date:20110905

On another forum, some are discussing a topic that I find interesting,
so I'll echo it here. Many on that forum believe in the Big Flash Theory
Of Enlightenment. That is, you have one big awakening or realization
experience, and then you're enlightened. No going back. Game over. Home
free.

Then there are others, like myself, who swing more behind the theory
that there can be Many Awakenings, pleasant while they're going on but
temporary, and then they can fade, leaving one decidedly NOT
enlightened.

What do you guys think?

My feeling is that a lot of us *brought with us* when we came to the
spiritual path a belief in the Big Flash Theory. It was just part of the
environment, in every image of enlightenment you'd ever seen. It was
even in cartoons about enlightenment. You had one Big Flash and that was
it -- you were enlightened from that moment on. I know that I believed
this, long before I ever met Maharishi.

Imagine my surprise then when in Fiuggi I had me a Class A awakening
experience. One of my one-hour meditations one morning turned into a
six-hour one. And when I opened my eyes, the transcendence (thoughtless
samadhi) I had been experiencing for those six hours didn't go away. I
got dressed and walked to dinner, and it still didn't go away. It didn't
go away for two weeks. Classic MMY description of CC. I thought I was
home free. Game over. Enlightened.

And then it went away. To this day this is probably the spiritual
experience I am most thankful for. That was a wake-up call for me,
spiritually. It taught me that many of my assumptions about this whole
enlightenment thang were false, and that maybe I ought to go back to
the drawing board with some of them.

I see the belief in the Big Flash Theory at the heart of many of the
ills we've discussed in the spiritual marketplace. It is so prevalent
that we see far too many have a flashy realization experience, feel that
it's the Big Flash, and declare themselves enlightened. A few go on to
do justice to that claim. Others, not so much; they descend into
charlatanry or worse.

I'm thinkin' therefore that the Big Flash Theory Of Enlightenment, while
possibly true for a few individuals, is a less productive meme to spread
than the Many Awakenings theory. The former, if believed, can lead to
hubris. The latter, if believed, tends to be a finger pointed at the
moon of humility.

[FairfieldLife] Funny K-Y commercial

Possibly hoping to expand its market...uh...penetration,
K-Y lubricant slides out its newest commercial, starring
a lesbian couple who attribute the strength of their rela-
tionship to not only good communication but K-Y Intense:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-stampler/k-y-first-lesbian-commercial_b_946865.html

Can't wait to see the Fundie reaction to this one...

[FairfieldLife] Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a visit. LB Shriver,
Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk
Bernhardt. Can you think of others?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Big Flash

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
snip
 Imagine my surprise then when in Fiuggi I had me a Class A
 awakening experience. One of my one-hour meditations one
 morning turned into a six-hour one. And when I opened my
 eyes, the transcendence (thoughtless samadhi) I had been 
 experiencing for those six hours didn't go away. I
 got dressed and walked to dinner, and it still didn't go
 away. It didn't go away for two weeks. Classic MMY
 description of CC. I thought I was home free. Game over. 
 Enlightened.
 
 And then it went away. To this day this is probably the
 spiritual experience I am most thankful for. That was a
 wake-up call for me, spiritually. It taught me that many
 of my assumptions about this whole enlightenment thang
 were false, and that maybe I ought to go back to the
 drawing board with some of them.

IOW, you thought perhaps you should go back to what
you'd been taught by MMY?

Standard Disclaimer: I don't know what he taught his
teachers. But the rank-and-file were taught that 
temporary experiences of CC (called witnessing) and
even GC and UC were to be expected prior to any of
these states becoming permanent.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Big Flash

2011-09-05 Thread Mike Dixon

M has said numerous times, it can happen either way. People have had the Big 
Flash and M has said only time will tell if it is permanent and he has also 
indicated that the journey to enlightenment can be like a trek through the 
desert with an occasional stop in an oasis. He has also said that one can go 
without clear experiences until that final *stress* is gone. Of course, I also 
believe the duty of a master is to keep the disciple moving on the path, the 
carrot and the stick routine, so they can say anything,even lie, to keep you 
motivated.


From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 6:53 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Big Flash


  
On another forum, some are discussing a topic that I find interesting,
so I'll echo it here. Many on that forum believe in the Big Flash Theory
Of Enlightenment. That is, you have one big awakening or realization
experience, and then you're enlightened. No going back. Game over. Home
free.

Then there are others, like myself, who swing more behind the theory
that there can be Many Awakenings, pleasant while they're going on but
temporary, and then they can fade, leaving one decidedly NOT
enlightened.

What do you guys think?

My feeling is that a lot of us *brought with us* when we came to the
spiritual path a belief in the Big Flash Theory. It was just part of the
environment, in every image of enlightenment you'd ever seen. It was
even in cartoons about enlightenment. You had one Big Flash and that was
it -- you were enlightened from that moment on. I know that I believed
this, long before I ever met Maharishi.

Imagine my surprise then when in Fiuggi I had me a Class A awakening
experience. One of my one-hour meditations one morning turned into a
six-hour one. And when I opened my eyes, the transcendence (thoughtless
samadhi) I had been experiencing for those six hours didn't go away. I
got dressed and walked to dinner, and it still didn't go away. It didn't
go away for two weeks. Classic MMY description of CC. I thought I was
home free. Game over. Enlightened.

And then it went away. To this day this is probably the spiritual
experience I am most thankful for. That was a wake-up call for me,
spiritually. It taught me that many of my assumptions about this whole
enlightenment thang were false, and that maybe I ought to go back to
the drawing board with some of them.

I see the belief in the Big Flash Theory at the heart of many of the
ills we've discussed in the spiritual marketplace. It is so prevalent
that we see far too many have a flashy realization experience, feel that
it's the Big Flash, and declare themselves enlightened. A few go on to
do justice to that claim. Others, not so much; they descend into
charlatanry or worse.

I'm thinkin' therefore that the Big Flash Theory Of Enlightenment, while
possibly true for a few individuals, is a less productive meme to spread
than the Many Awakenings theory. The former, if believed, can lead to
hubris. The latter, if believed, tends to be a finger pointed at the
moon of humility.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:

 I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a visit. LB Shriver,
 Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk
 Bernhardt. Can you think of others?


Bob Brigante!

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Big Flash

2011-09-05 Thread RoryGoff

I would have to say both. I find, not surprisingly, that any experience which 
comes, also goes; that is, if it is temporal, it is also temporary. For me, 
real Awakening consisted of this realization, or understanding, which forced me 
to reach deeper and find That permanence which has always been here: a 
radically different thang than any experience could ever be.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 On another forum, some are discussing a topic that I find interesting,
 so I'll echo it here. Many on that forum believe in the Big Flash Theory
 Of Enlightenment. That is, you have one big awakening or realization
 experience, and then you're enlightened. No going back. Game over. Home
 free.
 
 Then there are others, like myself, who swing more behind the theory
 that there can be Many Awakenings, pleasant while they're going on but
 temporary, and then they can fade, leaving one decidedly NOT
 enlightened.
 
 What do you guys think?
 
 My feeling is that a lot of us *brought with us* when we came to the
 spiritual path a belief in the Big Flash Theory. It was just part of the
 environment, in every image of enlightenment you'd ever seen. It was
 even in cartoons about enlightenment. You had one Big Flash and that was
 it -- you were enlightened from that moment on. I know that I believed
 this, long before I ever met Maharishi.
 
 Imagine my surprise then when in Fiuggi I had me a Class A awakening
 experience. One of my one-hour meditations one morning turned into a
 six-hour one. And when I opened my eyes, the transcendence (thoughtless
 samadhi) I had been experiencing for those six hours didn't go away. I
 got dressed and walked to dinner, and it still didn't go away. It didn't
 go away for two weeks. Classic MMY description of CC. I thought I was
 home free. Game over. Enlightened.
 
 And then it went away. To this day this is probably the spiritual
 experience I am most thankful for. That was a wake-up call for me,
 spiritually. It taught me that many of my assumptions about this whole
 enlightenment thang were false, and that maybe I ought to go back to
 the drawing board with some of them.
 
 I see the belief in the Big Flash Theory at the heart of many of the
 ills we've discussed in the spiritual marketplace. It is so prevalent
 that we see far too many have a flashy realization experience, feel that
 it's the Big Flash, and declare themselves enlightened. A few go on to
 do justice to that claim. Others, not so much; they descend into
 charlatanry or worse.
 
 I'm thinkin' therefore that the Big Flash Theory Of Enlightenment, while
 possibly true for a few individuals, is a less productive meme to spread
 than the Many Awakenings theory. The former, if believed, can lead to
 hubris. The latter, if believed, tends to be a finger pointed at the
 moon of humility.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Big Flash

2011-09-05 Thread seventhray1


Slept late and rushing a bit here.  From what I've read and picked up
along the way it seems like sometimes the teacher gives you a slight
nudge and you are there, or sometimes he gives you a blast and you are
there - in regards to an student-teacher type arrangment.  Otherwise I
think it also goes both ways.  A big realization comes and you are
there, or sometimes baby steps and then you reach critical mass and go
over the edge.

In my experience.  I am not sure I have ever had a Class A Spiritual
Experience.  Closest I had was white pearl experience, not to be
confused with the blue pearl.  But my Class A didn't linger long.  It
was what one might call a unity type experience. What I have now is a
sensation in my third eye area now and again which is seems to be
followed by some deepening of how I observe the outside world.

I am not in a postion any more to really have any experiences during
meditation.  But as I've said previously many times, my so called good
experiences take place in the outer world, with a greater penetration
of awareness into whatever I am doing, whether it is buying  a soda at
Quick Trip, or giving the neighbors dog a bone.  That sounds pretty
fuzzy I know, but that's the best I can do for now.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 On another forum, some are discussing a topic that I find interesting,
 so I'll echo it here. Many on that forum believe in the Big Flash
Theory
 Of Enlightenment. That is, you have one big awakening or realization
 experience, and then you're enlightened. No going back. Game over.
Home
 free.

 Then there are others, like myself, who swing more behind the theory
 that there can be Many Awakenings, pleasant while they're going on but
 temporary, and then they can fade, leaving one decidedly NOT
 enlightened.

 What do you guys think?

 My feeling is that a lot of us *brought with us* when we came to the
 spiritual path a belief in the Big Flash Theory. It was just part of
the
 environment, in every image of enlightenment you'd ever seen. It was
 even in cartoons about enlightenment. You had one Big Flash and that
was
 it -- you were enlightened from that moment on. I know that I believed
 this, long before I ever met Maharishi.

 Imagine my surprise then when in Fiuggi I had me a Class A awakening
 experience. One of my one-hour meditations one morning turned into a
 six-hour one. And when I opened my eyes, the transcendence
(thoughtless
 samadhi) I had been experiencing for those six hours didn't go away. I
 got dressed and walked to dinner, and it still didn't go away. It
didn't
 go away for two weeks. Classic MMY description of CC. I thought I was
 home free. Game over. Enlightened.

 And then it went away. To this day this is probably the spiritual
 experience I am most thankful for. That was a wake-up call for me,
 spiritually. It taught me that many of my assumptions about this whole
 enlightenment thang were false, and that maybe I ought to go back to
 the drawing board with some of them.

 I see the belief in the Big Flash Theory at the heart of many of the
 ills we've discussed in the spiritual marketplace. It is so prevalent
 that we see far too many have a flashy realization experience, feel
that
 it's the Big Flash, and declare themselves enlightened. A few go on to
 do justice to that claim. Others, not so much; they descend into
 charlatanry or worse.

 I'm thinkin' therefore that the Big Flash Theory Of Enlightenment,
while
 possibly true for a few individuals, is a less productive meme to
spread
 than the Many Awakenings theory. The former, if believed, can lead to
 hubris. The latter, if believed, tends to be a finger pointed at the
 moon of humility.

[FairfieldLife] The gods of Google hate Labor Day

2011-09-05 Thread raunchydog

The graphic artists at GOOGLE must have the day off because they sure didn't 
put much effort into dressing up their logo. One puny American flag. BFD. 
Hooray for Labor Day.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Big Flash





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 On another forum, some are discussing a topic that I find
 interesting, so I'll echo it here. Many on that forum believe in
 the Big Flash Theory Of Enlightenment. That is, you have one big
 awakening or realization experience, and then you're enlightened.
 No going back. Game over. Home free.
 
 Then there are others, like myself, who swing more behind the theory
 that there can be Many Awakenings, pleasant while they're going on but
 temporary, and then they can fade, leaving one decidedly NOT
 enlightened.
 
 What do you guys think?
 
 
So far, the shift I experienced back in Dec 2005/Jan 2006 is permanent. But, I 
don't regard it as a final end point. It's with good reason that Waking Down 
calls it a second *birth* awakening. It's a beginning, not an ending.

As Tom T likes to quote:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/151054

Awakening is instantaneous; clarity takes place in space/time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The gods of Google hate Labor Day

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:

 The graphic artists at GOOGLE must have the day off because 
 they sure didn't put much effort into dressing up their logo. 
 One puny American flag. BFD. Hooray for Labor Day.

Don't forget that Labor Day is an American holiday.
In Europe, what we see is an animated Google Doodle 
dedicated to Freddie Mercury and celebrating his 
65th birthday. I'll paste in the link to Google 
Nederlands below, but it may try to redirect you 
back to the American site.

http://www.google.nl/

If so, here's an article about the Doodle with video:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/04/google-doodle-pays-tribut_n_948710.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Big Flash

My experience mirrors Tom's phrase. I also had experiences like the ones Turq 
talks about, witnessing for a day or two. The difference between those 
transitory CC experiences and actually waking up, was that the CC experiences 
were all on the backdrop of my identity composed of stories, whereas the 
Awakening I had (in Spring 2005) was the crumbling of those stories, actually 
felt them fall away for good. Then, as Tom's phrase goes, clarity has occurred 
over time. 

There is no possibility of my becoming un-Awake at this point, only finding 
circumstances which challenge the inevitable expansion of my awareness, and 
integrating them. Its actually kind of a game now. My awareness now unleashed 
from its former belief in its limitations,  seeks out situations where it can 
be limited, and always finds a way to bring the experience of infinity to the 
situation. Then on to the next one.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... 
wrote:

 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  On another forum, some are discussing a topic that I find
  interesting, so I'll echo it here. Many on that forum believe in
  the Big Flash Theory Of Enlightenment. That is, you have one big
  awakening or realization experience, and then you're enlightened.
  No going back. Game over. Home free.
  
  Then there are others, like myself, who swing more behind the theory
  that there can be Many Awakenings, pleasant while they're going on but
  temporary, and then they can fade, leaving one decidedly NOT
  enlightened.
  
  What do you guys think?
  
  
 So far, the shift I experienced back in Dec 2005/Jan 2006 is permanent. But, 
 I don't regard it as a final end point. It's with good reason that Waking 
 Down calls it a second *birth* awakening. It's a beginning, not an ending.
 
 As Tom T likes to quote:
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/151054
 
 Awakening is instantaneous; clarity takes place in space/time.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

On Sep 5, 2011, at 8:46 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:
 
 I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a visit. LB Shriver,
 Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk
 Bernhardt. Can you think of others?
 
 
 Bob Brigante!

Shemp.  Ever since he and OW had their final
run-in, neither has been heard from since.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-05 Thread richardwillytexwilliams



emptybill:
 What Richard Williams says is inaccurate... 

So, let review what we know about the TM bija mantras:

It has already been established that our Guru Dev, Swami 
Brahmanand, was an initiate of the Saraswati Order of 
Vendata Sanyasins, with their headquarters at Sringeri.

It has already been established the Sringeri Amnyamatha 
was founded by the Adi Shankaracharya. 

And, it has already been established that the guru of 
SBS was Swami Krishanand Saraswati of Sringeri.

It has also been established that the Saraswati 
Sannyasins of Sringeri meditate on the bija mantra of 
Saraswati at least twice each day. 

So, this much has been established.

According to Swami of Sringeri, Sri Bharati Tirtha 
Mahaswamiji, the current Shankaracharya, our tradition 
was founded by the Adi Shankara - that's all we TMers 
need to know. 

http://www.sringeri.net/

All the Saraswati Sannyasins of the Shankarachary 
Order accept as fact that the Adi Shankara composed 
the Soundaryalahari and enumerated the sixteen bijas.

The Saraswati Sannyasins of Sringeri are not concerned 
with Western scholarship. Saraswati adherents are 
concerned with transcending to the Absolute Knowedge - 
Sri Vidya - utilizing  the bija mantras handed down 
from the Adi, to SBS, to MMY, hence to all TMers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote:

 On Sep 5, 2011, at 8:46 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
   
   I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a 
   visit. LB Shriver, Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did 
   invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk Bernhardt. Can you think of others?
  
  Bob Brigante!
 
 Shemp.  Ever since he and OW had their final
 run-in, neither has been heard from since.

My guess is that they made some kind of bet
as to who could refrain from posting here the 
longest, and neither is willing to lose it. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-05 Thread richardwillytexwilliams



Marcio:
 but I have a doubt
 
Bija 'mantras', by definition, have no semantic 
meaning - that's why they're called 'mantras' 
instead of being called 'words'. 

If the bijas were Sanskrit words, there would be 
no need for a definition of them, since their 
meaning would be obvious to anyone who could read 
a Sanskrit lexicon.

Read more: 

Subject: Bijas and Other Seed Sounds
From: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: November 26, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/y8h95d6

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote:
 
  On Sep 5, 2011, at 8:46 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:

I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a 
visit. LB Shriver, Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did 
invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk Bernhardt. Can you think of others?
   
   Bob Brigante!
  
  Shemp.  Ever since he and OW had their final
  run-in, neither has been heard from since.
 
 My guess is that they made some kind of bet
 as to who could refrain from posting here the 
 longest, and neither is willing to lose it. :-)


Shemp unsubscribed shortly after Rick posted a really nasty email he had 
received in response to a discussion on FFL. Rick and I sniffed around and 
discovered that the nasty email was actually from Shemp, but from an email 
address tied to his real name. With his cover blown, he unsubscribed.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Alex Stanley
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 8:47 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@... wrote:

 I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a visit. LB Shriver,
 Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk
 Bernhardt. Can you think of others?

Bob Brigante!

I emailed him and all the names mentioned, including Shemp, Brigante, Kirk
Bernhardt, LB Shiver, etc.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

Pregnant pause...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Alex Stanley
 Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 8:47 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote:

  I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a visit. LB Shriver,
  Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk
  Bernhardt. Can you think of others?

 Bob Brigante!

 I emailed him and all the names mentioned, including Shemp, Brigante, Kirk
 Bernhardt, LB Shiver, etc.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:


ME:But as Judy pointed out, you believe you have
a magical, spiritual solution to all these 
problems
   
   Please don't put words in my mouth, Curtis.
   
   Here's what I actually said:
   
   I think it needs to be done both ways at once, so 
   I don't really agree with him.
  
  Since you didn't define what the ways were, I was left to
  speculate that it included the spiritual field effect
  emanating from special people doing special things.
 
 (Special is another denigrating term you use to load your
 arguments.)

If a person was able to exert power over the environment using their mind only 
in a field effect it would be special.  The terms used for such people 
designate them as such like the terms saint or his holiness.  

 
 A speculation without basis. Inner healing, the phrase
 I used, can happen in all sorts of ways. Ravi didn't
 specify a particular way either. You weren't left to
 speculate, you simply wanted to put me down, after having
 put Ravi down for the same reason.


Yeah, I am completely unfamiliar with your points of view and beliefs.

 
  Or did you only restrict it to personally teaching everyone to 
  meditate?
 
 Doesn't even have to involve meditation. Different strokes
 for different folks.

So coy.  So I am left to continue speculation from previous posts.

  
   I didn't characterize Ravi's approach as magical.
  
  I know that,
 
 Then why did you say it was what I had pointed out?

This is a dll in your responses.  I rephrase your point as I see it and you 
object that I am being inaccurate.  In some cases I might be misconstruing what 
you said and your objections are valid.  In some it should be clear that I am 
presenting your point as I see it.  Judgment call which this is.  We will 
disagree.  
 
  it was my characterization for claims without any scientific 
  basis.
 
 Ravi was speaking in very general terms, not making any
 specific claims about any particular spiritual solution.
 As was I.
 
  I often use the term in a positive way as well.
 
 Oh, please. Not when you're using it in this type of
 context.

I understand that it is a loaded term for people who believe they have more 
explanations and support for beliefs than I share.  It does include an ear 
tweek for Ravi.  But in my defense I got involved in this whole thing after he 
used my name associating me with being Buddhist and that liberal pain 
projection muddle so I believe it is richly deserved.

 
   You're the one who likes to use that term to load
   your argument. As I indicated, I think inner
   healing is just as important as outer action, maybe
   more important. Those who aren't at least in the
   process of inner healing aren't going to be very
   successful with outer action.
  
  I guess you need to define what you include in your concept 
  of inner healing for me to understand if you don't want me
  to assume.
 
 Anything that works to calm the kind of inner disharmony
 that results, for example, in instantly labeling someone
 a right-winger when they refuse to accept one's views of
 MLK.

Let's retrace some steps.  Ravi dissed the work of MLK and I defended it.  Ravi 
then doubled down with an unintended parody of negative stereotypes about black 
culture reducing it all to a Tyler Perry movie scene.  I objected that this 
type of language is inaccurate,and reminds me of they type of hate speech 
certain unnamed groups.  Ravi responded that he in fact loves the emotional 
black people he has met.

Now I ask you.  If this was all a discussion about the harmful effects of using 
sexist language, would you be so quick to defend Ravi?

 
   And what I actually pointed out was that you had
   attempted to falsely paint Ravi as a bigoted right-
   winger, again to load your argument. In this
   discussion, you have not, as far as I can see, even
   attempted to grok his perspective.
  
  I was pointing out that his reduction of all black society
  into ghetto criminal life was similar.
 
 And implying that therefore the basis for his views was
 similar.

He was using the language of negative stereotypes on the heels of dismissing 
MLK's achievements.  I find it odd that you find my defense more objectionable 
than his language.

 
 Your follow-up to him indicates you now realize that isn't
 the case, but what I'm pointing out is that your initial
 assumption was a knee-jerk one in the face of the evidence
 of his past posts.
 
  I grok his perspective just fine.  And I couldn't care less
  about it except for his unwarranted disrespect for the work
  of MLK.
 
 Well, no, you *don't* grok his perspective if you call his
 disrespect for MLK unwarranted. Would you acknowledge
 that I grokked your perspective if I called your disrespect
 for MMY, Guru Dev, et al. unwarranted? Your call for
 respect for your own icons is on pretty shaky ground given
 your lack of respect for the icons of others.

I used the term

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

10 years!  Nice work Rick.

The place serves as a reliable place to write, to interact with interesting 
people willing to put fingers on keys to express themselves.  It has done me a 
lot of good, and continues to be a valuable intellectual resource and mirror 
for my evolving perspectives on life.

Weird how you launched it right before 9-11.  Oh wait, that isn't weird at all, 
this is just my brain connecting things and imposing a pattern where no pattern 
exists!

Happy Birthday FFL.









--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:

 Pregnant pause...
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of Alex Stanley
  Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 8:47 AM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday
  
   
  

  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
   I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a visit. LB Shriver,
   Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk
   Bernhardt. Can you think of others?
  
  
  Bob Brigante!
  
  I emailed him and all the names mentioned, including Shemp, Brigante, Kirk
  Bernhardt, LB Shiver, etc.

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-05 Thread Marcio

Richrad

great answer, very good your knowledge ... and on the advanced techniques ... 
Additions to Beej? Do you know anything about it ..?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... 
wrote:

 
 
 emptybill:
  What Richard Williams says is inaccurate... 
 
 So, let review what we know about the TM bija mantras:
 
 It has already been established that our Guru Dev, Swami 
 Brahmanand, was an initiate of the Saraswati Order of 
 Vendata Sanyasins, with their headquarters at Sringeri.
 
 It has already been established the Sringeri Amnyamatha 
 was founded by the Adi Shankaracharya. 
 
 And, it has already been established that the guru of 
 SBS was Swami Krishanand Saraswati of Sringeri.
 
 It has also been established that the Saraswati 
 Sannyasins of Sringeri meditate on the bija mantra of 
 Saraswati at least twice each day. 
 
 So, this much has been established.
 
 According to Swami of Sringeri, Sri Bharati Tirtha 
 Mahaswamiji, the current Shankaracharya, our tradition 
 was founded by the Adi Shankara - that's all we TMers 
 need to know. 
 
 http://www.sringeri.net/
 
 All the Saraswati Sannyasins of the Shankarachary 
 Order accept as fact that the Adi Shankara composed 
 the Soundaryalahari and enumerated the sixteen bijas.
 
 The Saraswati Sannyasins of Sringeri are not concerned 
 with Western scholarship. Saraswati adherents are 
 concerned with transcending to the Absolute Knowedge - 
 Sri Vidya - utilizing  the bija mantras handed down 
 from the Adi, to SBS, to MMY, hence to all TMers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:

 Says the man who compared Maharishi to Mao.


Two choices here Nabby so you can take your pick.

1.  You sincerely didn't understand what I was comparing about these two men's 
follower's beliefs and think I was comparing them as men.  In this case you are 
a very dim bulb.

2. You did understand my point about the unreliability of people's subjective 
evaluation of leader's divinity and are deliberately misrepresenting it.  In 
this case you are being a dick.

So which is it?

But as an extension of my correction of my use of the term disrespectful in 
Judy's post; I deserve derision for misusing it.  It was an idiotic thing to 
say, and does not reflect my view on further thought.  Showing respect for an 
idea or historical person is highly overrated, especially in intellectual 
discussions.  So the spirit of you calling me out is acknowledged, and I cop to 
its accuracy.  I should be banned from ever using that term against others 
here.  Duly noted.

About Maharishi, the Mao thing was not me showing disrespect.  You might have 
used a phrase I have tossed out like Maharishi the Hindu televangelist 
huckstering mantras while claiming to be the most important man in history, 
begging for phallic monuments to be built to his wonderfulness as his dying 
wish as a better example.  If you ever need help selecting them let me know.  
Probably nothing tops my characterization of Guru Dev as the Lottery winning 
homeless man...I mean lifetime camper who happens to be housing-impaired.  You 
might want to keep that handy in case I try to pull this disrespect thing 
again. 






 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   Curtis,
   I have to say, you in this response are a poor caricature of your image
   you try to portray here on FFL. 
  
  I am not portraying any image, we were discussing a topic of interest.  
  This is the beginning of your ad hominem slide.
  
  I used the example of the life in a
   housing project to illustrate on how the social changes are just
   superficial and how they result in merely new rules and new games. 
  
  And I was showing that this example was shortsighted in a discussion about 
  the achievements of MLK. It also was a classically stereotypical caricature 
  of black society.  You amend this view below and I believe you vastly 
  improve the impression you give of your understanding of the poor part of 
  black society.
  
  If
   not for the fact that I have been living in this country for 20 years
   and am speaking to an American audience I would have very well used
   examples from India. I have as much disgust for hypocritical repressed
   values of India and I have never hesitated in articulating them. I still
   have my emails from last year when I blasted the traditional
   conservative values of Indian men.
  
  Alright, but that was not our topic was it?
  
  
   I hate to have to disappoint you in your weird fantasies and twisting of 
   my words into portraying me as being a judgmental person.
  
  Let me stop you there.  I don't have weird fantasies about you, I was 
  reacting to the actual words you chose to write.  I disagreed with them. 
  You are a highly judgmental person Ravi, as am I.  Are you concerned that I 
  am thinking of you as a prejudiced person?  No.  I thought you were 
  expressing naive opinions about a culture you didn't have much exposure to. 
   I was wrong about that.  But I still disagree with your reduction of black 
  society into ghetto criminal life in a discussion of the achievements of 
  MLK.
  
   I totally love
   white and black people or any other race. But I'm definitely partial in
   my love for the black people. I have had an excellent time with blacks,
   my professor and the secretary at the reading department of the black
   school I attended. I used to be touched by the genuine love and
   compassion that these church going people showed. I loved black gospel
   music, enjoyed rap music, I just loved the heart centered-ness of the
   black people even when I used to be occasionally cursed while working in
   the housing projects. I found them to be very authentic. Even at the age
   of 22 I recall enjoying stimulating conversation with the older blacks
   at the housing projecting, the ones who probably watched the likes of
   MLK in person. I certainly saw many who were lucky and/or could see this
   game and successfully transitioned out of the projects.
  
  Then you should be more sensitive to writing off the achievement of MLK by 
  using the criminal element in poor societies as somehow meaning he achieved 
  nothing.  His achievement was not only for black culture.  It liberated 
  white culture from such overtly un-American race relations.  It was not 
  meant to solve all the problems of personal prejudice, it was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... 
wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote:
  
   On Sep 5, 2011, at 8:46 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
 I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a 
 visit. LB Shriver, Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did 
 invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk Bernhardt. Can you think of others?

Bob Brigante!
   
   Shemp.  Ever since he and OW had their final
   run-in, neither has been heard from since.
  
  My guess is that they made some kind of bet
  as to who could refrain from posting here the 
  longest, and neither is willing to lose it. :-)
 
 Shemp unsubscribed shortly after Rick posted a really nasty
 email he had received in response to a discussion on FFL. Rick
 and I sniffed around and discovered that the nasty email was 
 actually from Shemp, but from an email address tied to his real
 name. With his cover blown, he unsubscribed.

Rick should never have posted the email without first
asking and receiving permission to do so, IMHO, no matter
who it was from, no matter how nasty it was. That's a
serious breach of electronic etiquette.

Rick
 and I sniffed around and discovered that the nasty email was 
 actually from Shemp, but from an email address tied to his real
 name. With his cover blown, he unsubscribed.

But Alex, it didn't take any sniffing around to recognize
that it was from Shemp; it was obvious from what he said in
the email. He wasn't attempting to hide who he was, he just
mistakenly sent the email to Rick from the address linked to
his real name. He had sent an email to me once the same way
by accident.

I can't imagine Rick was unaware that he had blown Shemp's
cover when he posted it. I think that's *why* he posted it,
to punish Shemp for having been nasty.

And I think that's why Shemp left, because he figured Rick
had done it on purpose.

[FairfieldLife] Oro ergo sum

Translated from the Latin, I argue therefore I am. This 
is a play on Cogito ergo sum -- I think therefore I am, 
and is held as a credo by those whose only possible mode 
of social interaction seems to be trying to provoke people 
into arguing with them. 

My theory is that we should treat such people according to 
their own credo. If some part of them really feels as if 
they don't exist unless they are arguing, ignore them and 
see if that turns out to be true. If it does, win-win.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 11:24 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

Rick
 and I sniffed around and discovered that the nasty email was 
 actually from Shemp, but from an email address tied to his real
 name. With his cover blown, he unsubscribed.

But Alex, it didn't take any sniffing around to recognize
that it was from Shemp; it was obvious from what he said in
the email. He wasn't attempting to hide who he was, he just
mistakenly sent the email to Rick from the address linked to
his real name. He had sent an email to me once the same way
by accident.

I can't imagine Rick was unaware that he had blown Shemp's
cover when he posted it. I think that's *why* he posted it,
to punish Shemp for having been nasty.

And I think that's why Shemp left, because he figured Rick
had done it on purpose.

It's been a few years, so my memory is fuzzy, but I'm pretty careful about
protecting people's anonymity, even if they've abusive to me. I doubt that I
outed him intentionally.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

Happy Birthday FFL. Great fun!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:

 I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a visit. LB Shriver,
 Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk
 Bernhardt. Can you think of others?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 
 wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote:
   
On Sep 5, 2011, at 8:46 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
  I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a 
  visit. LB Shriver, Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did 
  invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk Bernhardt. Can you think of others?
 
 Bob Brigante!

Shemp.  Ever since he and OW had their final
run-in, neither has been heard from since.
   
   My guess is that they made some kind of bet
   as to who could refrain from posting here the 
   longest, and neither is willing to lose it. :-)
  
  Shemp unsubscribed shortly after Rick posted a really nasty
  email he had received in response to a discussion on FFL. Rick
  and I sniffed around and discovered that the nasty email was 
  actually from Shemp, but from an email address tied to his real
  name. With his cover blown, he unsubscribed.
 
 Rick should never have posted the email without first
 asking and receiving permission to do so, IMHO, no matter
 who it was from, no matter how nasty it was. That's a
 serious breach of electronic etiquette.

It's quite common for people to make an exception about posting private email 
when the email is abusive.
 
 Rick
  and I sniffed around and discovered that the nasty email was 
  actually from Shemp, but from an email address tied to his real
  name. With his cover blown, he unsubscribed.
 
 But Alex, it didn't take any sniffing around to recognize
 that it was from Shemp; it was obvious from what he said in
 the email. He wasn't attempting to hide who he was, he just
 mistakenly sent the email to Rick from the address linked to
 his real name. He had sent an email to me once the same way
 by accident.
 
 I can't imagine Rick was unaware that he had blown Shemp's
 cover when he posted it. I think that's *why* he posted it,
 to punish Shemp for having been nasty.
 
 And I think that's why Shemp left, because he figured Rick
 had done it on purpose.


I looked in my Yahoo Inbox at the emails we exchanged about it, and Rick seemed 
surprised that it was Shemp. I think Rick just didn't make the connection. Rick 
is very stong in his support of the anonymity rule, even to the point of 
granting the special dispensation of restored anonymity in the case of someone 
who had previously identified himself by his real name. If Rick had known that 
mail was from Shemp, I doubt he would have forwarded it without the email 
address redacted.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..

Krishna is action. That explains it?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Haha. I cracked up at one of the ads, Brought to you by Slumdog
 Millionaire.  Bhahahaha. Kind of an add on funny to the situation.
 haha. Neil Patrick Harris plays a good specimen. lol. c- bhaha.
 
  If Krishna is complete, than does Krishna exist in both male and
 female?
 
 I guess I don't perceive Krishna as existing in me so can't really
 comment on that.
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   http://www.hulu.com/watch/28761/how-i-met-your-mother-cougar-traits
  
 http://www.hulu.com/watch/28761/how-i-met-your-mother-cougar-traits
   Watch the 2 more clips that follow it on the Cougar - very funny. I
   usually watch re-runs of Seinfeld, Frasier and That 70's show but I
 got
   hooked on to How I met your mother as well.
   Lord Krishna is considered the purna (complete) avatar, My essence
 of
   Krishna was that only when you are totally established in your inner
   relationship with the beloved Radha that you are able to fully
 engage,
   perform Karma, in the outside world in a playful, detached manner
 with
   your dharma which is in alignment with the dharma of your time,
 place
   and the class of people you deal with. A perfect cog in the wheel,
 the
   wheel of samsara. A perfect dharma karma adhipati Yoga - actions
 totally
   aligned with your innate dharma.
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
   
Reference to How I met your mother.  I have not ever watched the
   show. Sorry I do not know the cougar episode. lol.
   
Radha, being symbolic, for the beloved that Krishna has left in
 his
   innermost core. (As you state below.) Then, then you can easily
 step
   out and totally indulge like Krishna. brings to mind a house of
   mirrors. The reflection continuing so far as to not see the end.
Radha, as you say (Beloved) and Brindavan (Heart) what is the
 essence
   of Krishna (?) as in respect to, total indulge?
   
Oh the below first paragraph, bhahaha. East meets West. :P

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

2011-09-05 Thread krysto

OK so I qualify as an old-timer.  Getting used to that as the years go by...

Happy birthday, group.

I continue to skim the summaries, and not too infrequently get something to 
interest or amuse me. Thanks for all the fish...

Would it be in bad taste to summarize a few of my favorites?  This is a list of 
some that come immediately to mind, inevitably forgetting most and many who 
deserve mention, so take it as lightly as I write it:

* Curtis kicks ass - a fun writer, and a man eerily close to my own mind
* The Turq - prolific, pointed, disruptive, often fascinating
* Buck (my old friend Doug Hamilton) - a hoot to see in the role of Old 
Testament prophet
* Alex - always good for a quick grounding
* Judy - relentless and meticulous (has anyone called her Judge Judy?) She 
takes her vision of integrity very seriously, brooks no quarter.
* Rory - once all over the ooga-booga space, now playful and directly, 
plain-spokenly illuminating
* Rick - the father of it all, the deus abscondus who mostly lets his creation 
do what it must do, with only rare intervention (more balanced than the deity, 
though)
* Raunchy - one tough dog, a voice that cuts through it all
* Meow13 or whatever number it was - a gentle voice, implausibly innocent 

And yes, the old guys like LB, Brigante, Rudra Joe.  Rick - I guess you did not 
invite Sharalyn Harris to come back?

I'm gone only because I do not have the time to do my presence here justice. 
Other fish to fry.

My wishes?
1. That Judy and Turq would limit their personal attacks, chidings, baitings, 
name-callings, and innuendos to direct emails between themselves, sparing us 
all forever.
2. That the spirit of openness and curiosity that seems to prevail much more 
now than in the past will thrive. 

But who cares what I think?  Just an old-timer in to say hello.

As you were...


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a visit. LB Shriver,
  Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk
  Bernhardt. Can you think of others?

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of krysto
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 11:58 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

And yes, the old guys like LB, Brigante, Rudra Joe. Rick - I guess you did
not invite Sharalyn Harris to come back?

Forgot. Will do. Thanks for stopping by.

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-05 Thread emptybill

Marcio

You might do better by buying the following books on
www.Amazon.com, which give detailed explanations
about mantras:

Mantra Yoga and Primal Sound:
Secrets of Seed (Bija) Mantra
by David Frawley

Also:

Inner Tantric Yoga: Working with the Universal Shakti;
Secrets of Mantras, Deities and Meditation
by David Frawley

However, these books will NOT tell you how to used them
in TM meditation.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote:

 Richrad

 great answer, very good your knowledge ... and on the advanced
techniques ... Additions to Beej? Do you know anything about it ..?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oro ergo sum

What is the difference between writing provocatively and arguing? Both attempt 
to elicit a response. Perhaps you see Judy's attempts to show the other side of 
your coin as her arguing with you? Why not adapt to the paradox and accept both 
her view of what she said about your writing, and your view of it, and coexist 
with both? Otherwise, you seem to be arguing with yourself, imo. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Translated from the Latin, I argue therefore I am. This 
 is a play on Cogito ergo sum -- I think therefore I am, 
 and is held as a credo by those whose only possible mode 
 of social interaction seems to be trying to provoke people 
 into arguing with them. 
 
 My theory is that we should treat such people according to 
 their own credo. If some part of them really feels as if 
 they don't exist unless they are arguing, ignore them and 
 see if that turns out to be true. If it does, win-win.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oro ergo sum

Oh yeah, reminded me that I read recently that what anybody else thinks of us 
is none of our business. I thought that was pretty cool.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:

 What is the difference between writing provocatively and arguing? Both 
 attempt to elicit a response. Perhaps you see Judy's attempts to show the 
 other side of your coin as her arguing with you? Why not adapt to the paradox 
 and accept both her view of what she said about your writing, and your view 
 of it, and coexist with both? Otherwise, you seem to be arguing with 
 yourself, imo. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Translated from the Latin, I argue therefore I am. This 
  is a play on Cogito ergo sum -- I think therefore I am, 
  and is held as a credo by those whose only possible mode 
  of social interaction seems to be trying to provoke people 
  into arguing with them. 
  
  My theory is that we should treat such people according to 
  their own credo. If some part of them really feels as if 
  they don't exist unless they are arguing, ignore them and 
  see if that turns out to be true. If it does, win-win.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

On 09/05/2011 08:55 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
 10 years!  Nice work Rick.

 The place serves as a reliable place to write, to interact with interesting 
 people willing to put fingers on keys to express themselves.  It has done me 
 a lot of good, and continues to be a valuable intellectual resource and 
 mirror for my evolving perspectives on life.

 Weird how you launched it right before 9-11.  Oh wait, that isn't weird at 
 all, this is just my brain connecting things and imposing a pattern where no 
 pattern exists!

You mean sorta like the pattern that 19 Arabas equipped with box cutters 
were able to commandeer airliners and bring the nation to it's knees?  
That one's a real hoot.

Happy Birthday FFL! :-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
 ME:But as Judy pointed out, you believe you have
 a magical, spiritual solution to all these 
 problems

Please don't put words in my mouth, Curtis.

Here's what I actually said:

I think it needs to be done both ways at once, so 
I don't really agree with him.
   
   Since you didn't define what the ways were, I was left to
   speculate that it included the spiritual field effect
   emanating from special people doing special things.
  
  (Special is another denigrating term you use to load your
  arguments.)
 
 If a person was able to exert power over the environment
 using their mind only in a field effect it would be special.
 The terms used for such people designate them as such like
 the terms saint or his holiness.

You use it in the Church Lady sense, with a sneer. And it's
a non sequitur in the context of inner healing anyway.

  A speculation without basis. Inner healing, the phrase
  I used, can happen in all sorts of ways. Ravi didn't
  specify a particular way either. You weren't left to
  speculate, you simply wanted to put me down, after having
  put Ravi down for the same reason.
 
 Yeah, I am completely unfamiliar with your points of view
 and beliefs.

??? What does that have to do with anything?

   Or did you only restrict it to personally teaching everyone to 
   meditate?
  
  Doesn't even have to involve meditation. Different strokes
  for different folks.
 
 So coy.  So I am left to continue speculation from previous
 posts.

Nope, zero coy, and no speculation about a particular
approach is called for, because none was implied. You
decided to infer one because it gave you a chance to
put me down.

I didn't characterize Ravi's approach as magical.
   
   I know that,
  
  Then why did you say it was what I had pointed out?
 
 This is a dll in your responses.

What's a dll?

 I rephrase your point as I see it and you object that I am
 being inaccurate.  In some cases I might be misconstruing
 what you said and your objections are valid.  In some it
 should be clear that I am presenting your point as I see it.
 Judgment call which this is.  We will disagree.

We sure will. You weren't just misconstruing, you were
reading something into what I said that was most
definitely not there.

snip
   I guess you need to define what you include in your concept 
   of inner healing for me to understand if you don't want me
   to assume.
  
  Anything that works to calm the kind of inner disharmony
  that results, for example, in instantly labeling someone
  a right-winger when they refuse to accept one's views of
  MLK.
 
 Let's retrace some steps.  Ravi dissed the work of MLK and I
 defended it.  Ravi then doubled down with an unintended parody
 of negative stereotypes about black culture reducing it all to
 a Tyler Perry movie scene.  I objected that this type of
 language is inaccurate,and reminds me of they type of hate
 speech certain unnamed groups.  Ravi responded that he in fact
 loves the emotional black people he has met.
 
 Now I ask you.  If this was all a discussion about the harmful
 effects of using sexist language, would you be so quick to
 defend Ravi?

First, I disagree with your description of what Ravi said.
Second, I'm not defending Ravi so much as criticizing you.
Third, if it were clear from Ravi's past posts that he wasn't
a sexist, I might point out that the language was problematic,
but I wouldn't, you know, attack him for being a sexist pig.

And what I actually pointed out was that you had
attempted to falsely paint Ravi as a bigoted right-
winger, again to load your argument. In this
discussion, you have not, as far as I can see, even
attempted to grok his perspective.
   
   I was pointing out that his reduction of all black society
   into ghetto criminal life was similar.
  
  And implying that therefore the basis for his views was
  similar.
 
 He was using the language of negative stereotypes on the
 heels of dismissing MLK's achievements.  I find it odd
 that you find my defense more objectionable than his
 language.

I wasn't objecting to your defense of MLK. As to negative
stereotypes, see more below.

snip
  Well, no, you *don't* grok his perspective if you call his
  disrespect for MLK unwarranted. Would you acknowledge
  that I grokked your perspective if I called your disrespect
  for MMY, Guru Dev, et al. unwarranted? Your call for
  respect for your own icons is on pretty shaky ground given
  your lack of respect for the icons of others.
 
 I used the term disrespect unwisely.  On reflection I don't
 believe it is the right word.

OK.

snip
It takes a bit of work for those of us for whom MLK,
Gandhi, et al. have always been figures of veneration
to understand that a negative take on them does not
necessarily involve bigotry.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:
snip
[I wrote:]
 I can't imagine Rick was unaware that he had blown Shemp's
 cover when he posted it. I think that's *why* he posted it,
 to punish Shemp for having been nasty.
 
 And I think that's why Shemp left, because he figured Rick
 had done it on purpose.
 
[Rick wrote:]
 It's been a few years, so my memory is fuzzy, but I'm pretty 
 careful about protecting people's anonymity, even if they've
 abusive to me. I doubt that I outed him intentionally.

Check it out, post #244508. How could you not have known that
email was from Shemp?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

David is an old friend and has a web site:
http://www.vedanet.com/

There is a PDF article on mantras available there.

On 09/05/2011 10:24 AM, emptybill wrote:
 Marcio

 You might do better by buying the following books on
 www.Amazon.com, which give detailed explanations
 about mantras:

 Mantra Yoga and Primal Sound:
 Secrets of Seed (Bija) Mantra
 by David Frawley

 Also:

 Inner Tantric Yoga: Working with the Universal Shakti;
 Secrets of Mantras, Deities and Meditation
 by David Frawley

 However, these books will NOT tell you how to used them
 in TM meditation.


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marciotmer1306@...  wrote:
 Richrad

 great answer, very good your knowledge ... and on the advanced
 techniques ... Additions to Beej? Do you know anything about it ..?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oro ergo sum

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Translated from the Latin, I argue therefore I am. This 
 is a play on Cogito ergo sum -- I think therefore I am, 
 and is held as a credo by those whose only possible mode 
 of social interaction seems to be trying to provoke people 
 into arguing with them.

Written by a dude who has repeatedly boasted of how
successful he is at provoking people. The Master of
Inadvertent Irony strikes again.


 
 My theory is that we should treat such people according to 
 their own credo. If some part of them really feels as if 
 they don't exist unless they are arguing, ignore them and 
 see if that turns out to be true. If it does, win-win.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 12:57 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@... wrote:
snip
[I wrote:]
 I can't imagine Rick was unaware that he had blown Shemp's
 cover when he posted it. I think that's *why* he posted it,
 to punish Shemp for having been nasty.

 And I think that's why Shemp left, because he figured Rick
 had done it on purpose.

[Rick wrote:]
 It's been a few years, so my memory is fuzzy, but I'm pretty 
 careful about protecting people's anonymity, even if they've
 abusive to me. I doubt that I outed him intentionally.

Check it out, post #244508. How could you not have known that
email was from Shemp?

I don't think I did. Not everyone possesses your powers of observation and
memory in these matters, least of all I.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

On Sep 5, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:

 - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote:
 
 On Sep 5, 2011, at 8:46 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
 I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a 
 visit. LB Shriver, Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did 
 invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk Bernhardt. Can you think of others?
 
 Bob Brigante!
 
 Shemp.  Ever since he and OW had their final
 run-in, neither has been heard from since.
 
 My guess is that they made some kind of bet
 as to who could refrain from posting here the 
 longest, and neither is willing to lose it. :-)
 
 
 Shemp unsubscribed shortly after Rick posted a really nasty email he had 
 received in response to a discussion on FFL. Rick and I sniffed around and 
 discovered that the nasty email was actually from Shemp, but from an email 
 address tied to his real name. With his cover blown, he unsubscribed.

Oy.  Who was the email supposedly from?

Sal

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Rick Archer
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:12 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@... wrote:
snip
[I wrote:]
 I can't imagine Rick was unaware that he had blown Shemp's
 cover when he posted it. I think that's *why* he posted it,
 to punish Shemp for having been nasty.

 And I think that's why Shemp left, because he figured Rick
 had done it on purpose.

[Rick wrote:]
 It's been a few years, so my memory is fuzzy, but I'm pretty 
 careful about protecting people's anonymity, even if they've
 abusive to me. I doubt that I outed him intentionally.

Check it out, post #244508. How could you not have known that
email was from Shemp?

I don't think I did. Not everyone possesses your powers of observation and
memory in these matters, least of all I.

But if I did, I shouldn't have, and I apologize to Shemp if he's reading
this. But the more I think about it, I was a bit taken aback by the email
and it didn't dawn on me before I posted it that it was from him.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

On Sep 5, 2011, at 10:55 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:

 10 years!  Nice work Rick.
 
 The place serves as a reliable place to write, to interact with interesting 
 people willing to put fingers on keys to express themselves.  It has done me 
 a lot of good, and continues to be a valuable intellectual resource and 
 mirror for my evolving perspectives on life.
 
 Weird how you launched it right before 9-11.  Oh wait, that isn't weird at 
 all, this is just my brain connecting things and imposing a pattern where no 
 pattern exists!
 
 Happy Birthday FFL.

I second that emotion.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... 
wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 
  wrote:
snip
   Shemp unsubscribed shortly after Rick posted a really nasty
   email he had received in response to a discussion on FFL. Rick
   and I sniffed around and discovered that the nasty email was 
   actually from Shemp, but from an email address tied to his real
   name. With his cover blown, he unsubscribed.
  
  Rick should never have posted the email without first
  asking and receiving permission to do so, IMHO, no matter
  who it was from, no matter how nasty it was. That's a
  serious breach of electronic etiquette.
 
 It's quite common for people to make an exception about
 posting private email when the email is abusive.

I should think it would be less common for the owner or
moderator of a group many of whose members don't use
their real names and apparently believe they have good
reason not to. At the very least he should have deleted
the name.

  Rick
   and I sniffed around and discovered that the nasty email was 
   actually from Shemp, but from an email address tied to his real
   name. With his cover blown, he unsubscribed.
  
  But Alex, it didn't take any sniffing around to recognize
  that it was from Shemp; it was obvious from what he said in
  the email. He wasn't attempting to hide who he was, he just
  mistakenly sent the email to Rick from the address linked to
  his real name. He had sent an email to me once the same way
  by accident.
  
  I can't imagine Rick was unaware that he had blown Shemp's
  cover when he posted it. I think that's *why* he posted it,
  to punish Shemp for having been nasty.
  
  And I think that's why Shemp left, because he figured Rick
  had done it on purpose.
 
 I looked in my Yahoo Inbox at the emails we exchanged about
 it, and Rick seemed surprised that it was Shemp. I think Rick
 just didn't make the connection.

The email clearly referred to a recent FFL discussion
in which the writer had participated--the last exchange
was quoted at the end of the email--but nobody had ever
posted here under the name attached to the email. One
would think that would trigger a red light warning that
the writer could be an FFL member who posted here using a
handle, and that the email name was the real one.

 Rick is very stong in his support of the anonymity rule,
 even to the point of granting the special dispensation of
 restored anonymity in the case of someone who had
 previously identified himself by his real name. If Rick
 had known that mail was from Shemp, I doubt he would have
 forwarded it without the email address redacted.

He coudn't have spent much time thinking about it if he
didn't realize it was written by an FFLer who posted using
a handle. If Rick is so strong in his support of the
anonymity rule, why didn't he take the time to be
reasonably confident he wouldn't be revealing a poster's
real name?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

On Sep 5, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

 On 09/05/2011 08:55 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
 10 years!  Nice work Rick.
 
 The place serves as a reliable place to write, to interact with interesting 
 people willing to put fingers on keys to express themselves.  It has done me 
 a lot of good, and continues to be a valuable intellectual resource and 
 mirror for my evolving perspectives on life.
 
 Weird how you launched it right before 9-11.  Oh wait, that isn't weird at 
 all, this is just my brain connecting things and imposing a pattern where no 
 pattern exists!
 
 You mean sorta like the pattern that 19 Arabas 

Would that be Arabs from Aruba?
Sal

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:24 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

 He coudn't have spent much time thinking about it if he
didn't realize it was written by an FFLer who posted using
a handle. If Rick is so strong in his support of the
anonymity rule, why didn't he take the time to be
reasonably confident he wouldn't be revealing a poster's
real name?

I don't spend much time thinking about anything. I do these things during
brief interludes in my work, and tend to shoot from the hip.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

On 09/05/2011 11:24 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
 On Sep 5, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

 On 09/05/2011 08:55 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
 10 years!  Nice work Rick.

 The place serves as a reliable place to write, to interact with interesting 
 people willing to put fingers on keys to express themselves.  It has done 
 me a lot of good, and continues to be a valuable intellectual resource and 
 mirror for my evolving perspectives on life.

 Weird how you launched it right before 9-11.  Oh wait, that isn't weird at 
 all, this is just my brain connecting things and imposing a pattern where 
 no pattern exists!
 You mean sorta like the pattern that 19 Arabas
 Would that be Arabs from Aruba?

My keyboard must be burping today.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
  ME:But as Judy pointed out, you believe you have
  a magical, spiritual solution to all these 
  problems
 
 Please don't put words in my mouth, Curtis.
 
 Here's what I actually said:
 
 I think it needs to be done both ways at once, so 
 I don't really agree with him.

Since you didn't define what the ways were, I was left to
speculate that it included the spiritual field effect
emanating from special people doing special things.
   
   (Special is another denigrating term you use to load your
   arguments.)
  
  If a person was able to exert power over the environment
  using their mind only in a field effect it would be special.
  The terms used for such people designate them as such like
  the terms saint or his holiness.
 
 You use it in the Church Lady sense, with a sneer. And it's
 a non sequitur in the context of inner healing anyway.

Not always.  

 
   A speculation without basis. Inner healing, the phrase
   I used, can happen in all sorts of ways. Ravi didn't
   specify a particular way either. You weren't left to
   speculate, you simply wanted to put me down, after having
   put Ravi down for the same reason.
  
  Yeah, I am completely unfamiliar with your points of view
  and beliefs.
 
 ??? What does that have to do with anything?

It means I can probably guess what you guys have in mind but I could be wrong.  

 
Or did you only restrict it to personally teaching everyone to 
meditate?
   
   Doesn't even have to involve meditation. Different strokes
   for different folks.
  
  So coy.  So I am left to continue speculation from previous
  posts.
 
 Nope, zero coy, and no speculation about a particular
 approach is called for, because none was implied. You
 decided to infer one because it gave you a chance to
 put me down.

No. 

 
 I didn't characterize Ravi's approach as magical.

I know that,
   
   Then why did you say it was what I had pointed out?
  
  This is a dll in your responses.
 
 What's a dll?

Dynamic link library.  The sub programs that run your computer called up for 
basic functions in other programs like opening a file. In this case it is 
analogous for using a type of thinking which is formalistic. 

 
  I rephrase your point as I see it and you object that I am
  being inaccurate.  In some cases I might be misconstruing
  what you said and your objections are valid.  In some it
  should be clear that I am presenting your point as I see it.
  Judgment call which this is.  We will disagree.
 
 We sure will. You weren't just misconstruing, you were
 reading something into what I said that was most
 definitely not there.
 
 snip
I guess you need to define what you include in your concept 
of inner healing for me to understand if you don't want me
to assume.
   
   Anything that works to calm the kind of inner disharmony
   that results, for example, in instantly labeling someone
   a right-winger when they refuse to accept one's views of
   MLK.
  
  Let's retrace some steps.  Ravi dissed the work of MLK and I
  defended it.  Ravi then doubled down with an unintended parody
  of negative stereotypes about black culture reducing it all to
  a Tyler Perry movie scene.  I objected that this type of
  language is inaccurate,and reminds me of they type of hate
  speech certain unnamed groups.  Ravi responded that he in fact
  loves the emotional black people he has met.
  
  Now I ask you.  If this was all a discussion about the harmful
  effects of using sexist language, would you be so quick to
  defend Ravi?
 
 First, I disagree with your description of what Ravi said.
 Second, I'm not defending Ravi so much as criticizing you.
 Third, if it were clear from Ravi's past posts that he wasn't
 a sexist, I might point out that the language was problematic,
 but I wouldn't, you know, attack him for being a sexist pig.

And I didn't either, you are mischaracterizing what I said.  But you know that.

 
 And what I actually pointed out was that you had
 attempted to falsely paint Ravi as a bigoted right-
 winger, again to load your argument. In this
 discussion, you have not, as far as I can see, even
 attempted to grok his perspective.

I was pointing out that his reduction of all black society
into ghetto criminal life was similar.
   
   And implying that therefore the basis for his views was
   similar.
  
  He was using the language of negative stereotypes on the
  heels of dismissing MLK's achievements.  I find it odd
  that you find my defense more objectionable than his
  language.
 
 I wasn't objecting to your defense of MLK. As to negative
 stereotypes, see more below.
 
 snip
   Well, no, you *don't* grok his perspective if you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of authfriend
 Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:24 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

[I wrote:]
  He coudn't have spent much time thinking about it if he
 didn't realize it was written by an FFLer who posted using
 a handle. If Rick is so strong in his support of the
 anonymity rule, why didn't he take the time to be
 reasonably confident he wouldn't be revealing a poster's
 real name?

[Rick wrote:]
 I don't spend much time thinking about anything. I do these
 things during brief interludes in my work, and tend to shoot
 from the hip.

Maybe posting private emails without permission is
something you should run by Alex, if you're too busy
to assess whether you might be revealing something
that shouldn't be made public and might even be
damaging.

Or if you can't even take the time to do that, at
least delete the name and email address before you
post it, just to be safe.

(I personally don't think one should ever post a
private email without permission, unless it's a 
threat to do harm or something really dire that
*needs* to be made public.)

[FairfieldLife] Radha: The Feminine Nature of God


Radha: The Feminine Nature of God Gadadhara Pandit Dasa
http://huffingtonpost.com/gadadhara-pandit-dasa
  Hindu Chaplain, Columbia University  and New York University

   Millions will gather today, in India and   around the world, to
offer
prayers, worship, and devotional songs glorifying the appearance  
of the
Divine mother, Radha (Radharani) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radha .
Radha descended from the   spiritual realm
shortly after Krishna
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gadadhara-pandit-dasa/the-birth-of-krishn\
a-when_b_930370.html , approximately 5,000   years ago. She took
birth in the
small village known as Barsana, which is about 28 miles from  
Mathura,
the birth place of Krishna.
The word Radha comes from the Sanskrit verbal root radh, which
means
to worship, and the word rani, which means queen. Radharani can
be literally
translated to mean the queen of worship. In some texts, she is
described as
the supreme goddess who is worshipable by everyone.


She is the protector of all, and she is the mother of the entire
universe.

The answer to the question that has been on everyone's mind for
millennia is,
YES and NO. The question is: Is God a Man? God is not just male,
and
according to some Vedic scriptures, God has both masculine and
feminine
expansions.


In the Bhagavad Gita http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/ , Krishna provides
a sneak preview into these feminine
traits.
Among women I am fame, fortune, fine speech, memory,
intelligence,
steadfastness and patience.
However, in some of the more esoteric texts such as the Puranas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puranas  and the
Chaitanya-Caritamrita
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaitanya_Charitamrita , it explains
that the complete manifestation of God
includes his feminine counterpart, Radha. They are inconceivably
one and
different, as Krishna expanded himself into two for the purpose
of exchanging love.


There's a beautiful description in the Chaitanya-Caritamrita
which gives us
a window into the connection between Radha and Krishna.
Radha is the full power, and Lord Ká¹á¹£á¹a is the
possessor of full power.
The two are not different, as evidenced by the revealed
scriptures.
They are indeed the same, just as musk and its scent are
inseparable,
or as fire and its heat are non-different. Thus RÄdhÄ and
Ká¹iá¹£há¹a are one,
yet they have taken two forms to enjoy the mellows of pastimes.
This concept is not an easy one to grasp. If God is full and
complete, why does he
need to expand himself to exchange love? The next question we
can ask is why
does God need to do anything? God has a personality which
indicates that he has
preferences. Perhaps this need to expand for the purpose of
exchanging love speaks
of the importance love plays in the lives of all individuals.

Our desire to love and be loved comes from God. For the most
part, no one wants
to be alone, at least not permanently. The thing everyone is
chasing after is love.
We all want to know that there are people out there that love
us. Simultaneously,
we hanker to be able to give our love to others.

There is another passage in the Caitanya-Caritamrita that
describes Radha's qualities and love for Krishna.
Radharani's body, mind, and words are steeped in love for
Krishna ...
The body of Radharani is a veritable transformation of love of
Godhead.
Even Krishna can't understand the strength of Radha's love which
overwhelms Him. Her transcendental body is complete with unparalleled
spiritual qualities. Even Lord Ká¹iá¹£há¹a Himself cannot
reach the limit of the transcendental qualities of Radharani.
These are some of Radha's prominent qualities:

1. Radha is adolescent and always freshly youthful.
2. Radharani is very sweet and most charming to look at.
3. Radha's face is smiling and ever blissful.
4. Radharani is the most exceptional singer and veena
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veena  player.
5. Radha's words are charming and pleasing.
6. Radha is exceptionally humble.
7. Radha is the embodiment of mercy and compassion.
8. Radha possesses Mahabhava, the highest sentiment of love.
9. Radha always keeps Krishna under Her control. Krishna
submissively obeys Radha's command

These topics of divine and spiritual love between Radha and
Krishna will always
remain a mystery as long as we remain on the material platform.
Love on the
spiritual platform is devoid of selfishness. The needs and
interests on the other
take precedence over one's own needs. The kind of love that
comes closest to
spiritual love is the love exhibited by a mother towards her
child. It's full of sacrifice
and is completely selfless; it is without expectation.

The feeling of love is derived from the service itself. The

[FairfieldLife] All the Pretty Little Horses - by Odetta


According to Living Documents in American History from Earliest Colonial Times 
to the Civil War, edited by John A Scott, (Trident Press 1963), this beautiful 
song was collected by Alan Lomax, who learned it from his mother, who took it 
from North Carolina to Texas after the Civil War.

This simple, lovely version is by Odetta Holmes,(December 31, 1930  December 
2, 2008). 

All the Pretty Little Horses - by Odetta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7QXidR_Aks

[FairfieldLife] 'Hoffa plays Hardball w/G.O.P.'

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/05/jimmy_hoffa_at_obama_event_on_gop_lets_take_these_son_of_bitches_out.html

[FairfieldLife] Well, guNaa guNeSu vartante (free will)?

2011-09-05 Thread cardemaister


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i3AiOS4nCE

[FairfieldLife] 'Beatles~We Can Work it Out!'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN-Ee7uXKYoNR=1

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Big Flash

2011-09-05 Thread sparaig

So, you seem to imply that MMY taught the big flash theory.

How do you explain his use of Shankara's metaphor of dipping a cloth into gold 
dye and letting it fade in the sun to explain the process of gaining 
enlightenment through TM practice?

The process of color-fasting takes a lot of cycles of dipping and fading and 
seems to me to be very much different than the big flash.

Don'y you agree?

L.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 On another forum, some are discussing a topic that I find interesting,
 so I'll echo it here. Many on that forum believe in the Big Flash Theory
 Of Enlightenment. That is, you have one big awakening or realization
 experience, and then you're enlightened. No going back. Game over. Home
 free.
 
 Then there are others, like myself, who swing more behind the theory
 that there can be Many Awakenings, pleasant while they're going on but
 temporary, and then they can fade, leaving one decidedly NOT
 enlightened.
 
 What do you guys think?
 
 My feeling is that a lot of us *brought with us* when we came to the
 spiritual path a belief in the Big Flash Theory. It was just part of the
 environment, in every image of enlightenment you'd ever seen. It was
 even in cartoons about enlightenment. You had one Big Flash and that was
 it -- you were enlightened from that moment on. I know that I believed
 this, long before I ever met Maharishi.
 
 Imagine my surprise then when in Fiuggi I had me a Class A awakening
 experience. One of my one-hour meditations one morning turned into a
 six-hour one. And when I opened my eyes, the transcendence (thoughtless
 samadhi) I had been experiencing for those six hours didn't go away. I
 got dressed and walked to dinner, and it still didn't go away. It didn't
 go away for two weeks. Classic MMY description of CC. I thought I was
 home free. Game over. Enlightened.
 
 And then it went away. To this day this is probably the spiritual
 experience I am most thankful for. That was a wake-up call for me,
 spiritually. It taught me that many of my assumptions about this whole
 enlightenment thang were false, and that maybe I ought to go back to
 the drawing board with some of them.
 
 I see the belief in the Big Flash Theory at the heart of many of the
 ills we've discussed in the spiritual marketplace. It is so prevalent
 that we see far too many have a flashy realization experience, feel that
 it's the Big Flash, and declare themselves enlightened. A few go on to
 do justice to that claim. Others, not so much; they descend into
 charlatanry or worse.
 
 I'm thinkin' therefore that the Big Flash Theory Of Enlightenment, while
 possibly true for a few individuals, is a less productive meme to spread
 than the Many Awakenings theory. The former, if believed, can lead to
 hubris. The latter, if believed, tends to be a finger pointed at the
 moon of humility.

[FairfieldLife] 'Beatles! Paperback Writer'...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH3TvSxT288NR=1

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Big Flash

2011-09-05 Thread sparaig

I have had witnessing sleep almost continuously, every night since a week or 
three after I started TM practice, 38+ years ago.

WItnessing waking state? Not so much.

L.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:

 My experience mirrors Tom's phrase. I also had experiences like the ones Turq 
 talks about, witnessing for a day or two. The difference between those 
 transitory CC experiences and actually waking up, was that the CC experiences 
 were all on the backdrop of my identity composed of stories, whereas the 
 Awakening I had (in Spring 2005) was the crumbling of those stories, actually 
 felt them fall away for good. Then, as Tom's phrase goes, clarity has 
 occurred over time. 
 
 There is no possibility of my becoming un-Awake at this point, only finding 
 circumstances which challenge the inevitable expansion of my awareness, and 
 integrating them. Its actually kind of a game now. My awareness now unleashed 
 from its former belief in its limitations,  seeks out situations where it can 
 be limited, and always finds a way to bring the experience of infinity to the 
 situation. Then on to the next one.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   On another forum, some are discussing a topic that I find
   interesting, so I'll echo it here. Many on that forum believe in
   the Big Flash Theory Of Enlightenment. That is, you have one big
   awakening or realization experience, and then you're enlightened.
   No going back. Game over. Home free.
   
   Then there are others, like myself, who swing more behind the theory
   that there can be Many Awakenings, pleasant while they're going on but
   temporary, and then they can fade, leaving one decidedly NOT
   enlightened.
   
   What do you guys think?
   
   
  So far, the shift I experienced back in Dec 2005/Jan 2006 is permanent. 
  But, I don't regard it as a final end point. It's with good reason that 
  Waking Down calls it a second *birth* awakening. It's a beginning, not an 
  ending.
  
  As Tom T likes to quote:
  
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/151054
  
  Awakening is instantaneous; clarity takes place in space/time.

[FairfieldLife] 'Beatles 'Rain'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1v=MPjDMZiuhbQ

[FairfieldLife] Congrats Rick, on a successful group!

2011-09-05 Thread Sharalyn Pliler

Dear Rick,

Congratulations for starting FFL and, while thousands of other groups  
went down the tubes,  you had the magic touch to make FFL  became so  
successful. But what else would we expect from you?

I came in about two or three months after it started and was part of  
it until around '03  when other's got tired of my long, preachy  
posts in defense of the TMO, and I got tired of being called a true  
believer.

Just look how many great people FFL has attracted, like Tom and Rory  
and...well, I'm sure there are others, lol.

I also want to point out that I always admired how succinctly you  
wrote. It would take me pages to say what you said in two sentences. I  
also want to express my appreciation that you managed the group with  
such a fine hand, allowing people the freedom to say whatever they  
wanted, but still keeping control of the process to keep it from being  
a free-for-all.

Congratulations again, and may all your endeavors be as successful!

Sharalyn Pliler (formerly Harris)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:

 I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a visit. LB Shriver,
 Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk
 Bernhardt. Can you think of others?



Your efforts, including your interviews, are very much appreciated, Rick.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

2011-09-05 Thread raunchydog

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Alex Stanley
 Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 8:47 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote:

Happy Birthday FFLife! Thanks, Rick and Alex for such a glorious play station. 
Today is my birthday too. Sing it, Marilyn! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqolSvoWNck

  I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a visit. LB Shriver,
  Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk
  Bernhardt. Can you think of others?

 Bob Brigante!

 I emailed him and all the names mentioned, including Shemp, Brigante, Kirk
 Bernhardt, LB Shiver, etc.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Congrats Rick, on a successful group!

On Sep 5, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Sharalyn Pliler wrote:

 Dear Rick,
 
 Congratulations for starting FFL and, while thousands of other groups  
 went down the tubes,  you had the magic touch to make FFL  became so  
 successful. But what else would we expect from you?
 
 I came in about two or three months after it started and was part of  
 it until around '03  when other's got tired of my long, preachy  
 posts in defense of the TMO, and I got tired of being called a true  
 believer.

That wasn't quite all, Sharalyn.  You then came back,
after posting this little gem on the Kiosk
board, clearly upset and declaring how you 
wanted to spank everyone here (hello, Freud…)
who was getting a laugh out of your enforced
positivity:

BTW, how's that Kiosk thing going, anyway?

From: Sharalyn Harris homeonthefarm@...
Date: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:48 am
Subject: to all members anotherlight...
Offline
Send Email

It has come to my attention that someone on this list has sent a
critical
email to another member regarding something posted here.

This is not acceptable on the Kiosk.

Everyone has a right to an opinion, but the Kiosk is here to serve
the
community as a resource for positive information and exchange.
Anyone who
objects to anything posted here or to anyone's opinion should
address me
personally, or join Fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com where it is
acceptable to
express negativity.

If this happens again, I will report you to your email provider for
harassment.




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[FairfieldLife] A Quote for Labor Day from Abraham Lincoln



Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only
the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not
first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much
the higher consideration.

~~   Abraham Lincoln, our first Republican president, who offered
those words in his annual message to Congress in 1861

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Hoffa plays Hardball w/G.O.P.'

2011-09-05 Thread Mike Dixon

Well. So much for toning down the rhetoric as Obama suggested after the 
Gabbie Gifford's assassination attempt. Maybe Hoffa needs a bulls-eye painted 
on him or maybe he'll just disappear. Like father, like son. I wonder how much 
he has embezzled from Teamster  Pension and Health and Well-fair fund. It's a 
pretty commom practice. Two administrations(that I know of) of my local have 
been busted for doing that.

From: Robert babajii...@yahoo.com
To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 3:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Hoffa plays Hardball w/G.O.P.'

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/05/jimmy_hoffa_at_obama_event_on_gop_lets_take_these_son_of_bitches_out.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Quote for Labor Day from Abraham Lincoln

2011-09-05 Thread Mike Dixon

No capital, no labor. If no body is willing to invest in a project, nobody 
works and nobody gets paid... unless you can print up your own capital. Of 
course the Post Office is different. No layoffs, no work, still get paid.

From: do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Quote for Labor Day from Abraham Lincoln

Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only
the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not
first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much
the higher consideration.

~~ Abraham Lincoln, our first Republican president, who offered
those words in his annual message to Congress in 1861

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oro ergo sum

2011-09-05 Thread richardwillytexwilliams



turquoiseb:
 Oro ergo sum...

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Quis nostrud 
exercitation excepteur sint occaecat sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt. 
Cupidatat non proident, duis aute irure dolor ut labore et dolore magna aliqua.

Ut enim ad minim veniam, excepteur sint occaecat duis aute irure dolor. Ut 
aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Sunt in culpa ullamco laboris nisi cupidatat 
non proident. Sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt duis aute irure dolor lorem 
ipsum dolor sit amet.

Ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Mollit anim id est laborum. Consectetur 
adipisicing elit, sunt in culpa ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Cupidatat 
non proident, eu fugiat nulla pariatur.

Sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt in reprehenderit in voluptate ullamco laboris 
nisi. Duis aute irure dolor cupidatat non proident, consectetur adipisicing 
elit. Excepteur sint occaecat mollit anim id est laborum. Ut enim ad minim 
veniam, quis nostrud exercitation sunt in culpa. In reprehenderit in voluptate 
ut labore et dolore magna aliqua.

Qui officia deserunt ullamco laboris nisi lorem ipsum dolor sit amet. Quis 
nostrud exercitation. Eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Consectetur adipisicing elit, 
velit esse cillum dolore sunt in culpa. In reprehenderit in voluptate qui 
officia deserunt ullamco laboris nisi hocus pocus.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Hoffa plays Hardball w/G.O.P.'

2011-09-05 Thread William G



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote:

 Well. So much for toning down the rhetoric as Obama suggested after the 
 Gabbie Gifford's assassination attempt. Maybe Hoffa needs a bulls-eye painted 
 on him or maybe he'll just disappear. Like father, like son. I wonder how 
 much he has embezzled from TeamsterÂ  Pension and Health and Well-fair fund. 
 It's a pretty commom practice. Two administrations(that I know of)Â of my 
 local have been busted for doing that.


And what a disgusting pig he is; these greedy Unions are ruining everything, 
the latest victim is the US Post Office, before that GM.

Please Obama, don't print anymore money to feed these porkers.

[FairfieldLife] Post Count

2011-09-05 Thread FFL PostCount

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150 messages as of (UTC) Mon Sep 05 00:50:42 2011

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10 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
 7 RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com
 7 Marcio tmer1...@gmail.com
 7 Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com
 7 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
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 5 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
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 4 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com
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 2 sparaig lengli...@cox.net
 2 seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com
 2 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

2011-09-05 Thread P Duff

Nobody thought to invite me so I have invited myself.  I had posted a 
bit in a.m.t. 10+ years ago so IMHO I pretty much qualify as an 
old-timer.  It's great to see once again the folks w/ whom I spent 
memorable time, hanging in there and hanging out together.

P Duff


raunchydog wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:
 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Alex Stanley
 Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 8:47 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

  


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
 Happy Birthday FFLife! Thanks, Rick and Alex for such a glorious play 
 station. Today is my birthday too. Sing it, Marilyn! 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqolSvoWNck
 
 I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a visit. LB Shriver,
 Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk
 Bernhardt. Can you think of others?

 Bob Brigante!

 I emailed him and all the names mentioned, including Shemp, Brigante, Kirk
 Bernhardt, LB Shiver, etc.

 
 
 


-- 
Dirt kicked to the curb goes into the gutter.
Professionals kicked to the curb go into retail.

[FairfieldLife] A little chutney with your radio?

CBS owned Bay Area radio station KFRC has switched to an all Asian 
format mainly Indian:
http://radiozindagi.com/home.htm

Actually comes it good at my place.  Nothing like non-stop Bollywood.  
Truly madness.

Bay Area radio folks are also wondering what Cumulus will do to KGO.

Kyaa Bhaat Hai!

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Hoffa plays Hardball w/G.O.P.'

On 09/05/2011 12:40 PM, Robert wrote:
 http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/05/jimmy_hoffa_at_obama_event_on_gop_lets_take_these_son_of_bitches_out.html

I'm all for a war on the Republiscums.  They have truly ruined America!

Republiscums LOVE this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Ed6SlrUYQ

Tone down the rhetoric?  Hell no, let's rev it up!

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Hoffa plays Hardball w/G.O.P.'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zS4jw1yB2g

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 09/05/2011 12:40 PM, Robert wrote:
  http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/05/jimmy_hoffa_at_obama_event_on_gop_lets_take_these_son_of_bitches_out.html
 
 I'm all for a war on the Republiscums.  They have truly ruined America!
 
 Republiscums LOVE this video:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Ed6SlrUYQ
 
 Tone down the rhetoric?  Hell no, let's rev it up!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Radha: The Feminine Nature of God

This is helpful. Thanks!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@... wrote:

 
 Radha: The Feminine Nature of God Gadadhara Pandit Dasa
 http://huffingtonpost.com/gadadhara-pandit-dasa
   Hindu Chaplain, Columbia University  and New York University
 
Millions will gather today, in India and   around the world, to
 offer
 prayers, worship, and devotional songs glorifying the appearance  
 of the
 Divine mother, Radha (Radharani) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radha .
 Radha descended from the   spiritual realm
 shortly after Krishna
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gadadhara-pandit-dasa/the-birth-of-krishn\
 a-when_b_930370.html , approximately 5,000   years ago. She took
 birth in the
 small village known as Barsana, which is about 28 miles from  
 Mathura,
 the birth place of Krishna.
 The word Radha comes from the Sanskrit verbal root radh, which
 means
 to worship, and the word rani, which means queen. Radharani can
 be literally
 translated to mean the queen of worship. In some texts, she is
 described as
 the supreme goddess who is worshipable by everyone.
 
 
 She is the protector of all, and she is the mother of the entire
 universe.
 
 The answer to the question that has been on everyone's mind for
 millennia is,
 YES and NO. The question is: Is God a Man? God is not just male,
 and
 according to some Vedic scriptures, God has both masculine and
 feminine
 expansions.
 
 
 In the Bhagavad Gita http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/ , Krishna provides
 a sneak preview into these feminine
 traits.
 Among women I am fame, fortune, fine speech, memory,
 intelligence,
 steadfastness and patience.
 However, in some of the more esoteric texts such as the Puranas
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puranas  and the
 Chaitanya-Caritamrita
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaitanya_Charitamrita , it explains
 that the complete manifestation of God
 includes his feminine counterpart, Radha. They are inconceivably
 one and
 different, as Krishna expanded himself into two for the purpose
 of exchanging love.
 
 
 There's a beautiful description in the Chaitanya-Caritamrita
 which gives us
 a window into the connection between Radha and Krishna.
 Radha is the full power, and Lord Ká¹á¹£á¹a is the
 possessor of full power.
 The two are not different, as evidenced by the revealed
 scriptures.
 They are indeed the same, just as musk and its scent are
 inseparable,
 or as fire and its heat are non-different. Thus RÄdhÄ and
 Ká¹iá¹£há¹a are one,
 yet they have taken two forms to enjoy the mellows of pastimes.
 This concept is not an easy one to grasp. If God is full and
 complete, why does he
 need to expand himself to exchange love? The next question we
 can ask is why
 does God need to do anything? God has a personality which
 indicates that he has
 preferences. Perhaps this need to expand for the purpose of
 exchanging love speaks
 of the importance love plays in the lives of all individuals.
 
 Our desire to love and be loved comes from God. For the most
 part, no one wants
 to be alone, at least not permanently. The thing everyone is
 chasing after is love.
 We all want to know that there are people out there that love
 us. Simultaneously,
 we hanker to be able to give our love to others.
 
 There is another passage in the Caitanya-Caritamrita that
 describes Radha's qualities and love for Krishna.
 Radharani's body, mind, and words are steeped in love for
 Krishna ...
 The body of Radharani is a veritable transformation of love of
 Godhead.
 Even Krishna can't understand the strength of Radha's love which
 overwhelms Him. Her transcendental body is complete with unparalleled
 spiritual qualities. Even Lord Ká¹iá¹£há¹a Himself cannot
 reach the limit of the transcendental qualities of Radharani.
 These are some of Radha's prominent qualities:
 
 1. Radha is adolescent and always freshly youthful.
 2. Radharani is very sweet and most charming to look at.
 3. Radha's face is smiling and ever blissful.
 4. Radharani is the most exceptional singer and veena
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veena  player.
 5. Radha's words are charming and pleasing.
 6. Radha is exceptionally humble.
 7. Radha is the embodiment of mercy and compassion.
 8. Radha possesses Mahabhava, the highest sentiment of love.
 9. Radha always keeps Krishna under Her control. Krishna
 submissively obeys Radha's command
 
 These topics of divine and spiritual love between Radha and
 Krishna will always
 remain a mystery as long as we remain on the material platform.
 Love on the
 spiritual platform is devoid of selfishness. The needs and
 interests on the other
 take precedence over one's own needs. The kind of love that
 comes closest to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

2011-09-05 Thread Buck

Okay, alright the FFL birthday party is over, get back to 
your spiritual work now.  And, we could do with lots more effortless discipline 
from everyone around here now too.  Time to git back to your meditations. 
Everyone, now let's sit and close the eyes...

-Buck 
 



http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of Alex Stanley
  Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 8:47 AM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday
  
   
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
 
 Happy Birthday FFLife! Thanks, Rick and Alex for such a glorious play 
 station. Today is my birthday too. Sing it, Marilyn! 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqolSvoWNck
 
   I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a visit. LB Shriver,
   Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk
   Bernhardt. Can you think of others?
  
  
  Bob Brigante!
  
  I emailed him and all the names mentioned, including Shemp, Brigante, Kirk
  Bernhardt, LB Shiver, etc.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti - New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 09/01/2011

2011-09-05 Thread Buck

The year of jubilee is come,
Return, ye ransomed sinners, home.



 Blow ye the trumpet, blow,
 The gladly solemn sound;
 Let all the nations know,
 To earth's remotest bound,
 
 
 
  Adyashanti dares all seekers of peace and freedom to take the possibility 
  of liberation in this life seriously. 
 
 
  
  And Buck double-dares all meditators to return ye Home.  
  Absolutely, Buck too so hopes that you all will return to the path.  Come 
  back.  Come to meditation.  Life is so short and time slips away all the 
  time like sand running through an hour glass of life.  Take the possibility 
  seriously.  Come back to the domes and help out for yourselves and the 
  world.  Help with the numbers.  Even if only for just a visit back home. 
  
  http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html 
  
  -Buck in FF
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noah wayback71@ wrote:
  
   Folks, Rick interviewed Adyashanti for BatGap.  Adya is amazing and worth 
   checking out.  He describes enlightenment in such crystal clear, humble 
   and simple language.  He is considered a major figure in spiritual 
   circles these days.  I know he comes to Fairfield sometimes. - Rick also 
   recently interviewed Pamela Wilson.  Some of these people are from the 
   tradition of Ramana Maharishi. 
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
   
 




Buddha at the Gas Pump




published 09/01/2011


085. Adyashanti 
http://batgap.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=1f0fa28c6ae=16e07f16fe
 

Aug 31, 2011 06:02 pm | Rick

Adyashanti dares all seekers of peace and freedom to take the 
possibility of liberation in this life seriously.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

Happy Birthday RD - always enjoy your stuff!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of Alex Stanley
  Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 8:47 AM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday
  
   
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
 
 Happy Birthday FFLife! Thanks, Rick and Alex for such a glorious play 
 station. Today is my birthday too. Sing it, Marilyn! 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqolSvoWNck
 
   I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a visit. LB Shriver,
   Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk
   Bernhardt. Can you think of others?
  
  
  Bob Brigante!
  
  I emailed him and all the names mentioned, including Shemp, Brigante, Kirk
  Bernhardt, LB Shiver, etc.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, P Duff pduff@... wrote:

 Nobody thought to invite me so I have invited myself. I had
 posted a bit in a.m.t. 10+ years ago so IMHO I pretty much
 qualify as an old-timer.  It's great to see once again the
 folks w/ whom I spent memorable time, hanging in there and
 hanging out together.
 
 P Duff
 
 
Wow, there's a blast from the past. My recollection is that when you're not 
busy making beer for Homer Simpson, you enjoy married life with a woman who's 
heavily into some flavor of energetic, hootin'n'hollerin', twitchin' on the 
floor, Christianity. Welcome back!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

2011-09-05 Thread P Duff

Thank you, Alex. It's nice to be remembered.
After 25 years too many, Judy and I were divorced.  My ex-wife really 
likes the neighborhood so she became my neighbor, a scant five houses 
away; handy when her toilet acts up, like tonight.

Meanwhile I have moved on to something better by far.  I recently 
re-married (one yr tomorrow.  Happy Anniversary!) and we live a life of 
devotion.  Not some drippy, gold crown and bed sheet palaver, but by 
virtue of the better attributes that we enliven in each other.  Tami, my 
wife, asked me to each her to meditate but it has been over 30 yrs since 
I've taught.  I'm not sure that my transcender can hold all that 
material.  Anybody got Cliff Notes for TM instruction?

P

Alex Stanley wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, P Duff pduff@... wrote:
 Nobody thought to invite me so I have invited myself. I had
 posted a bit in a.m.t. 10+ years ago so IMHO I pretty much
 qualify as an old-timer.  It's great to see once again the
 folks w/ whom I spent memorable time, hanging in there and
 hanging out together.

 P Duff
  
  
 Wow, there's a blast from the past. My recollection is that when you're not 
 busy making beer for Homer Simpson, you enjoy married life with a woman who's 
 heavily into some flavor of energetic, hootin'n'hollerin', twitchin' on the 
 floor, Christianity. Welcome back!
 
 


-- 
Dirt kicked to the curb goes into the gutter.
Professionals kicked to the curb go into retail.

[FairfieldLife] What Democrats can do about Obama

2011-09-05 Thread raunchydog

Obama has ruined the Democratic Party. The 2010 wipeout was an electoral
catastrophe so bad you'd have to go back to 1894 to find comparable losses.
From 2008 to 2010, according to Gallup, the fastest growing demographic party
label was former Democrat. Obama took over the party in 2008 with 36 percent of
Americans considering themselves Democrats. Within just two years, that number
had dropped to 31 percent, which tied a 22-year low.

If would be one thing if Obama were failing because he was too close to
party orthodoxy. Yet his failures have come precisely because Obama has not
listened to Democratic Party voters. He continued idiotic wars, bailed out
banks, ignored luminaries like Paul Krugman, and generally did whatever he
could to repudiate the New Deal. The Democratic Party should be the party of
pay raises and homes, but under Obama it has become the party of pay cuts and
foreclosures. Getting rid of Obama as the head of the party is the first step
in reverting to form.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/09/04/favoritesonsanddaughters

Take the Obama vs. Hillary Clinton poll for Democrats.

In 2012, Democrats should nominate for president...

Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton

View Results

If Obama loses the poll above, will he lose his job?
If Obama loses to Clinton in that poll (above), is he sure to ...

lose the nomination
lose reelection
lose his temper
all of the above

View Results

http://orangepunch.ocregister.com/2011/09/02/obama-fading-hillary-rising-primary-challenge-looming/48871/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

2011-09-05 Thread seventhray1


Thanks for a fresh POV.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, P Duff pduff@... wrote:

 Thank you, Alex. It's nice to be remembered.
 After 25 years too many, Judy and I were divorced. My ex-wife really
 likes the neighborhood so she became my neighbor, a scant five houses
 away; handy when her toilet acts up, like tonight.

 Meanwhile I have moved on to something better by far. I recently
 re-married (one yr tomorrow. Happy Anniversary!) and we live a life of
 devotion. Not some drippy, gold crown and bed sheet palaver, but by
 virtue of the better attributes that we enliven in each other. Tami,
my
 wife, asked me to each her to meditate but it has been over 30 yrs
since
 I've taught. I'm not sure that my transcender can hold all that
 material. Anybody got Cliff Notes for TM instruction?

 P

 Alex Stanley wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, P Duff pduff@ wrote:
  Nobody thought to invite me so I have invited myself. I had
  posted a bit in a.m.t. 10+ years ago so IMHO I pretty much
  qualify as an old-timer. It's great to see once again the
  folks w/ whom I spent memorable time, hanging in there and
  hanging out together.
 
  P Duff
 
 
  Wow, there's a blast from the past. My recollection is that when
you're not busy making beer for Homer Simpson, you enjoy married life
with a woman who's heavily into some flavor of energetic,
hootin'n'hollerin', twitchin' on the floor, Christianity. Welcome back!
 
 


 --
 Dirt kicked to the curb goes into the gutter.
 Professionals kicked to the curb go into retail.

RE: [FairfieldLife] The Big Flash

My experience in interviewing all these people is that it happens every
which way. No two situations are alike, although if you surveyed enough
people you could roughly classify them. But I think gradual awakening, or a
sequence of smaller awakenings leading up to the big one, is much more
common than one big one. I also tend to believe that there will never be a
big one after which there is no further possibility of growth. My latest
interview (Adyashanti) goes into this at length.

 

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On Behalf Of turquoiseb
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 5:54 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Big Flash

 

  

On another forum, some are discussing a topic that I find interesting,
so I'll echo it here. Many on that forum believe in the Big Flash Theory
Of Enlightenment. That is, you have one big awakening or realization
experience, and then you're enlightened. No going back. Game over. Home
free.

Then there are others, like myself, who swing more behind the theory
that there can be Many Awakenings, pleasant while they're going on but
temporary, and then they can fade, leaving one decidedly NOT
enlightened.

What do you guys think?

My feeling is that a lot of us *brought with us* when we came to the
spiritual path a belief in the Big Flash Theory. It was just part of the
environment, in every image of enlightenment you'd ever seen. It was
even in cartoons about enlightenment. You had one Big Flash and that was
it -- you were enlightened from that moment on. I know that I believed
this, long before I ever met Maharishi.

Imagine my surprise then when in Fiuggi I had me a Class A awakening
experience. One of my one-hour meditations one morning turned into a
six-hour one. And when I opened my eyes, the transcendence (thoughtless
samadhi) I had been experiencing for those six hours didn't go away. I
got dressed and walked to dinner, and it still didn't go away. It didn't
go away for two weeks. Classic MMY description of CC. I thought I was
home free. Game over. Enlightened.

And then it went away. To this day this is probably the spiritual
experience I am most thankful for. That was a wake-up call for me,
spiritually. It taught me that many of my assumptions about this whole
enlightenment thang were false, and that maybe I ought to go back to
the drawing board with some of them.

I see the belief in the Big Flash Theory at the heart of many of the
ills we've discussed in the spiritual marketplace. It is so prevalent
that we see far too many have a flashy realization experience, feel that
it's the Big Flash, and declare themselves enlightened. A few go on to
do justice to that claim. Others, not so much; they descend into
charlatanry or worse.

I'm thinkin' therefore that the Big Flash Theory Of Enlightenment, while
possibly true for a few individuals, is a less productive meme to spread
than the Many Awakenings theory. The former, if believed, can lead to
hubris. The latter, if believed, tends to be a finger pointed at the
moon of humility.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Big Flash