[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
No problem, I would have been shocked if you had agreed. Shows you are true to your dharma. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Yo Lawson I wouldn't take MMY's words seriously. But I would. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
Reformed bully turned elder(?) cautioning the gullible professor? Doesn't look good Barry. Barry this just goes against all your strengths. What happened to your feisty old self where you would take down both the newcomers and the enlightened with the sheer force of your word play and plain old school yard bullying. Not to mention your sidekicks egging you on. You must really miss Sal and Joe? Or are you just getting old - anything you want to share old man? Or are you still licking your wounds that a mad yogi inflicted on you and your sidekicks and beat you at your own game last year? You are trying the same strategy as the one you tried when maskedzebra aka RC came on. Didn't work then, will not work now. So stick to your strengths. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: What Bob said, Bill. Welcome, but watch your back. One thing I should suggest to you -- both on Fairfield Life and in real life -- is to not believe that someone is enlightened just because they claim to be. Going that route is likely to cost you money and heartbreak. For example, on this forum we currently have three people who you seem to have bought into as being enlightened -- Jim Flanegin (whynotnow), Ravi, and Robin (maskedzebra). My bet is that other than each other (they tend to support each others' delusions IMO), you can't find more than a handful of people on this forum who actually BELIEVE that any of them are enlightened. It's not that we think they're lying (except for Ravi, who has admitted several times that he was lying to Rick in the interview he did with him for BATGAP); we think they are a tad delusional. Those of us who think this base it on their real-life behavior on this forum, juxtaposed to their claims of supposed higher states of consciousness. It's the walk the walk vs. the talk the talk thang. Look into it for yourself, and make your own decisions. I would suggest, for all three, using the Yahoo website's Advanced Search engine and looking up some of their earliest posts on this forum. That's where all three of them tended to freak out and display the anger and reactive behavior that convinces us disbelievers that they are delusional rather than enlightened. For the poster who now calls himself whynotnow, you should also look up his posts under several other names, for example, jim_flanegin and enlightened_dawn11 (during the period that Jim was pretending to be female). Just sayin'. I am NOT saying that there might not be truly enlightened people out there. I am NOT saying that there might be one or two of them who got there as the result of TM. But I am saying that I personally don't believe that either whynotnow, Ravi, or MZ fall into that category. And I don't think I'm alone here in believing this. I suspect, in fact, that more people on this forum consider them delusional than consider them enlightened. Just thought you should hear this, since you seemed to be buying everything they say as if it were gospel. It's not. It's opinion. So is what I say in this post. Do your own research and come to your own opinion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
Jim, bummer - I might have to use the Return to Ignorance opt-out clause that RC aka maskedzebra availed off and has vouched for and try my luck at the Aquinas Academy of Theologians. It's highly recommended by maskedzebra and he feels their certificate of enlightenment is more authentic. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Yeah I found out that the options and upgrades, like the stores you mentioned, are ONLY AVAILABLE with the *Brahman* Certification - an extra ten thousand bucks!!! Jeezus H. Christ. Anyway, they claim the ordinary Enlightenment Certificate will still count for discounts on automotive purchases (like those bad-ass chrome rims I saw at Pep Boys), and timeshare vacations. I'm feeling skeptical though, and will be examining the fine print for a refund if I decide to return to Ignorance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Jim - OMG I'm shocked, what a bunch of crooks at HS of E, they had promised me Haagen Dazs and that I could shop at Lucky's, Raley's and Nob Hill Foods as well. What a rip off, it's too late to turn back now, I have worked my butt of for this Certificate - I'm glad it's impressive looking - at least I can show-off with others. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Ravi, I am surprised that you have revealed here on FFL the second, hidden way to enlightenment: cash. I found out too late in the game that an end run, greasing the right palms at the aforementioned HS of E with plenty of moolah would've resulted in my certified enlightenment being granted 40% earlier! Who knew?? PS My Certificate Of Enlightenment arrived two days ago - really impressive looking. I've already used it in lieu of coupons at the Safeway and was able to get a half gallon of rocky road ice cream free! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: It's only a matter of time before Tom Pall creates a couple of well disguised profiles which get approved and he starts posting TM copyrighted materials to take FFL down. Looks like your enlightened shtick has a couple holes in it, Ravi. What happened to the sweetness and light, I love everything and everybody, everyone and everything is my teacher? One could conclude that you're a fraud. Assuming one didn't decide you were ages ago. Sorry I was just kidding Tom, I love ya 'bro. Good to hear that it was just a prolonged joke. Never enlightened after all, eh? Just exercising your sense of humor? Welcome back to planet Earth, Ravi. Now why don't you and your fellow pretenders go eat shit and die? Tom, the prolonged joke's yours - the Himalayan Society of Enlightened is not quite thrilled with your response, they are just waiting for you to sign off so they can certify me as enlightened. I just thought you were sending all emails to your junk folder and made a mistake. C'mon man please forgive me, and get back to them quickly - please don't let me suffer like this. In return for your endorsement, they are willing to put you on a fast track to being certified as enlightened as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: What Bob said, Bill. Welcome, but watch your back. One thing I should suggest to you -- both on Fairfield Life and in real life -- is to not believe that someone is enlightened just because they claim to be. Going that route is likely to cost you money and heartbreak. For example, on this forum we currently have three people who you seem to have bought into as being enlightened -- Jim Flanegin (whynotnow), Ravi, and Robin (maskedzebra). My bet is that other than each other (they tend to support each others' delusions IMO), you can't find more than a handful of people on this forum who actually BELIEVE that any of them are enlightened. It's not that we think they're lying (except for Ravi, who has admitted several times that he was lying to Rick in the interview he did with him for BATGAP); we think they are a tad delusional. Those of us who think this base it on their real-life behavior on this forum, juxtaposed to their claims of supposed higher states of consciousness. It's the walk the walk vs. the talk the talk thang. Look into it for yourself, and make your own decisions. I would suggest, for all three, using the Yahoo website's Advanced Search engine and looking up some of their earliest posts on this forum. That's where all three of them tended to freak out and display the anger and reactive behavior that convinces us disbelievers that they are delusional rather than enlightened. For the poster who now calls himself whynotnow, you should also look up his posts under several other names, for example, jim_flanegin and enlightened_dawn11 (during the period that Jim was pretending to be female). Just sayin'. * * Leaving aside your other assertions, Turq -- they are subjective and everyone can and will make up their own minds on those -- Thanks for saying this...that is my opinion as well. I am just making the case for not believing that what ANYONE says about their supposed state of conscious- ness is true until you have weighed it terms of the Buddha's words on the FFL Home Page: Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. In particular, I am cautioning against believing what people with a seemingly *huge* investment in being perceived by others as enlightened say about being enlightened. Ravi, for instance, probably never got any attention in his entire life until Rick heard about him and chose to interview him for the BATGAP series. Ravi has said since that his interview was a put-on, taking advantage of Rick's naivete. Yet here he still is, drinking in the attention on a TM forum, when he never learned TM. Go figure, eh? Jim has now posted under several different IDs, doing IMO the same thing -- trolling for attention. In a few of those ID-incarnations, he claimed to *not* be Jim, until he made a stupid mistake like posting a song from the not-Jim ID that was clearly copyrighted to Jim Flanegin. Again, go figure. ...I can tell you with full certainty that Jim never pretended to be enlightened_dawn. I personally know the woman who posted as enlightened_dawn, and she is in fact quite female :-) Whatever. Despite what you say, I still have my suspicions that enlightened_dawn11 was Jim, putting on yet another of his false personas. As I said at the time, however, I may be wrong about this. Here is the post in which I made my arguments for them being the same person. I stand by those arguments. If you have proof that they are incorrect, I will retract them. But your word -- on this subject or about your own enlightenment -- doth not constitute proof. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/211686 You may have noticed, Rory, that I didn't explicitly name you in my earlier post as one of the pretend enlightened. That does not mean that I actually believe that you are (I don't), only that in your latest posts to this forum you are keeping your ego-dick in your pants and not acting like the opposite of what we have been told an enlightened being would be like. Good on you for doing this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: Thx so much XA. What you describe is the one thing I fear the most. I have had insomnia for my entire adult life and when I went to a sleep lab way back in 1982 (at U.C.Irvine in California) I was told I had alpha intrusion.' Obviously I was having trouble getting out of the restful state of alpha and into the drowsy theta state and then into the sleeping delta. So, when the article in Sleep showed that these TM meditators where producing alpha waves, while concomitantly showing delta waves, that turned me off. I quit doing TM long ago because of it. That was 11 years ago. But around 5 months ago now I started TM again and it was not too long, perhaps 10 weeks later, I could tell that CC was starting to develop. That silent inner layer, which was there all the time when I was not too mentally active (so, watching TV I could 'feel' it), was growing and I worry about the effects on sleep. Â Your story is, for me, a real cautionary tale to be sure. I am deeply grateful to you for sharing it with me. Â Â I guess the only good thing to take way for all of this was that the CC experience did go away in time. If I may ask one question XA: How much were you meditating? Were you going far beyond the typical twice-per-day, Â 20 minute program? Were you using advanced techniques? Were you going to all those residence courses to undergo 'rounding'? Clint Eastwood has been meditating for 40 years and I assume he is doing TM 'lite,' as I am. Â He seems none the worse for wear, so to speak. Cheers Bill From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:45 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?) Â With regards to William Parkinson, Ravi Yogi, and Lawson --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote: Thank you so much for sharing with me what happened to you Ravi. I did not know that you are using something other than TM. The only reason why I practice TM is because having tried other meditations, TM, for better or worse, seems to allow me to transcend in the quickest manner I have ever experienced. It happened in the first day or two, and that was something I can't say for any other form of meditation I tried, including classical concentration (which I started when I was perhaps 12 years old following the guidelines in a book by Richard Hittleman on Yoga), or vipanassana, or meditating on my breath while using a simple form of pranayama. For me TM is simply an expedient tool-- I have no desire to reach GC or UG and right now I'm just trying to figure out if I should even allowed to go so far as CC 24/7. Frankly this entire notion of having so-called Cosmic Consciousness, this awareness of a silent inner level, during sleep is something that concerns me. I wonder if it will make sleep far more difficult. And I also worry about what I just read concerning what seems to be long-lasting, if not permanent changes to either neurophysiology or even neuroanatomy. Btw, what form of meditation were you practicing? And also, I love the comment by your Guru. That was a very perceptive comment!! Cheers Bill From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?) Dear Bill, Not being familiar with TM, I can just share my experiences. In my experience not being aware during deep sleep state doesn't seem to hinder bliss and perfect awareness during the wakeful state. Most of the times I sleep like a log, if I'm too high I might feel like I'm aware of my sleep state but this happens rarely. However during a period of 3 months in 09 10, during this period that I refer to as the descension of divine I hardly slept and had full awareness even while asleep. But I believe this to be a side effect of the body trying to cope with energy than any natural state. My body treated this energy as an invasion and felt the need to be awake 24 hours a day to deal with this. So based on my experience it was just an interim state, after having integrated the energy and rising up higher in consciousness, so to speak I just sleep. TM is a path like many others, like my Guru would say once you reach the shore you leave the boat behind, you wouldn't carry it on your head. For me the further shore occasionally seems closer than at other times, but invariably a cleansing flood washes the boat back down stream, and the further shore seems at least as far away as ever, if not more. IOW, I haven't found an opportunity to carry the boat around on my head for any appreciable length of time, at least. To paraphrase MMY:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
I don't think anyone here is as gullible as you are Barry (even moderator Gullible Fool). We use critical thinking skills, discrimination and intuitive feelings from the heart to find our own truth. On the other hand, you are always trying to con people on here with your misrepresentations and now it looks like that has come around to bite you, thinking that everyone lies as much as you do, and is sucked in by your stupid egocentric boasts. Free clue: You ain't no genius, darlin'. How's that long Summer vacation goin'? Perhaps you can distract yourself with another movie or two, sitting safely hidden in the darkness, trying to avoid the awful place you currently inhabit. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: What Bob said, Bill. Welcome, but watch your back. One thing I should suggest to you -- both on Fairfield Life and in real life -- is to not believe that someone is enlightened just because they claim to be. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
Oh Poor old Barry tormented by jealousy, why don't you go back to your strengths - your carefree, fun, creative play of words to manipulate your audience. This groveling and cajoling Rory and newcomers does little justice to your recalcitrant online persona. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... Yet here he still is, drinking in the attention on a TM forum, when he never learned TM. Go figure, eh?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
That Return to Ignorance clause is awesome. Even more impressive is the *Certificate of Ignorance*, clad in a FULL TEN MICROGRAMS OF REAL GOLD! I saw a copy once a long time ago. There are actually a few Ignorant ones here who claim that Ignorance is actually their full time state of consciousness! I am impressed, though I haven't seen their certificates up close yet. Possible forgeries. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Jim, bummer - I might have to use the Return to Ignorance opt-out clause that RC aka maskedzebra availed off and has vouched for and try my luck at the Aquinas Academy of Theologians. It's highly recommended by maskedzebra and he feels their certificate of enlightenment is more authentic. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Yeah I found out that the options and upgrades, like the stores you mentioned, are ONLY AVAILABLE with the *Brahman* Certification - an extra ten thousand bucks!!! Jeezus H. Christ. Anyway, they claim the ordinary Enlightenment Certificate will still count for discounts on automotive purchases (like those bad-ass chrome rims I saw at Pep Boys), and timeshare vacations. I'm feeling skeptical though, and will be examining the fine print for a refund if I decide to return to Ignorance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Jim - OMG I'm shocked, what a bunch of crooks at HS of E, they had promised me Haagen Dazs and that I could shop at Lucky's, Raley's and Nob Hill Foods as well. What a rip off, it's too late to turn back now, I have worked my butt of for this Certificate - I'm glad it's impressive looking - at least I can show-off with others. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Ravi, I am surprised that you have revealed here on FFL the second, hidden way to enlightenment: cash. I found out too late in the game that an end run, greasing the right palms at the aforementioned HS of E with plenty of moolah would've resulted in my certified enlightenment being granted 40% earlier! Who knew?? PS My Certificate Of Enlightenment arrived two days ago - really impressive looking. I've already used it in lieu of coupons at the Safeway and was able to get a half gallon of rocky road ice cream free! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: It's only a matter of time before Tom Pall creates a couple of well disguised profiles which get approved and he starts posting TM copyrighted materials to take FFL down. Looks like your enlightened shtick has a couple holes in it, Ravi. What happened to the sweetness and light, I love everything and everybody, everyone and everything is my teacher? One could conclude that you're a fraud. Assuming one didn't decide you were ages ago. Sorry I was just kidding Tom, I love ya 'bro. Good to hear that it was just a prolonged joke. Never enlightened after all, eh? Just exercising your sense of humor? Welcome back to planet Earth, Ravi. Now why don't you and your fellow pretenders go eat shit and die? Tom, the prolonged joke's yours - the Himalayan Society of Enlightened is not quite thrilled with your response, they are just waiting for you to sign off so they can certify me as enlightened. I just thought you were sending all emails to your junk folder and made a mistake. C'mon man please forgive me, and get back to them quickly - please don't let me suffer like this. In return for your endorsement, they are willing to put you on a fast track to being certified as enlightened as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
I think Barry also has self-loathing going on, low vibe as he refers to his posts as. So he can't fathom how anyone can claim higher state of consciousness and indulge in his game without the self-loathing, low vibe deception. A classic case of projection. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I don't think anyone here is as gullible as you are Barry (even moderator Gullible Fool). We use critical thinking skills, discrimination and intuitive feelings from the heart to find our own truth. On the other hand, you are always trying to con people on here with your misrepresentations and now it looks like that has come around to bite you, thinking that everyone lies as much as you do, and is sucked in by your stupid egocentric boasts. Free clue: You ain't no genius, darlin'. How's that long Summer vacation goin'? Perhaps you can distract yourself with another movie or two, sitting safely hidden in the darkness, trying to avoid the awful place you currently inhabit. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: What Bob said, Bill. Welcome, but watch your back. One thing I should suggest to you -- both on Fairfield Life and in real life -- is to not believe that someone is enlightened just because they claim to be. snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
On Jul 14, 2011, at 12:20 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: [...] The much-touted witnessing of advanced TMers is seen in normal humans all the time, but esp. in the elderly and people in pain. Big whoop. Derealization during pain isn't the same as witnessing during the waking state, and the finding that world champion athletes compared to non-world champion athletes show more of the same kind of EEG signature as long-term TMers do compared to short-term TM meditators, certainly suggests that there's something more going on... I was referring to witnessing during sleep. The signature TMers tout, is actually rather common. Listening to William, I have to wonder if it's actually a variety of alpha intrusion?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
On Jul 13, 2011, at 9:20 PM, William Parkinson wrote: Thank you so much for the information Bhairitu . I tried to trace back my own mantra within the Advaita-shakti tradition and found that it was recorded in Shankara's 'Saundaryalahari.' Perhaps I am just slow witted, but I don't believe in Ishta-devatas or any of these deities. For me it is sort of like if an Italian person came to me and gave me an ancient religious tradition that was based on a belief in Hermes or Zeus or Neptune. These are just personifications of natural forces and experiences. Still, TM does work! I have my own secular explanation as to what I think makes it work, but of course maybe Kali, Lakshmi and the other goddesses of the Divine mother tradition are real! Nevertheless, I find it fascinating to trace the roots of this religious tradition. I hope you will add any further information you can on the tradition. There is so much I really do not understand about it or even about the growth of the tradition after Shankara. Perhaps others can shed further light upon the tradition that underlies TM. At this point, having heard too many testimonials concerning disrupted sleep patterns (even when they are seen as being helpful) I think I'm going to cut back my TM to 10 minutes each session and add 10 minutes of pranayama prior to doing the TM. Maybe in that fashion I can still get some of the benefits from the practice, but not develop full-blown CC, which would surface during my sleeping hours. Anyway thank you so much!! Bill you do realize that saundaryalahari is attributed to Shankara, but is very likely not by him? It's more in the style of an agama or a tantra rather than any of the classical works of Adi Shankara. The key point is, the TM bijas are part and parcel of the tantric mantra tradition. The TM mantras appear repeatedly in numerous different tantras. Tantric mantra dictionaries contain all of the TM mantras (and many, many more), along with their detailed meanings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
I guess you have to ask yourself Barry, was your purpose to actually warn Bill, or to slam the other three. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: What Bob said, Bill. Welcome, but watch your back. One thing I should suggest to you -- both on Fairfield Life and in real life -- is to not believe that someone is enlightened just because they claim to be. Going that route is likely to cost you money and heartbreak. For example, on this forum we currently have three people who you seem to have bought into as being enlightened -- Jim Flanegin (whynotnow), Ravi, and Robin (maskedzebra). My bet is that other than each other (they tend to support each others' delusions IMO), you can't find more than a handful of people on this forum who actually BELIEVE that any of them are enlightened. It's not that we think they're lying (except for Ravi, who has admitted several times that he was lying to Rick in the interview he did with him for BATGAP); we think they are a tad delusional. Those of us who think this base it on their real-life behavior on this forum, juxtaposed to their claims of supposed higher states of consciousness. It's the walk the walk vs. the talk the talk thang. Look into it for yourself, and make your own decisions. I would suggest, for all three, using the Yahoo website's Advanced Search engine and looking up some of their earliest posts on this forum. That's where all three of them tended to freak out and display the anger and reactive behavior that convinces us disbelievers that they are delusional rather than enlightened. For the poster who now calls himself whynotnow, you should also look up his posts under several other names, for example, jim_flanegin and enlightened_dawn11 (during the period that Jim was pretending to be female). Just sayin'. I am NOT saying that there might not be truly enlightened people out there. I am NOT saying that there might be one or two of them who got there as the result of TM. But I am saying that I personally don't believe that either whynotnow, Ravi, or MZ fall into that category. And I don't think I'm alone here in believing this. I suspect, in fact, that more people on this forum consider them delusional than consider them enlightened. Just thought you should hear this, since you seemed to be buying everything they say as if it were gospel. It's not. It's opinion. So is what I say in this post. Do your own research and come to your own opinion.
[FairfieldLife] New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 07/14/2011
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Afflictive Emotions, part 2
Damn Yahoo ate my response. I guess the universe wanted me to take another crack at it despite the witty repartee and even sticking the landing at the end. Let's put on the slicker and L.L. Bean Maine swamp boots. -snipjstein@ wrote: You weren't here the first time around. You were absent from the group from before Thanksgiving till the end of March. The Barry-debacle took place in January. And here I thought he was lurking all that time. [:(] Of course I was. I can't imagine why a Judy Barry Dan battle didn't bring me out of lurk mode! I was letting absence make my heart grow fonder like when you use a feather duster on a chick when she is begging you for the cat-O-nine tails. (Did I say that last part out loud?) What Curtis had said that I was responding to: As if my non particiapation the first time around was not enough of a message that I didn't care about the hilarity that ensued in the clusterfuck misadventures of people who hate each other [yada yada]... Curtis, when you're standing on your head trying to cobble together a plausible case out of nothing for someone else lying, it really doesn't look too good when you lie yourself, and then when caught, lie again. (Yes, I get the joke. No, it doesn't excuse the dishonesty.) Yeah. So the deal is that it wasn't interesting enough when I saw it the first time and I'm sure I didn't read every post because it was pretty easy to identify the type of thread, and my second reading didn't make the mess look any better, so that is what happened. I can't even follow your dishonesty bullshit enough to address it. Allow me to explain. The first lie was the enough of a message part. There was no such message, whether you were lurking for four months or not. If nobody knows you're watching, you can't send a message by not commenting on what you see, obviously. I could have come out of lurk mode, I didn't. I didn't say it was a clear message. And it was you who reminded me when I was not posting, I don't even remember myself. But if you big point was it wasn't much of a message then you got me. It was an offhand comment and you notice an inconsistency which you are trying to use as proof of deception. It is a typical Judy dickish move. But even if I had been posting and I had read every one of the posts, I would not have posted about it because it was a clusterfuck of snarling accusations and I am sorry I read as much as I did the second time around. And when I wrote that I hadn't made the connection that it was during the time I wasn't posting. That is the kind of detail you obsess on. I couldn't tell you what periods I have been on and off posting there have been a few. The second lie was in your response to Steve, pretending that enough of a message wasn't a lie. Here you indulge in the Judyisim of trying to paint something like this as a lie. I won't need to clarify why this is bullshit, it is obvious to any reader over the age of 10, no 8, no as soon as a child can read like in a baby Einstein program they could tell this is complete nonsense. My reporting on what I was doing when I was not posting is pretty much gunna have to be the last word Not the issue. But now we may have another issue. If you did remember the episode, as you indicate above, how come you asked Dan if it had really happened? Either you saw it the first time and knew the answer to your question, or you did not see it after all, contrary to your lurking claim. Another Judy BS technique, trying to parse something like this beyond all reason to make is sound inconsistent. But this time I will spell it out. I must have seen the thread because I lurked when I wasn't posting. I must have read enough to categorize it as uninteresting which is what happened the second time too. But for you to assume that I cared enough about it to have remembered it and its connection with what Dan said...no. My response was innocent and strong that it sounded like a real violation. And you filled me in on the history, which I felt did not support the accusation. Which you tried to spin as me protecting Barry in a blatant misrepresentation of my point. But you were being Judy and you wanted to create a chance to use your favorite word, by doing what that word means. and your opinion is not being solicited by me. Of course not. I nailed you on your lie, and made my case. You failed utterly to make any such case, and you know it. Not one of your claims held up. We (as usual) will have to agree to disagree. I am satisfied that if any reader took the time and was willing to take a long hot shower afterwards they could sort this out for themselves and I am comfortable with the conclusions they would draw. We both made our cases and (big surprise) have our hands held in the air at
[FairfieldLife] A Prediction (was Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?))
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: I guess you have to ask yourself Barry, was your purpose to actually warn Bill, or to slam the other three. I might just as easily turn that question on you. Weren't you more interested in slamming me in post- ing what you did than in anything else? I ask because another way of responding would have been to say, unequivocably, Bill, to counter what Barry (Turq) says, I completely believe that Jim, Ravi, and Robin (and Rory, if you care to throw him into the mix) are what they claim to be, fully enlightened. Wouldn't that have been a more graceful and more helpful way to respond? My prediction is that you won't do this, nor will much of anyone else, except for the four people them- selves and maybe Nabby, who no one believes about much of anything anyway. Instead you (and others, especially starting Friday evening when the Post Count rolls over to a new week) will spend your energies trying to demonize me for simply making a point. That point was that Bill, a relative newcomer to both TM and FFL, seemed to believe without reservation that all of these people were enlightened, *just because they said they were*. I was hoping to make the point to him that a little more discrimination might be in order. You -- and others here -- could help him develop that discrimination, if what you are interested in is his welfare. If, in fact, you believe that I am wrong, and that Jim, Ravi, and Robin are enlightened (according to Maharishi's definition of enlightenment, that is -- at the very least CC, and several of them have claimed to be in or have been in UC as well), step up, take your balls in your hand, and SAY SO. If you believe this and don't SAY SO, I think you're kind of spineless. If you believe the opposite -- that they are *not* enlightened -- and don't SAY SO, I think you're kinda spineless. Same with the other folks here. Your call. My prediction is that almost no one will take a stand one way or another. But the same people who don't have balls enough to say whether they believe these guys are enlightened will spend a lot of energy and a lot of posts badmouthing me for bringing up the elephant in the room. Priorities. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: What Bob said, Bill. Welcome, but watch your back. One thing I should suggest to you -- both on Fairfield Life and in real life -- is to not believe that someone is enlightened just because they claim to be. Going that route is likely to cost you money and heartbreak. For example, on this forum we currently have three people who you seem to have bought into as being enlightened -- Jim Flanegin (whynotnow), Ravi, and Robin (maskedzebra). My bet is that other than each other (they tend to support each others' delusions IMO), you can't find more than a handful of people on this forum who actually BELIEVE that any of them are enlightened. It's not that we think they're lying (except for Ravi, who has admitted several times that he was lying to Rick in the interview he did with him for BATGAP); we think they are a tad delusional. Those of us who think this base it on their real-life behavior on this forum, juxtaposed to their claims of supposed higher states of consciousness. It's the walk the walk vs. the talk the talk thang. Look into it for yourself, and make your own decisions. I would suggest, for all three, using the Yahoo website's Advanced Search engine and looking up some of their earliest posts on this forum. That's where all three of them tended to freak out and display the anger and reactive behavior that convinces us disbelievers that they are delusional rather than enlightened. For the poster who now calls himself whynotnow, you should also look up his posts under several other names, for example, jim_flanegin and enlightened_dawn11 (during the period that Jim was pretending to be female). Just sayin'. I am NOT saying that there might not be truly enlightened people out there. I am NOT saying that there might be one or two of them who got there as the result of TM. But I am saying that I personally don't believe that either whynotnow, Ravi, or MZ fall into that category. And I don't think I'm alone here in believing this. I suspect, in fact, that more people on this forum consider them delusional than consider them enlightened. Just thought you should hear this, since you seemed to be buying everything they say as if it were gospel. It's not. It's opinion. So is what I say in this post. Do your own research and come to your own opinion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bernanke Ready to Rescue the Economy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 07/13/2011 07:08 PM, obbajeeba wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Johnjr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 07/13/2011 11:15 AM, John wrote: In other words, he can print more money if the economy doesn't improve. Or, he can raise the interest rates for borrowing money if inflation is the problem. Just by talking, the Dow Jones average went up by 142 points. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Bernanke-Fed-would-supply-apf-1990658503.html?x=0.v=7 That's the problem with the Fed which is run by a bunch of crooks. I called out Bernanke here back in 2007 as a liar when he was quizzed by congress. Time showed that indeed he was lying. The stock market is just a sophisticated gambling den. It will go and down on a whim. It's a good place to lose your money. Maybe so. But the US is built on a free economy. It's like the old saying, Let the buyer beware. For the time being, the Fed's tools appear to be working. It's possible Bernanke could just jawbone his way through Wall Street and revive the economy. Meanwhile, the president and Congress have not come up with a long-term plan to address deficit spending and the national debt. It's a miracle the US government is still solvent. We need to remind our politicians that they cannot sweep this problem under the rug. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/11thmarble.php Mike Rivero was kind enough to post my PeopleVille music video on WRH which allowed it to get 2000 views in one weekend. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbgBpldEazo Mike is an atheist though his wife write devotional music (go figure). He's moved his show around in the last few months. First from GCN because he figured he didn't fit in. Then RBN where again he figured he didn't fit in. Now he's on Rense which of course tends to get new agey at times. Funny thing is Karel, a liberal gay talk host from Los Angeles, is now on GCN in the afternoons which is an odd fit. Karel is a hoot to listen to. Mike is god. LOL. Your peopleville music video is great. Did you send it to Mike Rivero that one weekend? I do believe I too, sent him a link of your peopleville, I remember seeing the numbers go up rather quickly. : )
[FairfieldLife] And now for something completely different...
An Austrian atheist has won the right to be shown on his driving-license photo wearing a pasta strainer as religious headgear. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14135523 What is so brilliant about this for me is that it shows the arbitrariness in societies protected beliefs. In every other area of human discourse you can point your finger and go bullshit when some makes an absurd claim like that the Holocaust never happened. But in the area of religion absurd claims are protected as if assumed sacred. It is a holdover from our tribal ancestry and is long overdue for a revising. Religion has protected so many bad ideas in societies and still does. And if the claims of religion were true, if the world really does work as they claim, then why be so touchy as if it is delicate? If their view is reality then is should hold up like any other set of beliefs with good reasons supporting them. But we treat these beliefs as fragile little flowers that can't stand up to a little challenge. So many religions claim that God want's us to wear special hats, or special underwear. The creator of the universe who spent about 260 million years on this planet alone with the dinosaurs, gets pissed off if you take a piece of fabric off your head. Well I guess it's OK as long as it only applies to women because God has universally made it clear in the world's scriptures how we should think of them.
[FairfieldLife] A Prediction (was Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?))
Since I agree with the TMO requirement to keep mantras private, I really shouldn't be doing this. However I have decided for my last post this week to reveal Barry's private mantra. He may try to deny it, but here it is: WA!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I guess you have to ask yourself Barry, was your purpose to actually warn Bill, or to slam the other three. I might just as easily turn that question on you. Weren't you more interested in slamming me in post- ing what you did than in anything else? I ask because another way of responding would have been to say, unequivocably, Bill, to counter what Barry (Turq) says, I completely believe that Jim, Ravi, and Robin (and Rory, if you care to throw him into the mix) are what they claim to be, fully enlightened. Wouldn't that have been a more graceful and more helpful way to respond? My prediction is that you won't do this, nor will much of anyone else, except for the four people them- selves and maybe Nabby, who no one believes about much of anything anyway. Instead you (and others, especially starting Friday evening when the Post Count rolls over to a new week) will spend your energies trying to demonize me for simply making a point. That point was that Bill, a relative newcomer to both TM and FFL, seemed to believe without reservation that all of these people were enlightened, *just because they said they were*. I was hoping to make the point to him that a little more discrimination might be in order. You -- and others here -- could help him develop that discrimination, if what you are interested in is his welfare. If, in fact, you believe that I am wrong, and that Jim, Ravi, and Robin are enlightened (according to Maharishi's definition of enlightenment, that is -- at the very least CC, and several of them have claimed to be in or have been in UC as well), step up, take your balls in your hand, and SAY SO. If you believe this and don't SAY SO, I think you're kind of spineless. If you believe the opposite -- that they are *not* enlightened -- and don't SAY SO, I think you're kinda spineless. Same with the other folks here. Your call. My prediction is that almost no one will take a stand one way or another. But the same people who don't have balls enough to say whether they believe these guys are enlightened will spend a lot of energy and a lot of posts badmouthing me for bringing up the elephant in the room. Priorities. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: What Bob said, Bill. Welcome, but watch your back. One thing I should suggest to you -- both on Fairfield Life and in real life -- is to not believe that someone is enlightened just because they claim to be. Going that route is likely to cost you money and heartbreak. For example, on this forum we currently have three people who you seem to have bought into as being enlightened -- Jim Flanegin (whynotnow), Ravi, and Robin (maskedzebra). My bet is that other than each other (they tend to support each others' delusions IMO), you can't find more than a handful of people on this forum who actually BELIEVE that any of them are enlightened. It's not that we think they're lying (except for Ravi, who has admitted several times that he was lying to Rick in the interview he did with him for BATGAP); we think they are a tad delusional. Those of us who think this base it on their real-life behavior on this forum, juxtaposed to their claims of supposed higher states of consciousness. It's the walk the walk vs. the talk the talk thang. Look into it for yourself, and make your own decisions. I would suggest, for all three, using the Yahoo website's Advanced Search engine and looking up some of their earliest posts on this forum. That's where all three of them tended to freak out and display the anger and reactive behavior that convinces us disbelievers that they are delusional rather than enlightened. For the poster who now calls himself whynotnow, you should also look up his posts under several other names, for example, jim_flanegin and enlightened_dawn11 (during the period that Jim was pretending to be female). Just sayin'. I am NOT saying that there might not be truly enlightened people out there. I am NOT saying that there might be one or two of them who got there as the result of TM. But I am saying that I personally don't believe that either whynotnow, Ravi, or MZ fall into that category. And I don't think I'm alone here in believing this. I suspect, in fact, that more people on this forum consider them delusional than consider them enlightened. Just thought you should hear this, since you seemed
Re: [FairfieldLife] And now for something completely different...
Curtis, Thank you for this. The wife, recently, made me watch Rabbit Hole. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rabbit_hole/ Without I hope-spoiling anything, I feel, it might be a topical story in relation to some of your exchanges with Robin. On one level, it's a story about unbearable loss, the kind you either learn to deny or adopt as a presence, an other in your life, but never free yourself from. But on another level-it seemed to be saying: The question is not-Does God exist, but rather if he didn't exist-we'll have to invent him. I guess, what I liked about the film was that the writer(s) seemed to have no compulsion to resolve the uncertainty, the doubt. IOM, this is always the best type of writing. The character of the teenage boy is closest to the person I'd like to be. The acting is consistently good, but the actor playing this boy shows more grief in a look than I knew was possible. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend. PS: I'm hoping Bill will be up for some exchanges on early Christianity. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:09:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] And now for something completely different... An Austrian atheist has won the right to be shown on his driving-license photo wearing a pasta strainer as religious headgear. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14135523 What is so brilliant about this for me is that it shows the arbitrariness in societies protected beliefs. In every other area of human discourse you can point your finger and go bullshit when some makes an absurd claim like that the Holocaust never happened. But in the area of religion absurd claims are protected as if assumed sacred. It is a holdover from our tribal ancestry and is long overdue for a revising. Religion has protected so many bad ideas in societies and still does. And if the claims of religion were true, if the world really does work as they claim, then why be so touchy as if it is delicate? If their view is reality then is should hold up like any other set of beliefs with good reasons supporting them. But we treat these beliefs as fragile little flowers that can't stand up to a little challenge. So many religions claim that God want's us to wear special hats, or special underwear. The creator of the universe who spent about 260 million years on this planet alone with the dinosaurs, gets pissed off if you take a piece of fabric off your head. Well I guess it's OK as long as it only applies to women because God has universally made it clear in the world's scriptures how we should think of them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: And now for something completely different...
Hey Bob, Thanks for the heads up, it looks great and I've put in on my Netflix cue right after International Co-ed Jello Wrestling Showdown Extravaganza Championship (The one with the NR rating) I love that you movie was described as Emotional and Dark, right up my alley. I neglected to thank you for having my back in a few exchanges here. Much appreciated. I am enjoying the fact that you can post simultaneously wacky and profound which is the style I am a big fan of. BTW how do you know Robin? Only from the board? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Curtis, Thank you for this. The wife, recently, made me watch Rabbit Hole. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rabbit_hole/ Without I hope-spoiling anything, I feel, it might be a topical story in relation to some of your exchanges with Robin. On one level, it's a story about unbearable loss, the kind you either learn to deny or adopt as a presence, an other in your life, but never free yourself from. But on another level-it seemed to be saying: The question is not-Does God exist, but rather if he didn't exist-we'll have to invent him. I guess, what I liked about the film was that the writer(s) seemed to have no compulsion to resolve the uncertainty, the doubt. IOM, this is always the best type of writing. The character of the teenage boy is closest to the person I'd like  to be. The acting is consistently good, but the actor playing this boy shows more grief in a look than I knew was possible. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend. PS: I'm hoping Bill will be up for some exchanges on early Christianity.  From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:09:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] And now for something completely different...  An Austrian atheist has won the right to be shown on his driving-license photo wearing a pasta strainer as religious headgear. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14135523 What is so brilliant about this for me is that it shows the arbitrariness in societies protected beliefs. In every other area of human discourse you can point your finger and go bullshit when some makes an absurd claim like that the Holocaust never happened. But in the area of religion absurd claims are protected as if assumed sacred. It is a holdover from our tribal ancestry and is long overdue for a revising. Religion has protected so many bad ideas in societies and still does. And if the claims of religion were true, if the world really does work as they claim, then why be so touchy as if it is delicate? If their view is reality then is should hold up like any other set of beliefs with good reasons supporting them. But we treat these beliefs as fragile little flowers that can't stand up to a little challenge. So many religions claim that God want's us to wear special hats, or special underwear. The creator of the universe who spent about 260 million years on this planet alone with the dinosaurs, gets pissed off if you take a piece of fabric off your head. Well I guess it's OK as long as it only applies to women because God has universally made it clear in the world's scriptures how we should think of them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Whatever. Despite what you say, I still have my suspicions that enlightened_dawn11 was Jim, putting on yet another of his false personas. As I said at the time, however, I may be wrong about this. Here is the post in which I made my arguments for them being the same person. I stand by those arguments. If you have proof that they are incorrect, I will retract them. But your word -- on this subject or about your own enlightenment -- doth not constitute proof. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/211686 * * Yes, who knows? You may be right; I recall now I was offline (though not drunk :-) ) at the time, and my memory told me that enlightened_dawn was the blonde bombshell tantric priestess who posted here (whom I do know well) -- but on reviewing some of the posts I think now that may well be incorrect; offhand I don't even see where enlightened_dawn even claimed to be a woman... :-) You may have noticed, Rory, that I didn't explicitly name you in my earlier post as one of the pretend enlightened. That does not mean that I actually believe that you are (I don't), only that in your latest posts to this forum you are keeping your ego-dick in your pants and not acting like the opposite of what we have been told an enlightened being would be like. Good on you for doing this. * * Thanks, Turq. Yes; if you had said I was either enlightened, or ignorant, or pretend-enlightened, or deluded, or anything else, I would have to both agree and disagree -- agree in that I of necessity contain seeds of everything, every quality, and disagree in that none of those seeds is the whole truth, which simply IS, with no specific qualities, and/or all of them. Really, it appears to me as if we're all simply pure screens or mirrors that everyone is projecting their various movies onto. What people see in me or in anyone else usually tells me far more about the seers themselves than about the person they believe they are seeing :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bernanke Ready to Rescue the Economy
On 07/14/2011 07:09 AM, obbajeeba wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 07/13/2011 07:08 PM, obbajeeba wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Johnjr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 07/13/2011 11:15 AM, John wrote: In other words, he can print more money if the economy doesn't improve. Or, he can raise the interest rates for borrowing money if inflation is the problem. Just by talking, the Dow Jones average went up by 142 points. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Bernanke-Fed-would-supply-apf-1990658503.html?x=0.v=7 That's the problem with the Fed which is run by a bunch of crooks. I called out Bernanke here back in 2007 as a liar when he was quizzed by congress. Time showed that indeed he was lying. The stock market is just a sophisticated gambling den. It will go and down on a whim. It's a good place to lose your money. Maybe so. But the US is built on a free economy. It's like the old saying, Let the buyer beware. For the time being, the Fed's tools appear to be working. It's possible Bernanke could just jawbone his way through Wall Street and revive the economy. Meanwhile, the president and Congress have not come up with a long-term plan to address deficit spending and the national debt. It's a miracle the US government is still solvent. We need to remind our politicians that they cannot sweep this problem under the rug. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/11thmarble.php Mike Rivero was kind enough to post my PeopleVille music video on WRH which allowed it to get 2000 views in one weekend. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbgBpldEazo Mike is an atheist though his wife write devotional music (go figure). He's moved his show around in the last few months. First from GCN because he figured he didn't fit in. Then RBN where again he figured he didn't fit in. Now he's on Rense which of course tends to get new agey at times. Funny thing is Karel, a liberal gay talk host from Los Angeles, is now on GCN in the afternoons which is an odd fit. Karel is a hoot to listen to. Mike is god. LOL. Your peopleville music video is great. Did you send it to Mike Rivero that one weekend? I do believe I too, sent him a link of your peopleville, I remember seeing the numbers go up rather quickly. : ) Thanks, yes I sent it to him probably on Thursday before the weekend. And thanks for sending it to him also. He told me he likes 3D animation because he does that kind of thing himself being an effect guy for movies and TV (such as Lost). Some of his fans also put it up on their blogs.
[FairfieldLife] States of Consciousness
New book: http://www.pdf-archive.com/2011/07/01/consciousness-states-cosic-2011/consciousness-states-cosic-2011.pdf chapter 10 is about enlightenment, TM-style by Fred Travis
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 14, 2011, at 12:20 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: [...] The much-touted witnessing of advanced TMers is seen in normal humans all the time, but esp. in the elderly and people in pain. Big whoop. Derealization during pain isn't the same as witnessing during the waking state, and the finding that world champion athletes compared to non-world champion athletes show more of the same kind of EEG signature as long-term TMers do compared to short-term TM meditators, certainly suggests that there's something more going on... I was referring to witnessing during sleep. The signature TMers tout, is actually rather common. One would expect it to be common, at least to some extent. MMY's claim is that Cosmic Consciousness is what a stress-free human SHOULD be experiencing: it is the default state of a healthy adult human nervous system. Listening to William, I have to wonder if it's actually a variety of alpha intrusion? Or if it's the other way round? Alpha intrusion might be a glimpse of normal healthy sleep that is seen as unhealthy because it isn't what most people experience all the time? L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: States of Consciousness
Thank you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: New book: http://www.pdf-archive.com/2011/07/01/consciousness-states-cosic-2011/consciousness-states-cosic-2011.pdf chapter 10 is about enlightenment, TM-style by Fred Travis
Re: [FairfieldLife] States of Consciousness
Wow, does he mischaracterize shamatha mediation. Not a very honest presentation. But sadly, not surprising. On Jul 14, 2011, at 12:17 PM, sparaig wrote: New book: http://www.pdf-archive.com/2011/07/01/consciousness- states-cosic-2011/consciousness-states-cosic-2011.pdf chapter 10 is about enlightenment, TM-style by Fred Travis
[FairfieldLife] New Crop Circle near Stonehenge
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/stonehenge3/stonehenge2011c.html At Windmill Hill: http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/windmilhill/windmilhill2011a.html And near Stanton St Bernard: http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/StantonStBernard2/StantonStBernard2011b.html
[FairfieldLife] New Crop Circle, Honey Street, Alton Barnes
http://tinyurl.com/6bw9ltt
[FairfieldLife] first approved US Marian apparition site
http://www.catholictide.com/09/wisconsin-chapel-approved-as-first-us-marian-apparition-site/
[FairfieldLife] Re: first approved US Marian apparition site
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: http://www.catholictide.com/09/wisconsin-chapel-approved-as-first-us-marian-apparition-site/ Champion, Wis., Dec 9, 2010 / 05:22 am (CNA/EWTN News).- With approval from Bishop David L. Ricken of Green Bay, Wisconsin, a chapel in the town of Champion is now the first approved Marian apparition site in the United States. On Dec. 8, 2010 the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception the bishop decreed with moral certainty that the Virgin Mary had indeed appeared to a young Belgian immigrant woman, Adele Brise, on three occasions in October of 1859. Since 1861, the site of those apparitions has been home to a chapel dedicated to the Virgin Mary under her title Our Lady of Good Help. Following a two-year investigation of the alleged apparitions, Bishop Ricken proclaimed them worthy of belief, and confirmed his diocese's official recognition of the popular shrine. During each of those three apparitions, a lady in shining white clothes appeared to Adele. The third time, she identified herself as the Queen of Heaven who prays for the conversion of sinners. I wish you to do the same, she told the 28-year-old woman, who had intended to become a nun before coming to America. Adele and her family lived on a small homestead in Wisconsin, which had become a U.S. state only 11 years earlier. The Virgin Mary also gave her a mission of evangelism and catechesis: Gather the children in this wild country, and teach them what they should know for salvation Go and fear nothing. I will help you. Adele Brise went on to become a Third Order Franciscan. She traveled throughout the frontier state giving religious instruction to children and adults, striving to fulfill the heavenly mandate. Her work was especially important at a time when Wisconsin severely lacked priests, and simply attending church could involve a strenuous journey. Near the chapel, her community of Franciscan women also established a school. When a fire ravaged the area near the apparition site in 1871, the chapel and school were the only buildings left standing, along with their convent and a surrounding area of land consecrated to the Virgin Mary. In 1890, six years before she died, Sister Adele's adopted hometown of Robinsonville renamed itself after the Belgian town of Champion. The Franciscan sister had asked for the change, in honor of a childhood promise she had made to the Virgin Mary to enter a Belgian religious order in that region. Bishop Ricken told CNA that Sister Adele's own life was among the most convincing testimonies to the validity of the apparition. Rather than calling attention to herself or the apparitions, she had humbly devoted the rest of her life to fulfilling the instructions she had received. She went all over this area, and visited the homes that were scattered far and wide, Bishop Ricken said, recounting the sister's Franciscan spirit of humble simplicity. She walked most of the time, and she'd spend several days with the children teaching them the catechism and talking with the parents about their faith. She really had an evangelistic spirit and lived that out, not just immediately after the message, but her whole life long. Bishop Ricken said the simplicity and clarity of Mary's message also testified to the truth of the apparitions. Her instructions to Sister Adele were simple, but very much loaded with the main message of the Gospel and with the teachings of the Church. The bishop also recalled discovering countless stories of answered prayers, including reports of what many call miracles, among those who had visited the shrine to seeking intercession from Our Lady of Good Help. Although the bishop's approval of the apparitions is new, his recognition of the chapel's status as a diocesan shrine simply confirms what pilgrims have implicitly understood about the sacred place for over 150 years. Bishop Ricken explained that he has heard story after story of incredible cures and conversions and understands that the events of October 9, 1859 are still having life-changing effects among the faithful. Like the famous French apparition site at Lourdes, the shrine in Champion has a collection of crutches that pilgrims have discarded as unnecessary after receiving healing there. Fr. John Doefler, rector of the Shrine of Our Lady of Good Help, indicated there could be an even more profound connection between the Blessed Virgin's appearance in Lourdes, and the apparition to Adele Brise. He pointed out that she had appeared to Adele Brise one year after her appearances to St. Bernadette Soubirous, and announced herself in a way that connected both events. In Lourdes, Mary identifies herself as the Immaculate Conception, Fr. Doefler explained. Here, she identifies herself as the Queen of Heaven Between the two of them, it encompasses all of the Marian mysteries from the very beginning of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
William Parkinson: I tried to trace back my own mantra within the Advaita-shakti tradition and found that it was recorded in Shankara's 'Saundaryalahari.' According to the Shankaracharya of Sringeri, the Adi Shankara placed the Sri Chakra, symbol of Tripurasundari, with the TM mantras inscribed thereon, at each of the seats of learning - Dwarka, Puri, Sringeri, and at Jyotirmath. The mantras of TM are DIRECTLY related to Sri Vidya. It is also a fact that the cult of Sri Vidya was derived from the nath siddhas, tantric alchemists of medieval India, 99% of whom were Vajrayana Buddhists in the line of Nagarjuna! Read more: Sri Vidya: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/srividya.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And now for something completely different...
Thanks Curtis, I'm pleased that someone thinks my voice training is showing results. I knew Robin by reputation till he began posting on FFL. During his hay day I was as far from the TMO and Big G as I think one could get. But I still knew people in the movement, although I think they thought of me as more of a heavy un-dresser than a friend. There was no shortage of wankers claiming CC or GC when I was all in. It took years for me to understand the reason they made me so angry- was that they were forcing me to look more closely at Big M and more importantly at my own motivations for thinking of someone as my guru. When I heard about Robin I felt he was something different. From his story I felt he was a real artist. IOM, only an artist would look the TMO and Maharishi straight in the eye and push all his chips onto roulette red. Although I'm a businessman, I have nothing but affection for artists. That might explain my enjoyment of yours and Turqs posts. No matter what else Robin is I will always think of him as an artist. These days, claims of higher states of consciousness don't bother me much. I find them entertaining and try not to judge. I like to tell people: I think I'm tall but as the wife says If you're going to lie about something, why pick something so easy to disprove. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:30:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And now for something completely different... Hey Bob, Thanks for the heads up, it looks great and I've put in on my Netflix cue right after International Co-ed Jello Wrestling Showdown Extravaganza Championship (The one with the NR rating) I love that you movie was described as Emotional and Dark, right up my alley. I neglected to thank you for having my back in a few exchanges here. Much appreciated. I am enjoying the fact that you can post simultaneously wacky and profound which is the style I am a big fan of. BTW how do you know Robin? Only from the board? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Curtis, Thank you for this. The wife, recently, made me watch Rabbit Hole. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rabbit_hole/ Without I hope-spoiling anything, I feel, it might be a topical story in relation to some of your exchanges with Robin. On one level, it's a story about unbearable loss, the kind you either learn to deny or adopt as a presence, an other in your life, but never free yourself from. But on another level-it seemed to be saying: The question is not-Does God exist, but rather if he didn't exist-we'll have to invent him. I guess, what I liked about the film was that the writer(s) seemed to have no compulsion to resolve the uncertainty, the doubt. IOM, this is always the best type of writing. The character of the teenage boy is closest to the person I'd like  to be. The acting is consistently good, but the actor playing this boy shows more grief in a look than I knew was possible. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend. PS: I'm hoping Bill will be up for some exchanges on early Christianity.  From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:09:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] And now for something completely different...  An Austrian atheist has won the right to be shown on his driving-license photo wearing a pasta strainer as religious headgear. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14135523 What is so brilliant about this for me is that it shows the arbitrariness in societies protected beliefs. In every other area of human discourse you can point your finger and go bullshit when some makes an absurd claim like that the Holocaust never happened. But in the area of religion absurd claims are protected as if assumed sacred. It is a holdover from our tribal ancestry and is long overdue for a revising. Religion has protected so many bad ideas in societies and still does. And if the claims of religion were true, if the world really does work as they claim, then why be so touchy as if it is delicate? If their view is reality then is should hold up like any other set of beliefs with good reasons supporting them. But we treat these beliefs as fragile little flowers that can't stand up to a little challenge. So many religions claim that God want's us to wear special hats, or special underwear. The creator of the universe who spent about 260 million years on this planet alone with the dinosaurs, gets pissed off if you take a piece of fabric off your head. Well I guess it's OK as long as it only applies to women because God has universally made it clear in the world's scriptures how we should think of them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
In fact, Dan, two of the FFL moderators here use anonymous 'handles'. Rick Archer: Not true. There are three moderators. Alex and I use our real names. Gullible Fool is the only one who uses a handle, and he's not very active as a moderator... Apparently one FFL moderator has two handles.
[FairfieldLife] Adele Brise
pic of Adele Brise. http://www.irishcatholic.ie/site/files/image/December%202010/Adele%20Brise.jpg Virgin Mary supposedly appeared to her in 1859 in Wisconsin. The associated Church of Good Hope in Champion Wisconsin commemorates the only approved US Marian apparition site. Mentioned in CBS special last night...Beyond Belief. ... Also featured - one of those Medugorje intermediaries (or what New Agers might call channels) came to Alabama recently. People from all over the world flocked there. ... (Interesting case study in popular cults, showing among other things, that millions of cultist or Fundie Christians can group together for every yogic flyer. So go figure.) ...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: The TM mantras appear repeatedly in numerous different tantras. Tantric mantra dictionaries contain all of the TM mantras (and many, many more), along with their detailed meanings. Gotta admit that might be true, actually! Think 'twas prolly Mahaa-nirvaaNa-tantra or somesuch that has my mantra, or rather, the one-syllabic (is that a word?) version of it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
I want to thank everyone for being so gracious with their time and helping me come to a greater understanding about the issue of sleep and its relationship to TM. Regrettably, it has engendered some posts in directions that I never intended. For that I'm truly sorry. Nevertheless, I have received enough very helpful feedback to come to what I think is a proper understanding. It seems to me that prolonged use of TM will, in fact, change in some way my sleep patterns. Some here seem to feel that is not necessarily a bad thing, but others have clearly suffered from it. Given that I already have insomnia I think I'm going to steer clear of allowing myself to go into that level of cosmic consciousness. Accordingly, I'm going to restrict my TM practice to just 10 minutes, twice a day, preceded by 10 minutes of simple pranayama. Hopefully, I will still get some of the benefits that I feel from TM, but also not develop full-blown cosmic consciousness into my sleeping hours. Unlike Ravi, Jim, and perhaps Robin, I really find the whole notion of not sleeping very troubling. In any event I want to make this my last post on the subject, given that it has developed into some side issues that I never meant to dig up. At least we can put an end to this chapter on FLL and other discussions can ensue. I will respond to each person who has written lately in this one post. I hope I have the names right with each e-mail I saw posted. If I have made an error please forgive me. Thx so much Barry. I took your admonishment seriously and I felt, and do still feel, it was heartfelt. And yes you are right. I have taken them at their word, even though I know this is such a subjective thing. Nevertheless, even if they only got close to so-called 'Enlightenment' it is very interesting to talk to them and see what state of mind they were in and what effect it had on their personal lives. I regret that Robin left when he did. It would be so interesting if Travis and other researchers would try to document what people in UC look like encephalographically, as well as on PET scans. Thx Vaj for pointing that out. Yes I was aware that Saundaryalahari is alleged to be from Shankara, but I found out only very recently. It was here on FLL, not more then maybe a month ago, that someone mentioned this work and that there were mantras in it. That was my first exposure to it. So I looked up the work and saw my mantra there and the Ishta-devata that was associated with it. I had never been interested in the religious tradition which undergirds TM until now. I have been collecting files for roughly 15 years on the effects of meditation. Until this last month I had not really been interested in anything but the scientific aspects of meditation. So I thank that you have been willing to point these things out to me. I still have so much to learn when it comes to the background of these things. I do wish to mention one other thing. I don't think that what I had in the past, and still do to a certain point today, that is alpha intrusion, is the same as cosmic consciousness. The difference is one of thinking versus a deep inner silence that I am aware of now. Alpha intrusion is genuine insomnia (and it is still there, although not as bad as it used to be) where your mind turns over and over and it's hard to shut off your mind. As I understand it, and I admit I have never experienced it in sleep, it is the same phenomenon that I experience now in my wakeful state in quiet moments; viz., there is a second layer of complete silence that is very perceptible. I guess the best way to explain it is to use MMY's fondness for using the ocean as a way to comprehend meditation. Like everyone else I have the active, busy, mental aspect. That is the only thing I've ever been able to truly perceive outside of meditation. With others forms of meditation what I felt was a calming of this active, thinking layer. What I mean is that in my normal awakened state that is all I can normally perceive; toned down or otherwise. But after four months of TM there is a quite discernible second-level that has developed. It is more than just a quieting of my active mind; it is a perceptible second layer that is there now that does not leave and it is growing. But this level is completely silent. So, following MMY's analogy, the only thing I use to sense was the waves on top of the ocean, but now I also feel the depth of the ocean; a still, silent, depth that is the second layer in my personality. Actually I rather like it. It is definitely a calming influence. Be that as it may, you're still producing alpha waves and alpha activity; that is to say, you're still consciously aware, continually, of this silent layer. Granted that layer is not running thoughts over and over again in my mind; nevertheless that part of the mind is not going to shut off during sleep. And that is what I was really worried about.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: The TM mantras appear repeatedly in numerous different tantras. Tantric mantra dictionaries contain all of the TM mantras (and many, many more), along with their detailed meanings. Gotta admit that might be true, actually! Think 'twas prolly Mahaa-nirvaaNa-tantra or somesuch that has my mantra, or rather, the one-syllabic (is that a word?) version of it. http://www.sacred-texts.com/tantra/maha/maha07.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
Richard I love what you just wrote. This is all new to me. I am now rushing to Goggle!! I will say something soon. Thx!! Cheers Bill From: richardjwilliamstexas willy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?) William Parkinson: I tried to trace back my own mantra within the Advaita-shakti tradition and found that it was recorded in Shankara's 'Saundaryalahari.' According to the Shankaracharya of Sringeri, the Adi Shankara placed the Sri Chakra, symbol of Tripurasundari, with the TM mantras inscribed thereon, at each of the seats of learning - Dwarka, Puri, Sringeri, and at Jyotirmath. The mantras of TM are DIRECTLY related to Sri Vidya. It is also a fact that the cult of Sri Vidya was derived from the nath siddhas, tantric alchemists of medieval India, 99% of whom were Vajrayana Buddhists in the line of Nagarjuna! Read more: Sri Vidya: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/srividya.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: States of Consciousness
Vaj: Not a very honest presentation... According to Wallace, Samatha is calm abiding, a type of meditation designed to enhance sustained voluntary attention; a subset of the broader family of samadhi or meditation practices. Reginald Ray at the Shambhala Mountain Cente says Samatha is single-pointed focus of mind; a limb of Raja Yoga. So, it's just like TM in a way: meditation on objects. The unification leads to a very clear and direct experience of the nature of all things. This brings one very close to what is called the absolute truth. - Dzogchen Pönlop Rinpoche Works cited: 'The Attention Revolution' Unlocking the Power of the Focused Mind by Alan Wallace Wisdom Publications, 2006 page 6 and 131 'In the Presence of Masters' Wisdom from 30 Contemporary Tibetan Buddhist Teachers By Reginald Ray Shambhala Publications, 2004 page 69 and 76
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
Derealization during pain isn't the same as witnessing during the waking state... Vaj: I was referring to witnessing during sleep. In TM, 'witnessing' in waking state refers to the ability of yogis to 'witness' the Being - the Transcendental Absolute. yoga citta vritti nirodha. Yoga Sutra I.1.2 Yoga is the cessation of the mental turnings of the mind. When thought ceases, the Transcendental Absolute stands by itself, refers to Itself, as a witness to the world. - Swami Venkatesananda http://www.swamivenkatesananda.com/
[FairfieldLife] How to pronounce the mantras
I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Cheers Bill Transcendental Meditation TM Transcendental Meditation is a specific and wonderful technique of mantra meditation that has been discovered and developed by the great and famous Gurudev Shri Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in the 20th century. I have been initiated at young age while I was a teenager and later in my life I became initiated again for the second time. I have tried a lot of mantras and meditations, but I must admit that Maharishi 's technique and insight still is the best and most effective of all meditation techniques. The mantras that are used are derived and modified versions of the originial Sanskrit Tantric Shakti Beej Beeja Bija Mantras (AIM or AING for Godess Sarasvati, SHRIM or SHRING for Godess Laksmi, HRIM or HRING for Godess Maheshvari and KRIM or KRING for Godess Kali) which are commonly found in the books and traditions of Tantric Hinduism. Maharishi has modified these sanskrit mantras in a specific way such that they are very easy to think. By this modification the mantras also possess a very special quality : the have the specific quality to be thought and experienced at finer levels very easily in comparison to the original Sanskrit versions (see above) and also in comparison to other thoughts or objects of meditation. It is his genius and accomlishment that he discovered and developed this. The modificated mantras are : SHRIM or SHRING (original sanskrit version) becomes modified (TM version) : SHEARING or SHEARIM HRIM or HRING (original sanskrit version) becomes modified (TM version) : HEARING or HEARIM KRIM or KRING (original sanskrit version) becomes modified (TM version) : KEARING or KEARIM AIM or AING (orginal sankrit version) becomes modified (TM version) :ING, IM, INGA, IMA, AING, AIM, AINGA or AIMA SHYAM (original sanskrit version) becomes modified (TM version) : SHEEYAM Correct Pronuniciation : the EA is pronounced as the EA in HEAR or EAR the Iis pronounced as the I in SING or RING the A in SHEEYAM is pronounced as the A in ARMY the AI in AING or AIM is pronounced as the I in I'm Method of giving the mantras : In TM the mantras are given according to the age at the time of initiation : Age group between 0 and 10 years : ING is used Pronounce as ING in Swing Age group between 10 and 12 years : IM is used Pronounce as IM in DIM Age group between 12 and 14 years : INGA is used Pronounce as ING in Swing and A in Ah Age group between 14 and 16 years : IMA is used Pronounce as IM in dim and A in Ah Age group between 16 and 18 years : AING is used Pronounce as eye+ING Age group between 18 and 20 years : AIM is used Pronounce as I'm Age group between 20 and 22 years : AINGA is used Pronounce as eye+ING+A withe the A as in Ah Age group between 22 and 24 years : AIMA is used Pronounce as I+EEM (as in Seem)+ A as in Ah Age group between 24 and 30 years : SHEARING is used Pronounce as the EA in Shear and the ING in swing Age group between 30 and 34 years : SHEARIM is used Pronounce as EA in Shear and IM in dim Age group between 35 and 39 years (in America) : HEARING is used Pronounce as EA in Hear and ING in ring Age group between 35 and 39 years (in Europe) : HEREENG is used Pronounce as E in hedge and EE in see Age group between 40 and 44 years (in America) : HEARIM is used Pronounce as EA in hear and IM in dim Age group between 40 and 44 years (in Europe) : HEREEM is used Pronounce as E in hedge and EE in see Age group between 45 and 49 years : KEARING is used Pronounce as EA in dear and ING in ring Age group between 50 and 55 years : KEARIM is used Pronounce as EA in ear and IM as in dim Age group between 55 and 60 years : SHEEYAM is used Pronounce the EE as in See+ A (as in Army)+M Age group of 60 years and above : SHEEYAM is used Pronounce the EE as in see'+A (as in Army)+M official TM teacher guide to tell to students. The main principle during Transcendental Meditation is thinking the mantra effortlessly : In this meditation, we do not concentrate, we do not try to think the mantra clearly. Mental repetition is not a clear pronunciation, rather it is a faint idea. We don't try to make a rhythm of the mantra. We don't try to control thoughts. We do not wish that thoughts should not come. If a thought comes, we do not try to push it out. We don't feel sorry about it. When a thought comes, the mind is completely absorbed in the
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:  I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Cheers Bill   You've meditated what, 6 months and already mixed up ? That's what you get when you don't pay attention to what the TM-Teacher tells you. Good luck to you, but please have a checking as soon as possible !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
William Parkinson: This is all new to me... The Sri Vidya, because it consists of 'indestructible seed' syllables (bijas) rather than words, transcends such mundane considerations as semantic meaning. Accordingly, a bija-only mantra is not merely esoteric but inherently superior. Because it is purely seed-syllables [bijasaras] is the purest form of mantra. It does not make a request or praise god, it is God's purest expression. Gayatri is great but it cannot match srividya because it is still in language; it is Veda and mantra but when transformed into the srividya its greatness increases (95). Work cited: Auspicious Wisdon The texts and traditions of Srividya Sakta Tantrism in South India. by Douglas Renfrew Brooks SUNY 1992
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Nab, I do know how to pronounce my mantra, at least as it was told to me. But what is here is different. Excuse my curiosity Cheers Bill PS- My training was, after all, 11 years ago!! From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:  I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Cheers Bill   You've meditated what, 6 months and already mixed up ? That's what you get when you don't pay attention to what the TM-Teacher tells you. Good luck to you, but please have a checking as soon as possible !
Re: [FairfieldLife] How to pronounce the mantras
You have opened a whole can of worms here. I've watched for years different tantra school argue over whether the beej mantras should have use the ng ending or the m ending. They have slightly different effects as far as resonance patterns go. And Indians given their nature will argue passionately over this, making the arguments on FFL look very wimpy (I'm sure Ravi will agree). Pronunciation is as taught in other traditions more felt than clearly mentally pronounced. This practice is age old and not something unique with TM though some people believe it to be. I'm curious if your TM teacher required SCI before initiation? We used to require that if someone had practiced other techniques before coming to TM. They may have discontinued this. Otherwise some people might stress on the mantra particularly if they come mind holding concentration techniques. I had one person who lied to me and another teacher about their background. They indeed should have take the SCI course to clarify the practice. Turns out he had traveled in India and Asia and had learned other techniques. He knew the meaning of his mantra in Japanese which confused him. He had all kinds of problems trying to practice TM. OTOH, I had practiced other techniques before TM but fell right into the correct practice immediately. BTW, awareness during sleep as in CC is not insomnia. It's more like a thick cloud coming over and when you roll over and look at the clock and it can be hours later even though the experience seemed brief. So weird how time is relative. And you awaken refreshed. And you may also dream while in that state which is witnessing the dream rather than being in it. On 07/14/2011 12:28 PM, William Parkinson wrote: I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Cheers Bill Transcendental Meditation TM Transcendental Meditation is a specific and wonderful technique of mantra meditation that has been discovered and developed by the great and famous Gurudev Shri Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in the 20th century. I have been initiated at young age while I was a teenager and later in my life I became initiated again for the second time. I have tried a lot of mantras and meditations, but I must admit that Maharishi 's technique and insight still is the best and most effective of all meditation techniques. The mantras that are used are derived and modified versions of the originial Sanskrit Tantric Shakti Beej Beeja Bija Mantras (AIM or AING for Godess Sarasvati, SHRIM or SHRING for Godess Laksmi, HRIM or HRING for Godess Maheshvari and KRIM or KRING for Godess Kali) which are commonly found in the books and traditions of Tantric Hinduism. Maharishi has modified these sanskrit mantras in a specific way such that they are very easy to think. By this modification the mantras also possess a very special quality : the have the specific quality to be thought and experienced at finer levels very easily in comparison to the original Sanskrit versions (see above) and also in comparison to other thoughts or objects of meditation. It is his genius and accomlishment that he discovered and developed this. The modificated mantras are : SHRIM or SHRING (original sanskrit version) becomes modified (TM version) : SHEARING or SHEARIM HRIM or HRING (original sanskrit version) becomes modified (TM version) : HEARING or HEARIM KRIM or KRING (original sanskrit version) becomes modified (TM version) : KEARING or KEARIM AIM or AING (orginal sankrit version) becomes modified (TM version) :ING, IM, INGA, IMA, AING, AIM, AINGA or AIMA SHYAM (original sanskrit version) becomes modified (TM version) : SHEEYAM Correct Pronuniciation : the EA is pronounced as the EA in HEAR or EAR the Iis pronounced as the I in SING or RING the A in SHEEYAM is pronounced as the A in ARMY the AI in AING or AIM is pronounced as the I in I'm Method of giving the mantras : In TM the mantras are given according to the age at the time of initiation : Age group between 0 and 10 years : ING is usedPronounce as ING in Swing Age group between 10 and 12 years : IM is used Pronounce as IM in DIM Age group between 12 and 14 years : INGA is used Pronounce as ING in Swing and A in Ah Age group between 14 and 16 years : IMA is used Pronounce as IM in dim and A in Ah Age group between 16 and 18 years : AING is used Pronounce
Re: [FairfieldLife] first approved US Marian apparition site
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[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
William Parkinson: I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught... Though disputed by somemost in the Shankaracharya tradition practice samaya sri vidya and accept that he wrote several tantric texts including Saundaryalahari, etc, etc. - James Duffy Read more: Subject: Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya From: James Duffy Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: April 28, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/2drn7gp I tried to trace back my own mantra within the Advaita-shakti tradition and found that it was recorded in Shankara's 'Saundaryalahari.' According to the Shankaracharya of Sringeri, the Adi Shankara placed the Sri Chakra, symbol of Tripurasundari, with the TM mantras inscribed thereon, at each of the seats of learning - Dwarka, Puri, Sringeri, and at Jyotirmath. The mantras of TM are DIRECTLY related to Sri Vidya. It is also a fact that the cult of Sri Vidya was derived from the nath siddhas, tantric alchemists of medieval India, 99% of whom were Vajrayana Buddhists in the line of Nagarjuna! Read more: Sri Vidya: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/srividya.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: [...] Thank you also Turq (Lawson) for your warm welcome too. There is much I still have to learn about TM, but also about the members here. Still it has been heuristically useful for me to say the least!  Um I note that you not only confused me with someone else but you never bothered to respond to my links to research on stuff... Gotta wonder. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:  I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Sigh, are you SURE you have learned TM? Have you ever been checked? Starting to think that WIlliam is a troll... L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: Nab, I do know how to pronounce my mantra, at least as it was told to me. But what is here is different. Excuse my curiosity Cheers Bill PS- My training was, after all, 11 years ago!! Stop this nonsense. Either you listen to what the teacher says, or you choose to do someting else. Simple.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Troll:http://www.janbrett.com/mobile_troll.htm (Ha!...Gotcha...) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote:  I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Sigh, are you SURE you have learned TM? Have you ever been checked? Starting to think that WIlliam is a troll... L.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Bill, Many thanks for your posts. Have you studied much about the early Christian church (probably a silly question), say the crucifixion to AD 337? We had an excellent series of exchanges started before Robin retired and I would enjoy a few more. I wouldn't worry too much about the Nabster, he suffers from what is fondly referred to on FFL as PAS (post abduction syndrome). He generously shares a lot of images of crop circles. The current thinking is that he may have been on the ship that made most of them. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:50:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:  I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Cheers Bill   You've meditated what, 6 months and already mixed up ? That's what you get when you don't pay attention to what the TM-Teacher tells you. Good luck to you, but please have a checking as soon as possible !
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote: Nab, I do know how to pronounce my mantra, at least as it was told to me. But what is here is different. Excuse my curiosity Cheers Bill PS- My training was, after all, 11 years ago!! Stop this nonsense. Either you listen to what the teacher says, or you choose to do someting else. Simple. Many people believe that they MUST start thinking their mantra exactly the same way every time. I think MY decided that if they didn't intuit from what they were told that this was a bit anal, that it was counter-productive to make the hints any stronger than they already are. But, I'll just say that after nearly 40 years of practicing TM, it takes quite a bit of effort sometimes to remember exactly how my mantra was pronounced when I was given it. Oh wait, TM is effortless... Did MMY lie or is there something to be learned from the realization that attempting to remember a specific pronunciation from 38 years ago is often extremely difficult? L
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:  I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Cheers Bill   You don't need to second guess your teacher. Practice it as you were taught. This is not a distinction that matters outside Vedic studies. TM is not that touchy. I know they made a big deal out of the mantra thing but don't sweat it, your mantra is fine. I agree that you should get a checking so they can get you off this worry about the pronunciation of the mantra. It changes inside as you repeat it anyway so don't get into a mind trip about comparing what you read with what you heard. If you trust your teacher for the technique, trust him with the pronunciation. If you don't trust him try something else. TM is a way to chill out, not get hyper about pronunciation of the mantra. I was a TM teacher and that is my opinion. Transcendental Meditation TM  Transcendental Meditation is a specific and wonderful technique of mantra meditation that has been discovered and developed by the great and famous Gurudev Shri Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in the 20th century. I have been initiated at young age while I was a teenager and later in my life I became initiated again for the second time. I have tried a lot of mantras and meditations, but I must admit that Maharishi 's technique and insight still is the best and most effective of all meditation techniques.  The mantras that are used are derived and modified versions of the originial Sanskrit Tantric Shakti Beej Beeja Bija Mantras (AIM or AING for Godess Sarasvati, SHRIM or SHRING for Godess Laksmi, HRIM or HRING for Godess Maheshvari and KRIM or KRING for Godess Kali) which are commonly found in the books and traditions of Tantric Hinduism.  Maharishi has modified these sanskrit mantras in a specific way such that they are very easy to think. By this modification the mantras also possess a very special quality : the have the specific quality to be thought and experienced at finer levels very easily in comparison to the original Sanskrit versions (see above) and also in comparison to other thoughts or objects of meditation. It is his genius and accomlishment that he discovered and developed this.   The modificated mantras are :   SHRIM or SHRING (original sanskrit version) becomes modified (TM version) : SHEARING or SHEARIM  HRIM or HRING (original sanskrit version) becomes modified (TM version) : HEARING or HEARIM  KRIM or KRING (original sanskrit version) becomes modified (TM version) : KEARING or KEARIM  AIM or AING (orginal sankrit version) becomes modified (TM version) :ING, IM, INGA, IMA, AING, AIM, AINGA or AIMA  SHYAM (original sanskrit version) becomes modified (TM version) : SHEEYAM   Correct Pronuniciation : the EA is pronounced as the EA in HEAR or EAR                                              the Iis pronounced as the I in SING or RING                                                                                           the A in SHEEYAM is pronounced as the A in ARMY                                                                         the AI in AING or AIM is pronounced as the I in I'm   Method of giving the mantras :   In TM the mantras are given according to the age at the time of initiation :   Age group between 0 and 10 years : ING is used   Pronounce as ING in Swing  Age group between 10 and 12 years : IM is used  Pronounce as IM in DIM  Age group between 12 and 14 years : INGA is used  Pronounce as ING in Swing and A in Ah  Age group between 14 and 16 years : IMA is used  Pronounce as IM in dim and A in Ah  Age group between 16 and 18 years : AING is used  Pronounce as eye+ING  Age group between 18 and 20 years : AIM is used Pronounce as I'm  Age group between 20 and 22 years : AINGA is used Pronounce as eye+ING+A withe the A as in Ah  Age group between 22 and 24 years : AIMA is used Pronounce as I+EEM (as in Seem)+ A as in Ah  Age group between 24 and 30 years : SHEARING is used Pronounce as the EA in Shear and the ING in swing  Age group between 30 and 34 years : SHEARIM is used Pronounce as EA in Shear and IM in dim  Age group between 35 and 39 years (in America) : HEARING is used Pronounce as EA in Hear and ING in ring  Age group between 35 and 39 years (in Europe) : HEREENG is used Pronounce
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
On 07/13/2011 09:14 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 07/13/2011 12:17 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: [...] You probably know that most brain wave research would say that deep sleep would be the delta state which is possible to produce through meditation too. Back in the 1970s I was part of a university study on meditation and had an EEG test. The researcher was looking for alpha waves but I produced theta. We now know that theta states (as well as delta) are signs of deeper states of mediation. I don't know why the movement keeps pushing alpha states. The most consistent EEG changes during TM they have found are in the Alpha band in certain parts of the brain, especially during episodes of pure consciousness. There's no justifiable reason to push anything else. L. Sure, because TM is only yoga lite. :-D Just simple breathing exercises can produce alpha states. WEll, yes. Simply closing the eyes can produce alpha states. There's alpha states and then there's alpha states. L. Really? How so? You mean there is wiggle room? :-D Why not just be honest and say that TM like other methods can produce alpha states? Hang the marketing on other factors such as price. Obviously if you're paying such a high price you MUST be getting a superior technique. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] How to pronounce the mantras
On Jul 14, 2011, at 3:28 PM, William Parkinson wrote: I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Honestly, while this is interesting, the best way is to be instructed in the Sanskrit alphabet's proper pronunciation and where those sounds occur in the mouth. Then learn the mantras according to the proper Sanskrit pronunciation and where they occur in the vault of the the mouth.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:06 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: [...] Thank you also Turq (Lawson) for your warm welcome too. There is much I still have to learn about TM, but also about the members here. Still it has been heuristically useful for me to say the least!  Um I note that you not only confused me with someone else but you never bothered to respond to my links to research on stuff... Gotta wonder. I believe he is deeply familiar with meditation research in general.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
below...vault of the mouth. Nope - as stated or implied by others; those people excessively concerned about authentic pronunciation apparently don't have a clue about TM and probably were not initiated into it. http://skeletonart.com/Detailed/739.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 14, 2011, at 3:28 PM, William Parkinson wrote: I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Honestly, while this is interesting, the best way is to be instructed in the Sanskrit alphabet's proper pronunciation and where those sounds occur in the mouth. Then learn the mantras according to the proper Sanskrit pronunciation and where they occur in the vault of the the mouth.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:08 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:  I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Sigh, are you SURE you have learned TM? Have you ever been checked? Starting to think that WIlliam is a troll... One POV worth considering is that since TM does not generally oppose the mantra changing in sound or quality or speed, etc., ones mantra could change and they would not remember the original sound they were given, but the morphed version. I know mine morphed so that I had to be re-told it on checking several times... It's one of the pitfalls of the technique and it's instruction, esp. since initiators do not generally know Sanskrit and proper Sanskrit or Dakini language pronunciations. One thing William could consider is visiting a saint like Amma and ask for your full mantra. You could also be initiated into your yantra if you so desired.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:21 PM, sparaig wrote: Oh wait, TM is effortless... Did MMY lie or is there something to be learned from the realization that attempting to remember a specific pronunciation from 38 years ago is often extremely difficult? If you knew basic Sanskrit pronunciation (very fun and easy to learn) and how your mantra was spelt, you'd never forget. One fun practice is writing your bija in mantric language (which is a variant of Devanagari).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Yifu wrote: below...vault of the mouth. Nope - as stated or implied by others; those people excessively concerned about authentic pronunciation apparently don't have a clue about TM and probably were not initiated into it. Then they don't understand namarupa, name-and-form.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
I am so sorry L. As I mentioned at the beginning, I might get people confused. I think I still have what you wrote to me and I will look at those links today, when I get back home. Thanks again!! Cheers Bill From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: [...] Thank you also Turq (Lawson) for your warm welcome too. There is much I still have to learn about TM, but also about the members here. Still it has been heuristically useful for me to say the least!  Um I note that you not only confused me with someone else but you never bothered to respond to my links to research on stuff... Gotta wonder. L.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Yes I was taught and taught well (at least I thought so) by a thoughtful and helpful TM teacher in Vancouver B.C. I ask only as academic matter; this is different that what I was taught. Cheers Bill From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:  I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Sigh, are you SURE you have learned TM? Have you ever been checked? Starting to think that WIlliam is a troll... L.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Thank you for your concern Nab. Now does anyone have anything constructive to say? Cheers Bill From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote: Nab, I do know how to pronounce my mantra, at least as it was told to me. But what is here is different. Excuse my curiosity Cheers Bill PS- My training was, after all, 11 years ago!! Stop this nonsense. Either you listen to what the teacher says, or you choose to do someting else. Simple. Many people believe that they MUST start thinking their mantra exactly the same way every time. I think MY decided that if they didn't intuit from what they were told that this was a bit anal, that it was counter-productive to make the hints any stronger than they already are. But, I'll just say that after nearly 40 years of practicing TM, it takes quite a bit of effort sometimes to remember exactly how my mantra was pronounced when I was given it. Oh wait, TM is effortless... Did MMY lie or is there something to be learned from the realization that attempting to remember a specific pronunciation from 38 years ago is often extremely difficult? L
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: One thing William could consider is visiting a saint like Amma and ask for your full mantra. You could also be initiated into your yantra if you so desired. Yes, that's a brilliant advice from Vaj; since he already is confused why not get him really, reaaly mixed up !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Bob, there are some colorful people involved with Eastern traditions, to be sure. In fact the person with that website thinks of himself as a 21rst Century maharishi. It is fine with me if Nab wants to be testy. I will reply in a collegial fashion, which is what I am used to. I wish Nab only the best. And by the way, thank you for your continued kindness!! For me personally, that is the only metric of spiritual development that really means anything to me. Cheers Bill From: Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras Bill, Many thanks for your posts. Have you studied much about the early Christian church (probably a silly question), say the crucifixion to AD 337? We had an excellent series of exchanges started before Robin retired and I would enjoy a few more. I wouldn't worry too much about the Nabster, he suffers from what is fondly referred to on FFL as PAS (post abduction syndrome). He generously shares a lot of images of crop circles. The current thinking is that he may have been on the ship that made most of them. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:50:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:  I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Cheers Bill   You've meditated what, 6 months and already mixed up ? That's what you get when you don't pay attention to what the TM-Teacher tells you. Good luck to you, but please have a checking as soon as possible !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
I was taught and still have my receipt. Goodness!! I ask as a curiosity. Is it not possible to discuss these issues rationally and in a collegial fashion? Cheers Bill From: Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras below...vault of the mouth. Nope - as stated or implied by others; those people excessively concerned about authentic pronunciation apparently don't have a clue about TM and probably were not initiated into it. http://skeletonart.com/Detailed/739.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 14, 2011, at 3:28 PM, William Parkinson wrote: I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Honestly, while this is interesting, the best way is to be instructed in the Sanskrit alphabet's proper pronunciation and where those sounds occur in the mouth. Then learn the mantras according to the proper Sanskrit pronunciation and where they occur in the vault of the the mouth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: Thank you for your concern Nab. Now does anyone have anything constructive to say? Cheers Bill Only glad to help :-) But if you disregard my constructive advice I can say with certaincy that you will travel further into the dead-end-road you have started leading nowhere. I can assure you that you will not receive a more constructive advise on this forum than having a checking the sooner the better.
Re: [FairfieldLife] How to pronounce the mantras
On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Bhairitu wrote: You have opened a whole can of worms here. I've watched for years different tantra school argue over whether the beej mantras should have use the ng ending or the m ending. The traditional schtick I was given was that the M ending was written to avoid accidentally invoking the actual power of the mantra with the true -ng or nada-bindu ending...
[FairfieldLife] A word from St. Paul
1 Corinthians 13 American Standard Version (ASV) 1If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal. 2And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing. 4Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil; 6rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth; 7beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; 10but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away. 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things. 12For now we see in a mirror, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully known. 13But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Bill Yours is a natural question for anyone trying to understand what a meditation mantra actually is. However you have cited only one attempt to explain how to produce the sounds of these bija mantra-s. Even if you cited many different people, without knowing how to pronounce Sanskrit this topic will remain somewhat confusing to you. In the end you will still be left positioned exactly where you are now dependent upon someone else to tell you how they pronounce it themselves or else the old reduction to my guru sez. Be aware that Maharishi worked out a way to impart bija mantras to Westerners who are not used to pronouncing semi-vowels when conjoined with consonants. Also be aware that much of these Web attempts you are seeing are nothing but the guesses of the posters and that some of them are actually quite wrong. This is another illustration of why classically trained pandits require so many years of specialized training before becoming proficient. Additionally, be aware that the anusvara endings (-n, -ng, -m) of Sanskrit words are pronounced according to their placement in the standard five oral articulations of human speech sounds in Sanskrit. Not all of these exist in English. And to make it even more confusing, understand that the pandits in differing parts of India pronounce some of these sounds in variant ways. As an ending note, I'll repeat a previous post of mine: All modern Western scholars of Shankara or Advaita firmly reject the claim that Adi-Shankara was the author of either Ananda-Larari or Saundarya-Lahari. Although some devotional Advaitin-s may praise these texts/songs, they are still Shakta (goddess) literature, which is non-dualist in orientation. However, Adaivtin-s can perform any legitimate practice as long as he/she maintains the non-dual view. That includes the Tantric practices of Shri Vidya and Shri Chakra, now found by amalgamation among many advaitins. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: I was taught and still have my receipt. Goodness!! I ask as a curiosity. Is it not possible to discuss these issues rationally and in a collegial fashion? Cheers Bill From: Yifu yifuxero@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras  below...vault of the mouth. Nope - as stated or implied by others; those people excessively concerned about authentic pronunciation apparently don't have a clue about TM and probably were not initiated into it. http://skeletonart.com/Detailed/739.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 14, 2011, at 3:28 PM, William Parkinson wrote: I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Honestly, while this is interesting, the best way is to be instructed in the Sanskrit alphabet's proper pronunciation and where those sounds occur in the mouth. Then learn the mantras according to the proper Sanskrit pronunciation and where they occur in the vault of the the mouth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Bill, the information you cite differs from what I learned on my TM teacher training course. I suggest you have this conversation with your TM teacher. You've seen what a runaround you get here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:  I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Cheers Bill
Re: [FairfieldLife] How to pronounce the mantras
On 07/14/2011 02:15 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Bhairitu wrote: You have opened a whole can of worms here. I've watched for years different tantra school argue over whether the beej mantras should have use the ng ending or the m ending. The traditional schtick I was given was that the M ending was written to avoid accidentally invoking the actual power of the mantra with the true -ng or nada-bindu ending... Yup, with the Kali tradition I'm in it's the ng ending. Do you find it a little funny that both are used in TM?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Thank you Nab. I am in contact with the local teacher here and did get checked when I started again. (Annie Skipper in Kirkland WA.) Bear in mind Nab that I meditate only to improve myself. I am not as serious as some have been. So for me, if I am not saying it correct, that is ok. It is working and much faster than I thought. I assumed it might take three or four years to even have to worry about the issue of cosmic consciousness and yet here I am going into the fifth month and it's already quite palpable, which is exactly why I consulted this forum. I thought I better find out right here and now about its impact on sleep. But thank you for your concern, I appreciate it. Cheers Bill From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: Thank you for your concern Nab. Now does anyone have anything constructive to say? Cheers Bill Only glad to help :-) But if you disregard my constructive advice I can say with certaincy that you will travel further into the dead-end-road you have started leading nowhere. I can assure you that you will not receive a more constructive advise on this forum than having a checking the sooner the better.
Re: [FairfieldLife] How to pronounce the mantras
On 07/14/2011 01:27 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jul 14, 2011, at 3:28 PM, William Parkinson wrote: I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Honestly, while this is interesting, the best way is to be instructed in the Sanskrit alphabet's proper pronunciation and where those sounds occur in the mouth. Then learn the mantras according to the proper Sanskrit pronunciation and where they occur in the vault of the the mouth. And then we have northern Indian and southern Indian Sanskrit pronunciation. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Emptybill, you have hit on it exactly! This was another point of interest. The author of the article claims that Maharishi changed the mantras, but didn't really state why, other than to make them easier. You have framed this change within the context of making it more palatable to a Western audience. This is a very rational and reasonable proposition. People on FFL need to understand something. Since I have returned to TM, people consistently ask me about it. And I want to be as accurate as I can in everything I tell them. I deeply appreciate you pointing this out to me. It certainly has the ring of truth! Cheers Bill From: emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras Bill Yours is a natural question for anyone trying to understand what a meditation mantra actually is. However you have cited only one attempt to explain how to produce the sounds of these bija mantra-s. Even if you cited many different people, without knowing how to pronounce Sanskrit this topic will remain somewhat confusing to you. In the end you will still be left positioned exactly where you are now – dependent upon someone else to tell you how they pronounce it themselves or else the old reduction to my guru sez. Be aware that Maharishi worked out a way to impart bija mantras to Westerners who are not used to pronouncing semi-vowels when conjoined with consonants. Also be aware that much of these Web attempts you are seeing are nothing but the guesses of the posters and that some of them are actually quite wrong. This is another illustration of why classically trained pandits require so many years of specialized training before becoming proficient. Additionally, be aware that the anusvara endings (-n, -ng, -m) of Sanskrit words are pronounced according to their placement in the standard five oral articulations of human speech sounds in Sanskrit. Not all of these exist in English. And to make it even more confusing, understand that the pandits in differing parts of India pronounce some of these sounds in variant ways. As an ending note, I'll repeat a previous post of mine: All modern Western scholars of Shankara or Advaita firmly reject the claim that Adi-Shankara was the author of either Ananda-Larari or Saundarya-Lahari. Although some devotional Advaitin-s may praise these texts/songs, they are still Shakta (goddess) literature, which is non-dualist in orientation. However, Adaivtin-s can perform any legitimate practice as long as he/she maintains the non-dual view. That includes the Tantric practices of Shri Vidya and Shri Chakra, nowfound by amalgamation among many advaitins.……… --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: I was taught and still have my receipt. Goodness!! I ask as a curiosity. Is it not possible to discuss these issues rationally and in a collegial fashion? Cheers Bill From: Yifu yifuxero@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras  below...vault of the mouth. Nope - as stated or implied by others; those people excessively concerned about authentic pronunciation apparently don't have a clue about TM and probably were not initiated into it. http://skeletonart.com/Detailed/739.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 14, 2011, at 3:28 PM, William Parkinson wrote: I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Honestly, while this is interesting, the best way is to be instructed in the Sanskrit alphabet's proper pronunciation and where those sounds occur in the mouth. Then learn the mantras according to the proper Sanskrit pronunciation and where they occur in the vault of the the mouth.
[FairfieldLife] Indian lunch
Until today I hadn't eaten at an Indian restaurant in a couple years. My favorite south Indian restaurant, 7 miles away, raised its prices a couple years ago and when I went there on a Saturday for lunch the place was nearly empty. In prior times it would have been crowded for a Saturday lunch. They feature an enormous buffet and the price back then was $7. The last time I was there it was $11 and out of the price range for the nearby tech employee lunch. The reason for the price increase was a rent increase plus remodeling of all the shops in that building. So much to my surprise yesterday when going to the health food store two miles away I noticed that the nearby strip mall now has an Indian restaurant. So I decided to try it for lunch today. The buffet though small was wonderful and priced at $8. And the waiter brought fresh hot naan to the table which is something that other locations are lacking. And it tells you how much I pay attention to that strip mall as when I asked the restaurant has been open 10 months.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
LOL thank you JP. When I first saw the list I noticed he added European versions. I thought maybe he was European and that this was simply his way of pronouncing it. But on his website he claims to be an American doctor, who in his own estimation is a 21st-century Maharishi. I find it all very fascinating, even if it is sometimes confusing to me! Cheers Bill From: jpgillam jpgil...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras Bill, the information you cite differs from what I learned on my TM teacher training course. I suggest you have this conversation with your TM teacher. You've seen what a runaround you get here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:  I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Cheers Bill
Re: [FairfieldLife] How to pronounce the mantras
On Jul 14, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote: On 07/14/2011 02:15 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Bhairitu wrote: You have opened a whole can of worms here. I've watched for years different tantra school argue over whether the beej mantras should have use the ng ending or the m ending. The traditional schtick I was given was that the M ending was written to avoid accidentally invoking the actual power of the mantra with the true -ng or nada-bindu ending... Yup, with the Kali tradition I'm in it's the ng ending. Do you find it a little funny that both are used in TM? I always hoped it was an attempt to approximate the sounds as best as could be expected, for westerners. It's a lineage without any known foundation, so it still has me scratching my head. I put away my fear of corrupting my mantra and just tried to find the best resources I could - as I believe you did as well. I'm happy with what I found and the people I met, from beginning to end. Interestingly in tantric anatomy, there's actually considered to be a subtle chakra on the tip of the epiglottis for -ng, right where the -ng sound goes. And there used to be, I'm told, a TM advanced technique for letting go of that subtle sensation of the -ng. True? Dunno. I found that surprisingly subtle and if true, a testament to Maharishis subtle appreciation of mantra.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A word from St. Paul
I agree wholeheartedly! What good is Enlightenment, if you do not have an increase in love and compassion for your fellow man? And in my own personal view, compassion for the animals also. I have a distinctly Jaina streak in me. I am nearly a vegan, and like a Jain, I look where I walk so as I don't step on anything. This world has enough suffering in it and I have no desire to add to it. Thank you again Bob! A very poignant post. Cheers Bill From: Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A word from St. Paul 1 Corinthians 13 American Standard Version (ASV) 1If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal. 2And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing. 4Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil; 6rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth; 7beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; 10but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away. 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things. 12For now we see in a mirror, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully known. 13But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
emptybill: All modern Western scholars of Shankara or Advaita firmly reject the claim that Adi-Shankara was the author of either Ananda-Larari or Saundarya-Lahari. Maybe so, but as TMers we are not concerned with what most Western scholars think about Shankara. It is a fact that all the Dasanami Sannyasins worship the Sri Vidya and accept the Adi Shankara as the author of the Saundarylahri. That's why at all the Ammnya Mathas founded by Shankara you will find the Sri Chakra ensconced on the mandir. Our Guru Dev was a Sri Vidya adherent and his master, Swami Krishnaanada was a Sri Vidya practitioner. So, we TMers have a direct connection to the Sringeri Matha, through Brahmananda Saraswati. Bija 'mantras', by definition, have no semantic meaning - that's why they're called 'mantras' instead of being called 'words'. If the bijas were Sanskrit words, there would be no need for a definition of them, since their meaning would be obvious to anyone who could read a Sanskrit lexicon. So, let's review: In basic TM you get the single seed sound (bija) and later the fertilizer; and you get the simple set of instructions for the correct angle to dive. So, it has now been established that at least two of the most sacred bija-mantras, out of the fifteen, contained in the Saundaryalahari, are in fact, TM bija-mantras. Read more: Subject: Guru Dev and Mantrayana Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December 17, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/ykp6rhs On the origin of the TM bija mantras: Bija mantras issued by TM are ''Sri Vidya'' bija mantras. To be fair, I won't go into what they are, but if one listens to all TM mantras, except for 2, they are 2 or 3 syllable, and this is a very important component of the technique... Subject: Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya Author: Billy Smith Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: April 22, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/ye8my2 You are getting warmer when it comes to understanding TM's origins with your posts regarding the Shankaracharya tradition and its practice of Srividya... Subject: Re: TM: Siva Sutra Author: James Duffy Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.yoga, alt.meditation Date: September 21, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/yjwa2yr
Re: [FairfieldLife] A word from St. Paul
Bob did you mean 37C.E.? I have never heard of a 337C.E. date. Is that what you meant? Cheers Bill From: Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A word from St. Paul 1 Corinthians 13 American Standard Version (ASV) 1If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal. 2And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing. 4Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil; 6rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth; 7beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; 10but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away. 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things. 12For now we see in a mirror, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully known. 13But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Richard and Emptybill: Given my rudimentary knowledge at this point I am wondering if the both of you can clarify something. I went and looked up on Wikipedia about Sri Vidya. I thought that the basic shakti doctrine was as follows: Shiva is the static consciousness that pervades all things, while shakti represents (envisioned in feminine form) the dynamic form of consciousness. In essence, they have divided up the notion of Brahman. One is pure consciousness, static in existence, while the other is pure consciousness in its changeable phenomenal form? I thought all these divine goddesses were simply a manifestation of shakti. Is that not correct? Cheers Bill From: richardjwilliamstexas willy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras emptybill: All modern Western scholars of Shankara or Advaita firmly reject the claim that Adi-Shankara was the author of either Ananda-Larari or Saundarya-Lahari. Maybe so, but as TMers we are not concerned with what most Western scholars think about Shankara. It is a fact that all the Dasanami Sannyasins worship the Sri Vidya and accept the Adi Shankara as the author of the Saundarylahri. That's why at all the Ammnya Mathas founded by Shankara you will find the Sri Chakra ensconced on the mandir. Our Guru Dev was a Sri Vidya adherent and his master, Swami Krishnaanada was a Sri Vidya practitioner. So, we TMers have a direct connection to the Sringeri Matha, through Brahmananda Saraswati. Bija 'mantras', by definition, have no semantic meaning - that's why they're called 'mantras' instead of being called 'words'. If the bijas were Sanskrit words, there would be no need for a definition of them, since their meaning would be obvious to anyone who could read a Sanskrit lexicon. So, let's review: In basic TM you get the single seed sound (bija) and later the fertilizer; and you get the simple set of instructions for the correct angle to dive. So, it has now been established that at least two of the most sacred bija-mantras, out of the fifteen, contained in the Saundaryalahari, are in fact, TM bija-mantras. Read more: Subject: Guru Dev and Mantrayana Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December 17, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/ykp6rhs On the origin of the TM bija mantras: Bija mantras issued by TM are ''Sri Vidya'' bija mantras. To be fair, I won't go into what they are, but if one listens to all TM mantras, except for 2, they are 2 or 3 syllable, and this is a very important component of the technique... Subject: Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya Author: Billy Smith Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: April 22, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/ye8my2 You are getting warmer when it comes to understanding TM's origins with your posts regarding the Shankaracharya tradition and its practice of Srividya... Subject: Re: TM: Siva Sutra Author: James Duffy Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.yoga, alt.meditation Date: September 21, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/yjwa2yr
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
L., forgive me, but I went though my old posts, which had several from you and none had any links for further research. Did I miss one of them? Cheers Bill From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: [...] Thank you also Turq (Lawson) for your warm welcome too. There is much I still have to learn about TM, but also about the members here. Still it has been heuristically useful for me to say the least!  Um I note that you not only confused me with someone else but you never bothered to respond to my links to research on stuff... Gotta wonder. L.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
L., I looked again and there was the 'Yo William' one and another about the mission of Maharishi. I must have missed one. Maybe I deleted it by accident. Ther are none with any links!! Cheers Bill From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote: Nab, I do know how to pronounce my mantra, at least as it was told to me. But what is here is different. Excuse my curiosity Cheers Bill PS- My training was, after all, 11 years ago!! Stop this nonsense. Either you listen to what the teacher says, or you choose to do someting else. Simple. Many people believe that they MUST start thinking their mantra exactly the same way every time. I think MY decided that if they didn't intuit from what they were told that this was a bit anal, that it was counter-productive to make the hints any stronger than they already are. But, I'll just say that after nearly 40 years of practicing TM, it takes quite a bit of effort sometimes to remember exactly how my mantra was pronounced when I was given it. Oh wait, TM is effortless... Did MMY lie or is there something to be learned from the realization that attempting to remember a specific pronunciation from 38 years ago is often extremely difficult? L
Re: [FairfieldLife] How to pronounce the mantras
On 07/14/2011 02:53 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jul 14, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote: On 07/14/2011 02:15 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Bhairitu wrote: You have opened a whole can of worms here. I've watched for years different tantra school argue over whether the beej mantras should have use the ng ending or the m ending. The traditional schtick I was given was that the M ending was written to avoid accidentally invoking the actual power of the mantra with the true -ng or nada-bindu ending... Yup, with the Kali tradition I'm in it's the ng ending. Do you find it a little funny that both are used in TM? I always hoped it was an attempt to approximate the sounds as best as could be expected, for westerners. It's a lineage without any known foundation, so it still has me scratching my head. It may have been just to have more mantras that the m ones were added. Maybe MMY figured it didn't matter much. It would make the program look more sophisticated than it actually is. Or it could be transitional mutations. I put away my fear of corrupting my mantra and just tried to find the best resources I could - as I believe you did as well. I'm happy with what I found and the people I met, from beginning to end. I never worried much about it from the beginning and to top it off before I became a teacher performed over 200 checkings at the local center so I was always repeating those instructions over and over. You know what pissed me off was that on TTC they tested us for the checking notes when we were up in rounds and it was 10 times harder to do than when not rounding. I think that wasted a lot of time on the course. Interestingly in tantric anatomy, there's actually considered to be a subtle chakra on the tip of the epiglottis for -ng, right where the -ng sound goes. And there used to be, I'm told, a TM advanced technique for letting go of that subtle sensation of the -ng. True? Dunno. I found that surprisingly subtle and if true, a testament to Maharishis subtle appreciation of mantra. I just look at them as resonance patterns probably more from my musical background and how certain resonances effect the body (and of course the chakras). My theory has always been that to have people with little shakti teach meditation that beej mantras would work whereas the more traditional public mantras would require more shakti and shaktipat to work for most initiates. At least that is how it is taught elsewhere.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A word from St. Paul
Bill, I was using AD (Anno Domini) interchangeably with CE (common or Christian era). The period I'm hoping to start a new discussion on is 31/32 C.E. (death of Jesus) to May 22, 337 C.E. (death of Constantine). When Robin returned some excellent serves from a number of FFL posters the focus was the 13th centuryand 1943 (I believe the 1943 reference concerned the bombing by the Allies of the Benedictine Monastery at Mount Cassino). http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,796392,00.html From: William Parkinson ameradi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:36:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A word from St. Paul Bob did you mean 37C.E.? I have never heard of a 337C.E. date. Is that what you meant? Cheers Bill From: Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A word from St. Paul 1 Corinthians 13 American Standard Version (ASV) 1If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal. 2And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing. 4Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil; 6rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth; 7beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; 10but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away. 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things. 12For now we see in a mirror, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully known. 13But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A word from St. Paul
Now I understand!! Well, my own expertise runs from 200 B.C.E. to 200 C.E.. My concentration and my doctoral program was in Early Christianity, Second Temple Judaism, and to a lesser degree Greco-Roman mystery cults (in particular, Mithras and Hekete). Once we get beyond 200 C.E., I fear I will be a precious little use. But certainly anything anyone wants to discuss I would be open to chiming in if I felt like anything worthwhile to add. What did you have in mind? Cheers Bill From: Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A word from St. Paul Bill, I was using AD (Anno Domini) interchangeably with CE (common or Christian era). The period I'm hoping to start a new discussion on is 31/32 C.E. (death of Jesus) to May 22, 337 C.E. (death of Constantine). When Robin returned some excellent serves from a number of FFL posters the focus was the 13th centuryand 1943 (I believe the 1943 reference concerned the bombing by the Allies of the Benedictine Monastery at Mount Cassino). http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,796392,00.html From: William Parkinson ameradi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:36:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A word from St. Paul Bob did you mean 37C.E.? I have never heard of a 337C.E. date. Is that what you meant? Cheers Bill From: Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A word from St. Paul 1 Corinthians 13 American Standard Version (ASV) 1If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal. 2And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing. 4Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil; 6rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth; 7beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; 10but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away. 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things. 12For now we see in a mirror, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully known. 13But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love.
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[FairfieldLife] A Prediction (was Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?))
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: a I guess you have to ask yourself Barry, was your purpose to actually warn Bill, or to slam the other three. I might just as easily turn that question on you. Weren't you more interested in slamming me in post- ing what you did than in anything else? I ask because it seems so peculiar that you would take it upon yourself warn a new poster about some of the personalities here. That strikes me as odd behavior. And indeed, I think you devoted one short sentence to the warning, and then went on to describe a laundry list of the other members supposed sins. Strange behavior in my book. I ask because another way of responding would have been to say, unequivocably, Bill, to counter what Barry (Turq) says, I completely believe that Jim, Ravi, and Robin (and Rory, if you care to throw him into the mix) are what they claim to be, fully enlightened. Wouldn't that have been a more graceful and more helpful way to respond? Barry, I'm sorry that you seem so oblivious to your obvious attempts to manipulate. And I am sorry that you so often seem incapable of what might be considered a civil discussion in regard to differences of opinion. My prediction is that you won't do this, nor will much of anyone else, except for the four people them- selves and maybe Nabby, who no one believes about much of anything anyway. Instead you (and others, especially starting Friday evening when the Post Count rolls over to a new week) will spend your energies trying to demonize me for simply making a point. Barry, will you excuse me if refrain from what I think is likely your fondest hope. I think you thrive on the discord you are able to scare up. At least that is what you have often said. And it would appear that you, more than anyone else looks forward to the Friday rollover when you can start afresh in this vein. And now with Robin gone, well, you can assume your role as the alpha poster. Perhaps this has been a difficult period for you. That point was that Bill, a relative newcomer to both TM and FFL, seemed to believe without reservation that all of these people were enlightened, *just because they said they were*. I was hoping to make the point to him that a little more discrimination might be in order. So you felt you needed to assume the role of his protector? Personally I think it's better to let people form their own opinion, in their own time. He seemed like a pretty intelligent fellow, and I'm sure he would have sorted things out for himself, one way or another. You -- and others here -- could help him develop that discrimination, if what you are interested in is his welfare. If, in fact, you believe that I am wrong, and that Jim, Ravi, and Robin are enlightened (according to Maharishi's definition of enlightenment, that is -- at the very least CC, and several of them have claimed to be in or have been in UC as well), step up, take your balls in your hand, and SAY SO. Barry, what in the world are you talking about. Do you think I care if anyone proclaims themself to be enlightened? Really, I don't thing anyone cares about it except you. You sound like Judy wanting everyone to take a stand on an issue you deem to be of vital importance. No thanks. I'm not invested in other people's SOC. If you believe this and don't SAY SO, I think you're kind of spineless. If you believe the opposite -- that they are *not* enlightened -- and don't SAY SO, I think you're kinda spineless. Barry, please. You sound like a child having a tantrum. Same with the other folks here. Your call. Sorry. Not my issue. My prediction is that almost no one will take a stand one way or another. Or maybe nobody else cares. But the same people who don't have balls enough to say whether they believe these guys are enlightened will spend a lot of energy and a lot of posts badmouthing me for bringing up the elephant in the room. Barry, this is your issue. You seem to be obsessed about it. And I don't think anyone else much cares about it. But carry on this campaign, I guess by yourself, and berate those who don't care to participate. Priorities. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: What Bob said, Bill. Welcome, but watch your back. One thing I should suggest to you -- both on Fairfield Life and in real life -- is to not believe that someone is enlightened just because they claim to be. Going that route is likely to cost you money and heartbreak. For example, on this forum we currently have three people who you seem to have bought into as being enlightened -- Jim Flanegin (whynotnow), Ravi, and Robin (maskedzebra). My bet is that other than each other (they tend to support each others' delusions IMO), you can't find more than a handful of people on this forum who actually
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
It totally was Jim. It was obvious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: What Bob said, Bill. Welcome, but watch your back. One thing I should suggest to you -- both on Fairfield Life and in real life -- is to not believe that someone is enlightened just because they claim to be. Going that route is likely to cost you money and heartbreak. For example, on this forum we currently have three people who you seem to have bought into as being enlightened -- Jim Flanegin (whynotnow), Ravi, and Robin (maskedzebra). My bet is that other than each other (they tend to support each others' delusions IMO), you can't find more than a handful of people on this forum who actually BELIEVE that any of them are enlightened. It's not that we think they're lying (except for Ravi, who has admitted several times that he was lying to Rick in the interview he did with him for BATGAP); we think they are a tad delusional. Those of us who think this base it on their real-life behavior on this forum, juxtaposed to their claims of supposed higher states of consciousness. It's the walk the walk vs. the talk the talk thang. Look into it for yourself, and make your own decisions. I would suggest, for all three, using the Yahoo website's Advanced Search engine and looking up some of their earliest posts on this forum. That's where all three of them tended to freak out and display the anger and reactive behavior that convinces us disbelievers that they are delusional rather than enlightened. For the poster who now calls himself whynotnow, you should also look up his posts under several other names, for example, jim_flanegin and enlightened_dawn11 (during the period that Jim was pretending to be female). Just sayin'. * * Leaving aside your other assertions, Turq -- they are subjective and everyone can and will make up their own minds on those -- Thanks for saying this...that is my opinion as well. I am just making the case for not believing that what ANYONE says about their supposed state of conscious- ness is true until you have weighed it terms of the Buddha's words on the FFL Home Page: Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. In particular, I am cautioning against believing what people with a seemingly *huge* investment in being perceived by others as enlightened say about being enlightened. Ravi, for instance, probably never got any attention in his entire life until Rick heard about him and chose to interview him for the BATGAP series. Ravi has said since that his interview was a put-on, taking advantage of Rick's naivete. Yet here he still is, drinking in the attention on a TM forum, when he never learned TM. Go figure, eh? Jim has now posted under several different IDs, doing IMO the same thing -- trolling for attention. In a few of those ID-incarnations, he claimed to *not* be Jim, until he made a stupid mistake like posting a song from the not-Jim ID that was clearly copyrighted to Jim Flanegin. Again, go figure. ...I can tell you with full certainty that Jim never pretended to be enlightened_dawn. I personally know the woman who posted as enlightened_dawn, and she is in fact quite female :-) Whatever. Despite what you say, I still have my suspicions that enlightened_dawn11 was Jim, putting on yet another of his false personas. As I said at the time, however, I may be wrong about this. Here is the post in which I made my arguments for them being the same person. I stand by those arguments. If you have proof that they are incorrect, I will retract them. But your word -- on this subject or about your own enlightenment -- doth not constitute proof. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/211686 You may have noticed, Rory, that I didn't explicitly name you in my earlier post as one of the pretend enlightened. That does not mean that I actually believe that you are (I don't), only that in your latest posts to this forum you are keeping your ego-dick in your pants and not acting like the opposite of what we have been told an enlightened being would be like. Good on you for doing this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:21 PM, sparaig wrote: Oh wait, TM is effortless... Did MMY lie or is there something to be learned from the realization that attempting to remember a specific pronunciation from 38 years ago is often extremely difficult? If you knew basic Sanskrit pronunciation (very fun and easy to learn) and how your mantra was spelt, you'd never forget. One fun practice is writing your bija in mantric language (which is a variant of Devanagari). Says Vaj missing the whole point... L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 07/13/2011 09:14 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 07/13/2011 12:17 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: [...] You probably know that most brain wave research would say that deep sleep would be the delta state which is possible to produce through meditation too. Back in the 1970s I was part of a university study on meditation and had an EEG test. The researcher was looking for alpha waves but I produced theta. We now know that theta states (as well as delta) are signs of deeper states of mediation. I don't know why the movement keeps pushing alpha states. The most consistent EEG changes during TM they have found are in the Alpha band in certain parts of the brain, especially during episodes of pure consciousness. There's no justifiable reason to push anything else. L. Sure, because TM is only yoga lite. :-D Just simple breathing exercises can produce alpha states. WEll, yes. Simply closing the eyes can produce alpha states. There's alpha states and then there's alpha states. L. Really? How so? You mean there is wiggle room? :-D Why not just be honest and say that TM like other methods can produce alpha states? Hang the marketing on other factors such as price. Obviously if you're paying such a high price you MUST be getting a superior technique. :-D There's always that point: we tend to hold on to something we value and if TM costs so much, it must be valuable. Of course, that doesn't explain why *I* still practice since even back then, $45 wasn't an overwhelming expense for me. Steep, but not outrageous. However, what I meant by there's alpha and then there's alpha is a reference to the specific pattern(s) that show up during TM, especially during the pure consciousness state. Those aren't so common in most people, including people that practice other forms of meditation (shamatha may or may not be an other form depending on who you learn it from). L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:06 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote: [...] Thank you also Turq (Lawson) for your warm welcome too. There is much I still have to learn about TM, but also about the members here.� Still it has been heuristically useful for me to say the least!� � Um I note that you not only confused me with someone else but you never bothered to respond to my links to research on stuff... Gotta wonder. I believe he is deeply familiar with meditation research in general. Those aren't meditation research in general studies. Those are studies on a specific state found within TM and apparently not elsewhere. At least, I can't find any reference to breath suspension [or synonyms] and meditation except the TM research.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:08 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote: � I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example, hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her').� Is this list even valid? Thx for any information anyone might have! Sigh, are you SURE you have learned TM? Have you ever been checked? Starting to think that WIlliam is a troll... One POV worth considering is that since TM does not generally oppose the mantra changing in sound or quality or speed, etc., ones mantra could change and they would not remember the original sound they were given, but the morphed version. I know mine morphed so that I had to be re-told it on checking several times... As much as anythign else I suspect that that was a nod to your anxiety, rather than an essential part of checking... It's one of the pitfalls of the technique and it's instruction, esp. since initiators do not generally know Sanskrit and proper Sanskrit or Dakini language pronunciations. One of the pitfalls, or one of the most important aspects of the difference between TM and what you think is proper? One thing William could consider is visiting a saint like Amma and ask for your full mantra. You could also be initiated into your yantra if you so desired.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Yifu wrote: below...vault of the mouth. Nope - as stated or implied by others; those people excessively concerned about authentic pronunciation apparently don't have a clue about TM and probably were not initiated into it. Then they don't understand namarupa, name-and-form. How's that cup of tea, Vaj? Runnething over? L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: I was taught and still have my receipt. Goodness!! IÂ ask as a curiosity. Is it not possible to discuss these issues rationally and in a collegial fashion? Well, saying mantras out loud or writing them down (or deliberately seeking your own out to read) is sorta contra-TM to most of us Believers. Whether it really is an important point, or, as Vaj suggests, is actually a crippling issue unique to the bastardized TM technique, is always a point of great debate on this forum... Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: L., forgive me, but I went though my old posts, which had several from you and none had any links for further research. Did I miss one of them? Cheers Bill Re: The Soul is extracted and judged by weight An email I fired off recently might be of interest to you: Dear Professor Brown, I just finished reading your article, Doubt as Methodology and Object in the Phenomenology of Religion, found in M/C Journal http://www.journal.media-culture.org.au/index.php/mcjournal/article/viewArticle/\ 334 ... I'd like to present the TM theoretical take of the Vedic philosophy and ask that you reconsider calling TM a religion, per se: Rather than theories or beliefs about God, the Universe and Everything that are strictly the product of the specific culture that they are found in, TM theory asserts that these are cultural interpretations of states of consciousness that are natural to humans, regardless of culture. TM theory further asserts that TM is a technique (in the same sense that the Way that cannot be spoken is a technique) that increases the probability that practitioners will enter into the state of consciousness called turya -pure consciousness- in the Upanishads. The theory further asserts that long-term practice of TM, alternated with normal activity, leads to the situation called turyatita (quality of turya) where turya is omni-present, in some sense, in the individual. This theory is nothing new. You can find it, with minor variations, in various places. E.G. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turiya What IS unique to TM theory, however, are the assertions that: 1) turya is a physiological state of the brain in the Western scientific sense, that can be measured using the tools of Western science; 2) that turyatita is likewise a measurable state; 3) that turya is the state of least stress in a resting nervous system; 4) the process of TM is merely a resting state of the nervous system that repairs stress (note that obvious episodes of turya are NOT required for this resting state to be effective --one can become fully enlightened according to TM theory, without ever having a clear experience of turya during meditation, at least prior to full enlightenment); 4) turyatita is merely a state in mature adults whose nervous systems are sufficiently strong and mature due to lack of physiological stress that turya is evident, even during waking, dreaming and sleeping. this leads to the logical conclusion that turyatita is NOT some esoteric state, and that the physiological signature of turya during meditation should more likely appear, not only in long-term practitioners of TM contrasted with non-meditating or short-term meditating controls, but also in non-meditators whose success in life suggests that their nervous systems are very efficient, e.g.: world champion athletes (as compared to non-champion professionals in the same sport), professional classical musicians (as compared to amateur classical musicians) and high-functioning business managers as compared to their less successful counterparts. Research on the physiological correlates of turya found during TM practice: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7045911 Breath suspension during the transcendental meditation technique. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10512549 Pure consciousness: distinct phenomenological and physiological correlates of consciousness itself. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9009807 Autonomic patterns during respiratory suspensions: possible markers of Transcendental Consciousness. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10487785 Autonomic and EEG patterns during eyes-closed rest and transcendental meditation (TM) practice: the basis for a neural model of TM practice. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19862565 A self-referential default brain state: patterns of coherence, power, and eLORETA sources during eyes-closed rest and Transcendental Meditation practice. Research on the physiological correlates of turyatita in long-term TM meditators: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12406612 Patterns of EEG coherence, power, and contingent negative variation characterize the integration of transcendental and waking states. http://www.tm.org/american-psychological-association Abstract for the 2007 Conference of the American Psychological Association Brain Integration Scale: Corroborating Language-based â¨Instruments of Post-conventional Development Research on the physiological correlates of turyatita in non-meditators: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1600-0838.2009.01007.x/full Higher psycho-physiological refinement in world-class Norwegian athletes: brain measures of performance capacity While all these findings are preliminary, you might consider what they imply for interpreting TM as a religion. In my view, it is not. It is merely a technique that allegedly leads to a more healthy functioning of the nervous system. TM
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
This could be a duplicate Yahoo post or maybe not. Sorry but no troth with Yahoo. Bill, Contrary to what you might read, Shakti does not mean energy, as in electricity, but rather power. Shakti (power) carries none of our modern connotations of a strictly mechanistic force but rather points to what Shakta-s (shakti initiates) see as the intelligence(s) that actualize the cosmos and enact its unmanifest design. You seem to recognize that Shaktivada (shakti-ism) is a doctrine (-vada) that is quite separate from Advaita. It is a doctrine asserting that there is a universal power that manifests the cosmos and that it's actualizations are various all-constituting intelligences. Since these are intelligences, rather than insentient material forces, the further insight is that they are accessible to other intelligences (like us) and that there is a methodology for doing just this. That methodology is called Tantra and includes not only formulae for contacting these intelligences but also specific etiquettes for creating, maintaining and enhancing this contact. These intelligences are deva-s/devi-s the numinous presences that constitute and animate our body, along with our sense powers, mental operations and the functions of consciousness (chitta). All of these internal deva-s/devi-s are considered micro-processes of macro-intelligences that are massively awake and actively cognizant. They are the internal-external values that order, organize and interconnect the various subjective/objective strata of the universe. This, however, does not include Awareness (chit) which is a reality eulogized as Shiva, the auspicious One, the Presence-Awareness-Felicity that is the essence of all true identity. Sounds abstract but that's the cliff notes version for dummies like me. You may find it a mere iteration of what you already know but it never hurts of hear it again. Now I think I'll go have a beer. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: Richard and Emptybill: Given my rudimentary knowledge at this point I am wondering if the both of you can clarify something. I went and looked up on Wikipedia about Sri Vidya. I thought that the basic shakti doctrine was as follows: Shiva is the static consciousness that pervades all things, while shakti represents (envisioned in feminine form) the dynamic form of consciousness. In essence, they have divided up the notion of Brahman. One is pure consciousness, static in existence, while the other is pure consciousness in its changeable phenomenal form? I thought all these divine goddesses were simply a manifestation of shakti. Is that not correct? Cheers Bill Â
