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[FairfieldLife] Re: Apollo 18

[ultrarishi]

Thanks for the review of the film.  Not exactly Capricorn One, but close.

About the Blu Ray player.  Can you watch, for example, Daily Show episodes 
using the browser feature?

Happy Holidays!

[FairfieldLife] Yogic Flying is the proof.’

[shukra69]

`Habit bound we are saying that in every generation this knowledge of Art and 
Music has to be in the student's life, and when he is still student age, he 
should know how to live the way a leaf lives. How does a leaf live? The leaf 
blossoms into a colorful flower. The colorful flower blossoms into many tastes 
of fruits. So one blossoms into many, increasing the magnitude of bliss, 
increasing the magnitude of bliss. Self-referral is the key. Transcendental 
Meditation is the key. Advanced techniques of Transcendental Meditation are the 
keys. Yogic Flying is the proof.'
—Maharishi
9 March 2006, MERU, Holland 

[FairfieldLife] Re: So called yogic siddhis/sanyamas and aaloka of prajñaa? Part 3

[shukra69]

thank you for another enlightening post

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > So, the depth(?) of samaadhi/samaapatti associated with
> > saMyama/siddhi-s> seems to be able to be anything from
> > nirvitarka/nirvitarkaa "down to" at> least saasmitaa (sa + asmitaa:with
> > asmitaa):> smRtiparisuddhau svaruupashuunyevaarthamaatranirbhaasaa
> > nirvitarkaa. (I> 43)> etayaiva savicaaraa [samaapatti/samaadhi -- card]
> > nirvicaaraa ca> shuukSmavishayaavyaakhyaataa. (I 44)>
> > III 5 goes like this:
> > tajjayaat prajñaalokaH; (tat-jayaat prajñaalokaH).
> > "Sucker" Taimni translates it like this:
> > By mastering it (saMyama) the light of the higher consciousness.
> > Just for fun, let's "study" the compound word prajñaalokaH.  How many
> > interpretationsare possible? Let's suppose, that the first part is
> > either prajña or prajñaa.
> > Tasmin sati, we get the following possible combinations:
> > prajña + alokaH
> prajña + aalokaH
> prajñaa + lokaH
> prajñaa +> alokaH
> prajñaa + aalokaH.
> >
> 
> Vyaasa's comment on that suutra (III 5) begins like this
> (transliterating from devanaagarii):
> 
> tasya saMyamasya jayaat samaadhi-prajñaayaa bhavatyaalokaH (bhavati+
> aalokaH)...
> 
> Judging by that, the correct components of 'prajnaalokaH' above
> seem to be
> 
> prajñaa + aalokaH.
> 
> So, in that case "sucker" Taimni's translation for 'prajñaalokaH'
> (the light of the higher consciousness) might be acceptable.
> 
> We seem to recall Maharishi once said something like:
> 
> The acid test of full enlightenment is the ability to perform
> siddhi-s at will.
> 
> Or something to that effect.
> 
> In YS III 5, Patañjali seems to corroborate that: from the
> mastery of saMyama [follows] the light of consciousness; or stuff.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:

> Muir's mansion is a couple blocks from here. Never been to it as I was
> saving it for when friends visit but we never seem to get to it. Muir
> was instrumental in getting the capitalist exploiters booted out of
> Yosemite. They wanted to turn it into an amusement park.
>

He lost the battle to preserve Hetch Hetchy which he considered to be a
miniature Yosemite, but which was considered to  be an essential water
supply for SF.  Luckily he found Teddy Roosevelt to be an ally in his
other efforts.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's Youtube

[Ravi Chivukula]

Dear Judy - thanks for the warm welcome.

I have been meaning to record my singing in the car for a long time because the 
states of intense pain and ecstasy I hit cannot be replicated elsewhere. Of 
course just because of the fact that I record in itself rules out hitting those 
states, but it's better than no glimpse into my states at all.

Well the bouncing is easy to explain. I had my iPhone hanging on my rear view 
mirror and so it's my iPhone swinging rather than the car..LOL..anyway this is 
what makes the video fun. I tried figuring out different ways to record myself 
but this was the best :-).

I will be here.

Love,
Ravi.


On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:26 PM, "authfriend"  wrote:

> Ravi!! SO glad to see you back. Kiss-kiss.
> 
> Very cool video, this one. If I may ask, how the heck did
> you get the car to bounce in time with the music??
> 
> That's 50, and I'm out till the weekend. You better still
> be here, you hear?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > Another video of mine from my pain-filled, bliss-filled mundane 
> > extraordinary life.
> > 
> > http://youtu.be/XcH7lccVF0E
> > 
> > For my lovers..
> > 
> > OK, OK, fine, that elephant chasing, car chasing, tail fascinated obsessed 
> > kid of mine can watch it too 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> > >
> > > RaviI missed you and thank you for your words and the lovely video. Â 
> > > 
> > > P.S. Robin's post was entirely awesome, I agree...it stands on its own 
> > > perfectly. Â 
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's Youtube

[authfriend]

Ravi!! SO glad to see you back. Kiss-kiss.

Very cool video, this one. If I may ask, how the heck did
you get the car to bounce in time with the music??


That's 50, and I'm out till the weekend. You better still
be here, you hear?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Another video of mine from my pain-filled, bliss-filled mundane extraordinary 
> life.
> 
> http://youtu.be/XcH7lccVF0E
> 
> For my lovers..
> 
> OK, OK, fine, that elephant chasing, car chasing, tail fascinated obsessed 
> kid of mine can watch it too 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> >
> > RaviI missed you and thank you for your words and the lovely video.  
> > 
> > P.S. Robin's post was entirely awesome, I agree...it stands on its own 
> > perfectly.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[curtisdeltablues]

I got one claim wrong, he was claiming it was 15 minutes after the crashes not 
before.  There were a few crashes.  He might mean 15 mintues before the one 
that hit the Pentagon but people wouldn't have been sticking around till then, 
it was mayday from 9 on.  Here are the times;

"American Airlines Flight 11, a Boeing 767-223, wide-body aircraft crashed into 
the north side of the North Tower of the World Trade Center (WTC) at 8:46:30 
a.m. local time (which was Eastern Daylight Time, or 12:46:30 UTC).

United Airlines Flight 175, a Boeing 767-222, crashed into the South Tower at 
9:02:59 a.m. local time (13:02:59 UTC)

American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757-223, crashed into the Pentagon at 
9:37:46 a.m. local time (13:37:46 UTC).

United Airlines Flight 93, a Boeing 757-222, crashed in a field in southwest 
Pennsylvania just outside of Shanksville, about 150 miles (240 km) northwest of 
Washington, D.C., at 10:03:11 a.m. local time (14:03:11 UTC)"


Anyway, I've made my point about the "prediction" that wasn't.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/september_1…


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> 
> > Here is the link for the whole mediator's article with the relevant excerpt 
> > and here is the link:
> > 
> > http://web.me.com/davidnsaunders/dns/papers/index.htm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Rather buried, well down in this large full-page ad was the startling 
> > question:
> > 
> > "Can you imagine if bombs began to fall on Washington D.C., and to 
> > destroy the high-rises of the money markets of New York? Will NATO be able 
> > to prevent this? When this happens it will be beyond the power even of the 
> > wealthy to save the situation."
> > 
> > Frankly, I couldn't imagine this at all, and imagined instead that 
> > Maharishi was somehow losing his grip. It's only with hindsight that one 
> > can see this wasn't conjecture but a forecast, and how uncannily accurate 
> > it was. And of course, a year and a half later on September 11 2001, I 
> > remembered this advert—and radically revised my opinion about Maharishi—and 
> > started writing my article about Peace.
> > Maharishi even knew the right date...
> > 
> > While writing this article I received an email invitation to a press 
> > conference in Washington on this exact topic, uncannily timed for 15 
> > minutes after the attack on the Pentagon. Titled "Army Generals offer 
> > President Bush alternative to Missile Defence Shield -- Top-Ranking 
> > Military Leader from India Proposes 'Vedic Defence Shield' for Prevention 
> > of War." This contrasts American and Indian technologies for preventing war.
> > 
> > Is this timing an uncanny coincidence, or is it further proof Maharishi 
> > knew not just what was going to happen, but when as well?...
> > 
> > I learned later that quite a lot of people attended this event, including 
> > senior US military figures. But of course a while before the Press 
> > Conference was due to start, their cellphones started ringing as the 9/11 
> > attacks began, and one by one they left the room... 
> 
> 
> Good find, I guess I was refferring to an ad in Washington Post. Maharishi 
> was swamped with calls from the press after 9/11 to nail him down as a 
> claivoiant. 
> And IF the americans had brought the big groups together at that time this 
> crime would not have happened.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is the Internet mindset antithetical to spiritual life?

[Ravi Chivukula]

Thank you dear Obba..XOXO

I have, surprise, surprise another post pending to Susan Waybackward. And one 
to King Baby.


On Dec 29, 2011, at 4:45 PM, obbajeeba  wrote:

> Ravi, a kiss to your cheek. You are back to feeling quite well! Give that 
> life energy to this Earth for us to grow, O' Ravi, the one called the Sun in 
> the English language!
> May I add a few more busy people's activities? Okay, thanks, I will.
> Soccer and/or Tennis moms, 9-5 workers, retired folks, Cable TV watchers of 
> regular soap shows and weather channel addicts, hair salon and nail parlor 
> frequenters, waxing, botox, Football, Football and beer..
> 
> ATTENTION WHORES? Muwah? Now I am included! Hey skip or read this post, I do 
> not care, one does not know if I am in underwear!
> 
> Here are some interesting FFL Forum posts, to replace those not worthy of 
> reading: 
> 
> LOST: Kitten who answers to Muffy. Grey tab with pink paws on the front, tail 
> slightly short from railroad car oppsie. 
> 
> WANTED: Job to babysit your kids, while you play at the gym or go out with 
> the ladies for Gulab Jamin.
> 
> NOTICE: The men's (men only, please) barbershop quartet meets once a week at 
> St. Michael's Baptist Church on Tuesdays. Must have a good voice and pass the 
> audition. Those wishing to keep their dome badges, may have to pass by this 
> magnificent opportunity, for Saint Michael, shh, don't ask, don't tell.
> 
> REAL ESTATE: For Sale, Beautiful house with east facing entrance, 4BR 4B, 
> 
> SINGLE: HWC, Looking for the same. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Susan,
> > 
> > I know you are a very busy person with dogs to walk, kids to care, friends, 
> > movies but I have the following list of the bottom of the can, low-vibe, 
> > slimeball, idiotic retards on this list who continue to be enthralled, 
> > enticed and entertained by the troika of the King Baby Barry, the mediocre 
> > reviewer, Vaj, the liar and HH Curtis, the messiah of the intellectual 
> > dishonesty.
> > 
> > Steve, Rick, Barry 2, Susan, Sal..
> > 
> > Please help me keep this list updated and I apologize again if I missed any 
> > other obvious idiots.
> > 
> > Thanks for you support 
> > 
> > Love,
> > Ravi
> > 
> > On Dec 29, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear Susan,
> > > 
> > > Thank you so much. Yes I agree it's not enough that we only have cream if 
> > > the top, the intelligent, creative, emotionally healthy people like the 
> > > Judy's, the Jim's, the Bob's, the Robin's, the Rory's, the Denise's, the 
> > > Obba's.
> > > 
> > > We also need the mediocre, the dumb, the retarded who time and again show 
> > > their strong commitment to their lives in cocoons. I'm glad you have 
> > > taken a strong moral stand and your unconditional support so the troika 
> > > of the King Baby Barry, the mediocre reviewer, Vaj, the liar and HH 
> > > Curtis, the messiah of the intellectual dishonesty continue to entertain, 
> > > enthrall and entice the bottom of the can, the low vibe, slime ball, 
> > > idiotic, retarded of this list.
> > > 
> > > I apologize for not mentioning you in this list.
> > > 
> > > Love,
> > > Ravi
> > > 
> > > On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:21 AM, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > 
> > >> Lately, I skip about 99 percent of the posts on FFL. I get that a few 
> > >> people are delighted to have an audience, anyone who will engage. I 
> > >> avoid them entirely. But for me the even bigger question is: why does 
> > >> anyone want to be that audience? Maybe I missed something along the way 
> > >> since I don't read these attention-seekers at all - not since reading 
> > >> their first few posts. Don't they and all the people who keep replying 
> > >> to them and stirring the pot have work to do, books to read, walks to 
> > >> take, dogs to walk, movies to see, friends and/or family to spend time 
> > >> with, dishes to wash, food to cook, meals to eat, even meditation and 
> > >> yoga to practice? You can analyze it well, but I mean, seriously, who 
> > >> cares for these people, and their audience? Who does the daily living 
> > >> stuff for them? How do they earn a living, live and then spend all this 
> > >> time posting about, about mind-jumbling uninteresting concepts. Just 
> > >> saying I noticed the same things as you did here and it is interesting 
> > >> to hear that FFL is not the only place seeing the same Wonder what the 
> > >> next stage will be
> > >> 
> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > I've been wondering about this lately, because so many forums I'm a 
> > >> > part
> > >> > of have been invaded by hordes of what I tend to call ( for want of the
> > >> > proper Sanskrit term :-) attention sluts. You know the type of person
> > >> > I'm talking about. Insecure, not many real-life friends, and seriously
> > >> > in need of attention. Any kind of attention will seemingly do. So the
> > >> > attention sl

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's Youtube

[Ravi Chivukula]

I didn't notice it. I'll go back and check.

Anyway I attract a range of emotions from people who watch me, people who feel 
happy to people who watch as if I'm crazy. LOL.. But that is the only time when 
I can sing to my heart's content without disturbing others, relatively speaking.


On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:01 PM, obbajeeba  wrote:

> @2:43, the kid in the backseat of the car next to you, points and opens his 
> mouth wide as if to say, WTF?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > Another video of mine from my pain-filled, bliss-filled mundane 
> > extraordinary life.
> > 
> > http://youtu.be/XcH7lccVF0E
> > 
> > For my lovers..
> > 
> > OK, OK, fine, that elephant chasing, car chasing, tail fascinated obsessed 
> > kid of mine can watch it too 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> > >
> > > RaviI missed you and thank you for your words and the lovely video. Â 
> > > 
> > > P.S. Robin's post was entirely awesome, I agree...it stands on its own 
> > > perfectly. Â 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > From: Ravi Chivukula 
> > > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:22 PM
> > > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's Youtube
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >Â  
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I updated the description a little bit.
> > > >
> > > >Ravi, the sufi, the lover is full of love for his beloved. He feels 
> > > >pain, intense separation, as he longs for her, blissful as he loses 
> > > >himself in her.
> > > >
> > > >Ravi doesn't hide or numb his pain using alcohol, drugs generously 
> > > >sponsored by pharma or project it into fascination for pacifism, 
> > > >socialism, poverty worshipping, life-abnegating messiahs such as Gandhi 
> > > >and Teresa, social utopia, myriad pain numbing therapies, non-violent 
> > > >communication, religion or Gurus.
> > > >
> > > >He channels his pain and bliss into music, dance, drama, arts. Totally 
> > > >accepting the puzzling, baffling, bewildering contradictions of life and 
> > > >celebrating it.
> > > >
> > > >Love,
> > > >Ravi
> > > >
> > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > > >wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.youtube.com/user/ravichivukula?feature=mhee
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> *Title:* Ravi Chivukula - Celebrating Life
> > > >> 
> > > >> *Description:*
> > > >> 
> > > >> Ravi, the sufi, the lover is full of love for his beloved. He feels 
> > > >> pain as
> > > >> he longs for her, blissful as he loses himself in her.
> > > >> 
> > > >> Ravi doesn't hide his pain into fascination for pacifism, socialism,
> > > >> poverty worshipping, life-abnegating messiahs such as Gandhi and 
> > > >> Teresa,
> > > >> social utopia, myriad pain numbing therapies, non-violent 
> > > >> communication,
> > > >> religion or Guru.
> > > >> 
> > > >> He channels his pain and bliss into music, dance, drama, arts. Totally
> > > >> accepting the puzzling, baffling, bewildering contradictions of life 
> > > >> and
> > > >> celebrating it.
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> Thank you,
> > > >> Ravi.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's Youtube

[obbajeeba]

@2:43, the kid in the backseat of the car next to you, points and opens  his 
mouth wide as if to say, WTF?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Another video of mine from my pain-filled, bliss-filled mundane extraordinary 
> life.
> 
> http://youtu.be/XcH7lccVF0E
> 
> For my lovers..
> 
> OK, OK, fine, that elephant chasing, car chasing, tail fascinated obsessed 
> kid of mine can watch it too 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> >
> > RaviI missed you and thank you for your words and the lovely video.  
> > 
> > P.S. Robin's post was entirely awesome, I agree...it stands on its own 
> > perfectly.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > From: Ravi Chivukula 
> > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:22 PM
> > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's Youtube
> > > 
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >I updated the description a little bit.
> > >
> > >Ravi, the sufi, the lover is full of love for his beloved. He feels pain, 
> > >intense separation, as he longs for her, blissful as he loses himself in 
> > >her.
> > >
> > >Ravi doesn't hide or numb his pain using alcohol, drugs generously 
> > >sponsored by pharma or project it into fascination for pacifism, 
> > >socialism, poverty worshipping, life-abnegating messiahs such as Gandhi 
> > >and Teresa, social utopia, myriad pain numbing therapies, non-violent 
> > >communication, religion or Gurus.
> > >
> > >He channels his pain and bliss into music, dance, drama, arts. Totally 
> > >accepting the puzzling, baffling, bewildering contradictions of life and 
> > >celebrating it.
> > >
> > >Love,
> > >Ravi
> > >
> > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > >wrote:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.youtube.com/user/ravichivukula?feature=mhee
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> *Title:* Ravi Chivukula - Celebrating Life
> > >> 
> > >> *Description:*
> > >> 
> > >> Ravi, the sufi, the lover is full of love for his beloved. He feels pain 
> > >> as
> > >> he longs for her, blissful as he loses himself in her.
> > >> 
> > >> Ravi doesn't hide his pain into fascination for pacifism, socialism,
> > >> poverty worshipping, life-abnegating messiahs such as Gandhi and Teresa,
> > >> social utopia, myriad pain numbing therapies, non-violent communication,
> > >> religion or Guru.
> > >> 
> > >> He channels his pain and bliss into music, dance, drama, arts. Totally
> > >> accepting the puzzling, baffling, bewildering contradictions of life and
> > >> celebrating it.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Thank you,
> > >> Ravi.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is the Internet mindset antithetical to spiritual life?

[obbajeeba]

Ravi, a kiss to your cheek. You are back to feeling quite well! Give that life 
energy to this Earth for us to grow, O' Ravi, the one called the Sun in the 
English language!
May I add a few more busy people's activities? Okay, thanks, I will.
Soccer and/or Tennis moms, 9-5 workers, retired folks, Cable TV watchers of 
regular soap shows and weather channel addicts, hair salon and nail parlor 
frequenters, waxing, botox, Football, Football and beer..

ATTENTION WHORES?  Muwah? Now I am included! Hey skip or read this post, I do 
not care, one does not know if I am in underwear!


Here are some interesting FFL Forum posts, to replace those not worthy of 
reading: 

LOST: Kitten who answers to Muffy. Grey tab with pink paws on the front, tail 
slightly short from railroad car oppsie. 

WANTED: Job to babysit your kids, while you play at the gym or go out with the 
ladies for Gulab Jamin.

NOTICE: The men's (men only, please) barbershop quartet meets once a week at 
St. Michael's Baptist Church on Tuesdays. Must have a good voice and pass the 
audition. Those wishing to keep their dome badges, may have to pass by this 
magnificent opportunity, for Saint Michael, shh, don't ask, don't tell.

REAL ESTATE: For Sale, Beautiful house with east facing entrance, 4BR 4B, 

SINGLE: HWC, Looking for the same. 


 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Dear Susan,
> 
> I know you are a very busy person with dogs to walk, kids to care, friends, 
> movies but I have the following list of the bottom of the can, low-vibe, 
> slimeball, idiotic retards on this list who continue to be enthralled, 
> enticed and entertained by the troika of the King Baby Barry, the mediocre 
> reviewer, Vaj, the liar and HH Curtis, the messiah of the intellectual 
> dishonesty.
> 
> Steve, Rick, Barry 2, Susan, Sal..
> 
> Please help me keep this list updated and I apologize again if I missed any 
> other obvious idiots.
> 
> Thanks for you support 
> 
> Love,
> Ravi
> 
> On Dec 29, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> 
> > Dear Susan,
> > 
> > Thank you so much. Yes I agree it's not enough that we only have cream if 
> > the top, the intelligent, creative, emotionally healthy people like the 
> > Judy's, the Jim's, the Bob's, the Robin's, the Rory's, the Denise's, the 
> > Obba's.
> > 
> > We also need the mediocre, the dumb, the retarded who time and again show 
> > their strong commitment to their lives in cocoons. I'm glad you have taken 
> > a strong moral stand and your unconditional support so the troika of the 
> > King Baby Barry, the mediocre reviewer, Vaj, the liar and HH Curtis, the 
> > messiah of the intellectual dishonesty continue to entertain, enthrall and 
> > entice the bottom of the can, the low vibe, slime ball, idiotic, retarded 
> > of this list.
> > 
> > I apologize for not mentioning you in this list.
> > 
> > Love,
> > Ravi
> > 
> > On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:21 AM, "Susan"  wrote:
> > 
> >> Lately, I skip about 99 percent of the posts on FFL. I get that a few 
> >> people are delighted to have an audience, anyone who will engage. I avoid 
> >> them entirely. But for me the even bigger question is: why does anyone 
> >> want to be that audience? Maybe I missed something along the way since I 
> >> don't read these attention-seekers at all - not since reading their first 
> >> few posts. Don't they and all the people who keep replying to them and 
> >> stirring the pot have work to do, books to read, walks to take, dogs to 
> >> walk, movies to see, friends and/or family to spend time with, dishes to 
> >> wash, food to cook, meals to eat, even meditation and yoga to practice? 
> >> You can analyze it well, but I mean, seriously, who cares for these 
> >> people, and their audience? Who does the daily living stuff for them? How 
> >> do they earn a living, live and then spend all this time posting about, 
> >> about mind-jumbling uninteresting concepts. Just saying I noticed the same 
> >> things as you did here and it is interesting to hear that FFL is not the 
> >> only place seeing the same Wonder what the next stage will be
> >> 
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I've been wondering about this lately, because so many forums I'm a part
> >> > of have been invaded by hordes of what I tend to call ( for want of the
> >> > proper Sanskrit term :-) attention sluts. You know the type of person
> >> > I'm talking about. Insecure, not many real-life friends, and seriously
> >> > in need of attention. Any kind of attention will seemingly do. So the
> >> > attention sluts tend to post a LOT, eating up bandwidth and
> >> > automatically rendering themselves uninteresting to those who don't
> >> > gravitate to Chatty Cathy types.
> >> > 
> >> > If no one replies or gives them the attention they seek, the attention
> >> > sluts tend to practice one or more of three primary strategies. The
> >> > first is to talk about themselves, pretty much no

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[Bhairitu]

On 12/29/2011 09:53 AM, John wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus"  
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> seventhray1:
>>> We just paid taxes of over $4,000.00 on our
>>> house in our metropolitan are.  Our home is
>>> nothing fantastic, but is reasonably nice.
>>>
>>> If  tea party people are objecting to what I
>>> consider to be these excesses, then I am
>>> sympathetic to their cause.
>>>
>> Property taxes should be abolished. It is an
>> unfair system. If I were elected, I would author
>> a bill that would replace all school district
>> property taxes and wipe out  the taxing ability
>> of local school boards.
>>
>> It's just outrageous, these property taxes! I
>> don't even have any children attending public
>> schools!
>>
>> In my government package, I would propose to
>> elimnate all public schools and the federal
>> department of education. The government has no
>> business running schools. The current system
>> of federal-run schools is a failure and is
>> costing voters and homeowners a bundle!
>>
> You're criticizing a long tradition of public education in the USA.  There 
> have been many outstanding leaders and presidents who were educated from the 
> public school system.  Abandoning the system would deprive young people with 
> talent but with no financial support to get a better education, which is the 
> foundation of the democratic government in the USA.

Willy wants kids dumb and uneducated.  They make better serfs and sex 
slaves that way.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[Bhairitu]

On 12/29/2011 02:53 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> Thanks for your reply, but.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
>> That's what I pay in taxes but then I live in the Bay Area. The county
>> does offer to re-assess though. I also live in what was once John
>> Muir's orchard and have crickets chirping summer evenings.
>
> stop right there.  That is awesome.  I have been waiting for someone to
> ask me which Americans I admire most.  No one has ever asked me, but my
> answer is Thomas Jefferson and John Muir.  There was a period when I was
> absorbed in the life story of John Muir.  That interest was sparked by a
> visit to Yosemite.  I liked Yosemite a lot, but I have to say that I
> felt that Muir Woods, north of S.F. was absolutely magical.  It left a
> deeper impression on me than did Yosemite.
>
> And I remember reading in Muir's life about when he did get married and
> had an orchard and did other farming IIRC.  That is really cool.  Thanks
> for sharing.

Muir's mansion is a couple blocks from here.  Never been to it as I was 
saving it for when friends visit but we never seem to get to it.  Muir 
was instrumental in getting the capitalist exploiters booted out of 
Yosemite.  They wanted to turn it into an amusement park.

[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[seventhray1]

Got nailed with this winner concept, didn't you Ravi.  Having to twist
this one around to make it more kosher.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
 wrote:
>
> And Denise, yes Winner from the perspective of the one who wanted to
challenge me. Now having humiliated this person, I feel that person's
emotions - hurt, pain, anger, because they are another part of me, how
can I not feel hurt?
>
> But I am able to quickly internalize and transform these emotions,
both mine and the other. I feel joy and blissful very quickly.
>
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:
>
> > "
> > Hm..the "winner" huh. Your statement here is a bit
convoluted. If you have no agenda, then why do you have to "win." You
make some assumptions here about "the person who approaches you.".."
> >
> > Ravi - Approaches with an agenda that is, as in to confront me.
Winner only from their perspective. I don't care either way, but the
choice to play or withdraw with my playful humor or entice them with my
love is entirely up to my intuition.
> >
> >
> > "Yes"if you so desire" you can use whatever tactics please
you."you remain untouched." This is your reality then? "
> >
> > Yes. Since I'm ever alert I just adapt seamlessly, a bit unruffled
at first on a completely new situation but never throws me off balance.
It's work in progress anyway, I will only get better.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >> Anyway my 99 cents on this. The only way anyone can approach me,
understand me, conquer me is through love.
> >> <
> >> I know this Ravi. This is true for all humans, in the end. This is
why I sent you that painting - it really is a beautiful piece (IMHO). I
think Bob understood what I was saying as he was the only one to
respond, except for your initial response. It was not at all about my
fixation with the male sex organ (and I do not have a fixation btw).
Robin thought someone should meet you where you were at...that was my
attempt :)
> >>
> >> 
> >> If someone approaches me with an agenda to one up me, with a
belief, through the intellect I will always be the winner because I
myself have no agenda, no beliefs so this person who approaches me thus
is completely vulnerable to my attacks. If I so desire I will use my
toxic tongue and caustic sarcasm to humiliate them or may be like Barry
says rip them a new asshole or I may just my playful detached humor to
escape or use my unconditional love to spoil them with attention, love,
humility and kindness. Either way I remain untouched, untainted,
untarnished by anything outside of me.
> >> <
> >> Hm..the "winner" huh. Your statement here is a bit
convoluted. If you have no agenda, then why do you have to "win." You
make some assumptions here about "the person who approaches you."
Yes"if you so desire" you can use whatever tactics please
you."you remain untouched." This is your reality then?
> >>
> >>
> >>
>

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[FairfieldLife] Nityananda

[Yifu]

http://www.nityananda.us/life.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:

> Here is the link for the whole mediator's article with the relevant excerpt 
> and here is the link:
> 
> http://web.me.com/davidnsaunders/dns/papers/index.htm
> 
> 
> 
> Rather buried, well down in this large full-page ad was the startling 
> question:
> 
> "Can you imagine if bombs began to fall on Washington D.C., and to 
> destroy the high-rises of the money markets of New York? Will NATO be able to 
> prevent this? When this happens it will be beyond the power even of the 
> wealthy to save the situation."
> 
> Frankly, I couldn't imagine this at all, and imagined instead that Maharishi 
> was somehow losing his grip. It's only with hindsight that one can see this 
> wasn't conjecture but a forecast, and how uncannily accurate it was. And of 
> course, a year and a half later on September 11 2001, I remembered this 
> advert—and radically revised my opinion about Maharishi—and started writing 
> my article about Peace.
> Maharishi even knew the right date...
> 
> While writing this article I received an email invitation to a press 
> conference in Washington on this exact topic, uncannily timed for 15 minutes 
> after the attack on the Pentagon. Titled "Army Generals offer President Bush 
> alternative to Missile Defence Shield -- Top-Ranking Military Leader from 
> India Proposes 'Vedic Defence Shield' for Prevention of War." This contrasts 
> American and Indian technologies for preventing war.
> 
> Is this timing an uncanny coincidence, or is it further proof Maharishi knew 
> not just what was going to happen, but when as well?...
> 
> I learned later that quite a lot of people attended this event, including 
> senior US military figures. But of course a while before the Press Conference 
> was due to start, their cellphones started ringing as the 9/11 attacks began, 
> and one by one they left the room... 


Good find, I guess I was refferring to an ad in Washington Post. Maharishi was 
swamped with calls from the press after 9/11 to nail him down as a claivoiant. 
And IF the americans had brought the big groups together at that time this 
crime would not have happened.

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[seventhray1]

Thanks for your reply, but.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:

> That's what I pay in taxes but then I live in the Bay Area. The county
> does offer to re-assess though. I also live in what was once John
> Muir's orchard and have crickets chirping summer evenings.


stop right there.  That is awesome.  I have been waiting for someone to
ask me which Americans I admire most.  No one has ever asked me, but my
answer is Thomas Jefferson and John Muir.  There was a period when I was
absorbed in the life story of John Muir.  That interest was sparked by a
visit to Yosemite.  I liked Yosemite a lot, but I have to say that I
felt that Muir Woods, north of S.F. was absolutely magical.  It left a
deeper impression on me than did Yosemite.

And I remember reading in Muir's life about when he did get married and
had an orchard and did other farming IIRC.  That is really cool.  Thanks
for sharing.

[FairfieldLife] #5# Think About It... New Year

[Paulo Barbosa]

Think About It... New Year

"But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that
giveth thee power to..." (Deuteronomy 8:18).

Praise God all days in new year . even though  problems  and
difficulties, He will give you strength to win. Think  about
it...

Happy New Year!

Paulo Barbosa
tprob...@terra.com.br

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's Youtube

[Ravi Chivukula]

Another video of mine from my pain-filled, bliss-filled mundane extraordinary 
life.

http://youtu.be/XcH7lccVF0E

For my lovers..

OK, OK, fine, that elephant chasing, car chasing, tail fascinated obsessed kid 
of mine can watch it too 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> RaviI missed you and thank you for your words and the lovely video.  
> 
> P.S. Robin's post was entirely awesome, I agree...it stands on its own 
> perfectly.  
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > From: Ravi Chivukula 
> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:22 PM
> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's Youtube
> > 
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >I updated the description a little bit.
> >
> >Ravi, the sufi, the lover is full of love for his beloved. He feels pain, 
> >intense separation, as he longs for her, blissful as he loses himself in her.
> >
> >Ravi doesn't hide or numb his pain using alcohol, drugs generously sponsored 
> >by pharma or project it into fascination for pacifism, socialism, poverty 
> >worshipping, life-abnegating messiahs such as Gandhi and Teresa, social 
> >utopia, myriad pain numbing therapies, non-violent communication, religion 
> >or Gurus.
> >
> >He channels his pain and bliss into music, dance, drama, arts. Totally 
> >accepting the puzzling, baffling, bewildering contradictions of life and 
> >celebrating it.
> >
> >Love,
> >Ravi
> >
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/user/ravichivukula?feature=mhee
> >> 
> >> 
> >> *Title:* Ravi Chivukula - Celebrating Life
> >> 
> >> *Description:*
> >> 
> >> Ravi, the sufi, the lover is full of love for his beloved. He feels pain as
> >> he longs for her, blissful as he loses himself in her.
> >> 
> >> Ravi doesn't hide his pain into fascination for pacifism, socialism,
> >> poverty worshipping, life-abnegating messiahs such as Gandhi and Teresa,
> >> social utopia, myriad pain numbing therapies, non-violent communication,
> >> religion or Guru.
> >> 
> >> He channels his pain and bliss into music, dance, drama, arts. Totally
> >> accepting the puzzling, baffling, bewildering contradictions of life and
> >> celebrating it.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Thank you,
> >> Ravi.
> >>
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:

> No, you can do the Googling yourself. Will keep you off that horrible music 
> for awhile.
> He warned specifically the US of an attac on it's financial centre months 
> before it happenned.
>

Yes, as usual it is up to me to disprove the claim rather then you standing up 
and making it clearly enough to be discussed.  Better to live in vague innuendo 
when slinging the magical hash.

Here is an article written by a mediator about this below.

Along with the "prediction" that a terrorist strike would be bad for the US if 
it was in Washington or New York's financial district, which seems great in 
retrospect, we have the curious scheduling of the Vedic shield defense theory 
in DC at 10 o'clock. Notice the slippery shaping of the mediator who claims it 
was 15 minutes before the attacks which started at 8:46.

He claims that these people who arrived an hour and a quarterf for a TM 
presentation:

"I learned later that quite a lot of people attended this event, including 
senior US military figures"

Pure movement spin, no names, and the improbable idea that they would arrive 
for a presentation so early and wait around till 10, or that they would attend 
such an event at all.  What do you bet they had one sidha who worked at the 
Pentagon there?


The time of the event is listed here: 
http://web.me.com/davidnsaunders/dns/etc/VedicDefenceShield.htm 


So lets review this prediction.  Years AFTER Al-Quaeda tried to bomb the World 
Trade center Maharishi says it would be terrible if they bombed it again and 
also Washington.

Under his direction a conference was scheduled for after the events of 9-11 
actually took place.

So if you ask me, his general prediction seems good AFTER the fact as they all 
do, and he really screwed up if he did have predictive power in scheduling the 
solution to arrive AFTER the problem. Even if it was 15 minutes before what 
good would that do?  And if his message was so vital why let it get eclipsed by 
these events if he knew so much?

In other words we have two choices here. Maharishi was either:

1. A guy who made so many predictions some of them came true. (Especially ones 
that we already feared for good reasons from previous attacks.)

2. He was an incompetent bungler who, blessed with magical predictive ability 
to save lives, got it all just enough wrong in the timing so that even if 
people took this fundraising effort seriously, it would do no good.


So now we have the 20/20 hindsight on his bungling negligence now also don't we?

I still am kinda fond of the guy so I am going with number 1.

 
Here is the link for the whole mediator's article with the relevant excerpt and 
here is the link:

http://web.me.com/davidnsaunders/dns/papers/index.htm



Rather buried, well down in this large full-page ad was the startling question:

"Can you imagine if bombs began to fall on Washington D.C., and to destroy 
the high-rises of the money markets of New York? Will NATO be able to prevent 
this? When this happens it will be beyond the power even of the wealthy to save 
the situation."

Frankly, I couldn't imagine this at all, and imagined instead that Maharishi 
was somehow losing his grip. It's only with hindsight that one can see this 
wasn't conjecture but a forecast, and how uncannily accurate it was. And of 
course, a year and a half later on September 11 2001, I remembered this 
advert—and radically revised my opinion about Maharishi—and started writing my 
article about Peace.
Maharishi even knew the right date...

While writing this article I received an email invitation to a press conference 
in Washington on this exact topic, uncannily timed for 15 minutes after the 
attack on the Pentagon. Titled "Army Generals offer President Bush alternative 
to Missile Defence Shield -- Top-Ranking Military Leader from India Proposes 
'Vedic Defence Shield' for Prevention of War." This contrasts American and 
Indian technologies for preventing war.

Is this timing an uncanny coincidence, or is it further proof Maharishi knew 
not just what was going to happen, but when as well?...

I learned later that quite a lot of people attended this event, including 
senior US military figures. But of course a while before the Press Conference 
was due to start, their cellphones started ringing as the 9/11 attacks began, 
and one by one they left the room... 







>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Well you see that is exactly the problem of the illusions created by 
> > hindsight, as well as our highly selective choice of remembering things 
> > Maharishi predicted. (rumor has it a few didn't come through.)  Maharishi 
> > was an emphatic prediction kind of guy both in the negative and positive, 
> > depending on his mood. One minute nature herself couldn't stop the movement 
> > (actual quote) and the next we were all bound for hell in a handbasket 
> > (imagined quote b

[FairfieldLife] Roger Ebert on movie revenues dropping

[Bhairitu]

Roger gives his reasons why movie revenues are dropping (2011 the worst 
since 1995).
http://www.rogerebert.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111228/COMMENTARY/111229973/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Well you see that is exactly the problem of the illusions created by 
> > hindsight, as well as our highly selective choice of remembering things 
> > Maharishi predicted. (rumor has it a few didn't come through.)  Maharishi 
> > was an emphatic prediction kind of guy both in the negative and positive, 
> > depending on his mood. One minute nature herself couldn't stop the movement 
> > (actual quote) and the next we were all bound for hell in a handbasket 
> > (imagined quote but accurate in tone)
> > 
> > And as much as I have ties with the events of 9-11 living close enough to 
> > the Pentagon to pass by the gaping hole days after, it was not the biggest 
> > event for mankind to warn us about if one had magic powers was it?  I mean 
> > we are just finding out the value of using AIDS treatment as a prevention 
> > for spreading the disease, and if this was promoted by a prediction enabled 
> > Maharishi it would have saved millions of lives.
> > 
> > Maharishi spouted out all manors of predictions and we select the 
> > convenient few.  And it isn't even a conscious process is it?  It is how we 
> > are wired and our ineptitude regarding this illusion of 20/20 hindsight.  I 
> > mean Condie Rice had a paper titled Bin Laden to Strike Inside the US and 
> > that didn't help us a bit did it?  Why?  Because we had many, many threats 
> > and only in retrospect does it look obvious that this was the ONE that 
> > nailed us.
> > 
> > But getting back to the warning.  Do you have the exact words?  I would be 
> > very interested in evaluating if Maharishi actually had prior knowledge in 
> > the specific, or if this was another vague "you are all doomed" message 
> > meant to drive more people into the domes.  It would be interested to see 
> > how closely his thinking process matched the terrorists.
> > 
> > So let's have the quote Nabbie, and we'll see how much of a magical 
> > prognosticator your marketing mad master really was.  And in a world of 
> > terrorism with the US being an obvious target, it needs to be more specific 
> > than "one of them is gunna get you all someday."  That much we knew.
> > 
> > Oh yeah, and I don't pay any price for playing music, the money runs in my 
> > direction, which is also coincidentally the best way to tell who the guru 
> > is in any group like TM.
> 
> 
> No, you can do the Googling yourself. Will keep you off that horrible music 
> for awhile.
> He warned specifically the US of an attac on it's financial centre months 
> before it happenned.
>

A few weeks actually

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Well you see that is exactly the problem of the illusions created by 
> hindsight, as well as our highly selective choice of remembering things 
> Maharishi predicted. (rumor has it a few didn't come through.)  Maharishi was 
> an emphatic prediction kind of guy both in the negative and positive, 
> depending on his mood. One minute nature herself couldn't stop the movement 
> (actual quote) and the next we were all bound for hell in a handbasket 
> (imagined quote but accurate in tone)
> 
> And as much as I have ties with the events of 9-11 living close enough to the 
> Pentagon to pass by the gaping hole days after, it was not the biggest event 
> for mankind to warn us about if one had magic powers was it?  I mean we are 
> just finding out the value of using AIDS treatment as a prevention for 
> spreading the disease, and if this was promoted by a prediction enabled 
> Maharishi it would have saved millions of lives.
> 
> Maharishi spouted out all manors of predictions and we select the convenient 
> few.  And it isn't even a conscious process is it?  It is how we are wired 
> and our ineptitude regarding this illusion of 20/20 hindsight.  I mean Condie 
> Rice had a paper titled Bin Laden to Strike Inside the US and that didn't 
> help us a bit did it?  Why?  Because we had many, many threats and only in 
> retrospect does it look obvious that this was the ONE that nailed us.
> 
> But getting back to the warning.  Do you have the exact words?  I would be 
> very interested in evaluating if Maharishi actually had prior knowledge in 
> the specific, or if this was another vague "you are all doomed" message meant 
> to drive more people into the domes.  It would be interested to see how 
> closely his thinking process matched the terrorists.
> 
> So let's have the quote Nabbie, and we'll see how much of a magical 
> prognosticator your marketing mad master really was.  And in a world of 
> terrorism with the US being an obvious target, it needs to be more specific 
> than "one of them is gunna get you all someday."  That much we knew.
> 
> Oh yeah, and I don't pay any price for playing music, the money runs in my 
> direction, which is also coincidentally the best way to tell who the guru is 
> in any group like TM.


No, you can do the Googling yourself. Will keep you off that horrible music for 
awhile.
He warned specifically the US of an attac on it's financial centre months 
before it happenned.

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Spying against our perceived enemies can be justified.  The US can 
> > > monitor the military actitivities going on in Iran to determine what 
> > > would be their next move.  The information gathered is necessary for the 
> > > president of the US to decide the best course of action.
> > 
> > 
> > Like when the americans justified the invasion of Iraq by falsely claiming 
> > they had weapons of mass destruction ?
> >
> 
> Nabs,
> 
> That's a good question.  I personally believe that someone from the CIA or 
> the National Security Agency made an egregious blunder in advising President 
> Bush that Iraq had WMD.  But there is also the possibility that Bush and his 
> advisors had already made a decision to attack Saddam based on political 
> reasons.  Bush didn't really care what the CIA found.



Could be he, as a very young soul, simply wanted revenge because Saddam once 
insulted his dad.


> 
> Looking back at the events, the CIA may have advised Bush that there were NO 
> weapons of mass destruction.  This was probably the reason why he gave Tenet, 
> the past CIA director, a medal of honor for his role in the Iraq war.
>

[FairfieldLife] Apollo 18

[Bhairitu]

The movie "Apollo 18" came out on BD and DVD this week.  It was in my 
Netflix disc queue and it christened my new Bluray player last night.  
The premise of the movie is that though the Apollo moon missions ended 
with Apollo 17 there was a secret Apollo 18 mission.  The film is 
supposedly derived from a set of films and video from the Apollo 18 
mission.  IOW, a  cheap way to make a movie consisting mainly of 3 
actors.  Not a bad film but entertaining but not great either but 
probably of interest to UFO and crop circle folks here.

And that's right I have yet another Bluray player.   Almost two years 
ago after Hollywood Video closed I decided to restore my Netflix account 
and watch movies online.  My first generation Sony Bluray player wasn't 
up to that and took forever to boot up anyway.  So I bought a Samsung 
C5500 which was a very popular low priced player that support online 
video.   Not my first online video player BTW, but that's another 
story.   Anyway Samsung kept promising Amazon Instant Video but it never 
happened.  And I was unimpressed with Samsung technology.  It took them 
several months to fix an aspect ratio bug in the Netflix app plus they 
never fixed a bug where if you played a BD or DVD you had to either 
restart the player or play a video clip with AAC to get a Netflix movie 
to play with sound.

So I decided a week back to cash in my reward points and get the Sony 
BDP-S480 which my points covered including tax and shipping.  When I 
cashed in and ordered it the message was that it would take 2 to 4 weeks 
to deliver.  Okay, I was in no rush.  They also said that they would 
send an email when it shipped.  Well yesterday returning home after my 
morning walk I noticed something at my front door (I go in and out via 
garage not the front door).  Sure enough, Fedex had delivered the 
player.  I might have been damn lucky if they delivered it the day 
before.  And there was no shipping notice email.

This player not only has the online services I use like Netflix (the 
remote even has a Netflix button), Vudu and of course Amazon but a bunch 
more including some free video sources.  It also has a browser so you 
can visit any website.   The player runs so much better than the Samsung 
and picture is definitely better.  The only service it is missing from 
my Samsung is Canon's Vimeo but figures that Sony would not want their 
camera competitor's app on their player.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[Vaj]

On Dec 29, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


That sounds like something right out of a high school civics book! :-D

One might consider that the drone shot down may have been a rigged one
that the military intended to be shot down with false electronics and
gear to throw the Iranians off. Oh wait, I forgot, our military isn't
that brilliant.



It always looked like a fake to me.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/12/15/iranian-captured-u-s-stealth-spy- 
drone-rq-170-a-fake/

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[John]

This drone story is still going on.  We don't how this event is going to play 
out.  From the news, we know that Obama asked for the drone back.  But Iran 
refused to do so.

We would to give the Iran military the benefit of the doubt.  It appears that 
they have some sophisticated electronics capability to capture a stealth drone. 
 In that case, the US should factor this fact into their planning in dealing 
with the new world order in the Middle East.

Using common sense, it would not be wise for Obama to start another war with 
Iran in particular.  Let's face it, the US don't have anymore money to waste in 
this endeavor.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> That sounds like something right out of a high school civics book! :-D
> 
> One might consider that the drone shot down may have been a rigged one 
> that the military intended to be shot down with false electronics and 
> gear to throw the Iranians off.  Oh wait, I forgot, our military isn't 
> that brilliant.
> 
> On 12/29/2011 10:20 AM, John wrote:
> > Spying against our perceived enemies can be justified.  The US can monitor 
> > the military actitivities going on in Iran to determine what would be their 
> > next move.  The information gathered is necessary for the president of the 
> > US to decide the best course of action.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> >> Here are a few of our toys.
> >>
> >> http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2011/1228/An-accelerating-covert-war-with-Iran-Could-it-spiral-into-military-action
> >>
> >>
> >> I just wonder who of our candidates has any ability whatsoever to manage 
> >> this on the foreign front. Â I always come back to who I see as our only 
> >> choice, flawed or not, and that would be our current 
> >> president/administration.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> 
> >>> From: Bhairitu
> >>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:28 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Â 
> >>> On 12/28/2011 05:39 PM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote:
> >> Here we go again.  Who will back
> >> down to avoid another war?
> >> Conventional wisdom would say that
> >> Iran should tow the line.  But then
> >> again who knows what they'll do.
> >>
> >>
>  Bhairitu:
> > The militerrorists want to play with
> > the new toys they got for Christmas.
> >
>  The Iranian 'militerrorists' probably
>  don't celebrate Christmas by giving
>  each other toys like you do.
> >>> I wasn't speaking about Iranian "militerrorists", Mr. Numbnuts.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] How to deal with telemarketers

[Bhairitu]

Tom Mabe likes to pull all kinds of pranks and is famous for the one he 
plays on telemarketers.  Here's a good one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7OgWcwgB50

What are your favorite methods for dealing with telemarketers?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[Bhairitu]

On 12/28/2011 09:43 PM, Emily Reyn wrote:
> AlrightI might buy most of this.I am "taken in" by you...you have 
> pushed me and I appreciate that.  But, while I do understand the concept that 
> you might feel the other persons pain after humiliating themwhy choose 
> that tactic?  It's not clear to me how humiliation really serves anyone 
> except yourself possibly.
> <
> P.S.  I might be close on my posts.  When the post count goes out...what is 
> UT...how do I translate that to Pacific Time?

There is a list of UT to time zones at the bottom of the Post Count.  
For Pacific Time 0 hours UT is 4 PM.   UT is Universal Time and a 
replacement for GMT or Greenwich Mean Time which becomes BST or British 
Summer Time (DST) in the spring and summer.  UT never changes and 
probably because we've shrunk the world to the size of a pin head with 
the Internet what we should all be using instead of local time zones 
(did I hear a big hooray from the astrologers here).  That way you'd 
always know when to call your friends in Mumbango.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[curtisdeltablues]

Well you see that is exactly the problem of the illusions created by hindsight, 
as well as our highly selective choice of remembering things Maharishi 
predicted. (rumor has it a few didn't come through.)  Maharishi was an emphatic 
prediction kind of guy both in the negative and positive, depending on his 
mood. One minute nature herself couldn't stop the movement (actual quote) and 
the next we were all bound for hell in a handbasket (imagined quote but 
accurate in tone)

And as much as I have ties with the events of 9-11 living close enough to the 
Pentagon to pass by the gaping hole days after, it was not the biggest event 
for mankind to warn us about if one had magic powers was it?  I mean we are 
just finding out the value of using AIDS treatment as a prevention for 
spreading the disease, and if this was promoted by a prediction enabled 
Maharishi it would have saved millions of lives.

Maharishi spouted out all manors of predictions and we select the convenient 
few.  And it isn't even a conscious process is it?  It is how we are wired and 
our ineptitude regarding this illusion of 20/20 hindsight.  I mean Condie Rice 
had a paper titled Bin Laden to Strike Inside the US and that didn't help us a 
bit did it?  Why?  Because we had many, many threats and only in retrospect 
does it look obvious that this was the ONE that nailed us.

But getting back to the warning.  Do you have the exact words?  I would be very 
interested in evaluating if Maharishi actually had prior knowledge in the 
specific, or if this was another vague "you are all doomed" message meant to 
drive more people into the domes.  It would be interested to see how closely 
his thinking process matched the terrorists.

So let's have the quote Nabbie, and we'll see how much of a magical 
prognosticator your marketing mad master really was.  And in a world of 
terrorism with the US being an obvious target, it needs to be more specific 
than "one of them is gunna get you all someday."  That much we knew.

Oh yeah, and I don't pay any price for playing music, the money runs in my 
direction, which is also coincidentally the best way to tell who the guru is in 
any group like TM.






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > This excellent quote really strikes at the heart of Maharishi's 
> > intellectual arrogance and fantasy.
> 
> 
> Maharishi is quoted in several newspapers and interviews as having warned of 
> an attac on the financial centre of NY. This is well known to most except 
> you. 
> I suppose that's the price you have to pay for spending so much time playing 
> HillBilly music.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > Spying against our perceived enemies can be justified.  The US can monitor 
> > the military actitivities going on in Iran to determine what would be their 
> > next move.  The information gathered is necessary for the president of the 
> > US to decide the best course of action.
> 
> 
> Like when the americans justified the invasion of Iraq by falsely claiming 
> they had weapons of mass destruction ?
>

Nabs,

That's a good question.  I personally believe that someone from the CIA or the 
National Security Agency made an egregious blunder in advising President Bush 
that Iraq had WMD.  But there is also the possibility that Bush and his 
advisors had already made a decision to attack Saddam based on political 
reasons.  Bush didn't really care what the CIA found.

Looking back at the events, the CIA may have advised Bush that there were NO 
weapons of mass destruction.  This was probably the reason why he gave Tenet, 
the past CIA director, a medal of honor for his role in the Iraq war.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[Bhairitu]

That sounds like something right out of a high school civics book! :-D

One might consider that the drone shot down may have been a rigged one 
that the military intended to be shot down with false electronics and 
gear to throw the Iranians off.  Oh wait, I forgot, our military isn't 
that brilliant.

On 12/29/2011 10:20 AM, John wrote:
> Spying against our perceived enemies can be justified.  The US can monitor 
> the military actitivities going on in Iran to determine what would be their 
> next move.  The information gathered is necessary for the president of the US 
> to decide the best course of action.
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>> Here are a few of our toys.
>>
>> http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2011/1228/An-accelerating-covert-war-with-Iran-Could-it-spiral-into-military-action
>>
>>
>> I just wonder who of our candidates has any ability whatsoever to manage 
>> this on the foreign front. Â I always come back to who I see as our only 
>> choice, flawed or not, and that would be our current 
>> president/administration.
>>
>>
>>
>>> 
>>> From: Bhairitu
>>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat
>>>
>>>
>>> Â 
>>> On 12/28/2011 05:39 PM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote:
>> Here we go again.  Who will back
>> down to avoid another war?
>> Conventional wisdom would say that
>> Iran should tow the line.  But then
>> again who knows what they'll do.
>>
>>
 Bhairitu:
> The militerrorists want to play with
> the new toys they got for Christmas.
>
 The Iranian 'militerrorists' probably
 don't celebrate Christmas by giving
 each other toys like you do.
>>> I wasn't speaking about Iranian "militerrorists", Mr. Numbnuts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[Emily Reyn]

Well, I think I'm at 47 posts with this one, so clearly I'll be quieter today.  
Something's gotta rein me in :)  A schedule is coming soon enough, though and I 
need to walk my cat today and hit the gym.

"Humiliation is only a quality of the relative not of the essence." 

Quality of the relative versus quality of the absolute - from the internet...If 
one assumes the criteria for the "quality" of object x is something 
"unquantifiable," then likely the "it's relative" phrase would be thrown around 
to describe its intrinsic dependence upon the observer as to the "level" of 
"quality. I put "level" in quotes the time prior to this one, in order to 
emphasize the questionable relevance of the concept under this scenario.

In that, it's all subjective, which I largely agree with.  For example, I have 
a choice in how I interpret you, what you say, etc.  

After thinking on "humiliation" last night, the word that popped into my head 
this morning was "humility."  Now, I can't have a philosophical discussion on 
either of those words, so I'll leave it there.

And then, there are the "labels."  For me, I ultimately don't see the point in 
applying them to the degree that it dismisses the individual from 
consideration.  To the extent that I've been "labeled" in my life, it has 
served only to render part of me disabled, where I cease to exist to myself on 
some level and start to self-destruct behind said label.  Rejecting the label 
as something that neatly "defines" me has been critical to my survival.  What I 
have loved about this forum, is really (and I've said this before) the room 
that it gives to exist...and much of that room is granted by those that 
practice or have practiced TM - in seeming direct opposition to the  "control" 
the organization might wield.  It does seem to follow the concept of separating 
the message from the messenger, for me.  The "room" that exists here has helped 
and healed me in so many ways, it is unbelievable, and unexplainable.  I had a 
therapist tell me it would cost me
 thousands of dollars and years of therapy to "recover" from my life's wounds, 
so to speak. That was my last appointment with her, of course, as I'd already 
been through years of talk therapy.  That kind of therapy has very limited 
applicability, in my view.  I don't have the answers to much, but I want to be 
somewhere where there is the "room" to exist (at least in my fantasy).

Ravi, please don't leave without saying "until we meet again."  





>
> From: Ravi Chivukula 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:12 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi 
>Chivukula
> 
>
>  
>No worries, words are always limiting and it only causes more questions. Trust 
>me when I say this, my own intellect constantly challenges its own statements 
>and opinions. So whatever I say can never be the truth or the final truth. You 
>don't have to respond till you make sense of it or have more questions. 
>Remember you are at 43 posts now :-).
>
>
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>>
>> WaitI've had all I can take...I need to think about this statement below 
>> in the context of what you are saying.  
>> 
>> "Humiliation is only a quality of the relative not of the essence." 
>> 
>> I'm not sure about this statement below either.  I'm not sure you will be 
>> the "first" person to do this..."soothingly"...I don't know that that was 
>> actually your first response when confronted...someone on this forum might 
>> beat you to it :) 
>> 
>> "And I will be the first person, if needed to soothe, love, apply medicine 
>> Denise." 
>> 
>> >
>> > From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...
>> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>> >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:09 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to 
>> >Ravi Chivukula
>> > 
>> >
>> >  
>> >And I will be the first person, if needed to soothe, love, apply medicine 
>> >Denise. You are a mother, you will easily understand this - the fact that 
>> >you can hurt your child and then unconditionally love, soothe them a little 
>> >later.
>> >
>> >
>> >That's why I always used to laugh at liberals, the ones who were single 
>> >childless, their fascination for projecting non-violence, peace, 
>> >non-violent communication on to others. Their furious, feverish efforts to 
>> >numb themselves, insulate themselves from pain by trying to control the 
>> >whole world used to be so hilarious and fascinating to me.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Thanks Denise. Well because if the other throws his shit at me I sometimes 
>> >double down and throw it back at them.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Again humiliation from their perspective. Humiliation is only a quality of 
>> >>the relative not of the essence. I'm not th

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> This excellent quote really strikes at the heart of Maharishi's intellectual 
> arrogance and fantasy.


Maharishi is quoted in several newspapers and interviews as having warned of an 
attac on the financial centre of NY. This is well known to most except you. 
I suppose that's the price you have to pay for spending so much time playing 
HillBilly music.

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> Spying against our perceived enemies can be justified.  The US can monitor 
> the military actitivities going on in Iran to determine what would be their 
> next move.  The information gathered is necessary for the president of the US 
> to decide the best course of action.


Like when the americans justified the invasion of Iraq by falsely claiming they 
had weapons of mass destruction ?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is the Internet mindset antithetical to spiritual life?

[Ravi Chivukula]

Dear Susan,

I know you are a very busy person with dogs to walk, kids to care, friends, 
movies but I have the following list of the bottom of the can, low-vibe, 
slimeball, idiotic retards on this list who continue to be enthralled, enticed 
and entertained by the troika of the King Baby Barry, the mediocre reviewer, 
Vaj, the liar and HH Curtis, the messiah of the intellectual dishonesty.

Steve, Rick, Barry 2, Susan, Sal..

Please help me keep this list updated and I apologize again if I missed any 
other obvious idiots.

Thanks for you support 

Love,
Ravi

On Dec 29, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

> Dear Susan,
> 
> Thank you so much. Yes I agree it's not enough that we only have cream if the 
> top, the intelligent, creative, emotionally healthy people like the Judy's, 
> the Jim's, the Bob's, the Robin's, the Rory's, the Denise's, the Obba's.
> 
> We also need the mediocre, the dumb, the retarded who time and again show 
> their strong commitment to their lives in cocoons. I'm glad you have taken a 
> strong moral stand and your unconditional support so the troika of the King 
> Baby Barry, the mediocre reviewer, Vaj, the liar and HH Curtis, the messiah 
> of the intellectual dishonesty continue to entertain, enthrall and entice the 
> bottom of the can, the low vibe, slime ball, idiotic, retarded of this list.
> 
> I apologize for not mentioning you in this list.
> 
> Love,
> Ravi
> 
> On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:21 AM, "Susan"  wrote:
> 
>> Lately, I skip about 99 percent of the posts on FFL. I get that a few people 
>> are delighted to have an audience, anyone who will engage. I avoid them 
>> entirely. But for me the even bigger question is: why does anyone want to be 
>> that audience? Maybe I missed something along the way since I don't read 
>> these attention-seekers at all - not since reading their first few posts. 
>> Don't they and all the people who keep replying to them and stirring the pot 
>> have work to do, books to read, walks to take, dogs to walk, movies to see, 
>> friends and/or family to spend time with, dishes to wash, food to cook, 
>> meals to eat, even meditation and yoga to practice? You can analyze it well, 
>> but I mean, seriously, who cares for these people, and their audience? Who 
>> does the daily living stuff for them? How do they earn a living, live and 
>> then spend all this time posting about, about mind-jumbling uninteresting 
>> concepts. Just saying I noticed the same things as you did here and it is 
>> interesting to hear that FFL is not the only place seeing the same Wonder 
>> what the next stage will be
>> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> >
>> > I've been wondering about this lately, because so many forums I'm a part
>> > of have been invaded by hordes of what I tend to call ( for want of the
>> > proper Sanskrit term :-) attention sluts. You know the type of person
>> > I'm talking about. Insecure, not many real-life friends, and seriously
>> > in need of attention. Any kind of attention will seemingly do. So the
>> > attention sluts tend to post a LOT, eating up bandwidth and
>> > automatically rendering themselves uninteresting to those who don't
>> > gravitate to Chatty Cathy types.
>> > 
>> > If no one replies or gives them the attention they seek, the attention
>> > sluts tend to practice one or more of three primary strategies. The
>> > first is to talk about themselves, pretty much non-stop, as if telling
>> > everyone how great they are will make these people think they're great.
>> > This tactic tends not to work on spiritual forums, because it's rightly
>> > interpreted as runaway ego, and who wants to talk with a runaway ego?
>> > 
>> > The second tactic is to praise other posters, or "love bomb" them,
>> > hoping that they too are insecure enough and in need of attention enough
>> > to reply to the flattery. The idea seems to be that if the attention
>> > slut can get a person to focus on them by flattering them, maybe they'll
>> > *keep* focusing on them. In my experience, this tactic only tends to
>> > work on other attention sluts, and tends to result in the formation of
>> > cliques, in which groups of attention sluts chat mainly with each other.
>> > 
>> > The third tactic, when the above two have failed, is to try to insult or
>> > badger or abuse other people into replying. After all, the only thing
>> > that's important to an attention slut is the *attention*. It doesn't
>> > matter what form that attention takes. Again, this tends to work only on
>> > those who are so ungrounded in their own self as to feel the need to
>> > "defend" that self when it's insulted.
>> > 
>> > The thing I see lately on multiple forums lately is that attention
>> > slut-itis is rampant, almost epidemic. I blame this on the emergence of
>> > social media like Twitter and Facebook, in which the entire game is
>> > about how much attention you can attract. "How many followers do you
>> > have?"
>> > 
>> > 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is the Internet mindset antithetical to spiritual life?

[Ravi Chivukula]

Dear Susan,

Thank you so much. Yes I agree it's not enough that we only have cream if the 
top, the intelligent, creative, emotionally healthy people like the Judy's, the 
Jim's, the Bob's, the Robin's, the Rory's, the Denise's, the Obba's.

We also need the mediocre, the dumb, the retarded who time and again show their 
strong commitment to their lives in cocoons. I'm glad you have taken a strong 
moral stand and your unconditional support so the troika of the King Baby 
Barry, the mediocre reviewer, Vaj, the liar and HH Curtis, the messiah of the 
intellectual dishonesty continue to entertain, enthrall and entice the bottom 
of the can, the low vibe, slime ball, idiotic, retarded of this list.

I apologize for not mentioning you in this list.

Love,
Ravi

On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:21 AM, "Susan"  wrote:

> Lately, I skip about 99 percent of the posts on FFL. I get that a few people 
> are delighted to have an audience, anyone who will engage. I avoid them 
> entirely. But for me the even bigger question is: why does anyone want to be 
> that audience? Maybe I missed something along the way since I don't read 
> these attention-seekers at all - not since reading their first few posts. 
> Don't they and all the people who keep replying to them and stirring the pot 
> have work to do, books to read, walks to take, dogs to walk, movies to see, 
> friends and/or family to spend time with, dishes to wash, food to cook, meals 
> to eat, even meditation and yoga to practice? You can analyze it well, but I 
> mean, seriously, who cares for these people, and their audience? Who does the 
> daily living stuff for them? How do they earn a living, live and then spend 
> all this time posting about, about mind-jumbling uninteresting concepts. Just 
> saying I noticed the same things as you did here and it is interesting to 
> hear that FFL is not the only place seeing the same Wonder what the next 
> stage will be
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > I've been wondering about this lately, because so many forums I'm a part
> > of have been invaded by hordes of what I tend to call ( for want of the
> > proper Sanskrit term :-) attention sluts. You know the type of person
> > I'm talking about. Insecure, not many real-life friends, and seriously
> > in need of attention. Any kind of attention will seemingly do. So the
> > attention sluts tend to post a LOT, eating up bandwidth and
> > automatically rendering themselves uninteresting to those who don't
> > gravitate to Chatty Cathy types.
> > 
> > If no one replies or gives them the attention they seek, the attention
> > sluts tend to practice one or more of three primary strategies. The
> > first is to talk about themselves, pretty much non-stop, as if telling
> > everyone how great they are will make these people think they're great.
> > This tactic tends not to work on spiritual forums, because it's rightly
> > interpreted as runaway ego, and who wants to talk with a runaway ego?
> > 
> > The second tactic is to praise other posters, or "love bomb" them,
> > hoping that they too are insecure enough and in need of attention enough
> > to reply to the flattery. The idea seems to be that if the attention
> > slut can get a person to focus on them by flattering them, maybe they'll
> > *keep* focusing on them. In my experience, this tactic only tends to
> > work on other attention sluts, and tends to result in the formation of
> > cliques, in which groups of attention sluts chat mainly with each other.
> > 
> > The third tactic, when the above two have failed, is to try to insult or
> > badger or abuse other people into replying. After all, the only thing
> > that's important to an attention slut is the *attention*. It doesn't
> > matter what form that attention takes. Again, this tends to work only on
> > those who are so ungrounded in their own self as to feel the need to
> > "defend" that self when it's insulted.
> > 
> > The thing I see lately on multiple forums lately is that attention
> > slut-itis is rampant, almost epidemic. I blame this on the emergence of
> > social media like Twitter and Facebook, in which the entire game is
> > about how much attention you can attract. "How many followers do you
> > have?"
> > 
> > https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/408664_283013468313\
> > 9_1552286745_2594704_2120755496_n.jpg
> > 
> >  > 39_1552286745_2594704_2120755496_n.jpg>
> > But if you think about it, aren't compulsive attempts to get other
> > people to focus their attention on you kinda...uh...un-spiritual in the
> > first place? On pretty much all of the forums in question, those voices
> > that are most universally appreciated and held in some regard belong to
> > people who don't utilize any of the three strategies above. Instead,
> > they tend to talk only when they have something to say, and reply only
> > to people who have actually s

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[John]

Spying against our perceived enemies can be justified.  The US can monitor the 
military actitivities going on in Iran to determine what would be their next 
move.  The information gathered is necessary for the president of the US to 
decide the best course of action.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> Here are a few of our toys.
> 
> http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2011/1228/An-accelerating-covert-war-with-Iran-Could-it-spiral-into-military-action
> 
> 
> I just wonder who of our candidates has any ability whatsoever to manage this 
> on the foreign front.  I always come back to who I see as our only choice, 
> flawed or not, and that would be our current president/administration.
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > From: Bhairitu 
> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:28 PM
> >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat
> > 
> >
> >  
> >On 12/28/2011 05:39 PM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote:
> >>
>  Here we go again.  Who will back
>  down to avoid another war?
>  Conventional wisdom would say that
>  Iran should tow the line.  But then
>  again who knows what they'll do.
> 
> 
> >> Bhairitu:
> >>> The militerrorists want to play with
> >>> the new toys they got for Christmas.
> >>>
> >> The Iranian 'militerrorists' probably
> >> don't celebrate Christmas by giving
> >> each other toys like you do.
> >
> >I wasn't speaking about Iranian "militerrorists", Mr. Numbnuts.
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> seventhray1:
> > We just paid taxes of over $4,000.00 on our 
> > house in our metropolitan are.  Our home is 
> > nothing fantastic, but is reasonably nice.
> >
> > If  tea party people are objecting to what I 
> > consider to be these excesses, then I am 
> > sympathetic to their cause.
> >
> Property taxes should be abolished. It is an 
> unfair system. If I were elected, I would author
> a bill that would replace all school district 
> property taxes and wipe out  the taxing ability 
> of local school boards. 
> 
> It's just outrageous, these property taxes! I
> don't even have any children attending public
> schools!
> 
> In my government package, I would propose to 
> elimnate all public schools and the federal 
> department of education. The government has no 
> business running schools. The current system 
> of federal-run schools is a failure and is 
> costing voters and homeowners a bundle!
>

You're criticizing a long tradition of public education in the USA.  There have 
been many outstanding leaders and presidents who were educated from the public 
school system.  Abandoning the system would deprive young people with talent 
but with no financial support to get a better education, which is the 
foundation of the democratic government in the USA.

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 12/28/2011 10:08 AM, John wrote:
> > Here we go again.  Who will back down to avoid another war?  Conventional 
> > wisdom would say that Iran should tow the line.  But then again who knows 
> > what they'll do.
> >
> >
> > http://news.yahoo.com/u-fifth-fleet-says-wont-allow-disruption-hormuz-150427092.html
> 
> The militerrorists want to play with the new toys they got for Christmas.
>

It appears that the Iranians are literally testing out the waters to see how 
far they can go with their power expansion.  If they are successful, they could 
eventually play a larger role in Iraqi politics.  Also, they are rattling their 
sabers for capturing the US stealth drone that was spying on their air space.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[Bhairitu]

This is what we get when the best and brightest don't run for public 
office nor take military careers.  Some go into business but many bright 
people are perfectly happy to earn a modest income and enjoy life.  So 
we get crooks and idiots running government and the military.  That's a 
scenario likely to lead to the extinction of humanity unless we call a 
time out to fix things.  But that means the establishment has to give up 
control and they won't allow that.

On 12/29/2011 12:00 AM, Emily Reyn wrote:
> Here are a few of our toys.
>
> http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2011/1228/An-accelerating-covert-war-with-Iran-Could-it-spiral-into-military-action
>
>
> I just wonder who of our candidates has any ability whatsoever to manage this 
> on the foreign front.  I always come back to who I see as our only choice, 
> flawed or not, and that would be our current president/administration.
>
>
>
>> 
>> From: Bhairitu
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat
>>
>>
>>   
>> On 12/28/2011 05:39 PM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote:
> Here we go again.  Who will back
> down to avoid another war?
> Conventional wisdom would say that
> Iran should tow the line.  But then
> again who knows what they'll do.
>
>
>>> Bhairitu:
 The militerrorists want to play with
 the new toys they got for Christmas.

>>> The Iranian 'militerrorists' probably
>>> don't celebrate Christmas by giving
>>> each other toys like you do.
>> I wasn't speaking about Iranian "militerrorists", Mr. Numbnuts.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[Bhairitu]

On 12/29/2011 05:37 AM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote:
>
> Here we go again.  Who will back
> down to avoid another war?
> Conventional wisdom would say that
> Iran should tow the line.  But then
> again who knows what they'll do.
>
 The militerrorists want to play with
 the new toys they got for Christmas.

>>> The Iranian 'militerrorists' probably
>>> don't celebrate Christmas by giving
>>> each other toys like you do.
>>>
> Bhairitu:
>> I wasn't speaking about Iranian "militerrorists",
>> Mr. Numbnuts.
>>
> So, you're thinking that the U.S. is the
> "militerrorist" by wanting to keep the Straight
> open? If so, then you're more mixed up than I
> originally thought!
>
> It's the Iranian "militerrorists" that are
> threatening to close the straight, Mr. Numbnuts.
>
> You sound like you'd like to be paying $10.00 a
> gallon for your gasoline! Go figure. How far do
> you think you can walk with a pack of groceries
> on your back?
>
> "The U.S. Fifth Fleet said on Wednesday it would
> not allow any disruption of traffic in the Strait
> of Hormuz, after Iran threatened to stop ships
> moving through the world's most important oil
> route..."
>
> 'U.S. Fifth Fleet says won't allow Hormuz disruption'
> Reuters, December 28, 2011
> http://tinyurl.com/c3xjusc

So these wars of empire are about pirating the resources of others?  
Thought so.  So warmongers like Willy must be wearing an eyepatch.

Maybe if we didn't run around trying to steal other people's property 
then they wouldn't be mad at us and engage in trade to sell us those 
resources.  Sorta like what happened with Viet Nam after we stopped 
interfering in their country.  They are now one of our trade partners.  
Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[Vaj]

On Dec 29, 2011, at 12:02 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:

Zoroastrianism! DAMN I didn't see that one coming! They don't even  
have a crystal cathedral or a presence on basic cable or a hot  
celeb spokesperson or anything. WTF!



Well, not since Freddie Mercury died.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[Bhairitu]

On 12/28/2011 07:42 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> Not really related.  But I'm thinking about my sister in law who was a
> puplic school teacher for 5 years, and was on disability for two of
> those years.  As of the first of the year, she will collect $550.00 for
> the rest of her life.  She is 65.  Somewhat a hypochondriac she had
> multiple procedures during those five years.
>
> I'm thinking about a lady I knew who was in sales for a plastics
> company.  She went on disability for stress about 25 years ago and
> collects a monthly check in excess of $2,000.00.  She also owns rental
> property and has a  primary residence.

Given there is only enough work for populace to work 1/3 of the year 
some adjustments need to be made.  The problem is the establishment 
wants it in their terms not ours.  Fuck 'em I say and so did Bucky 
Fuller over 50 years ago.

> And we are not like Greece?

Greece tried to be like us and our banksters sold them toxic assets.

> We just paid taxes of over $4,000.00 on our house in our metropolitan
> are.  Our home is nothing fantastic, but is reasonably nice.

That's what I pay in taxes but then I live in the Bay Area.  The county 
does offer to re-assess though.  I also live in what was once John 
Muir's orchard and have crickets chirping summer evenings.

> If  tea party people are objecting to what I consider to be these
> excesses, then I am sympathetic to their cause.

The Tea Party people are one dimensional.  They only see part of the 
problem and foolishly believe that the Republicans can solve it for 
them.  Sure things are out of balance but that is the chaos that our 
beloved capitalism creates.


>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> On 12/28/2011 05:39 PM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote:
> Here we go again. Who will back
> down to avoid another war?
> Conventional wisdom would say that
> Iran should tow the line. But then
> again who knows what they'll do.
>
>
>>> Bhairitu:
 The militerrorists want to play with
 the new toys they got for Christmas.

>>> The Iranian 'militerrorists' probably
>>> don't celebrate Christmas by giving
>>> each other toys like you do.
>> I wasn't speaking about Iranian "militerrorists", Mr. Numbnuts.
>>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[curtisdeltablues]

Great stuff!  And I think I may have found the quote for my tombstone:

"an atheist and a reviler of the Veda!"

I figure this hedges my bet a bit.  If it turns out that the Christians are 
right, then I will get some brownie points for bashing the Vedas enough to get 
myself into purgatory.

Then once I am on the inside, I will use my philosophical Macgyver skills to 
hack my way into heaven using a liberal dose of ass kissing duct taped together 
with a piece of wire I unwrapped from a broom to form an epistemological prison 
shank. (Gotta figure the Christan afterlife is chock full of cleaning supplies!)

As soon as I get into heaven I will start love bombing Jesus to get close,(he 
eats that up, just go to any church service). At the same time I'll be dripping 
poison into the ears of Big Daddy himself about how Jesus seems to be resting 
on his laurels lately and hasn't done a thing to promote the cause since his 
resurrection except influence a few football games which only helps bookies.  
It won't be long till Mr. Unmoved Mover is asking ME for advice on how to deal 
with the infidels.

That's when the real fun begins, me with the infinite power of the creator 
himself wrapped around my little finger.

I won't tip my hand by describing what we are going to do (popping the domes 
like bubble wrap just for the sound) but certain posters around here might want 
to start doing a bit of love bombing in advance of my future Godly ungodly 
powers.  And there is nothing that can thwart my plan unless I get to heaven 
and it turns to be:

Zoroastrianism! DAMN I didn't see that one coming!  They don't even have a 
crystal cathedral or a presence on basic cable or a hot celeb spokesperson or 
anything.  WTF!

God is such a douchebag, NO ONE saw that coming.  He could have at least 
given us a hint down here.  You know a tortured martyred spokesperson would 
have been nice, or a tradition of chanting mind numbing phrases in a dead 
language about cartoon characters at least?

Sonovabitch!  Even Madonna was wrong with her red string bracelets and even 
Brittney Spears was into that Kabbalah show for around a minute before she 
shaved off all her hair for us. It would have been a nice heads-up if under her 
golden locks was a freak'n birthmark tattoo that said: "ZOROASTRIANISM is the 
right answer, use it or lose it." Would that have really been so hard God?  
With a cranium that size you could have tattooed a whole scripture. And we were 
ALL watching!

Or how about a blimp drive-by over the Super Bowl... was that out of your 
budget Mr. 
I'm-a-little-short-this-week-so-we're-gunna-have-to-pass-the-collection-plate-at-church-again.

But noo, it had to be those freaks that wear the...uh...you know...they are 
always...well you see them...uh...

Damn, I don't even know anything about them, that's the point!

Curses, foiled again.  But just you wait God, I'm working a deal right now with 
somebody from the extreme Southern direction who has floated a few interesting 
proposals my way. I don't want to drop any names, but I think you'll recognize 
him even though he has gotten considerably tanner since you saw him last. And 
although you may be the lord of the afterlife he is the prince of this world.

I am speaking, of course, about Melania's husband...





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 29, 2011, at 10:33 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> 
> > This excellent quote really strikes at the heart of Maharishi's  
> > intellectual arrogance and fantasy.
> >
> > It illustrates a fascinating quality of our brains to misjudge the  
> > value of hindsight. Looking forward you can't predict 9-11, but  
> > once it has happened it all looks so obvious how it got there, that  
> > it seems ridiculous that we missed the "signs". But its surety is  
> > an illusion that we are vulnerable to. We forget how complex the  
> > data is looking forward and how impossible it is to predict in a  
> > advance in the deluge of date.
> >
> > Turning back to our Vedic predictors, we have a metaphorical  
> > language and once we know the scientific principles, may give more  
> > of an illusion than is warranted that they knew about what we know  
> > today.
> >
> > This is not to demean the tremendous contributions to science and  
> > culture, which may have included facts like the true planetary  
> > relationships ahead of these discoveries in the West. The point  
> > that in the West we have a triumphalist attitude and a lack of  
> > understanding of the true contributions of the East is well taken.
> >
> > But lets not get carried away with how much detail they actually  
> > had nailed down. We actually have learned a few things since Vedic  
> > times, and our application of the scientific method, where  
> > appropriate, had advanced our clarity of understanding our world  
> > tremendously. It is one thing to say Surya carries the sun across  
> > the sky in a chariot, it is another to m

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[Vaj]

On Dec 29, 2011, at 10:33 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:

This excellent quote really strikes at the heart of Maharishi's  
intellectual arrogance and fantasy.


It illustrates a fascinating quality of our brains to misjudge the  
value of hindsight. Looking forward you can't predict 9-11, but  
once it has happened it all looks so obvious how it got there, that  
it seems ridiculous that we missed the "signs". But its surety is  
an illusion that we are vulnerable to. We forget how complex the  
data is looking forward and how impossible it is to predict in a  
advance in the deluge of date.


Turning back to our Vedic predictors, we have a metaphorical  
language and once we know the scientific principles, may give more  
of an illusion than is warranted that they knew about what we know  
today.


This is not to demean the tremendous contributions to science and  
culture, which may have included facts like the true planetary  
relationships ahead of these discoveries in the West. The point  
that in the West we have a triumphalist attitude and a lack of  
understanding of the true contributions of the East is well taken.


But lets not get carried away with how much detail they actually  
had nailed down. We actually have learned a few things since Vedic  
times, and our application of the scientific method, where  
appropriate, had advanced our clarity of understanding our world  
tremendously. It is one thing to say Surya carries the sun across  
the sky in a chariot, it is another to make a solar panel to power  
a TV that can play the Jersey Shore. (Oh is Snooky drunk AGAIN!)



Well such freethinking is un-Vedic!

Manusmriti, described as the "pivotal text of the dominant form of  
Hinduism" (Doniger and Smith 1991, xvii) declared free thinking one  
of the cardinal sins to be punished by ex-communication: "The Veda  
[shruti] should be known as revealed canon, and the teachings of  
religion [smriti] as the tradition. These two are indisputable in all  
matters, for religion arose out of the two of them. Any twice-born  
man who disregards these two roots of religion, because he relies on  
the teachings of logic, should be excommunicated by virtuous people  
as an atheist and a reviler of the Veda" (Manusmriti, chapter 2,  
verse 10 - 11, emphasis added, see Doniger and Smith 1991). 


Not exactly a ringing endorsement of scientific temper! (For even  
more radical proscriptions against questioning the Vedas, as laid out  
in some of the most revered texts, see Chattopadhyaya 1976, 191 - 194,)


The law book of Manu and the ethos it prescribed had already become  
an established source of authority by the early centuries of the  
Common Era. Theories were rejected or accepted depending upon their  
agreement with tradition. The heterodox schools which did not accept  
the authority of the Vedas were either reduced to a caricature  
(especially the materialist schools of Charvaka and Lokayata), or  
absorbed into the Vedic tradition (as with the originally  
materialistic school of Sankhya which was assimilated into the  
Upanishadic teachings in the Bhagavad Gita, and as with the  
Brahminization of the teachings of Buddha). Those who sing praises of  
Hindu hospitability to reason and innovation turn a blind eye to the  
contrary historical evidence described famously by Alberuni (973 —  
1048 CE, the renowned Islamic mathematician, astronomer, and  
political philosopher who has left behind a vivid record of his  
sojourn in India in the early years of the eleventh century. Alberuni  
describes how the most eminent Indian astronomers like Varahamihira  
(sixth century CE) and Brahmagupta (seventh or eighth century CE),  
knowing fully well the cause of lunar and solar eclipses, bowed to  
tradition and accepted the myth of a demon's head swallowing the sun  
or the moon.


These are well-known facts of Indian intellectual history. The myth  
of critical thinking in the dominant Hindu tradition can only be  
maintained by ignoring these facts.


(ibidem)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is the Internet mindset antithetical to spiritual life?

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

Susan:
> ...why does anyone want to be that audience? 
>
It's simple, Susan: 

Most people just feel better when they have 
someone to talk to. Especially so, if you're 
an expatriot or someone living out in the 
back of beyond on the street called erewhon.

> Don't they and all the people who keep 
> replying to them and stirring the pot have 
> work to do... 
>
Obviously some informants are connected 24x7 
and on their computers all the time, getting 
FFL posts through their email. That's what 
they do. It's just natural for them, I suppose, 
and that's their work. 

For example, I'm on Craig's List and on eBay - 
so everytime I hear a computer sound, it's 
like $$$ in the bank. 

Thanks for responding. We need more balanced 
people like you on this forum!

This great post from Barry:

"Life as an expatriate is interesting. You 
live in a foreign country, among people whose 
language, if you are as lazy as I am, you do 
not speak well enough to express even a 
fraction of the things that are on your mind.  

You live among people whose customs are all 
different from those you grew up with.  They 
eat different foods, have different forms of 
social interaction, hold different — sometimes 
*very* different — things sacred than you do.  

And, as an American living in their country, 
you try to learn from these people you meet, 
try to add to the sum of your knowledge and 
expand your own view of planet Earth to
encompass theirs.

But sometimes — I'll be honest — it gets to 
you."

Read more:

Subject: Mr. Natural Is Alive and Well and Living in France
Author: Uncle Tantra
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: October 28, 2003
http://tinyurl.com/3lowqs5

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[curtisdeltablues]

This excellent quote really strikes at the heart of Maharishi's intellectual 
arrogance and fantasy.

It illustrates a fascinating quality of our brains to misjudge the value of 
hindsight.  Looking forward you can't predict 9-11, but once it has happened it 
all looks so obvious how it got there, that it seems ridiculous that we missed 
the "signs". But its surety is an illusion that we are vulnerable to.  We 
forget how complex the data is looking forward and how impossible it is to 
predict in a advance in the deluge of date.

Turning back to our Vedic predictors, we have a metaphorical language and once 
we know the scientific principles, may give more of an illusion than is 
warranted that they knew about what we know today. 

This is not to demean the tremendous contributions to science and culture, 
which may have included facts like the true planetary relationships ahead of 
these discoveries in the West. The point that in the West we have a 
triumphalist attitude and a lack of understanding of the true contributions of 
the East is well taken.

But lets not get carried away with how much detail they actually had nailed 
down.  We actually have learned a few things since Vedic times, and our 
application of the scientific method, where appropriate, had advanced our 
clarity of understanding our world tremendously. It is one thing to say Surya 
carries the sun across the sky in a chariot, it is another to make a solar 
panel to power a TV that can play the Jersey Shore. (Oh is Snooky drunk AGAIN!)





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 29, 2011, at 9:46 AM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote:
> 
> > Ravi Chivukula:
> > > And then remember Indians made great progress
> > > in to the Science of the inner, of these
> > > mysterious, unknown energies...
> > >
> > It's not just the inner aspect that the ancient
> > Indians made great progress in.
> >
> > Don't forget that the ancient Indians had
> > discovered the ratio of pi, the circumference to
> > diameter ratio from paridhi vyas anupati, over
> > a thousand years before Pythagoras.
> >
> > Science historians have long agreed that the
> > international numeral system (1, 2, 3,), based
> > on the concepts of decimal placement and zero
> > were invented by the ancient Indians, as well as
> > the decimal system itself.
> >
> > Now, it has been discovered that the ancient
> > Indus Civilization inhabitants may have invented
> > the alphabet!
> 
> Here is a partial, and somewhat dated list of Hindutva claims for  
> priority in scientific discoveries taken from D. B. Thengadi's much- 
> cited 1983 lecture, "Modernization without Westernization": 
> 
> 1. The well-known theorem of Pythagoras who was described by King  
> Clement of Alexandria as "pupil of a Brahmin."
> 2. The atomic theory of the West which was anticipated thousands of  
> years ago by pramanuvad of Kanaad. 
> 3. Dialecticism of Hegel and Marx, which was first envisaged and  
> systematized by Kapil Muni.
> 4. The fact that it is the earth that moves around the sun... which  
> was proved by Copernicus, and more than a thousand years before  
> Copernicus by Arya Bhatta, 
> 5. Materialism of Democratus (sic), of which the first ever sutra was  
> written by Brushaspati centuries back...
> 6. Scientific concepts of space and time explained by Einstein and  
> enunciated first by Vedanta philosophers.
> 7. The scientific definition of matter given for the first time to  
> modern science by Heisenberg and to Hindus by Patanjali. 
> 8. The relativity of space and time, the unity of the universe, a  
> space-time con- tinuum, established in ancient times by Vedantic  
> thinkers and proved in this century by Einstein. 
> 9. The process of scientific philosophical thinking initiated by  
> Parmesthi Prajapitha of "nassdeeya suktha" and climaxed by Einstein.  
> (Thengadi 1983, 5)
> 
> In addition, just about every "miracle" like the Ganesha idols  
> "drinking" milk, every age-old ritual (fire sacrifices, or yagna),  
> and Sanskrit chant (e.g., the Gayatri mantra) and every superstition  
> like fire ceremonies for rains and vastu shastra (architecture that  
> tries to align built structures with cosmic energy, the Indian equiv-  
> alent of the Chinese Feng Shui) has been declared to be  
> "scientific."' Just about every verse of the Vedas, which has  
> anything even remotely to do with elements of nature, whether  
> literally or metaphorically, has been declared to contain  
> "scientific" facts, including the speed of light, the distance of the  
> sun from the earth, and other such cosmological constants —  
> corresponding to the last decimal point! — to the values obtained by  
> modern physics. It has been claimed, for example, that the Rig Veda  
> had discovered the Newtonian laws of gravity as well as Einstein's  
> theory of relativity and calculated the velocity of light, discovered  
> cosmic rays, so on and so forth. Nearly all impo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Prometheus trailer

[seventhray1]

Sounds like the field is being plowed.  Pre-emergent pesticide being
applied.  And the first seeds are  being planted.  T-minus 2 days and
counting.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
 wrote:
>
> Dear Bob,
> "This next one is for Robin and Ravi; without you two, this place just
> isn't the same. "
> What can I say - FFL has been long dominated by the troika of Barry,
the
> mediocre reviewer, Vaj, the liar and Curtis, the messiah of
intellectual
> dishonesty posing as great writers, great minds on this list - they
have
> always been able to entice, enthrall and entertain the retards of this
> list such as Steve, Barry2, Rick and the likes..LOL..that is until you
> came on board. Your posts are always so creative, so full of love,
> hitting these torch bearers of mediocrity pretty hard. Coupled with
your
> genuine love, humility, and understanding of spirituality - that is
> indeed a very rare combination.
> I might not be able to comment on every single post of yours, but then
> our relationship is such and I'm in awe of your talents :-)
> Love,Ravi
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:
> >
> > below
> > 
> > From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 8:03:12 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Prometheus trailer
> >
> > Ridley Scott is a sometimes great filmmaker, but he
> > got his start in advertising, so he is a genius at
> > trailers. Here's his first trailer for the upcoming
> > prequel to "Alien," which manages to entice without
> > giving away any of the plot:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU
> >
> > Turn it up to 720p and go full screen. The trailer
> > is so good, there is actually a trailer for the
> > trailer.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch_hhDLtrFE
> >
> > Check out the credits. Noomi Rapace (the original
> > Girl With A Dragon Tattoo), Charlize Theron, Michael
> > Fassbender, Guy Pearce, and Idris Elba. One to look
> > forward to.
> >
> >
> > ***BP:
> >
> >
> >
> > Barry,
> >
> > Happy New Year Bro, hope that *hot* date didn't disappoint. I
> > apologize for my neglect over the holidays, but I'm back and
> enthusiastically
> > ready to follow you "where no poster has gone before".
> >
> > I trust you know how much some of us are rooting for you to
> > make it as a film reviewer. I think its completely understandable
for
> you to be
> > practicing to be a film reviewer on a forum about spirituality, that
> is named
> > for a town, where many people practice a technique you stopped
> practicing
> > nearly *40* years ago. I also believe the voice you employ, which
> seems to
> > assume there are no televisions in America, may have legs. For this
> reason I
> > think it's important, whenever we can, that we lend you a hand with
> the reviews:
> >
> > "The forum that reviews together, stays together", sort of thing.
> >
> > For starters, mentioning that Ridley Scott got his start in
> > "advertising" might be considered one of those "duh"
> > moments since most current Hollywood directors have made television
> commercials
> > at one time or another during their careers. Your readers might find
> it more
> > interesting if you mentioned RS actually got his start as a
> *production
> > designer* in the early 60's, a good ten years before his television
> commercial
> > period, and that the quality of the *production design*, in his
films,
> is what
> > sets his work apart from many of his peers.
> >
> > You could also mention that this was more than demonstrated
> > in "Blade Runner" (many production designers consider this an
> > immersion course in production design) and "Alien", where Scott's
> > artistic sense as a *production designer* lead to his brilliant
> decision to attach
> > Swiss graphic artist HR GIGER to the Alien project, whose work, in
> many ways,
> > made the film so visually exceptional. You might also point out that
> prior to
> > Giger's work, on Alien, most people had never considered the fusion
of
> organisms,
> > and organic materials with industrial machinery, and technology;
> today, because
> > of Alien, and the many movies that copied it's pioneering work, the
> public take
> > this sort of visual fantasy for granted.Â
> >
> > You could also point out that Scott has been quoted as
> > saying "Texas Chainsaw Massacre", not "Star Wars" was the
> > antecedent he referenced in making Alien. It might also be of
interest
> > to mention the script was kicked around Hollywood for nearly ten
> years, and almost
> > everything from the original story changed except for the chest
> bursting scene
> > which kept the Producers trying to green light it. .
> >
> > Scott was a British unknown when he was invited to Hollywood
> > and offered the project with a $2 million budget, which obviously
> (good to
> > throw in a few of these in your style of review) in 1978, was not
the
> micro
> > budget it is today. Afte

[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[curtisdeltablues]

You both have hit on the troubling thing here.  It is basically a strategy of 
of a closed system to any learning or feedback.  Combined with pugnaciousness, 
and an belief that when he "wins" it is only from the perspective of the person 
he has "humiliated" (does anyone here think this has ever happened?) and that 
he feels their pain so it is all OK, and finally that it is coming from the 
level of the creator of the universe, we have a perfect anti-social storm. 

This belief system is not serving you Ravi.  It is a thin excuse for loutish 
behavior. No one is buying it but you.

Ravi raving:
"Curtis, the messiah of intellectual dishonesty "

This is unfair.  I challenge you to provide a single thing I have written that 
is dishonest, you know, intellectually.

Ravi, the spiritual perspective you are seeing yourself through is not serving 
you.  It is misleading you as you mislead yourself.  I don't doubt that you 
have special talents and a creative enough mind to accomplish all sorts of 
things in your life.  But the idea that you are in a special state of mind that 
gives you insight into the mind of the creator of the universe, giving you 
special dispensation to act like a dick to people is dangerously delusional.  
It will cause you much unhappiness in your life and will serve as an impediment 
to your having successful relationships.

If your so called friends here really cared about your welfare, they would be 
sending you this message form someone you might have a chance of hearing it 
from.

 




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> Denise, you are one awesome lady.  Always working to bring balance to
> situation.  This is why I am such a fan of the female energy.  Really,
> you leave me kind of speechless. (-:
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank god, DEFCON 1 has never been called for.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@
> > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:58 PM
> > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to
> Ravi Chivukula
> > >
> > >
> > >Â
> > >DEFCON 2
> > >
> > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks Denise. Well because if the other throws his shit at me I
> sometimes double down and throw it back at them.
> > >>
> > >> Again humiliation from their perspective. Humiliation is only a
> quality of the relative not of the essence. I'm not that egotistic to
> think I can ever taint, or humiliate the truth. Well the truth is
> essentially untouched like I say.
> > >>
> > >> I feel I only attack their beliefs, their personality, together
> with socially, morally inappropriate curse words thrown to complete the
> shock treatment but for the other it's a humiliation because they are so
> identified with it.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:43 PM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > AlrightI might buy most of this.I am "taken in" by
> you...you have pushed me and I appreciate that. But, while I do
> understand the concept that you might feel the other persons pain after
> humiliating themwhy choose that tactic? It's not clear to me how
> humiliation really serves anyone except yourself possibly.
> > >> > <
> > >> > P.S. I might be close on my posts. When the post count goes
> out...what is UT...how do I translate that to Pacific Time?
> > >> >
> > >> > From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> > >> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:37 PM
> > >> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance]
> Letter to Ravi Chivukula
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > And Denise, yes Winner from the perspective of the one who wanted
> to challenge me. Now having humiliated this person, I feel that person's
> emotions - hurt, pain, anger, because they are another part of me, how
> can I not feel hurt?
> > >> >
> > >> > But I am able to quickly internalize and transform these
> emotions, both mine and the other. I feel joy and blissful very quickly.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> "
> > >> >> Hm..the "winner" huh. Your statement here is a bit
> convoluted. If you have no agenda, then why do you have to "win." You
> make some assumptions here about "the person who approaches you.".."
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Ravi - Approaches with an agenda that is, as in to confront me.
> Winner only from their perspective. I don't care either way, but the
> choice to play or withdraw with my playful humor or entice them with my
> love is entirely up to my intuition.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "Yes"if you so desire" you can use whatever tactics please
> you."you remain untouched." This is your reality then? "
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Yes. Since I'm ever alert I just adapt sea

[FairfieldLife] Re: Prometheus trailer

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
 wrote:
I'm just going to avoid lot of posters a
> technique straight out of King Baby Barry's manual of childish
> interactions, just like Steve who has been obsessing over me today - I
> will just ignore him, because I have said enough, I have humiliated
him
> enough. But he seems to be a perverse masochist, then again that kind
of
> attachment to a simple yogi like me can never be a bad thing.
> So I will let him bark at elephants, chase cars, run around in circles
> chasing his tail, be like the attention seeking child that he wants to
> be. It's actually a good thing !!!
>
That's what I would recommend Ravi.  Just ignore me, if you can.  After
a while I may go away, at least as far as you are concerned.  But
unfortunately we have seen you reboot like this before, and it's usually
just a matter of time, before all the old habits come to the fore. 
Existence is like that you know.  In the meantime, wishing you the best
of luck.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[Vaj]

On Dec 29, 2011, at 9:46 AM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote:


Ravi Chivukula:
> And then remember Indians made great progress
> in to the Science of the inner, of these
> mysterious, unknown energies...
>
It's not just the inner aspect that the ancient
Indians made great progress in.

Don't forget that the ancient Indians had
discovered the ratio of pi, the circumference to
diameter ratio from paridhi vyas anupati, over
a thousand years before Pythagoras.

Science historians have long agreed that the
international numeral system (1, 2, 3,), based
on the concepts of decimal placement and zero
were invented by the ancient Indians, as well as
the decimal system itself.

Now, it has been discovered that the ancient
Indus Civilization inhabitants may have invented
the alphabet!


Here is a partial, and somewhat dated list of Hindutva claims for  
priority in scientific discoveries taken from D. B. Thengadi's much- 
cited 1983 lecture, "Modernization without Westernization": 


1. The well-known theorem of Pythagoras who was described by King  
Clement of Alexandria as "pupil of a Brahmin."
2. The atomic theory of the West which was anticipated thousands of  
years ago by pramanuvad of Kanaad. 
3. Dialecticism of Hegel and Marx, which was first envisaged and  
systematized by Kapil Muni.
4. The fact that it is the earth that moves around the sun... which  
was proved by Copernicus, and more than a thousand years before  
Copernicus by Arya Bhatta, 
5. Materialism of Democratus (sic), of which the first ever sutra was  
written by Brushaspati centuries back...
6. Scientific concepts of space and time explained by Einstein and  
enunciated first by Vedanta philosophers.
7. The scientific definition of matter given for the first time to  
modern science by Heisenberg and to Hindus by Patanjali. 
8. The relativity of space and time, the unity of the universe, a  
space-time con- tinuum, established in ancient times by Vedantic  
thinkers and proved in this century by Einstein. 
9. The process of scientific philosophical thinking initiated by  
Parmesthi Prajapitha of "nassdeeya suktha" and climaxed by Einstein.  
(Thengadi 1983, 5)


In addition, just about every "miracle" like the Ganesha idols  
"drinking" milk, every age-old ritual (fire sacrifices, or yagna),  
and Sanskrit chant (e.g., the Gayatri mantra) and every superstition  
like fire ceremonies for rains and vastu shastra (architecture that  
tries to align built structures with cosmic energy, the Indian equiv-  
alent of the Chinese Feng Shui) has been declared to be  
"scientific."' Just about every verse of the Vedas, which has  
anything even remotely to do with elements of nature, whether  
literally or metaphorically, has been declared to contain  
"scientific" facts, including the speed of light, the distance of the  
sun from the earth, and other such cosmological constants —  
corresponding to the last decimal point! — to the values obtained by  
modern physics. It has been claimed, for example, that the Rig Veda  
had discovered the Newtonian laws of gravity as well as Einstein's  
theory of relativity and calculated the velocity of light, discovered  
cosmic rays, so on and so forth. Nearly all important discoveries of  
biological sciences are right there in the sacred books as well, from  
the discovery of photosynthesis, the knowledge of molecular receptors  
of Ayurvedic medicines, microscopy, even test-tube babies, etc, If  
the apologists are to be believed, the Vedas were actually  
engineering manuals, describing precisely those technological  
advances that have already taken place in the West, from airplanes to  
submarines, running on everything from solar power to nuclear energy.  
Everything of value that Western science and technology has produced,  
even if the "value" lies in warfare and destruction, is claimed to be  
presaged by Hindu holy men of a bygone era.


The examples in the above paragraph are taken from the recent output  
of only two think-tanks — the Dharam Hinduja Foundation with centers  
in India as well as in Columbia and Cambridge universities, and  
Prajna Bharati, a "national forum for thinkers with a nationalist  
orientation."' There are many academics, with degrees in sciences,  
many of them working in the United States and Canada — notably,  
Subhash Kak, David Frawley, N. S. Rajaram (now in India), Ram Mohan  
Roy, the 'Vedic creationists" associated with the Hare Krishna  
movement and the Ramakrishna Mission, the "unified field"  
"physicists" associated with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and the monks of  
Ramakrishna Mission's Vedanta centers around the world — who are  
publishing books claiming that Vedic literature is actually a record  
of scientific discoveries. Needless to say, all the discoveries are  
invariably exactly those that modern science made later on!


-Prophets Looking Backwards
Meera Nanda

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is the Internet mindset antithetical to spiritual life?

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

turquoiseb:
> > I've been wondering about this lately, because 
> > so many forums I'm a part of have been invaded 
> > by hordes of what I tend to call (for want of 
> > the proper Sanskrit term :-)
> >
> > pravidhA-raNDa: attention slut
> >
Whatever you do, Barry, DO NOT pay attention to any
forum parlor talk!!! Just don't go there anymore.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

Vaj:
> pravidhA-raNDa-Ananda: the bliss of being an attention 
> slut.
>
Speaking of 'attention sluts', you're what, at message 
number 32 for the week, while posting the least amount 
of usefull information on the mechanics of consciousness. 

LoL!!!

It is ignorance, propelled by the force of Karma, which 
is misery, in an endless cycle called Samsara.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

Ravi Chivukula:
> And then remember Indians made great progress 
> in to the Science of the inner, of these 
> mysterious, unknown energies...
>
It's not just the inner aspect that the ancient
Indians made great progress in.

Don't forget that the ancient Indians had 
discovered the ratio of pi, the circumference to 
diameter ratio from paridhi vyas anupati, over 
a thousand years before Pythagoras.

Science historians have long agreed that the 
international numeral system (1, 2, 3,), based 
on the concepts of decimal placement and zero 
were invented by the ancient Indians, as well as 
the decimal system itself. 

Now, it has been discovered that the ancient 
Indus Civilization inhabitants may have invented 
the alphabet! 

A short review: 

Science historians have long agreed that the 
international numeral system (1, 2, 3,), based 
on the concepts of decimal placement and zero 
were invented by the ancient Indians. 

Nevertheless, many Western publications continue 
to call the everyday numerals Arabic, even 
though Arab historians themselves have always 
acknowledged the numerals' South Asian origins. 

An even more fundamental contribution to human 
knowledge -- the origin of alphabetic writing -- 
should now be credited to the ancient Indians.

This claim arises from the successful 
deciphering of the ancient Indus script recently 
accomplished by Professor Natwar Jha. 

In his new book, 'Vedic lossary on Indus Seals', 
Jha explains his methodology and presents 
readings of more than 100 seals. Dr. Jha spent 
20 years on the Indus script project. 

He has deciphered more than 3500 seals and 
established that the script is old Brahmi, a 
thousand years older than the Phoenician script, 
the currently believed origin of all alphabetic 
writing.   

In detailed charts, Jha shows stage-by-stage 
derived forms from old-Brahmi that include 
Phoenician, Aramaic of Taxila, Sabien Hemyaretic, 
Greek, and even Finnish!

Work cited:

'Vedic Glossary on Indus Seals'
by Natwar Jha
Varanasi, 1996 : Ganga-Kaveri Publishing 
60 pages; Reviewed by C. J. S. Wallia

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

seventhray1:
> We just paid taxes of over $4,000.00 on our 
> house in our metropolitan are.  Our home is 
> nothing fantastic, but is reasonably nice.
>
> If  tea party people are objecting to what I 
> consider to be these excesses, then I am 
> sympathetic to their cause.
>
Property taxes should be abolished. It is an 
unfair system. If I were elected, I would author
a bill that would replace all school district 
property taxes and wipe out  the taxing ability 
of local school boards. 

It's just outrageous, these property taxes! I
don't even have any children attending public
schools!

In my government package, I would propose to 
elimnate all public schools and the federal 
department of education. The government has no 
business running schools. The current system 
of federal-run schools is a failure and is 
costing voters and homeowners a bundle!

[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[seventhray1]

Denise, you are one awesome lady.  Always working to bring balance to
situation.  This is why I am such a fan of the female energy.  Really,
you leave me kind of speechless. (-:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn 
wrote:
>
> Thank god, DEFCON 1 has never been called for.
>
>
>
> >
> > From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@...
> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:58 PM
> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to
Ravi Chivukula
> >
> >
> >Â
> >DEFCON 2
> >
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks Denise. Well because if the other throws his shit at me I
sometimes double down and throw it back at them.
> >>
> >> Again humiliation from their perspective. Humiliation is only a
quality of the relative not of the essence. I'm not that egotistic to
think I can ever taint, or humiliate the truth. Well the truth is
essentially untouched like I say.
> >>
> >> I feel I only attack their beliefs, their personality, together
with socially, morally inappropriate curse words thrown to complete the
shock treatment but for the other it's a humiliation because they are so
identified with it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:43 PM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
> >>
> >> > AlrightI might buy most of this.I am "taken in" by
you...you have pushed me and I appreciate that. But, while I do
understand the concept that you might feel the other persons pain after
humiliating themwhy choose that tactic? It's not clear to me how
humiliation really serves anyone except yourself possibly.
> >> > <
> >> > P.S. I might be close on my posts. When the post count goes
out...what is UT...how do I translate that to Pacific Time?
> >> >
> >> > From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> >> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:37 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance]
Letter to Ravi Chivukula
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > And Denise, yes Winner from the perspective of the one who wanted
to challenge me. Now having humiliated this person, I feel that person's
emotions - hurt, pain, anger, because they are another part of me, how
can I not feel hurt?
> >> >
> >> > But I am able to quickly internalize and transform these
emotions, both mine and the other. I feel joy and blissful very quickly.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "
> >> >> Hm..the "winner" huh. Your statement here is a bit
convoluted. If you have no agenda, then why do you have to "win." You
make some assumptions here about "the person who approaches you.".."
> >> >>
> >> >> Ravi - Approaches with an agenda that is, as in to confront me.
Winner only from their perspective. I don't care either way, but the
choice to play or withdraw with my playful humor or entice them with my
love is entirely up to my intuition.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Yes"if you so desire" you can use whatever tactics please
you."you remain untouched." This is your reality then? "
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes. Since I'm ever alert I just adapt seamlessly, a bit
unruffled at first on a completely new situation but never throws me off
balance. It's work in progress anyway, I will only get better.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> Anyway my 99 cents on this. The only way anyone can approach
me, understand me, conquer me is through love.
> >> >>> <
> >> >>> I know this Ravi. This is true for all humans, in the end. This
is why I sent you that painting - it really is a beautiful piece (IMHO).
I think Bob understood what I was saying as he was the only one to
respond, except for your initial response. It was not at all about my
fixation with the male sex organ (and I do not have a fixation btw).
Robin thought someone should meet you where you were at...that was my
attempt :)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> If someone approaches me with an agenda to one up me, with a
belief, through the intellect I will always be the winner because I
myself have no agenda, no beliefs so this person who approaches me thus
is completely vulnerable to my attacks. If I so desire I will use my
toxic tongue and caustic sarcasm to humiliate them or may be like Barry
says rip them a new asshole or I may just my playful detached humor to
escape or use my unconditional love to spoil them with attention, love,
humility and kindness. Either way I remain untouched, untainted,
untarnished by anything outside of me.
> >> >>> <
> >> >>> Hm..the "winner" huh. Your statement here is a bit
convoluted. If you have no agenda, then why do you have to "win." You
make some assumptions here about "the person who approaches you."
Yes"if you so desire" you can use whatever tactics please
you."you remain untouched." T

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

Emily:
> I just wonder who of our candidates has any ability 
> whatsoever to manage this on the foreign front. I 
> always come back to who I see as our only choice, 
> flawed or not, and that would be our current 
> president/administration.
>
So, we are agreed. I believe in giving credit where
credit is due: Obama approved the surge in Afghanistan;
Obama killed Osama bin Laden and that Anwar al-Awlaki 
terrorist; Obama helped free Libya from Ghadaffi; and 
Obama can now say "mission accomplished" in Iraq.

So, I'm pretty sure Obama could defeat Iran's blocking
of the Straight of Hormuz in a week or two. Obama has
so many military "toys" at his disposal that Iran could
be made defenseless in a matter of hours, or if needed,
Gawd Forbid!!!, reduced to an ant hill in a matter of 
days.

None of the candidates, except the incumbent, has a 
proven track record in foreign policy, so none probably
have "any ability whatsoever to manage the foreign 
front", (even if they were even remotely electable).

So, in my advice to you would be to vote for an the 
administration that can keep the Straight of Hormuz 
open - the Barak/Hillary ticket. That's the one! Get
out and vote!

Both Obama and Clinton have promised to keep America
safe and to defend U.S. interests world-wide, with any 
means necessary, up to and including military force.

'Aircraft Carrier USS John C Stennis' 
http://youtu.be/wLPOTdG8vlc

"The overarching goal is to slow, if not reverse, 
Iran's apparent progress toward developing a nuclear 
bomb – something international diplomacy and a 
series of economic sanctions have not been able to 
accomplish..." 

'The Christian Science Monitor'
December 28, 2011
http://tinyurl.com/d6hlbfl

[FairfieldLife] Re: [youtube] Golden loves guitar!!

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> This is so sweet and the best advertisement ever for Bud Light.

Fantastic video, but not even that dog could get me to buy anything made by a 
big American brewery. I don't drink, but beer is a great braising liquid, and 
for that purpose, I favor dark German beer. Right now, though, my fave braising 
liquid is a hard cider made right here in Iowa:

http://www.sutliffcider.com/

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Christmas Letter to Barry Wright from Masked Zebra

[Vaj]

On Dec 28, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Emily Reyn wrote:

While Axis II persons may not kill you, others often feel like dying  
being in their (even digital) presence.


Dear Vajradhatu, what does this mean to you?  Are you talking about  
a scenario where an NPD, for example, has so "consumed" another  
person, that said person cannot exist without the NPD?


No, I'm merely pointing out the fact that many clinicians who work  
with Personality Disordered patients will tell you that these are  
often not people who would do harm to themselves or to others but  
they've gotten to the point where the strength of their personality  
disorder spills over into relationships and causes considerable  
discomfort for those around them. One of the most widely acknowledged  
"unbearable" PD's is Borderline Personality Disorder ("Borderlines"),  
which can be so bad that some therapists simply cannot handle them  
and it's hard to find people who specialize in this disorder. When  
you'd meet such a person in real life, you'd simply avoid them or  
stop associating with them, if you could. But in internet life, esp.  
on unmoderated lists, such persons can really wreak havoc. And  
they're usually clever enough to tiptoe around the edges of rules.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is the Internet mindset antithetical to spiritual life?

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> Lately, I skip about 99 percent of the posts on FFL.  I get 
> that a few people are delighted to have an audience, anyone 
> who will engage. I avoid them entirely.  But for me the even 
> bigger question is: why does anyone want to be that audience? 
> Maybe I missed something along the way since I don't read 
> these attention-seekers at all - not since reading their first 
> few posts.   Don't they and all the people who keep replying 
> to them and stirring the pot have work to do, books to read, 
> walks to take, dogs to walk, movies to see, friends and/or 
> family to spend time with, dishes to wash, food to cook, meals 
> to eat, even meditation and yoga to practice?  You can analyze 
> it well, but I mean, seriously, who cares for these people, and 
> their audience?  Who does the daily living stuff for them?  How 
> do they earn a living, live and then spend all this time posting 
> about, about mind-jumbling uninteresting concepts. Just saying I 
> noticed the same things as you did here and it is interesting to 
> hear that FFL is not the only place seeing the same  Wonder what 
> the next stage will be

It's definitely not just FFL. My little rant was occasioned
by an attention slut outbreak on two other forums, not by
anything in particular here, although we've certainly seen
the same trend here. On those other two forums for the last
week 80% of the posts have been made by 2 to 4 people, all 
of them fitting into the attention slut description I posted 
earlier. And to make things worse, there are no posting 
limits on these forums, so it's like FFL in the Bad Old Days 
before Rick wisely implemented the weekly limit of 50 posts. 
Try to imagine what FFL would be like if those who tend to 
make 20 to 30 posts in one day were able to continue doing 
so all week -- that's what these other forums have become. :-(

I completely agree with your approach, and tend to base mine
these days on time. It's the one thing I can't get back, and
I tend not to want to waste it on reading or participating
in conversations that in retrospect are going to turn out to
be a waste of time for all concerned. 

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > I've been wondering about this lately, because so many forums I'm a part
> > of have been invaded by hordes of what I tend to call ( for want of the
> > proper Sanskrit term :-) attention sluts. You know the type of person
> > I'm talking about. Insecure, not many real-life friends, and seriously
> > in need of attention. Any kind of attention will seemingly do. So the
> > attention sluts tend to post a LOT, eating up bandwidth and
> > automatically rendering themselves uninteresting to those who don't
> > gravitate to Chatty Cathy types.
> > 
> > If no one replies or gives them the attention they seek, the attention
> > sluts tend to practice one or more of three primary strategies. The
> > first is to talk about themselves, pretty much non-stop, as if telling
> > everyone how great they are will make these people think they're great.
> > This tactic tends not to work on spiritual forums, because it's rightly
> > interpreted as runaway ego, and who wants to talk with a runaway ego?
> > 
> > The second tactic is to praise other posters, or "love bomb" them,
> > hoping that they too are insecure enough and in need of attention enough
> > to reply to the flattery. The idea seems to be that if the attention
> > slut can get a person to focus on them by flattering them, maybe they'll
> > *keep* focusing on them. In my experience, this tactic only tends to
> > work on other attention sluts, and tends to result in the formation of
> > cliques, in which groups of attention sluts chat mainly with each other.
> > 
> > The third tactic, when the above two have failed, is to try to insult or
> > badger or abuse other people into replying. After all, the only thing
> > that's important to an attention slut is the *attention*. It doesn't
> > matter what form that attention takes. Again, this tends to work only on
> > those who are so ungrounded in their own self as to feel the need to
> > "defend" that self when it's insulted.
> > 
> > The thing I see lately on multiple forums lately is that attention
> > slut-itis is rampant, almost epidemic. I blame this on the emergence of
> > social media like Twitter and Facebook, in which the entire game is
> > about how much attention you can attract. "How many followers do you
> > have?"
> > 
> > https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/408664_283013468313\
> > 9_1552286745_2594704_2120755496_n.jpg
> >  
> >  > 39_1552286745_2594704_2120755496_n.jpg>
> > But if you think about it, aren't compulsive attempts to get other
> > people to focus their attention on you kinda...uh...un-spiritual in the
> > first place? On pretty much all of the forums in question, those v

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is the Internet mindset antithetical to spiritual life?

[merudanda]

that would be then.uhh ...attention smoker?? [:D]  [:)]

"When (according to Urban dictionary)this persons group of friends is
used to them smoking they will claim they are quitting to gain attention
again when actually they are not addicted in the first place so have no
problem 'quitting' [:D] "
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I've been wondering about this lately, because so many forums I'm a
part
> of have been invaded by hordes of what I tend to call ( for want of
the
> proper Sanskrit term :-) attention sluts. You know the type of person
> I'm talking about. Insecure, not many real-life friends, and seriously
> in need of attention. Any kind of attention will seemingly do. So the
> attention sluts tend to post a LOT, eating up bandwidth and
> automatically rendering themselves uninteresting to those who don't
> gravitate to Chatty Cathy types.
>
> If no one replies or gives them the attention they seek, the attention
> sluts tend to practice one or more of three primary strategies. The
> first is to talk about themselves, pretty much non-stop, as if telling
> everyone how great they are will make these people think they're
great.
> This tactic tends not to work on spiritual forums, because it's
rightly
> interpreted as runaway ego, and who wants to talk with a runaway ego?
>
> The second tactic is to praise other posters, or "love bomb" them,
> hoping that they too are insecure enough and in need of attention
enough
> to reply to the flattery. The idea seems to be that if the attention
> slut can get a person to focus on them by flattering them, maybe
they'll
> *keep* focusing on them. In my experience, this tactic only tends to
> work on other attention sluts, and tends to result in the formation of
> cliques, in which groups of attention sluts chat mainly with each
other.
>
> The third tactic, when the above two have failed, is to try to insult
or
> badger or abuse other people into replying. After all, the only thing
> that's important to an attention slut is the *attention*. It doesn't
> matter what form that attention takes. Again, this tends to work only
on
> those who are so ungrounded in their own self as to feel the need to
> "defend" that self when it's insulted.
>
> The thing I see lately on multiple forums lately is that attention
> slut-itis is rampant, almost epidemic. I blame this on the emergence
of
> social media like Twitter and Facebook, in which the entire game is
> about how much attention you can attract. "How many followers do you
> have?"
>
>
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/408664_283013468313\
\
> 9_1552286745_2594704_2120755496_n.jpg
>
>
 39_1552286745_2594704_2120755496_n.jpg>
> But if you think about it, aren't compulsive attempts to get other
> people to focus their attention on you kinda...uh...un-spiritual in
the
> first place? On pretty much all of the forums in question, those
voices
> that are most universally appreciated and held in some regard belong
to
> people who don't utilize any of the three strategies above. Instead,
> they tend to talk only when they have something to say, and reply only
> to people who have actually said something interesting. And they stay
> out of protracted arguments and generally skip the small shit. Because
> it IS, after all, small shit.
>
> Call me crazy, but these folks seem to figured out something valuable
> about the nature of chat forums that the oh-so-needy Chatty Cathys
> haven't. Maybe they just spend more time in meditation and immersed in
> the Self than the attention sluts, and thus have no need to try to
pump
> up the self by sucking attention from other people. Or maybe they're
> just grownups...I don't know. All I know is who I avoid and who I want
> to engage in conversation with.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

> > > > Here we go again.  Who will back
> > > > down to avoid another war?
> > > > Conventional wisdom would say that
> > > > Iran should tow the line.  But then
> > > > again who knows what they'll do.
> > > >
> > > The militerrorists want to play with
> > > the new toys they got for Christmas.
> > >
> > The Iranian 'militerrorists' probably
> > don't celebrate Christmas by giving
> > each other toys like you do.
> >
Bhairitu:
> I wasn't speaking about Iranian "militerrorists", 
> Mr. Numbnuts.
>
So, you're thinking that the U.S. is the 
"militerrorist" by wanting to keep the Straight 
open? If so, then you're more mixed up than I 
originally thought!

It's the Iranian "militerrorists" that are
threatening to close the straight, Mr. Numbnuts.

You sound like you'd like to be paying $10.00 a
gallon for your gasoline! Go figure. How far do
you think you can walk with a pack of groceries
on your back?

"The U.S. Fifth Fleet said on Wednesday it would 
not allow any disruption of traffic in the Strait 
of Hormuz, after Iran threatened to stop ships 
moving through the world's most important oil 
route..."

'U.S. Fifth Fleet says won't allow Hormuz disruption'
Reuters, December 28, 2011
http://tinyurl.com/c3xjusc

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is the Internet mindset antithetical to spiritual life?

[Susan]

Lately, I skip about 99 percent of the posts on FFL.  I get that a few people 
are delighted to have an audience, anyone who will engage. I avoid them 
entirely.  But for me the even bigger question is: why does anyone want to be 
that audience? Maybe I missed something along the way since I don't read these 
attention-seekers at all - not since reading their first few posts.   Don't 
they and all the people who keep replying to them and stirring the pot have 
work to do, books to read, walks to take, dogs to walk, movies to see, friends 
and/or family to spend time with, dishes to wash, food to cook, meals to eat, 
even meditation and yoga to practice?  You can analyze it well, but I mean, 
seriously, who cares for these people, and their audience?  Who does the daily 
living stuff for them?  How do they earn a living, live and then spend all this 
time posting about, about mind-jumbling uninteresting concepts. Just saying I 
noticed the same things as you did here and it is interesting to hear that FFL 
is not the only place seeing the same  Wonder what the next stage will 
be

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I've been wondering about this lately, because so many forums I'm a part
> of have been invaded by hordes of what I tend to call ( for want of the
> proper Sanskrit term :-) attention sluts. You know the type of person
> I'm talking about. Insecure, not many real-life friends, and seriously
> in need of attention. Any kind of attention will seemingly do. So the
> attention sluts tend to post a LOT, eating up bandwidth and
> automatically rendering themselves uninteresting to those who don't
> gravitate to Chatty Cathy types.
> 
> If no one replies or gives them the attention they seek, the attention
> sluts tend to practice one or more of three primary strategies. The
> first is to talk about themselves, pretty much non-stop, as if telling
> everyone how great they are will make these people think they're great.
> This tactic tends not to work on spiritual forums, because it's rightly
> interpreted as runaway ego, and who wants to talk with a runaway ego?
> 
> The second tactic is to praise other posters, or "love bomb" them,
> hoping that they too are insecure enough and in need of attention enough
> to reply to the flattery. The idea seems to be that if the attention
> slut can get a person to focus on them by flattering them, maybe they'll
> *keep* focusing on them. In my experience, this tactic only tends to
> work on other attention sluts, and tends to result in the formation of
> cliques, in which groups of attention sluts chat mainly with each other.
> 
> The third tactic, when the above two have failed, is to try to insult or
> badger or abuse other people into replying. After all, the only thing
> that's important to an attention slut is the *attention*. It doesn't
> matter what form that attention takes. Again, this tends to work only on
> those who are so ungrounded in their own self as to feel the need to
> "defend" that self when it's insulted.
> 
> The thing I see lately on multiple forums lately is that attention
> slut-itis is rampant, almost epidemic. I blame this on the emergence of
> social media like Twitter and Facebook, in which the entire game is
> about how much attention you can attract. "How many followers do you
> have?"
> 
> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/408664_283013468313\
> 9_1552286745_2594704_2120755496_n.jpg
>  
>  39_1552286745_2594704_2120755496_n.jpg>
> But if you think about it, aren't compulsive attempts to get other
> people to focus their attention on you kinda...uh...un-spiritual in the
> first place? On pretty much all of the forums in question, those voices
> that are most universally appreciated and held in some regard belong to
> people who don't utilize any of the three strategies above. Instead,
> they tend to talk only when they have something to say, and reply only
> to people who have actually said something interesting. And they stay
> out of protracted arguments and generally skip the small shit. Because
> it IS, after all, small shit.
> 
> Call me crazy, but these folks seem to figured out something valuable
> about the nature of chat forums that the oh-so-needy Chatty Cathys
> haven't. Maybe they just spend more time in meditation and immersed in
> the Self than the attention sluts, and thus have no need to try to pump
> up the self by sucking attention from other people. Or maybe they're
> just grownups...I don't know. All I know is who I avoid and who I want
> to engage in conversation with.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is the Internet mindset antithetical to spiritual life?

[Vaj]

On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:46 AM, turquoiseb wrote:

I've been wondering about this lately, because so many forums I'm a  
part of have been invaded by hordes of what I tend to call ( for  
want of the proper Sanskrit term :-)


pravidhA-raNDa: attention slut

pravidhA-raNDa-Ananda: the bliss of being an attention slut.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula

[Vaj]

On Dec 28, 2011, at 8:13 PM, azgrey  wrote:

> Speaking of mad as a March hare.
> 
> Just sayin'.

Yeah, I know. I haven't been in the CIA for years, I've been so busy with 
Indiana Jones trying to find Q.

[FairfieldLife] Re: So called yogic siddhis/sanyamas and aaloka of prajñaa? Part 3

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> > So, the depth(?) of samaadhi/samaapatti associated with
> saMyama/siddhi-s> seems to be able to be anything from
> nirvitarka/nirvitarkaa "down to" at> least saasmitaa (sa + asmitaa:with
> asmitaa):> smRtiparisuddhau svaruupashuunyevaarthamaatranirbhaasaa
> nirvitarkaa. (I> 43)> etayaiva savicaaraa [samaapatti/samaadhi -- card]
> nirvicaaraa ca> shuukSmavishayaavyaakhyaataa. (I 44)>
> III 5 goes like this:
> tajjayaat prajñaalokaH; (tat-jayaat prajñaalokaH).
> "Sucker" Taimni translates it like this:
> By mastering it (saMyama) the light of the higher consciousness.
> Just for fun, let's "study" the compound word prajñaalokaH.  How many
> interpretationsare possible? Let's suppose, that the first part is
> either prajña or prajñaa.
> Tasmin sati, we get the following possible combinations:
> prajña + alokaH
prajña + aalokaH
prajñaa + lokaH
prajñaa +> alokaH
prajñaa + aalokaH.
>

Vyaasa's comment on that suutra (III 5) begins like this
(transliterating from devanaagarii):

tasya saMyamasya jayaat samaadhi-prajñaayaa bhavatyaalokaH (bhavati+
aalokaH)...

Judging by that, the correct components of 'prajnaalokaH' above
seem to be

prajñaa + aalokaH.

So, in that case "sucker" Taimni's translation for 'prajñaalokaH'
(the light of the higher consciousness) might be acceptable.

We seem to recall Maharishi once said something like:

The acid test of full enlightenment is the ability to perform
siddhi-s at will.

Or something to that effect.

In YS III 5, Patañjali seems to corroborate that: from the
mastery of saMyama [follows] the light of consciousness; or stuff.

[FairfieldLife] Is the Internet mindset antithetical to spiritual life?

[turquoiseb]

I've been wondering about this lately, because so many forums I'm a part
of have been invaded by hordes of what I tend to call ( for want of the
proper Sanskrit term :-) attention sluts. You know the type of person
I'm talking about. Insecure, not many real-life friends, and seriously
in need of attention. Any kind of attention will seemingly do. So the
attention sluts tend to post a LOT, eating up bandwidth and
automatically rendering themselves uninteresting to those who don't
gravitate to Chatty Cathy types.

If no one replies or gives them the attention they seek, the attention
sluts tend to practice one or more of three primary strategies. The
first is to talk about themselves, pretty much non-stop, as if telling
everyone how great they are will make these people think they're great.
This tactic tends not to work on spiritual forums, because it's rightly
interpreted as runaway ego, and who wants to talk with a runaway ego?

The second tactic is to praise other posters, or "love bomb" them,
hoping that they too are insecure enough and in need of attention enough
to reply to the flattery. The idea seems to be that if the attention
slut can get a person to focus on them by flattering them, maybe they'll
*keep* focusing on them. In my experience, this tactic only tends to
work on other attention sluts, and tends to result in the formation of
cliques, in which groups of attention sluts chat mainly with each other.

The third tactic, when the above two have failed, is to try to insult or
badger or abuse other people into replying. After all, the only thing
that's important to an attention slut is the *attention*. It doesn't
matter what form that attention takes. Again, this tends to work only on
those who are so ungrounded in their own self as to feel the need to
"defend" that self when it's insulted.

The thing I see lately on multiple forums lately is that attention
slut-itis is rampant, almost epidemic. I blame this on the emergence of
social media like Twitter and Facebook, in which the entire game is
about how much attention you can attract. "How many followers do you
have?"

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/408664_283013468313\
9_1552286745_2594704_2120755496_n.jpg
 

But if you think about it, aren't compulsive attempts to get other
people to focus their attention on you kinda...uh...un-spiritual in the
first place? On pretty much all of the forums in question, those voices
that are most universally appreciated and held in some regard belong to
people who don't utilize any of the three strategies above. Instead,
they tend to talk only when they have something to say, and reply only
to people who have actually said something interesting. And they stay
out of protracted arguments and generally skip the small shit. Because
it IS, after all, small shit.

Call me crazy, but these folks seem to figured out something valuable
about the nature of chat forums that the oh-so-needy Chatty Cathys
haven't. Maybe they just spend more time in meditation and immersed in
the Self than the attention sluts, and thus have no need to try to pump
up the self by sucking attention from other people. Or maybe they're
just grownups...I don't know. All I know is who I avoid and who I want
to engage in conversation with.

Re: [FairfieldLife] [youtube] Golden loves guitar!!

[Emily Reyn]

This is so sweet and the best advertisement ever for Bud Light.



>
> From: cardemaister 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:01 AM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] [youtube] Golden loves guitar!!
> 
>
>  
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBluUZ4NnZg
>
>
> 
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Al Jazeera video - Strait of Hormuz

[Emily Reyn]

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2011/12/2011122943158217383.html

[FairfieldLife] [youtube] Golden loves guitar!!

[cardemaister]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBluUZ4NnZg

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat

[Emily Reyn]

Here are a few of our toys.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2011/1228/An-accelerating-covert-war-with-Iran-Could-it-spiral-into-military-action


I just wonder who of our candidates has any ability whatsoever to manage this 
on the foreign front.  I always come back to who I see as our only choice, 
flawed or not, and that would be our current president/administration.



>
> From: Bhairitu 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:28 PM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Responds to Iran Threat
> 
>
>  
>On 12/28/2011 05:39 PM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote:
>>
 Here we go again.  Who will back
 down to avoid another war?
 Conventional wisdom would say that
 Iran should tow the line.  But then
 again who knows what they'll do.


>> Bhairitu:
>>> The militerrorists want to play with
>>> the new toys they got for Christmas.
>>>
>> The Iranian 'militerrorists' probably
>> don't celebrate Christmas by giving
>> each other toys like you do.
>
>I wasn't speaking about Iranian "militerrorists", Mr. Numbnuts.
>
>
> 
>
>