Re: [FairfieldLife] Sleeper TV show
I've been watching it since the start, because I'm a real Robert Rodriguez fanboy. He's actually directed several of the episodes himself, including the first one where all hell breaks loose (somewhat literally) in the Titty Twister, Pandemonium. I agree that unlike many movies turned into TV series that don't do anything but pad out the original script, this one has added value. But the Rodriguez effort I'm really looking forward to is: Sin City: A Dame to Kill For (2014) Sin City: A Dame to Kill For (2014) Directed by Frank Miller, Robert Rodriguez. With Jessica Alba, Mickey Rourke, Rosario Dawson, Eva Green. The town's most hard-boiled citizens cross ... View on www.imdb.com Preview by Yahoo From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sleeper TV show OK, this is a weird thing to say. Some of you may remember the old cult classic vampire movie, From Dusk til Dawn. The producer has done a TV series remake, which is remarkably good. It's a character study and a hardcore blood and guts vampire story at the same time. Worth watching if you're into that kind of juxtaposition of opposites. L (proud that he used juxtaposition correctly in a real sentence)
[FairfieldLife] What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
They both suck without Cream. Yup, but here's a fascinating article about something we beat boys always knew instinctively. Science Shows How Drummers' Brains Are Actually Different From Everybody Elses' http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Science Shows How Drummers' Brains Are Actual... http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Their brains are in an artistic league of their own. View on www.policymic.com http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] HuffPost US vs. UK on the new Indian Prime Minister
Fascinating. The story at the first (US) link below is all cheery and newsy, and barely mentions that Narendra Modi is an extreme Hindu nationalist. Whereas the story at the second link (UK) provides a bit more information, including the fact that until recently Modi had been banned from Britain because of his extreme views and his involvement in the Gujarat riots, in which 2,000 Muslims were murdered. Modi later described those deaths as similar to accidentally running over a puppy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/15/india-election-2014_n_5334988.html http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/16/narendra-modi_n_5335402.html?utm_hp_ref=ukutm_hp_ref=uk Sure looks like the Age Of Enlightenment is alive and well in India...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Closing the South access on MIU campus. [?]
Someone who grew up in Fairfield (parents were TM fanatics) said that's about
right - that was when Marshy was telling everyone to act as if their regular
non-vastu homes were on fire. (meaning get the hell out of them and into a
MARSHY vastu ved home) Talk about fear mongering!
On Fri, 5/16/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Closing the South access on MIU campus. [?]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 2:46 AM
I asked an
older postal employee recently who
remembers in experience these things being 1993 when people
in town were either selling their homes and moving in to SV
or rectifying their existing homes reconstructing in
earnest moving their house entries away from the south of
their homes
and then re-positioned their mailboxes. -Buck
MJ
writes:
None of that had been done as
of summer of 1987
Thanks, that is helpful.-Buck
The
closing off the street entrances from the south before, that
was initiated before SV? Then the sidewalks from the south
closed too? Was initiating closing the streets before
SV and initially for campus security or all a part of SV
design? The fence
constructed on the south side of campus coming later with SV
or also out of practical security?
Back
in the 1980's I recall coming out of a community English
Country Dance one summer eve from the basement of the old
student
union, coming down the concrete stepped hillside behind the
Union to
the parking lot below along with a guy who was then a pastor
at the
early Fairfield [meditator] Liberal Catholic Church. A car
pulled up
to us with some townie high school age kids and one got out
as if
asking for directions. The kid step up to the pastor and
slugged him
full in the stomach. The pastor doubled over and the kid
jumped back
in to the car which sped off. All in an instant, the
assault was
like some native counting coo against the ru's.
So,
did closing access to the campus from along the south come
before Sthapatya Ved came along? Anybody remember the
sequence? The
years? Just wondering, -Buck
1989 (continued)
Maharishi Sthapatya Ved to awaken and enliven consciousness,
enliven
intelligence in the structure of inert matter, enliven the
whole in
every part, and raise every aspect of life to
perfection.
All these precious disciplines of Maharishi's Vedic
Science will
create
and maintain the Maharishi Effect for coherence in national
and
world
consciousness.
A History
Time-line of the Revolutionary Millenarian TM Movement
1955-'91
Here
is a Text Transcription of a glossy movement calendar
[1993?] published by MMY, a Heaven on Earth wall-calendar.
The calendar is a fabulous document that was poured over
by MMY as a publishing project. Has a whole historical
account and also a listing of the qualities of the Unified
Field. Very glossy with lots of color ink. Very
millenarian and a particular record of a very revolutionary
movement to that point that MMY wanted featured as a record.
It is an amazing document all together.
The calendar is in the State Historical Society
of Iowa collection in Iowa City.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/
groups/FairfieldLife/ conversations/topics/334300
FFL post #, 34300
A History
Time-line of the Revolutionary Millenarian TM Movement
1955-'91
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/334300
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Re: [FairfieldLife] A call to Inaction !
you are full of it Nabby - you were the one who claimed all the changes in these areas of the world were due to all the yogic flyers and purusha. On Fri, 5/16/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] A call to Inaction ! To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 7:24 AM Best headliner I've ever seen. Thanks Buck :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Transcendental Revolution..A call to Inaction! Enter the Vacuum State: Now its the Ukraine, Russia and the Crimea too. That part of the world has just festered too long in incoherence. The foreign policy of all good nations should be to deploy meditators in to the Crimea now, to occupy the Crimea with vibration of peace. It high is time to bring spirituality back to Russia and the Ukraine. As the science shows as is the experience we know, change in this case begins within. It is quite time to launch a landing of meditation in these troubled places. Mediation Meditation in collective consciousness by more meditators for world peace. It is time to launch a spiritual blessing for that part of the world for a substantial lasting cultural change there for everyone's peace and well-being. It is quite time to at least bring higher brain coherence functioning, if the parties there don't want to talk about higher spirituality. At the least deploy there going in with more meditation, show them the science, and have them teach their school children to meditate for all kinds of good modern materialistic reasons if they ever want to have any competitive chance in the world for their people and the future of their children. Practicality if not just Spirituality. There is all kind of good reason for meditation to be in there. -U.S. Buck Damn the Torpedoes. .. We need volunteers right now and then even conscription beyond this if we can't have the volunteers join in right away for world-wide service. Call up the reserves, even the young in their schools, the old too, the home-makers and the workers of our farms, factories and service industries, everyone. Like the old minute-soldiers of our frontier militias, the sons and daughters of liberty and committees of safety to deploy where ever they are, to stop in their busy outer lives and take the time to go within even for a moment's meditation where ever they Be! It is time to activate the transcendental meditator as mediator in field effect of peace everywhere. Creating an Ideal Society:The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME]. The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practising the Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. With the growth of individual consciousness, family consciousness, community consciousness, national consciousness, and world consciousness are enriched. More than one and a half million people currently practising the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. 12 January 1977 Brave meditators, you have done all we asked you to do, and more than could be reasonably expected; but your own global country of World Peace is at stake, your partners, families, your homes and all that you hold dear. You have worn yourselves out with fatigues and hardships of waging world peace, but we know not how to spare you. If you will consent to stay in the Domes only one month longer, you will render that service to the cause of liberty of all and to your global country of world peace which you probably never can do under any other circumstances. -Buck in the Dome Transcendental Meditation: Crime rate decreased in cities after one percent of their populations had begun practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique. -Editors Paper 98Improved Quality of Life Through The Transcendental Meditation Program:Decreased Crime Rate Paper 98IntroductionIn 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four
[FairfieldLife] Sexy Sadie
Sexy Sadie The Beatles (White Album) artwork Written by: Lennon-McCartney Recorded: 19, 24 July; 13, 21 August 1968 Producer: George Martin Engineer: Ken Scott Released: 22 November 1968 (UK), 25 November 1968 (US) John Lennon: vocals, backing vocals, acoustic guitar, rhythm guitar, Hammond organ Paul McCartney: backing vocals, bass, piano George Harrison: backing vocals, lead guitar Ringo Starr: drums, tambourine Available on: The Beatles (White Album) Anthology 3 John Lennon’s most acerbic song on the White Album, Sexy Sadie was a barbed tribute to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and was written during Lennon’s final hours in India. That’s about the Maharishi, yes. I copped out and I wouldn’t write ‘Maharishi, what have you done? You made a fool of everyone.’ But now it can be told, Fab Listeners. John Lennon Rolling Stone, 1970 Shortly after Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr left India, Lennon’s friend Alexis Mardas, also known as Magic Alex, arrived. Mardas had previously been known as Lennon’s ‘guru’, and was reportedly alarmed at seeing his influence upon Lennon waning. He is said to have started a rumour that the Maharishi had made a sexual advance towards one of the women on the meditation course. Alexis and a fellow female meditator began to sow the seeds of doubt into very open minds… Alexis’s statements about how the Maharishi had been indiscreet with a certain lady, and what a blackguard he had turned out to be gathered momentum. All, may I say, without a single shred of evidence or justification. It was obvious to me that Alexis wanted out and more than anything he wanted The Beatles out as well. Cynthia Lennon Mia Farrow has occasionally been identified as the object of the Maharishi’s desires, but McCartney and Harrison both denied this. It was a big scandal. Maharishi had tried to get off with one of the chicks. I said, ‘Tell me what happened?’ John said, ‘Remember that blonde American girl with the short hair? Like a Mia Farrow lookalike. She was called Pat or something.’ I said, ‘Yeah’. He said, ‘Well, Maharishi made a pass at her.’ So I said, ‘Yes? What’s wrong with that?’ ‘He said, ‘Well, you know, he’s just a bloody old letch just like everybody else. What the fuck, we can’t go following that!’ They were scandalised. And I was quite shocked at them; I said, ‘But he never said he was a god. In fact very much the opposite. He said, “Don’t treat me like a god, I’m just a meditation teacher.” There was no deal about you mustn’t touch women, was there? There was no vow of chastity involved.’ So I didn’t think it was enough cause to leave the whole meditation centre. Paul McCartney Many Years From Now, Barry Miles Regardless of its veracity, the rumour gave Lennon an excuse to leave India. As he waited to leave, he began writing the song that would become Sexy Sadie. That was written just as we were leaving, waiting for our bags to be packed in the taxi that never seemed to come. We thought: ‘They’re deliberately keeping the taxi back so as we can’t escape from this madman’s camp.’ And we had the mad Greek with us who was paranoid as hell. He kept saying, ‘It’s black magic, black magic. They’re gonna keep you here forever.’ I must have got away because I’m here. John Lennon, 1974 Lennon began singing his ode to the Maharishi as he and George Harrison drove to Delhi. John had a song he had started to write which he was singing: ‘Maharishi, what have you done?’ and I said, ‘You can’t say that, it’s ridiculous.’ I came up with the title of Sexy Sadie and John changed ‘Maharishi’ to ‘Sexy Sadie’. John flew back to Yoko in England and I went to Madras and the south of India and spent another few weeks there. George Harrison Anthology The opening lines may have been inspired by Smokey Robinson’s song I’ve Been Good To You, which begins with the lines: “Look what you’ve done/You made a fool of everyone”. One of Lennon’s favourites, the song was briefly busked by The Beatles during the Get Back sessions in January 1969. Derek Taylor recalled Lennon scratching the lyrics to Sexy Sadie into a piece of wood in the Apple offices. The wood was kept by Maureen Starkey, and was later sold to a Beatles collector. The Beatles recorded a demo of Sexy Sadie at George Harrison’s Esher bungalow in May 1968, along with 22 other contenders for the White Album. In the studio Although it was originally titled Maharishi, it was never recorded as that. However, during the first session for Sexy Sadie, on 19 July 1968, Lennon demonstrated to McCartney how it was originally conceived: You little twat Who the fuck do you think you are? Who the fuck do you think you are? Oh, you cunt The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions Mark Lewisohn The Beatles spent much of the session jamming and rehearsing Sexy Sadie, but eventually taped 21 takes of the song. According to Lewisohn, these varied between 5’36″ and 8’00″. Take
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 1:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on Yep, and yesterday's Zen Calendarquote is still good for today: “It is by silence that the saints grew, that it was because of silence that the power of [the Unified Field] grew in them, because of silence that the mysteries were known to them.” -The Desert Father Ammonas Doug, a couple of quick questions for you. I can't help but notice that you feel comfortable substituting the Maharishi buzzphrase the Unified Field for the word God in the quote above. Do you feel that the two terms are synonymous? If so, do you still feel that the TM technique, which promises to offer direct experience of this Unified Field and eventually union with it, is not religious?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sexy Sadie
On 5/16/2014 5:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Sexy Sadie You got to work /really/ early this morning. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on
Barry: You don't do TM, you don't have a God, and you are not established in Being. WTF do you care, and why are you not focused on yourself, instead of asking these pointless questions? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 1:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on Yep, and yesterday's Zen Calendar quote is still good for today: “It is by silence that the saints grew, that it was because of silence that the power of [the Unified Field] grew in them, because of silence that the mysteries were known to them.” -The Desert Father Ammonas Doug, a couple of quick questions for you. I can't help but notice that you feel comfortable substituting the Maharishi buzzphrase the Unified Field for the word God in the quote above. Do you feel that the two terms are synonymous? If so, do you still feel that the TM technique, which promises to offer direct experience of this Unified Field and eventually union with it, is not religious?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sexy Sadie
On 5/16/2014 5:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I copped out and I wouldn’t write ‘Maharishi, what have you done? The little fart John Lennon - while he was writing this silly little ditty, he refused to sleep with his own wife and tried to get his mistress in through the bathroom window. Got kicked out of the ashram for doing drugs - then abandoned his family for years neglecting his own son over in England. Barred from entering the U.S., Lennon went in to Canada to shack up with with Yoko Ono, lie in bed dressed in all white, sporting a beard, aping The Maharishi and snorting heroin. Went on TV and lied about MMY trying rape Mia Farrow. Go figure. From all reports I've read, a talented singer and song writer, but not a very pleasant guy to be around - a deadbeat dad, liar and hypocrite. Nice. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
I think he who knows nothing was making a reference to the occult, or something. Who knows? That is a case of the ego driving the mouth, and anything is possible. Beautiful combs! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : That's funny as shit! As I said... At least Judy thought she knew what Bawee was trying to say in those two sentences because I didn't have a clue. Not only was the phrasing strange but the concept was stranger still. And Bawee has purportedly written a thesis on this forum?! And what sort of accessories does he think we all have that are often-unintended? I, for one, love these little hair combs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Comments below... Especially coming from one of the Maharishi enlightened. What if what has been described as enlightenment in the past has *absolutely nothing* to do with personality or behavior? What if, just as those who described it in the past have said, it is purely about consciousness, having the ability to directly perceive eternality 24/7, and that ability has *absolutely nothing* to do with what is going on simultaneously in terms of personality and behavior? --Barry Wright, awhile back on alt.m.t This exchange illustrates my basic thesis on this forum. It REALLY DOESN'T MATTER what one *says* about people one doesn't like on FFL. All that matters is what the persons saying it do in their posts, as often-unintended accessories to what they say. Very curious to know what Barry believes peopledo in their posts other than say things (maybe attach an image or link to an article or YouTube video, but other than that?).
[FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
Good joke - does he really? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : They both suck without Cream. Yup, but here's a fascinating article about something we beat boys always knew instinctively. Science Shows How Drummers' Brains Are Actually Different From Everybody Elses' http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Science Shows How Drummers' Brains Are Actual... http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Their brains are in an artistic league of their own. View on www.policymic.com http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] HuffPost US vs. UK on the new Indian Prime Minister
On 5/16/2014 4:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Sure looks like the Age Of Enlightenment is alive and well in India... Never pass up an opportunity to win points in a religious debate with Judy, even if you have to stoop to mentioning a tragedy where thousands of people died in a riot and disparaging a whole nation of ethnic minorities. Barry is starting to sound like a neo-Nazi skinhead. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
On 5/16/2014 3:24 AM, salyavin808 wrote: They both suck without Cream. Addressing the important issues! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?
I think what Barry means by what [they] do in their posts is the spin he puts on what they say, whether that's what they intended or not--e.g., if you or I say something negative about Barry, it's because we're trying desperately to force him to respond to us. Of course, that cuts both ways--e.g., when Barry gratuitously demeans somebody, it's because he's desperately trying to make himself feel Important and Superior. (I do think fleetwood was referring not to those remarks of Barry's but rather to the startling quote I found on alt.m.t--now snipped--in which Barry suggests that enlightenment has no relationship to behavior.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : That's funny as shit! As I said... At least Judy thought she knew what Bawee was trying to say in those two sentences because I didn't have a clue. Not only was the phrasing strange but the concept was stranger still. And Bawee has purportedly written a thesis on this forum?! And what sort of accessories does he think we all have that are often-unintended? (snip) This exchange illustrates my basic thesis on this forum. It REALLY DOESN'T MATTER what one *says* about people one doesn't like on FFL. All that matters is what the persons saying it do in their posts, as often-unintended accessories to what they say. Very curious to know what Barry believes peopledo in their posts other than say things (maybe attach an image or link to an article or YouTube video, but other than that?).
[FairfieldLife] commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
As Rick Archer's quote said earlier, the only one wasting his time, is the one running around, shitting on others' spiritual paths. There are basically two approaches to enlightenment - either you go for it, or you don't. However, Barry and Curtis, have discovered a third way - You attempt enlightenment, spiritual liberation, for a few years, begin to doubt your progress, and the whole mechanism, drop out, and spend the rest of your life, as an angry outsider, looking in. This doesn't prevent either fool from spouting on at length about spiritual subjects, waaay out of their depth. Barry will comment on Maharishi and his enlightenment, without giving it a second thought - yes, like a legless man, coaching a track team, Barry knows it all. Barry and Curtis wouldn't know a good meditation experience, if it walked up and shook their hand. They are rank beginners, waiting anxiously to begin the process of discovering themselves. Let's not take the frightened murmurings of frightened boy as fact, or wisdom, and begin to recognize it for what it really is. This is not to say, that spiritual topics do not have many sides, and some controversy. However we would much rather hear form those with more experiences than these disgruntles neophytes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sleeper TV show
On 5/16/2014 2:09 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I've been watching it since the start, because I'm a real Robert Rodriguez fanboy. Typical America violent warfare stuff - perfect for a neo_Nazi skinhead Texas hick living over in flea-town playing games on a laptop and watching TV in his bedroom all day and night - all alone. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, even it's a chat room on the internet. Go figure. Like anyone on this forum would be interested in watching a dumb Rodriquez movie. LoL! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] making a mountain out of a molehill - Barry's 'enlightenment'
This guy just cracks me up, when I think about it - he is so smug and know-it-all, about things he knows nothing about. I had mentioned his TWO WEEKS OF LIFETIME WITNESSING, as his mental equivalent of living Being; Unbounded Awareness. In other words, Barry thinks he has experienced everything there is to know about the full sunshine of cosmic eternal enlightenment, because he experienced TWO WEEKS of witnessing. TWO WHOLE WEEKS! He also, by his own admission, had ZERO experiences with the TM siddhis program. You all know how the sutras work, right? After some reasonable establishment of Being, first, with TM, then the sutra is invoked, and produces results, if there is Being present. If not, you get what Barry got - nothing, no results. Finally, Barry claims to have seen a lot of things that he has simply made up, and insists we believe it, too. I'm kind of leery of that, myself, since this guy has pretty much zero spiritual experience and is making his assertions, based on make-believe. So, just remember, the next time Barry starts talking BIG, he has NO spiritual experience, except for his TWO WEEKS of witnessing, decades ago, which he now refers to as just another experience, trying unsuccessfully to give up on his now shattered dream, of enlightenment. Yep, TWO WHOLE WEEKS of witnessing for Barry - Lifetime total.
Re: [FairfieldLife] commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
On 5/16/2014 7:32 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Barry and Curtis wouldn't know a good meditation experience, if it walked up and shook their hand. They are rank beginners, waiting anxiously to begin the process of discovering themselves. Rank beginners? These two guys, by all accounts, were leaders in the movement for twenty years - they are both experts at selling the snake-oil for money. Is this some kind of mind-game they are playing, or are they really just nuts with nothing to do since they got kicked out? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] Cafe Zen
Sun on face, beer on table Hotel California on the sound system My kinda cafe Friday While others on this forum demonstrate their spiritual advancement by trying to get those who disagree with them, you'll have to forgive me if I prefer to just sit in a sunny cafe and take in the scene. The first thing I notice is that no one in the cafe is arguing, or seems to feel they need to. No one is trying to sell anything, whether it be their belief in something, or their disbelief. No one is trying to demonstrate their superiority. In fact, most of them seem to be far more in the moment and actually *enjoying* the moment than any of the spiritual elite on FFL have been in years. Go figure. Across the cafe young woman with waist-length red hair feels the sun on it and shakes her head with joy and twenty people pause in mid-sentence brought to silence by the beauty of the lightdance
Re: [FairfieldLife] commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
The Turq admits he was in the Movement because of the nice girls that were easy to seduce. When he left, voluntarily or not, he left spiritually empty handed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/16/2014 7:32 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Barry and Curtis wouldn't know a good meditation experience, if it walked up and shook their hand. They are rank beginners, waiting anxiously to begin the process of discovering themselves. Rank beginners? These two guys, by all accounts, were leaders in the movement for twenty years - they are both experts at selling the snake-oil for money. Is this some kind of mind-game they are playing, or are they really just nuts with nothing to do since they got kicked out? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] making a mountain out of a molehill - Barry's 'enlightenment'
On 5/16/2014 7:46 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Barry claims to have seen a lot of things that he has simply made up, and insists we believe it, too. Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation events because he knows nobody would believe him. If this is is the extent of his spiritual experience, then we should all look elsewhere for any real spiritual help on our search for the truth. Nobody is going to get anything but made-up claims of super-normal powers from this guy, Uncle Tantra. Shit, he doesn't even have a real, live Shakti. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Cafe Zen
Touche On Friday, May 16, 2014 6:03 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Sun on face, beer on table Hotel California on the sound system My kinda cafe Friday While others on this forum demonstrate their spiritual advancement by trying to get those who disagree with them, you'll have to forgive me if I prefer to just sit in a sunny cafe and take in the scene. The first thing I notice is that no one in the cafe is arguing, or seems to feel they need to. No one is trying to sell anything, whether it be their belief in something, or their disbelief. No one is trying to demonstrate their superiority. In fact, most of them seem to be far more in the moment and actually *enjoying* the moment than any of the spiritual elite on FFL have been in years. Go figure. Across the cafe young woman with waist-length red hair feels the sun on it and shakes her head with joy and twenty people pause in mid-sentence brought to silence by the beauty of the lightdance
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Zen
It's good that you're taking a break from demonstrating your spiritual advancement by trying to get those who disagree with you, Barry. While others on this forum demonstrate their spiritual advancement by trying to get those who disagree with them, you'll have to forgive me if I prefer to just sit in a sunny cafe and take in the scene.
[FairfieldLife] Re: making a mountain out of a molehill - Barry's 'enlightenment'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : This guy just cracks me up, when I think about it - he is so smug and know-it-all, about things he knows nothing about. I had mentioned his TWO WEEKS OF LIFETIME WITNESSING, as his mental equivalent of living Being; Unbounded Awareness. In other words, Barry thinks he has experienced everything there is to know about the full sunshine of cosmic eternal enlightenment, because he experienced TWO WEEKS of witnessing. TWO WHOLE WEEKS! He also, by his own admission, had ZERO experiences with the TM siddhis program. You all know how the sutras work, right? After some reasonable establishment of Being, first, with TM, then the sutra is invoked, and produces results, if there is Being present. If not, you get what Barry got - nothing, no results. Finally, Barry claims to have seen a lot of things that he has simply made up, and insists we believe it, too. I'm kind of leery of that, myself, since this guy has pretty much zero spiritual experience and is making his assertions, based on make-believe. So, just remember, the next time Barry starts talking BIG, he has NO spiritual experience, except for his TWO WEEKS of witnessing, decades ago, which he now refers to as just another experience, trying unsuccessfully to give up on his now shattered dream, of enlightenment. Yep, TWO WHOLE WEEKS of witnessing for Barry - Lifetime total. Well I've had two whole years of witnessing Bawee. Does that count for any brownie points? Have I suffered enough yet?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sexy Sadie
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/16/2014 5:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I copped out and I wouldn’t write ‘Maharishi, what have you done? The little fart John Lennon - while he was writing this silly little ditty, he refused to sleep with his own wife and tried to get his mistress in through the bathroom window. Got kicked out of the ashram for doing drugs - then abandoned his family for years neglecting his own son over in England. Barred from entering the U.S., Lennon went in to Canada to shack up with with Yoko Ono, lie in bed dressed in all white, sporting a beard, aping The Maharishi and snorting heroin. Went on TV and lied about MMY trying rape Mia Farrow. Go figure. From all reports I've read, a talented singer and song writer, but not a very pleasant guy to be around - a deadbeat dad, liar and hypocrite. Nice. John Lennon as a minor God. Witty, kind, intelligent as hell, brilliant musician, troubled human and always my favorite Beatle. What a terrible end he came to riddled with bullets and lying in a river of his own blood. I wish he could have time to have found more peace on this Earth. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Closing the South access on MIU campus. [?]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Someone who grew up in Fairfield (parents were TM fanatics) said that's about right - that was when Marshy was telling everyone to act as if their regular non-vastu homes were on fire. (meaning get the hell out of them and into a MARSHY vastu ved home) Talk about fear mongering! I'm certainly glad I got out of Dodge when I did. Things were just starting to move in the direction of building these TM neighborhoods and people were investing in lots and houses. I'm pretty sure I would have made sure I built everything facing south as a result of all of this hype. I'm like that - just such an upstart jerk at times.
[FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : As Rick Archer's quote said earlier, the only one wasting his time, is the one running around, shitting on others' spiritual paths. There are basically two approaches to enlightenment - either you go for it, or you don't. C: But you never did go for it Jim. You are a couch quarterback for the Maharishi team. J: However, Barry and Curtis, have discovered a third way - You attempt enlightenment, spiritual liberation, for a few years, begin to doubt your progress, and the whole mechanism, drop out, and spend the rest of your life, as an angry outsider, looking in. C: So you are thinking that spiritual life is some kind of contest that you can win and then lord over others? I am unfamiliar with this spiritual path Jim. I think you are confused here. I didn't doubt my progress I grew into a world view that did not recognize Maharishi's world view and perspective on my inner experience as authoritative. The anger routine you and Nabbie run is all projection. I am sharing my views on a subject that I am interested in here just as you do. J: This doesn't prevent either fool from spouting on at length about spiritual subjects, waaay out of their depth. C: I don't believe you and I would come to a consensus opinion about what the term spiritual refers to, so your opinion about my views is irrelevant to me. IF you are trying to self promote yourself as an expert in these matters, that will not happen for me. J: Barry will comment on Maharishi and his enlightenment, without giving it a second thought - yes, like a legless man, coaching a track team, Barry knows it all. J: Barry and Curtis wouldn't know a good meditation experience, if it walked up and shook their hand. C: Here you are disagreeing with Maharishi and his representatives who certified us both as experts in his meditation. Both of us were involved in years of advanced courses devoted to the development of experience with Maharishi's programs for higher states of consciousness and when both of us left we were trusted leaders in the organization. You can't rewrite history Jim. You may disagree with my opinion about Maharishi's teaching now, but as far as us ever experiencing what you are making such a fuss about, we are bot certified in it and you are a self proclaimed expert with no formal training comparatively. Not only would we both know a good meditation we were trained to evaluate claims by people like you. J: They are rank beginners, waiting anxiously to begin the process of discovering themselves. Let's not take the frightened murmurings of frightened boy as fact, or wisdom, and begin to recognize it for what it really is. C: Here you are just being a troll. Your attempt to elevate your position as expert in Maharishi's teaching is only going to fly with Nabbie who has entered in a collusion of not challenging each other ridiculous claims. I met many Sidhas like you Jim. Trying to bypass Maharishi's movement cast system in a self created power struggle with the teachers. If you are so into Maharishi's teaching why didn't you actually study it in any depth? Do you regret that? When I went to spend 4 years at Sidhaland after 4 years at MIU it was to perfect the sidhis on Maharishi's invitation. Where were you Jim? The invitation was open to everyone. Perhaps all this animosity is a projection of your own lack of commitment to Maharishi's programs. As far as I am concerned I gave him 100% when I was in. You are the dilettante in his teaching. But understanding his teaching is not your goal. You think you can use this as a form of oneupmanship personally. What's with that routine? Do you know what it reveals about you? J:This is not to say, that spiritual topics do not have many sides, and some controversy. However we would much rather hear form those with more experiences than these disgruntles neophytes. C: Nice try at a I'm really not unhinged save Jim. The tern disgruntled is a sophist trick. I left the movement because my further studies revealed to me the issues with Maharishi's world view. I grew out of it and gained much self knowledge in the process. It is a continuing process of growth as I discuss topics here that interest me. I saw your Batgap interview. I have read mountains of your posts proclaiming yourself as a special person with superior experiences to others here. It comes off as wacky and narcissistic Jim. I don't judge you for your experiences as much as for the lack of creative output you have shown in your writing. As Louis Armstrong said you blows what you is. And what you are putting down here is what I would sum up as dim self-serving unpleasantness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on
I am very happy to have been of some small service to the lady who recently got TM booted out of her son's school in San Francisco. Also my North Carolina buddy who has done TM since 1972 and recently ceased and desisted in part due to info I gave him is coming to visit this very evening. I think we'll make plans of how to neuter the TMO and maybe go glass a few TM'ers -wait, we aren't in the Scorpion Nation, we're in SC!!! On Fri, 5/16/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 11:57 AM Very fair observation, Fleetwood. And facing the enemies combatant who actively fight gainst larger spirituality, meditating an Maharishi. The anti-meditation neganauts even arrayed here. Especially the indictment of their negativist position of obstructing and keeping meditation from school educational design is no better than those religious nuts kidnapping all those school girls and selling them in to Islamic slavery. Certainly with people like those Nigerian religious ideological nuts in the news now, bringing in the drones and special forces to hunt them down, some of our own enemies combatant could certainly be hunted down as criminals against humanity for their ignorant and wrong asocial behaviors.-Buck in the Dome Yep, and yesterday's Zen Calendar quote is still good for today: “It is by silence that the saints grew, that it was because of silence that the power of [the Unified Field] grew in them, because of silence that the mysteries were known to them.” -The Desert Father Ammonas Fleetwood_macncheese writes: Boys, boys -- lest we get distracted. The original point was about, on the one hand, your relative lack of self-reported spiritual experience, and, on the other, your fantasized expertise, regarding same. I see a lot of hot air, but no answers to such a question. I admit it is a very tough question for either of you to address, head on, and I really don't expect as much. I am simply asking that you both be aware of your utter lack of experience, to back up any spiritual claims you may attempt. A little self-reflection would be very helpful, for either of you. fleetwood_macncheese writes: Enlightenment. Funny, because no one talks about this topic here, despite this forum's alleged purpose. Fellows like Barry (or Bawee) who criticizes Maharishi endlessly, haven't had a good meditation during this century. The criticizers have just a very small amount of spiritual experience between them. Even Curtis, the musician guy who meditated and rounded, with Sidhis, for 15 years, is not established in Being. So we have those here, who denigrate every bit of Maharishi's teaching, Guru Dev, TM and the siddhis. But these critics are not established in Being. They have weak and empty spiritual lives, and rather than working on that, they find it a great and happy distraction, to focus, instead, on someone else's perceived failings. That is not the purpose of this forum, to take pot shots at others, because of your own failures. I hope that Barry, Curtis and Michael all take this to heart, and the next time they open their mouths to fling an empty criticism at all things TM, they reflect, first, on their paucity of spiritual experience, and be aware of that.-Fleetwood turquoiseb writes: curtisdeltablues writes: fleetwood_macncheese writes: An enthusiastic response from me? Nope, just stay far enough away from me, to keep your bleeding heart from ruining my shirt. C:Your framing compassion for people suffering from a disease they did not choose and speaking out against your callus post as a bleeding heart makes my point perfectly. Especially coming from one of the Maharishi enlightened. This exchange illustrates my basic thesis on this forum. It REALLY DOESN'T MATTER what one *says* about people one doesn't like on FFL. All that matters is what the persons saying it do in their posts, as often-unintended accessories to what they say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of functioning. We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, because we are enjoying a full spiritual life. You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
Curtis, can you tell us anything about your experiences in Sidhaland? I had never heard that the invitation was given out for people to perfect the siddhis - was that only at a Sidhaland, or was it in all Movement facilities. Were any additional techniques given out, or was it just perfecting them through practice? Thanks, MJ On Fri, 5/16/14, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 2:01 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : As Rick Archer's quote said earlier, the only one wasting his time, is the one running around, shitting on others' spiritual paths. There are basically two approaches to enlightenment - either you go for it, or you don't. C: But you never did go for it Jim. You are a couch quarterback for the Maharishi team. J: However, Barry and Curtis, have discovered a third way - You attempt enlightenment, spiritual liberation, for a few years, begin to doubt your progress, and the whole mechanism, drop out, and spend the rest of your life, as an angry outsider, looking in. C: So you are thinking that spiritual life is some kind of contest that you can win and then lord over others? I am unfamiliar with this spiritual path Jim. I think you are confused here. I didn't doubt my progress I grew into a world view that did not recognize Maharishi's world view and perspective on my inner experience as authoritative. The anger routine you and Nabbie run is all projection. I am sharing my views on a subject that I am interested in here just as you do. J: This doesn't prevent either fool from spouting on at length about spiritual subjects, waaay out of their depth. C: I don't believe you and I would come to a consensus opinion about what the term spiritual refers to, so your opinion about my views is irrelevant to me. IF you are trying to self promote yourself as an expert in these matters, that will not happen for me. J: Barry will comment on Maharishi and his enlightenment, without giving it a second thought - yes, like a legless man, coaching a track team, Barry knows it all. J: Barry and Curtis wouldn't know a good meditation experience, if it walked up and shook their hand. C: Here you are disagreeing with Maharishi and his representatives who certified us both as experts in his meditation. Both of us were involved in years of advanced courses devoted to the development of experience with Maharishi's programs for higher states of consciousness and when both of us left we were trusted leaders in the organization. You can't rewrite history Jim. You may disagree with my opinion about Maharishi's teaching now, but as far as us ever experiencing what you are making such a fuss about, we are bot certified in it and you are a self proclaimed expert with no formal training comparatively. Not only would we both know a good meditation we were trained to evaluate claims by people like you. J: They are rank beginners, waiting anxiously to begin the process of discovering themselves. Let's not take the frightened murmurings of frightened boy as fact, or wisdom, and begin to recognize it for what it really is. C: Here you are just being a troll. Your attempt to elevate your position as expert in Maharishi's teaching is only going to fly with Nabbie who has entered in a collusion of not challenging each other ridiculous claims. I met many Sidhas like you Jim. Trying to bypass Maharishi's movement cast system in a self created power struggle with the teachers. If you are so into Maharishi's teaching why didn't you actually study it in any depth? Do you regret that? When I went to spend 4 years at Sidhaland after 4 years at MIU it was to perfect the sidhis on Maharishi's invitation. Where were you Jim? The invitation was open to everyone. Perhaps all this animosity is a projection of your own lack of commitment to Maharishi's programs. As far as I am concerned I gave him 100% when I was in. You are the dilettante in his teaching. But understanding his teaching is not your goal. You think you can use this as a form of oneupmanship personally. What's with that routine? Do you know what it reveals about you? J:This is not to say, that spiritual topics do not have many sides, and some controversy. However we would much rather hear form those with more experiences than these disgruntles neophytes. C: Nice try at a I'm really not unhinged save Jim. The tern disgruntled is a sophist trick. I left the movement because my further studies revealed to me the issues with Maharishi's world view. I grew out of it and gained much self knowledge in the process. It is a continuing process of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cutting Spam on FFL
Whoa, TM/MIU/MUM are a sacred posting ground here. The TM/MIU/MUM postings to FFL are well grandfathered on to FFL as a kind of fact based postulate and original thought. They are a particularly protected and a substantial content of FFL. As essential FFL spiritual grist for the mill, we would be nothing here without TM the TM movement postings here, -Buck “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” No, not spam. Alex deletes spam whenever it's posted, so you have nothing to worry about. , ..You left out something, Judy - the TMO and MUM spam. Go figure. Yep, and this FFL is a moderated list particularly around the thoughtcrime of the posting of spam. As a protection to the life of the group we have a policy given to us by our over-seer, Rick himself, about spam being posted to this communal list. -Buck “so you have nothing to worry about.” Nope. You know, on most any forum always there is risk of spam; hence, FFL as the controversial public and spiritual internet forum and community that FFL is does maintain an active vigilance out for spamming spammers. -Buck Yes, Pretty much any topic is fair game. But Not Spam. -Buck authfriend agrees: No, not spam. Alex deletes spam whenever it's posted, .. “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” FFL guidelines: Pretty much any topic is fair game. Currently, there's a lot of discussion about American politics. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, Jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, Ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc. “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” “Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know.. “ Yes, and Om may the Unified Field of our forum community guidelines and our FairfieldLife community list owner and moderators protect us all from the spamming spammer who spams us. -Buck in the Dome Awoelflebater serving, This is Spam: This is a lot of Spam .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cutting Spam on FFL
I suspect Richard is referring just to your posts, Buck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Whoa, TM/MIU/MUM are a sacred posting ground here. The TM/MIU/MUM postings to FFL are well grandfathered on to FFL as a kind of fact based postulate and original thought. They are a particularly protected and a substantial content of FFL. As essential FFL spiritual grist for the mill, we would be nothing here without TM the TM movement postings here, -Buck “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” No, not spam. Alex deletes spam whenever it's posted, so you have nothing to worry about. , ..You left out something, Judy - the TMO and MUM spam. Go figure. Yep, and this FFL is a moderated list particularly around the thoughtcrime of the posting of spam. As a protection to the life of the group we have a policy given to us by our over-seer, Rick himself, about spam being posted to this communal list. -Buck “so you have nothing to worry about.” Nope. You know, on most any forum always there is risk of spam; hence, FFL as the controversial public and spiritual internet forum and community that FFL is does maintain an active vigilance out for spamming spammers. -Buck Yes, Pretty much any topic is fair game. But Not Spam. -Buck authfriend agrees: No, not spam. Alex deletes spam whenever it's posted, .. “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” FFL guidelines: Pretty much any topic is fair game. Currently, there's a lot of discussion about American politics. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, Jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, Ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc. “Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.” Yahoo forums guideline: “Stay on topic. Although all groups are different, most groups appreciate it when you stay on topic. If you constantly stray from the topic the group owner may remove your content—or you—from the group altogether.” “Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know.. “ Yes, and Om may the Unified Field of our forum community guidelines and our FairfieldLife community list owner and moderators protect us all from the spamming spammer who spams us. -Buck in the Dome
[FairfieldLife] Re: making a mountain out of a molehill - Barry's 'enlightenment'
Yes, we have all suffered enough, listening to this know nothing blowhard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : This guy just cracks me up, when I think about it - he is so smug and know-it-all, about things he knows nothing about. I had mentioned his TWO WEEKS OF LIFETIME WITNESSING, as his mental equivalent of living Being; Unbounded Awareness. In other words, Barry thinks he has experienced everything there is to know about the full sunshine of cosmic eternal enlightenment, because he experienced TWO WEEKS of witnessing. TWO WHOLE WEEKS! He also, by his own admission, had ZERO experiences with the TM siddhis program. You all know how the sutras work, right? After some reasonable establishment of Being, first, with TM, then the sutra is invoked, and produces results, if there is Being present. If not, you get what Barry got - nothing, no results. Finally, Barry claims to have seen a lot of things that he has simply made up, and insists we believe it, too. I'm kind of leery of that, myself, since this guy has pretty much zero spiritual experience and is making his assertions, based on make-believe. So, just remember, the next time Barry starts talking BIG, he has NO spiritual experience, except for his TWO WEEKS of witnessing, decades ago, which he now refers to as just another experience, trying unsuccessfully to give up on his now shattered dream, of enlightenment. Yep, TWO WHOLE WEEKS of witnessing for Barry - Lifetime total. Well I've had two whole years of witnessing Bawee. Does that count for any brownie points? Have I suffered enough yet?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sleeper TV show
I just finished watching Pandemonium. Back to the good ole movie days, for that one, but since there's been so much character development along the way, it doesn't feel as much like gratuitous violence, as just the inevitable outcome of what has been building up for 6 episodes. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been watching it since the start, because I'm a real Robert Rodriguez fanboy. He's actually directed several of the episodes himself, including the first one where all hell breaks loose (somewhat literally) in the Titty Twister, Pandemonium. I agree that unlike many movies turned into TV series that don't do anything but pad out the original script, this one has added value. But the Rodriguez effort I'm really looking forward to is: Sin City: A Dame to Kill For (2014) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458481/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458481/ Sin City: A Dame to Kill For (2014) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458481/ Directed by Frank Miller, Robert Rodriguez. With Jessica Alba, Mickey Rourke, Rosario Dawson, Eva Green. The town's most hard-boiled citizens cross ... View on www.imdb.com http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458481/ Preview by Yahoo From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sleeper TV show OK, this is a weird thing to say. Some of you may remember the old cult classic vampire movie, From Dusk til Dawn. The producer has done a TV series remake, which is remarkably good. It's a character study and a hardcore blood and guts vampire story at the same time. Worth watching if you're into that kind of juxtaposition of opposites. L (proud that he used juxtaposition correctly in a real sentence)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Zen
This is definitely more your speed, Barry - Please do us a BIG FAVOR, and continue to talk about your cafe experiences and movies, and television shows, and playing with your roommate's daughter. You know something about these subjects, and although they do not speak to your spiritual paucity, and are somewhat irrelevant to this forum, at least it is not a stream of egotistical BS issuing forth. Similarly, while you are sucking down your beer as a form of relaxation, I have been photographing deer in the park. Please continue to live in the past, enjoying Cafe Zen, while I enjoy Cafe NOW. Now always trumps 'zen'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sun on face, beer on table Hotel California on the sound system My kinda cafe Friday While others on this forum demonstrate their spiritual advancement by trying to get those who disagree with them, you'll have to forgive me if I prefer to just sit in a sunny cafe and take in the scene. The first thing I notice is that no one in the cafe is arguing, or seems to feel they need to. No one is trying to sell anything, whether it be their belief in something, or their disbelief. No one is trying to demonstrate their superiority. In fact, most of them seem to be far more in the moment and actually *enjoying* the moment than any of the spiritual elite on FFL have been in years. Go figure. Across the cafe young woman with waist-length red hair feels the sun on it and shakes her head with joy and twenty people pause in mid-sentence brought to silence by the beauty of the lightdance
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on
So which info did you give him to dissuade him to cease TM after 40+ years of practice? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am very happy to have been of some small service to the lady who recently got TM booted out of her son's school in San Francisco. Also my North Carolina buddy who has done TM since 1972 and recently ceased and desisted in part due to info I gave him is coming to visit this very evening. I think we'll make plans of how to neuter the TMO and maybe go glass a few TM'ers -wait, we aren't in the Scorpion Nation, we're in SC!!! On Fri, 5/16/14, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 11:57 AM Very fair observation, Fleetwood. And facing the enemies combatant who actively fight gainst larger spirituality, meditating an Maharishi. The anti-meditation neganauts even arrayed here. Especially the indictment of their negativist position of obstructing and keeping meditation from school educational design is no better than those religious nuts kidnapping all those school girls and selling them in to Islamic slavery. Certainly with people like those Nigerian religious ideological nuts in the news now, bringing in the drones and special forces to hunt them down, some of our own enemies combatant could certainly be hunted down as criminals against humanity for their ignorant and wrong asocial behaviors.-Buck in the Dome Yep, and yesterday's Zen Calendar quote is still good for today: “It is by silence that the saints grew, that it was because of silence that the power of [the Unified Field] grew in them, because of silence that the mysteries were known to them.” -The Desert Father Ammonas Fleetwood_macncheese writes: Boys, boys -- lest we get distracted. The original point was about, on the one hand, your relative lack of self-reported spiritual experience, and, on the other, your fantasized expertise, regarding same. I see a lot of hot air, but no answers to such a question. I admit it is a very tough question for either of you to address, head on, and I really don't expect as much. I am simply asking that you both be aware of your utter lack of experience, to back up any spiritual claims you may attempt. A little self-reflection would be very helpful, for either of you. fleetwood_macncheese writes: Enlightenment. Funny, because no one talks about this topic here, despite this forum's alleged purpose. Fellows like Barry (or Bawee) who criticizes Maharishi endlessly, haven't had a good meditation during this century. The criticizers have just a very small amount of spiritual experience between them. Even Curtis, the musician guy who meditated and rounded, with Sidhis, for 15 years, is not established in Being. So we have those here, who denigrate every bit of Maharishi's teaching, Guru Dev, TM and the siddhis. But these critics are not established in Being. They have weak and empty spiritual lives, and rather than working on that, they find it a great and happy distraction, to focus, instead, on someone else's perceived failings. That is not the purpose of this forum, to take pot shots at others, because of your own failures. I hope that Barry, Curtis and Michael all take this to heart, and the next time they open their mouths to fling an empty criticism at all things TM, they reflect, first, on their paucity of spiritual experience, and be aware of that.-Fleetwood turquoiseb writes: curtisdeltablues writes: fleetwood_macncheese writes: An enthusiastic response from me? Nope, just stay far enough away from me, to keep your bleeding heart from ruining my shirt. C:Your framing compassion for people suffering from a disease they did not choose and speaking out against your callus post as a bleeding heart makes my point perfectly. Especially coming from one of the Maharishi enlightened. This exchange illustrates my basic thesis on this forum. It REALLY DOESN'T MATTER what one *says* about people one doesn't like on FFL. All that matters is what the persons saying it do in their posts, as often-unintended accessories to what they say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, do it 24x7, and have now, for
Re: [FairfieldLife] commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
Rank beginners in terms of spiritual advancement, not cult following. In terms of cult following, Barry and Curtis have us all beat, hands down. That is why they piss and moan about it, so often. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/16/2014 7:32 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Barry and Curtis wouldn't know a good meditation experience, if it walked up and shook their hand. They are rank beginners, waiting anxiously to begin the process of discovering themselves. Rank beginners? These two guys, by all accounts, were leaders in the movement for twenty years - they are both experts at selling the snake-oil for money. Is this some kind of mind-game they are playing, or are they really just nuts with nothing to do since they got kicked out? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
It is not a no brainer to attempt to determine a person's experience by what they say, particularly just based on text they write. For example, Michael Jackson, to me, sounds angry at times, but I do not really know what he is experiencing. Judy does not typically sound angry to me most of the time. Barry doesn't sound angry to me either. In spite of what and how he writes he seems rather light hearted to me. Curtis is the more serious thinker and he has a forceful way of presenting his thoughts, but that does not mean he is pissed off. I tend to think of the world in terms of 'structure' and 'content'. Structure underlies content. Take a movie script. There is the structure - how it is put together, and content - what it is about. If we were to consider the art of film making, what makes a film work artistically is the structure; the content is an expression of the underlying structure. The content is 'more superficial' because the same kind of underlying structure can be used with different kinds of content. People who focus on content however will be more attracted to certain films and repelled by others even though they have the same basic artistic under pinnings. That is pretty much like being and form. Being is the underlying structure of experience, and content is the variable. The more you are moved by the content, the more your world is rocked for good or ill. Spiritual development has the characteristic of making a person more autonomous psychologically, that is, less reliance on others concerning how and what one thinks. Maharishi called it self sufficiency. So if these spiritual techniques work, a person should show more and more signs of independent thought and action as time goes on. That various people on this forum have left the TM movement through their own choice or not their own choice - both seem to indicate that self sufficiency and independence of thought are at play. The TMO does not tolerate independent thinking and expression more than a small degree when it comes to the corpus of what Maharishi left behind. So as one develops spiritually in any movement that has viable strategies for growth, if that movement does not encourage independence, self sufficiency, autonomous behaviour, there will eventually be a clash simply because of the success of those strategies. Traditionally a teacher, a 'master', teaches and the students eventually are sent off on their own to teach, or just live their independent autonomous lives. The problem exists when an organisation develops around a teaching, and independence of thought develops in those who are within that matrix of the organisation, by virtue of the organisations own teachings. It is thus the tendency that, for those with the most autonomous characteristics developing, to leave the nest, or be kicked out of the nest, because it is a necessity for further progress, and because for the organisation, since it develops a 'fixed canon' of ideas, for the organisation to maintain its content without alternation. In other words a breakdown of the relationship between an organisation and its developing students is inevitable, because of the growing freedom of the students mind and experience within the framework of an ever more constrained organisational structure as time progresses. This is to say that spiritual development of an individual person and a spiritual organisation tend to be eventually become antithetical to one another by their very nature. This does not mean everyone who becomes 'spiritually advanced' (a rather peculiar term considering what enlightenment is), will walk out or be excommunicated from the fold, but that it is a strong tendency that we observe. It might have to do with the intrinsic characteristics of an individual. Freedom can be scary, not necessarily comfortable. Spiritual progress in not necessarily a cakewalk. You can chicken out by staying in an organisation, staying in the womb, as much as by simply giving up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : As Rick Archer's quote said earlier, the only one wasting his time, is the one running around, shitting on others' spiritual paths. There are basically two approaches to enlightenment - either you go for it, or you don't. C: But you never did go for it Jim. You are a couch quarterback for the Maharishi team. J: However, Barry and Curtis, have discovered a third way - You attempt enlightenment, spiritual liberation, for a few years, begin to doubt your progress, and the whole mechanism, drop out, and spend the rest of your life, as an angry outsider, looking in. C: So you are thinking that spiritual life is some kind of contest that you can win and then lord over others? I am unfamiliar with this spiritual path Jim. I think you are confused here. I didn't doubt my progress
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry and Curtis commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
You keep trying to distract me, and make this about me. It isn't, Curtis. It is about you and Barry prattling on about 'enlightenment'. Something neither of you knows anything about. You can keep up your dodging and weaving, but it ain't gonna get either of you to Cosmic Consciousness, or beyond. You can point your finger at me all you want, but it doesn't make your lack of spiritual experience suddenly vanish, or suddenly give you credibility. You and Barry are throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and happy to do it. A couple of ignorant ex-teachers, who cannot walk their talk. So, Curtis, you continue to feel smug about you ability to hold forth on something you and Barry know nothing about, except for his TWO WEEKS OF WITNESSING LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD, and I'll continue to call it as it is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : As Rick Archer's quote said earlier, the only one wasting his time, is the one running around, shitting on others' spiritual paths. There are basically two approaches to enlightenment - either you go for it, or you don't. C: But you never did go for it Jim. You are a couch quarterback for the Maharishi team. J: However, Barry and Curtis, have discovered a third way - You attempt enlightenment, spiritual liberation, for a few years, begin to doubt your progress, and the whole mechanism, drop out, and spend the rest of your life, as an angry outsider, looking in. C: So you are thinking that spiritual life is some kind of contest that you can win and then lord over others? I am unfamiliar with this spiritual path Jim. I think you are confused here. I didn't doubt my progress I grew into a world view that did not recognize Maharishi's world view and perspective on my inner experience as authoritative. The anger routine you and Nabbie run is all projection. I am sharing my views on a subject that I am interested in here just as you do. J: This doesn't prevent either fool from spouting on at length about spiritual subjects, waaay out of their depth. C: I don't believe you and I would come to a consensus opinion about what the term spiritual refers to, so your opinion about my views is irrelevant to me. IF you are trying to self promote yourself as an expert in these matters, that will not happen for me. J: Barry will comment on Maharishi and his enlightenment, without giving it a second thought - yes, like a legless man, coaching a track team, Barry knows it all. J: Barry and Curtis wouldn't know a good meditation experience, if it walked up and shook their hand. C: Here you are disagreeing with Maharishi and his representatives who certified us both as experts in his meditation. Both of us were involved in years of advanced courses devoted to the development of experience with Maharishi's programs for higher states of consciousness and when both of us left we were trusted leaders in the organization. You can't rewrite history Jim. You may disagree with my opinion about Maharishi's teaching now, but as far as us ever experiencing what you are making such a fuss about, we are bot certified in it and you are a self proclaimed expert with no formal training comparatively. Not only would we both know a good meditation we were trained to evaluate claims by people like you. J: They are rank beginners, waiting anxiously to begin the process of discovering themselves. Let's not take the frightened murmurings of frightened boy as fact, or wisdom, and begin to recognize it for what it really is. C: Here you are just being a troll. Your attempt to elevate your position as expert in Maharishi's teaching is only going to fly with Nabbie who has entered in a collusion of not challenging each other ridiculous claims. I met many Sidhas like you Jim. Trying to bypass Maharishi's movement cast system in a self created power struggle with the teachers. If you are so into Maharishi's teaching why didn't you actually study it in any depth? Do you regret that? When I went to spend 4 years at Sidhaland after 4 years at MIU it was to perfect the sidhis on Maharishi's invitation. Where were you Jim? The invitation was open to everyone. Perhaps all this animosity is a projection of your own lack of commitment to Maharishi's programs. As far as I am concerned I gave him 100% when I was in. You are the dilettante in his teaching. But understanding his teaching is not your goal. You think you can use this as a form of oneupmanship personally. What's with that routine? Do you know what it reveals about you? J:This is not to say, that spiritual topics do not have many sides, and some controversy. However we would much rather hear form those with more experiences than these disgruntles neophytes. C: Nice try at a I'm really not unhinged save Jim. The tern disgruntled is a sophist trick. I left the movement
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
Hey, Michael, I was at the Kansas City Siddhaland, while Curtis was wasting his time in Florida. There were no additional techniques, and we were not invited to perfect the sidhis, simply to learn them. That was in 1979-80. You have to be careful listening to either Barry or Curtis, as both of them are eager to tell lies to cover their lack of spiritual advancement. Just sayin'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Curtis, can you tell us anything about your experiences in Sidhaland? I had never heard that the invitation was given out for people to perfect the siddhis - was that only at a Sidhaland, or was it in all Movement facilities. Were any additional techniques given out, or was it just perfecting them through practice? Thanks, MJ On Fri, 5/16/14, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 2:01 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : As Rick Archer's quote said earlier, the only one wasting his time, is the one running around, shitting on others' spiritual paths. There are basically two approaches to enlightenment - either you go for it, or you don't. C: But you never did go for it Jim. You are a couch quarterback for the Maharishi team. J: However, Barry and Curtis, have discovered a third way - You attempt enlightenment, spiritual liberation, for a few years, begin to doubt your progress, and the whole mechanism, drop out, and spend the rest of your life, as an angry outsider, looking in. C: So you are thinking that spiritual life is some kind of contest that you can win and then lord over others? I am unfamiliar with this spiritual path Jim. I think you are confused here. I didn't doubt my progress I grew into a world view that did not recognize Maharishi's world view and perspective on my inner experience as authoritative. The anger routine you and Nabbie run is all projection. I am sharing my views on a subject that I am interested in here just as you do. J: This doesn't prevent either fool from spouting on at length about spiritual subjects, waaay out of their depth. C: I don't believe you and I would come to a consensus opinion about what the term spiritual refers to, so your opinion about my views is irrelevant to me. IF you are trying to self promote yourself as an expert in these matters, that will not happen for me. J: Barry will comment on Maharishi and his enlightenment, without giving it a second thought - yes, like a legless man, coaching a track team, Barry knows it all. J: Barry and Curtis wouldn't know a good meditation experience, if it walked up and shook their hand. C: Here you are disagreeing with Maharishi and his representatives who certified us both as experts in his meditation. Both of us were involved in years of advanced courses devoted to the development of experience with Maharishi's programs for higher states of consciousness and when both of us left we were trusted leaders in the organization. You can't rewrite history Jim. You may disagree with my opinion about Maharishi's teaching now, but as far as us ever experiencing what you are making such a fuss about, we are bot certified in it and you are a self proclaimed expert with no formal training comparatively. Not only would we both know a good meditation we were trained to evaluate claims by people like you. J: They are rank beginners, waiting anxiously to begin the process of discovering themselves. Let's not take the frightened murmurings of frightened boy as fact, or wisdom, and begin to recognize it for what it really is. C: Here you are just being a troll. Your attempt to elevate your position as expert in Maharishi's teaching is only going to fly with Nabbie who has entered in a collusion of not challenging each other ridiculous claims. I met many Sidhas like you Jim. Trying to bypass Maharishi's movement cast system in a self created power struggle with the teachers. If you are so into Maharishi's teaching why didn't you actually study it in any depth? Do you regret that? When I went to spend 4 years at Sidhaland after 4 years at MIU it was to perfect the sidhis on Maharishi's invitation. Where were you Jim? The invitation was open to everyone. Perhaps all this animosity is a projection of your own lack of commitment to Maharishi's programs. As far as I am concerned I gave him 100% when I was in. You are the dilettante in his teaching. But understanding his teaching is not your goal. You think you can use this as a form of oneupmanship
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Curtis, can you tell us anything about your experiences in Sidhaland? I had never heard that the invitation was given out for people to perfect the siddhis - was that only at a Sidhaland, or was it in all Movement facilities. Were any additional techniques given out, or was it just perfecting them through practice? C: I've written about some of them here over the years. Maharishi made one of his extravagant guarantees. He said give me 3 years and you will perfect the sidhis guaranteed! I was getting credit for TTC credit to redo my Phase I after he cancelled our credit after I had completed phase 2 (the fieldwork ) and was ready to go to phase 3 after graduating from MIU. It all seems so silly now but this was on the heels of the Amherst course in 1979 so there was a lot of the world will blow up if you don't do what we say in the air. I was not given any special techniques at sidhaland, the technique was the schedule. We rounded for years, sometimes for 8 hours a day. I loved it there and despite the bullshittery that went on like renigging on my TTC credit at the end of 3 years, it was a time of simple focus and commitment to a delightful fantasy. One of the highlights was going to India for two months with Maharishi which was a dream come true at the time. I had always hoped for that kind of proximity and the experience did not disappoint, despite the life threatening parasites I hosted for a while. Obviously my view of what was going on there has changed over the years. I was in Avon Park Fla., there were other facilities with this program. The end of it's hay day was when most of the teachers got pulled for the Vedic Atom project and the teachers who were left behind to run the place felt pretty bitter for being passed by and stuck on the farm. That shit rolled downhill to us sidhas. We worked very hard between rounds. As far as the mental state I was in during those years, my interest has faded with my evolving perspective on what such mental alterations in functioning mean. Despite Maharishi's claims they are not reliable states of human knowledge in my current view. They are just brain functioning options we know very little about, and what we do know is obscured by the overconfident assumptiveness of the traditional views. I am still interested in and am a practicer of meditation but I am done with TM for now. Thanks for asking, perhaps it was similar to your time on staff? Thanks, MJ On Fri, 5/16/14, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 2:01 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : As Rick Archer's quote said earlier, the only one wasting his time, is the one running around, shitting on others' spiritual paths. There are basically two approaches to enlightenment - either you go for it, or you don't. C: But you never did go for it Jim. You are a couch quarterback for the Maharishi team. J: However, Barry and Curtis, have discovered a third way - You attempt enlightenment, spiritual liberation, for a few years, begin to doubt your progress, and the whole mechanism, drop out, and spend the rest of your life, as an angry outsider, looking in. C: So you are thinking that spiritual life is some kind of contest that you can win and then lord over others? I am unfamiliar with this spiritual path Jim. I think you are confused here. I didn't doubt my progress I grew into a world view that did not recognize Maharishi's world view and perspective on my inner experience as authoritative. The anger routine you and Nabbie run is all projection. I am sharing my views on a subject that I am interested in here just as you do. J: This doesn't prevent either fool from spouting on at length about spiritual subjects, waaay out of their depth. C: I don't believe you and I would come to a consensus opinion about what the term spiritual refers to, so your opinion about my views is irrelevant to me. IF you are trying to self promote yourself as an expert in these matters, that will not happen for me. J: Barry will comment on Maharishi and his enlightenment, without giving it a second thought - yes, like a legless man, coaching a track team, Barry knows it all. J: Barry and Curtis wouldn't know a good meditation experience, if it walked up and shook their hand. C: Here you are disagreeing with Maharishi and his representatives who certified us both as experts in his meditation. Both of us were involved in years of advanced courses
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry and Curtis commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You keep trying to distract me, and make this about me. It isn't, Curtis. It is about you and Barry prattling on about 'enlightenment'. Something neither of you knows anything about. You can keep up your dodging and weaving, but it ain't gonna get either of you to Cosmic Consciousness, or beyond. C: Are you incapable of going beyond your point of reference to understand that it is not shared? J: You can point your finger at me all you want, but it doesn't make your lack of spiritual experience C: You have used this word as a cudgel long enough. Lets hear you define it in a comprehensible way that distinguishes it from what the Moonies claim about their magical inner states. And do tell how you know anything about my inner experience. J: suddenly vanish, or suddenly give you credibility. C: Here you misunderstand my intentions. You and I will never have credibility with each other. You are beating a dead horse here. I don''t seek or need anything from you nor you from me. J: You and Barry are throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and happy to do it. A couple of ignorant ex-teachers, who cannot walk their talk. C: I am living consistent with my values. your outside judgements are just dickish trolling. J:So, Curtis, you continue to feel smug about you ability to hold forth on something you and Barry know nothing about, except for his TWO WEEKS OF WITNESSING LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD, and I'll continue to call it as it is. C: You have already won the smug trophy Jim. I wasn't even a contender. But yes I will post my opinions about subjects that interest me here and it will often make your self serving prattle look kind of dumb. That can't be helped. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : As Rick Archer's quote said earlier, the only one wasting his time, is the one running around, shitting on others' spiritual paths. There are basically two approaches to enlightenment - either you go for it, or you don't. C: But you never did go for it Jim. You are a couch quarterback for the Maharishi team. J: However, Barry and Curtis, have discovered a third way - You attempt enlightenment, spiritual liberation, for a few years, begin to doubt your progress, and the whole mechanism, drop out, and spend the rest of your life, as an angry outsider, looking in. C: So you are thinking that spiritual life is some kind of contest that you can win and then lord over others? I am unfamiliar with this spiritual path Jim. I think you are confused here. I didn't doubt my progress I grew into a world view that did not recognize Maharishi's world view and perspective on my inner experience as authoritative. The anger routine you and Nabbie run is all projection. I am sharing my views on a subject that I am interested in here just as you do. J: This doesn't prevent either fool from spouting on at length about spiritual subjects, waaay out of their depth. C: I don't believe you and I would come to a consensus opinion about what the term spiritual refers to, so your opinion about my views is irrelevant to me. IF you are trying to self promote yourself as an expert in these matters, that will not happen for me. J: Barry will comment on Maharishi and his enlightenment, without giving it a second thought - yes, like a legless man, coaching a track team, Barry knows it all. J: Barry and Curtis wouldn't know a good meditation experience, if it walked up and shook their hand. C: Here you are disagreeing with Maharishi and his representatives who certified us both as experts in his meditation. Both of us were involved in years of advanced courses devoted to the development of experience with Maharishi's programs for higher states of consciousness and when both of us left we were trusted leaders in the organization. You can't rewrite history Jim. You may disagree with my opinion about Maharishi's teaching now, but as far as us ever experiencing what you are making such a fuss about, we are bot certified in it and you are a self proclaimed expert with no formal training comparatively. Not only would we both know a good meditation we were trained to evaluate claims by people like you. J: They are rank beginners, waiting anxiously to begin the process of discovering themselves. Let's not take the frightened murmurings of frightened boy as fact, or wisdom, and begin to recognize it for what it really is. C: Here you are just being a troll. Your attempt to elevate your position as expert in Maharishi's teaching is only going to fly with Nabbie who has entered in a collusion of not challenging each other ridiculous claims. I met many Sidhas like you Jim. Trying to bypass Maharishi's movement cast system in a self created power struggle with the teachers. If you are so
Re: [FairfieldLife] What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
Kinda lame research. A bit of the blind men elephant type. They assume all drummers are time keepers. Actually there are two kinds of drummers: time keepers (captain of the rhythm section) and compers. There are a some who can even manage both roles. Time Keepers tend to be left brained but if the bass player decides he's going to be the time keeper the drummer loses. He can't overpower the influence of the bass line on time. Compers are more right brained and listen to the band and go with the flow of time of the lead. They tend to jell well with the band. I'm more of a comper because I started out playing to records and developed an ear for listening. Time keepers probably didn't do that and started out just playing with other musicians. If you are a comper and hired by a band that needs a time keeper things aren't going to go well. If you are a time keeper and the leader of a group wants the drummer to go with his rubato timing things won't go well either. Duke Ellington preferred comping drummers. The research shouldn't have sat in the grandstand but actually talked to musicians. On 05/16/2014 01:24 AM, salyavin808 wrote: They both suck without Cream. Yup, but here's a fascinating article about something we beat boys always knew instinctively. Science Shows How Drummers' Brains Are Actually Different From Everybody Elses' http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses image http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Science Shows How Drummers' Brains Are Actual... http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Their brains are in an artistic league of their own. View on www.policymic.com http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] HuffPost US vs. UK on the new Indian Prime Minister
India seems to be doing a pendulum swing again from the more liberal socialist leadership to the conservative BJP. Big countries never can get things right. On 05/16/2014 02:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Fascinating. The story at the first (US) link below is all cheery and newsy, and barely mentions that Narendra Modi is an extreme Hindu nationalist. Whereas the story at the second link (UK) provides a bit more information, including the fact that until recently Modi had been banned from Britain because of his extreme views and his involvement in the Gujarat riots, in which 2,000 Muslims were murdered. Modi later described those deaths as similar to accidentally running over a puppy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/15/india-election-2014_n_5334988.html http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/16/narendra-modi_n_5335402.html?utm_hp_ref=ukutm_hp_ref=uk Sure looks like the Age Of Enlightenment is alive and well in India...
[FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
Yes, I am all for questioning institutions, and yes, even those institutions teaching appropriate techniques for enlightenment, will eventually be at odds with some of their students and teachers, for the reasons you mention. However, the trend around here, for a couple of ex-TM teachers, seems to be to take credit for their status and knowledge as TM teachers, within an organization that they now completely discredit, and even denigrate. Making it even more absurd, they have not gained basic CC, witnessing 24x7. They don't know where they are most of the time, and yet, they wade in here, all spiritual John Wayne, with not a damned thing to say, ready to sagely hold forth on any spiritual topic. The unclothed emperors, in all their splendor. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : It is not a no brainer to attempt to determine a person's experience by what they say, particularly just based on text they write. For example, Michael Jackson, to me, sounds angry at times, but I do not really know what he is experiencing. Judy does not typically sound angry to me most of the time. Barry doesn't sound angry to me either. In spite of what and how he writes he seems rather light hearted to me. Curtis is the more serious thinker and he has a forceful way of presenting his thoughts, but that does not mean he is pissed off. I tend to think of the world in terms of 'structure' and 'content'. Structure underlies content. Take a movie script. There is the structure - how it is put together, and content - what it is about. If we were to consider the art of film making, what makes a film work artistically is the structure; the content is an expression of the underlying structure. The content is 'more superficial' because the same kind of underlying structure can be used with different kinds of content. People who focus on content however will be more attracted to certain films and repelled by others even though they have the same basic artistic under pinnings. That is pretty much like being and form. Being is the underlying structure of experience, and content is the variable. The more you are moved by the content, the more your world is rocked for good or ill. Spiritual development has the characteristic of making a person more autonomous psychologically, that is, less reliance on others concerning how and what one thinks. Maharishi called it self sufficiency. So if these spiritual techniques work, a person should show more and more signs of independent thought and action as time goes on. That various people on this forum have left the TM movement through their own choice or not their own choice - both seem to indicate that self sufficiency and independence of thought are at play. The TMO does not tolerate independent thinking and expression more than a small degree when it comes to the corpus of what Maharishi left behind. So as one develops spiritually in any movement that has viable strategies for growth, if that movement does not encourage independence, self sufficiency, autonomous behaviour, there will eventually be a clash simply because of the success of those strategies. Traditionally a teacher, a 'master', teaches and the students eventually are sent off on their own to teach, or just live their independent autonomous lives. The problem exists when an organisation develops around a teaching, and independence of thought develops in those who are within that matrix of the organisation, by virtue of the organisations own teachings. It is thus the tendency that, for those with the most autonomous characteristics developing, to leave the nest, or be kicked out of the nest, because it is a necessity for further progress, and because for the organisation, since it develops a 'fixed canon' of ideas, for the organisation to maintain its content without alternation. In other words a breakdown of the relationship between an organisation and its developing students is inevitable, because of the growing freedom of the students mind and experience within the framework of an ever more constrained organisational structure as time progresses. This is to say that spiritual development of an individual person and a spiritual organisation tend to be eventually become antithetical to one another by their very nature. This does not mean everyone who becomes 'spiritually advanced' (a rather peculiar term considering what enlightenment is), will walk out or be excommunicated from the fold, but that it is a strong tendency that we observe. It might have to do with the intrinsic characteristics of an individual. Freedom can be scary, not necessarily comfortable. Spiritual progress in not necessarily a cakewalk. You can chicken out by staying in an organisation, staying in the womb, as much as by simply giving up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry and Curtis commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
It is really funny, Curtis, Barry endlessly making BIG about his LIFETIME TWO WEEKS of witnessing, and your alluding to your own 'advanced experiences'. That is my context - I don't make this shit up, you did. So, if you feel my mention of your lack of spiritual experience (e.g. witnessing) as a cudgel, I'll continue to wield it as such. I think of it as a balloon animal, myself. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You keep trying to distract me, and make this about me. It isn't, Curtis. It is about you and Barry prattling on about 'enlightenment'. Something neither of you knows anything about. You can keep up your dodging and weaving, but it ain't gonna get either of you to Cosmic Consciousness, or beyond. C: Are you incapable of going beyond your point of reference to understand that it is not shared? J: You can point your finger at me all you want, but it doesn't make your lack of spiritual experience C: You have used this word as a cudgel long enough. Lets hear you define it in a comprehensible way that distinguishes it from what the Moonies claim about their magical inner states. And do tell how you know anything about my inner experience. J: suddenly vanish, or suddenly give you credibility. C: Here you misunderstand my intentions. You and I will never have credibility with each other. You are beating a dead horse here. I don''t seek or need anything from you nor you from me. J: You and Barry are throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and happy to do it. A couple of ignorant ex-teachers, who cannot walk their talk. C: I am living consistent with my values. your outside judgements are just dickish trolling. J:So, Curtis, you continue to feel smug about you ability to hold forth on something you and Barry know nothing about, except for his TWO WEEKS OF WITNESSING LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD, and I'll continue to call it as it is. C: You have already won the smug trophy Jim. I wasn't even a contender. But yes I will post my opinions about subjects that interest me here and it will often make your self serving prattle look kind of dumb. That can't be helped. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : As Rick Archer's quote said earlier, the only one wasting his time, is the one running around, shitting on others' spiritual paths. There are basically two approaches to enlightenment - either you go for it, or you don't. C: But you never did go for it Jim. You are a couch quarterback for the Maharishi team. J: However, Barry and Curtis, have discovered a third way - You attempt enlightenment, spiritual liberation, for a few years, begin to doubt your progress, and the whole mechanism, drop out, and spend the rest of your life, as an angry outsider, looking in. C: So you are thinking that spiritual life is some kind of contest that you can win and then lord over others? I am unfamiliar with this spiritual path Jim. I think you are confused here. I didn't doubt my progress I grew into a world view that did not recognize Maharishi's world view and perspective on my inner experience as authoritative. The anger routine you and Nabbie run is all projection. I am sharing my views on a subject that I am interested in here just as you do. J: This doesn't prevent either fool from spouting on at length about spiritual subjects, waaay out of their depth. C: I don't believe you and I would come to a consensus opinion about what the term spiritual refers to, so your opinion about my views is irrelevant to me. IF you are trying to self promote yourself as an expert in these matters, that will not happen for me. J: Barry will comment on Maharishi and his enlightenment, without giving it a second thought - yes, like a legless man, coaching a track team, Barry knows it all. J: Barry and Curtis wouldn't know a good meditation experience, if it walked up and shook their hand. C: Here you are disagreeing with Maharishi and his representatives who certified us both as experts in his meditation. Both of us were involved in years of advanced courses devoted to the development of experience with Maharishi's programs for higher states of consciousness and when both of us left we were trusted leaders in the organization. You can't rewrite history Jim. You may disagree with my opinion about Maharishi's teaching now, but as far as us ever experiencing what you are making such a fuss about, we are bot certified in it and you are a self proclaimed expert with no formal training comparatively. Not only would we both know a good meditation we were trained to evaluate claims by people like you. J: They are rank beginners, waiting anxiously to begin the process of discovering themselves. Let's not take the frightened murmurings
Re: [FairfieldLife] What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
Interesting stuff - I am curious about how you would characterize Phil Collins, when he was both drumming, and singing his songs? Obviously he is keeping time, and it is his band, but he seems to have a looser style than simply a time-keeper. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Kinda lame research. A bit of the blind men elephant type. They assume all drummers are time keepers. Actually there are two kinds of drummers: time keepers (captain of the rhythm section) and compers. There are a some who can even manage both roles. Time Keepers tend to be left brained but if the bass player decides he's going to be the time keeper the drummer loses. He can't overpower the influence of the bass line on time. Compers are more right brained and listen to the band and go with the flow of time of the lead. They tend to jell well with the band. I'm more of a comper because I started out playing to records and developed an ear for listening. Time keepers probably didn't do that and started out just playing with other musicians. If you are a comper and hired by a band that needs a time keeper things aren't going to go well. If you are a time keeper and the leader of a group wants the drummer to go with his rubato timing things won't go well either. Duke Ellington preferred comping drummers. The research shouldn't have sat in the grandstand but actually talked to musicians. On 05/16/2014 01:24 AM, salyavin808 wrote: They both suck without Cream. Yup, but here's a fascinating article about something we beat boys always knew instinctively. Science Shows How Drummers' Brains Are Actually Different From Everybody Elses' Science Shows How Drummers' Brains Are Actual... Their brains are in an artistic league of their own. View on www.policymic.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] HuffPost US vs. UK on the new Indian Prime Minister
On 5/16/2014 11:09 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: India seems to be doing a pendulum swing again from the more liberal socialist leadership to the conservative BJP. Big countries never can get things right. The young people have spoken - they are tired of the corruption, mismanagement, and poor economy of the dynastic Congress Party. It's not complicated. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
On 5/16/2014 11:07 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: However, the trend around here, for a couple of ex-TM teachers, seems to be to take credit for their status and knowledge as TM teachers, within an organization that they now completely discredit, and even denigrate. It's like they can't let go, so they come here for the memories and to make fun of their former compatriots - like we are going to listen to them any more. There's something else working here now - it's all about Judy. And, that's what makes it so weird. What is it with these guys anyway - /are they still trying to impress us?/ It's like a reverse attempt at mind-control. Who in their right mind would spend all this time trolling here just to antagonize people seeking spiritual truth? Why can't they just get over it and move on? There's nothing more boring than a reformed cultist preaching to a choir. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] HuffPost US vs. UK on the new Indian Prime Minister
On 05/16/2014 09:37 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 5/16/2014 11:09 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: India seems to be doing a pendulum swing again from the more liberal socialist leadership to the conservative BJP. Big countries never can get things right. The young people have spoken - they are tired of the corruption, mismanagement, and poor economy of the dynastic Congress Party. It's not complicated. Don't look to the BJP to solve that! :-D --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/16/2014 11:07 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: However, the trend around here, for a couple of ex-TM teachers, seems to be to take credit for their status and knowledge as TM teachers, within an organization that they now completely discredit, and even denigrate. It's like they can't let go, so they come here for the memories and to make fun of their former compatriots - like we are going to listen to them any more. There's something else working here now - it's all about Judy. And, that's what makes it so weird. What is it with these guys anyway - are they still trying to impress us? It's like a reverse attempt at mind-control. Who in their right mind would spend all this time trolling here just to antagonize people seeking spiritual truth? Why can't they just get over it and move on? There's nothing more boring than a reformed cultist preaching to a choir. Go figure. C:Your framing spin doesn't fit me Richard. I am as sincere a seeker of truth of anyone here. I rejected Maharishi's model because it doesn't fit what I consider the truth to be. You are just in shoot the messenger mode and it isn't gunna work. The problem I had with Maharishi's organization was not that it functioned like a cult. When I was in it I couldn't have cared less. The problem was that I don't think he is right about human consciousness. And that leads me to post on a site like this one as I figure out where I stand on various issues of interest to others on this board. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
[FairfieldLife] A nostalgia moment
I don't know what made me think of this, but does anyone else remember Biff from the Back to the Future movies? He started out looking like this, yer classic big guy with a tiny dick: But over time he morphed into pretty much the same big guy with the tiny dick, but now sagging and experiencing retirement panic: That's all. Just a nostalgia moment. It's not as if Biff reminds me of anyone. Really. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
Thanks for posting this, but it is difficult to understand why anyone would work in a cult movement for over twenty years and then turn around and refute almost everything they believed in before. And, then be so obsessive about it they would troll here to torment people still on the spiritual path. Over twenty years. My gawd, Man! I finished school, got married, raised a family and retired from a career in that length of time. So, I just can't figure it. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? On 5/16/2014 10:41 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It is not a no brainer to attempt to determine a person's experience by what they say, particularly just based on text they write. For example, Michael Jackson, to me, sounds angry at times, but I do not really know what he is experiencing. Judy does not typically sound angry to me most of the time. Barry doesn't sound angry to me either. In spite of what and how he writes he seems rather light hearted to me. Curtis is the more serious thinker and he has a forceful way of presenting his thoughts, but that does not mean he is pissed off. I tend to think of the world in terms of 'structure' and 'content'. Structure underlies content. Take a movie script. There is the structure - how it is put together, and content - what it is about. If we were to consider the art of film making, what makes a film work artistically is the structure; the content is an expression of the underlying structure. The content is 'more superficial' because the same kind of underlying structure can be used with different kinds of content. People who focus on content however will be more attracted to certain films and repelled by others even though they have the same basic artistic under pinnings. That is pretty much like being and form. Being is the underlying structure of experience, and content is the variable. The more you are moved by the content, the more your world is rocked for good or ill. Spiritual development has the characteristic of making a person more autonomous psychologically, that is, less reliance on others concerning how and what one thinks. Maharishi called it self sufficiency. So if these spiritual techniques work, a person should show more and more signs of independent thought and action as time goes on. That various people on this forum have left the TM movement through their own choice or not their own choice - both seem to indicate that self sufficiency and independence of thought are at play. The TMO does not tolerate independent thinking and expression more than a small degree when it comes to the corpus of what Maharishi left behind. So as one develops spiritually in any movement that has viable strategies for growth, if that movement does not encourage independence, self sufficiency, autonomous behaviour, there will eventually be a clash simply because of the success of those strategies. Traditionally a teacher, a 'master', teaches and the students eventually are sent off on their own to teach, or just live their independent autonomous lives. The problem exists when an organisation develops around a teaching, and independence of thought develops in those who are within that matrix of the organisation, by virtue of the organisations own teachings. It is thus the tendency that, for those with the most autonomous characteristics developing, to leave the nest, or be kicked out of the nest, because it is a necessity for further progress, and because for the organisation, since it develops a 'fixed canon' of ideas, for the organisation to maintain its content without alternation. In other words a breakdown of the relationship between an organisation and its developing students is inevitable, because of the growing freedom of the students mind and experience within the framework of an ever more constrained organisational structure as time progresses. This is to say that spiritual development of an individual person and a spiritual organisation tend to be eventually become antithetical to one another by their very nature. This does not mean everyone who becomes 'spiritually advanced' (a rather peculiar term considering what enlightenment is), will walk out or be excommunicated from the fold, but that it is a strong tendency that we observe. It might have to do with the intrinsic characteristics of an individual. Freedom can be scary, not necessarily comfortable. Spiritual progress in not necessarily a cakewalk. You can chicken out by staying in an organisation, staying in the womb, as much as by simply giving up. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] HuffPost US vs. UK on the new Indian Prime Minister
noozguru, I'm intrigued by your statement that big countries can't get it right. Can you say more? On Friday, May 16, 2014 11:52 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 05/16/2014 09:37 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 5/16/2014 11:09 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: India seems to be doing a pendulum swing again from the more liberal socialist leadership to the conservative BJP. Big countries never can get things right. The young people have spoken - they are tired of the corruption, mismanagement, and poor economy of the dynastic Congress Party. It's not complicated. Don't look to the BJP to solve that! :-D --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
On 5/16/2014 10:31 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Rank beginners in terms of spiritual advancement, not cult following. In terms of cult following, Barry and Curtis have us all beat, hands down. That is why they piss and moan about it, so often. Alright, being a follower of MMY for twenty years is one thing, but working for Fred Lenz? And post here claiming he witnessed hundreds of levitation events? It just boggles the mind - does anyone take this guy seriously? There's something else at work here - only an idiot would go online and brag about his relationship with Lenz, and at the same time make fun of followers of the Maharishi. It's just hilarious and bizarre! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Thanks for posting this, but it is difficult to understand why anyone would work in a cult movement for over twenty years and then turn around and refute almost everything they believed in before. C: Really? You can't understand why a person in their 30's might have some better insights about his beliefs adopted when he was 16 and held through his 20's? That doesn't say much for your own learning ability. R: And, then be so obsessive about it they would troll here to torment people still on the spiritual path. C: Let me wipe the lipstick off that pig for you Richard. To call what you and Jim do in your postings an expression of a spiritual path is laughable even from the perspective within the movement I left behind. And you might want to lay off the term obsessive considering your posting style. R: Over twenty years. My gawd, Man! I finished school, got married, raised a family and retired from a career in that length of time. So, I just can't figure it. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? C: Yeah I've been busy too Richard. Let's both skip the self congratulatory medals for living. On 5/16/2014 10:41 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It is not a no brainer to attempt to determine a person's experience by what they say, particularly just based on text they write. For example, Michael Jackson, to me, sounds angry at times, but I do not really know what he is experiencing. Judy does not typically sound angry to me most of the time. Barry doesn't sound angry to me either. In spite of what and how he writes he seems rather light hearted to me. Curtis is the more serious thinker and he has a forceful way of presenting his thoughts, but that does not mean he is pissed off. I tend to think of the world in terms of 'structure' and 'content'. Structure underlies content. Take a movie script. There is the structure - how it is put together, and content - what it is about. If we were to consider the art of film making, what makes a film work artistically is the structure; the content is an expression of the underlying structure. The content is 'more superficial' because the same kind of underlying structure can be used with different kinds of content. People who focus on content however will be more attracted to certain films and repelled by others even though they have the same basic artistic under pinnings. That is pretty much like being and form. Being is the underlying structure of experience, and content is the variable. The more you are moved by the content, the more your world is rocked for good or ill. Spiritual development has the characteristic of making a person more autonomous psychologically, that is, less reliance on others concerning how and what one thinks. Maharishi called it self sufficiency. So if these spiritual techniques work, a person should show more and more signs of independent thought and action as time goes on. That various people on this forum have left the TM movement through their own choice or not their own choice - both seem to indicate that self sufficiency and independence of thought are at play. The TMO does not tolerate independent thinking and expression more than a small degree when it comes to the corpus of what Maharishi left behind. So as one develops spiritually in any movement that has viable strategies for growth, if that movement does not encourage independence, self sufficiency, autonomous behaviour, there will eventually be a clash simply because of the success of those strategies. Traditionally a teacher, a 'master', teaches and the students eventually are sent off on their own to teach, or just live their independent autonomous lives. The problem exists when an organisation develops around a teaching, and independence of thought develops in those who are within that matrix of the organisation, by virtue of the organisations own teachings. It is thus the tendency that, for those with the most autonomous characteristics developing, to leave the nest, or be kicked out of the nest, because it is a necessity for further progress, and because for the organisation, since it develops a 'fixed canon' of ideas, for the organisation to maintain its content without alternation. In other words a breakdown of the relationship between an organisation and its developing students is inevitable, because of the growing freedom of the students mind and experience within the framework of an ever more constrained organisational structure as time progresses. This is to say that spiritual development of an individual person and a spiritual organisation tend to be eventually become antithetical to one another by their very nature. This does not mean everyone who becomes 'spiritually advanced' (a rather peculiar term considering what enlightenment is), will walk out or be excommunicated from the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
I admit I'm congratulating myself because most of the time I don't feel tormented. And if I do, then I practice a little EFT tapping or ho'oponopono. On Friday, May 16, 2014 12:15 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Thanks for posting this, but it is difficult to understand why anyone would work in a cult movement for over twenty years and then turn around and refute almost everything they believed in before. C: Really? You can't understand why a person in their 30's might have some better insights about his beliefs adopted when he was 16 and held through his 20's? That doesn't say much for your own learning ability. R: And, then be so obsessive about it they would troll here to torment people still on the spiritual path. C: Let me wipe the lipstick off that pig for you Richard. To call what you and Jim do in your postings an expression of a spiritual path is laughable even from the perspective within the movement I left behind. And you might want to lay off the term obsessive considering your posting style. R: Over twenty years. My gawd, Man! I finished school, got married, raised a family and retired from a career in that length of time. So, I just can't figure it. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? C: Yeah I've been busy too Richard. Let's both skip the self congratulatory medals for living. On 5/16/2014 10:41 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It is not a no brainer to attempt to determine a person's experience by what they say, particularly just based on text they write. For example, Michael Jackson, to me, sounds angry at times, but I do not really know what he is experiencing. Judy does not typically sound angry to me most of the time. Barry doesn't sound angry to me either. In spite of what and how he writes he seems rather light hearted to me. Curtis is the more serious thinker and he has a forceful way of presenting his thoughts, but that does not mean he is pissed off. I tend to think of the world in terms of 'structure' and 'content'. Structure underlies content. Take a movie script. There is the structure - how it is put together, and content - what it is about. If we were to consider the art of film making, what makes a film work artistically is the structure; the content is an expression of the underlying structure. The content is 'more superficial' because the same kind of underlying structure can be used with different kinds of content. People who focus on content however will be more attracted to certain films and repelled by others even though they have the same basic artistic under pinnings. That is pretty much like being and form. Being is the underlying structure of experience, and content is the variable. The more you are moved by the content, the more your world is rocked for good or ill. Spiritual development has the characteristic of making a person more autonomous psychologically, that is, less reliance on others concerning how and what one thinks. Maharishi called it self sufficiency. So if these spiritual techniques work, a person should show more and more signs of independent thought and action as time goes on. That various people on this forum have left the TM movement through their own choice or not their own choice - both seem to indicate that self sufficiency and independence of thought are at play. The TMO does not tolerate independent thinking and expression more than a small degree when it comes to the corpus of what Maharishi left behind. So as one develops spiritually in any movement that has viable strategies for growth, if that movement does not encourage independence, self sufficiency, autonomous behaviour, there will eventually be a clash simply because of the success of those strategies. Traditionally a teacher, a 'master', teaches and the students eventually are sent off on their own to teach, or just live their independent autonomous lives. The problem exists when an organisation develops around a teaching, and independence of thought develops in those who are within that matrix of the organisation, by virtue of the organisations own teachings. It is thus the tendency that, for those with the most autonomous characteristics developing, to leave the nest, or be kicked out of the nest, because it is a necessity for further progress, and because for the organisation, since it develops a 'fixed canon' of ideas, for the organisation to maintain its content without alternation. In other words a breakdown of the relationship between an organisation and its developing students is inevitable, because of the growing freedom of the students mind and experience within the framework of an ever more constrained organisational structure as time progresses. This is to say that spiritual development of an individual person and a spiritual organisation tend to be eventually become antithetical to one another by their
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sleeper TV show
Hey, I'm a fan of From Dusk til Dawn, both the original movie, and the TV series. Reviewers rank it pretty highly, actually, so its not just oddballs like me who like it. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/16/2014 2:09 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I've been watching it since the start, because I'm a real Robert Rodriguez fanboy. Typical America violent warfare stuff - perfect for a neo_Nazi skinhead Texas hick living over in flea-town playing games on a laptop and watching TV in his bedroom all day and night - all alone. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, even it's a chat room on the internet. Go figure. Like anyone on this forum would be interested in watching a dumb Rodriquez movie. LoL! This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
Drummers when they sing are focusing on the vocal not the drumming. But Collins is probably enough of a pro it doesn't matter. That's the thing, I only had problems with non-pro musicians on time or in one case when I subbed for a friend the leader had a heart condition which caused his tempo to vary. He explained it to me so I could lock down the tempo when he started to drift as he didn't want that to happen. On 05/16/2014 09:36 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Interesting stuff - I am curious about how you would characterize Phil Collins, when he was both drumming, and singing his songs? Obviously he is keeping time, and it is his band, but he seems to have a looser style than simply a time-keeper. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Kinda lame research. A bit of the blind men elephant type. They assume all drummers are time keepers. Actually there are two kinds of drummers: time keepers (captain of the rhythm section) and compers. There are a some who can even manage both roles. Time Keepers tend to be left brained but if the bass player decides he's going to be the time keeper the drummer loses. He can't overpower the influence of the bass line on time. Compers are more right brained and listen to the band and go with the flow of time of the lead. They tend to jell well with the band. I'm more of a comper because I started out playing to records and developed an ear for listening. Time keepers probably didn't do that and started out just playing with other musicians. If you are a comper and hired by a band that needs a time keeper things aren't going to go well. If you are a time keeper and the leader of a group wants the drummer to go with his rubato timing things won't go well either. Duke Ellington preferred comping drummers. The research shouldn't have sat in the grandstand but actually talked to musicians. On 05/16/2014 01:24 AM, salyavin808 wrote: They both suck without Cream. Yup, but here's a fascinating article about something we beat boys always knew instinctively. Science Shows How Drummers' Brains Are Actually Different From Everybody Elses' http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses image http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Science Shows How Drummers' Brains Are Actual... http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Their brains are in an artistic league of their own. View on www.policymic.com http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cutting Spam on FFL
On 5/16/2014 9:58 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I suspect Richard is referring just to your posts, Buck. Spam is somebody trying to sell us something. And, there's not much TMO news to report. The speed of movement news from the TMO could be compared to that of pouring molasses in winter. Nobody posting here seems to know what is going on in Vedic City, if anything. But, I will have to say that I am very impressed with what the TMO has been able to accomplish - it's very impressive when you consider that it was one tiny little bearded guy dressed in a bed sheet holding a rolled up carpet for a suitcase that got it all started. Credit where credit is due. Very impressive - considering what MMY had to work with when he got here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Whoa, TM/MIU/MUM are a sacred posting ground here. The TM/MIU/MUM postings to FFL are well grandfathered on to FFL as a kind of fact based postulate and original thought. They are a particularly protected and a substantial content of FFL. As essential FFL spiritual grist for the mill, we would be nothing here without TM the TM movement postings here, -Buck --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cutting Spam on FFL
On 5/16/2014 9:51 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: TM/MIU/MUM are a sacred posting ground here. Apparently there are zero TMO representatives posting here. But, I wonder how many TMO lurkers there are? You would think though, that at least one MUM student in ten years would have been interested in joining in the FFL conversation, considering how kids these days love to text and tweet these days. But, I guess they have better things to do with their time. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on
MJ: I am very happy to have been of some small service to the lady who recently got TM booted out of her son's school in San Francisco. We are so *happy* for you to finally accomplish something in your life. You should be very proud of your accomplishments, which are many indeed. What would our schools do with you are your valuable service? Happy! http://youtu.be/y6Sxv-sUYtM On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I am very happy to have been of some small service to the lady who recently got TM booted out of her son's school in San Francisco. Also my North Carolina buddy who has done TM since 1972 and recently ceased and desisted in part due to info I gave him is coming to visit this very evening. I think we'll make plans of how to neuter the TMO and maybe go glass a few TM'ers -wait, we aren't in the Scorpion Nation, we're in SC!!! On Fri, 5/16/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 11:57 AM Very fair observation, Fleetwood. And facing the enemies combatant who actively fight gainst larger spirituality, meditating an Maharishi. The anti-meditation neganauts even arrayed here. Especially the indictment of their negativist position of obstructing and keeping meditation from school educational design is no better than those religious nuts kidnapping all those school girls and selling them in to Islamic slavery. Certainly with people like those Nigerian religious ideological nuts in the news now, bringing in the drones and special forces to hunt them down, some of our own enemies combatant could certainly be hunted down as criminals against humanity for their ignorant and wrong asocial behaviors.-Buck in the Dome Yep, and yesterday's Zen Calendar quote is still good for today: “It is by silence that the saints grew, that it was because of silence that the power of [the Unified Field] grew in them, because of silence that the mysteries were known to them.” -The Desert Father Ammonas Fleetwood_macncheese writes: Boys, boys -- lest we get distracted. The original point was about, on the one hand, your relative lack of self-reported spiritual experience, and, on the other, your fantasized expertise, regarding same. I see a lot of hot air, but no answers to such a question. I admit it is a very tough question for either of you to address, head on, and I really don't expect as much. I am simply asking that you both be aware of your utter lack of experience, to back up any spiritual claims you may attempt. A little self-reflection would be very helpful, for either of you. fleetwood_macncheese writes: Enlightenment. Funny, because no one talks about this topic here, despite this forum's alleged purpose. Fellows like Barry (or Bawee) who criticizes Maharishi endlessly, haven't had a good meditation during this century. The criticizers have just a very small amount of spiritual experience between them. Even Curtis, the musician guy who meditated and rounded, with Sidhis, for 15 years, is not established in Being. So we have those here, who denigrate every bit of Maharishi's teaching, Guru Dev, TM and the siddhis. But these critics are not established in Being. They have weak and empty spiritual lives, and rather than working on that, they find it a great and happy distraction, to focus, instead, on someone else's perceived failings. That is not the purpose of this forum, to take pot shots at others, because of your own failures. I hope that Barry, Curtis and Michael all take this to heart, and the next time they open their mouths to fling an empty criticism at all things TM, they reflect, first, on their paucity of spiritual experience, and be aware of that.-Fleetwood turquoiseb writes: curtisdeltablues writes: fleetwood_macncheese writes: An enthusiastic response from me? Nope, just stay far enough away from me, to keep your bleeding heart from ruining my shirt. C:Your framing compassion for people suffering from a disease they did not choose and speaking out against your callus post as a bleeding heart makes my point perfectly. Especially coming from one of the Maharishi enlightened. This exchange illustrates my basic thesis on this forum. It REALLY DOESN'T MATTER what one *says* about people one doesn't like on FFL. All that matters is what the persons saying it do in their posts, as often-unintended accessories to what they say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] Does meditation make you SMART?
(Perhaps if you play drums and meditate?) Does meditation make you SMART? Letting your mind wander lets the brain process MORE thoughts than when concentrating Letting your mind wander is more effective than concentrating on emptying your head of thoughts, scientists said Researchers from St Olavs Hospital in Trondheim and the University of Oslo used MRI scanners to look at brain activity during meditations Concentrating on 'nothing' is only as effective as resting Meditation is practiced by millions of people but little is known about how it works Regardless of religious beliefs, many people attempt to meditate at busy times in their lives. And now a new study claims that meditation activates parts of the brain that simple ‘relaxing’ cannot. People who meditate process more ideas and feelings than when they are just resting and letting your mind wander is more effective than concentrating on emptying your head of thoughts, scientists said. +2 Focus: The experts discovered that letting your mind wander is more effective than concentrating on emptying your head of thoughts when meditating. The left images show the brain during concentrative meditation, while images to the right show the brain during nondirective meditation Researchers from St Olavs Hospital in Trondheim, Norway, believe their findings - published in the journal Frontiers in Human Neuroscience - suggest that meditation is more than just a way to lower stress. There are countless techniques such as Zen, Buddhist and transcendental meditation and these can be divided into two main groups known as ‘concentrative’ meditation where the person focuses on breathing and specific thoughts and ‘nondirective’ which allows the mind to wander as it pleases. All the participants in the study had experience with a nondirective form of meditation practiced in Norway called Acem. Using an MRI scanner, the experiment showed that the part of their brains dedicated to processing self-related thoughts and feelings were more active during the activity than at rest. When test subjects performed concentrative meditation, the activity in this part of the brain was almost the same as when they were just resting. Dr Jian Xu, of St Olavs, said: ‘I was surprised the activity of the brain was greatest when the person’s thoughts wandered freely on their own, rather than when the brain worked to be more strongly focused. ‘When the subjects stopped doing a specific task and were not really doing anything special, there was an increase in activity in the area of the brain where we process thoughts and feelings. ‘It is described as a kind of resting network. And it was this area that was most active during nondirective meditation.’ Professor Svend Davanger, of the University of Oslo, said: ‘The study indicates nondirective meditation allows for more room to process memories and emotions than during concentrated meditation. ‘This area of the brain has its highest activity when we rest. It represents a kind of basic operating system; a resting network that takes over when external tasks do not require our attention. ‘It is remarkable a mental task like nondirective meditation results in even higher activity in this network than regular rest.’ Professor Davanger is the only member of the research team to regularly meditate and he believes that good research depends on having a team that can combine personal experience of meditation with a critical attitude towards results. ‘Meditation is an activity practiced by millions of people. It is important we find out how this really works,’ he added. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2630446/Does-meditation-make-SMART-Letting-mind-wander-lets-brains-process-MORE-thoughts-concentrating.html#ixzz31uAyB4f3 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2630446/Does-meditation-make-SMART-Letting-mind-wander-lets-brains-process-MORE-thoughts-concentrating.html#ixzz31uAyB4f3
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on
All the good stuff I learnt raght cheer on FFL! On Fri, 5/16/14, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 3:30 PM So which info did you give him to dissuade him to cease TM after 40+ years of practice? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am very happy to have been of some small service to the lady who recently got TM booted out of her son's school in San Francisco. Also my North Carolina buddy who has done TM since 1972 and recently ceased and desisted in part due to info I gave him is coming to visit this very evening. I think we'll make plans of how to neuter the TMO and maybe go glass a few TM'ers -wait, we aren't in the Scorpion Nation, we're in SC!!! On Fri, 5/16/14, dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 11:57 AM Very fair observation, Fleetwood. And facing the enemies combatant who actively fight gainst larger spirituality, meditating an Maharishi. The anti-meditation neganauts even arrayed here. Especially the indictment of their negativist position of obstructing and keeping meditation from school educational design is no better than those religious nuts kidnapping all those school girls and selling them in to Islamic slavery. Certainly with people like those Nigerian religious ideological nuts in the news now, bringing in the drones and special forces to hunt them down, some of our own enemies combatant could certainly be hunted down as criminals against humanity for their ignorant and wrong asocial behaviors.-Buck in the Dome Yep, and yesterday's Zen Calendar quote is still good for today: “It is by silence that the saints grew, that it was because of silence that the power of [the Unified Field] grew in them, because of silence that the mysteries were known to them.” -The Desert Father Ammonas Fleetwood_macncheese writes: Boys, boys -- lest we get distracted. The original point was about, on the one hand, your relative lack of self-reported spiritual experience, and, on the other, your fantasized expertise, regarding same. I see a lot of hot air, but no answers to such a question. I admit it is a very tough question for either of you to address, head on, and I really don't expect as much. I am simply asking that you both be aware of your utter lack of experience, to back up any spiritual claims you may attempt. A little self-reflection would be very helpful, for either of you. fleetwood_macncheese writes: Enlightenment. Funny, because no one talks about this topic here, despite this forum's alleged purpose. Fellows like Barry (or Bawee) who criticizes Maharishi endlessly, haven't had a good meditation during this century. The criticizers have just a very small amount of spiritual experience between them. Even Curtis, the musician guy who meditated and rounded, with Sidhis, for 15 years, is not established in Being. So we have those here, who denigrate every bit of Maharishi's teaching, Guru Dev, TM and the siddhis. But these critics are not established in Being. They have weak and empty spiritual lives, and rather than working on that, they find it a great and happy distraction, to focus, instead, on someone else's perceived failings. That is not the purpose of this forum, to take pot shots at others, because of your own failures. I hope that Barry, Curtis and Michael all take this to heart, and the next time they open their mouths to fling an empty criticism at all things TM, they reflect, first, on their paucity of spiritual experience, and be aware of that.-Fleetwood turquoiseb writes: curtisdeltablues writes: fleetwood_macncheese writes: An enthusiastic response from me? Nope, just stay far enough away from me, to keep your bleeding heart from ruining my shirt. C:Your framing compassion for people suffering from a disease they did not choose and speaking out against your callus post as a bleeding heart makes my point perfectly. Especially coming from one of the Maharishi enlightened. This exchange illustrates my basic thesis on this forum. It REALLY DOESN'T MATTER what one *says* about people one doesn't like on FFL. All that matters is what the persons saying it do in their
Re: [FairfieldLife] What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
Virtually every drummer of every heavy metal band that has followed since Fresh Cream has sought to emulate some aspect of Baker's playing. Ginger Baker Live at Royal Albert Hall - Toad solo http://youtu.be/4Gze0PxDKgQ On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:24 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: They both suck without Cream. Yup, but here's a fascinating article about something we beat boys always knew instinctively. Science Shows How Drummers' Brains Are Actually Different From Everybody Elses'http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses [image: image] http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Science Shows How Drummers' Brains Are Actual... http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Their brains are in an artistic league of their own. View on www.policymic.com http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
On 5/16/2014 12:15 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Thanks for posting this, but it is difficult to understand why anyone would work in a cult movement for over twenty years and then turn around and refute almost everything they believed in before. C: Really? You can't understand why a person in their 30's might have some better insights about his beliefs adopted when he was 16 and held through his 20's? I'm mostly going on what Barry says about it, but I learned not to lie, cheat, steal, and make stuff up when I was about seven years old and I haven't changed my mind about those things since. According to Barry, you guys sold water down by the river and gave the money to Marshy and Lenz for years. What was right about that then and so wrong about it now? That's the part I can't figure out. Or, maybe Barry is just lying about the whole thing and it's all about Judy. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
On 5/16/2014 12:15 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: To call what you and Jim do in your postings an expression of a spiritual path is laughable even from the perspective within the movement I left behind. So, I don't have to /prove/ anything in a debate - all I have to do is point out the absurdity of your statements when they are taken to extremes - and cast an element of doubt. /Every statement when it is taken to extremes will be found to be self-contradictory./ --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
On 5/16/2014 12:15 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: R: Over twenty years. My gawd, Man! I finished school, got married, raised a family and retired from a career in that length of time. So, I just can't figure it. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? C: Yeah I've been busy too Richard. Let's both skip the self congratulatory medals for living. It's just that it seems like most of the people posting that still do TM are doing quite well - it's the quitters that seem to be having a hard time. I post here out of a sense of joy, but most of the time, the quitters posting here are just bitching and complaining and blaming others for their own failures. I mean, how difficult is it to just pause once or twice a day and think things over? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
Not necessarily. A lot of drummers learned rudimental drumming in high school. A lot of Baker's playing verged on that. It may just sound like they are influenced by Baker. On 05/16/2014 11:46 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Virtually every drummer of every heavy metal band that has followed since Fresh Cream has sought to emulate some aspect of Baker's playing. Ginger Baker Live at Royal Albert Hall - Toad solo http://youtu.be/4Gze0PxDKgQ On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:24 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: They both suck without Cream. Yup, but here's a fascinating article about something we beat boys always knew instinctively. Science Shows How Drummers' Brains Are Actually Different From Everybody Elses' http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses image http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Science Shows How Drummers' Brains Are Actual... http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Their brains are in an artistic league of their own. View on www.policymic.com http://www.policymic.com/articles/89363/science-shows-how-drummers-brains-are-actually-different-from-everybody-elses Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] A nostalgia moment
On 5/16/2014 11:56 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I don't know what made me think of this, but does anyone else remember Biff from the Back to the Future movies? He's still got his hair, which is probably more than you can claim. And, it looks like he still got his own teeth too. We don't know for sure about your mug until you send in your latest self-portrait. Why is it taking you so long? We know you have an iPhone with a camera in it. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] HuffPost US vs. UK on the new Indian Prime Minister
Weren't paying much to the last 50 years of US politics? On 05/16/2014 10:11 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: noozguru, I'm intrigued by your statement that big countries can't get it right. Can you say more? On Friday, May 16, 2014 11:52 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 05/16/2014 09:37 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com mailto:pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 5/16/2014 11:09 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: India seems to be doing a pendulum swing again from the more liberal socialist leadership to the conservative BJP. Big countries never can get things right. The young people have spoken - they are tired of the corruption, mismanagement, and poor economy of the dynastic Congress Party. It's not complicated. Don't look to the BJP to solve that! :-D --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
A bit tense and inaccurate, but sounds quite good, though: http://drummerworld.com/Videos/gingerbakerrudiments.html http://drummerworld.com/Videos/gingerbakerrudiments.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
On 5/16/2014 11:54 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The problem was that I don't think he is right about human consciousness. And that leads me to post on a site like this one as I figure out where I stand on various issues of interest to others on this board. This is not about you, Curtis, it's mostly about Barry. But, I would have thought you would have come to question MMY's human consciousness model about midway in your first Philosophy 101 course. So, why did it take you so many years to put it all together? It's just odd that you'd want to discuss anything here with the likes of Barry, seeing as how you feel now. Go figure. And, what in the world would MMY have to do with you practicing basic TM anyway? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
Makes sense -- great story about the drifting tempo - ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Drummers when they sing are focusing on the vocal not the drumming. But Collins is probably enough of a pro it doesn't matter. That's the thing, I only had problems with non-pro musicians on time or in one case when I subbed for a friend the leader had a heart condition which caused his tempo to vary. He explained it to me so I could lock down the tempo when he started to drift as he didn't want that to happen. On 05/16/2014 09:36 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Interesting stuff - I am curious about how you would characterize Phil Collins, when he was both drumming, and singing his songs? Obviously he is keeping time, and it is his band, but he seems to have a looser style than simply a time-keeper. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Kinda lame research. A bit of the blind men elephant type. They assume all drummers are time keepers. Actually there are two kinds of drummers: time keepers (captain of the rhythm section) and compers. There are a some who can even manage both roles. Time Keepers tend to be left brained but if the bass player decides he's going to be the time keeper the drummer loses. He can't overpower the influence of the bass line on time. Compers are more right brained and listen to the band and go with the flow of time of the lead. They tend to jell well with the band. I'm more of a comper because I started out playing to records and developed an ear for listening. Time keepers probably didn't do that and started out just playing with other musicians. If you are a comper and hired by a band that needs a time keeper things aren't going to go well. If you are a time keeper and the leader of a group wants the drummer to go with his rubato timing things won't go well either. Duke Ellington preferred comping drummers. The research shouldn't have sat in the grandstand but actually talked to musicians. On 05/16/2014 01:24 AM, salyavin808 wrote: They both suck without Cream. Yup, but here's a fascinating article about something we beat boys always knew instinctively. Science Shows How Drummers' Brains Are Actually Different From Everybody Elses' Science Shows How Drummers' Brains Are Actual... Their brains are in an artistic league of their own. View on www.policymic.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] HuffPost US vs. UK on the new Indian Prime Minister
On 5/16/2014 11:52 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 05/16/2014 09:37 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 5/16/2014 11:09 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: India seems to be doing a pendulum swing again from the more liberal socialist leadership to the conservative BJP. Big countries never can get things right. The young people have spoken - they are tired of the corruption, mismanagement, and poor economy of the dynastic Congress Party. It's not complicated. Don't look to the BJP to solve that! :-D There are probably a million new voters coming of voting age every month in India and they want a change of leadership after sixty-seven years of Gandhi rule - the country is in a shambles, so change was inevitable. If you can't make the country right in 67 years, maybe it's time to try something else. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
A few were nice, like Rick's brother-in-law, and Mark P, and a couple were real pricks, but easy enough to avoid - The work was really hard, and physical, so there wasn't room for much elitist stuff, and we got a lot of latitude, as a result. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I don't know why I am asking this, maybe cuz of my low opinion of Movement facility leaders like Reed Martin, et al - but what were the people like who ran Kansas City Sidhaland? Did they act like they had good sense? On Fri, 5/16/14, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 3:45 PM Hey, Michael, I was at the Kansas City Siddhaland, while Curtis was wasting his time in Florida. There were no additional techniques, and we were not invited to perfect the sidhis, simply to learn them. That was in 1979-80. You have to be careful listening to either Barry or Curtis, as both of them are eager to tell lies to cover their lack of spiritual advancement. Just sayin'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Curtis, can you tell us anything about your experiences in Sidhaland? I had never heard that the invitation was given out for people to perfect the siddhis - was that only at a Sidhaland, or was it in all Movement facilities. Were any additional techniques given out, or was it just perfecting them through practice? Thanks, MJ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/16/2014 12:15 PM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: R: Over twenty years. My gawd, Man! I finished school, got married, raised a family and retired from a career in that length of time. So, I just can't figure it. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? C: Yeah I've been busy too Richard. Let's both skip the self congratulatory medals for living. It's just that it seems like most of the people posting that still do TM are doing quite well - it's the quitters that seem to be having a hard time. C: Yeah well that is just bullshit and how would you know such a thing? And calling moving on quitting is Buck's tiny world, what are you doing in it? R:I post here out of a sense of joy, but most of the time, the quitters posting here are just bitching and complaining C: Is it that you don't see that you are bitching and complaining about other people here or that you do but you haven't made the connection that this makes no sense? R: and blaming others for their own failures. C: I call dipshittery, no one has done this, you made it up. R: I mean, how difficult is it to just pause once or twice a day and think things over? Go figure. C: This is your torettes loop which defies all logic or connection to Maharishi's teaching. Does the endless repetition make you feel calmer? Seriously? But since you mentioned it, this doesn't match my experience with TM or with mindfulness meditation. I am thinking things over all day long. When I meditate I am seeking a different internal mix of attention than my active thinking mind. Although they seem to accomplish this goal differently, both do achieve what I am looking for. And neither of them would be characterized as thinking things over Either we are not connecting on the meaning of these words, or you need a checking Richard. When you are aware you are not thinking the mantra, come back to it. Don't choose to pursue thoughts as you do when you need to think things over. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
Hey, Carde, ever heard of a unit of measure called a poronkusema? Apparently the Samis use it - the distance a reindeer travels before it has to pee. I just found out today. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote : A bit tense and inaccurate, but sounds quite good, though: http://drummerworld.com/Videos/gingerbakerrudiments.html http://drummerworld.com/Videos/gingerbakerrudiments.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
Curtis writes: The problem was that I don't think he [Maharishi] is right about human consciousness. I am willing to bet a jelly donut, that the other mouthy ex-TM teacher on FFL, agrees with you, here. My only question is: How do you know Maharishi is wrong, if you have not completed the first step in his model of human conciousness, Cosmic Consciousness? It is like saying I do not like Alaska, but I have never been there. The basis of Maharisi's model, is Being. Being established in Silence. Also known subjectively, as, witnessing. You and the other guy do not, by your own admission, experience witnessing 24x7, and yet you have the balls to say that even though, you do not experience it, and cannot experience it, you don't like it?? I have never come across a more close-minded and idiotic perspective on TM. Neither one of you is established in Being, and yet you say, without having experienced it, and without knowing the first thing about Maharishi's model of consciousness, that you deny it. That is some silly and stupid shit, Curtis, and if I were you, I'd probably choose to keep very quiet from now on, regarding Maharishi's model of consciousness, or any other model of consciousness. This is what I mean about your utter lack of credibility.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/16/2014 11:54 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The problem was that I don't think he is right about human consciousness. And that leads me to post on a site like this one as I figure out where I stand on various issues of interest to others on this board. This is not about you, Curtis, it's mostly about Barry. C: Apparently your mostly left room for you to include me expliscitely. R: But, I would have thought you would have come to question MMY's human consciousness model about midway in your first Philosophy 101 course. So, why did it take you so many years to put it all together? C: You would think. But I had PHDs carefully shaping our conclusions. We were questioning lots, but the conclusion always came back to the empirical experience of Unity Consciousness. We figured that with that experience we were fulfilling the strictest epistemological criteria. The students who were able to maintain more intellectual integrity and challenged the system further got a big reaction from the admin. But they were teachers who didn't have TTC recommendations hanging over their heads. I was trained to be a company man early. I was also very young so it was not likely that I would have the confidence to challenge my professors. I am glad in some ways I didn't catch on then, my college life would have been hell instead of wonderful. The key piece for me to put it together was from outside sources that I had not found or did not exist then. It was a bit of an intellectual rabbit warren to untangle and it all took time. Plus I had been worked over pretty good with the devotion to the master routine. I had a lot of phobias against thinking too far outside the box. When it came crashing down it was quite a shock. R: It's just odd that you'd want to discuss anything here with the likes of Barry, seeing as how you feel now. Go figure. C: And I'm sure he thinks it is odd for me to want to discuss anything with you. I post here to interact with people who think differently than I do. It is how I can locate my intellectual edges. R: And, what in the world would MMY have to do with you practicing basic TM anyway? C: He had a lot, I was quickly indoctrinated into the master disciple relationship model. But I didn't stop TM because I thought Maharishi was a bad guy, I stopped because I thought he was wrong in his theories of human consciousness. I still do. That doesn't mean that TM won't turn out to be a useful mental trick to have in our tool box. It is for me. But his beliefs about it were too embroiled in his fundamentalist Hinduism for them to make sense to my perspective now. I believe he was a victim of his own success, kind of a tragic figure. Still amazing, but not what I would call a saint. I work with some of those and it is a completely different type of person who fits my criteria. No Donald Trumps in a dhoti! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: A nostalgia moment
Back to the Future (1985): Where Are They Now? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOh45HZV26U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOh45HZV26U Back to the Future (1985): Where Are They Now? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOh45HZV26U find out what happen to the 1985 movie, Back to the Future. View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOh45HZV26U Preview by Yahoo .. there are people just passing by not realizing who he is Tom Wilson - New York City http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09-9DLMpOwk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09-9DLMpOwk Tom Wilson - New York City http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09-9DLMpOwk Skyscrapers and everything... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09-9DLMpOwk Preview by Yahoo Tom Wilson Stand-up Comedy Demo 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6doN7IEgXc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6doN7IEgXc Tom Wilson Stand-up Comedy Demo 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6doN7IEgXc This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6doN7IEgXc Preview by Yahoo I don't get irritated, I just wrote a funny song about it ..enjoy thanks turqioiseB
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
Curtis, can you say in a nutshell what about consciousness you think Maharishi got wrong? On Friday, May 16, 2014 2:58 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/16/2014 11:54 AM, curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The problem was that I don't think he is right about human consciousness. And that leads me to post on a site like this one as I figure out where I stand on various issues of interest to others on this board. This is not about you, Curtis, it's mostly about Barry. C: Apparently your mostly left room for you to include me expliscitely. R: But, I would have thought you would have come to question MMY's human consciousness model about midway in your first Philosophy 101 course. So, why did it take you so many years to put it all together? C: You would think. But I had PHDs carefully shaping our conclusions. We were questioning lots, but the conclusion always came back to the empirical experience of Unity Consciousness. We figured that with that experience we were fulfilling the strictest epistemological criteria. The students who were able to maintain more intellectual integrity and challenged the system further got a big reaction from the admin. But they were teachers who didn't have TTC recommendations hanging over their heads. I was trained to be a company man early. I was also very young so it was not likely that I would have the confidence to challenge my professors. I am glad in some ways I didn't catch on then, my college life would have been hell instead of wonderful. The key piece for me to put it together was from outside sources that I had not found or did not exist then. It was a bit of an intellectual rabbit warren to untangle and it all took time. Plus I had been worked over pretty good with the devotion to the master routine. I had a lot of phobias against thinking too far outside the box. When it came crashing down it was quite a shock. R: It's just odd that you'd want to discuss anything here with the likes of Barry, seeing as how you feel now. Go figure. C: And I'm sure he thinks it is odd for me to want to discuss anything with you. I post here to interact with people who think differently than I do. It is how I can locate my intellectual edges. R: And, what in the world would MMY have to do with you practicing basic TM anyway? C: He had a lot, I was quickly indoctrinated into the master disciple relationship model. But I didn't stop TM because I thought Maharishi was a bad guy, I stopped because I thought he was wrong in his theories of human consciousness. I still do. That doesn't mean that TM won't turn out to be a useful mental trick to have in our tool box. It is for me. But his beliefs about it were too embroiled in his fundamentalist Hinduism for them to make sense to my perspective now. I believe he was a victim of his own success, kind of a tragic figure. Still amazing, but not what I would call a saint. I work with some of those and it is a completely different type of person who fits my criteria. No Donald Trumps in a dhoti! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis writes: The problem was that I don't think he [Maharishi] is right about human consciousness. I am willing to bet a jelly donut, that the other mouthy ex-TM teacher on FFL, agrees with you, here. My only question is: How do you know Maharishi is wrong, if you have not completed the first step in his model of human conciousness, Cosmic Consciousness? C: You have no idea what I have experienced or what I am experiencing Jim. You are caught in his intellectual model. I do not see the states achieved in his programs as a positive thing. You are a perfect example of the downsides. The inability to internally distinguish fact from fantasy. It comes across in all of your writing here. You also exhibit traits of lack of healthy intellectual and emotional boundaries. That is also very obvious from your unpleasant behavior here. J:It is like saying I do not like Alaska, but I have never been there. C: You have no idea where I have been or what I am basing my conclusions on. C: The basis of Maharisi's model, is Being. Being established in Silence. Also known subjectively, as, witnessing. J: You and the other guy do not, by your own admission, experience witnessing 24x7, and yet you have the balls to say that even though, you do not experience it, and cannot experience it, you don't like it?? C: I have admitted nothing. You are not privy to my inner experiences. You are a troll Jim. plain and simple. You have a group where you can crow about your glorious inner experience but you choose to come here to try to pretend you are an expert to people who don't care. What's up with that? J: I have never come across a more close-minded and idiotic perspective on TM. Neither one of you is established in Being, and yet you say, without having experienced it, and without knowing the first thing about Maharishi's model of consciousness, that you deny it. C: You can't even articulate my perspective Jim. You have no idea what it is. You don't even have a detailed grasp of Maharishi's teaching. You are trying to present yourself as something I am not buying Jim. But hey you have Nabbie, so be happy for that. J: That is some silly and stupid shit, Curtis, and if I were you, I'd probably choose to keep very quiet from now on, regarding Maharishi's model of consciousness, or any other model of consciousness. C: Yeah, well you aren't me Jim so your attempt to shut me up has failed miserably. I will be posting my perspective as much as it pleases me. J: This is what I mean about your utter lack of credibility. C: Coming from you that is much appreciated. I would worry if it were otherwise.
Re: [FairfieldLife] HuffPost US vs. UK on the new Indian Prime Minister
On 05/16/2014 12:23 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 5/16/2014 11:52 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 05/16/2014 09:37 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 5/16/2014 11:09 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: India seems to be doing a pendulum swing again from the more liberal socialist leadership to the conservative BJP. Big countries never can get things right. The young people have spoken - they are tired of the corruption, mismanagement, and poor economy of the dynastic Congress Party. It's not complicated. Don't look to the BJP to solve that! :-D There are probably a million new voters coming of voting age every month in India and they want a change of leadership after sixty-seven years of Gandhi rule - the country is in a shambles, so change was inevitable. If you can't make the country right in 67 years, maybe it's time to try something else. The BJP didn't work before they won't now either. India is one of the most corrupt countries on earth. It is run by the oligarchs. It's a plutocracy just like the US. Can't win with people who are so deluded they believe they are doing God's work. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
Thumbs top grip. This is usually a grip for tympani. On 05/16/2014 12:16 PM, cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: A bit tense and inaccurate, but sounds quite good, though: http://drummerworld.com/Videos/gingerbakerrudiments.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] A nostalgia moment
Tom Wilson (Biff) performs The Question Song on WEBN
On Fri, 5/16/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] A nostalgia moment
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 4:56 PM
I don't know what made me think of this, but does
anyone else remember Biff from the Back to the
Future movies? He started out looking like this, yer
classic big guy with a tiny
dick:
But over time he morphed into pretty much the same
big guy with the tiny dick, but now sagging and experiencing
retirement panic:
That's all. Just a nostalgia moment. It's not
as if Biff reminds me of anyone. Really.
:-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
Oh, Curtis, no need to play COY - It is clear you do not witness 24x7, are not established in Being, and have no clue what it was you were supposed to be teaching others to accomplish, during your daze as a TM-teacher. Quit the smoke-screen. You and the other phony enlightened ex-TM teacher on here, can wander and wonder about TM, and enlightenment, all you want. However, until you have a clue, please keep it to yourselves. Thanks - Peace, and out - ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis writes: The problem was that I don't think he [Maharishi] is right about human consciousness. I am willing to bet a jelly donut, that the other mouthy ex-TM teacher on FFL, agrees with you, here. My only question is: How do you know Maharishi is wrong, if you have not completed the first step in his model of human conciousness, Cosmic Consciousness? C: You have no idea what I have experienced or what I am experiencing Jim. You are caught in his intellectual model. I do not see the states achieved in his programs as a positive thing. You are a perfect example of the downsides. The inability to internally distinguish fact from fantasy. It comes across in all of your writing here. You also exhibit traits of lack of healthy intellectual and emotional boundaries. That is also very obvious from your unpleasant behavior here. J:It is like saying I do not like Alaska, but I have never been there. C: You have no idea where I have been or what I am basing my conclusions on. C: The basis of Maharisi's model, is Being. Being established in Silence. Also known subjectively, as, witnessing. J: You and the other guy do not, by your own admission, experience witnessing 24x7, and yet you have the balls to say that even though, you do not experience it, and cannot experience it, you don't like it?? C: I have admitted nothing. You are not privy to my inner experiences. You are a troll Jim. plain and simple. You have a group where you can crow about your glorious inner experience but you choose to come here to try to pretend you are an expert to people who don't care. What's up with that? J: I have never come across a more close-minded and idiotic perspective on TM. Neither one of you is established in Being, and yet you say, without having experienced it, and without knowing the first thing about Maharishi's model of consciousness, that you deny it. C: You can't even articulate my perspective Jim. You have no idea what it is. You don't even have a detailed grasp of Maharishi's teaching. You are trying to present yourself as something I am not buying Jim. But hey you have Nabbie, so be happy for that. J: That is some silly and stupid shit, Curtis, and if I were you, I'd probably choose to keep very quiet from now on, regarding Maharishi's model of consciousness, or any other model of consciousness. C: Yeah, well you aren't me Jim so your attempt to shut me up has failed miserably. I will be posting my perspective as much as it pleases me. J: This is what I mean about your utter lack of credibility. C: Coming from you that is much appreciated. I would worry if it were otherwise.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, can you say in a nutshell what about consciousness you think Maharishi got wrong? C: Thanks for asking Share. You will get more than a nutshell because this is a rich topic. The first fundamental problem for me is that he was shaping our view of our experiences from his techniques from a religious perspective created in a pre-scientific society. He made many unwarranted assumptions about the value of his techniques or what he was doing to our brains. Although they are highly addictive and pleasurable states of mind, I see no evidence that they improve anyone's thinking or creative processes. I see evidence of the opposite at least at higher levels of exposure. High exposure leads to an erosion of the ability to distinguish internal and external experiences. This causes a lot of problems that show up in claims here. I challenge his fundamental assumption that knowledge is structured in consciousness. This is epistemological bogus and psychologically manipulative. It comes from a non modern view of what knowledge is that had its birth in a caste system controlled culture. If you see what Jim is attempting to assume here by virtue of his self reported grandiose claims of experiences you can see where this belief leads socially. It has been rejected by all modern societies for good reason. Because of Maharishi's religiously motivated agenda, he was unable to combine more modern theories of the mind with his POV to expand it. He was unwilling to be humble about the limits of his knowledge and instead presented himself and his teacher as more than human with the appropriate humility concerning the human condition. He used science as marketing like a charlatan with zero respect for its methods. Over time this killed what could have been a much more interesting endeavor. He was a superstitious man and had the intellectual failing of hubris which clouded his judgement and turned a fascinatingly bright man into a caricature of himself. He became fat Elvis. I also challenge his assumption about the silent state of meditation as either being our true Self or having any trans-personal implications about how the world works. The sidhis were supposed to be the proof of his trans-personal claims about the absolute but that test failed by his own created standards and criteria. So we are now left with people feeling different subjective things in the sidhis that cannot be tested and studied as well as grandiose claims about its affects on the world. I respect that Maharishi set up a legitimate test of his theories, but I do not respect that neither he nor his organization acknowledged the falsification of his theory by the lack of siddhi performance. He failed with his own clearly stated and self created test. That is just off the top of my head. But that is ten minutes worth and I hope you enjoy it. Please feel free to share your perspective. On Friday, May 16, 2014 2:58 PM, curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/16/2014 11:54 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The problem was that I don't think he is right about human consciousness. And that leads me to post on a site like this one as I figure out where I stand on various issues of interest to others on this board. This is not about you, Curtis, it's mostly about Barry. C: Apparently your mostly left room for you to include me expliscitely. R: But, I would have thought you would have come to question MMY's human consciousness model about midway in your first Philosophy 101 course. So, why did it take you so many years to put it all together? C: You would think. But I had PHDs carefully shaping our conclusions. We were questioning lots, but the conclusion always came back to the empirical experience of Unity Consciousness. We figured that with that experience we were fulfilling the strictest epistemological criteria. The students who were able to maintain more intellectual integrity and challenged the system further got a big reaction from the admin. But they were teachers who didn't have TTC recommendations hanging over their heads. I was trained to be a company man early. I was also very young so it was not likely that I would have the confidence to challenge my professors. I am glad in some ways I didn't catch on then, my college life would have been hell instead of wonderful. The key piece for me to put it together was from outside sources that I had not found or did not exist then. It was a bit of an intellectual rabbit warren to untangle and it all took time. Plus I had been worked over pretty good with the devotion to the master routine. I had a lot of phobias against thinking too far outside the box. When it came crashing down it was quite a shock. R:
Re: [FairfieldLife] HuffPost US vs. UK on the new Indian Prime Minister
noozguru, guilty as charged! By big, do you mean large in square miles or population or influence? On Friday, May 16, 2014 2:14 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Weren't paying much to the last 50 years of US politics? On 05/16/2014 10:11 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: noozguru, I'm intrigued by your statement that big countries can't get it right. Can you say more? On Friday, May 16, 2014 11:52 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 05/16/2014 09:37 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 5/16/2014 11:09 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: India seems to be doing a pendulum swing again from the more liberal socialist leadership to the conservative BJP. Big countries never can get things right. The young people have spoken - they are tired of the corruption, mismanagement, and poor economy of the dynastic Congress Party. It's not complicated. Don't look to the BJP to solve that! :-D --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Oh, Curtis, no need to play COY - It is clear you do not witness 24x7, are not established in Being, C: Glad you settled that Jim. Do tell. J: and have no clue what it was you were supposed to be teaching others to accomplish, during your daze as a TM-teacher. C: Glad you settled that Jim. Do tell. j: Quit the smoke-screen. You and the other phony enlightened ex-TM teacher on here, can wander and wonder about TM, and enlightenment, all you want. However, until you have a clue, please keep it to yourselves. C: Glad you settled that Jim. Do tell. J: Thanks - Peace, and out - C: I call bullshit on that. Let's see who is right. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis writes: The problem was that I don't think he [Maharishi] is right about human consciousness. I am willing to bet a jelly donut, that the other mouthy ex-TM teacher on FFL, agrees with you, here. My only question is: How do you know Maharishi is wrong, if you have not completed the first step in his model of human conciousness, Cosmic Consciousness? C: You have no idea what I have experienced or what I am experiencing Jim. You are caught in his intellectual model. I do not see the states achieved in his programs as a positive thing. You are a perfect example of the downsides. The inability to internally distinguish fact from fantasy. It comes across in all of your writing here. You also exhibit traits of lack of healthy intellectual and emotional boundaries. That is also very obvious from your unpleasant behavior here. J:It is like saying I do not like Alaska, but I have never been there. C: You have no idea where I have been or what I am basing my conclusions on. C: The basis of Maharisi's model, is Being. Being established in Silence. Also known subjectively, as, witnessing. J: You and the other guy do not, by your own admission, experience witnessing 24x7, and yet you have the balls to say that even though, you do not experience it, and cannot experience it, you don't like it?? C: I have admitted nothing. You are not privy to my inner experiences. You are a troll Jim. plain and simple. You have a group where you can crow about your glorious inner experience but you choose to come here to try to pretend you are an expert to people who don't care. What's up with that? J: I have never come across a more close-minded and idiotic perspective on TM. Neither one of you is established in Being, and yet you say, without having experienced it, and without knowing the first thing about Maharishi's model of consciousness, that you deny it. C: You can't even articulate my perspective Jim. You have no idea what it is. You don't even have a detailed grasp of Maharishi's teaching. You are trying to present yourself as something I am not buying Jim. But hey you have Nabbie, so be happy for that. J: That is some silly and stupid shit, Curtis, and if I were you, I'd probably choose to keep very quiet from now on, regarding Maharishi's model of consciousness, or any other model of consciousness. C: Yeah, well you aren't me Jim so your attempt to shut me up has failed miserably. I will be posting my perspective as much as it pleases me. J: This is what I mean about your utter lack of credibility. C: Coming from you that is much appreciated. I would worry if it were otherwise.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis writes: The problem was that I don't think he [Maharishi] is right about human consciousness. My only question is: How do you know Maharishi is wrong, if you have not completed the first step in his model of human conciousness, Cosmic Consciousness? J: I have never come across a more close-minded and idiotic perspective on TM. Neither one of you is established in Being, and yet you say, without having experienced it, and without knowing the first thing about Maharishi's model of consciousness, that you deny it. Neither one of you is established in being It's that phrase again. Language is a big problem here. If I was to say I have an experience caused by my brain having learnt over time to experience a separation of my thoughts and the way the conscious substrate of qualia visualises 3 dimensional space, everyone would say so what? But couch the perception in holy nomenclature and everyone goes: Wow! are you really enlightened? You don't have to have experienced what you call cosmic consciousness for very long (or indeed at all) to know that Jim's claim that you need to have done to have an opinion of it is in error. The model of consciousness as an unfolding of/from some sort of unified field via seven stages is a description of a change in awareness but that doesn't mean this poor analogy of Marshy's is in any way an accurate description of how our brains work and integrate with the world. Consciousness isn't the unified field, but it seems like it is when you are in that state - I have been there before you write in and complain - It's a trick of the mind.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
C: Thanks for asking Share. You will get more than a nutshell because this is a rich topic. The first fundamental problem for me is that he was shaping our view of our experiences from his techniques from a religious perspective created in a pre-scientific society. He made many unwarranted assumptions about the value of his techniques or what he was doing to our brains. Although they are highly addictive and pleasurable states of mind, I see no evidence that they improve anyone's thinking or creative processes. I see evidence of the opposite at least at higher levels of exposure. High exposure leads to an erosion of the ability to distinguish internal and external experiences. This causes a lot of problems that show up in claims here. S: Curtis, by internal experience do you mean thoughts, feelings, dreams? And by external do you mean behaviors, observable events? I challenge his fundamental assumption that knowledge is structured in consciousness. This is epistemological bogus and psychologically manipulative. It comes from a non modern view of what knowledge is that had its birth in a caste system controlled culture. If you see what Jim is attempting to assume here by virtue of his self reported grandiose claims of experiences you can see where this belief leads socially. It has been rejected by all modern societies for good reason. S: KISIC is rooted in the caste system?! Because of Maharishi's religiously motivated agenda, he was unable to combine more modern theories of the mind with his POV to expand it. He was unwilling to be humble about the limits of his knowledge and instead presented himself and his teacher as more than human with the appropriate humility concerning the human condition. He used science as marketing like a charlatan with zero respect for its methods. Over time this killed what could have been a much more interesting endeavor. He was a superstitious man and had the intellectual failing of hubris which clouded his judgement and turned a fascinatingly bright man into a caricature of himself. He became fat Elvis. I also challenge his assumption about the silent state of meditation as either being our true Self or having any trans-personal implications about how the world works. The sidhis were supposed to be the proof of his trans-personal claims about the absolute but that test failed by his own created standards and criteria. So we are now left with people feeling different subjective things in the sidhis that cannot be tested and studied as well as grandiose claims about its affects on the world. I respect that Maharishi set up a legitimate test of his theories, but I do not respect that neither he nor his organization acknowledged the falsification of his theory by the lack of siddhi performance. He failed with his own clearly stated and self created test. That is just off the top of my head. But that is ten minutes worth and I hope you enjoy it. S: Thanks, Curtis. What have you come to think about consciousness and the nature of reality? I'm currently thinking a lot about what I've come to call the field. I know others use this terminology. I've adopted it because it feels right to me. Do you think there is a field that underlies and give rise to all of creation? On Friday, May 16, 2014 3:45 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, can you say in a nutshell what about consciousness you think Maharishi got wrong? C: Thanks for asking Share. You will get more than a nutshell because this is a rich topic. The first fundamental problem for me is that he was shaping our view of our experiences from his techniques from a religious perspective created in a pre-scientific society. He made many unwarranted assumptions about the value of his techniques or what he was doing to our brains. Although they are highly addictive and pleasurable states of mind, I see no evidence that they improve anyone's thinking or creative processes. I see evidence of the opposite at least at higher levels of exposure. High exposure leads to an erosion of the ability to distinguish internal and external experiences. This causes a lot of problems that show up in claims here. I challenge his fundamental assumption that knowledge is structured in consciousness. This is epistemological bogus and psychologically manipulative. It comes from a non modern view of what knowledge is that had its birth in a caste system controlled culture. If you see what Jim is attempting to assume here by virtue of his self reported grandiose claims of experiences you can see where this belief leads socially. It has been rejected by all modern societies for good reason. Because of Maharishi's religiously motivated agenda, he was unable to combine more modern theories of the mind with his POV to expand it. He was unwilling to be
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
salyavin, what do you think is the relationship between the mind and the unified field? This is what I'm pondering about the last couple of months. On Friday, May 16, 2014 3:52 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis writes: The problem was that I don't think he [Maharishi] is right about human consciousness. My only question is: How do you know Maharishi is wrong, if you have not completed the first step in his model of human conciousness, Cosmic Consciousness? J: I have never come across a more close-minded and idiotic perspective on TM. Neither one of you is established in Being, and yet you say, without having experienced it, and without knowing the first thing about Maharishi's model of consciousness, that you deny it. Neither one of you is established in being It's that phrase again. Language is a big problem here. If I was to say I have an experience caused by my brain having learnt over time to experience a separation of my thoughts and the way the conscious substrate of qualia visualises 3 dimensional space, everyone would say so what? But couch the perception in holy nomenclature and everyone goes: Wow! are you really enlightened? You don't have to have experienced what you call cosmic consciousness for very long (or indeed at all) to know that Jim's claim that you need to have done to have an opinion of it is in error. The model of consciousness as an unfolding of/from some sort of unified field via seven stages is a description of a change in awareness but that doesn't mean this poor analogy of Marshy's is in any way an accurate description of how our brains work and integrate with the world. Consciousness isn't the unified field, but it seems like it is when you are in that state - I have been there before you write in and complain - It's a trick of the mind.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Cafe Zen
turq, I love these 2 phrases: shakes her head with joy...brought to silence. On Friday, May 16, 2014 8:03 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Sun on face, beer on table Hotel California on the sound system My kinda cafe Friday While others on this forum demonstrate their spiritual advancement by trying to get those who disagree with them, you'll have to forgive me if I prefer to just sit in a sunny cafe and take in the scene. The first thing I notice is that no one in the cafe is arguing, or seems to feel they need to. No one is trying to sell anything, whether it be their belief in something, or their disbelief. No one is trying to demonstrate their superiority. In fact, most of them seem to be far more in the moment and actually *enjoying* the moment than any of the spiritual elite on FFL have been in years. Go figure. Across the cafe young woman with waist-length red hair feels the sun on it and shakes her head with joy and twenty people pause in mid-sentence brought to silence by the beauty of the lightdance
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
I had a fairly clear experience of being some years before I learned TM, while that clarity then did not last, it did leave a strong sense of how to proceed with a 'spiritual' life, as I had no religious nor spiritual inclinations until that experience. But the sense it left was that the 'spiritual' teacher, whatever you want to call him or her, is a conduit for certain kinds of information that is in essence not personal. As a result I never had any sense of devotion to the 'teacher' whoever they might be. My focus was on the flow through the conduit or conduits (assuming one is getting similar information from similar sources). So the devotion to the master routine for me just beaded off like water on a duck. My problem was to distinguish useful information from flack and crap. I cannot say I always succeeded in doing this. I had a number of dead ends. I do recall that if you got too pointed with questions to professors at MIU/MUM, you would get some pushback rather than a reasoned argument, though it varied with the professor. I recall one professor being rather shocked when a student seriously questioned Maharishi's ideas, or would quickly pick another student, I suppose, in the hope of getting a more palatable 'right' answer. A conduit can deliver clear water, or sewage, or some combination thereof. The student needs to be taught how to make those distinctions, and by college level, certainly that ability should have a solid foundation. Devotion to the 'master' can obscure as well as illuminate. Depends on the 'master' how much freedom the student has for interacting. It is especially difficult when the 'master' is not around and one is dealing with stooges. An ideal teacher would train the student to equal or surpass him or her. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : The students who were able to maintain more intellectual integrity and challenged the system further got a big reaction from the admin. But they were teachers who didn't have TTC recommendations hanging over their heads. I was trained to be a company man early. I was also very young so it was not likely that I would have the confidence to challenge my professors. I am glad in some ways I didn't catch on then, my college life would have been hell instead of wonderful. The key piece for me to put it together was from outside sources that I had not found or did not exist then. It was a bit of an intellectual rabbit warren to untangle and it all took time. Plus I had been worked over pretty good with the devotion to the master routine. I had a lot of phobias against thinking too far outside the box. When it came crashing down it was quite a shock.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
Yes, I have. Another is 'penin-kulma', originally probably 'penin-kuulema', 10 kilometres, a distance a dog's (peni) barking can still be heard (kuulla) from??
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : C: Thanks for asking Share. You will get more than a nutshell because this is a rich topic. The first fundamental problem for me is that he was shaping our view of our experiences from his techniques from a religious perspective created in a pre-scientific society. He made many unwarranted assumptions about the value of his techniques or what he was doing to our brains. Although they are highly addictive and pleasurable states of mind, I see no evidence that they improve anyone's thinking or creative processes. I see evidence of the opposite at least at higher levels of exposure. High exposure leads to an erosion of the ability to distinguish internal and external experiences. This causes a lot of problems that show up in claims here. S: Curtis, by internal experience do you mean thoughts, feelings, dreams? And by external do you mean behaviors, observable events? C: I am including all internal experiences. The leaking of dream state experiences into waking state seems to be a problem for some people. I challenge his fundamental assumption that knowledge is structured in consciousness. This is epistemological bogus and psychologically manipulative. It comes from a non modern view of what knowledge is that had its birth in a caste system controlled culture. If you see what Jim is attempting to assume here by virtue of his self reported grandiose claims of experiences you can see where this belief leads socially. It has been rejected by all modern societies for good reason. S: KISIC is rooted in the caste system?! C: The whole teaching is rooted in the caste system, read your Gita! Yes the idea that knowledge is structured in consciousness is fundamental to the rationalization of castes in Maharishi's system. Maharishi was proud of Guru Devs role as supporter of the caste system, they were both anti Gandhi. Because of Maharishi's religiously motivated agenda, he was unable to combine more modern theories of the mind with his POV to expand it. He was unwilling to be humble about the limits of his knowledge and instead presented himself and his teacher as more than human with the appropriate humility concerning the human condition. He used science as marketing like a charlatan with zero respect for its methods. Over time this killed what could have been a much more interesting endeavor. He was a superstitious man and had the intellectual failing of hubris which clouded his judgement and turned a fascinatingly bright man into a caricature of himself. He became fat Elvis. I also challenge his assumption about the silent state of meditation as either being our true Self or having any trans-personal implications about how the world works. The sidhis were supposed to be the proof of his trans-personal claims about the absolute but that test failed by his own created standards and criteria. So we are now left with people feeling different subjective things in the sidhis that cannot be tested and studied as well as grandiose claims about its affects on the world. I respect that Maharishi set up a legitimate test of his theories, but I do not respect that neither he nor his organization acknowledged the falsification of his theory by the lack of siddhi performance. He failed with his own clearly stated and self created test. That is just off the top of my head. But that is ten minutes worth and I hope you enjoy it. S: Thanks, Curtis. What have you come to think about consciousness and the nature of reality? I'm currently thinking a lot about what I've come to call the field. I know others use this terminology. I've adopted it because it feels right to me. Do you think there is a field that underlies and give rise to all of creation? C: I lack the kind of intellectual tools that would make a discussion about what underlies creation meaningful. It is too far from our sensory intuition for us to be any good at this. So I don't really have any theories about what might underlie creation, the creation itself seems vast enough for me to focus on in my life. I find Maharishi's mishmash of physics word poetry vapid these days. It can all be replaced with then magic happened and the meaning remains unchanged. If you can do better more power to you! On Friday, May 16, 2014 3:45 PM, curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, can you say in a nutshell what about consciousness you think Maharishi got wrong? C: Thanks for asking Share. You will get more than a nutshell because this is a rich topic. The first fundamental problem for me is that he was shaping our view of our experiences from his techniques from a religious perspective created in a pre-scientific society. He made many unwarranted assumptions about the value of his techniques or what he was doing to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
On 5/16/2014 4:00 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I challenge his fundamental assumption that knowledge is structured in consciousness. This is epistemological bogus and psychologically manipulative. You've totally lost me on this one. It is a standard Vedanta and Vajrayana theory first put forth by Asanga - that consciousness is the ultimate reality. Apparently they don't teach Hindu Vedanta or Buddhist Vajrayana philosophy at MUM. Go figure. Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is the real truth. The object exists as an object for the knowing subject; but it does not exist outside of consciousness because the distinction of subject and object is within consciousness. (IV 25-27) Sharma, p. 245-246. According to Sam Harris, to say that consciousness may only seem to exist is to admit its existence in full—for if things seem any way at all, that is consciousness. Consciousness is the one thing in this universe that cannot be an illusion. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Neither one of you is established in being It's that phrase again. Language is a big problem here. If I was to say I have an experience caused by my brain having learnt over time to experience a separation of my thoughts and the way the conscious substrate of qualia visualises 3 dimensional space, everyone would say so what? But couch the perception in holy nomenclature and everyone goes: Wow! are you really enlightened? C: Great point. This is a big issue I have with how language is being used to describe internal experience. It is so imprecise. A: You don't have to have experienced what you call cosmic consciousness for very long (or indeed at all) to know that Jim's claim that you need to have done to have an opinion of it is in error. The model of consciousness as an unfolding of/from some sort of unified field via seven stages is a description of a change in awareness but that doesn't mean this poor analogy of Marshy's is in any way an accurate description of how our brains work and integrate with the world. C: I believe the CC state was an aberration more closely associated with dissociation and with the same problems. He made it very clear on the first 6 month course that his model was just that and then proceeded to try to convince everyone they were already in Brahmin Consciousness like those Advaita dudes do! A: Consciousness isn't the unified field, but it seems like it is when you are in that state - I have been there before you write in and complain - It's a trick of the mind. C: There are so many states that feel like so many things. It seems to me that we are a long way off from having any justification to just buy into the traditional view of it all. There were so wrong about so much else we can prove today why would we take their word on ultimate reality? And it isn't that they just didn't now about how conception shapes perception they consciously used it for their religious agenda. Thanks for extending the rap in a sane direction. I hope I didn't butcher your meaning too much in my response. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis writes: The problem was that I don't think he [Maharishi] is right about human consciousness. My only question is: How do you know Maharishi is wrong, if you have not completed the first step in his model of human conciousness, Cosmic Consciousness? J: I have never come across a more close-minded and idiotic perspective on TM. Neither one of you is established in Being, and yet you say, without having experienced it, and without knowing the first thing about Maharishi's model of consciousness, that you deny it. Neither one of you is established in being It's that phrase again. Language is a big problem here. If I was to say I have an experience caused by my brain having learnt over time to experience a separation of my thoughts and the way the conscious substrate of qualia visualises 3 dimensional space, everyone would say so what? But couch the perception in holy nomenclature and everyone goes: Wow! are you really enlightened? You don't have to have experienced what you call cosmic consciousness for very long (or indeed at all) to know that Jim's claim that you need to have done to have an opinion of it is in error. The model of consciousness as an unfolding of/from some sort of unified field via seven stages is a description of a change in awareness but that doesn't mean this poor analogy of Marshy's is in any way an accurate description of how our brains work and integrate with the world. Consciousness isn't the unified field, but it seems like it is when you are in that state - I have been there before you write in and complain - It's a trick of the mind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
Excellent! It is good that such things have survived all the tech. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote : Yes, I have. Another is 'penin-kulma', originally probably 'penin-kuulema', 10 kilometres, a distance a dog's (peni) barking can still be heard (kuulla) from??
