's like those dudes on bicycles with white shirts who come to your house to talk about Jesus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
So we should hold you up as an example of what it is to be a TM enlightened guy? Interesting. You do still claim to have attained the loftiest of states? What level? CC? GC? UC? BC? BMFOC? ;-) Please, share. I, personally, like Joe, still enjoy my TM practice, though rarely 2x daily and TMSP...well, not so much. Taking formal Mindfullness/Vipasanna instruction was one of the best things I have ever done. Not at all what I thought it would be. Eyes open. Eyes closed. Only four postures appropriate for meditation. Laying down. Sitting. Standing. Walking. Did I miss anything? lol Sorry WillyTex, crouched over a prairie-dog with needful thoughts is sooo inappropriate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: translation: Vaj very much wants you to drop your interest in TM, and take up Vipasanna meditation. He spends hours each week, month after month, glorifying his little technique and trashing Maharishi and all things TM. In other words, he is no different from the Christian fundamentalist insisting that you accept Jesus as your savior vs. the Hindoo devils. In five years or so he hasn't changed anyone's mind, but his zeal remains undiminished - what a hoot. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Michael Flatley wrote: In Kriya Yoga (and probably in TM too) complete absorption into Samadhi leaves the Body in a trance like state, completely still with no heart rate or breath and sustained by prana (life) itself. Great Yogis can stay in this period for great length of times, even MMY states in his transcription The Vedas that, ...the body, the mind, the entire functioning of the inner machinery, all metabolic rate *comes to zero*. MMY The Vedas I've heard that Yogananda's body was not showing signs of decay for some number of days after he died. Regarding MMY, Charlie Lutes said that on several occasions he watched over the body for three days while it was wrapped up like a mummy. This indicated that MMY was a real Yogi. Did MMY practice a lot of hatha yoga in his youth? He was never big on physical yoga was he? MMY's yoga asanas were developed by a gym teacher. So his knowledge was borrowed from others. I've tried to verify the stories of MMY going into a continuum of silence, whilst wrapped, mummy-like, for days and found them to most likely be more made up stories by Charlie. According to a Shankaracharya who was also a disciple of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Mahesh had no instruction on yoga, so assuming the title of yogi was likely just another spurious claim.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
On Mar 4, 2011, at 2:53 PM, sparaig wrote: For heaven's sake. How do you know that they are chakkras? How do you discriminate at all if you are in PC? SIghs and shakes head. I believe that's why he's asking if: You have heard of flat transcendence and lively transcendence?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of psychological traits (was: ...if Maharishi was just a guy)
On Mar 4, 2011, at 2:52 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 6:16 AM, sparaig wrote: As I have often said here, and I was even quoted on a Buddhist group about whether or not meditation practice can be effortless: however much effort you put into it is more than is needed. There have been times when I started meditating without noticing and continued the process without noticing and ended up stopping only because I *HAD* noticed that I was thinking the mantra. was this effort or not? If it used a technique (Skt.: prayatna, technique = effort) or any kind of support (Skt.: Alambana), it had to, ipso facto. It's the nature of the AnavopAya. Where did I mention technique? You did not. That's why I said If it used a technique. YOu seem obsessed. Are you aware of this? Maybe you're projecting your own obsession onto my consistency? For me it's simply something tried and tested. And good, clear teachers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of psychological traits (was: ...if Maharishi was just a guy)
On 03/04/2011 12:07 PM, WillyTex wrote: Advaita Vedanta, I'd argue, isn't the best place to learn about specifics of mantra mediation IMO... Bhairitu: Yes and people want to make meditation an overly complicated thing... According to John Hughes, a TM Meditator (TTC 1968), Kashmir Tantracism agrees with many of Maharishi's teachings concerning meditation, bija mantras, and siddha yoga. There are many affinities with the description of the yoga philosophy given by Maharishi. According to Laksmanjoo, Kasmir Saivism is founded on the principle of activity alternating with rest (pralaya). Centering - An excerpt from the Bhairava Tantra, translated by Swami by Laksmanjoo: 7. Devi, imagine the Sanskrit letters in these honey-filled foci of awareness, first as letters, then more subtly as sounds, then as most subtle feeling. Then, leaving them aside, be free. 14. Bathe in the center of sound, as in the continuous sound of a waterfall. Or, by putting fingers in ears, hear the sound of sounds. 19. Intone a sound audibly, then less and less audible as feeling deepens into this silent harmony. Read more: 'Centering: The Supreme Awakening' http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/centering.htm FYI, Willy, many archaryas invent up mediation techniques. There are simple mantra shastra rules to follow when doing though. They make them up because changes in society demand different methods of teaching.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mini-Film Review: Never Let Me Go
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I liked the film and feel it has an even more deeper theme than just the organ transplants. Exactly. It's a human story set against the backdrop of an inhuman era. The contrast is what makes it interesting. I watched another such movie tonight, the not-sufficiently-regarded 2001 Tony Scott film Spy Game. Like the best TV works of David Milch (Deadwoood, John From Cincinnati), it's a drama about people whose talk doth not always match their walk. And I mean that in a positive way. There are some professions (like being a spy) in which one must say one thing and do another. There are some lifetimes in which sentient beings of any profession have to do the same thing. Analyzing such hypocrisy, who is to be valued? The person who claims to have no residual human compassion and feelings about their fellow man, and means it, or the person who says this stuff, but when the chips are down and his hand has been called, shows what he really meant? Your call. I'm gonna go with the person whose walk most closely matches my percep- tion of dharma, or right action, not with the person whose walk most closely resembles his talk. The talk means nothing. The walk says it all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
azgrey: Sorry WillyTex, crouched over a prairie-dog with needful thoughts is sooo inappropriate. You are not making much sense. There are no prairie-dogs in San Antonio and no prairies either. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of psychological traits (was: ...if Maharishi was just a guy)
Bhairitu: ...many archaryas invent up mediation techniques. So, you're thinking that Vasagupta invented the Bhairava Tantra? Go figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasugupta 7. Devi, imagine the Sanskrit letters in these honey-filled foci of awareness, first as letters, then more subtly as sounds, then as most subtle feeling. Then, leaving them aside, be free. 14. Bathe in the center of sound, as in the continuous sound of a waterfall. Or, by putting fingers in ears, hear the sound of sounds. 19. Intone a sound audibly, then less and less audible as feeling deepens into this silent harmony. Read more: 'Centering: The Supreme Awakening' http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/centering.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Yes, please hold me up as an example of a TM enlightened guy - the benefits to both of us will be incalculable. I can hardly wait - lol! Are you doing it yet?? Am I higher than you, yet? Does it go something like, TC - standing on a shoebox, CC - piggyback ride, GC - sitting on your shoulders, UC - standing on your shoulders?? A veritable Cirque du Soliel of consciousness! :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: So we should hold you up as an example of what it is to be a TM enlightened guy? Interesting. You do still claim to have attained the loftiest of states? What level? CC? GC? UC? BC? BMFOC? ;-) Please, share. I, personally, like Joe, still enjoy my TM practice, though rarely 2x daily and TMSP...well, not so much. Taking formal Mindfullness/Vipasanna instruction was one of the best things I have ever done. Not at all what I thought it would be. Eyes open. Eyes closed. Only four postures appropriate for meditation. Laying down. Sitting. Standing. Walking. Did I miss anything? lol Sorry WillyTex, crouched over a prairie-dog with needful thoughts is sooo inappropriate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: translation: Vaj very much wants you to drop your interest in TM, and take up Vipasanna meditation. He spends hours each week, month after month, glorifying his little technique and trashing Maharishi and all things TM. In other words, he is no different from the Christian fundamentalist insisting that you accept Jesus as your savior vs. the Hindoo devils. In five years or so he hasn't changed anyone's mind, but his zeal remains undiminished - what a hoot. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Michael Flatley wrote: In Kriya Yoga (and probably in TM too) complete absorption into Samadhi leaves the Body in a trance like state, completely still with no heart rate or breath and sustained by prana (life) itself. Great Yogis can stay in this period for great length of times, even MMY states in his transcription The Vedas that, ...the body, the mind, the entire functioning of the inner machinery, all metabolic rate *comes to zero*. MMY The Vedas I've heard that Yogananda's body was not showing signs of decay for some number of days after he died. Regarding MMY, Charlie Lutes said that on several occasions he watched over the body for three days while it was wrapped up like a mummy. This indicated that MMY was a real Yogi. Did MMY practice a lot of hatha yoga in his youth? He was never big on physical yoga was he? MMY's yoga asanas were developed by a gym teacher. So his knowledge was borrowed from others. I've tried to verify the stories of MMY going into a continuum of silence, whilst wrapped, mummy-like, for days and found them to most likely be more made up stories by Charlie. According to a Shankaracharya who was also a disciple of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Mahesh had no instruction on yoga, so assuming the title of yogi was likely just another spurious claim.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Joe: Barry has an agenda? What might that agenda be? To sell TV series like 'Deadwood'? What's mine? To sell crappy paperback books?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Trying to stay out of the shit of this one, but feeling the need to comment anyway, I will just say that I have not once seen Vaj try to push or sell any particular technique or tradition here... And apparently I'm now a vipassana practitioner. Huh. Why am I always the last to find these things out? Because you were practicing 'vipassana' BEFORE you were not practicing TM? Vipassana has a proven track record of leading to enlightenment, which of course TM does not. Huge difference... Subject: Re: Meditation associated with structural changes in brain Author: Vaj Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: November 17, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/6kz6ogq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of psychological traits (was: ...if Maharishi was just a guy)
On 03/04/2011 02:03 PM, WillyTex wrote: Bhairitu: ...many archaryas invent up mediation techniques. So, you're thinking that Vasagupta invented the Bhairava Tantra? Go figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasugupta You believe he cognized it? :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
On Mar 4, 2011, at 2:23 PM, WillyTex wrote: Vaj (vajradhatu) likes Chogyam Trungpa, the founder of Vajradhatu... Vaj: I do like him very much... Me too. Hey, we are both on the same path! Trungpa's meditation practice is very similar to TM meditation practice and to Suzuki's Soto zazen practice. Having been trained in all three, I can say that they are all simply basic forms of meditation. Well I disagree that 5-fold Shambhala Training is like TM, although as with many meditation forms, there are similarities. They were very nice to just share the five-leveled practices right up front, which I appreciated them being so kindly forthright. Recently his son is doing his dad's dark retreat practices at a beyul (a hidden valley) his father discovered (and then later purchased) on the remote northern side of Cape Breton, NS. More recently they began teaching the experienced students into the same practices -- all translated into perfect, modern English. Honestly, I never knew the man was a terton. His students were all very socially engaged in numerous divergent areas. All impressive in and of themselves. Screen goddess Ellen (Juno) Page is actually a Shambhala High School (NS) 2005 grad..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Oh wow !!! Jim's locking horns with the holy FFL neo-advaita trinity of Turq, Vaj and Joe. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: translation: Vaj very much wants you to drop your interest in TM, and take up Vipasanna meditation. He spends hours each week, month after month, glorifying his little technique and trashing Maharishi and all things TM. In other words, he is no different from the Christian fundamentalist insisting that you accept Jesus as your savior vs. the Hindoo devils. In five years or so he hasn't changed anyone's mind, but his zeal remains undiminished - what a hoot. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Michael Flatley wrote: In Kriya Yoga (and probably in TM too) complete absorption into Samadhi leaves the Body in a trance like state, completely still with no heart rate or breath and sustained by prana (life) itself. Great Yogis can stay in this period for great length of times, even MMY states in his transcription The Vedas that, ...the body, the mind, the entire functioning of the inner machinery, all metabolic rate *comes to zero*. MMY The Vedas I've heard that Yogananda's body was not showing signs of decay for some number of days after he died. Regarding MMY, Charlie Lutes said that on several occasions he watched over the body for three days while it was wrapped up like a mummy. This indicated that MMY was a real Yogi. Did MMY practice a lot of hatha yoga in his youth? He was never big on physical yoga was he? MMY's yoga asanas were developed by a gym teacher. So his knowledge was borrowed from others. I've tried to verify the stories of MMY going into a continuum of silence, whilst wrapped, mummy-like, for days and found them to most likely be more made up stories by Charlie. According to a Shankaracharya who was also a disciple of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Mahesh had no instruction on yoga, so assuming the title of yogi was likely just another spurious claim.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Yep, while the wiki rishi-s have the highest state and know everything, the almost highest rishi-s can see but cannot describe. That's because they still have the remainders of flatuscendence in their meditations. Other than that everyone's kool. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: emptybill said: far seeing Wiki rishi-s Brilliant. A b s o l u t e l y Brilliant. And really funny. (deep bow) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Stay enraged Willy! It makes your comments more amusing. So you are only accepting Soto teachers as valid proponents of Chan/Sön/Zen? That IS bullshit Willy! Just for the record, Willy, my Chan/Sön/Zen teacher was Seung Sahn Soen-sa, back in the mid-1980's. He died in 2004. The most important influences from Chan/Sön/Zen on me are Zong-Mi (Hwa-Yen and Chan) and Chinul's tradition of Sudden Awakening/Gradual Practice. My teacher of Mahayana/Tantra/Dzogchen is Younge Khachab Rinpoche, (both a Khenpo and Geche) with whom I am currently studying Vajrayana and Dzogchen (in particular). This summer we studied the first three of the nine Tögal lamps that were enumerated in detail by Vimalamitra. Here at mudville he is extensively teaching the four samaya-s of Dzogchen via Longchenpa-s classic text, The Precious Treasury of the Way of Abiding. Recently he empowered me to practice one of Longchen's Ekajati sadhana-s. And yes, I'm quite happy to call her She if it makes you feel better Willy. Funny though he never mentioned your name when talking Kadak or Lhundrub. Must have been his oversight. And yes, Willy I only read a little Sanskrit and mostly depend upon fine word for word translations of scholars like Georg Feurerstein for Sanskrit/English and Khachab Rinpoche for Tibetan/English. That probably renders me incompetent to talk about this stuff with such far seeing Wiki rishi-s such as yourself doesn't it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: emptybill: Is this another wiki-moment for you. Well, I guess we know who the Sanskrit readers are in this group, and it appears that Vaj and Bill are not, and they seem to know even less about the history of South Asia. Go figure. You'd think that by now they would have at least read a Sanskrit primer. I guess it would be asking too much to have them name their own Soto Zen or Dzogchen teachers. LoL! Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: 1. dhyAna n. meditation, thought, reflection, (esp.) profound and abstract religious meditation... http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 2:53 PM, sparaig wrote: For heaven's sake. How do you know that they are chakkras? How do you discriminate at all if you are in PC? SIghs and shakes head. I believe that's why he's asking if: You have heard of flat transcendence and lively transcendence? The problem is really that the term chakra is a no-no in TM dogma. And what's not in the standard explanation model doesn't exist. Too bad though that at least one so-called advanced technique asks you to focus on a chakra, but you have to wait at least 10 years for that - and pay big bucks before.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
flatuscendence , Lol you nailed it --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Yep, while the wiki rishi-s have the highest state and know everything, the almost highest rishi-s can see but cannot describe. That's because they still have the remainders of flatuscendence in their meditations. Other than that everyone's kool. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: emptybill said: far seeing Wiki rishi-s Brilliant. A b s o l u t e l y Brilliant. And really funny. (deep bow) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Stay enraged Willy! It makes your comments more amusing. So you are only accepting Soto teachers as valid proponents of Chan/Sön/Zen? That IS bullshit Willy! Just for the record, Willy, my Chan/Sön/Zen teacher was Seung Sahn Soen-sa, back in the mid-1980's. He died in 2004. The most important influences from Chan/Sön/Zen on me are Zong-Mi (Hwa-Yen and Chan) and Chinul's tradition of Sudden Awakening/Gradual Practice. My teacher of Mahayana/Tantra/Dzogchen is Younge Khachab Rinpoche, (both a Khenpo and Geche) with whom I am currently studying Vajrayana and Dzogchen (in particular). This summer we studied the first three of the nine Tögal lamps that were enumerated in detail by Vimalamitra. Here at mudville he is extensively teaching the four samaya-s of Dzogchen via Longchenpa-s classic text, The Precious Treasury of the Way of Abiding. Recently he empowered me to practice one of Longchen's Ekajati sadhana-s. And yes, I'm quite happy to call her She if it makes you feel better Willy. Funny though he never mentioned your name when talking Kadak or Lhundrub. Must have been his oversight. And yes, Willy I only read a little Sanskrit and mostly depend upon fine word for word translations of scholars like Georg Feurerstein for Sanskrit/English and Khachab Rinpoche for Tibetan/English. That probably renders me incompetent to talk about this stuff with such far seeing Wiki rishi-s such as yourself doesn't it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: emptybill: Is this another wiki-moment for you. Well, I guess we know who the Sanskrit readers are in this group, and it appears that Vaj and Bill are not, and they seem to know even less about the history of South Asia. Go figure. You'd think that by now they would have at least read a Sanskrit primer. I guess it would be asking too much to have them name their own Soto Zen or Dzogchen teachers. LoL! Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: 1. dhyAna n. meditation, thought, reflection, (esp.) profound and abstract religious meditation... http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
His Sadhana of Mahamudra is quite powerful and is his terma. The Sadhana of Mahamudra was received as a mind terma by the Trungpa when he was in Bhutan at Taktsang cave. This is where Padmasambhava himself meditated in order to subdue obstacles to presenting the buddhadharma in Tibet. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 2:23 PM, WillyTex wrote: Vaj (vajradhatu) likes Chogyam Trungpa, the founder of Vajradhatu... Vaj: I do like him very much... Me too. Hey, we are both on the same path! Trungpa's meditation practice is very similar to TM meditation practice and to Suzuki's Soto zazen practice. Having been trained in all three, I can say that they are all simply basic forms of meditation. Well I disagree that 5-fold Shambhala Training is like TM, although as with many meditation forms, there are similarities. They were very nice to just share the five-leveled practices right up front, which I appreciated them being so kindly forthright. Recently his son is doing his dad's dark retreat practices at a beyul (a hidden valley) his father discovered (and then later purchased) on the remote northern side of Cape Breton, NS. More recently they began teaching the experienced students into the same practices -- all translated into perfect, modern English. Honestly, I never knew the man was a terton. His students were all very socially engaged in numerous divergent areas. All impressive in and of themselves. Screen goddess Ellen (Juno) Page is actually a Shambhala High School (NS) 2005 grad..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
On Mar 4, 2011, at 6:50 PM, blusc0ut wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 2:53 PM, sparaig wrote: For heaven's sake. How do you know that they are chakkras? How do you discriminate at all if you are in PC? SIghs and shakes head. I believe that's why he's asking if: You have heard of flat transcendence and lively transcendence? The problem is really that the term chakra is a no-no in TM dogma. And what's not in the standard explanation model doesn't exist. Too bad though that at least one so-called advanced technique asks you to focus on a chakra, but you have to wait at least 10 years for that - and pay big bucks before. Well, it's only normal that we all want to be as evolutionary as possible, no? :-) chakra = relative = non-blisser = bd...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
On Mar 4, 2011, at 6:58 PM, emptybill wrote: His Sadhana of Mahamudra is quite powerful and is his terma. The Sadhana of Mahamudra was received as a mind terma by the Trungpa when he was in Bhutan at Taktsang cave. This is where Padmasambhava himself meditated in order to subdue obstacles to presenting the buddhadharma in Tibet. I never realized how so much of a boozehound could've been so much of an awakener. I gotta tell you he really took me by surprise (not that there's anything wrong with takin' folks by surprise..)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Lawson, maybe the subliminal message of this video could have a liberating effect on you, if you though allow it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sPUpKGI1Z4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: For heaven's sake. How do you know that they are chakkras? How do you discriminate at all if you are in PC? SIghs and shakes head. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I am sorry that this is your impression. But you should consider that I said this to Lawson, and that he jumped on the thread as they were in the end of the message view, without really having the whole context of our discussion. I'm sorry to see that. I had thought you were one of the very few TM critics around here who had enough self- confidence not to need to engage in that kind of behavior when having discussions with TMers. Hopefully you're just having a bad day or two. Actually, while having very busy days indeed, I had extremely good days. The experiences I talked to you about, I had just now, and I contrasted them to what I knew from my TM years - many years. There is really a stark contrast - not just a gradual one. Not that one is just the magnification of what I thought of as transcendence before, it is totally different IME. That lets me evaluate my own past experiences in a different light. How can there be difference in nothing? It's not totally nothing, that would be nihilism. It is in fact the amount of awareness that is different. You have heard of flat transcendence and lively transcendence? If you are saying that your mind is less noisy now then it was then, that's ok, but my experience has been that the more silent I become, the more I realize that silence has always been there. I am not speaking of noisiness. In TM it was embedded in a cycle. and it was much shorter. I also did not call it PC per se, I was rather responding to Judy calling her experience transcending, and then going on to pick up her mantra. I had the same, just sit down and whoop!, but as I said, there is no way to pick up the mantra in that state, or even continue a cycle of meditation. Yet, there is subtle perception. I am aware, as I mentioned of the chakras. For example there is a strong pull from the Ajna, there is a fine current leading up to Sahasrara, and a subtle current from the heart. At the same time there is bliss and the feeling of a sublime beauty. Basically my position is that of an observer. I could stand up,and walk around, but I would have to force myself. On other occasions it just struck me out of the blue, while walking around in a city, in busy bazar-like lanes. How is it that you remember less silence now? It seems to me now, that the transcendence experience in TM was more partial, usually didn't last that long. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Flatley untilbeyond@... wrote: Regarding MMY, Charlie Lutes said that on several occasions he watched over the body for three days while it was wrapped up like a mummy. This indicated that MMY was a real Yogi. He did what?
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[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mandir Madanapalle
Hi all, I just uploaded some photos from Maharishi Mandir in Madanapalle in the photo section. Maharishi went there around 1955, met one Narayan Iyer, who died recently. His son is on one of the photos, the 'temple' doesn't belong to the movement anymore, and is a meeting place of various meditation groups, like the pyramid society, you see paintings of Babaji on the walls. Some of the photos were made a day or two after Maharishis demise. Sorry for the bad quality, many photos were done with a Nokia phone. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/1138402619/pic/list
[FairfieldLife] Krischun Zombies Mock Muslim Man Praying at White House
These must be leading exponents of Krischunanitry: http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/03/watch-christian-protesters-surround-muslim-man-at-white-house/ Can't wait for the 'the rapture to carry such idiots off to oblivion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: Barry has an agenda? What might that agenda be? What's mine? Rather obviously, to defend Barry. So much so that you rush to challenge a post that *wasn't even about Barry*. Twice, two minutes apart! Better get some ointment for that itchy trigger finger before you shoot yourself in the foot again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK dude - so you see things differently here. Is that really such a big deal? Vaj evangelizes Buddhist practice regularly, specifically Vipassana. He's taken a Buddhist name, for goodness sake, and you don't think he is a Buddhist...lol? He is also a one man disinformation campaign against all things TM. Does he have an agenda? You bet - he's like those dudes on bicycles with white shirts who come to your house to talk about Jesus.
[FairfieldLife] Chan Master Hsu Yun Calif. prairie dog
Subject: Chan Master Hsu Yun Calif. prairie dog From Wiki, re: (Hsu Yun, Guru of Chan Master Hsuan Hua and grand-Guru of Chan Master Sheng Yen): Though Chán is less well known in the West compared to Japanese Zen, the teachings of Hsu Yun have persisted within Asia, and he is still a major figure of Pure Land Buddhism in East Asia. Outside of China, the influence of his teachings is strongest in Southeast Asia, particularly in Vietnam and Myanmar, as well as the Americas, where his teachings were transmitted through well known monastic students such as Venerable Hsuan Hua and Venerable Jy Din Shakya and Venerable Fo Yuan. Chan Master Sheng Yen, granddisciple of Hsu Yun; http://www.chancenter.org/ California prairie dog.
[FairfieldLife] FFL Neo-advaita Troika Trudge
On second thoughts... Joe is the weak link here. I don't want to make Sal mad. Azgrey seems to have the meanness and ambition to succeed. Curtis would have been a definite front runner but he seems to have retired. Does azgrey has the talent to fill in? I would say the third spot is totally up for grabs. We could have a completely new person beating everyone. These are really exciting times we live in !! I'm totally looking forward to filling in this self appointed role of the judge of this troika trudge !! Love - Ravi Yogi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Oh wow !!! Jim's locking horns with the holy FFL neo-advaita trinity of Turq, Vaj and Joe. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: translation: Vaj very much wants you to drop your interest in TM, and take up Vipasanna meditation. He spends hours each week, month after month, glorifying his little technique and trashing Maharishi and all things TM. In other words, he is no different from the Christian fundamentalist insisting that you accept Jesus as your savior vs. the Hindoo devils. In five years or so he hasn't changed anyone's mind, but his zeal remains undiminished - what a hoot. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Michael Flatley wrote: In Kriya Yoga (and probably in TM too) complete absorption into Samadhi leaves the Body in a trance like state, completely still with no heart rate or breath and sustained by prana (life) itself. Great Yogis can stay in this period for great length of times, even MMY states in his transcription The Vedas that, ...the body, the mind, the entire functioning of the inner machinery, all metabolic rate *comes to zero*. MMY The Vedas I've heard that Yogananda's body was not showing signs of decay for some number of days after he died. Regarding MMY, Charlie Lutes said that on several occasions he watched over the body for three days while it was wrapped up like a mummy. This indicated that MMY was a real Yogi. Did MMY practice a lot of hatha yoga in his youth? He was never big on physical yoga was he? MMY's yoga asanas were developed by a gym teacher. So his knowledge was borrowed from others. I've tried to verify the stories of MMY going into a continuum of silence, whilst wrapped, mummy-like, for days and found them to most likely be more made up stories by Charlie. According to a Shankaracharya who was also a disciple of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Mahesh had no instruction on yoga, so assuming the title of yogi was likely just another spurious claim.
[FairfieldLife] Was Churchill a mass murderer?
Page 6, Hinduism Today, April/May/June 2011: How Churchill Starved India The Nov. 2010 release of Madhusree Mukerjee's book, Churchill's Secret War: The British Empire and the Raving of India during WWII, has readers reeling. Between 1939 and 1945, the British used India's entire output of timber, woolen textiles and leather goods, as well as three quarters of its steel and cement, for defense. But few know the full story. To prevent Japanese invasion, the British confiscated all forms of transport on the coast of Bengal Economies were crashing. Without boats for trade, with rice prices beyond reach, Bengalis began to starve. The British hoarded rice not only for the war effort. They blocked even humanitarian wheat shipments from other countries. Mukerjee writes, Churchill valued India so much, and hated Indian nationalists so much, that he wanted to starve them to death Over three million died.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Churchill a mass murderer?
Churchill: I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion... http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2031992,00.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu Xero yifuxero@... wrote: Page 6, Hinduism Today, April/May/June 2011: How Churchill Starved India The Nov. 2010 release of Madhusree Mukerjee's book, Churchill's Secret War: The British Empire and the Raving of India during WWII, has readers reeling. Between 1939 and 1945, the British used India's entire output of timber, woolen textiles and leather goods, as well as three quarters of its steel and cement, for defense. But few know the full story. To prevent Japanese invasion, the British confiscated all forms of transport on the coast of Bengal Economies were crashing. Without boats for trade, with rice prices beyond reach, Bengalis began to starve. The British hoarded rice not only for the war effort. They blocked even humanitarian wheat shipments from other countries. Mukerjee writes, Churchill valued India so much, and hated Indian nationalists so much, that he wanted to starve them to death Over three million died.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Yes indeed !! I have had second thoughts about Joe's already precarious position in the FFL Neo-advaita troika. Instead of ramping up he seems to a big liability. Please refer to my latest update his position is totally up for grabs!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Barry has an agenda? What might that agenda be? What's mine? Rather obviously, to defend Barry. So much so that you rush to challenge a post that *wasn't even about Barry*. Twice, two minutes apart! Better get some ointment for that itchy trigger finger before you shoot yourself in the foot again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK dude - so you see things differently here. Is that really such a big deal? Vaj evangelizes Buddhist practice regularly, specifically Vipassana. He's taken a Buddhist name, for goodness sake, and you don't think he is a Buddhist...lol? He is also a one man disinformation campaign against all things TM. Does he have an agenda? You bet - he's like those dudes on bicycles with white shirts who come to your house to talk about Jesus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
The story goes that Maharishi wanted to feel what it was like to live a life in bondage, but after three days he couldn't take it anymore - Lutes!, he yelled, Get me out of these god-damned bandages!:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Flatley untilbeyond@ wrote: Regarding MMY, Charlie Lutes said that on several occasions he watched over the body for three days while it was wrapped up like a mummy. This indicated that MMY was a real Yogi. He did what?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: According to a Shankaracharya who was also a disciple of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, No attribution of who/what/when/where makes this quote just another spurious claim. Vaj won't tell you, for reasons that will become obvious below, but I will: It's Swaroopanand, current claimant of the Jyotir Math seat (actually one of two, but he seems to have the edge legally). He's the Shank who had the long interview in 1993 at Vrindaban with Michael Kropinski, who had sued the TMO for fraud on various grounds. During that interview, Swaroopanand made a rather big deal of the rumor that MMY had poisoned Guru Dev and said he had heard that MMY had done inappropriate things with the Beatles, as well as claiming that MMY had never practiced yoga. http://www.gaudiya-repercussions.com/index.php?showtopic=2134pid=46965st http://tinyurl.com/5uzdmj9 Swaroopanand is known for his long-standing grudge against MMY. Given MMY's well-known close relationship with Guru Dev (and MMY gasp not even a Brahmin!), it's not hard to imagine why. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip According to a Shankaracharya who was also a disciple of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Mahesh had no instruction on yoga, so assuming the title of yogi was likely just another spurious claim.
[FairfieldLife] Anna Pavlova
...greatest ballerina of all time, was the first to tour ballet around the world (Hinduism Today, p. 31, April/May/June, 2011). http://www.ballerinagallery.com/pic/pavlov03.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Yes indeed !! I have had second thoughts about Joe's already precarious position in the FFL Neo-advaita troika. Joe's a good guy. He just has a blind spot about Barry. Instead of ramping up he seems to a big liability. Please refer to my latest update his position is totally up for grabs!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Barry has an agenda? What might that agenda be? What's mine? Rather obviously, to defend Barry. So much so that you rush to challenge a post that *wasn't even about Barry*. Twice, two minutes apart! Better get some ointment for that itchy trigger finger before you shoot yourself in the foot again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK dude - so you see things differently here. Is that really such a big deal? Vaj evangelizes Buddhist practice regularly, specifically Vipassana. He's taken a Buddhist name, for goodness sake, and you don't think he is a Buddhist...lol? He is also a one man disinformation campaign against all things TM. Does he have an agenda? You bet - he's like those dudes on bicycles with white shirts who come to your house to talk about Jesus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anna Pavlova
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@... wrote: ...greatest ballerina of all time, was the first to tour ballet around the world (Hinduism Today, p. 31, April/May/June, 2011). http://www.ballerinagallery.com/pic/pavlov03.jpg More Pavlova photos: http://www.ballerinagallery.com/pic/pavlov06.jpg http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/123/l_280eb19ca84a42f2beade9bcc4a4019c.jpg http://www.cardcow.com/images/set21/card3_fr.jpg When I was about 10, I went through a ballet craze. She was my idol.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
http://parodyfiles.com/images/mormon.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Yes indeed !! I have had second thoughts about Joe's already precarious position in the FFL Neo-advaita troika. Instead of ramping up he seems to a big liability. Please refer to my latest update his position is totally up for grabs!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Barry has an agenda? What might that agenda be? What's mine? Rather obviously, to defend Barry. So much so that you rush to challenge a post that *wasn't even about Barry*. Twice, two minutes apart! Better get some ointment for that itchy trigger finger before you shoot yourself in the foot again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK dude - so you see things differently here. Is that really such a big deal? Vaj evangelizes Buddhist practice regularly, specifically Vipassana. He's taken a Buddhist name, for goodness sake, and you don't think he is a Buddhist...lol? He is also a one man disinformation campaign against all things TM. Does he have an agenda? You bet - he's like those dudes on bicycles with white shirts who come to your house to talk about Jesus.
[FairfieldLife] Product reviews by H.P. Lovecraft
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[FairfieldLife] Muslim Space Program
http://parodyfiles.com/?p=2534#more-2534
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Right, these streaks of goodness are leading to his downfall. Tough luck buddy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Yes indeed !! I have had second thoughts about Joe's already precarious position in the FFL Neo-advaita troika. Joe's a good guy. He just has a blind spot about Barry. Instead of ramping up he seems to a big liability. Please refer to my latest update his position is totally up for grabs!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Barry has an agenda? What might that agenda be? What's mine? Rather obviously, to defend Barry. So much so that you rush to challenge a post that *wasn't even about Barry*. Twice, two minutes apart! Better get some ointment for that itchy trigger finger before you shoot yourself in the foot again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OK dude - so you see things differently here. Is that really such a big deal? Vaj evangelizes Buddhist practice regularly, specifically Vipassana. He's taken a Buddhist name, for goodness sake, and you don't think he is a Buddhist...lol? He is also a one man disinformation campaign against all things TM. Does he have an agenda? You bet - he's like those dudes on bicycles with white shirts who come to your house to talk about Jesus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Trying to stay out of the shit of this one, but feeling the need to comment anyway, I will just say that I have not once seen Vaj try to push or sell any particular technique or tradition here. He has *discussed* many, and in my opinion often from the valuable point of view of someone who has Been There, Done That, not just Read About It And Consider Myself An Expert. But I honestly don't feel that he has ever pushed me in any way to either accept these techniques and traditions as genuine, or tempt me to join up. Ever. When a person repeatedly trashes one brand and repeatedly extols the virtues of a different brand, even if the person doesn't explicitly say, You should try my brand, it's much better than that crap you're using, to say one hasn't seen him try to push or sell his brand is just a *bit* disingenuous.
[FairfieldLife] The complete Wizard of Oz
http://parodyfiles.com/?p=1979
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Whoa, watch out lady, don't try to blindside him with logic and reason. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Trying to stay out of the shit of this one, but feeling the need to comment anyway, I will just say that I have not once seen Vaj try to push or sell any particular technique or tradition here. He has *discussed* many, and in my opinion often from the valuable point of view of someone who has Been There, Done That, not just Read About It And Consider Myself An Expert. But I honestly don't feel that he has ever pushed me in any way to either accept these techniques and traditions as genuine, or tempt me to join up. Ever. When a person repeatedly trashes one brand and repeatedly extols the virtues of a different brand, even if the person doesn't explicitly say, You should try my brand, it's much better than that crap you're using, to say one hasn't seen him try to push or sell his brand is just a *bit* disingenuous.
