[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, P Duff pduff@... wrote:

 Nobody thought to invite me so I have invited myself. I had 
 posted a bit in a.m.t. 10+ years ago so IMHO I pretty much 
 qualify as an old-timer. It's great to see once again the 
 folks w/ whom I spent memorable time, hanging in there and 
 hanging out together.

Welcome, P. I remember you and your characteristic walk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=iRZ2Sh5-XuM

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Big Flash

[Ravi Yogi]

I would agree based on my experience. However there was one noticeable
quantum leap - may be this what is referred to as the Big Bang. I would
use the following illustration. My destination was the temple and I was
walking along the crowded street. The journey was long and hard. However
the minute I entered into the temple I was stunned by the silence. Sure
there is still lot left to explore in the temple but this step was the
most critical, stepping from the crowded street into the temple. The
change in the landscape, the beauty, the silence is dramatic and most
memorable.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:

 My experience in interviewing all these people is that it happens
every
 which way. No two situations are alike, although if you surveyed
enough
 people you could roughly classify them. But I think gradual awakening,
or a
 sequence of smaller awakenings leading up to the big one, is much more
 common than one big one. I also tend to believe that there will never
be a
 big one after which there is no further possibility of growth. My
latest
 interview (Adyashanti) goes into this at length.



 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of turquoiseb
 Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 5:54 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Big Flash





 On another forum, some are discussing a topic that I find interesting,
 so I'll echo it here. Many on that forum believe in the Big Flash
Theory
 Of Enlightenment. That is, you have one big awakening or realization
 experience, and then you're enlightened. No going back. Game over.
Home
 free.

 Then there are others, like myself, who swing more behind the theory
 that there can be Many Awakenings, pleasant while they're going on but
 temporary, and then they can fade, leaving one decidedly NOT
 enlightened.

 What do you guys think?

 My feeling is that a lot of us *brought with us* when we came to the
 spiritual path a belief in the Big Flash Theory. It was just part of
the
 environment, in every image of enlightenment you'd ever seen. It was
 even in cartoons about enlightenment. You had one Big Flash and that
was
 it -- you were enlightened from that moment on. I know that I believed
 this, long before I ever met Maharishi.

 Imagine my surprise then when in Fiuggi I had me a Class A awakening
 experience. One of my one-hour meditations one morning turned into a
 six-hour one. And when I opened my eyes, the transcendence
(thoughtless
 samadhi) I had been experiencing for those six hours didn't go away. I
 got dressed and walked to dinner, and it still didn't go away. It
didn't
 go away for two weeks. Classic MMY description of CC. I thought I was
 home free. Game over. Enlightened.

 And then it went away. To this day this is probably the spiritual
 experience I am most thankful for. That was a wake-up call for me,
 spiritually. It taught me that many of my assumptions about this whole
 enlightenment thang were false, and that maybe I ought to go back to
 the drawing board with some of them.

 I see the belief in the Big Flash Theory at the heart of many of the
 ills we've discussed in the spiritual marketplace. It is so prevalent
 that we see far too many have a flashy realization experience, feel
that
 it's the Big Flash, and declare themselves enlightened. A few go on to
 do justice to that claim. Others, not so much; they descend into
 charlatanry or worse.

 I'm thinkin' therefore that the Big Flash Theory Of Enlightenment,
while
 possibly true for a few individuals, is a less productive meme to
spread
 than the Many Awakenings theory. The former, if believed, can lead to
 hubris. The latter, if believed, tends to be a finger pointed at the
 moon of humility.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

[Ravi Yogi]

Happy Birthday to FFL.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:

 I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a visit. LB
Shriver,
 Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk
 Bernhardt. Can you think of others?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..

[Ravi Yogi]

I would say action aligned with the dharma (individual, group), rooted
in the beloved.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 Krishna is action. That explains it?

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Haha. I cracked up at one of the ads, Brought to you by Slumdog
  Millionaire.  Bhahahaha. Kind of an add on funny to the situation.
  haha. Neil Patrick Harris plays a good specimen. lol. c- bhaha.
  
   If Krishna is complete, than does Krishna exist in both male and
  female?
  
  I guess I don't perceive Krishna as existing in me so can't really
  comment on that.
 
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
   
   
http://www.hulu.com/watch/28761/how-i-met-your-mother-cougar-traits
   
 
http://www.hulu.com/watch/28761/how-i-met-your-mother-cougar-traits
Watch the 2 more clips that follow it on the Cougar - very
funny. I
usually watch re-runs of Seinfeld, Frasier and That 70's show
but I
  got
hooked on to How I met your mother as well.
Lord Krishna is considered the purna (complete) avatar, My
essence
  of
Krishna was that only when you are totally established in your
inner
relationship with the beloved Radha that you are able to fully
  engage,
perform Karma, in the outside world in a playful, detached
manner
  with
your dharma which is in alignment with the dharma of your time,
  place
and the class of people you deal with. A perfect cog in the
wheel,
  the
wheel of samsara. A perfect dharma karma adhipati Yoga - actions
  totally
aligned with your innate dharma.
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@
wrote:

 Reference to How I met your mother.  I have not ever watched
the
show. Sorry I do not know the cougar episode. lol.

 Radha, being symbolic, for the beloved that Krishna has left
in
  his
innermost core. (As you state below.) Then, then you can
easily
  step
out and totally indulge like Krishna. brings to mind a house of
mirrors. The reflection continuing so far as to not see the end.
 Radha, as you say (Beloved) and Brindavan (Heart) what is the
  essence
of Krishna (?) as in respect to, total indulge?

 Oh the below first paragraph, bhahaha. East meets West. :P

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..

[Ravi Yogi]

Steve,
I'm very well aware of the progress made by blacks. I'm not here to
debate social issues. My point was that all social changes are
superficial, of the accidental, of the samsaara, of the maya. Regardless
of what the prevailing social conditions are we are masters at
creatinglimitations and feeling oppressed.  It's laughable at the level
of pain, misery and oppression I felt in my marriage.
I was a worse bleeding heart than the run-of the-mill liberals like
Curtis. When I was in the housing projects I would help the people there
despite being broke myself as a student, in spite of knowing well that
my money would be used for cheap wine or drugs. It was carried over from
my time in India when I used to cry at the poor people, a scene where I
saw someone eating from the garbage. I also tried to give advice to the
people at the housing projects even at the age of 22 but I was too young
to articulate myself well.
I am totally indifferent to conservatives, my audience is the liberals.
Conservatives rarely have the feeling heart, they judge every issue
using heartless moral, legal and ethical standards. Liberals OTOH are
very sensitive and feel the pain of others. This is awesome and a good
start.
I have myself gone through these typical stages. Typical childhood
stressors, resulted in carrying the infantile pain well into my
adulthood. The ability to really empathize with the poor and suffering,
manifested in my teens as revenge for the oppressors, interest in guns,
Communism, Marxism. Once I became an adult it manifested as social,
political utopia.
But due to the grace of my Guru I realized that I could only truly
empathize with others once I heal myself, till then it was projection of
my own inner wounds on to others. A bleeding heart liberal stuck in
false worship of pseudo spiritual icons is such a waste.
The natural progression of a bleeding heart liberal is to internalize
the pain, become enlightened,be a healer, a shaman.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@...
wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:


  Just for curiosity sake what is that you found excellent in his
 reply?

 Good questions.  See below:


   curtisdeltablues@ wrote:

Now I hope this is not a prelude for an analysis of a whole
racial
   group by its poorest members. This is the tactic of those groups I
 was
   telling you about who share your disdain for MLK but would never
 admit
   you because of your excessive brownness. Do you think I should
take
  time
   spent with the slumdogs of your own country as an indication of
 the
   potential and the basic nature of all Indian people?
   Subsidized housing and food stamps is one of
   the things our tax dollars pay for so every street intersection is
 not
   populated with a woman thrusting her baby at your car and crying
   baksheesh. It is one of our social services, which although not
   perfect, is not a way anyone is being oppressed. It is a lifeline.
I
   know people who escaped those conditions due to that leg up.

You should take some time to hang out in Appalachia to
understand
  how
   all white people are. Where I live we have ghettos, but we also
have
  an
   African American as the president of the United States. We have a
 rich
   community of African Americans in the middle and upper classes
whose
   situation I interact daily in my school work. They don't casually
   dismiss the work MLK did to transform their lives.

 I felt that these were pretty good points.

 I would like to say that the forced busing was a good point, but I
don't
 want to be a hypocrite.  I was present when that debate went full bore
 in my community, and I had attended one of those schools that was
asked
 to take students from poorer districts (although I graduated HS in
 1974), and I believe the that issue erupted after that.  I had and
 continue to have mixed feelings about that.

 On the other hand, my wife teaches at an advantaged HS where they take
 all students, (many from disadvantaged areas), and there have been
many
 remarkable stories with these students.

 In particular, the notion of the safety net was something that had not
 occurred to me.  Without the safety net we have here, I think indeed,
we
 would people begging as they do in many poorer countries.

 Now certainly I am conflicted on how to deal with racial issues as
they
 pertain to opportunity,  initiative,  single parent families etc.  I
 don't know how much carrot and how much stick should be employed.

 On the other hand, it is easy to dismiss these challenges as coming
from
 a PPL, as you often do.  I don't think that gets us anywhere.  You
have
 stated your point many times in a general way, but I think there is a
 lot of room for a more detailed discussion, especially since it seems
to
 be an issue you have experience with, and have thought about.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A little chutney with your radio?

[Ravi Yogi]

Thanks - I will checkout it while I'm still here.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 CBS owned Bay Area radio station KFRC has switched to an all Asian 
 format mainly Indian:
 http://radiozindagi.com/home.htm
 
 Actually comes it good at my place.  Nothing like non-stop Bollywood.  
 Truly madness.
 
 Bay Area radio folks are also wondering what Cumulus will do to KGO.
 
 Kyaa Bhaat Hai!

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Big Flash

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:

 My experience in interviewing all these people is that it happens 
 every which way. No two situations are alike, although if you 
 surveyed enough people you could roughly classify them. But I 
 think gradual awakening, or a sequence of smaller awakenings 
 leading up to the big one, is much more common than one big one. 
 I also tend to believe that there will never be a big one 
 after which there is no further possibility of growth. My 
 latest interview (Adyashanti) goes into this at length.

Thanks, Rick. I'm watching the Adyashanti interview 
now, and as others have said of him, he makes a lot 
of sense.

Congratulations on 10 years of FFL, and on your ongoing 
interview series. I think both have made a difference
and helped a lot of people.

[FairfieldLife] Cool Russian[!] software for Android?!

[cardemaister]

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.spb.shell3dfeature=search_result

[FairfieldLife] Movie miini-review: Page Eight

[turquoiseb]

I stumbled upon this movie and decided to watch it because
of Bill Nighy, whose acting I've liked in many recent flicks.
Turns out it's a pretty classic British spy-political thriller
in the John Le Carre or Len Deighton tradition -- no shoot-em-
ups, no car chases, no flash, just good old-fashioned spy 
work, which always comes down to the sifting of information
to see whether any of it really informs or whether it's just
random data.

Great cast of actors -- Nighy, Rachel Weisz, Tom Hughes, Judy 
Davis, Michael Gambon, Saskia Reeves, Alice Krige, Marthe
Keller, etc. The basic plot involves a senior MI5 agent who
is given a folder of information by his best friend (and also
Director General of the ministry) shortly before he dies of
a heart attack. In the folder (on page eight, natch) is one
little tidbit of information that indicates that the Prime
Minister (Ralph Fiennes) might be complicit in America's
secret imprisonment and torture of supposed terrorists. 
It's a little like Polanski's The Ghost Writer in this
respect, but more low-key, more...uh...British.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Big Flash

[noah]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  My experience in interviewing all these people is that it happens 
  every which way. No two situations are alike, although if you 
  surveyed enough people you could roughly classify them. But I 
  think gradual awakening, or a sequence of smaller awakenings 
  leading up to the big one, is much more common than one big one. 
  I also tend to believe that there will never be a big one 
  after which there is no further possibility of growth. My 
  latest interview (Adyashanti) goes into this at length.
 
 Thanks, Rick. I'm watching the Adyashanti interview 
 now, and as others have said of him, he makes a lot 
 of sense.
 
 Congratulations on 10 years of FFL, and on your ongoing 
 interview series. I think both have made a difference
 and helped a lot of people.


If you liked Rick's interview of Adyashanti - there is a nice series of 6 very 
brief talks called True Meditation by Adya on youtube.  Just about any talk he 
gives makes good sense and points back to Pure Consciousness/Self.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, P Duff pduff@... wrote:

 Nobody thought to invite me so I have invited myself.  I had posted a 
 bit in a.m.t. 10+ years ago so IMHO I pretty much qualify as an 
 old-timer.  It's great to see once again the folks w/ whom I spent 
 memorable time, hanging in there and hanging out together.
 
 P Duff

Thx for prolly, P! ;D

 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 But due to the grace of my Guru I realized that I could only truly
 empathize with others once I heal myself, till then it was projection
of
 my own inner wounds on to others. A bleeding heart liberal stuck in
 false worship of pseudo spiritual icons is such a waste.
 The natural progression of a bleeding heart liberal is to internalize
 the pain, become enlightened,be a healer, a shaman.


Thanks for the reply, and thanks for enumerating a few of the steps
along the way.  I think I better understand your perspective and some of
the seeming contradictions that make life and people interesting.

[FairfieldLife] Well, stambharuupaH (draft version)?

[cardemaister]

From Bhoja's comment on YS II 51

[...]yaH stambharUpI[1] gativichChedaH
sa chaturthaH prANAyAmaH. 

Translation:

[...]that [saH] which (yaH) [is] stambharuupo gativicchedaH,
[is] the Fourth praaNaayaama.

Seem to recall Vyaasa uses 'gatyabhaavaH', absence (a-bhaavaH)
of movement (gati).

Why does Bhoja use 'stambharuupaH'? Somehow we feel that word
is a tatpuruSa compound (for instance 'naama-ruupa' is
a dvandva: name *and* form). If that's the case, 'stambha-
ruupa' could mean *resembling*[2] a stoppage (of breathing),
referring to the occasional apnea during TM, which is
not total, they say...



1. On Yoga sutra super site (couldn't open it) that is 'stambharuupo'
(without sandhi 'stambharuupaH'). That's prolly the correct 
form, since that compound feels
like an adjective attribute modifying 'gativicchedaH', which
is a masculine gender word.

2. rUpa n. (adj. --- f. {A}, r. {I}) outward appearance, colour, form, shape 
(often --- adj. -coloured or -shaped, ***-like***, consisting of or in--), the 
right form i.e. beauty; nature, character, mark, peculiarity; circumstances; 
drama, play (cf. {dazarUpa}). -- Abstr. {-tA}Å f., {-tva}Å n.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oro ergo sum

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Translated from the Latin, I argue therefore I am. This
 is a play on Cogito ergo sum -- I think therefore I am,
 and is held as a credo by those whose only possible mode
 of social interaction seems to be trying to provoke people
 into arguing with them.

 My theory is that we should treat such people according to
 their own credo. If some part of them really feels as if
 they don't exist unless they are arguing, ignore them and
 see if that turns out to be true. If it does, win-win.

Following up, this was a generic rap. It wasn't inspired by anyone in
particular on Fairfield Life or by any recent exchange or set of them,
only by trends I've noticed over many years. My point was that -- across
the entire Internet -- there seem to be people whose preferred, and in
some cases ONLY, mode of social interaction is arguing.

If you analyze such people's posts over a long period, what you tend to
notice is -- IMO, of course -- that many of them don't seem to have much
to say *unless* they are arguing. It's as if something in them needs the
constant challenge of defending or proving the things they believe or
know to engage in discussion at all.

To address some of the comments so far, I do make a distinction between
writing provocatively and provoking arguments. The difference IMO
lies in intent. The intent of the latter is to start a one-on-one (or
many-on-one) argument, the point of which seems to be to win. The
former can be done just for fun, to see how people react to a
provocative statement. You can tell the difference based on the followup
-- do the writers of the original provocative statements get into it
with those wishing to turn it into an argument, or do the writers just
stand pat on what they said originally? I think there are many posters
here who fall into the category of provocative writers, but I would in
no way accuse them of provoking arguments. Provoking cognitive
dissonance, absolutely. But the thing that turns that into an argument
IMO is the arguing itself, the attempt to defend one's opinions or prove
them correct.

One of the things that continually surprises me about the spiritual
cybersmorgasbord is how many people seem locked into this Gotta argue
thang. They seem to come alive only when they can lure someone into
having an argument with them. Their other posts are often listless and
uninteresting, as if they don't feel they need to bring their best
game to mere discussions, only to arguments. Especially if those
arguments give them the opportunity to show off their ad hominem chops.
And all of this on so-called spiritual forums on which most of the
members believe that the only thing that can have beliefs is a self, and
that they're all working diligently to eliminate or diminish the
influence of that self. Yet the selves argue endlessly, and from my
fly-on-the-wall POV just get stronger and more established with every
win or imagined win. Go figure.

Don't get me wrong -- I have so been there, done that with the mindset
I'm describing. But I'm in recovery. :-)

I'm just bringing this up to give those on this forum who might feel I'm
addressing them directly -- even though I'm not -- to bounce off the
ideas I've presented. This is an example of the provocative writing I
described above; I expect some to get passionate in the defense of
arguing. Please, do so, if that floats your boat. But don't expect me to
argue with you. I said pretty much all I have to say on the subject in
my first posts.

[FairfieldLife] Tequila

[turquoiseb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVKsd8z6scw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVKsd8z6scw

At my normal writing cafe today, I watched three fairly young (20s)
Dutch guys take a break by popping back a few tequilas. They're Dutch,
so they didn't overdo it, and they didn't ask what kind of tequila it
was.

Sad. I used to live in a town with bars that had 200 varieties of
tequila, some of them straying over the line from beverage to artform.
Tequila is one of those rare liquors that has personality, and reacts
well to both careful cultivation and post-production (aging, the types
of barrels it's aged in, and how long you leave it in the barrels).

Living in Europe, I really miss good tequila. Good single-malt Scotches
I can get here. But good tequilas, not so much. They're just not
imported, because there is no perceived market for really upscale
tequila. By upscale bear in mind that I'm talking about tequilas that
would sell for upwards of $100 a bottle in the US, and that I've seen
sold at 15-20 bucks a shot.

These are sippin' tequilas. No one in their right mind would ever mix
one into a margarita. Nor would they do what the Dutch guys did and mix
the tequila with lime and salt, in a ritual that only makes sense when
dealing with piss-poor tequilas. (They were drinking Cuervo Gold, which
warrants the ritual.) Connoisseurs would just sip a good tequila
straight, kick back, and experience the explosion of tastes and
sensations as it hit their palates, and then later their psyches.

The best tequila I've ever tasted was not even a tequila. Technically,
it was a mescal; the difference is in variations in the brewing process.
It was not only a single-village, single-crop mescal -- meaning made
from agave plants raised in one crop in one village -- it was made from
wild (as opposed to cultivated) agave. The difference was as profound as
I've noticed in the past when dealing with great wines or with the
Chinese tonic herbs, such as ginseng. Where the herb comes from and
whether it's cultivated vs. wild *really* makes a difference. In the
Chinese view, wild is better because it had to fight harder to survive.
This gives the roots more character or power. I've found the same to be
true with agave. YMMV.

I now return you to your normal discussions of spiritual topics.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..

[obbajeeba]

 What the written word expresses on these message boards, lack the feelings of 
the organic being that are usually present in a live person's actuality, to 
describe the true nature:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc-V3NYckOI

 Intent of delivery by this faceless language, is usually absent, therefore one 
may think they are reading/hearing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRIJMxWACLo

Or is that the other way around?  : )

Shock value has kept this thread very much alive with political correctness in 
the lead. LOL

Salute y'all!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  But due to the grace of my Guru I realized that I could only truly
  empathize with others once I heal myself, till then it was projection
 of
  my own inner wounds on to others. A bleeding heart liberal stuck in
  false worship of pseudo spiritual icons is such a waste.
  The natural progression of a bleeding heart liberal is to internalize
  the pain, become enlightened,be a healer, a shaman.
 
 
 Thanks for the reply, and thanks for enumerating a few of the steps
 along the way.  I think I better understand your perspective and some of
 the seeming contradictions that make life and people interesting.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

[P Duff]

That's nice talk.

Think you it likely that were I possessed of such beefy, swaggering 
manhood that I should fritter away my time cavorting about town?  Rather 
I should find myself at home holed up w/ my wife, awash in libidinous 
excess.  Alas and alack, my walk more closely approximates this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRVdGam3G2U

It's a bitch getting old.

P Duff

turquoiseb wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, P Duff pduff@... wrote:
 Nobody thought to invite me so I have invited myself. I had 
 posted a bit in a.m.t. 10+ years ago so IMHO I pretty much 
 qualify as an old-timer. It's great to see once again the 
 folks w/ whom I spent memorable time, hanging in there and 
 hanging out together.
 
 Welcome, P. I remember you and your characteristic walk:
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=iRZ2Sh5-XuM
 
 :-)
 
 
 


-- 
Dirt kicked to the curb goes into the gutter.
Professionals kicked to the curb go into retail.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday

[RoryGoff]

* * Happy Birthday to You, RD! May this next year be filled to overflowing with 
all good things imaginable and unimaginable!

And Happy Birthday to FFL! Many thanks to You, Rick. What a fantastic place 
this has been to clarify the Work that needs to be done in any given moment! 
And also along these lines, if it weren't for FFL, Rena and I would almost 
certainly not be enjoying the sweet community here in Fairfield now. So for 
that, too, you have our gratitude and our thanks.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:

 Happy Birthday RD - always enjoy your stuff!
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
   From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
   On Behalf Of Alex Stanley
   Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 8:47 AM
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today is FFL's 10th Birthday
   

   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
   
  
  Happy Birthday FFLife! Thanks, Rick and Alex for such a glorious play 
  station. Today is my birthday too. Sing it, Marilyn! 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqolSvoWNck
  
I had meant to invite some of the old-timers back for a visit. LB 
Shriver,
Thom Krystofiak, Off World Beings (did invite him), Rudra Joe/Kirk
Bernhardt. Can you think of others?
   
   
   Bob Brigante!
   
   I emailed him and all the names mentioned, including Shemp, Brigante, Kirk
   Bernhardt, LB Shiver, etc.
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 Oh shucks. Thanks. It came from the heart. 
 I am really interested in seeing your worldly/wordy (lol) 
 review of Inland Empire. I will hold my breath beginning now..

You may breathe now. :-)

Suffice it to say that I think that your one-liner 
captured the experience perfectly. All that I would
feel compelled to add is the adjective, Trash.

The only thing I find more incomprehensible than the
TMO presenting David Lynch in the same sales present-
ation as the word coherent is film critics actually
believing this film had something to say.

I find myself heartened by reading that Lynch's friend
and fellow filmmaker Abel Ferrara saying that he thinks
that Lynch will never make another film. Good call,
David.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Inland empire reminds me of what one would feel like if a nurse 
   goes on break for an hour, immediately after leaving you hooked 
   up to an  IV of antibiotic one is allergic to. 
  
  Content with viewing links to long excerpts of Inland 
  Empire that were posted here, I confess to never having 
  bothered to see the movie. But your review comment above
  has me downloading it in the background at this very
  moment. That's one of the funniest movie review comments
  I've ever read. Well done.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..

[RoryGoff]

Beautifully put, Ravi. Until we internalize absolutely everything in our 
creation, take full responsibility for all of it, we are in a sense just 
attempting to whitewash the jail cell. That's why I like to point out that 
being beyond the three gunas means being beyond *all three gunas*, not just 
beyond rajas and tamas. It is a natural stage to want everything to be sattvic, 
but again, that is just whitewashing the jail cell. 

On the other hand, if the cell is whitewashed enough, it does actually 
dissolve, as the octopus or Cosmic Cephalopod remembers that all of that 
lovely/horrible camouflage is really Us! So favoring sattva does (or may) 
eventually clarify the intellect enough for it to recognize its own 
transparency, allowing the camouflagey distinctions to surrender back into our 
own blanched-out mindskin! Again, many thanks, Denise -- what a video that is! 
:-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmDTtkZlMwM


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 Steve,
 I'm very well aware of the progress made by blacks. I'm not here to
 debate social issues. My point was that all social changes are
 superficial, of the accidental, of the samsaara, of the maya. Regardless
 of what the prevailing social conditions are we are masters at
 creatinglimitations and feeling oppressed.  It's laughable at the level
 of pain, misery and oppression I felt in my marriage.
 I was a worse bleeding heart than the run-of the-mill liberals like
 Curtis. When I was in the housing projects I would help the people there
 despite being broke myself as a student, in spite of knowing well that
 my money would be used for cheap wine or drugs. It was carried over from
 my time in India when I used to cry at the poor people, a scene where I
 saw someone eating from the garbage. I also tried to give advice to the
 people at the housing projects even at the age of 22 but I was too young
 to articulate myself well.
 I am totally indifferent to conservatives, my audience is the liberals.
 Conservatives rarely have the feeling heart, they judge every issue
 using heartless moral, legal and ethical standards. Liberals OTOH are
 very sensitive and feel the pain of others. This is awesome and a good
 start.
 I have myself gone through these typical stages. Typical childhood
 stressors, resulted in carrying the infantile pain well into my
 adulthood. The ability to really empathize with the poor and suffering,
 manifested in my teens as revenge for the oppressors, interest in guns,
 Communism, Marxism. Once I became an adult it manifested as social,
 political utopia.
 But due to the grace of my Guru I realized that I could only truly
 empathize with others once I heal myself, till then it was projection of
 my own inner wounds on to others. A bleeding heart liberal stuck in
 false worship of pseudo spiritual icons is such a waste.
 The natural progression of a bleeding heart liberal is to internalize
 the pain, become enlightened,be a healer, a shaman.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@
 wrote:
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
 
   Just for curiosity sake what is that you found excellent in his
  reply?
 
  Good questions.  See below:
 
 
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
 Now I hope this is not a prelude for an analysis of a whole
 racial
group by its poorest members. This is the tactic of those groups I
  was
telling you about who share your disdain for MLK but would never
  admit
you because of your excessive brownness. Do you think I should
 take
   time
spent with the slumdogs of your own country as an indication of
  the
potential and the basic nature of all Indian people?
Subsidized housing and food stamps is one of
the things our tax dollars pay for so every street intersection is
  not
populated with a woman thrusting her baby at your car and crying
baksheesh. It is one of our social services, which although not
perfect, is not a way anyone is being oppressed. It is a lifeline.
 I
know people who escaped those conditions due to that leg up.
 
 You should take some time to hang out in Appalachia to
 understand
   how
all white people are. Where I live we have ghettos, but we also
 have
   an
African American as the president of the United States. We have a
  rich
community of African Americans in the middle and upper classes
 whose
situation I interact daily in my school work. They don't casually
dismiss the work MLK did to transform their lives.
 
  I felt that these were pretty good points.
 
  I would like to say that the forced busing was a good point, but I
 don't
  want to be a hypocrite.  I was present when that debate went full bore
  in my community, and I had attended one of those schools that was
 asked
  to take students from poorer districts (although I graduated HS in
  1974), and I believe the that issue erupted after that.  I had and
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tequila

[curtisdeltablues]

Nobody hipped me to that man!  Peewee

I share your appreciation for good tequila.  The mixto swill is agave 
adulterated with sugar in the mashing process so it cranks out alcohol with no 
flavor.  That is why the 100 percent agave on the label is for starters.  I 
would love to try the wild agave you had.  More natural character always 
improves spirits. Blanco-no aging, Reposito-aged in oak for 18 months and 
Anejo- aged for up to 3 years are all good in different ways.  But the tragedy 
for me is that it has a weird effect on my stomach, even when drunk in 
moderation that no other distilled spirit has on me.  So I can handle one and 
then have to switch. 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVKsd8z6scw
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVKsd8z6scw
 
 At my normal writing cafe today, I watched three fairly young (20s)
 Dutch guys take a break by popping back a few tequilas. They're Dutch,
 so they didn't overdo it, and they didn't ask what kind of tequila it
 was.
 
 Sad. I used to live in a town with bars that had 200 varieties of
 tequila, some of them straying over the line from beverage to artform.
 Tequila is one of those rare liquors that has personality, and reacts
 well to both careful cultivation and post-production (aging, the types
 of barrels it's aged in, and how long you leave it in the barrels).
 
 Living in Europe, I really miss good tequila. Good single-malt Scotches
 I can get here. But good tequilas, not so much. They're just not
 imported, because there is no perceived market for really upscale
 tequila. By upscale bear in mind that I'm talking about tequilas that
 would sell for upwards of $100 a bottle in the US, and that I've seen
 sold at 15-20 bucks a shot.
 
 These are sippin' tequilas. No one in their right mind would ever mix
 one into a margarita. Nor would they do what the Dutch guys did and mix
 the tequila with lime and salt, in a ritual that only makes sense when
 dealing with piss-poor tequilas. (They were drinking Cuervo Gold, which
 warrants the ritual.) Connoisseurs would just sip a good tequila
 straight, kick back, and experience the explosion of tastes and
 sensations as it hit their palates, and then later their psyches.
 
 The best tequila I've ever tasted was not even a tequila. Technically,
 it was a mescal; the difference is in variations in the brewing process.
 It was not only a single-village, single-crop mescal -- meaning made
 from agave plants raised in one crop in one village -- it was made from
 wild (as opposed to cultivated) agave. The difference was as profound as
 I've noticed in the past when dealing with great wines or with the
 Chinese tonic herbs, such as ginseng. Where the herb comes from and
 whether it's cultivated vs. wild *really* makes a difference. In the
 Chinese view, wild is better because it had to fight harder to survive.
 This gives the roots more character or power. I've found the same to be
 true with agave. YMMV.
 
 I now return you to your normal discussions of spiritual topics.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oro ergo sum

[richardwillytexwilliams]

turquoiseb:
 My point was that -- across the entire Internet -- 
 there seem to be people whose preferred, and in
 some cases ONLY, mode of social interaction is 
 arguing...

So, that's your argument. But, how did you get
across the entire Internet?

þ OLX 2.1 TD þ: When there is no more dualism, 
Oneness is no longer such. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote:


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmDTtkZlMwM
 

David Icke should see that.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, stambharuupaH (draft version)?

[richardwillytexwilliams]

cardemaister:
 Why does Bhoja use 'stambharuupaH'? 

There is a fourth type which is the spontaneous 
suspension of breath, while minutely observing 
something external or internal (Y.S. II.51).

http://tinyurl.com/33wy6kj

[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 Steve,
 I'm very well aware of the progress made by blacks. I'm not here to
 debate social issues. My point was that all social changes are
 superficial, of the accidental, of the samsaara, of the maya. 


What you mean is that you don't want to defend your position if challenged.  
But you have started the debate with your assertions.

Regardless
 of what the prevailing social conditions are we are masters at
 creatinglimitations and feeling oppressed.  It's laughable at the level of 
 pain, misery and oppression I felt in my marriage.
 I was a worse bleeding heart than the run-of the-mill liberals like
 Curtis.

You know if you use my name I'm back in the game.  You are a real label loving 
guy Ravi.  I don't know why you attach the term liberal to me, or what you 
mean by the term.  And the term bleeding heart seems kind of odd.  I am an 
educator but not a social worker.  I feel normal compassion, so I guess run of 
the mill fits my human sensitivity to others.  I believe you are using me as a 
canvas for your own projections.  But OK, I can take that. Let' see where it 
leads.

 When I was in the housing projects I would help the people there
 despite being broke myself as a student, in spite of knowing well that
 my money would be used for cheap wine or drugs. It was carried over from
 my time in India when I used to cry at the poor people, a scene where I
 saw someone eating from the garbage. I also tried to give advice to the
 people at the housing projects even at the age of 22 but I was too young
 to articulate myself well.

You might have been too young to know your ass from a hole in the ground 
concerning the issues they faced, did you consider that?  Maybe what they 
needed was not the advice of a very young person who didn't grow up in the 
projects. You might have done better to ask the elders in the projects what you 
could do if you wanted to help.  But I was too full of answers to listen to 
others in my 20's too Ravi so you were not alone in your naive confidence that 
you had valuable advice to give at that age.  What Ii was pitching at that age 
is what you are pitching below.  Spiritual panacea for all life's problems.

 I am totally indifferent to conservatives, my audience is the liberals.
 Conservatives rarely have the feeling heart, they judge every issue
 using heartless moral, legal and ethical standards. Liberals OTOH are
 very sensitive and feel the pain of others. This is awesome and a good start.

I guess you could paint some of the legislative agendas of the two political 
parties this way, but it doesn't match my experience about conservatives as 
people.  In an interesting brain study it was found that conservatives actually 
were more sensitive and had a bigger reaction to certain images which might 
explain why they are unable to stand feeling the pain.  But this is a new area 
of study so we will have to see if it holds up.  If I was going to broad stroke 
this I would say that conservative politics seem short sighted in the 
unintended consequences of allowing a society where opportunity for children's 
growth is so unequal.

 I have myself gone through these typical stages. Typical childhood
 stressors, resulted in carrying the infantile pain well into my
 adulthood. The ability to really empathize with the poor and suffering,
 manifested in my teens as revenge for the oppressors, interest in guns, 
 Communism, Marxism. Once I became an adult it manifested as social, 
 political utopia.

I'm not sure how much active oppressing is going on.  I see it more of a sin of 
omission. 

 But due to the grace of my Guru I realized that I could only truly
 empathize with others once I heal myself, till then it was projection of my 
 own inner wounds on to others. 

Let's stop here.  Are you saying that the objective reality you described of a 
brother selling his sister's sexual services was not real, but was only a 
projection of your own feelings?  

In my view we need to get over ourselves a bit and our own 
inner pain to feel true compassion for others.  But compassion isn't worth 
much to them.  They actually exist in their own real world of pain where our 
feelings about them is not the crucial issue.  You seem to be reducing their 
lives to some kind of mirror for your inner life.  This seems at best 
narcissistic and at worst solipsistic.

And if your guru is Amma she seems to be closer to Judy's view of a two part 
solution, inner and outer.  She unlike my own ex master seems to be willing to 
focus on the so called surface of life charities, you know where cretins like 
me live.

A bleeding heart liberal stuck in
 false worship of pseudo spiritual icons is such a waste.

You make so may assumptions and projections here about other people. I don't 
worship anyone.  I can appreciate a person's contributions to society without 
worshiping them.  You are creating an imaginary false dichotomy and 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Moving to LA..

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... 
wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmDTtkZlMwM
  
 
 David Icke should see that.

* * Yeah -- when it comes to shapeshifting, Lizards don't know JA CC!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A little chutney with your radio?

[Bhairitu]

Though it's a local AM station (1550 on the dial) they also stream so 
even Fairfield folks can dance around the house to Bollywood kitsch.  
Maybe even folks in the Netherlands.

On 09/06/2011 12:35 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote:
 Thanks - I will checkout it while I'm still here.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@...  wrote:
 CBS owned Bay Area radio station KFRC has switched to an all Asian
 format mainly Indian:
 http://radiozindagi.com/home.htm

 Actually comes it good at my place.  Nothing like non-stop Bollywood.
 Truly madness.

 Bay Area radio folks are also wondering what Cumulus will do to KGO.

 Kyaa Bhaat Hai!

[FairfieldLife] Re: A little chutney with your radio?

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 Though it's a local AM station (1550 on the dial) they also 
 stream so even Fairfield folks can dance around the house to 
 Bollywood kitsch. Maybe even folks in the Netherlands.

Not very likely, at least not at my house. One of
the only things I find less interesting than ancient 
India is modern India. But whatever floats yer boat. :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] All the Pretty Little Horses - by Odetta

[Denise Evans]

The interview embedded under the description is also very interesting.  I think 
it is time to repeat a little history and revive some of the themes from the 
civil rights movement for replay on the national level.


--- On Mon, 9/5/11, do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] All the Pretty Little Horses - by Odetta
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 12:04 PM















 
 



  



  
  
  

According to Living Documents in American History from Earliest Colonial Times 
to the Civil War, edited by John A Scott, (Trident Press 1963), this beautiful 
song was collected by Alan Lomax, who learned it from his mother, who took it 
from North Carolina to Texas after the Civil War.



This simple, lovely version is by Odetta Holmes,(December 31, 1930 – December 
2, 2008). 



All the Pretty Little Horses - by Odetta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7QXidR_Aks






 





 



  

[FairfieldLife] Hoffa, the Godfather of the 'Workers', (nyuk, nyuk).

[William G]

Get those bastards, We gotta a war here, We're you 'foot soldiers Mr. 
Obama


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWqKPWO5T4o

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A little chutney with your radio?

[Bhairitu]

On 09/06/2011 09:13 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@...  wrote:
 Though it's a local AM station (1550 on the dial) they also
 stream so even Fairfield folks can dance around the house to
 Bollywood kitsch. Maybe even folks in the Netherlands.
 Not very likely, at least not at my house. One of
 the only things I find less interesting than ancient
 India is modern India. But whatever floats yer boat. :-)

I just  find kitsch Bollywood music funny.  And no I couldn't listen to 
it all day but I could stand it longer than the Mexican polka stations 
around here (of which there are plenty).  The subject of the format 
change came up on a local broadcasting group.   I was surprised the 
station is still owned by CBS.   They're also supposed to be a talk 
station so they'll probably be discussing everything from chat to 
politics fervently in Hindi.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoffa, the Godfather of the 'Workers', (nyuk, nyuk).

[obbajeeba]

LMAO!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William G wgm4u@... wrote:

 Get those bastards, We gotta a war here, We're you 'foot soldiers Mr. 
 Obama
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWqKPWO5T4o

[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction

[obbajeeba]

pf. Thanks.

Many people look for friends who agree with them all the time. Many people 
marry people based on like thinking or agreeing. This can be a fatal mistake to 
the misdirection of the meaning of being coherent. The bubbles burst with 
reality at some point and that basis of understanding what coherence is, 
disappears. The friendship ends, the marriage ends. 

Trash,, the best compliment anyone can give to DL, is the truth. How many 
kowtow to every whim, of a person who gains notoriety in the world? (hehe, I 
have in the background the Godfather theme song, playing, posted by William 
G.) To have a seat at the elegant table of success, sipping glorified old grape 
juice together, caressed by the handlers, feeding the lion a piece of meat on a 
tray slid under the cage bars.  

Turq's one word, Trash, is a gift to DL. You would be a truer friend  to him 
than most. : )


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Oh shucks. Thanks. It came from the heart. 
  I am really interested in seeing your worldly/wordy (lol) 
  review of Inland Empire. I will hold my breath beginning now..
 
 You may breathe now. :-)
 
 Suffice it to say that I think that your one-liner 
 captured the experience perfectly. All that I would
 feel compelled to add is the adjective, Trash.
 
 The only thing I find more incomprehensible than the
 TMO presenting David Lynch in the same sales present-
 ation as the word coherent is film critics actually
 believing this film had something to say.
 
 I find myself heartened by reading that Lynch's friend
 and fellow filmmaker Abel Ferrara saying that he thinks
 that Lynch will never make another film. Good call,
 David.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
   
Inland empire reminds me of what one would feel like if a nurse 
goes on break for an hour, immediately after leaving you hooked 
up to an  IV of antibiotic one is allergic to. 
   
   Content with viewing links to long excerpts of Inland 
   Empire that were posted here, I confess to never having 
   bothered to see the movie. But your review comment above
   has me downloading it in the background at this very
   moment. That's one of the funniest movie review comments
   I've ever read. Well done.
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Quote for Labor Day from Abraham Lincoln

[Denise Evans]

This statement is reflective of the passive acceptance of our current plight, 
but historically, where did all the capital come from...the Universe?  Ahhh, 
yes, actually.
I was on a 10-mile hike yesterday deep into the mountains to what was an old 
mining town on the far shore of a lake below a glacier.  The amount of effort 
it took to build the road, haul the machinery, establish a town high in the 
mountains, in order to mine the ore was amazing...natural capital was exploited 
by labor - capital came first.
However, the above statement is not the point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_companies
Corporations/companies lack a soul and we have created and given our power away 
to these non-entities of our own making divorced from spirit and planet.  At 
this point, if we allow ourselves to be dictated by the soulless and separate 
company or corporate capital, with no accountability, no regulation, no 
fair compensation, we are agreeing to enslave ourselves to a structure we 
created, empowered, instilled with a merciless GOD (profit/money), and then 
finally gave human rights to (i.e. corporations are people too) How stupid is 
this?  And now, we are now reaping the benefits from our folly -  financially, 
politically, socially, etc. and are still unwilling to take back our power. As 
Danny Devito put so succinctly and which I've been saying for awhile as well, 
today's companies make their money on the backs of us workers - whether they 
reside within the US or have been outsourced - without workers, there is no 
company.  We need to stop giving
 our power away and remember that it isn't us against them, it's us as 
them. 
I absolutely think we should have let the financial industry reap the benefits 
of our folly and crumblewe have only delayed the inevitable and created 
even more pain for ourselves in the meantime as we observe our continued 
trajectory towards full enslavement.  
That's the negative outlook...we are hostage at this point, pure and simple.
--- On Mon, 9/5/11, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Quote for Labor Day from Abraham Lincoln
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 4:06 PM















 
 



  



  
  
  No capital, no labor. If no body is willing to invest in a project, 
nobody works and nobody gets paid... unless you can print up your own capital. 
Of course the Post Office is different. No layoffs, no work, still get paid.





From: do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Quote for Labor Day from Abraham Lincoln


  



Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only
the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not
first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much
the higher consideration.

~~ Abraham Lincoln, our first Republican president, who offered
those words in his annual message to Congress in 1861 






 





 



  

[FairfieldLife] Some Union Bosses Salaries + (the mugshots).

[WilliamG]

 [56] Meet the Union Bosses
\
..



Paul McNally In 2009, McNally raked in a whopping $477,224, a 107%
increase over his 2007 pay of $228,067.  Joining McNally in 2009 were
Martin Walsh http://unionsalaries.com/otherluckywinners.html ,
$306,599; Louis Mandarini
http://unionsalaries.com/otherluckywinners.html , $290,032 and Michael
Tranghese, $271,419.  View the official report of salaries of Laborers'
union bosses
http://unionsalaries.com/files/laborerscouncillm-22009.pdf






Charles Chuck Raso, President The  Bricklayers' Union boss raked in
$202,551 in 2009, up from $186,981 in  2007.  Of the 12 employees Raso
oversees, six made more than $100,000 in  2009, including the union's
office manager, who took home almost  $97,000 in 2009.  Other Raso
underlings that did well for themselves:  James Pimental, who took in
$118,496 of members' money and Robert Rizzi,  who brought home $115,256.
View the official report of salaries of Bricklayers'' union bosses
http://unionsalaries.com/files/local3bricklayerslm-22009.pdf





Jay Hurley Ironworkers Local 7 boss Jay Hurley took home $206,985 of his
members' dues in 2009
http://unionsalaries.com/files/ironworkersnationalhqlm-22009.pdf .  
His compatriots at Local 7 didn't fare too badly either, with the 
union's business manager, Michael Durant taking home $157,273 that year 
and Local 7's bookkeeper raking in $98,487.  View the official report of
salaries of Ironworkers' union bosses 
http://unionsalaries.com/files/ironworkerslocal7%20lm-22009.pdf  
http://unionsalaries.com/files/ironworkerslocal7%20lm-22009.pdf







Michael Monahan IBEW  Local 103 Michael Monahan took home $160,441, a 16
% increase from  2007.  Another Monhan on the union payroll, Charles,
took home $158,299,  or 14% more than he took in 2007.  Business manager
Louis Antonellis,  who famously was arrested for letting rats loose in a
busy restaurant  because the owner refused to use only union labor on a
renovation  project, raked in $144,914, a 16% increase over 2007. 
Another  Antonellis, Richard, received a 17% increase, taking in
$145,964 in  2009.  View the official report of salaries of IBEW 103
union bosses  http://unionsalaries.com/files/ibew103lm-22009.pdf  
http://unionsalaries.com/files/ibew103lm-22009.pdf





Mark Erlich Mark  Erlich is boss of the New England Regional Council of
Carpenters, who  in 2008 reported taking home $210,980.  Erlich has
plenty of company on  the union payroll, with 107 employees raking in
more than $10 million in  2009. Also of worthy mention is Dan Rego, who
brought home $110,564 of  members' dues in 2009.  View the official
report of salaries of Carpenters' union bosses 
http://unionsalaries.com/files/carpenterslm-22009.pdf  
http://unionsalaries.com/files/carpenterslm-22009.pdf





Kevin Cotter As  head of the Plumbers' union, Cotter took home $133,981
of his members'  dues money.  Despite having one of the smallest number
of members of the  unions analyzed, Local 12 managed to create positions
for five people  earning in excess of $100,000 in 2009.  View the
official report of salaries of Plumbers' union bosses 
http://unionsalaries.com/files/plumberslocal12%20lm-22008.pdf  
http://unionsalaries.com/files/plumberslocal12%20lm-22008.pdf







Lou Rasetta  Rasetta  took home $194,795 of his members' money in 2009. 
11 Local 4 union  officials took home more than $1.5 million in 2009. 
That figure does  not include the union's office manager, who raked in
$91,262 of members  dues that year.  View the official report of
salaries of Operators' Local 4 union bosses 
http://unionsalaries.com/files/operatorslocal4%20lm-22009.pdf  
http://unionsalaries.com/files/operatorslocal4%20lm-22009.pdf






Francis Frank Callahan, President Callahan's  2009 salary was
reportedly $144,614, a 30 percent increase from his  2007 base pay,
which is funded with members' dues.  The Massachusetts  Building Trades
Council is the umbrella group for all the construction  trade unions in
Massachusetts and wields exceptional political strength  because of
their fundraising prowess and ability to have union members  volunteer
to work on political campaigns.   View the official report of salaries
of Massachusetts Building Trades Council 
http://unionsalaries.com/files/mabuildingtradescouncillm-22009.pdf  
http://unionsalaries.com/files/mabuildingtradescouncillm-22009.pdf




Mary Vogel Vogel took home $107,288 in 2008 as the part time Executive
Director of the Construction Institute, a self-proclaimed union think
tank. To view Vogel's part-time salary and the rest of the Construction
Institute's 2008 tax returns, click here
http://unionsalaries.com/files/TCI%202008%20990.pdf










Union Salaries EXPO$ED[52][12][95] 
http://unionsalaries.com/images/c_mcnally.jpg[1788][89] 
http://unionsalaries.com/images/leadership_hurley%20%281%29.jpg   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Hoffa, the Godfather of the 'Workers', (nyuk, nyuk).

[Bhairitu]

On 09/06/2011 09:25 AM, William G wrote:
 Get those bastards, We gotta a war here, We're you 'foot soldiers Mr. 
 Obama


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWqKPWO5T4o

The Republicans have been waging war on the middle class for quite some 
time.  It's about time the middle class warred on them!

[FairfieldLife] Re: From Maharishi to Yoga Nation | On Point with Tom Ashbrook

[maskedzebra]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:

 http://onpoint.wbur.org/2008/02/07/from-maharishi-to-yoga-nation
To: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com
Subject: From Maharishi to Yoga Nation | On Point with Tom Ashbrook
 
Dear Rick,
 
Somehow this came at an appropriate time for me. Without getting into any 
details, I just want to say that I learned something I had to learn, from this 
broadcast.
 
Among other things I felt the powerful physical context of TM and Maharishi 
course through me, and once again it confirmed me in the notion that After 
Maharishi there can be nothing. He was It.
 
I know you disagree with this, but given what one's experience could be (and 
often was) doing TM—especially the feeling of what was objectively happening to 
the initiate to whom one had just whispered the mantra (and he or she was 
beginning to meditate)—it is inconceivable there could be anything as subtle, 
as innocent, as graced, as mechanically perfect as TM. Therefore anything else 
is not just going to be inferior to this (including the religious context 
within which it happens—beautiful, that: being an initiator), it is going to be 
intrinsically second-rate.
 
Then why, Robin, did it fail? did it become shipwrecked? did it ignominiously 
die in terms of the Dream of TM?
 
That is The question. Somehow (I am in the US right now as I write this, right 
near Pittsburgh) I aim to answer this question.
 
And I haven't yet.
 
But I appreciate you, Rick, and this latest contribution to my re-education 
regarding ultimate truth and creation and the self.
 
This program awakened something in me which I can now address (inside myself).
 
Somewhere you are tuned in, Rick; but perhaps you don't quite know exactly 
how—but I always get a good feeling off of you, something which often is quite 
independent of anything you write. Divine providence is behind my association 
with you.
 
Robin

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 3:10 PM
To: Rick Archer
Subject: From Maharishi to Yoga Nation | On Point with Tom Ashbrook
 
Rick,
 
Don't worry. The e-mail I sent to you yesterday, in the nature of things, did 
not lend itself to some response by yourself. I am not writing again in order 
to solicit that so far non-existent e-mail. But I did feel, after writing what 
I wrote, that I failed to make clear one very important point: the ultimate 
secret of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (the context within which he exists and existed 
in eternity) remains unrevealed and unknown. What I am about is trying to 
reconcile our experience of TM and Maharishi from the early and mid-seventies 
(as initiators and as persons who had personal access to Maharishi) with what 
has happened since then—and the status evidently Maharishi occupies in some 
public consensus (which is decidedly not 'eternal'). I continue to believe, 
despite my uncompromising judgment of Maharishi (and TM), that Maharishi and TM 
represents something profound—quite beyond what actually happened (in persons 
practising TM, in the actions of Maharishi which are a matter of historical 
record). In some paradoxical way, Maharishi holds the truth of what creation is 
all about—not in the sense that he was right, his teachings true, his integrity 
irreproachable. Rather in the sense that Maharishi and TM seemed to at one 
point in history hold within themselves the final and ultimate truth of 
everything, and that in some very real sense, the universe seemed to support 
this reading of TM and Maharishi.
 
The facts on the ground, one's internal life, eventually brought this 
assumption into doubt, and then finally, if one were sane and rational, one had 
to reject categorically the perfection of TM, the inviolate holiness of 
Maharishi as a spiritual Master. Essentially, then, confronting the basis upon 
which, in the early and mid-seventies, one, in the very depths of one's being 
and one's conscience, knew that TM was It, and that Maharishi was (easily) the 
figurative equivalent of Jesus Christ coming out of the East.
 
So, you see, I continue to believe that Maharishi, in some way that I cannot 
yet bring to articulated understanding or even conceptualization, represents 
the mystical counterfeit of what actually is the truth. Now not one of us knows 
exactly what that truth is that Maharishi metaphysically (and perfectly) 
falsified in his own being, in his actions, in TM and his teachings; but for 
me, that truth is a matter of potential experimental knowledge. I aim to 
discover it for myself, driven, inspired, wounded by the impersonation of that 
truth in the form of Maharishi and TM.
 
Listening to that program yesterday (From Maharishi to Yoga Nation) put me in 
the mind of what I was doing in my life, which continues to be the seeking of 
the truth that I was so certain I had found in Maharishi and TM (The universe, 
God, reality, appeared to make [between 1969 and 1976] a very strong impression 
upon my consciousness that this ultimate truth was 

Re: [FairfieldLife] What Democrats can do about Obama

[Denise Evans]

Happy birthday!

I have come to the conclusion that engaging in Dems vs Republican's is a 
waste of time.  Watching Obama struggle and cave, over and over, is a wake-up 
call to all.  The real fight is people vs corporate structure.  

Both political parties are enslaved to corporate power that we created.  We 
need to redefine and support the Democratic party to one that fights the 
correct fight.  Currently, the GOP more blatantly represents corporate 
interests, but I think Obama's actions (which are not consistent with the books 
he wrote or the platform he was voted in on) are also reflecting a truth we 
should take seriously.  

He isn't operating in isolation or in a vacuum. We should never underestimate 
the power of the current agenda or assume that one Democratic administration 
can turn the tide. 

We need to reset government, our ideas of public vs private, our concept of 
quality of life, our own subjugation to the almighty dollar and our tacit 
acceptance of its rules of engagement, etc.  We need a revolution..a 
non-violent revolution.  It is far easier to let our egos self-righteously and 
self-centeredly run the show, and distractedly amuse ourselves by wading 
through the endless variations and weeds of opposing points, then pull up and 
re-examine the bigger picture and our progress to that end in the context of 
humanity on the planet.  

I feel the same about all the religious movementsthey all are divined and 
interpreted by humans.  If one pulls up far enough to actually look at the 
original messages - they are all the same.  We've lost the original intent of 
the messageas humans, over and over throughout time and multiple attempts 
at civilization, we continue to exemplify how ego separates itself from spirit.

I loved the view of earth and the galaxy through the light years that Rick 
posted and the similar viewpoints of astronauts and space travelers that 
iterate the planet as one family.

I am fully guilty and stuck in this race around the gerbil wheel as well.  I 
ask myself what will it take to make a change...simple steps and a willingness 
to let go is what I'm coming down to.  



--- On Mon, 9/5/11, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Democrats can do about Obama
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 7:24 PM















 
 



  



  
  
  Obama has ruined the Democratic Party. The 2010 wipeout was an 
electoral catastrophe so bad you'd have to go back to 1894 to find comparable 
losses. From 2008 to 2010, according to Gallup, the fastest growing demographic 
party label was former Democrat. Obama took over the party in 2008 with 36 
percent of Americans considering themselves Democrats. Within just two years, 
that number had dropped to 31 percent, which tied a 22-year low.



If would be one thing if Obama were failing because he was too close to party 
orthodoxy. Yet his failures have come precisely because Obama has not listened 
to Democratic Party voters. He continued idiotic wars, bailed out banks, 
ignored luminaries like Paul Krugman, and generally did whatever he could to 
repudiate the New Deal. The Democratic Party should be the party of pay raises 
and homes, but under Obama it has become the party of pay cuts and 
foreclosures. Getting rid of Obama as the head of the party is the first step 
in reverting to form.



http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/09/04/favoritesonsanddaughters



Take the Obama vs. Hillary Clinton poll for Democrats.



In 2012, Democrats should nominate for president...



Barack Obama

Hillary Clinton



View Results



If Obama loses the poll above, will he lose his job?

If Obama loses to Clinton in that poll (above), is he sure to ...



lose the nomination

lose reelection

lose his temper

all of the above



View Results



http://orangepunch.ocregister.com/2011/09/02/obama-fading-hillary-rising-primary-challenge-looming/48871/






 





 



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tequila

[John]

As a reminder, tequila might be bad for your liver.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVKsd8z6scw
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVKsd8z6scw
 
 At my normal writing cafe today, I watched three fairly young (20s)
 Dutch guys take a break by popping back a few tequilas. They're Dutch,
 so they didn't overdo it, and they didn't ask what kind of tequila it
 was.
 
 Sad. I used to live in a town with bars that had 200 varieties of
 tequila, some of them straying over the line from beverage to artform.
 Tequila is one of those rare liquors that has personality, and reacts
 well to both careful cultivation and post-production (aging, the types
 of barrels it's aged in, and how long you leave it in the barrels).
 
 Living in Europe, I really miss good tequila. Good single-malt Scotches
 I can get here. But good tequilas, not so much. They're just not
 imported, because there is no perceived market for really upscale
 tequila. By upscale bear in mind that I'm talking about tequilas that
 would sell for upwards of $100 a bottle in the US, and that I've seen
 sold at 15-20 bucks a shot.
 
 These are sippin' tequilas. No one in their right mind would ever mix
 one into a margarita. Nor would they do what the Dutch guys did and mix
 the tequila with lime and salt, in a ritual that only makes sense when
 dealing with piss-poor tequilas. (They were drinking Cuervo Gold, which
 warrants the ritual.) Connoisseurs would just sip a good tequila
 straight, kick back, and experience the explosion of tastes and
 sensations as it hit their palates, and then later their psyches.
 
 The best tequila I've ever tasted was not even a tequila. Technically,
 it was a mescal; the difference is in variations in the brewing process.
 It was not only a single-village, single-crop mescal -- meaning made
 from agave plants raised in one crop in one village -- it was made from
 wild (as opposed to cultivated) agave. The difference was as profound as
 I've noticed in the past when dealing with great wines or with the
 Chinese tonic herbs, such as ginseng. Where the herb comes from and
 whether it's cultivated vs. wild *really* makes a difference. In the
 Chinese view, wild is better because it had to fight harder to survive.
 This gives the roots more character or power. I've found the same to be
 true with agave. YMMV.
 
 I now return you to your normal discussions of spiritual topics.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Democrats can do about Obama

[John]

It appears that Obama is hanging all of his political marbles on the passage of 
a job stimulus package in Congress.  If it passes, he could get reelected again 
next year.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:

 Happy birthday!
 
 I have come to the conclusion that engaging in Dems vs Republican's is a 
 waste of time.  Watching Obama struggle and cave, over and over, is a wake-up 
 call to all.  The real fight is people vs corporate structure.  
 
 Both political parties are enslaved to corporate power that we created.  We 
 need to redefine and support the Democratic party to one that fights the 
 correct fight.  Currently, the GOP more blatantly represents corporate 
 interests, but I think Obama's actions (which are not consistent with the 
 books he wrote or the platform he was voted in on) are also reflecting a 
 truth we should take seriously.  
 
 He isn't operating in isolation or in a vacuum. We should never underestimate 
 the power of the current agenda or assume that one Democratic 
 administration can turn the tide. 
 
 We need to reset government, our ideas of public vs private, our concept of 
 quality of life, our own subjugation to the almighty dollar and our tacit 
 acceptance of its rules of engagement, etc.  We need a revolution..a 
 non-violent revolution.  It is far easier to let our egos self-righteously 
 and self-centeredly run the show, and distractedly amuse ourselves by wading 
 through the endless variations and weeds of opposing points, then pull up and 
 re-examine the bigger picture and our progress to that end in the context of 
 humanity on the planet.  
 
 I feel the same about all the religious movementsthey all are divined and 
 interpreted by humans.  If one pulls up far enough to actually look at the 
 original messages - they are all the same.  We've lost the original intent of 
 the messageas humans, over and over throughout time and multiple attempts 
 at civilization, we continue to exemplify how ego separates itself from 
 spirit.
 
 I loved the view of earth and the galaxy through the light years that Rick 
 posted and the similar viewpoints of astronauts and space travelers that 
 iterate the planet as one family.
 
 I am fully guilty and stuck in this race around the gerbil wheel as well.  I 
 ask myself what will it take to make a change...simple steps and a 
 willingness to let go is what I'm coming down to.  
 
 
 
 --- On Mon, 9/5/11, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
 
 From: raunchydog raunchydog@...
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Democrats can do about Obama
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 7:24 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Obama has ruined the Democratic Party. The 2010 wipeout was an 
 electoral catastrophe so bad you'd have to go back to 1894 to find comparable 
 losses. From 2008 to 2010, according to Gallup, the fastest growing 
 demographic party label was former Democrat. Obama took over the party in 
 2008 with 36 percent of Americans considering themselves Democrats. Within 
 just two years, that number had dropped to 31 percent, which tied a 22-year 
 low.
 
 
 
 If would be one thing if Obama were failing because he was too close to party 
 orthodoxy. Yet his failures have come precisely because Obama has not 
 listened to Democratic Party voters. He continued idiotic wars, bailed out 
 banks, ignored luminaries like Paul Krugman, and generally did whatever he 
 could to repudiate the New Deal. The Democratic Party should be the party of 
 pay raises and homes, but under Obama it has become the party of pay cuts and 
 foreclosures. Getting rid of Obama as the head of the party is the first step 
 in reverting to form.
 
 
 
 http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/09/04/favoritesonsanddaughters
 
 
 
 Take the Obama vs. Hillary Clinton poll for Democrats.
 
 
 
 In 2012, Democrats should nominate for president...
 
 
 
 Barack Obama
 
 Hillary Clinton
 
 
 
 View Results
 
 
 
 If Obama loses the poll above, will he lose his job?
 
 If Obama loses to Clinton in that poll (above), is he sure to ...
 
 
 
 lose the nomination
 
 lose reelection
 
 lose his temper
 
 all of the above
 
 
 
 View Results
 
 
 
 http://orangepunch.ocregister.com/2011/09/02/obama-fading-hillary-rising-primary-challenge-looming/48871/

[FairfieldLife] Re: From Maharishi to Yoga Nation | On Point with Tom Ashbrook

[Yifu]

In a nutshell; what MMY offered as a sole technique is great, but as a 
popularity contest doesn't rise to the level of what makes a successful 
Movement or Religion (and thus crashes in upon itself).

Without going into specifics at this time, set up a checklist of the most 
important components of successful Movements; and then compare to a Movement 
with all of the earmarks of success: namely, the Church of the Luminous 
Jellyfish. Make the comparison, do the figures, make the math, connect the 
dogs,  then go figure!...nope; no surprise here.

http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/previousshows/2008/almera/almera9.jpg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  http://onpoint.wbur.org/2008/02/07/from-maharishi-to-yoga-nation
 To: Rick Archer rick@...
 Subject: From Maharishi to Yoga Nation | On Point with Tom Ashbrook
  
 Dear Rick,
  
 Somehow this came at an appropriate time for me. Without getting into any 
 details, I just want to say that I learned something I had to learn, from 
 this broadcast.
  
 Among other things I felt the powerful physical context of TM and Maharishi 
 course through me, and once again it confirmed me in the notion that After 
 Maharishi there can be nothing. He was It.
  
 I know you disagree with this, but given what one's experience could be (and 
 often was) doing TM—especially the feeling of what was objectively happening 
 to the initiate to whom one had just whispered the mantra (and he or she was 
 beginning to meditate)—it is inconceivable there could be anything as subtle, 
 as innocent, as graced, as mechanically perfect as TM. Therefore anything 
 else is not just going to be inferior to this (including the religious 
 context within which it happens—beautiful, that: being an initiator), it is 
 going to be intrinsically second-rate.
  
 Then why, Robin, did it fail? did it become shipwrecked? did it ignominiously 
 die in terms of the Dream of TM?
  
 That is The question. Somehow (I am in the US right now as I write this, 
 right near Pittsburgh) I aim to answer this question.
  
 And I haven't yet.
  
 But I appreciate you, Rick, and this latest contribution to my re-education 
 regarding ultimate truth and creation and the self.
  
 This program awakened something in me which I can now address (inside myself).
  
 Somewhere you are tuned in, Rick; but perhaps you don't quite know exactly 
 how—but I always get a good feeling off of you, something which often is 
 quite independent of anything you write. Divine providence is behind my 
 association with you.
  
 Robin
 
 Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 3:10 PM
 To: Rick Archer
 Subject: From Maharishi to Yoga Nation | On Point with Tom Ashbrook
  
 Rick,
  
 Don't worry. The e-mail I sent to you yesterday, in the nature of things, did 
 not lend itself to some response by yourself. I am not writing again in order 
 to solicit that so far non-existent e-mail. But I did feel, after writing 
 what I wrote, that I failed to make clear one very important point: the 
 ultimate secret of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (the context within which he exists 
 and existed in eternity) remains unrevealed and unknown. What I am about is 
 trying to reconcile our experience of TM and Maharishi from the early and 
 mid-seventies (as initiators and as persons who had personal access to 
 Maharishi) with what has happened since then—and the status evidently 
 Maharishi occupies in some public consensus (which is decidedly not 
 'eternal'). I continue to believe, despite my uncompromising judgment of 
 Maharishi (and TM), that Maharishi and TM represents something profound—quite 
 beyond what actually happened (in persons practising TM, in the actions of 
 Maharishi which are a matter of historical record). In some paradoxical way, 
 Maharishi holds the truth of what creation is all about—not in the sense that 
 he was right, his teachings true, his integrity irreproachable. Rather in the 
 sense that Maharishi and TM seemed to at one point in history hold within 
 themselves the final and ultimate truth of everything, and that in some very 
 real sense, the universe seemed to support this reading of TM and Maharishi.
  
 The facts on the ground, one's internal life, eventually brought this 
 assumption into doubt, and then finally, if one were sane and rational, one 
 had to reject categorically the perfection of TM, the inviolate holiness of 
 Maharishi as a spiritual Master. Essentially, then, confronting the basis 
 upon which, in the early and mid-seventies, one, in the very depths of one's 
 being and one's conscience, knew that TM was It, and that Maharishi was 
 (easily) the figurative equivalent of Jesus Christ coming out of the East.
  
 So, you see, I continue to believe that Maharishi, in some way that I cannot 
 yet bring to articulated understanding or even conceptualization, represents 
 the mystical counterfeit of what 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tequila

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:

 As a reminder, tequila might be bad for your liver.

This is a quantity issue. 




 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVKsd8z6scw
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVKsd8z6scw
  
  At my normal writing cafe today, I watched three fairly young (20s)
  Dutch guys take a break by popping back a few tequilas. They're Dutch,
  so they didn't overdo it, and they didn't ask what kind of tequila it
  was.
  
  Sad. I used to live in a town with bars that had 200 varieties of
  tequila, some of them straying over the line from beverage to artform.
  Tequila is one of those rare liquors that has personality, and reacts
  well to both careful cultivation and post-production (aging, the types
  of barrels it's aged in, and how long you leave it in the barrels).
  
  Living in Europe, I really miss good tequila. Good single-malt Scotches
  I can get here. But good tequilas, not so much. They're just not
  imported, because there is no perceived market for really upscale
  tequila. By upscale bear in mind that I'm talking about tequilas that
  would sell for upwards of $100 a bottle in the US, and that I've seen
  sold at 15-20 bucks a shot.
  
  These are sippin' tequilas. No one in their right mind would ever mix
  one into a margarita. Nor would they do what the Dutch guys did and mix
  the tequila with lime and salt, in a ritual that only makes sense when
  dealing with piss-poor tequilas. (They were drinking Cuervo Gold, which
  warrants the ritual.) Connoisseurs would just sip a good tequila
  straight, kick back, and experience the explosion of tastes and
  sensations as it hit their palates, and then later their psyches.
  
  The best tequila I've ever tasted was not even a tequila. Technically,
  it was a mescal; the difference is in variations in the brewing process.
  It was not only a single-village, single-crop mescal -- meaning made
  from agave plants raised in one crop in one village -- it was made from
  wild (as opposed to cultivated) agave. The difference was as profound as
  I've noticed in the past when dealing with great wines or with the
  Chinese tonic herbs, such as ginseng. Where the herb comes from and
  whether it's cultivated vs. wild *really* makes a difference. In the
  Chinese view, wild is better because it had to fight harder to survive.
  This gives the roots more character or power. I've found the same to be
  true with agave. YMMV.
  
  I now return you to your normal discussions of spiritual topics.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oro ergo sum

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
snip
 I'm just bringing this up to give those on this forum who
 might feel I'm addressing them directly -- even though I'm
 not

Well, of course you are, and everybody knows who you're
addressing. After all, this is only the umptieth time
you've made this particular post.

 -- to bounce off the
 ideas I've presented. This is an example of the provocative
 writing I described above; I expect some to get passionate
 in the defense of arguing. Please, do so, if that floats
 your boat. But don't expect me to argue with you. I said
 pretty much all I have to say on the subject in my first
 posts.

It's not provocative, it's just lame, as it has been the
umpty times you've made the post previously. Just for one
thing, your observations are highly selective, both by
circumstance (you can't read other people's private emails,
so you have no idea whether arguing is their only means of
social interaction, and of course you don't know how the
vast majority of them interact live) and by choice (you
don't read the posts of some of the folks you're talking
about, for example).

A passionate defense of arguing is not called for, simply
the observation (made many times before in response to this
post and never addressed or taken into account) that some
people enjoy the intellectual exercise of having their
viewpoints challenged and attempting to defend them. You
don't; you like to hand your opinions down (the same ones,
over and over, most of them ad hominem) as if from on high,
and then stand pat, as you declare you're doing with 
this one.

Yawn. Seems to me that's even more protective of the self,
to constantly put down other people's selves while not
being willing to risk exposing your own to challenge and
engagement. But whatever gets you through the night...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oro ergo sum

[obbajeeba]

I love this love affair of Judy and Turq or Turq and Judy sitting in a tree... 
k- i- s- s- i- n- g !LOL. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  I'm just bringing this up to give those on this forum who
  might feel I'm addressing them directly -- even though I'm
  not
 
 Well, of course you are, and everybody knows who you're
 addressing. After all, this is only the umptieth time
 you've made this particular post.
 
  -- to bounce off the
  ideas I've presented. This is an example of the provocative
  writing I described above; I expect some to get passionate
  in the defense of arguing. Please, do so, if that floats
  your boat. But don't expect me to argue with you. I said
  pretty much all I have to say on the subject in my first
  posts.
 
 It's not provocative, it's just lame, as it has been the
 umpty times you've made the post previously. Just for one
 thing, your observations are highly selective, both by
 circumstance (you can't read other people's private emails,
 so you have no idea whether arguing is their only means of
 social interaction, and of course you don't know how the
 vast majority of them interact live) and by choice (you
 don't read the posts of some of the folks you're talking
 about, for example).
 
 A passionate defense of arguing is not called for, simply
 the observation (made many times before in response to this
 post and never addressed or taken into account) that some
 people enjoy the intellectual exercise of having their
 viewpoints challenged and attempting to defend them. You
 don't; you like to hand your opinions down (the same ones,
 over and over, most of them ad hominem) as if from on high,
 and then stand pat, as you declare you're doing with 
 this one.
 
 Yawn. Seems to me that's even more protective of the self,
 to constantly put down other people's selves while not
 being willing to risk exposing your own to challenge and
 engagement. But whatever gets you through the night...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oro ergo sum

[Yifu]

http://artfangs.com/NewFiles/IllusLaTeteaTete.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 I love this love affair of Judy and Turq or Turq and Judy sitting in a 
 tree... k- i- s- s- i- n- g !LOL. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  snip
   I'm just bringing this up to give those on this forum who
   might feel I'm addressing them directly -- even though I'm
   not
  
  Well, of course you are, and everybody knows who you're
  addressing. After all, this is only the umptieth time
  you've made this particular post.
  
   -- to bounce off the
   ideas I've presented. This is an example of the provocative
   writing I described above; I expect some to get passionate
   in the defense of arguing. Please, do so, if that floats
   your boat. But don't expect me to argue with you. I said
   pretty much all I have to say on the subject in my first
   posts.
  
  It's not provocative, it's just lame, as it has been the
  umpty times you've made the post previously. Just for one
  thing, your observations are highly selective, both by
  circumstance (you can't read other people's private emails,
  so you have no idea whether arguing is their only means of
  social interaction, and of course you don't know how the
  vast majority of them interact live) and by choice (you
  don't read the posts of some of the folks you're talking
  about, for example).
  
  A passionate defense of arguing is not called for, simply
  the observation (made many times before in response to this
  post and never addressed or taken into account) that some
  people enjoy the intellectual exercise of having their
  viewpoints challenged and attempting to defend them. You
  don't; you like to hand your opinions down (the same ones,
  over and over, most of them ad hominem) as if from on high,
  and then stand pat, as you declare you're doing with 
  this one.
  
  Yawn. Seems to me that's even more protective of the self,
  to constantly put down other people's selves while not
  being willing to risk exposing your own to challenge and
  engagement. But whatever gets you through the night...
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oro ergo sum

[obbajeeba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK-FRac7m58

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:

 http://artfangs.com/NewFiles/IllusLaTeteaTete.html
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I love this love affair of Judy and Turq or Turq and Judy sitting in a 
  tree... k- i- s- s- i- n- g !LOL. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
   snip
I'm just bringing this up to give those on this forum who
might feel I'm addressing them directly -- even though I'm
not
   
   Well, of course you are, and everybody knows who you're
   addressing. After all, this is only the umptieth time
   you've made this particular post.
   
-- to bounce off the
ideas I've presented. This is an example of the provocative
writing I described above; I expect some to get passionate
in the defense of arguing. Please, do so, if that floats
your boat. But don't expect me to argue with you. I said
pretty much all I have to say on the subject in my first
posts.
   
   It's not provocative, it's just lame, as it has been the
   umpty times you've made the post previously. Just for one
   thing, your observations are highly selective, both by
   circumstance (you can't read other people's private emails,
   so you have no idea whether arguing is their only means of
   social interaction, and of course you don't know how the
   vast majority of them interact live) and by choice (you
   don't read the posts of some of the folks you're talking
   about, for example).
   
   A passionate defense of arguing is not called for, simply
   the observation (made many times before in response to this
   post and never addressed or taken into account) that some
   people enjoy the intellectual exercise of having their
   viewpoints challenged and attempting to defend them. You
   don't; you like to hand your opinions down (the same ones,
   over and over, most of them ad hominem) as if from on high,
   and then stand pat, as you declare you're doing with 
   this one.
   
   Yawn. Seems to me that's even more protective of the self,
   to constantly put down other people's selves while not
   being willing to risk exposing your own to challenge and
   engagement. But whatever gets you through the night...
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoffa, the Godfather of the 'Workers', (nyuk, nyuk).

[richardwillytexwilliams]

Bhairitu:
 It's about time the middle class warred on them!

So much for working together.

Host Gretchen Carlson asked several times for a 
response to what Hoffa said, however Wasserman 
Schultz kept saying that the American people want 
us to focus on working together.

http://tinyurl.com/3w6n8du

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hoffa, the Godfather of the 'Workers', (nyuk, nyuk).

[Bhairitu]

On 09/06/2011 12:52 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote:

 Bhairitu:
 It's about time the middle class warred on them!

 So much for working together.

 Host Gretchen Carlson asked several times for a
 response to what Hoffa said, however Wasserman
 Schultz kept saying that the American people want
 us to focus on working together.

 http://tinyurl.com/3w6n8du

Why do you right wingers turn into such drama queens when left finally 
attacks you?   You've been attacking the left forever.  You don't seem 
to like it when the shoe is on the other foot, eh?  Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoffa, the Godfather of the 'Workers', (nyuk, nyuk).

[richardwillytexwilliams]

William G:
 Hoffa, the Godfather 

Uh, oh!

We're looking at impeachment for the most 
serious of charges, and possible criminal 
prosecutions for a widespread conspiracy to 
commit murder that walks right up to the 
line of the legal definition of treason...

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gunwalker-explodes-into-the-heartland/2/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoffa, the Godfather of the 'Workers', (nyuk, nyuk).

[WilliamG]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... 
wrote:

 
 
 Bhairitu:
  It's about time the middle class warred on them!
 
 So much for working together.
 
 Host Gretchen Carlson asked several times for a 
 response to what Hoffa said, however Wasserman 
 Schultz kept saying that the American people want 
 us to focus on working together.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/3w6n8du

When she squints her eyes you know, then, that she is trying to use her brain, 
it's most amusing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoffa, the Godfather of the 'Workers', (nyuk, nyuk).

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WilliamG wgm4u@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  
  Bhairitu:
   It's about time the middle class warred on them!
  
  So much for working together.
  
  Host Gretchen Carlson asked several times for a 
  response to what Hoffa said, however Wasserman 
  Schultz kept saying that the American people want 
  us to focus on working together.
  
  http://tinyurl.com/3w6n8du
 
 When she squints her eyes you know, then, that she is trying
 to use her brain, it's most amusing.

Indeed it is. Carlson is perhaps Fox's stupidest anchor,
but the competition is really fierce.

[FairfieldLife] Any value in leftist economics?

[Yifu]

No. Keynesian programs are the kiss of death. Utopian Socialism is unproven and 
could only work with enlightened planners at the top.  (hasn't happened yet 
in history). Could work for small-scale groups such as the Friends (Quakers). 
Mormons would have an advantage should there be a complete meltdown of society. 
 Groups of Evangelicals would likewise band together to ward off evil Road 
Warriors. 

http://i2.listal.com/image/226218/600full-kiss-of-death-poster.jpg

From Weiss Research's Safe Money Report, Sept 2011:

Get Ready for Dow 7,000!

** Economy closing in on recession...again!
** Fed, Congress, Obama out of magic bullets!
** Europe in crisis, banks falling apart!
** Real estate double-dipping!

Editor Mike Larson's conclusion: The US economy is sinking into a double-dip 
recession; but he blames the mess on Keynesian economic programs of Obama: If 
you listened to the so-called experts just a few months ago, you'd have 
expected the US to be in the midst of a vigorous recovery by now.  But those 
experts were dead wrong.

They didn't realize that the recovery was entirely bought and paid for by 
government stimulus and bailouts - artificial props that could not be 
sustained.

Key financial Indicators flashing Red - just like in 2008-2009

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoffa, the Godfather of the 'Workers', (nyuk, nyuk).

[richardwillytexwilliams]

  So much for working together.
 
Bhairitu:
 You don't seem to like it when the shoe is on 
 the other foot, eh?  Go figure.

Well, I figure Hoffa should resign. 

http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/05/tea-party-group-to-hoffa-resign/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoffa, the Godfather of the 'Workers', (nyuk, nyuk).

[richardwillytexwilliams]

  When she squints her eyes you know, then, that she is 
  trying to use her brain, it's most amusing.
 
authfriend:

 Indeed it is. Carlson is perhaps Fox's stupidest anchor,
 but the competition is really fierce.

Oh, yeah!

I think putting money back in the pockets of working 
families is the best way to get demand rising because that 
then means business is hiring. That means the government 
— that means that the economy is growing. - Barack Obama

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoffa, the Godfather of the 'Workers', (nyuk, nyuk).

[WilliamG]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WilliamG wgm4u@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ 
  wrote:
  
   
   
   Bhairitu:
It's about time the middle class warred on them!
   
   So much for working together.
   
   Host Gretchen Carlson asked several times for a 
   response to what Hoffa said, however Wasserman 
   Schultz kept saying that the American people want 
   us to focus on working together.
   
   http://tinyurl.com/3w6n8du
  
  When she squints her eyes you know, then, that she is trying
  to use her brain, it's most amusing.
 
 Indeed it is. Carlson is perhaps Fox's stupidest anchor,
 but the competition is really fierce.

Nice try Judy, was talking about Wasserman, what a character, she reminds me of 
Nurse Ratchet. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoffa, the Godfather of the 'Workers', (nyuk, nyuk).

[richardwillytexwilliams]

  Indeed it is. Carlson is perhaps Fox's stupidest 
  anchor, but the competition is really fierce...
 
WilliamG:
 Nice try Judy, was talking about Wasserman, what a 
 character, she reminds me of Nurse Ratchet.

Obama sat through 'God DAMN America' for twenty years 
without protest, so I guess he can put up with a few 
Tea Party `SOBs'.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Any value in leftist economics?

[Bhairitu]

On 09/06/2011 01:44 PM, Yifu wrote:
 No. Keynesian programs are the kiss of death. Utopian Socialism is unproven 
 and could only work with enlightened planners at the top.  (hasn't happened 
 yet in history). Could work for small-scale groups such as the Friends 
 (Quakers). Mormons would have an advantage should there be a complete 
 meltdown of society.  Groups of Evangelicals would likewise band together to 
 ward off evil Road Warriors.

 http://i2.listal.com/image/226218/600full-kiss-of-death-poster.jpg

  From Weiss Research's Safe Money Report, Sept 2011:

 Get Ready for Dow 7,000!

 ** Economy closing in on recession...again!
 ** Fed, Congress, Obama out of magic bullets!
 ** Europe in crisis, banks falling apart!
 ** Real estate double-dipping!

 Editor Mike Larson's conclusion: The US economy is sinking into a double-dip 
 recession; but he blames the mess on Keynesian economic programs of Obama: 
 If you listened to the so-called experts just a few months ago, you'd have 
 expected the US to be in the midst of a vigorous recovery by now.  But those 
 experts were dead wrong.

 They didn't realize that the recovery was entirely bought and paid for by 
 government stimulus and bailouts - artificial props that could not be 
 sustained.

 Key financial Indicators flashing Red - just like in 2008-2009

The economic destruction of the United State began with Reaganomics back 
in the 1980s.To blame it on a US President who has been in office 2 
1/2 years is totally absurd.  The Bush administration with their unpaid 
for tax cuts for the rich and their expensive wars did left the economy 
in shambles by the time Obama took office.   And Republicans are running 
clown candidates because they don't want their mess dropped back in 
their laps in 2012.  Capitalism run amok is the monster.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Some Union Bosses Salaries + (the mugshots).

[jpgillam]

Am I supposed to be indignant over senior executives earning a few hundred 
thousand dollars a year? Is that the point of this post?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WilliamG wgm4u@... wrote:

  [56] Meet the Union Bosses
 \
 ..
 
 
 
 Paul McNally In 2009, McNally raked in a whopping $477,224, a 107%
 increase over his 2007 pay of $228,067.  Joining McNally in 2009 were
 Martin Walsh http://unionsalaries.com/otherluckywinners.html ,
 $306,599; Louis Mandarini
 http://unionsalaries.com/otherluckywinners.html , $290,032 and Michael
 Tranghese, $271,419.  View the official report of salaries of Laborers'
 union bosses
 http://unionsalaries.com/files/laborerscouncillm-22009.pdf
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Charles Chuck Raso, President The  Bricklayers' Union boss raked in
 $202,551 in 2009, up from $186,981 in  2007.  Of the 12 employees Raso
 oversees, six made more than $100,000 in  2009, including the union's
 office manager, who took home almost  $97,000 in 2009.  Other Raso
 underlings that did well for themselves:  James Pimental, who took in
 $118,496 of members' money and Robert Rizzi,  who brought home $115,256.
 View the official report of salaries of Bricklayers'' union bosses
 http://unionsalaries.com/files/local3bricklayerslm-22009.pdf
 
 
 
 
 
 Jay Hurley Ironworkers Local 7 boss Jay Hurley took home $206,985 of his
 members' dues in 2009
 http://unionsalaries.com/files/ironworkersnationalhqlm-22009.pdf .  
 His compatriots at Local 7 didn't fare too badly either, with the 
 union's business manager, Michael Durant taking home $157,273 that year 
 and Local 7's bookkeeper raking in $98,487.  View the official report of
 salaries of Ironworkers' union bosses 
 http://unionsalaries.com/files/ironworkerslocal7%20lm-22009.pdf  
 http://unionsalaries.com/files/ironworkerslocal7%20lm-22009.pdf
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Michael Monahan IBEW  Local 103 Michael Monahan took home $160,441, a 16
 % increase from  2007.  Another Monhan on the union payroll, Charles,
 took home $158,299,  or 14% more than he took in 2007.  Business manager
 Louis Antonellis,  who famously was arrested for letting rats loose in a
 busy restaurant  because the owner refused to use only union labor on a
 renovation  project, raked in $144,914, a 16% increase over 2007. 
 Another  Antonellis, Richard, received a 17% increase, taking in
 $145,964 in  2009.  View the official report of salaries of IBEW 103
 union bosses  http://unionsalaries.com/files/ibew103lm-22009.pdf  
 http://unionsalaries.com/files/ibew103lm-22009.pdf
 
 
 
 
 
 Mark Erlich Mark  Erlich is boss of the New England Regional Council of
 Carpenters, who  in 2008 reported taking home $210,980.  Erlich has
 plenty of company on  the union payroll, with 107 employees raking in
 more than $10 million in  2009. Also of worthy mention is Dan Rego, who
 brought home $110,564 of  members' dues in 2009.  View the official
 report of salaries of Carpenters' union bosses 
 http://unionsalaries.com/files/carpenterslm-22009.pdf  
 http://unionsalaries.com/files/carpenterslm-22009.pdf
 
 
 
 
 
 Kevin Cotter As  head of the Plumbers' union, Cotter took home $133,981
 of his members'  dues money.  Despite having one of the smallest number
 of members of the  unions analyzed, Local 12 managed to create positions
 for five people  earning in excess of $100,000 in 2009.  View the
 official report of salaries of Plumbers' union bosses 
 http://unionsalaries.com/files/plumberslocal12%20lm-22008.pdf  
 http://unionsalaries.com/files/plumberslocal12%20lm-22008.pdf
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Lou Rasetta  Rasetta  took home $194,795 of his members' money in 2009. 
 11 Local 4 union  officials took home more than $1.5 million in 2009. 
 That figure does  not include the union's office manager, who raked in
 $91,262 of members  dues that year.  View the official report of
 salaries of Operators' Local 4 union bosses 
 http://unionsalaries.com/files/operatorslocal4%20lm-22009.pdf  
 http://unionsalaries.com/files/operatorslocal4%20lm-22009.pdf
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Francis Frank Callahan, President Callahan's  2009 salary was
 reportedly $144,614, a 30 percent increase from his  2007 base pay,
 which is funded with members' dues.  The Massachusetts  Building Trades
 Council is the umbrella group for all the construction  trade unions in
 Massachusetts and wields exceptional political strength  because of
 their fundraising prowess and ability to have union members  volunteer
 to work on political campaigns.   View the official report of salaries
 of Massachusetts Building Trades Council 
 http://unionsalaries.com/files/mabuildingtradescouncillm-22009.pdf  
 http://unionsalaries.com/files/mabuildingtradescouncillm-22009.pdf
 
 
 
 
 Mary Vogel Vogel took home $107,288 in 2008 as the part time Executive
 Director of the Construction Institute, a self-proclaimed union think
 tank. To view Vogel's part-time 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Any value in leftist economics?

[Yifu]

You're right, as to predecessors; going back to Herbert Hoover, but the worst 
culprits were the greatest contributors to Keynesian programs, such as FDR. 
...
The do-nothing laissez-faire Presidents have turned out to be the best:  
Calvin Coolidge (a champion of wealth-creation and jobs); as well as 
Eisenhower.  Unfortunately, certain easy money housing laws were passed during 
the Clinton Administration, so he was a contributor to the mess.  Nixon got us 
off the gold standard...big mistake!  There are many contributors to the 
current problem; but now is different: it's a do or die situation, a tipping 
point; and procrastination is not an option.

http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=fine_artFileName=ThroughTheCrack-Small






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 09/06/2011 01:44 PM, Yifu wrote:
  No. Keynesian programs are the kiss of death. Utopian Socialism is unproven 
  and could only work with enlightened planners at the top.  (hasn't 
  happened yet in history). Could work for small-scale groups such as the 
  Friends (Quakers). Mormons would have an advantage should there be a 
  complete meltdown of society.  Groups of Evangelicals would likewise band 
  together to ward off evil Road Warriors.
 
  http://i2.listal.com/image/226218/600full-kiss-of-death-poster.jpg
 
   From Weiss Research's Safe Money Report, Sept 2011:
 
  Get Ready for Dow 7,000!
 
  ** Economy closing in on recession...again!
  ** Fed, Congress, Obama out of magic bullets!
  ** Europe in crisis, banks falling apart!
  ** Real estate double-dipping!
 
  Editor Mike Larson's conclusion: The US economy is sinking into a 
  double-dip recession; but he blames the mess on Keynesian economic 
  programs of Obama: If you listened to the so-called experts just a few 
  months ago, you'd have expected the US to be in the midst of a vigorous 
  recovery by now.  But those experts were dead wrong.
 
  They didn't realize that the recovery was entirely bought and paid for by 
  government stimulus and bailouts - artificial props that could not be 
  sustained.
 
  Key financial Indicators flashing Red - just like in 2008-2009
 
 The economic destruction of the United State began with Reaganomics back 
 in the 1980s.To blame it on a US President who has been in office 2 
 1/2 years is totally absurd.  The Bush administration with their unpaid 
 for tax cuts for the rich and their expensive wars did left the economy 
 in shambles by the time Obama took office.   And Republicans are running 
 clown candidates because they don't want their mess dropped back in 
 their laps in 2012.  Capitalism run amok is the monster.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Some Union Bosses Salaries + (the mugshots).

[anitaoaks4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@... wrote:

 Am I supposed to be indignant over senior executives earning a few hundred 
 thousand dollars a year? Is that the point of this post?

Actually, I thought they made more.I guess they're the rich Obama is 
talking about, yes?

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON - The leaders of America's labor unions are a well-paid bunch: Four 
earned more than $400,000 last year, and another four had salaries above 
$300,000.

The two highest salaries, both well over $400,000, went to executives whose 
unions cater to workers in Hollywood's entertainment industry.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oro ergo sum

[P Duff]

To put it into plain English, think, Huis Clos.  :)

P Duff

obbajeeba wrote:
 I love this love affair of Judy and Turq or Turq and Judy sitting in a 
 tree... k- i- s- s- i- n- g !LOL. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
 I'm just bringing this up to give those on this forum who
 might feel I'm addressing them directly -- even though I'm
 not
 Well, of course you are, and everybody knows who you're
 addressing. After all, this is only the umptieth time
 you've made this particular post.

  -- to bounce off the
 ideas I've presented. This is an example of the provocative
 writing I described above; I expect some to get passionate
 in the defense of arguing. Please, do so, if that floats
 your boat. But don't expect me to argue with you. I said
 pretty much all I have to say on the subject in my first
 posts.
 It's not provocative, it's just lame, as it has been the
 umpty times you've made the post previously. Just for one
 thing, your observations are highly selective, both by
 circumstance (you can't read other people's private emails,
 so you have no idea whether arguing is their only means of
 social interaction, and of course you don't know how the
 vast majority of them interact live) and by choice (you
 don't read the posts of some of the folks you're talking
 about, for example).

 A passionate defense of arguing is not called for, simply
 the observation (made many times before in response to this
 post and never addressed or taken into account) that some
 people enjoy the intellectual exercise of having their
 viewpoints challenged and attempting to defend them. You
 don't; you like to hand your opinions down (the same ones,
 over and over, most of them ad hominem) as if from on high,
 and then stand pat, as you declare you're doing with 
 this one.

 Yawn. Seems to me that's even more protective of the self,
 to constantly put down other people's selves while not
 being willing to risk exposing your own to challenge and
 engagement. But whatever gets you through the night...

 
 
 


-- 
Dirt kicked to the curb goes into the gutter.
Professionals kicked to the curb go into retail.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oro ergo sum

[Yifu]

thx, Huis Clos - No Exit. A website has Sartre's ethics stating that 
Being-In-Itself has no subjectivity.  But per Advaita, IT does (IS) 
subjectivity, ultimately; although not something it has.
...
Sartre's pov must be contrasted with contemporary alternative pov's; Ayn Rand 
for example; but ultimately I see no basis for his humanism using his own 
arguments.  One must look to something, some entity beyond his 
existentialism:  DHARMA.  People like Kerouac and A. Huxley seemed to have 
groked the concept of Dharma more than Sartre. The latter might have learned 
something had he ingested a dosage of LSD. He merely says that the self is out 
there in the world.
...(from a website):
Sartre's Ethics

Sartre puts emphasis on integrity and moral autonomy. Emotions are facts, 
though. They can be agents of actions. Sartre makes it clear that the nature of 
human relations is one of conflict in which neither party may triumph, except 
for special cases of political praxis. Conflict is even at the core of love 
courtships that entail a struggle for power.This holds true for the institution 
of marriage, which is perhaps why he did not marry Simone de Beauvoir.

 

Sartre was much influenced by the master/slave relationship of Hegel and the 
concept of Dasein in Heidegger. However, for Sartre, consciousness is not with 
others but for others, in which there is a one-sided power dyad. Sartre 
resolves this dilemma of the Other's gaze that enslaves me by objectification 
by killing the oppressor. Being-in-itself is the nothingness consciousness 
which has no subjectivity. The self is out there in the world. There is  no 
unconscious as in Freud, in which behavior is determined psychically. The 
subject can always say No, the Great Refusal, and reinvent himself. 
Consciousness-for-itself involves the self extending itself to encompass the 
world and its projects. It was what gives individuals their authenticity. The I 
of Freud is a fiction with no substantive reality, in Sartre's critique of him 
in Being and Nothingness. Treating others as pure object involves making your 
project in the world that of doing evil. He calls that bad faith because the 
oppressor can never know himself as he truly is when not dialoguing with a 
morally autonomous other.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, P Duff pduff@... wrote:

 To put it into plain English, think, Huis Clos.  :)
 
 P Duff
 
 obbajeeba wrote:
  I love this love affair of Judy and Turq or Turq and Judy sitting in a 
  tree... k- i- s- s- i- n- g !LOL. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  snip
  I'm just bringing this up to give those on this forum who
  might feel I'm addressing them directly -- even though I'm
  not
  Well, of course you are, and everybody knows who you're
  addressing. After all, this is only the umptieth time
  you've made this particular post.
 
   -- to bounce off the
  ideas I've presented. This is an example of the provocative
  writing I described above; I expect some to get passionate
  in the defense of arguing. Please, do so, if that floats
  your boat. But don't expect me to argue with you. I said
  pretty much all I have to say on the subject in my first
  posts.
  It's not provocative, it's just lame, as it has been the
  umpty times you've made the post previously. Just for one
  thing, your observations are highly selective, both by
  circumstance (you can't read other people's private emails,
  so you have no idea whether arguing is their only means of
  social interaction, and of course you don't know how the
  vast majority of them interact live) and by choice (you
  don't read the posts of some of the folks you're talking
  about, for example).
 
  A passionate defense of arguing is not called for, simply
  the observation (made many times before in response to this
  post and never addressed or taken into account) that some
  people enjoy the intellectual exercise of having their
  viewpoints challenged and attempting to defend them. You
  don't; you like to hand your opinions down (the same ones,
  over and over, most of them ad hominem) as if from on high,
  and then stand pat, as you declare you're doing with 
  this one.
 
  Yawn. Seems to me that's even more protective of the self,
  to constantly put down other people's selves while not
  being willing to risk exposing your own to challenge and
  engagement. But whatever gets you through the night...
 
  
  
  
 
 
 -- 
 Dirt kicked to the curb goes into the gutter.
 Professionals kicked to the curb go into retail.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Democrats can do about Obama

[whynotnow7]

Saw a bumper sticker yesterday that said something like, become the change that 
you want in the world. Works for me.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:

 Happy birthday!
 
 I have come to the conclusion that engaging in Dems vs Republican's is a 
 waste of time.  Watching Obama struggle and cave, over and over, is a wake-up 
 call to all.  The real fight is people vs corporate structure.  
 
 Both political parties are enslaved to corporate power that we created.  We 
 need to redefine and support the Democratic party to one that fights the 
 correct fight.  Currently, the GOP more blatantly represents corporate 
 interests, but I think Obama's actions (which are not consistent with the 
 books he wrote or the platform he was voted in on) are also reflecting a 
 truth we should take seriously.  
 
 He isn't operating in isolation or in a vacuum. We should never underestimate 
 the power of the current agenda or assume that one Democratic 
 administration can turn the tide. 
 
 We need to reset government, our ideas of public vs private, our concept of 
 quality of life, our own subjugation to the almighty dollar and our tacit 
 acceptance of its rules of engagement, etc.  We need a revolution..a 
 non-violent revolution.  It is far easier to let our egos self-righteously 
 and self-centeredly run the show, and distractedly amuse ourselves by wading 
 through the endless variations and weeds of opposing points, then pull up and 
 re-examine the bigger picture and our progress to that end in the context of 
 humanity on the planet.  
 
 I feel the same about all the religious movementsthey all are divined and 
 interpreted by humans.  If one pulls up far enough to actually look at the 
 original messages - they are all the same.  We've lost the original intent of 
 the messageas humans, over and over throughout time and multiple attempts 
 at civilization, we continue to exemplify how ego separates itself from 
 spirit.
 
 I loved the view of earth and the galaxy through the light years that Rick 
 posted and the similar viewpoints of astronauts and space travelers that 
 iterate the planet as one family.
 
 I am fully guilty and stuck in this race around the gerbil wheel as well.  I 
 ask myself what will it take to make a change...simple steps and a 
 willingness to let go is what I'm coming down to.  
 
 
 
 --- On Mon, 9/5/11, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
 
 From: raunchydog raunchydog@...
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Democrats can do about Obama
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 7:24 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Obama has ruined the Democratic Party. The 2010 wipeout was an 
 electoral catastrophe so bad you'd have to go back to 1894 to find comparable 
 losses. From 2008 to 2010, according to Gallup, the fastest growing 
 demographic party label was former Democrat. Obama took over the party in 
 2008 with 36 percent of Americans considering themselves Democrats. Within 
 just two years, that number had dropped to 31 percent, which tied a 22-year 
 low.
 
 
 
 If would be one thing if Obama were failing because he was too close to party 
 orthodoxy. Yet his failures have come precisely because Obama has not 
 listened to Democratic Party voters. He continued idiotic wars, bailed out 
 banks, ignored luminaries like Paul Krugman, and generally did whatever he 
 could to repudiate the New Deal. The Democratic Party should be the party of 
 pay raises and homes, but under Obama it has become the party of pay cuts and 
 foreclosures. Getting rid of Obama as the head of the party is the first step 
 in reverting to form.
 
 
 
 http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/09/04/favoritesonsanddaughters
 
 
 
 Take the Obama vs. Hillary Clinton poll for Democrats.
 
 
 
 In 2012, Democrats should nominate for president...
 
 
 
 Barack Obama
 
 Hillary Clinton
 
 
 
 View Results
 
 
 
 If Obama loses the poll above, will he lose his job?
 
 If Obama loses to Clinton in that poll (above), is he sure to ...
 
 
 
 lose the nomination
 
 lose reelection
 
 lose his temper
 
 all of the above
 
 
 
 View Results
 
 
 
 http://orangepunch.ocregister.com/2011/09/02/obama-fading-hillary-rising-primary-challenge-looming/48871/

[FairfieldLife] Air head(s)

[Yifu]

as in Frank-Dodd; ultra liberal doo-doo gooders exemplifying the worst of 
Congressional insanity by generating more and more useless regulations.  
...
In order to function properly, Capitalism must include:
1. enforcible contracts, and
2. transparency of contracts
...
not more regulations per se.
A contributing factor to the housing meltdown was the lack of transparency of 
contracts, (2).

If (1) and (2) are included within the definition of Capitalism, then there's 
less support for the Capitalism run-amock argument. (since the Institutions 
holding the sub-prime mortgages failed to abide by (2), the transparency rule 
and were thus not true Capitalists.

Dozens of more oversight committees per air-heads Frank and Dodd will only 
make the situation worse.

http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/previousshows/2004/dob/air.jpg

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[FairfieldLife] Virtual Reality Dreamscape

[Yifu]

http://neosurrealismart.com/modern-art-prints/?artworks/mindscape-or-virtual-reality-dreamscape.htmlfullsize

[FairfieldLife] Noah's Ark

[Yifu]

http://www.neosurrealismart.com/modern-art-prints/?artworks/noah-s-ark-or-delusion-of-grandeur.htmlfullsize

[FairfieldLife] Life in Prison

[John]

Nityananda appeared to have had a good time while in prison.  We don't know 
what his actual crime was but he says he developed many techniques for 
meditation during his confinement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa_Swyxc_MIfeature=related

Re: [FairfieldLife] Life in Prison

[Bhairitu]

On 09/06/2011 05:38 PM, John wrote:
 Nityananda appeared to have had a good time while in prison.  We don't know 
 what his actual crime was but he says he developed many techniques for 
 meditation during his confinement.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa_Swyxc_MIfeature=related

Google is your friend:
http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_nithyananda-shares-prison-cell-with-disciple_1377602

[FairfieldLife] The Sinner

[Yifu]

by Dast
http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/previousshows/2003/dast/untitled.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Cheese Head

[Yifu]

by Bob Dob

http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/previousshows/2004/dob/cheese.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Chowder Head

[Yifu]

by Bob Dob
http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/previousshows/2004/dob/chowder.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Black Eyed Mouseketeers

[Yifu]

by Bob Dob
http://www.bobdob.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/yhst-55480592074684_2091_19831.jpeg

[FairfieldLife] A Punk named Django

[Yifu]

by Bob Dob
http://www.bobdob.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/a_punk_named_django.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Coke Head

[Yifu]

by Bob Dob
http://www.bobdob.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/coke_head_.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Play Tea Party Zombies here

[Bhairitu]

No I didn't create this game but you can see a video of it here:
http://mrctv.org/videos/video-game-allows-players-slaughter-tea-party-zombies-sarah-palin-and-bill-oreilly

And play here:
http://teapartyzombiesmustdie.com/

Not for bliss-a-ninnies.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Any value in leftist economics?

[Bhairitu]

On 09/06/2011 02:19 PM, Yifu wrote:
 You're right, as to predecessors; going back to Herbert Hoover, but the worst 
 culprits were the greatest contributors to Keynesian programs, such as FDR.
 ...
 The do-nothing laissez-faire Presidents have turned out to be the best:  
 Calvin Coolidge (a champion of wealth-creation and jobs); as well as 
 Eisenhower.  Unfortunately, certain easy money housing laws were passed 
 during the Clinton Administration, so he was a contributor to the mess.  
 Nixon got us off the gold standard...big mistake!  There are many 
 contributors to the current problem; but now is different: it's a do or die 
 situation, a tipping point; and procrastination is not an option.

 http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=fine_artFileName=ThroughTheCrack-Small

Eisenhower had a 91% top tax rate on the rich.  Worked well and 
prevented assholes like these two attempting to destroy democracy:

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/charles-koch-compares-barack-obama-to-saddam-hussein/

My Koch brothers videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmOVURsFGUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dyzAERiDuM






 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@...  wrote:
 On 09/06/2011 01:44 PM, Yifu wrote:
 No. Keynesian programs are the kiss of death. Utopian Socialism is unproven 
 and could only work with enlightened planners at the top.  (hasn't 
 happened yet in history). Could work for small-scale groups such as the 
 Friends (Quakers). Mormons would have an advantage should there be a 
 complete meltdown of society.  Groups of Evangelicals would likewise band 
 together to ward off evil Road Warriors.

 http://i2.listal.com/image/226218/600full-kiss-of-death-poster.jpg

  From Weiss Research's Safe Money Report, Sept 2011:
 Get Ready for Dow 7,000!

 ** Economy closing in on recession...again!
 ** Fed, Congress, Obama out of magic bullets!
 ** Europe in crisis, banks falling apart!
 ** Real estate double-dipping!

 Editor Mike Larson's conclusion: The US economy is sinking into a 
 double-dip recession; but he blames the mess on Keynesian economic 
 programs of Obama: If you listened to the so-called experts just a few 
 months ago, you'd have expected the US to be in the midst of a vigorous 
 recovery by now.  But those experts were dead wrong.

 They didn't realize that the recovery was entirely bought and paid for by 
 government stimulus and bailouts - artificial props that could not be 
 sustained.

 Key financial Indicators flashing Red - just like in 2008-2009
 The economic destruction of the United State began with Reaganomics back
 in the 1980s.To blame it on a US President who has been in office 2
 1/2 years is totally absurd.  The Bush administration with their unpaid
 for tax cuts for the rich and their expensive wars did left the economy
 in shambles by the time Obama took office.   And Republicans are running
 clown candidates because they don't want their mess dropped back in
 their laps in 2012.  Capitalism run amok is the monster.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Democrats can do about Obama

[seventhray1]

Last night I came across something that disturbed me.  I was surfing the
web and came across a preview of an interview with Barbara Marciniak. 
She was making the point that as humans we tend to be a  trusting and
loving lot.  And that it may be difficult for most of us to imagine that
there are others who are engaged in schemes and plots to manipulate and
control us.

I know this is standard conspiracy fare.  The idea that these others
posess a deep understanding of human psychology and of the cycles of
nature, and use this knowledge for their own benefit without regard to
any greater good.

I think what disturbed was that, although I have traversed the road from
a idealist to a realist, I have still always considered myself an
optimist - believing in the notion that good will triumph in the end.  I
don't feel that anymore.  I haven't given up, but I think the other
has the upper hand.   Perhaps also listening to an interview on NPR
about the dollars spent on the war on terror',  and how this war on
terror has enriched so many who now enjoy a priviledged lifestyle.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@...
wrote:

 Happy birthday!

 I have come to the conclusion that engaging in Dems vs Republican's
is a waste of time. Watching Obama struggle and cave, over and over, is
a wake-up call to all. The real fight is people vs corporate
structure.

 Both political parties are enslaved to corporate power that we
created. We need to redefine and support the Democratic party to one
that fights the correct fight. Currently, the GOP more blatantly
represents corporate interests, but I think Obama's actions (which are
not consistent with the books he wrote or the platform he was voted in
on) are also reflecting a truth we should take seriously.

 He isn't operating in isolation or in a vacuum. We should never
underestimate the power of the current agenda or assume that one
Democratic administration can turn the tide.

 We need to reset government, our ideas of public vs private, our
concept of quality of life, our own subjugation to the almighty dollar
and our tacit acceptance of its rules of engagement, etc. We need a
revolution..a non-violent revolution. It is far easier to let our egos
self-righteously and self-centeredly run the show, and distractedly
amuse ourselves by wading through the endless variations and weeds of
opposing points, then pull up and re-examine the bigger picture and our
progress to that end in the context of humanity on the planet.

 I feel the same about all the religious movementsthey all are
divined and interpreted by humans. If one pulls up far enough to
actually look at the original messages - they are all the same. We've
lost the original intent of the messageas humans, over and over
throughout time and multiple attempts at civilization, we continue to
exemplify how ego separates itself from spirit.

 I loved the view of earth and the galaxy through the light years that
Rick posted and the similar viewpoints of astronauts and space
travelers that iterate the planet as one family.

 I am fully guilty and stuck in this race around the gerbil wheel as
well. I ask myself what will it take to make a change...simple steps and
a willingness to let go is what I'm coming down to.



 --- On Mon, 9/5/11, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:

 From: raunchydog raunchydog@...
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Democrats can do about Obama
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 7:24 PM
















 Â









 Obama has ruined the Democratic Party. The 2010 wipeout was an
electoral catastrophe so bad you'd have to go back to 1894 to find
comparable losses. From 2008 to 2010, according to Gallup, the fastest
growing demographic party label was former Democrat. Obama took over the
party in 2008 with 36 percent of Americans considering themselves
Democrats. Within just two years, that number had dropped to 31 percent,
which tied a 22-year low.



 If would be one thing if Obama were failing because he was too close
to party orthodoxy. Yet his failures have come precisely because Obama
has not listened to Democratic Party voters. He continued idiotic wars,
bailed out banks, ignored luminaries like Paul Krugman, and generally
did whatever he could to repudiate the New Deal. The Democratic Party
should be the party of pay raises and homes, but under Obama it has
become the party of pay cuts and foreclosures. Getting rid of Obama as
the head of the party is the first step in reverting to form.




http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/index.html?story=/politics/w\
ar_room/2011/09/04/favoritesonsanddaughters



 Take the Obama vs. Hillary Clinton poll for Democrats.



 In 2012, Democrats should nominate for president...



 Barack Obama

 Hillary Clinton



 View Results



 If Obama loses the poll above, will he lose his job?

 If Obama loses to Clinton in that poll (above), is he sure to ...



 lose the nomination

 lose reelection

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Democrats can do about Obama

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:

 Happy birthday!
 

Thanks, Denise.

 I have come to the conclusion that engaging in Dems vs Republican's is a 
 waste of time.  Watching Obama struggle and cave, over and over, is a wake-up 
 call to all.  The real fight is people vs corporate structure.  
 

The real fight is people vs Libertarian propaganda fueled by the Koch brother's 
CATO Institute, conservatism media and ALEC American Legislative Exchange 
Council. These people are fascists. 

Beyond Influence: Buying US Law
http://tinyurl.com/4ypdw5r 

Why libertarians apologize for autocracy
http://tinyurl.com/3vuuq83

More people have to wake up to the fact that they have been lied to: Taxes 
cuts create jobs. They don't. Government regulation of the EPA and financial 
markets hurts the economy. It doesn't. Public sector and unions jobs 
shouldn't exist. Sure, make everyone fight for scraps. Privatize schools, 
roads, prisons, water, let the free market own the commons. Right, so they can 
run everything into the ground and hand taxpayers the bill for their 
malfeasance. 

You can't expect people to fight against greedy corporate SOB's if they believe 
Libertarian propaganda that says, Here's a gun, folks. Now, shoot yourself in 
the face. 

Frankly, I don't know what the answer is. I liked the idea of getting Tom 
Harkin to run as a favorite son in an Iowa caucus. Not gonna happen. I love 
Tom, great guy, but he's up to his eyeballs in corporate money like everyone 
else.

I'm a life-long Democrat. I serve on the Iowa State Central Committee and I can 
tell you there's plenty of grumbling about Obama at meetings, but party 
leaders, the folks responsible for fundraising big bucks, don't want to hear 
it. If Iowa can't muster a caucus to challenge Obama, no one can.

 Both political parties are enslaved to corporate power that we created.  We 
 need to redefine and support the Democratic party to one that fights the 
 correct fight.  Currently, the GOP more blatantly represents corporate 
 interests, but I think Obama's actions (which are not consistent with the 
 books he wrote or the platform he was voted in on) are also reflecting a 
 truth we should take seriously.  
 
 He isn't operating in isolation or in a vacuum. We should never underestimate 
 the power of the current agenda or assume that one Democratic 
 administration can turn the tide. 
 
 We need to reset government, our ideas of public vs private, our concept of 
 quality of life, our own subjugation to the almighty dollar and our tacit 
 acceptance of its rules of engagement, etc.  We need a revolution..a 
 non-violent revolution.  It is far easier to let our egos self-righteously 
 and self-centeredly run the show, and distractedly amuse ourselves by wading 
 through the endless variations and weeds of opposing points, then pull up and 
 re-examine the bigger picture and our progress to that end in the context of 
 humanity on the planet.  
 
 I feel the same about all the religious movementsthey all are divined and 
 interpreted by humans.  If one pulls up far enough to actually look at the 
 original messages - they are all the same.  We've lost the original intent of 
 the messageas humans, over and over throughout time and multiple attempts 
 at civilization, we continue to exemplify how ego separates itself from 
 spirit.
 
 I loved the view of earth and the galaxy through the light years that Rick 
 posted and the similar viewpoints of astronauts and space travelers that 
 iterate the planet as one family.
 
 I am fully guilty and stuck in this race around the gerbil wheel as well.  I 
 ask myself what will it take to make a change...simple steps and a 
 willingness to let go is what I'm coming down to.  
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Democrats can do about Obama

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:

 It appears that Obama is hanging all of his political marbles on the passage 
 of a job stimulus package in Congress.  If it passes, he could get reelected 
 again next year.
 

Hanging marbles is an odd choice for an idiom. Methinks Obama put all his eggs 
in one basket and now hangs by a thread. Egad!  He's losing his marbles. 
Anyway, fat chance. Surely you have noticed the Tea Party House refuses to pass 
anything that will help Obama win an election. They know Obama will cave to 
their demands, which he does quite regularly, either out of weakness or 
willfulness, I'm not sure which. 

Now that we have a mandated Super Congress pitting the social safety net, 
Social Security and Medicare,(which I refuse to call the disparaging term 
entitlements) against defense spending, guess who's going to be on the losing 
end of the deal?  Grandma gets dumped on the street in her wheelchair on a cold 
winter night and both parties, including Obama, will hold themselves blameless.

Both parties are competing for the same 2012 corporate money.  Since the 
bankers hate Obama for even hinting at regulations, it appears the corporate 
money now flows to Rick Perry, God help us. To figure that out, all you have to 
do is watch the propaganda machine, the mighty Wurlitzer we call news who 
gives Perry all the love and criticizes Obama if he farts crossways.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2011/0820/Bank-of-America-ready-to-help-Rick-Perry-VIDEO

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: From Maharishi to Yoga Nation | On Point with Tom Ashbrook

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of maskedzebra
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 1:12 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: From Maharishi to Yoga Nation | On Point with
Tom Ashbrook

 

Comments interspersed. Read to the bottom.

Dear Rick,

Great letter. A winning argument. But let me dig in here in order to
preserve my own almost desperate need to make sense of things-to fit
everything into secure conceptual boxes. For what you say to be true:
Reexamine the effort itself and consider whether it might be wiser to
acclimate to uncertainty. . . relax into the mystery, it is necessary that,
within the metaphysical model of what reality actually is, such an effort
(as I make: and you score a palpable hit here) is not only inappropriate, it
is futile. According to you, the facts, such as they are (e.g. 10,000
galaxies in a bit of sky the size of a grain of sand held at arm's length),
render this personal fixation on final meaning and clarification absurd,
incongruous, quixotic (you consider the time and distance scales involved,
you realize that our earthly dramas, however grand or tragic they may seem,
are insignificant).

I profoundly disagree, Rick. The micro meaning of the personal existence of
Rick Archer seems to me just as stupendous as the perspective afforded (and
demanded) by these astronomical truths. 

That's true too. Infinity in a grain of sand; eternity in an hour. The
microcosm contains the macrocosm. Ano raniyan, mahato mahiyan - Bigger
than the biggest, smaller than the smallest.

What is more miraculous, the size of the universe, or the first person
unique consciousness of the person who wrote this letter to me? 

Both. And also the eye of a housefly. Miraculousness is ubiquitous. 

Consider this: Rick Archer never existed versus Rick Archer somehow comes
into existence (with free will): does not that one fact (your existence as
opposed to your non-existence) make a difference TO YOU that transcends
these other objective and impersonal truths (the complexity and vastness of
creation independent of the first person ontology that is Rick Archer)?

But both of those things are true. Rick Archer never existed and Rick Archer
appears to have come into existence (with free will). And both my existence
and non-existence fascinate me. It's cool to sense their juxtaposition. 

I believe the authorial intention behind the scientific truths (third person
perspective) you enumerate here in this eloquent and persuasive letter
includes in its scope the significance of THERE BEING AN INDIVIDUAL POINT OF
VIEW THAT CAN EVEN TAKE IN THE VERY FACTS YOU ADDUCE. What if there had
never existed a form of consciousness capable of writing such a letter as
you have written? Consider that universe:-no Rick Archer, no personal
consciousness objectively endowed with the ability to form and articulate
the very perspective contained in your letter. According to your argument
there really ultimately is no difference between a universe just by itself,
without a first person personal consciousness (the human capacity to have
subjective experience of what it is like to be Rick Archer)-and a universe
which, as well as these astonishing and overpowering facts, contains the
individual human being Rick Archer. Your argument makes your own personal
existence superfluous. Well, then, the very underlying truth of your
philosophy (But uncertainty is our friend. Therein lies genuine security.
And: that's the way life becomes, the more we relax the effort to force it
through the peephole of our human understanding) is utterly beside the
point. Because, you see, Rick, for what you say here to be true the way you
insist it must be true, means that the creative process which brought about
the awesome size of the universe (and the insignificance of the earth as
measured against the entire cosmos) is a greater thing intrinsically than
the phenomenon of Rick Archer writing this letter about this very truth.

No. As Maharishi was always fond of saying, the individual is cosmic. If I
understood him correctly, he wasn't saying that the vastness of the universe
renders the individual meaningless or insignificant. But if the cosmic value
or dimension is not discovered within the context of apparent individuality,
then life is out of balance. The ocean is lost in the wave. The wave tries
to interpret everything through its limited perspective. It says, I am
different from all these other waves. 

Taken together, I do not think the meaning of the universe as unpacked from
its astrophysical reality in any way begins to diminish the meaning of the
fact that there exists a personal consciousness capable of reflecting upon
this astrophysical reality. In other words, from the point of view of the
creator of the universe, its size does not diminish or make irrelevant the
individual truth that included in that act of creation the personal
existence of Rick Archer and the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: From Maharishi to Yoga Nation | On Point with Tom Ashbrook

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:

 In a nutshell; what MMY offered as a sole technique is great, but as a 
 popularity contest doesn't rise to the level of what makes a successful 
 Movement or Religion (and thus crashes in upon itself).
 
 Without going into specifics at this time, set up a checklist of the most 
 important components of successful Movements; and then compare to a Movement 
 with all of the earmarks of success: namely, the Church of the Luminous 
 Jellyfish. Make the comparison, do the figures, make the math, connect the 
 dogs,  then go figure!...nope; no surprise here.
 
 http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/previousshows/2008/almera/almera9.jpg
 

Jesus crossed his fingers? Very funny.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Democrats can do about Obama

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote:
 
  Happy birthday!

Belated happy birthday, Raunchy.

snip
 The real fight is people vs Libertarian propaganda fueled
 by the Koch brother's CATO Institute, conservatism media
 and ALEC American Legislative Exchange Council. These
 people are fascists.

Jeez, why have I never heard of ALEC before?

 Beyond Influence: Buying US Law
 http://tinyurl.com/4ypdw5r

Just ghastly. Everybody needs to read this.

 Why libertarians apologize for autocracy
 http://tinyurl.com/3vuuq83

This too. Thanks for these links.

[FairfieldLife] Re: From Maharishi to Yoga Nation | On Point with Tom Ashbrook

[raunchydog]

Rick, I've enjoyed your discussion with Robin. Excellent points, thoughtfully 
and beautifully expressed. Maharishi taught you well. Jai Guru Dev.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of maskedzebra
 Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 1:12 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: From Maharishi to Yoga Nation | On Point with
 Tom Ashbrook
 
  
 
 Comments interspersed. Read to the bottom.
 
 Dear Rick,
 
 Great letter. A winning argument. But let me dig in here in order to
 preserve my own almost desperate need to make sense of things-to fit
 everything into secure conceptual boxes. For what you say to be true:
 Reexamine the effort itself and consider whether it might be wiser to
 acclimate to uncertainty. . . relax into the mystery, it is necessary that,
 within the metaphysical model of what reality actually is, such an effort
 (as I make: and you score a palpable hit here) is not only inappropriate, it
 is futile. According to you, the facts, such as they are (e.g. 10,000
 galaxies in a bit of sky the size of a grain of sand held at arm's length),
 render this personal fixation on final meaning and clarification absurd,
 incongruous, quixotic (you consider the time and distance scales involved,
 you realize that our earthly dramas, however grand or tragic they may seem,
 are insignificant).
 
 I profoundly disagree, Rick. The micro meaning of the personal existence of
 Rick Archer seems to me just as stupendous as the perspective afforded (and
 demanded) by these astronomical truths. 
 
 That's true too. Infinity in a grain of sand; eternity in an hour. The
 microcosm contains the macrocosm. Ano raniyan, mahato mahiyan - Bigger
 than the biggest, smaller than the smallest.
 
 What is more miraculous, the size of the universe, or the first person
 unique consciousness of the person who wrote this letter to me? 
 
 Both. And also the eye of a housefly. Miraculousness is ubiquitous. 
 
 Consider this: Rick Archer never existed versus Rick Archer somehow comes
 into existence (with free will): does not that one fact (your existence as
 opposed to your non-existence) make a difference TO YOU that transcends
 these other objective and impersonal truths (the complexity and vastness of
 creation independent of the first person ontology that is Rick Archer)?
 
 But both of those things are true. Rick Archer never existed and Rick Archer
 appears to have come into existence (with free will). And both my existence
 and non-existence fascinate me. It's cool to sense their juxtaposition. 
 
 I believe the authorial intention behind the scientific truths (third person
 perspective) you enumerate here in this eloquent and persuasive letter
 includes in its scope the significance of THERE BEING AN INDIVIDUAL POINT OF
 VIEW THAT CAN EVEN TAKE IN THE VERY FACTS YOU ADDUCE. What if there had
 never existed a form of consciousness capable of writing such a letter as
 you have written? Consider that universe:-no Rick Archer, no personal
 consciousness objectively endowed with the ability to form and articulate
 the very perspective contained in your letter. According to your argument
 there really ultimately is no difference between a universe just by itself,
 without a first person personal consciousness (the human capacity to have
 subjective experience of what it is like to be Rick Archer)-and a universe
 which, as well as these astonishing and overpowering facts, contains the
 individual human being Rick Archer. Your argument makes your own personal
 existence superfluous. Well, then, the very underlying truth of your
 philosophy (But uncertainty is our friend. Therein lies genuine security.
 And: that's the way life becomes, the more we relax the effort to force it
 through the peephole of our human understanding) is utterly beside the
 point. Because, you see, Rick, for what you say here to be true the way you
 insist it must be true, means that the creative process which brought about
 the awesome size of the universe (and the insignificance of the earth as
 measured against the entire cosmos) is a greater thing intrinsically than
 the phenomenon of Rick Archer writing this letter about this very truth.
 
 No. As Maharishi was always fond of saying, the individual is cosmic. If I
 understood him correctly, he wasn't saying that the vastness of the universe
 renders the individual meaningless or insignificant. But if the cosmic value
 or dimension is not discovered within the context of apparent individuality,
 then life is out of balance. The ocean is lost in the wave. The wave tries
 to interpret everything through its limited perspective. It says, I am
 different from all these other waves. 
 
 Taken together, I do not think the meaning of the universe as unpacked from
 its astrophysical reality in any way begins to diminish the meaning of the
 fact that there exists a 

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Democrats can do about Obama

[John]

 Hanging marbles is an odd choice for an idiom. Methinks Obama put all his 
 eggs in one basket and now hangs by a thread. Egad!  He's losing his marbles. 
 Anyway, fat chance. Surely you have noticed the Tea Party House refuses to 
 pass anything that will help Obama win an election. They know Obama will cave 
 to their demands, which he does quite regularly, either out of weakness or 
 willfulness, I'm not sure which. 

When I was a child, I used to play with marbles with friends.  So, I found the 
analogy to be appropriate with American politics, or any other kind of politics 
for that matter.

But NO!  Obama is not that weak as you may think.  I think he purposely gave in 
to some of the issues to the Republicans in exchange for passing the job 
stimulus package.  Actually, it would be political suicide for any of the Tea 
Party Republicans in the House to vote against it.

 
 Now that we have a mandated Super Congress pitting the social safety net, 
 Social Security and Medicare,(which I refuse to call the disparaging term 
 entitlements) against defense spending, guess who's going to be on the 
 losing end of the deal?  Grandma gets dumped on the street in her wheelchair 
 on a cold winter night and both parties, including Obama, will hold 
 themselves blameless.
 
 Both parties are competing for the same 2012 corporate money.  Since the 
 bankers hate Obama for even hinting at regulations, it appears the corporate 
 money now flows to Rick Perry, God help us. To figure that out, all you have 
 to do is watch the propaganda machine, the mighty Wurlitzer we call news 
 who gives Perry all the love and criticizes Obama if he farts crossways.
 http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2011/0820/Bank-of-America-ready-to-help-Rick-Perry-VIDEO

Rick Perry would be a loser for the national election.  IMO, he's too far to 
the right.  He may strike a chord in Texas.  But he will have few fans over 
here in California.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Democrats can do about Obama

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote:
  
   Happy birthday!
 
 Belated happy birthday, Raunchy.
 

Thanks, Judy. 

 snip
  The real fight is people vs Libertarian propaganda fueled
  by the Koch brother's CATO Institute, conservatism media
  and ALEC American Legislative Exchange Council. These
  people are fascists.
 
 Jeez, why have I never heard of ALEC before?
 

Most people haven't heard of ALEC and that suits them just fine. The Great Oz 
is only powerful behind the curtain. Google ALEC and you'll get Alex Baldwin. 
You have to search their name to get anything to come up. Google is in cahoots. 
Cahoots, I tell you. Cahoots!

  Beyond Influence: Buying US Law
  http://tinyurl.com/4ypdw5r
 
 Just ghastly. Everybody needs to read this.
 
  Why libertarians apologize for autocracy
  http://tinyurl.com/3vuuq83
 
 This too. Thanks for these links.

[FairfieldLife] 'Obama will win in 2012'

[Robert]

http://www.thegrio.com/politics/12-reasons-obama-wins-in-2012.php

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Democrats can do about Obama

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:

  Hanging marbles is an odd choice for an idiom. Methinks Obama put all his 
  eggs in one basket and now hangs by a thread. Egad!  He's losing his 
  marbles. Anyway, fat chance. Surely you have noticed the Tea Party House 
  refuses to pass anything that will help Obama win an election. They know 
  Obama will cave to their demands, which he does quite regularly, either out 
  of weakness or willfulness, I'm not sure which. 
 
 When I was a child, I used to play with marbles with friends.  So, I found 
 the analogy to be appropriate with American politics, or any other kind of 
 politics for that matter.
 
 But NO!  Obama is not that weak as you may think.  I think he purposely gave 
 in to some of the issues to the Republicans in exchange for passing the job 
 stimulus package.  Actually, it would be political suicide for any of the Tea 
 Party Republicans in the House to vote against it.
 

I lean toward craven but I strongly suspect willful in that he only feigns 
caving to Republicans. Obama needs beaucoup bucks for 2012, which is why he 
gave the banksters a tidy little gift-wrapped package called the Super 
Committee, destined to deliver the final cut to the social safety net. Jobs? 
Piffle twaddle. Obama will pay lip service to jobs just enough to get himself 
elected.

  
  Now that we have a mandated Super Congress pitting the social safety net, 
  Social Security and Medicare,(which I refuse to call the disparaging term 
  entitlements) against defense spending, guess who's going to be on the 
  losing end of the deal?  Grandma gets dumped on the street in her 
  wheelchair on a cold winter night and both parties, including Obama, will 
  hold themselves blameless.
  
  Both parties are competing for the same 2012 corporate money.  Since the 
  bankers hate Obama for even hinting at regulations, it appears the 
  corporate money now flows to Rick Perry, God help us. To figure that out, 
  all you have to do is watch the propaganda machine, the mighty Wurlitzer we 
  call news who gives Perry all the love and criticizes Obama if he farts 
  crossways.
  http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2011/0820/Bank-of-America-ready-to-help-Rick-Perry-VIDEO
 
 Rick Perry would be a loser for the national election.  IMO, he's too far to 
 the right.  He may strike a chord in Texas.  But he will have few fans over 
 here in California.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Democrats can do about Obama

[raunchydog]

Judy, I forgot that I posted about ALEC #286832. What do breaded chicken 
patties, office chairs and cruise missiles used in Libya have in common? 
http://www.thenation.com/video/162587/how-alec-turned-prisoners-corporate-americas-cheap-labor-force
 

The Nation's link is dead but I found the author, Mike Elk in an interview with 
Amy Goodman on Democracy Now. 

New Exposé Tracks ALEC-Private Prison Industry Effort to Replace Unionized 
Workers with Prison Labor 
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/5/new_expos_tracks_alec_private_prison

See also, 

Secretive Corporate-Legislative Group ALEC Holds Annual Meeting to Rewrite 
State Laws
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/5/secretive_corporate_legislative_group_alec_holds


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote:
  
   Happy birthday!
 
 Belated happy birthday, Raunchy.
 
 snip
  The real fight is people vs Libertarian propaganda fueled
  by the Koch brother's CATO Institute, conservatism media
  and ALEC American Legislative Exchange Council. These
  people are fascists.
 
 Jeez, why have I never heard of ALEC before?
 
  Beyond Influence: Buying US Law
  http://tinyurl.com/4ypdw5r
 
 Just ghastly. Everybody needs to read this.
 
  Why libertarians apologize for autocracy
  http://tinyurl.com/3vuuq83
 
 This too. Thanks for these links.