[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affair-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html She smiles as she plunges the dagger deep into the heart and soul of MMY's reputation, and for what?, a few coins of silver for her cheap book?, is Judith Bourque MMY's Judas? or a tormented soul hiding beneath flower covered dresses? Seems to me that the person who destroyed his *own* reputation was the guy who plunged his dick deep into Judith Bourque and a number of other women. If you're looking for a tortured soul, it seems to me that it would be the person who did this while claiming to be celibate. If MMY 'the great pretender' only nailed a couple of broads in his lifetime with all that money and power, he was a pretty poor Don Juan, don't cha think? ;-) Come on Turq, you know you and I would be nailing them all and probably have a harem to boot! That's a silly comment. He nailed quite a few, but he couldn't exactly go hog wild and yet retain secrecy. It's amazing he was able to keep it as secret as he did. I believe that may be why he placed such emphasis on secrecy and confidentiality in general. Those in positions of authority knew things on a need to know basis. Neil Paterson wouldn't tell you what brand of toothpaste he used. RESPONSE: I think this comment by Rich to be apposite--and holding within itself a level of sophistication that begins to go to what the reality is. I have never had that thought: I believe that may be why he placed such emphasis on secrecy and confidentiality in general. It seems it could be true. For myself, I think there are a number of things to think about if one assumes the veracity of Judy Bourque's testimony (corroborated most unforgettable in Robert McCutcheon's Afterword and Witness Testimonial): 1. Maharishi either did not care to preserve his integrity in this way, and therefore does not have a conscience, or else he was unable to control his carnal desires, and surrendered himself up to his concupiscence involuntarily, as it were. Judith was, after all, a beautiful woman: she certainly would put his enlightenment to the test (in this way, enlightenment--Maharishi's at least--requires some vow of celibacy, which presumably Maharishi gave in the course of his commitment to Swami Brahmananda Saraswati). 2. Were TM to be what Maharishi claimed it to be:--Nature's way of coming to know the Unified Field, Nature's way of knowing the final truth about nature, Nature's way of fulfilling one full potential as a human being--*Nature would never allow the exponent, the personal embodiment, of this truth to be compromised in this way*. Nature would have supported Maharishi's celibacy. The fact that Nature did not do this, tells us everything we need to know about the finality of Nature's commitment to the truth of TM, since guarding the reputation of Maharishi in this way would have been a sine qua non. And, as well, what Nature ['Nature' here designates the source of truth, the source of 'creative intelligence', the ultimate arbiter of what is real] really thought of Maharishi is revealed in allowing Maharishi to disgrace himself in this way. That is, not in the act of having a physical relationship with Judith Bourque, but in his implicit presentation of himself as someone incapable of succumbing to the insistence of his erotic feelings. 3. Maharishi must have known somehow that the truth would eventually come out about him. He did nothing to prepare his disciples, or his successor, for this scandal, a scandal who reverberations would never cease, because of how impressive and beautiful and believable Maharishi was in terms of radiating out from himself the truth of his very Teaching. Imagine, had someone posed theoretically the questions to him: Maharishi, what would should a disciple of a Master do or feel if that Master, who was sworn--one must believe, happily so--to celibacy, violates that vow and demonstrates by doing so that he is a prisoner of something other than his own pure consciousness? Maharishi was never able to compute the inevitably consequences of his having indulged--however sincerely at the level of romance--his carnal desires in this way. What Rich brings out attention to seems to offer up an answer to this: Maharishi thought he, as it were, could behave in a way which would metaphysically somehow keep the universe itself from divulging the truth
[FairfieldLife] Basic instinct, Ukranian style!
As the hidden camera show N?ked Funny proves, there are loads of attractive chicks with *natural b??bies* in Ukraine? http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3862527/naked_and_funny_basic_instinct_3_2201/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunis
[FairfieldLife] Objects in the rearview mirror are smaller than they appear
I bounce back and forth these days between reading (for work) scientific papers, many of them about the vagaries of human perception and how the brain really works (as opposed to how we think it works), and reading (for fun) various spiritual forums. This causes some cognitive dissonance, because I am constantly confronted with people who have an unnatural attachment to their memories of the past, and will do almost *anything* to defend those memories as if they were Reality, and not just the product of Brain Chemicals Gone Wild. One of the phenomena that occurs with some regularity on the spiritual forums is people waxing all emotional about their teacher...oops, sorry...THEIR TEACHER, and trying to make a case for that teacher being the best thing since sliced bread, spiritually speaking. They talk about how wonderful he or she was, how the room lit up when he/she entered it, how he/she changed the world in ways that lesser mortals don't understand, and how obviously he/she was in some exalted higher state of consciousness. You know me...I have a perverse sense of humor. I sometimes ask these people -- whose memories of THEIR TEACHER are still so vivid in their minds, and which they present as Absolute Truth, because *they* experienced them, and *their* perception is accurate, damnit -- what they had for lunch yesterday. None of them can remember. But they can remember *perfectly* (or so they would have you believe) things that THEIR TEACHER said and did, and will argue with you for hours about how he/she was not only enlightened, but the most enlightened being on the planet, the no-question-about-it Most Enlightened Being Ever. Go figure. I have noticed several things over the years when dealing with such people. First, in almost every case, the person telling us authoritatively that THEIR TEACHER was such hot shit and all enlightened and all *never really knew him or her very well*. In 95% of the cases, the closest they ever got to THEIR TEACHER was from an audience, and the only times they ever talked with him/her were over a microphone, trying to get their Important Question in before the next person in line did so. And when you ask them about it, you find out that this only happened a dozen or so times in the entire time they worked with the teacher they claim to know so well. And yet. They'll swear on a stack of Gitas that *their* perception of this person was accurate, and more accurate than other people's. Second, again in almost every case, when asked to describe what makes them so convinced that THEIR TEACHER was so enlightened, they'll talk about experiences they had in his or her presence. And when you cut through the crap and actually listen to what they're saying, these experiences are Almost Always Emotional. Excuse me, but I was under the impression that a truly transcendental experience -- such as experiencing what it's like to be in the aura of a person who is fully enlightened -- was not emotional at all. Almost by definition, the vibe of enlightenment *transcends* mere emotion. If you experience some strong emotion during what you consider a spiritual experience, it's almost by definition NOT spiritual. You may be experiencing the aftereffects of a truly transcendental experience, but if there is emotion there *as* you're having the experience, it's not transcendental, and it's not technically spiritual. Third, in more cases than not, the people who get all blubbery about THEIR TEACHER years or decades after they last saw them *never spent any time with any other teachers*. Their vaunted accurate perception of how enlightened he or she is or was is based on only seeing or being around that particular teacher. They have never really had another experience to compare it with. And fourth, they *identify* with and are *attached to* these primarily emotional memories of THEIR TEACHER so strongly because their *own* sense of worth and self importance is based on them being true. They are important because the teacher was important. They cannot possibly even go there and examine the possibility that THEIR TEACHER *wasn't* important, or *wasn't* as enlightened as they think he/she was. I think we can learn a lot about why people hold on to their memories of spiritual teachers like this from neuroscience. What it tells us is that we tend to cling to and describe as real or truth those experiences which are primarily emotional, and that got our feel good brain chemicals or endorphins flowing while we were having the experience. I think we can also intuit a lot about why people do this by just watching human nature. The more attached a person is to a past memory being true or Truth, the less likely they are to ever even entertain the idea that it's not, because if it were then they'd have been Wuh-Wuh-Wuh-WRONG. And that can't be allowed to happen. All in all, watching this dance of unreasoning adoration (and, when THEIR TEACHER is now famous for having been...uh...rather less than
[FairfieldLife] University professor to study life after death
A University of California, Riverside philosophy professor, John Martin Fischer, has been awarded a three-year, $5 million grant by the John Templeton Foundation to study just this topicâand yes, students can take his class. Fischer noted in an email to Yahoo News, Both I and my post-doc, Benjamin Mitchell-Yellin, will teach related classes over the next three years. I have frequently taught classes on death, immortality, and the meaning of life both at Yale University and UC Riverside. So what's the meaning of life? More on that in a moment. Fischer noted, We'll be open both to studying religious and non-religious views about immortality. One thing that we'll study is whether human beings would want to live forever: would it be boring? Would it lose its meaning and beauty and urgency? Does death give meaning to life? According to the university's website announcing the grant award, many anecdotal reports of the afterlife abound, but there has been no comprehensive and rigorous, scientific study of global reports about near-death and other experiences, or of how belief in immortality influences human behavior. The research will look at a range of phenomena, including heaven, hell, purgatory, and karma. The grant is the largest ever awarded to a humanities professor at UC Riverside, and one of the largest given to an individual at the university. Fischer said in a statement, We will be very careful in documenting near-death experiences and other phenomena, trying to figure out if these offer plausible glimpses of an afterlife or are biologically induced illusions, Fischer said. Our approach will be uncompromisingly scientifically rigorous. We're not going to spend money to study alien-abduction reports. The grant will also fund two conferences to discuss the findings. Said UC Riverside Chancellor Timothy P. White, Fischer's research takes a universal concern and subjects it to rigorous examination to sift fact from fiction. The Immortality Project, as it is called, will solicit research proposals from eminent scientists, philosophers and theologians whose work will be reviewed by respected leaders in their fields and published in academic and popular journals. The research will also delve into cultural aspects of the afterlife. For example, there are reports of millions of Americans seeing a tunnel with a bright light at the end. In Japan, reports often find the individual tending a garden. The professor added that the academic research could include a range of issues, like heaven and hell: If we are material beings, how can we exist in heaven, where we would not have physical bodies (or not of the sort we have here)? There is a lot of interest in near-death experiences. We can carefully catalog them and look into whether there are patterns. There has already been a lot of work on this. Perhaps some cross-cultural studies would be helpful. We'll also be open to studying the relationship between beliefs in afterlife and behavior--moral behavior and crime rates. Sounds like the kind of research topics that many college students have already spent hours pondering. As for the meaning of life? The professor says check back in three years. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/university-professor-study-life-death-231726553.html
[FairfieldLife] 'Witnessing Cons.'
'Witnessing consciousness is developed through the process of meditation. TM seems to be the most effective way to develope witnessing consciousness... Although mantra meditation has been available for years...it was Maharishi's gift to us... That he revived the Vedic Wisdom for the 'Proper Use of the Mantra'... The mantra is a vehicle for 'Transcendence'... By transcendence we mean... 'Going Beyond the Thinking Process'... The thinking process is what we are nomally used to during the day and during the night... At night we sometimes have dreams, which is also a variable of the thinking process, exceept it is in the world of the illusion of that dream state...in other words the bathtub in the dream will get you wet, only in that dream... Sleep is a kind of death, in that nothing is remembered in deep sleep, as even the 'Awareness of Existence' is gone, as it were... This is why deep sleep is the ultimate test of 'Enlightenment'in that if 'Awareness Can Be Maintained' during deep sleep, then 'Enlightenment is Well Established'... Now then, 'Awareness is Deep Sleep' must be maintained at the 'Slowest Possible Brain Freq' which is called 'Delta'... 'Delta Brain Freq'...is anything less then 5 cycles a sec... So, then, the 'Witness' is what is available at the low freq'. In order to 'Culture the Mind' to maintain the 'Witnessing Awareness'...one must first begin to experience the mantra on finer and finer levels... What we mean by finer...is 'Quieter Levels'just that 'Silent Level'...like the kind of silence that you feel on top of a mountain late a night with stars out... It's a kind of 'Eternal Silence' with no beginning and no end... It doesn't seem to have been created, as it were, because there was never a time or space when it wasn't because inherent in time and space is this 'Very Existence Itself'... It can be called in 'Christian Terms' the 'Kingdom of Heaven Within', as it were... Because the continued fathomiing of that experience 'Exposes It to Be, Unbounded in Time and Unbounded in Space'...and in a way... 'Quite Beyond Both Time and Space'... It cannot be 'Fathomed by the Intellect' as it is beyond the intellects reasoning powers, as it were... It can only be fathomed by the 'Ego' in that the ego senses this to be 'Beyond itself'... As the ego begins to experience, directly the dissolution of itself, it makes way for a... 'Greater Whole to Emerge'... This greater whole is called 'Para Brahm'... The 'Uncreated Creator of All That There Is'... It all begins and ends with the 'Stabilization of the Witnessiing Value of Consciouness'... It's always the same... It's the 'Big Self'... It's Atman or 'Soul'... So, as the witness becomes estaBLISHED... In cosmic consciousness... It feels seperated, as it were, from activity and intiation of action... So, it wants or desires 'Unity' to be established further... This is where the practice of Mantra and Sidhis fulfill themselves... As the Witnessing Awareness begins to Over take everything...all impules of any manifestation becomes a wave of the 'Self'... We can 'See from the Third Eye, Now'...all the time... As the 'Crown Chakra Opens' and the 'Light of the Soul' shines in, as it were... 'Aligning Itself with Atma'... As the 'Jiva is Experienced as One'... The Jive and Atma are experienced as One'... Peace, love and Jai Guru Deva.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
After many long years of traveling the world, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, decided to rest with a girl on night... There was a full moon that night and the love in the air was really good... I don't know where it was, perhaps at Lake Tahoe... In a past life, maybe this was just a replay of that... Just being close was enough, really.. It was an innocent thing... God created Man in His Image. God Created Women in his image... Unity Consciousness, the Third Eye Opened, and was more or less like Shiva and Shakti, vibrating up to about 80,000 ft. instantaneously... There was a oneness there that smelled like angels... Like a babies cry, a deep abiding experience... Love flows despite what the opposition would have you believe. Love exists, despite what the opposition would have you believe... Money is great, but not without love... Right?
[FairfieldLife] An Open Question to FFLers
This question has been posed before, by numerous people, but I don't remember it ever being dealt with in any depth, or with any real honesty, so I'm posing it again: If you believe that Maharishi was enlightened (in at least Cosmic Consciousness as he defined it, let alone Unity Consciousness as he defined it), WHY do you believe this? I ask because, try as I might I never once, in all the years I studied with him and was around him, heard Maharishi claim to be enlightened. Not once. I have met or encountered on the Internet *many* people whose experience was the same as mine; they cannot think of a single occasion on which he actually claimed to be in any higher state of consciousness. And yet, day after day we hear people talking on this and other forums as if Maharishi's enlightenment could be *assumed*, that it's a Done Deal, and a fact. They stake their entire reputations on this. I'm wondering WHY. If you're one of these people, convinced that Maharishi was enlightened, could you possibly explain WHY you feel this way? Thanks in advance...
[FairfieldLife] The Main Turning Point
I feel that the main turning point for the tm movement in the united states and the leadership of jerry jarvis, came in the spring of 1977... It was the finding of the united states circuit court in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania... TM as a 'Religion'... So, despite most of the founders of the united states, washington, jefferson, franklin membership is the secret society of the 'Free Masons'... On that same hallowed ground, not far from where good ol' Ben fly his night kite, into the 'Electica Storm'... Came the dark verdict... Maharishi was pissed, dissappointed and hurt... He has worked so many years, for that moment when TM would have done so much good, and so quickly too... But, alas, it was not to be... Maharishi didn't even want to pay the lawyers who had represented the tm movement, he was so mad... Jerry was also just as upset that night when he spoke in the Fieldhouse to Everyone, about what happened... Jerry wanted to pay the attorneys...so that is when the split happened... and the power fell to Bevan... And to the Germans, who Maharishi felt more secure with... Eventually, Maharishi promised to build a large center in Berlin, to really help the long suffering German People, to evolve... And maybe even some day, to really let themselves go...and dance..doiing the boog a loo. Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Question to FFLers
I belive Maharishi was enlightened by my experience listening to him and from being around him... I felt that he had gotten beyond his ego... What enlightenment means to you may be quite different than what it means to me... But, it really doesn't matter... All that really matters is your bliss For that is what radiates most to the universe now and forever more... Is there life after sleep? YEs, of course... Can you really see or describe 'God' Not really... Can you really ever see or describe why you may or may not think another person is enlightened... I think you must have been very perturbed at the other man you were following and just have a classic case of transference towards Maharishi Mahesh Yogi...but that's alright, he can take it... Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: This question has been posed before, by numerous people, but I don't remember it ever being dealt with in any depth, or with any real honesty, so I'm posing it again: If you believe that Maharishi was enlightened (in at least Cosmic Consciousness as he defined it, let alone Unity Consciousness as he defined it), WHY do you believe this? I ask because, try as I might I never once, in all the years I studied with him and was around him, heard Maharishi claim to be enlightened. Not once. I have met or encountered on the Internet *many* people whose experience was the same as mine; they cannot think of a single occasion on which he actually claimed to be in any higher state of consciousness. And yet, day after day we hear people talking on this and other forums as if Maharishi's enlightenment could be *assumed*, that it's a Done Deal, and a fact. They stake their entire reputations on this. I'm wondering WHY. If you're one of these people, convinced that Maharishi was enlightened, could you possibly explain WHY you feel this way? Thanks in advance...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Dear wgm4u: I am not interested in trying to convince anyone that Judith Bourque has told the truth. And theefore I would never put myself in the position of trying to adduce evidence for the assumed veracity of Judith Bourque's claim that Maharishi took her as his lover. It is as inconceivable that Maharishi would do this as finding out that the moon and the sun are unreal, or that Niagara Falls is just a magic trick, or that the War in Iraq was just some Tarantino movie, or that David Letterman found the Lord, or that Gabby Douglas is really just an old woman in disguise. I just simply knew, as I read the book, that this person had no other motive than to tell the truth. And I think I am pretty good at knowing when someone is sincere and truthful and when someone is disingenuous and dissembling. And besides I respect your belief that this could not be true. Not only are you entitled to believe this, but it may be more 'evolutionary' to believe this. Once you begin reading Judith Bourque's book, though, you know, just by who she is, that she just wanted to get the truth out. The evidence of her trustworthiness is simply overwhelming. I haven't read the witch doctors book but it sounds like she makes a compelling case, so be it, what good would a cheap novel be without some salacious content. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Why buy Acme Inc?
Why buy Acme (or Nokia, or whatever) Inc? Because for the fundie Christians of Goldman-Sachs Acme (Nokia, etc.) is 'sell'!? ROFLMAO!
Re: [FairfieldLife] An Open Question to FFLers
Good morning TurqB and thank you for asking this question. In the spirit of the Byron Katie question, Can you absolutely know that's true, I don't know if Maharishi was enlightened. btw, I have yet to find a situation in which I can answer yes to that BK question. Not a single one. And I also experience what I call knowingness which is more than intellectual knowledge and includes intuition as well as instinctual, bodily and emotional intelligence. This intuitive knowingness is what I experienced when I attended the TM intro lecture. I knew that it was what I had been seeking. And so I started TM the weekend before the Merv Griffin Show. 37 years later and between 5 and 10 programs total missed due to travel and or illness, and this intuitive knowing is still what keeps me on this path. As I've shared here before, I have investigated many other systems. I no longer look to the TMO for my emotional healing tho I do experience it as the foundation for my emotional development. By which I mean I don't think the other stuff would work as well as it has if I hadn't been doing TMSP. Which also gets a lot of credit for developing my intuitive knowing. When I left MUM 10 years ago to seek the emotional healing I needed, I was at peace with TMO. I had come to know that TMO is in the relative, thus best not to expect it to be perfect. Since then I have come to understand about internal dysfunctional families and how they are reflected in any and all groups one might join. Of course the leader of any such group would be a reflection of one's inner father. Both positive and negative projections leftover from childhood will be put on this person. Best to be conscious about such projections. Also as stated before, I am not a TM gov so don't have that particular bond with Maharishi. But I continue with TMSP and I continue to deeply resonate with Maharishi's explanations about consciousness, etc. That is more than enough for me. Hope this helps. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 5:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] An Open Question to FFLers This question has been posed before, by numerous people, but I don't remember it ever being dealt with in any depth, or with any real honesty, so I'm posing it again: If you believe that Maharishi was enlightened (in at least Cosmic Consciousness as he defined it, let alone Unity Consciousness as he defined it), WHY do you believe this? I ask because, try as I might I never once, in all the years I studied with him and was around him, heard Maharishi claim to be enlightened. Not once. I have met or encountered on the Internet *many* people whose experience was the same as mine; they cannot think of a single occasion on which he actually claimed to be in any higher state of consciousness. And yet, day after day we hear people talking on this and other forums as if Maharishi's enlightenment could be *assumed*, that it's a Done Deal, and a fact. They stake their entire reputations on this. I'm wondering WHY. If you're one of these people, convinced that Maharishi was enlightened, could you possibly explain WHY you feel this way? Thanks in advance...
[FairfieldLife] making amends to merudanda
Word swamp used in literary tradition of To Esme With Love and Squalor by JD Salinger. Also used in feminine tradition of biblical Ruth, If you welcome me to, I will follow where you go. Lastly, as shared before, swamp to me conveys richness, teeming with life, etc. The basis of the garden. Something very positive. I apologize for my part in any misunderstanding.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: snip-who wants to fly away Oh, start it earlier:oh father in heaven forgive how i could miss that part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=1\ 3m00s Otherwise it kills the funniest line in the film (by me, anyway). snip Hey Jude I knew you do not luv me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=5\ 095s I can't do anything right!-did you hear the gun shot-- [:D] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=\ \ 5095s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Oh God, hilarious...but is Burt pulling on his chest hair at one point?! He sure is. That is such a beautifully acted, written (by Jerry Belson), and directed (by Reynolds himself) scene. The film (The End) drags a bit in spots, but it has some brilliant scenes (including one with Robby Benson as a neophyte priest hearing Reynolds's confession). snip
[FairfieldLife] Bad Habits
No, the Subject line is *not* a prelude to some cafe rap about my degenerate ways; it's actually the name of the cafe I am sitting in. It's quite a pleasant place, with an international clientele and a nice outdoor area where they keep the umbrellas open in case of sporadic rain ( which is a way of saying that the umbrellas are always open; it's the Netherlands :-). Besides, they have Westmalle Tripel beer (and at 2-3 Euros less than other cafes charge), so I can sit here with my computer and watch the passersby and just rap, while enjoying the fruits of Trappist monks' labor. Life is good. What I feel like rapping about is a saying or tenet or dictum that one tends to find in almost every spiritual teaching or tradition: What you focus on, you become. The thing that astounds me sometimes as I cruise cyberspace, and listen in to what long-term proponents of these spiritual teachings and traditions talk about, is the large number of them who focus on life *not* being good. They tend to focus on negative stuff -- bummers. I mean -- pick *any* forum, at random -- and you're likely to find far more posts about the Coming Apocalypse, or American politics (which is pretty much *by definition* negative), or their ailments and which healer du jour is hopefully going to cure them, or arguments about dogma, or (because they've been going on for so long that no one can remember what they're about) arguments about arguments. When they *do* talk about positive things -- experiences that most would consider spiritual or uplifting -- the experiences described almost always tend to be in the past, stories about how shiny such-and-such experience was while in the presence of such-and-such teacher years or decades ago. WTF? What happened to having spiritual experiences in the present? Most raps on most forums that most people would consider positive or uplifting are about either things that happened in the past, or about things they anticipate (and hope for) in the future. At best 10% of the participants ever find anything positive about their here-and-now lives to talk about. You might not think it, based on some of the things I write here (where I tend to fall into Bad Habits and write for this particular audience), but I have positive -- even spiritual -- experiences all the time. If it's been more than a couple of days since I've had a Class A uplifting experience, I take it as a sign that something is off and that I should Lighten The Fuck Up and start looking around more. But then, when it comes to finding uplifting things in my environment *when* I look around, I'm kind of a cheap date. I can get high as a kite hearing the laughter of a child, or watching a pretty girl walk by. In fact, that's what occasioned this rap. A lovely girl just walked by, and the very sight of her got me high as a kite and triggered what many here would call witnessing. It *wasn't* lust, and it *wasn't* any kind of prurient interest. It was her walk, and her demeanor, and her smile, and the fact that she was so UN-self-conscious about all of these things. She wasn't trying to attract attention; that was, in fact, the very thing that caught my attention. She was just walking along the street -- bouncing along, really -- full of joy and full of appreciation for her life, and *completely unaware of her self* and all those problems that selves tend to have. She was completely content with herself, *in the moment*, so much so that if I'd stopped her and asked how she felt about herself, she'd have probably looked at me as if I were crazy, because it would have never even occurred to her that she *had* a self. This, to me, was a better lesson or teaching on the nature of selflessness than any lecture or talk by any spiritual teacher in the world. You could read every scripture in the world and not find a better and more clear exposition of what selflessness is all about. But like I said, I'm kind of a cheap date where these things are concerned. I guess what I'm saying is that I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing a bit more of that kind of selflessness on so-called spiritual forums. If you're offended by what I say, and your first impulse is to lash out at me, that's self talking. Bad Habits. If you feel that way, prove me wrong and write a post or two today about TODAY, and what you have experienced TODAY that you found uplifting or spiritual. If you can't, don't you think you deserve a refund for all the time, money, and energy you've put into the spiritual path you've been following?
[FairfieldLife] Playing TV Catch-Up
It's been a hectic period for me -- first packing up and moving, then moving, then unpacking, all while trying to keep up a fairly normal work schedule -- so I've let my TV watching slide. Mea culpa. :-) But things have lightened up a bit, so in the past few days I've been able to catch up on a few series that some on this forum follow and occasionally discuss. So here are a few impressions after catching up on these series. Breaking Bad. Still a contender for the Best Television Series Ever. True Blood. Fighting harder to keep my attention than it fought last year (good work on the nudity, guys!), but still fighting for it. The Newsroom. Gawd help me, but I still like it. And I stand by my earlier assertion that people are out to get it. In recent days *fake* stories have appeared widely in the media, stories whose intent was to discredit the series or its creator and writer, Aaron Sorkin. In the first, almost every paper and Net outlet in the world picked up the story that he had fired his entire staff of writers, and would be starting with a completely new staff next season. Bzzt. Not true. Then a story appeared claiming that one of his coworkers, who appeared briefly in one episode, was his girlfriend. Bzzt. Not true. Someone's really got it in for this series, which continues to lead me to hope that it'll sweep the Emmys this coming year. Weeds. Still struggling to keep me interested, not doing as well as True Blood is. Warehouse 13. Failing miserably to hold my attention, despite the charms of Jaime Murray. Continuum. NO PROBLEM with this one continuing to keep me interested. Yes, on one level it's just a formulaic, predictable cop show. But on another level it's about the corporate takeover of North America, and thus it's a cop show with a set of balls. Line Of Duty. Belated thanks to the person here who turned me on to it. Dark fuckin' show, but really, really well done. I've downloaded but not yet seen another UK series called Blackout, and the American politico soap opera Political Animals, and the UK show Hit Miss. If you've not heard of the last one, it stars Chloe Sevigny as a transsexual hit man. Woman. Whatever. :-) I also have a bunch of movies in my To Be Watched list, but haven't gotten to them yet because I rarely have two hours to devote to one. But when I do, the one I'll probably start with is a documentary I've heard about for some time called My Reincarnation. It's about the son of a famous Tibetan lama who is recognized as a tulku (reincarnation of a famous past spiritual master), but who is seriously considering abandoning the whole tradition to embrace the world. My kinda movie...it's like a modern-day version of the story of the original Turquoise Bee (the Sixth Dalai Lama). Looking forward to having the time to watch it. http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi4561945/ http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi4561945/ http://www.imdb.com/video/wab/vi2006358041/ http://www.imdb.com/video/wab/vi2006358041/
[FairfieldLife] Back to black
Once more I will have to take a longer break from. I wish you all a good time, don't take things too seriously in my absence. Can't say exactly when I come back, but not before 2 month. It was an enjoyable time with you mostly, sometimes a little heated with some, but I felt also some really good things came out. Now iranitea will leave for good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJAfLE39ZZ8
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Robin, do you believe the story from that lady to be the truthful ? So Judith, was the MMY into 'mission style' or did he like 'doggie style'?, come on, Enquiring minds want to know. Did you engage in cunnilingus at any time? Did MMY's beard ever get caught in your mouth, how did that work out? Yuck! Spit it out girl!! or is it all in your mind? Some things in this life are better left unsaid, unwritten. This happens to be one of those things. The Universe (not to sound too grandiose here) kind of cringed when you wrote this wgm4u.
[FairfieldLife] Re: making amends to merudanda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Word swamp used in literary tradition of To Esme With Love and Squalor by JD Salinger. Also used in feminine tradition of biblical Ruth, If you welcome me to, I will follow where you go. Lastly, as shared before, swamp to me conveys richness, teeming with life, etc. The basis of the garden. Something very positive. I apologize for my part in any misunderstanding. Huh? Dear Share, for me I need to apologize better and more often. I know this. For you, maybe you should try apologizing less and see what a stretch it would be for you! Then we could both compare notes on our different experiences. But I think you're great, this is not a criticism, think of it as an experiment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Back to black
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: Once more I will have to take a longer break from. I wish you all a good time, don't take things too seriously in my absence. Can't say exactly when I come back, but not before 2 month. It was an enjoyable time with you mostly, sometimes a little heated with some, but I felt also some really good things came out. Now iranitea will leave for good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJAfLE39ZZ8 Enjoy your travels, dude...wherever the road may take you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkJqKOb0ZhY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Playing TV Catch-Up
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Breaking Bad. Still a contender for the Best Television Series Ever. Any show that could inspire the Animated .GIF Deva the way the death of Gus Fring did has *got* to be at the top of that list. http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/2011/10/10_gustavodemise.gif http://youtu.be/R6CjCEyAJ2s I'm just bummed that the final season will be aired as 2 mini-seasons of 8 episodes each. The final 8 won't start airing until a year from now. Another series I've been groovin' on is Burn Notice.
[FairfieldLife] Icaria, an Iowa Utopia
Icaria. Interesting life-cycle of a utopian group, w/ principles becoming dogma and rigid personalities in the middle of its own 'in the here and now' by comparison, Icaria in Iowa: http://www.past2present.org/own/annalsonline/AdamsCo/A1867April_Icaria.pdf
[FairfieldLife] Inaccessibility
From http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/04/jean-paul-bourdiers-bodys_n_174\ 1013.html#slide=1330307 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/04/jean-paul-bourdiers-bodys_n_17\ 41013.html#slide=1330307
Re: [FairfieldLife] Clint endorses the Mittiot
What is particularly disturbing about this article is that Clint Eastwood is such a long time TMer and it makes him look like some kind of...social Darwinist. Just think of all the people he must hate!:) Loved the comments following the article! From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 6:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Clint endorses the Mittiot Thinks the country needs a boost? More likely if the Mittiot wins it will be goosed or cooked goose. http://news.yahoo.com/clint-eastwood-endorsing-romneys-presidential-bid-234505229.html So much for Clint CI. Helena Handbasket is sure busy these days.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
On Aug 3, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:52 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com wrote: See how all the most holy monks in Rishikish came to pay their respects to Maharishi the very morning after his first assignation with Judith Bourque. They, these enlightened monks, could never have conceived of Maharishi doing what he did the night before--and Judith describes Tatwalababa massaging Maharishi's feet after we have been together. So much for omniscience, huh Robindra? ;-) Either that, or Tat Wala Baba knew what MMY had been up to and gave him a foot rub to recharge his shakti. Interesting thought. I kinda lost any hope that TWB had such omniscience when he was so sadly and brutally murdered.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: making amends to merudanda
Maybe couldn't help myself. Today is Forgiveness Day (-: From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 8:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: making amends to merudanda --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Word swamp used in literary tradition of To Esme With Love and Squalor by JD Salinger. Also used in feminine tradition of biblical Ruth, If you welcome me to, I will follow where you go. Lastly, as shared before, swamp to me conveys richness, teeming with life, etc. The basis of the garden. Something very positive. I apologize for my part in any misunderstanding. Huh? Dear Share, for me I need to apologize better and more often. I know this. For you, maybe you should try apologizing less and see what a stretch it would be for you! Then we could both compare notes on our different experiences. But I think you're great, this is not a criticism, think of it as an experiment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
This is testimony to the feminization of FFL that has taken place over the last few months. Four lady posters in the top six. I think that may be a first. And if anyone ever doubted that men and women are very, very different creatures, just look at the posting styles on this forum. In general (and of course there are exceptions to every rule) the men like to duke it out, all fire and ego, while the women pour balm on troubled waters and encourage one another in sisterhood. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jul 28 00:00:00 2012 End Date (UTC): Sat Aug 04 00:00:00 2012 592 messages as of (UTC) Fri Aug 03 23:54:46 2012 57 Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... 44 Share Long sharelong60@... 44 Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... 43 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 33 awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com 31 authfriend jstein@... 27 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 26 wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com 26 Bhairitu noozguru@... 25 Buck dhamiltony2k5@... 23 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 23 Vaj vajradhatu@... 23 Robert babajii_99@... 20 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 18 iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com 15 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... 14 feste37 feste37@... 14 Rick Archer rick@... 13 sparaig LEnglish5@... 12 Richard J. Williams richard@... 8 John jr_esq@... 7 emptybill emptybill@... 6 marekreavis reavismarek@... 5 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... 4 seventhray1 steve.sundur@... 3 raunchydog raunchydog@... 3 merlin vedamerlin@... 3 eustace10679 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 3 Susan wayback71@... 3 Dick Mays dickmays@... 2 wleed3 WLeed3@... 2 stevelf ysoy10li@... 2 salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... 2 Yifu yifuxero@... 2 WLeed3@... 2 Richard richard@... 1 azgrey no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 Seraphita s3raphita@... 1 JohnY john_youells@... 1 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... Posters: 40 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
I met TWB only days before he was murdered. I walked up the side of the mountain to his cave with a doctor on his way to give TWB a cortisone shot for either hip or back pain. That was October of '73. In October of '95 or '96. I met with one of his devotees at his cave and as I recall, the devotee told me that TWB had a premonition, only moments before he was assassinated, that he was about to die. As I recall, it seems TWB would not recognize some yogi in Rishikesh as being *all that* and the yogi hired a guy to shoot him with a shot gun. I think the trigger guy actually got away with it, only a couple of years in prison, because he was under the influence of a *powerful yogi*. I think the so called yogi walked. From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque On Aug 3, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:52 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com wrote: See how all the most holy monks in Rishikish came to pay their respects to Maharishi the very morning after his first assignation with Judith Bourque. They, these enlightened monks, could never have conceived of Maharishi doing what he did the night before--and Judith describes Tatwalababa massaging Maharishi's feet after we have been together. So much for omniscience, huh Robindra? ;-) Either that, or Tat Wala Baba knew what MMY had been up to and gave him a foot rub to recharge his shakti. Interesting thought. I kinda lost any hope that TWB had such omniscience when he was so sadly and brutally murdered.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Question to FFLers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: This question has been posed before, by numerous people, but I don't remember it ever being dealt with in any depth, or with any real honesty, so I'm posing it again: If you believe that Maharishi was enlightened (in at least Cosmic Consciousness as he defined it, let alone Unity Consciousness as he defined it), WHY do you believe this? If the anecdotes by David Fiske on TM-News several years back are true, IMO he must have been in Unity Consciousness. (Apparently going through walls, controlling peoples minds from far away, and stuff...heh...)
[FairfieldLife] Detention
What would have happened if John Hughes would have paired with Kurt Vonnegut to write a screenplay for a teen comedy/horror movie? It would probably have turned out like Detention, an unexpected gem that I watched last night. So the opening prologue is not that unusual as it is a little bit with a rebellious teen girl (not unlike the one in God Bless America) who meets her end. With other films this witty little opening would settle down into some kind of narrative. Nope, the entire film is that way, witty dialog and action finely melted together. Like Hughes this film gets into social commentary of the age group, in fact of many age groups but to understand that you'll need to watch the movie. At times I was even reminded of Aaron Sorkin's writing. Director Joseph Kahn is more known for music videos and he has successfully achieved making the use of that style into a feature film. In a period of too many me too films with log lines like a bunch of teenages on a weekend camping trip encounter this one is truly unique. Not to say however it doesn't have it's homages (like to the Scream films). I rented it from Redbox but you can also find it as an online rental too at Vudu, YouTube Movies, Amazon etc. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1701990/
[FairfieldLife] Mens and Womens~'Domes to Switch Positions'...
Recently it has been recognised that there is such a thing as 3-D Vastu... And Therefore, it has been noticed that the 'Ladies Dome' is on higher ground than the 'Men's Dome'... Being that the element of air, vayu and the 'Purusha Value of Shiva'... Men should be closer to the sky and on higher ground... Meanwhile it has been written that the 'Female Value of Shakti' is a more earth value and therefore, will be closer to grounding in the lower level dome... Determination of date of switch shall be announced... 'There is nothing so constant as change'... ~Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Question to FFLers
As the 'Big Self' is established, this intuitive self grows and grows... By reflecting back onto itself, instead of the 'outside surface reflections of the intellect, emotions, mind, senses, and the material world... One, instead forms a habit to look within, constantly... That is where this 'Intutitve Knowingness' comes from... Could it be 'Any Other Way?'... How else could you 'Feel Yourself to Be Enlightened' by some 'OUtside Acknowledgement?'... Would an E.E.G. prove it to you? If you saw someone 'Levitate' would that get you off? Or could you only find the 'Peace of God' as the 'A Course IN Miracles'...states over and over again.. By 'Transcending the Small Self, The Ego'... The 'False Identity that is continually fed in this world...of materialisation of egos competing for attention by other egos... Or could you expand what you feel is yourself, and pass through to an Eternal Dimension.? Who could do it besides you? Maharishi can't do it for you... Or that guy that took his own life... Or that guy that those Germans followed to their deaths, last time around that arrogant block... Or for that matter...either could Ramana Maharishi or Mooji or or Gangaji, or Moses or Jesus or Mohhamed, or or or...ad infinitum... Brahm is all that there Is... So, what is this Brahm the Vedas Speak Of??? That is the 64,000 dollar question... Stay tuned...don't touch that dial...and we'll be right back... on the E.I B. Network from Sunny Palm Beach Florida... Good Morning, Rose Marie...where you are! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: This question has been posed before, by numerous people, but I don't remember it ever being dealt with in any depth, or with any real honesty, so I'm posing it again: If you believe that Maharishi was enlightened (in at least Cosmic Consciousness as he defined it, let alone Unity Consciousness as he defined it), WHY do you believe this? If the anecdotes by David Fiske on TM-News several years back are true, IMO he must have been in Unity Consciousness. (Apparently going through walls, controlling peoples minds from far away, and stuff...heh...)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Playing TV Catch-Up
On 08/04/2012 06:16 AM, turquoiseb wrote: It's been a hectic period for me -- first packing up and moving, then moving, then unpacking, all while trying to keep up a fairly normal work schedule -- so I've let my TV watching slide. Mea culpa. :-) But things have lightened up a bit, so in the past few days I've been able to catch up on a few series that some on this forum follow and occasionally discuss. So here are a few impressions after catching up on these series. Breaking Bad. Still a contender for the Best Television Series Ever. True Blood. Fighting harder to keep my attention than it fought last year (good work on the nudity, guys!), but still fighting for it. The Newsroom. Gawd help me, but I still like it. And I stand by my earlier assertion that people are out to get it. In recent days *fake* stories have appeared widely in the media, stories whose intent was to discredit the series or its creator and writer, Aaron Sorkin. In the first, almost every paper and Net outlet in the world picked up the story that he had fired his entire staff of writers, and would be starting with a completely new staff next season. Bzzt. Not true. Then a story appeared claiming that one of his coworkers, who appeared briefly in one episode, was his girlfriend. Bzzt. Not true. Someone's really got it in for this series, which continues to lead me to hope that it'll sweep the Emmys this coming year. Weeds. Still struggling to keep me interested, not doing as well as True Blood is. Warehouse 13. Failing miserably to hold my attention, despite the charms of Jaime Murray. Continuum. NO PROBLEM with this one continuing to keep me interested. Yes, on one level it's just a formulaic, predictable cop show. But on another level it's about the corporate takeover of North America, and thus it's a cop show with a set of balls. Line Of Duty. Belated thanks to the person here who turned me on to it. Dark fuckin' show, but really, really well done. I've downloaded but not yet seen another UK series called Blackout, and the American politico soap opera Political Animals, and the UK show Hit Miss. If you've not heard of the last one, it stars Chloe Sevigny as a transsexual hit man. Woman. Whatever. :-) I also have a bunch of movies in my To Be Watched list, but haven't gotten to them yet because I rarely have two hours to devote to one. But when I do, the one I'll probably start with is a documentary I've heard about for some time called My Reincarnation. It's about the son of a famous Tibetan lama who is recognized as a tulku (reincarnation of a famous past spiritual master), but who is seriously considering abandoning the whole tradition to embrace the world. My kinda movie...it's like a modern-day version of the story of the original Turquoise Bee (the Sixth Dalai Lama). Looking forward to having the time to watch it. http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi4561945/ http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi4561945/ http://www.imdb.com/video/wab/vi2006358041/ http://www.imdb.com/video/wab/vi2006358041/ Louis CK had Robin Williams as a guest star this week. It was a great episode. Parker Posey was a guest star in the previous two episodes. Louis is in the area because he has a role in Woody Allen's new film which is shooting in San Francisco. First time Woody has made a film in the US in years. You're being tuned out of Warehouse 13 as I think Syfy is focusing on a younger demographic. Most of their new series episodes show this. Continuum has one more episode for the season and I see they posted something about a preview of the second season though no renewal has been announced. Nothing announced either about it playing on a US network though it's been signed for several other countries. If it gets signed for Syfy it probably wouldn't show up until next summer at the earliest so folks are hoping for a streaming release instead. And... it is looks like the US economy is catching up with the satellite and cable industry: http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/DirecTV-loses-subscribers-for-first-time-in-2Q-3757230.php I also find that The L A Complex on CW does a decent job of portraying Hollywood unabashedly. Entourage took it from a successful star's and his buddies standpoint but this one shows the trials and tribulations of newcomers. Jewel Staite (Firefly) has a good role in this series as an older actress trying to stay working.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Question to FFLers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: As the 'Big Self' is established, this intuitive self grows and grows... By reflecting back onto itself, instead of the 'outside surface reflections of the intellect, emotions, mind, senses, and the material world... One, instead forms a habit to look within, constantly... There is seamless continuity from inside to outside so looking within really does not have a lot of meaning. Inside/Outside is not significant, unless of course it is significant for you. That is where this 'Intutitve Knowingness' comes from... It does not come from anywhere because everywhere is the same place, in a manner of speaking. Could it be 'Any Other Way?'... No. But it might seem that way. How else could you 'Feel Yourself to Be Enlightened' by some 'OUtside Acknowledgement?'... That might be nice, but who are you going to trust to give you a clue? Would an E.E.G. prove it to you? No. If you saw someone 'Levitate' would that get you off? I would be surprised. Or could you only find the 'Peace of God' as the 'A Course IN Miracles'...states over and over again.. Finders keepers (except Robin). By 'Transcending the Small Self, The Ego'... The 'False Identity that is continually fed in this world...of materialisation of egos competing for attention by other egos... Transcending is going beyond. Once you get to the beyond, how can you transcend? The joke is, you did not have to go anywhere. Transcending is a myth, perhaps a useful one, it is part of a magician's misdirection. Transcending is like letting the air out of a hot tire, the stuff that keeps you running around all over the place. Once all your tires are permanently flat, you can appreciate the world without having to be driven. Or could you expand what you feel is yourself, and pass through to an Eternal Dimension.? Expansion is another misdirection. Who could do it besides you? Maharishi can't do it for you... Or that guy that took his own life... Or that guy that those Germans followed to their deaths, last time around that arrogant block... Or for that matter...either could Ramana Maharishi or Mooji or or Gangaji, or Moses or Jesus or Mohhamed, or or or...ad infinitum... Brahm is all that there Is... Except if you call it something, you have a great opportunity to lose sight of it (metaphorically speaking). So, what is this Brahm the Vedas Speak Of??? Now you are going off track. That is the 64,000 dollar question... Wrong question. Try running out of questions. No lifetime can produce more than a finite number of queries, so luck is on your side. Stay tuned...don't touch that dial...and we'll be right back... on the E.I B. Network from Sunny Palm Beach Florida... Good Morning, Rose Marie...where you are! With regard to Turq's question below. Maharishi never said as far as I am familiar that he was enlightened. He described a state he called enlightenment. If enlightenment exists, how to tell? Anybody can believe that there is a thing called enlightenment. That is an opinion. A belief is simply a false substitute for knowledge. But then how do we know if we know something rather than just believe it? Enlightenment is spoken of as a concrete state of experience, and yet it is said to be beyond description, so nothing one can say about it could possibly be true, as any description would not be it. Therefore you cannot really tell anybody what it might be. And thus anybody hearing such a description could possibly know anything on the basis of that description. We have been tricked! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: This question has been posed before, by numerous people, but I don't remember it ever being dealt with in any depth, or with any real honesty, so I'm posing it again: If you believe that Maharishi was enlightened (in at least Cosmic Consciousness as he defined it, let alone Unity Consciousness as he defined it), WHY do you believe this? If the anecdotes by David Fiske on TM-News several years back are true, IMO he must have been in Unity Consciousness. (Apparently going through walls, controlling peoples minds from far away, and stuff...heh...)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: I met TWB only days before he was murdered. I walked up the side of the mountain to his cave with a doctor on his way to give TWB a cortisone shot for either hip or back pain. That was October of '73. In October of '95 or '96. I met with one of his devotees at his cave and as I recall, the devotee told me that TWB had a premonition, only moments before he was assassinated, that he was about to die. As I recall, it seems TWB would not recognize some yogi in Rishikesh as being *all that* and the yogi hired a guy to shoot him with a shot gun. I think the trigger guy actually got away with it, only a couple of years in prison, because he was under the influence of a *powerful yogi*. I think the so called yogi walked. That’s a pretty incredible story. Are you implying this was Mahesh or was it some other “yogi”?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
Vag, Are you just fucked up or fucked up? Your answer to fucking around, Dan Friedman --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: I met TWB only days before he was murdered. I walked up the side of the mountain to his cave with a doctor on his way to give TWB a cortisone shot for either hip or back pain. That was October of '73. In October of '95 or '96. I met with one of his devotees at his cave and as I recall, the devotee told me that TWB had a premonition, only moments before he was assassinated, that he was about to die. As I recall, it seems TWB would not recognize some yogi in Rishikesh as being *all that* and the yogi hired a guy to shoot him with a shot gun. I think the trigger guy actually got away with it, only a couple of years in prison, because he was under the influence of a *powerful yogi*. I think the so called yogi walked. That's a pretty incredible story. Are you implying this was Mahesh or was it some other yogi?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad Habits
turq, fuck you and you'll fucked. eat your own shit for a while prick. i'm ready fuck you fucker you'll get piged fucker how --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: No, the Subject line is *not* a prelude to some cafe rap about my degenerate ways; it's actually the name of the cafe I am sitting in. It's quite a pleasant place, with an international clientele and a nice outdoor area where they keep the umbrellas open in case of sporadic rain ( which is a way of saying that the umbrellas are always open; it's the Netherlands :-). Besides, they have Westmalle Tripel beer (and at 2-3 Euros less than other cafes charge), so I can sit here with my computer and watch the passersby and just rap, while enjoying the fruits of Trappist monks' labor. Life is good. What I feel like rapping about is a saying or tenet or dictum that one tends to find in almost every spiritual teaching or tradition: What you focus on, you become. The thing that astounds me sometimes as I cruise cyberspace, and listen in to what long-term proponents of these spiritual teachings and traditions talk about, is the large number of them who focus on life *not* being good. They tend to focus on negative stuff -- bummers. I mean -- pick *any* forum, at random -- and you're likely to find far more posts about the Coming Apocalypse, or American politics (which is pretty much *by definition* negative), or their ailments and which healer du jour is hopefully going to cure them, or arguments about dogma, or (because they've been going on for so long that no one can remember what they're about) arguments about arguments. When they *do* talk about positive things -- experiences that most would consider spiritual or uplifting -- the experiences described almost always tend to be in the past, stories about how shiny such-and-such experience was while in the presence of such-and-such teacher years or decades ago. WTF? What happened to having spiritual experiences in the present? Most raps on most forums that most people would consider positive or uplifting are about either things that happened in the past, or about things they anticipate (and hope for) in the future. At best 10% of the participants ever find anything positive about their here-and-now lives to talk about. You might not think it, based on some of the things I write here (where I tend to fall into Bad Habits and write for this particular audience), but I have positive -- even spiritual -- experiences all the time. If it's been more than a couple of days since I've had a Class A uplifting experience, I take it as a sign that something is off and that I should Lighten The Fuck Up and start looking around more. But then, when it comes to finding uplifting things in my environment *when* I look around, I'm kind of a cheap date. I can get high as a kite hearing the laughter of a child, or watching a pretty girl walk by. In fact, that's what occasioned this rap. A lovely girl just walked by, and the very sight of her got me high as a kite and triggered what many here would call witnessing. It *wasn't* lust, and it *wasn't* any kind of prurient interest. It was her walk, and her demeanor, and her smile, and the fact that she was so UN-self-conscious about all of these things. She wasn't trying to attract attention; that was, in fact, the very thing that caught my attention. She was just walking along the street -- bouncing along, really -- full of joy and full of appreciation for her life, and *completely unaware of her self* and all those problems that selves tend to have. She was completely content with herself, *in the moment*, so much so that if I'd stopped her and asked how she felt about herself, she'd have probably looked at me as if I were crazy, because it would have never even occurred to her that she *had* a self. This, to me, was a better lesson or teaching on the nature of selflessness than any lecture or talk by any spiritual teacher in the world. You could read every scripture in the world and not find a better and more clear exposition of what selflessness is all about. But like I said, I'm kind of a cheap date where these things are concerned. I guess what I'm saying is that I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing a bit more of that kind of selflessness on so-called spiritual forums. If you're offended by what I say, and your first impulse is to lash out at me, that's self talking. Bad Habits. If you feel that way, prove me wrong and write a post or two today about TODAY, and what you have experienced TODAY that you found uplifting or spiritual. If you can't, don't you think you deserve a refund for all the time, money, and energy you've put into the spiritual path you've been following?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
turqy is the bigest asshle sucking bitch. he will get some shit in his --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of wgm4u --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the Sexy Sadie file and other info that there were many more. I don't know where you're getting 2 or 3. Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted You want notarized photos? I have a quote from one of Maharishi's lesser-known videotapes. In it he says: Let's face it, I fucked `em all. I mean, that's what I do. That's why I went to school. I mean, they're always there and I don't know what I'm apologizing for, so sometimes I fuck `em. I go into the room and they're so great looking, you know...and they feel great and they smell great...you know, and I could be just on the street or stop at a stop light or go into an elevator or there's a beautiful girl. I don't know...I mean, that's it it makes my day makes me feel like I'm gonna live forever. As far as I'm concerned, with what I'd like to have done at this point in my life...I know I should've accomplished more but I got no regrets Jesus aahhh... maybe that means I don't love them. Maybe that means I don't love you. I don't know. Nobody's gonna tell me I don't like `em very much. Oh. Wait. I just looked at the label on the videotape, and it wasn't Maharishi after all. That was Warren Beatty, in the film Shampoo. Never mind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Question to FFLers
prick your fucking is dead --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: This question has been posed before, by numerous people, but I don't remember it ever being dealt with in any depth, or with any real honesty, so I'm posing it again: If you believe that Maharishi was enlightened (in at least Cosmic Consciousness as he defined it, let alone Unity Consciousness as he defined it), WHY do you believe this? I ask because, try as I might I never once, in all the years I studied with him and was around him, heard Maharishi claim to be enlightened. Not once. I have met or encountered on the Internet *many* people whose experience was the same as mine; they cannot think of a single occasion on which he actually claimed to be in any higher state of consciousness. And yet, day after day we hear people talking on this and other forums as if Maharishi's enlightenment could be *assumed*, that it's a Done Deal, and a fact. They stake their entire reputations on this. I'm wondering WHY. If you're one of these people, convinced that Maharishi was enlightened, could you possibly explain WHY you feel this way? Thanks in advance...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
fuck your moth the way you like. shits herem fucken shit you --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of wgm4u --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the Sexy Sadie file and other info that there were many more. I don't know where you're getting 2 or 3. Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted You want notarized photos? I have a quote from one of Maharishi's lesser-known videotapes. In it he says: Let's face it, I fucked `em all. I mean, that's what I do. That's why I went to school. I mean, they're always there and I don't know what I'm apologizing for, so sometimes I fuck `em. I go into the room and they're so great looking, you know...and they feel great and they smell great...you know, and I could be just on the street or stop at a stop light or go into an elevator or there's a beautiful girl. I don't know...I mean, that's it it makes my day makes me feel like I'm gonna live forever. As far as I'm concerned, with what I'd like to have done at this point in my life...I know I should've accomplished more but I got no regrets Jesus aahhh... maybe that means I don't love them. Maybe that means I don't love you. I don't know. Nobody's gonna tell me I don't like `em very much. Oh. Wait. I just looked at the label on the videotape, and it wasn't Maharishi after all. That was Warren Beatty, in the film Shampoo. Never mind.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 4:30 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: I met TWB only days before he was murdered. I walked up the side of the mountain to his cave with a doctor on his way to give TWB a cortisone shot for either hip or back pain. That was October of '73. In October of '95 or '96. I met with one of his devotees at his cave and as I recall, the devotee told me that TWB had a premonition, only moments before he was assassinated, that he was about to die. As I recall, it seems TWB would not recognize some yogi in Rishikesh as being *all that* and the yogi hired a guy to shoot him with a shot gun. I think the trigger guy actually got away with it, only a couple of years in prison, because he was under the influence of a *powerful yogi*. I think the so called yogi walked. That's a pretty incredible story. Are you implying this was Mahesh or was it some other yogi? Some other yogi. MMY loved TWB, and was in Switzerland when he was murdered. The news came as quite a shock to him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 4:30 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: I met TWB only days before he was murdered. I walked up the side of the mountain to his cave with a doctor on his way to give TWB a cortisone shot for either hip or back pain. That was October of '73. In October of '95 or '96. I met with one of his devotees at his cave and as I recall, the devotee told me that TWB had a premonition, only moments before he was assassinated, that he was about to die. As I recall, it seems TWB would not recognize some yogi in Rishikesh as being *all that* and the yogi hired a guy to shoot him with a shot gun. I think the trigger guy actually got away with it, only a couple of years in prison, because he was under the influence of a *powerful yogi*. I think the so called yogi walked. That's a pretty incredible story. Are you implying this was Mahesh or was it some other yogi? Some other yogi. MMY loved TWB, and was in Switzerland when he was murdered. The news came as quite a shock to him. Rick, you just spoiled Vaj's day!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
Oh no! Not Maharishi. I don't remember the name of the guy or it wasn't told to me. But the guy never implied that it was *Mahesh*. From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: I met TWB only days before he was murdered. I walked up the side of the mountain to his cave with a doctor on his way to give TWB a cortisone shot for either hip or back pain. That was October of '73. In October of '95 or '96. I met with one of his devotees at his cave and as I recall, the devotee told me that TWB had a premonition, only moments before he was assassinated, that he was about to die. As I recall, it seems TWB would not recognize some yogi in Rishikesh as being *all that* and the yogi hired a guy to shoot him with a shot gun. I think the trigger guy actually got away with it, only a couple of years in prison, because he was under the influence of a *powerful yogi*. I think the so called yogi walked. That’s a pretty incredible story. Are you implying this was Mahesh or was it some other “yogi”?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: San Bernardino broke-files for bankruptcy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: From: sparaig LEnglish5@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 8:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: San Bernardino broke-files for bankruptcy  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: [...] Biggest expense?, pay and benefits for police and firefighters. UNION GREED! Provide for the common good is usually the justification for the existence of governments. What specifically, about paying for police and firefighters, do you object to? That they get paid too much? L Yeah, I believe so, their pay and benefits are outrageous compared to the working stiff! I notice that even though they get a paid more than they are worth, it seems that you aren't a card carrying member of their union... IOW you aren't a firefighter or policeman. What, they pay too MUCH to entice you to work in the field? L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affa ir-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html I realize that once you get to inner circle status, people start to talk more and more about celibacy, but even so, she makes it sound like MMY was recommending that everyone be celibate. I'd say that 99+% of the TMers of the world have never heard anything about the subject, either way. I can't judge whether or not she's telling the truth about the affair, but I can say that she's damning by implication. Additionally, talking about walking the talk... MMY very carefully said over and over again NOT to try to walk his walk, at least, that what *I* heard as a non-teacher. Additionally, his movement wasn't doing all that well when she was with him. This was between the Beatles and the Merv Griffith cycle, and I wouldn't say that it was that big in 1970. Maybe to her, but not to the rest of the world. Whether it's conscious or not, she's definitely in a self-justication mode, IMHO. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Oh no! Not Maharishi. I don't remember the name of the guy or it wasn't told to me. But the guy never implied that it was *Mahesh*. Vaj knows that. He wasn't asking for information, he was hoping that by posing the question, he could plant the idea that MMY had Tat Wala Baba killed out of pique in the minds of those reading FFL who don't know any better-- about MMY, or about Vaj's malicious dishonesty. It's almost impossible to fathom the depths of Vaj's capacity for hatred, or his willingness to act on that hatred to do harm. From: Vaj vajradhatu@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque  On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: I met TWB only days before he was murdered. I walked up the side of the mountain to his cave with a doctor on his way to give TWB a cortisone shot for either hip or back pain. That was October of '73. In October of '95 or '96. I met with one of his devotees at his cave and as I recall, the devotee told me that TWB had a premonition, only moments before he was assassinated, that he was about to die. As I recall, it seems TWB would not recognize some yogi in Rishikesh as being *all that* and the yogi hired a guy to shoot him with a shot gun. I think the trigger guy actually got away with it, only a couple of years in prison, because he was under the influence of a *powerful yogi*. I think the so called yogi walked. Thatâs a pretty incredible story. Are you implying this was Mahesh or was it some other âyogiâ?Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Stupa of Tibetan Buddhism, Ketut too (-:
Which karma is that? Do you really have proof of the various allegations that kicked around here? L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: snip Balinese medicine man Ketut from Eat Pray Love: To lose balance sometimes for love is part of living a balanced life. Do watch the interview on Rick's post.  She believes she is helping to clean up Maharishi's karma re: his not walking his talk on celibacy and says some other incredibly sweet and simply and insightful things that apply to us all, as human's.  Who/what will clean up his karma related to finances?   From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 9:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Great Stupa of Tibetan Buddhism, Ketut too (-:  Marnia Robinson writes: Take, for example, the ancient Tibetan Buddhist myth, The Great Stupa. It confirms that passion is indeed the reason for mankind's fallen state, and says there are three paths to liberation: ~the overcoming of passion through renunciation ~the neutralization of passion by pouring all one's energy into selfless service ~the conquering of passion through controlled indulgence. That is, using sex itself in such a way as to transcend passion's treacherous downward suction. It says that the third path is the fastest and most powerful path, although also the easiest one to fall from...until one masters it. The myth, which is very old, predicted there would come a time when the unstable energies produced by increased indulgence in passion would create chaos at both seen and unseen levels across the globe. The first two paths, celibacy and compassionate service to others, would no longer open the door to enlightenment, though they would remain useful spiritual disciplines. Why? Because general unrest would render impossible the necessary degree of inner stillness. Instead, only the third path, balance with a partner, would serve. Apparently a loving relationship, devoted entirely to the goal of transcendence, can create enduring inner peace and stability. In this way, we can reconnect the broken circuit of gender and permanently rise about our built-in sense of lack. By contrast, celibacy still allows gender polarity to create severe longings in many of us, if only for simple loving touch. And I suspect this trait is less a product of moral weakness than a result of the easily inflamed body chemistry that we have bred into ourselves for millennia. These bothersome longings may also mask intense yearnings for reunion with our Source. The silver lining? Many of us are apparently now primed for shared enlightenment should we care to use our urges for a higher end. from Marnia Robinson's Peace Between the Sheets, pg 137-8 Balinese medicine man Ketut from Eat Pray Love: To lose balance sometimes for love is part of living a balanced life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8csr68LjUMfeature=relmfu
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
Maharishi encouraged celibacy but also said *we don't need to take vows*. He indicated, that taking a vow before you're ready, was not good for you. I'm not so sure he took one either although his passport ID'd him as Bal-Brahmacharya(life celibate). From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 5:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affa ir-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html I realize that once you get to inner circle status, people start to talk more and more about celibacy, but even so, she makes it sound like MMY was recommending that everyone be celibate. I'd say that 99+% of the TMers of the world have never heard anything about the subject, either way. I can't judge whether or not she's telling the truth about the affair, but I can say that she's damning by implication. Additionally, talking about walking the talk... MMY very carefully said over and over again NOT to try to walk his walk, at least, that what *I* heard as a non-teacher. Additionally, his movement wasn't doing all that well when she was with him. This was between the Beatles and the Merv Griffith cycle, and I wouldn't say that it was that big in 1970. Maybe to her, but not to the rest of the world. Whether it's conscious or not, she's definitely in a self-justication mode, IMHO. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
Yes Judy, I should have picked that up. I don't read many of his posts but do remember him as one who has a distinct distaste for M and TM. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 5:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Oh no! Not Maharishi. I don't remember the name of the guy or it wasn't told to me. But the guy never implied that it was *Mahesh*. Vaj knows that. He wasn't asking for information, he was hoping that by posing the question, he could plant the idea that MMY had Tat Wala Baba killed out of pique in the minds of those reading FFL who don't know any better-- about MMY, or about Vaj's malicious dishonesty. It's almost impossible to fathom the depths of Vaj's capacity for hatred, or his willingness to act on that hatred to do harm. From: Vaj vajradhatu@... To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: I met TWB only days before he was murdered. I walked up the side of the mountain to his cave with a doctor on his way to give TWB a cortisone shot for either hip or back pain. That was October of '73. In October of '95 or '96. I met with one of his devotees at his cave and as I recall, the devotee told me that TWB had a premonition, only moments before he was assassinated, that he was about to die. As I recall, it seems TWB would not recognize some yogi in Rishikesh as being *all that* and the yogi hired a guy to shoot him with a shot gun. I think the trigger guy actually got away with it, only a couple of years in prison, because he was under the influence of a *powerful yogi*. I think the so called yogi walked. That’s a pretty incredible story. Are you implying this was Mahesh or was it some other “yogi”?
[FairfieldLife] Dan Friedman
Mr Friedman, you vocabulary seems have undergone considerable attrition compared to earlier posts. Perhaps you should have a neurologist check you for brain damage, just as a precaution. If you lose any more words, you may be mute for the rest of your life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://www.liloumace.com/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi-Celibate-Guru-had-a-love-affair-Judith-Bourque_a2078.html She smiles as she plunges the dagger deep into the heart and soul of MMY's reputation, and for what?, a few coins of silver for her cheap book?, is Judith Bourque MMY's Judas? or a tormented soul hiding beneath flower covered dresses? Seems to me that the person who destroyed his *own* reputation was the guy who plunged his dick deep into Judith Bourque and a number of other women. If you're looking for a tortured soul, it seems to me that it would be the person who did this while claiming to be celibate. Actually, I've discovered at least one public interview from teh late 60's where MMY left it ambiguous what his status was and what he felt about the subject. OTOH, it is entirely possible that his obsession with celibacy for purusha was his own guilt-feelings coming to the surface. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dan Friedman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Mr Friedman, you vocabulary seems have undergone considerable attrition compared to earlier posts. Perhaps you should have a neurologist check you for brain damage, just as a precaution. If you lose any more words, you may be mute for the rest of your life. I seriously doubt it's the Dan Friedman who used to post here who has made these posts. If he were going to spew obscenities, which is unlikely, the posts would at least be literate. These are just obscene gibberish. I think some crazy person must have swiped his account somehow.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus God, these horses just kill me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: http://www.dressage-news.com/?p=17028 Carl Hester rode the top scoring ride today for Britain. Fabulous Dutch horse. Wish I had the video to post, but alas. Here ya go, Ann. NBC has videos of many events as well as live streaming. Hester is masterful, Uthopia is a gorgeous horse from head to tail. http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/equestrian/highlights-carl-hesters-individual-dressage-ride.html I'm on vacation in Michigan, just north of Oscoda on Lake Huron, haven't posted much. I've been taking long walks on the shore, toes in sugar sand, enjoying a nice breeze coming off the lake, just relaxing and visiting family. In the evening I've had eyes glued to the Olympics, women's gymnastics, swimming and beach volleyball. All glory to gymnast, Gabby Douglas! Fabulous! Only 4'11, just a little bit of a thing, but, oh what a powerhouse. She won gold for Women's All Round. Number one and best in the world. Gabby trains in West Des Moines, Iowa. My granddaughter, a budding gymnast, love-love-loves her! Here's Gabby's winning Floor Exercise: http://www.nbcolympics.com/wthr/video/gymnastics/highlight-gabby-douglas-floor-exercise-in-all-around-final.html The precision and years of training required of a gymnast is every bit as demanding as it is for dressage, both exquisitely beautiful and thrilling to watch. Dear Raunchydog, So glad there is some FFL poster who is watching the Olympics and saw the glorious performance of the irreisistible and celestially bouncing Gabby Douglas--what a beautiful creature she is. There is no form of athletics which asks so much as does gymnastics does--not even the Decathlon. I like that someone in the world felt the sensations that I did in watching Gabby's individual performance--and would communicate this on FFL. Does this mean that your granddaughter knows and trains in the same facility as does Gabby Douglas? Gee, sure wish she could train in Des Moines. It's two hours from Fairfield and super expensive. The only way to train there is to live there. Gabby moved there from her family in Virginia Beach when she was only 14 years old. Juliette isn't at that level of performance yet, someday maybe. She's currently training four days a week in Fairfield. It's quite enough for now. Gymnastics has been a wonderful self-confidence builder for her. She works hard and is progressing nicely. We just hope she stays motivated enough to get a collage scholarship. Her first intra-team competition was two weeks ago. She won 1st All Around, 1st Uneven Bars, 1st Beam, 2nd Vault and 2nd Floor Exercise. Beam video: http://youtu.be/lNdWwl4oYpo As you can see the Fairfield Parks and Rec gym where she trains is way too small. Considering the limitations of the facility, I give her coach a lot of credit for starting from scratch with just a few beginners and developing their skills as well as he has. Links to more videos and team pictures are on Facebook: Gymnastics Fans of Fairfield Iowa. Well, I will remember you tonight, Raunchydog, when I watch the NBC coverage. Bob Costas, the Jesus Christ of sports announcers, I figure. But all the NBC colour commentators--for swimming, for gymnastics, for volleyball--they are all superb. We might, here on FFL, have the basis of a water polo team--you know: all that blood in the water left after the Hungary and Soviet Union match in 1956. But Share refuses to pull anyone under the water and smash at them with her fists. The rest of us know the rules of water polo and play the game as hard as it has to be played here in the FFL pool. To be an Olympian, might be the best experience anyone can have of physical achievement--and something well beyond that.. Did you see those US women eights row to victory yesterday? The Olympics in London, there has never been anything like it. And the highlight for me is the performance of the US Fab Five--and Gabby especially. Enough. Enjoy Lake Huron. Robin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: This is testimony to the feminization of FFL that has taken place over the last few months. Four lady posters in the top six. I think that may be a first. Very interesting observation, feste. Also interesting who the two men are in the top six. ;-) And if anyone ever doubted that men and women are very, very different creatures, just look at the posting styles on this forum. In general (and of course there are exceptions to every rule) the men like to duke it out, all fire and ego, while the women pour balm on troubled waters and encourage one another in sisterhood. Most of the women here do both, actually (they don't duke it out with each other but with some of the men), and a few of the men do both as well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jul 28 00:00:00 2012 End Date (UTC): Sat Aug 04 00:00:00 2012 592 messages as of (UTC) Fri Aug 03 23:54:46 2012 57 Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ 44 Share Long sharelong60@ 44 Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ 43 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 33 awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com 31 authfriend jstein@ 27 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 26 wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com 26 Bhairitu noozguru@ 25 Buck dhamiltony2k5@ 23 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 23 Vaj vajradhatu@ 23 Robert babajii_99@ 20 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 18 iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com 15 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ 14 feste37 feste37@ 14 Rick Archer rick@ 13 sparaig LEnglish5@ 12 Richard J. Williams richard@ 8 John jr_esq@ 7 emptybill emptybill@ 6 marekreavis reavismarek@ 5 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ 4 seventhray1 steve.sundur@ 3 raunchydog raunchydog@ 3 merlin vedamerlin@ 3 eustace10679 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 3 Susan wayback71@ 3 Dick Mays dickmays@ 2 wleed3 WLeed3@ 2 stevelf ysoy10li@ 2 salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ 2 Yifu yifuxero@ 2 WLeed3@ 2 Richard richard@ 1 azgrey no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 Seraphita s3raphita@ 1 JohnY john_youells@ 1 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ Posters: 40 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
Sounds like Dan might be experiencing some roughness of awareness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 no_reply@... wrote: fuck your moth the way you like. shits herem fucken shit you --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of wgm4u --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the Sexy Sadie file and other info that there were many more. I don't know where you're getting 2 or 3. Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted You want notarized photos? I have a quote from one of Maharishi's lesser-known videotapes. In it he says: Let's face it, I fucked `em all. I mean, that's what I do. That's why I went to school. I mean, they're always there and I don't know what I'm apologizing for, so sometimes I fuck `em. I go into the room and they're so great looking, you know...and they feel great and they smell great...you know, and I could be just on the street or stop at a stop light or go into an elevator or there's a beautiful girl. I don't know...I mean, that's it it makes my day makes me feel like I'm gonna live forever. As far as I'm concerned, with what I'd like to have done at this point in my life...I know I should've accomplished more but I got no regrets Jesus aahhh... maybe that means I don't love them. Maybe that means I don't love you. I don't know. Nobody's gonna tell me I don't like `em very much. Oh. Wait. I just looked at the label on the videotape, and it wasn't Maharishi after all. That was Warren Beatty, in the film Shampoo. Never mind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
Hey, Joe, how you doon? Long time no type. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: Sounds like Dan might be experiencing some roughness of awareness. I don't think it's Dan making these posts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 no_reply@ wrote: fuck your moth the way you like. shits herem fucken shit you --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of wgm4u --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the Sexy Sadie file and other info that there were many more. I don't know where you're getting 2 or 3. Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted You want notarized photos? I have a quote from one of Maharishi's lesser-known videotapes. In it he says: Let's face it, I fucked `em all. I mean, that's what I do. That's why I went to school. I mean, they're always there and I don't know what I'm apologizing for, so sometimes I fuck `em. I go into the room and they're so great looking, you know...and they feel great and they smell great...you know, and I could be just on the street or stop at a stop light or go into an elevator or there's a beautiful girl. I don't know...I mean, that's it it makes my day makes me feel like I'm gonna live forever. As far as I'm concerned, with what I'd like to have done at this point in my life...I know I should've accomplished more but I got no regrets Jesus aahhh... maybe that means I don't love them. Maybe that means I don't love you. I don't know. Nobody's gonna tell me I don't like `em very much. Oh. Wait. I just looked at the label on the videotape, and it wasn't Maharishi after all. That was Warren Beatty, in the film Shampoo. Never mind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
Hey Judy, I'm OK. I hardly ever check in anymore but I did see that interview with my good friend Judith and that made me think of FFL and ...well, here I am. I don't know how anyone could see or sit with Judith and doubt her truthfulness about her relationship with MMY. She remains one of the sweetest women my wife and I have ever met. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Hey, Joe, how you doon? Long time no type. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Sounds like Dan might be experiencing some roughness of awareness. I don't think it's Dan making these posts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 no_reply@ wrote: fuck your moth the way you like. shits herem fucken shit you --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of wgm4u --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I know the names of at least six, and it's clear from the Sexy Sadie file and other info that there were many more. I don't know where you're getting 2 or 3. Where's the beef?? No innuendo accepted You want notarized photos? I have a quote from one of Maharishi's lesser-known videotapes. In it he says: Let's face it, I fucked `em all. I mean, that's what I do. That's why I went to school. I mean, they're always there and I don't know what I'm apologizing for, so sometimes I fuck `em. I go into the room and they're so great looking, you know...and they feel great and they smell great...you know, and I could be just on the street or stop at a stop light or go into an elevator or there's a beautiful girl. I don't know...I mean, that's it it makes my day makes me feel like I'm gonna live forever. As far as I'm concerned, with what I'd like to have done at this point in my life...I know I should've accomplished more but I got no regrets Jesus aahhh... maybe that means I don't love them. Maybe that means I don't love you. I don't know. Nobody's gonna tell me I don't like `em very much. Oh. Wait. I just looked at the label on the videotape, and it wasn't Maharishi after all. That was Warren Beatty, in the film Shampoo. Never mind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus God, these horses just kill me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: http://www.dressage-news.com/?p=17028 Carl Hester rode the top scoring ride today for Britain. Fabulous Dutch horse. Wish I had the video to post, but alas. Here ya go, Ann. NBC has videos of many events as well as live streaming. Hester is masterful, Uthopia is a gorgeous horse from head to tail. http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/equestrian/highlights-carl-hesters-individual-dressage-ride.html I'm on vacation in Michigan, just north of Oscoda on Lake Huron, haven't posted much. I've been taking long walks on the shore, toes in sugar sand, enjoying a nice breeze coming off the lake, just relaxing and visiting family. In the evening I've had eyes glued to the Olympics, women's gymnastics, swimming and beach volleyball. All glory to gymnast, Gabby Douglas! Fabulous! Only 4'11, just a little bit of a thing, but, oh what a powerhouse. She won gold for Women's All Round. Number one and best in the world. Gabby trains in West Des Moines, Iowa. My granddaughter, a budding gymnast, love-love-loves her! Here's Gabby's winning Floor Exercise: http://www.nbcolympics.com/wthr/video/gymnastics/highlight-gabby-douglas-floor-exercise-in-all-around-final.html The precision and years of training required of a gymnast is every bit as demanding as it is for dressage, both exquisitely beautiful and thrilling to watch. Dear Raunchydog, So glad there is some FFL poster who is watching the Olympics and saw the glorious performance of the irreisistible and celestially bouncing Gabby Douglas--what a beautiful creature she is. There is no form of athletics which asks so much as does gymnastics does--not even the Decathlon. I like that someone in the world felt the sensations that I did in watching Gabby's individual performance--and would communicate this on FFL. Does this mean that your granddaughter knows and trains in the same facility as does Gabby Douglas? Well, I will remember you tonight, Raunchydog, when I watch the NBC coverage. Bob Costas, the Jesus Christ of sports announcers, I figure. But all the NBC colour commentators--for swimming, for gymnastics, for volleyball--they are all superb. We might, here on FFL, have the basis of a water polo team--you know: all that blood in the water left after the Hungary and Soviet Union match in 1956. Thanks for the blood in the water reference. Hungary kicked Russia's butt and won the gold. Very cool story. Found it on Wikipedia. FFLife doesn't have a very deep bench for team sports, but we do have one notable pair of slippery teammates we should sponsor to win the gold for a sport best described as Fellatio on Ice: http://youtu.be/JBh_k2ieM84 But Share refuses to pull anyone under the water and smash at them with her fists. The rest of us know the rules of water polo and play the game as hard as it has to be played here in the FFL pool. To be an Olympian, might be the best experience anyone can have of physical achievement--and something well beyond that.. Did you see those US women eights row to victory yesterday? The Olympics in London, there has never been anything like it. And the highlight for me is the performance of the US Fab Five--and Gabby especially. Enough. Enjoy Lake Huron. Robin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video Interview: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Celibate Guru had a love affair - Judith Bourque
I think the C.I.A. Attempted to poison Maharishi is 1992, from Deepak Choprahs account of the incident... This is where Maharishi retreated to solitude, from that time onward... Osho also claims the C.I.A. poisoned him with a 'Radioactive Blanket' that they gave for him in his jail cell... He had claimed that he always felt sick after that, and died a couple of years later... Rumor has it that he really got off on watching orgies at his ashram in Oregon... They all got in trouble when they attempted a coup d' tait'. by poisoning the townspeople who were running for office... Many spent time in federal prison on account of this affair... Maharishi was not a Brahman by birth, but rather came from a business oriented family... He accumlated great wealth and had an appetie for women...beautiful woman women ... Mia Farrow was married to Frank Sanatra at the time... John Kennedy had many illicit affairs whilest Pres... Bill Clinton had an affair with Lew isky in the oval office... George W. Bush, ordered the 'Blitz of Bagdhad' in 2003... Martin Luther King, Jr...had affairs as well... Whether or not Maharishi had an affair with a woman, I don't see how this matters, whether one is 'Spiritual or Enlightened' or not?... It seems more like a Roman Catholic belief system, which has caused untold perversion in the church and untold suffering... What does it matter if Jesus had sex with Mary Magdalene? Does that make him any less of a great Teacher... Sex is a natural process of enjoyment and release and in the Tantric Tradition a way to gain enlightenment by control of the Shakti and with the blalace of the witnessing Para Purusha Shive quality... All throughout history many great spiritual people had sex because they wanted to and because they enjoyed it, and because it is an expression of love, like a dance a tantric dance of life... All souls enter the womb at the time of something to do with sex... We all came here because of sexual intercourse, between our Moms and our Dads... So, there is nothing wrong with being playful and having sensual experiences if one chooses to, if one is enlightened or not enlightened; whether one is a Buddhist or one is a Jew...whether one is a Mormon or whether one is Jehovahs Witness; whether one is a Democrat or one is a Republican... Even Nixon had sex... Clint Eastwood too... John Lennon... Paul McCartney... Do we obsess about these folks...? Do we say 'how deep did Paul go into Linda? No, that would be crude and out of tune out of harmony.. Robert I met TWB only days before he was murdered. I walked up the side of the mountain to his cave with a doctor on his way to give TWB a cortisone shot for either hip or back pain. That was October of '73. In October of '95 or '96. I met with one of his devotees at his cave and as I recall, the devotee told me that TWB had a premonition, only moments before he was assassinated, that he was about to die. As I recall, it seems TWB would not recognize some yogi in Rishikesh as being *all that* and the yogi hired a guy to shoot him with a shot gun. I think the trigger guy actually got away with it, only a couple of years in prison, because he was under the influence of a *powerful yogi*. I think the so called yogi walked. That's a pretty incredible story. Are you implying this was Mahesh or was it some other yogi? Some other yogi. MMY loved TWB, and was in Switzerland when he was murdered. The news came as quite a shock to him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dan Friedman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Mr Friedman, you vocabulary seems have undergone considerable attrition compared to earlier posts. Perhaps you should have a neurologist check you for brain damage, just as a precaution. If you lose any more words, you may be mute for the rest of your life. Remember, this is the same guy who started out at Fairfield Life trying to find out the real identities of posters he didn't like. At the time, folks suspected he might have intended to do them harm. It's good to know that instead he probably just wanted to yell at them like a crazy person. This must be what TMers mean when they use the word coherence. :-)
[FairfieldLife] 'Jesus said, Judge Not...lest ye be Judged'...
In regards to Maharishi's handling of money and his handling of the organization and his handling of sex, let us be fair and remember what the 'Beloved Master, Jesus Christ said about such things...as this... You guys built Maharishi up to where he became in your mind, something he was not... He is not God, and doesn't need to be worshipped as some kind of 'Der Fueruer, or something that reminds me of this...kind of total obediance and loyality which craves the opposite response from the oppostion, which says that 'Maharishi Committed Sin' and therefore he 'Should Not Be Forgiven of His Sins'... How stupid these people are that cannot accept the human side of the man... They need to lean on him and they need a God to lead them because they have no 'Self-Referral'...to go by So, they are just dull to the fact that Maharishi was just an enlightened man, with all the faults of an enlightened man... Jai Guru Dev
