[FairfieldLife] Re: Joy of Google....

[salyavin808]

 Amazingly, this one's even better:
 

 Orion Council March 22 2015 Elohim QnA 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is funny. For some reason this was considered worth my attention in my 
Youtube feed. Can't think what I might have been watching for them to include 
this guff but it's great fun. 
 

 You may think it's a joke - and maybe it is - but the commenters are sure 
carrying it on.
 

 Orion Council Channeled Message April 14 2015 
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 Orion Council Channeled Message April 14 2015 
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[FairfieldLife] Joy of Google....

[salyavin808]

This is funny. For some reason this was considered worth my attention in my 
Youtube feed. Can't think what I might have been watching for them to include 
this guff but it's great fun. 
 

 You may think it's a joke - and maybe it is - but the commenters are sure 
carrying it on.
 

 Orion Council Channeled Message April 14 2015 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9VV6cGWaBw

 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9VV6cGWaBw 
 
 Orion Council Channeled Message April 14 2015 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9VV6cGWaBw Orion Council channeled message on: 
dealing with lower vibrational people; weed addiction; African women in the 
west, dealing with “white” environments; How ...
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If anyone else here would care to extend their feelings of apologies for their 
poor behavior, unkindness, abusive invective, or over the top name-calling here 
towards others in the FFL yahoo-groups community I would be glad to take them 
over to The_Peak to our former collaborators in thinking here. Peace be with us 
all, JaiGuruYou 
 "Collaborators in thinking"? That doesn't sound right. And Jim was a yobbo at 
the best of times, why doesn't he come back and apologise if group hugs are 
suddenly so important to everyone?  Like I give a shit...You'd be better off 
staying there and taking Willytex and Judy with you except they like arguing 
and stirring the shit so maybe you'd better start personally directing your 
pleas towards them.
 What do you want from this place anyway? Your dream of soggy minded true 
believerism sounds like most human being's nightmare, you've been banging this 
stupid drum for years and no one gives a damn, when do you give it up and just 
get on with your life? 
 Barking mad the lot of you...
 
 MJ writing: “Granted many of us here including me sometimes went over the top 
with name calling and if I offended anyone I apologize,”
 
 

 Desperately wanting to get people to apologize to them for imagined affronts 
has been a running fantasy on FFL for years. Buck is just the first to wet 
himself over getting one.  :-)
 

 For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant 
everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.
 

 Likewise. I think, can't remember all of it though...
 

 Except for those times years ago when I suggested that Willytex has sex with 
prairie dogs. That was bad, and I apologize. I should never have insulted 
prairie dogs that way.

 

 Well, we knew that was pretty unlikely. I mean, how would Willytex ever pull 
something as mentally and socially advanced as a prairie dog?
 

 

 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Heh, it's like a contest now to see who can get Judy to post ONE MORE TIME.
 

 She doesn't need any encouragement, she could never help herself. By the end 
of the week you won;t be able to log on with seeing a list of authfriend posts 
that start with "Note that Barry says..." Which I always thought was damn 
considerate of her because it means I didn't have to open them and read them 
once I'd got the hang of what was going on. 
 

 She should hook up with the same therapist that Lawson's been seeing, nowadays 
he can somehow restrain himself from posting 5 times a minute at every hook we 
dangle in front of him. That's evolution for you...shame that Willytex has yet 
to crawl from the proto-slime of insanity that he's in but we ignore all of his 
posts so no consideration of what they might contain is necessary.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :



Ifanyone else here would care to extend their feelings of apologies fortheir 
poor behavior, unkindness, abusive invective, or over the topname-calling here 
towards others in the FFL yahoo-groups community Iwould be glad to take them 
over to The_Peak to our formercollaborators in thinking here. Peace be with us 
all, JaiGuruYou




"Collaborators in thinking"? That doesn't sound right. And Jim was a yobbo at 
the best of times, why doesn't he come back and apologise if group hugs are 
suddenly so important to everyone? 

Like I give a shit...You'd be better off staying there and taking Willytex and 
Judy with you except they like arguing and stirring the shit so maybe you'd 
better start personally directing your pleas towards them.


What do you want from this place anyway? Your dream of soggy minded true 
believerism sounds like most human being's nightmare, you've been banging this 
stupid drum for years and no one gives a damn, when do you give it up and just 
get on with your life? 


Barking mad the lot of you...





MJwriting: “Grantedmany of us here including me sometimes went over the top 
with namecalling and if I offended anyone I apologize,”


Desperately wanting to get people to apologize to them for imagined affronts 
has been a running fantasy on FFL for years. Buck is just the first to wet 
himself over getting one.  :-)
For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant 
everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.
Except for those times years ago when I suggested that Willytex has sex with 
prairie dogs. That was bad, and I apologize. I should never have insulted 
prairie dogs that way.







  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Coffee

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Quitcher bitchin. 

Just go out and buy an espresso maker. Some are just $250 and make double cups 
along with fabulous foam
 

 The trouble with that is you have to stay in and drink it, most of the fun of 
coffee is that you have to go out and find a nice cafe with a window box to sit 
in or chat to the other patrons. My favourite cafe had a wisecracking owner, a 
great bunch of regulars, it was like being in a US sitcom. We all looked 
forward to stopping there on the way to work and seeing what the crack was 
every day. Then he sold it leaving us in early morning limbo. The new owners 
don't open the door until 9am! Talk about missing the important customers and 
it only leaves us with the coffee chain stores with their rapidly shrinking 
products. Muffins will get stuck under your fingernail by Xmas.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If anyone else here would care to extend their feelings of apologies for their 
poor behavior, unkindness, abusive invective, or over the top name-calling here 
towards others in the FFL yahoo-groups community I would be glad to take them 
over to The_Peak to our former collaborators in thinking here. Peace be with us 
all, JaiGuruYou 
 "Collaborators in thinking"? That doesn't sound right. And Jim was a yobbo at 
the best of times, why doesn't he come back and apologise if group hugs are 
suddenly so important to everyone?  Like I give a shit...You'd be better off 
staying there and taking Willytex and Judy with you except they like arguing 
and stirring the shit so maybe you'd better start personally directing your 
pleas towards them.
 What do you want from this place anyway? Your dream of soggy minded true 
believerism sounds like most human being's nightmare, you've been banging this 
stupid drum for years and no one gives a damn, when do you give it up and just 
get on with your life? 
 Barking mad the lot of you...
 
 MJ writing: “Granted many of us here including me sometimes went over the top 
with name calling and if I offended anyone I apologize,”
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Dear MJ, Ann sends her regards to you from The_Peak. 

  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/3812 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/3812  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have said so once or twice before when the Peak crowd was still active on 
FFL but if you wanna, go ahead. 
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
 
 
   
 MJ, this takes a lot of courage to do given the climate on FFL and I admire 
that. Contrition maybe, but what of repentance? And the others here now? Your 
acknowledgment though is a good start towards something better here on FFL.   
Would you like that I convey your apology here over to our former communal 
members at The_Peak? I admire your out-front start on this, MJ. Best Regards, 
MJ writing: “Granted many of us here including me sometimes went over the top 
with name calling and if I offended anyone I apologize,” 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I disagree - if for example you are referring to people including me asking 
Jimmy for proof he was enlightened other than his assertion in the face of the 
cussing rants he would go on when challenged or in the face of someone saying 
Marshy was a fraud. In light of his behavior I think such challenges were 
warranted.
 

 Same with common sense challenges to Nabby's assertions that Benjy Creme was 
some sort of a high spiritual guru. I mean come on.
 

 Granted many of us here including me sometimes went over the top with name 
calling and if I offended anyone I apologize, except for the vile things I said 
about Marshy which while harsh were all true. 

 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
 
 
   
 A push back, a kind counter-offensive evidently was in order for all the 
damage being rendered in the reduced scope of communal discussion on our FFL 
community by a character of intolerant writers cutting good people down at 
their knees by employing a methodical crossfire of unkind personal invective as 
weapon against both the TM-TB's and the experiential-based transcendentalist 
members then present on the list.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This larger thread is a larger search for better diversity of thought here on 
Rick's FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups. Anartaxius, whoever you are, in your 
spock-like unfeeling way for this point you go ahead and condone the unkind 
culture of the snark here because you practice it. Lot like that article Geezer 
posted recently about how people can be led into their [cult] beliefs given 
over to a control by their beliefs if they first are led to act on them.. Seems 
you've been led far down a low path here with some others, possibly so far out 
of the light to see your way back up very clearly. An evident consequence of 
this is that the whole communal discussion here suffers for your plight. As 
they say, change happens within, hopefully you and others can make some way in 
your vile meanness for kindness and we may all be better off here. That might 
take some courage on your part to change. -JaiGuruYou 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It looks like somebody posted a false analogy.

According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses 
an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support 
an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supporte

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 10 reasons why Judy quit FFL and why she returned

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: aryavazhi 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

   
   - She injured both arms, now she got voice recognition software.
   - Her eyesight got really bad, and she had to wait so long for an operation.
   - Writing on FFL upset her so much, so the doctor told her to stop.
   - She converted to Catholizism and stopped TM.
   - She got a job.
   - She had a near-death experience, but has been revived.   

   - Barry bribed her to leave, but he didn't pay the last check.
   - The most important letter on her keyboard, the L, (to write liar) broke, 
now she found she can substitute it with a 1.
   - She had an apparition of Maharishi / Guru Dev /Jesus / Robin /.., who told 
her to stop FFL
   - Your call...

11. It was a medical issue. The constant presence of Jim's, Nabby's, Steve's, 
and Ann's tongues up Judy's ass was aggravating her Crohn's Disease and giving 
her constant diarrhea. The only way she could get rid of it was to get rid of 
them.  :-)

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Stick with this characterization, Barry. 

 You'll sleep better at night.
 

 There may not be a grain of truth to it, but, as I said, if it helps you sleep 
better at night, then god speed.  (-:
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

As a parting shot, the biggest problem I see with these guys considering their 
time on Fairfield Life as a "war," with them fighting valiantly against the 
forces of evil (me), is how silly they look when they all end up running away 
from what they've characterized as a battlefield. If they had just lightened up 
and not taken it seriously and had fun with it all the way we do, they could 
have just dropped out any time and still preserved a little dignity. But 
no. They had to try to make Barry the ultimate Bad Guy and themselves the 
noble defenders of truth, justice, and the Fairfield way. So now that they've 
all thrown their hissy fits and run away with their tails between their legs, 
that leaves me the "winner" of their imaginary "war." All I have to say to that 
is "Karma's a bitch."  :-)  :-)  :-)

 
salyavin wrote: 

 I wonder who these thugs are?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 No, you don't.
 

 She must have very poor reading comprehension if she thinks that the peaksters 
weren't just using Barry's colourful prose as an excuse to leave.
 

 That makes no sense, salyavin. Nobody needed an "excuse" to leave. They had 
always enjoyed FFL, but it was becoming less and less enjoyable by the day as 
Barry and his gang went further and further out of control. If there was indeed 
an "excuse" to leave, it was that Jim had the initiative to start his own forum 
where they could express themselves without having to constantly duck 
insulting, gratuitous missiles.
 

 And it wasn't just Barry's offensively phrased Maharishi hypothetical that was 
the straw the camel stepped on and broke. It was also the truly vicious, 
entirely gratuitous insult to TMers--that if they witnessed Maharishi sexually 
abusing a baby, they'd "walk away still believing he was a 'life celibate.'"
 

 (That wasn't just a "metaphor" as some have claimed, BTW. Barry later asserted 
that it was factual.)
 

 And I was right, she's much happier here arguing than she would be over there 
having a group hug every morning.
 

 You're not right, sorry. You're clueless. Not to mention your lack of reading 
comprehension.









 

 

 












 


 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Barry wrote:
 

 Whatever else may have been going on in her life (for example with her 
physical health), there has clearly been no change in her mental health. She's 
as insane as ever, and as compulsive as ever. And she still has that tendency 
to make things up in an attempt to "get" the people she hates.
 

 Barry will, however, not be able to cite anything I've "made up." 
 

 So all in all I'd have to rate her "leaving FFL" thang even more of a colossal 
failure than the time she declared that she was "leaving a.m.t. forever" and 
couldn't stay away more than a week.
 

 I came back to alt.m.t only to rebut the various lies that I knew Barry and 
the other anti-TMers were going to tell about me once I was no longer around to 
do so. I didn't participate in any other discussions on alt.m.t for quite some 
time (as Barry knows).
 

  After all, if you're going to try to pull off the Ambrose Bierce thang and 
just disappear mysteriously, you have to actually STAY disappeared.  :-)  

 

 Aryavashi made a few accurate statements about her
 

 Of all the purportedly factual statements he made about me, the only one that 
was accurate was that I'd never been around Maharishi. All the rest were 
deliberate and malicious misrepresentations (as Barry knows). And he's not only 
unrepentant, he's actually *proud* of that compendium of lies. I guess that's 
what Barry means when he says below that he and his gang were having fun with 
their persecution (yes, persecution) of the TM supporters.
 

 (snip)
 

 As a parting shot, the biggest problem I see with these guys considering their 
time on Fairfield Life as a "war," with them fighting valiantly against the 
forces of evil (me), is how silly they look when they all end up running away 
from what they've characterized as a battlefield. If they had just lightened up 
and not taken it seriously and had fun with it all the way we do, they could 
have just dropped out any time and still preserved a little dignity. But 
no. They had to try to make Barry the ultimate Bad Guy and themselves the 
noble defenders of truth, justice, and the Fairfield way. So now that they've 
all thrown their hissy fits and run away with their tails between their legs, 
that leaves me the "winner" of their imaginary "war."
 

 They didn't "run away," and certainly not with their "tails between their 
legs." They moved on to a forum where they could express themselves freely and 
even disagree with each other without all the ugly, gratuitous attacks from 
Barry and his thugs.
 

 All I have to say to that is "Karma's a bitch."  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 They're now enjoying themselves for a change. As far as they're concerned, 
*they're* the winners. And that's reinforced every time they take a peek at FFL 
and see Barry and others trying desperately to make a sow's ear out of the silk 
purse of The Peak. Barry has never had to face any consequences for his 
reprehensible behavior before. Now FFL is a smoldering ruin because of him, The 
Peak is prospering, and he is choked with envy and rage, knowing he could never 
do what Jim did, start his own forum and have people flock to it.
 

 Yes, Barry, Karma's a bitch.
 

 

 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Collaborating in 'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at 
models, of 'thinking' in constructive conflict.Thoughtful conversation seems a 
willing kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process in disconfirmation'. By 
contrast a trust in kindness as element has been driven out of Fairfieldlife at 
Yahoo-groups by a dominant methodical use of personal invective in the ad 
hominem used as weapon to personally hurt people here.Collaboration in a type 
of, Love? In kindness to a creative process?Quite evidently thoughtful 
conversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to have 
productive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work here with the 
communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly 
disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture 
that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing 
is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary 
enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have 
is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here 
and driven people away.The cultural place that was FFL seems to have been 
poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack of a willing collaboration as 
an oxygen that could include other points of view other than some caustic 
character of dominant internet haters and personalities in method. The cost to 
FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal 
thinking.A pervasive unkindness in ad hominem-istic snark parading as 
'intellectual retort', it's the dominant 'culture' here at FFL now, as the 
evident lack in thoughtful community culture here. Folks otherwise have come 
instead to fear to spend their time thinking here reading let alone posting 
here.  It is a sad commentary on how it has gone down for FFL. Many of the 
writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like 
they see Bevan or others in the movement community.Salon, saloon or shalom; who 
would enter in to a place met with the likes of, “You Suck..” or “Fuck you” as 
first text lines or “You lying Fuck” as a subject heading? MJ, there was a long 
period of a poisonous malignancy here in the postings between a few people who 
came on before you came along and added to it in your way. FFL is just not a 
safe place for well-meaning people to loiter or join in hence most folks 
wandered out. Meditators and people around Fairfield here always go 'whew-phew' 
and roll their eyes about the reputation of FFL as a place for thoughtful 
dialogue whence FFL gets mentioned. FFL got wrecked a while ago as a community 
place that way. mjackson74 wrote, well Buck how do you account for the 
departure of all the people who used to post on FFL in the years before I 
joined? Looking back at the archives, there were a whole bunch of folk who had 
already dropped out before I came along, so the fact that Judy, Anne, Jimmy the 
Enlightened and Nappy Nabby jumped ship does not seem to be that much of a 
recent trend.Yep, even Rick chooses to post substantial material elsewhere now 
instead of posting to FFL as to just shark-feeding for what is left remaining 
of FFL. A long list of people is now gone before us who had once helped further 
the culture of the list, mostly been driven off by an aggressive and appalling 
unkindness of culture in the ongoing personal shark-like attack by the ad 
hominem that evidently has become endemic here; that seeming 'professionals' 
default to use in their writing method instead of simply dealing with material 
posed. And those same complain about originality, thinking and lack of 
creativity..Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the 
fact that he and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say 
on the people they don't like.  :-)Good timing, Turqb,Left or driven off?  This 
as your thinking is fine as intelligent retort on one level Anartaxius except, 
the low post and dwindled active member counts may show something else.Looking 
in on the culture of what is FFL now, is it a surprise the numbers have dropped 
off when there is so much about Fairfield or larger spiritual matter being 
talked about otherwise by others actively involved in it? No, it is like the 
well was poisoned here by some.Ironically there is an evident invective that is 
intolerance to conversation here and to divergent idea by a concentration of 
some few who remain active posting here.If could be we are just getting on with 
our lives. Now that most of the TB crazies have left, some of the tart, sharp 
conversation has dwindled, and there are less opportunities for intelligent 
retorts. I think you would have welcomed the change. 'Intelligent retort'?We've 
not been very good at discussion here for some time on FFL and the place as a 
forum is nearly dead.Yep, visiting looking back in on Fairfieldlife at 
yahoo-groups 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

Well, I guess we know what Barry does on Saturday nights. LoL!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Whatever else may have been going on in her life (for example with her physical 
health), there has clearly been no change in her mental health. She's as insane 
as ever, and as compulsive as ever. And she still has that tendency to make 
things up in an attempt to "get" the people she hates. 
 

 So all in all I'd have to rate her "leaving FFL" thang even more of a colossal 
failure than the time she declared that she was "leaving a.m.t. forever" and 
couldn't stay away more than a week. After all, if you're going to try to pull 
off the Ambrose Bierce thang and just disappear mysteriously, you have to 
actually STAY disappeared.  :-)  

 

 Aryavashi made a few accurate statements about her that called her carefully 
created myth into question, and Judy couldn't resist -- she turned into The 
Corrector again and had to coming roaring back to life as the reincarnated 
Uberbitch of FFL to edit his obituaries of her and "set things right." What a 
drama queen. What a fuckin' soap opera character. And how ultimately sad.

 

 As you say, she's back now. Time to block her posts and start ignoring her 
silly ass again.
 

 As a parting shot, the biggest problem I see with these guys considering their 
time on Fairfield Life as a "war," with them fighting valiantly against the 
forces of evil (me), is how silly they look when they all end up running away 
from what they've characterized as a battlefield. If they had just lightened up 
and not taken it seriously and had fun with it all the way we do, they could 
have just dropped out any time and still preserved a little dignity. But 
no. They had to try to make Barry the ultimate Bad Guy and themselves the 
noble defenders of truth, justice, and the Fairfield way. So now that they've 
all thrown their hissy fits and run away with their tails between their legs, 
that leaves me the "winner" of their imaginary "war." All I have to say to that 
is "Karma's a bitch."  :-)  :-)  :-)
 
salyavin wrote: 

 I wonder who these thugs are?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 No, you don't.
 

 She must have very poor reading comprehension if she thinks that the peaksters 
weren't just using Barry's colourful prose as an excuse to leave.
 

 That makes no sense, salyavin. Nobody needed an "excuse" to leave. They had 
always enjoyed FFL, but it was becoming less and less enjoyable by the day as 
Barry and his gang went further and further out of control. If there was indeed 
an "excuse" to leave, it was that Jim had the initiative to start his own forum 
where they could express themselves without having to constantly duck 
insulting, gratuitous missiles.
 

 And it wasn't just Barry's offensively phrased Maharishi hypothetical that was 
the straw the camel stepped on and broke. It was also the truly vicious, 
entirely gratuitous insult to TMers--that if they witnessed Maharishi sexually 
abusing a baby, they'd "walk away still believing he was a 'life celibate.'"
 

 (That wasn't just a "metaphor" as some have claimed, BTW. Barry later asserted 
that it was factual.)
 

 And I was right, she's much happier here arguing than she would be over there 
having a group hug every morning.
 

 You're not right, sorry. You're clueless. Not to mention your lack of reading 
comprehension.









 

 

 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why Judy Quit FFL

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I don't even CARE.  :-)  :-)  :-)
The thing is, this flurry of insane 
gotta-protect-my-carefully-manufactured-image-of-myself posts has proven 
without a shadow of a doubt that she never DID "quit FFL." 

She's clearly been reading every post here the whole time she's supposedly been 
"gone." How pathetic. 

  From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 12:19 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why Judy Quit FFL
   
    I don't know.


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


salyavin wrote:
I wonder who these thugs are?
No, you don't.
She must have very poor reading comprehension if she thinks that the peaksters 
weren't just using Barry's colourful prose as an excuse to leave.
That makes no sense, salyavin. Nobody needed an "excuse" to leave. They had 
always enjoyed FFL, but it was becoming less and less enjoyable by the day as 
Barry and his gang went further and further out of control. If there was indeed 
an "excuse" to leave, it was that Jim had the initiative to start his own forum 
where they could express themselves without having to constantly duck 
insulting, gratuitous missiles.
And it wasn't just Barry's offensively phrased Maharishi hypothetical that was 
the straw the camel stepped on and broke. It was also the truly vicious, 
entirely gratuitous insult to TMers--that if they witnessed Maharishi sexually 
abusing a baby, they'd "walk away still believing he was a 'life celibate.'"
(That wasn't just a "metaphor" as some have claimed, BTW. Barry later asserted 
that it was factual.)
And I was right, she's much happier here arguing than she would be over there 
having a group hug every morning.
You're not right, sorry. You're clueless. Not to mention your lack of reading 
comprehension.

LOL, you'll be crawling back up the post count in no time!

Whatever else may have been going on in her life (for example with her physical 
health), there has clearly been no change in her mental health. She's as insane 
as ever, and as compulsive as ever. And she still has that tendency to make 
things up in an attempt to "get" the people she hates. 
So all in all I'd have to rate her "leaving FFL" thang even more of a colossal 
failure than the time she declared that she was "leaving a.m.t. forever" and 
couldn't stay away more than a week. After all, if you're going to try to pull 
off the Ambrose Bierce thang and just disappear mysteriously, you have to 
actually STAY disappeared.  :-)  

Aryavashi made a few accurate statements about her that called her carefully 
created myth into question, and Judy couldn't resist -- she turned into The 
Corrector again and had to coming roaring back to life as the reincarnated 
Uberbitch of FFL to edit his obituaries of her and "set things right." What a 
drama queen. What a fuckin' soap opera character. And how ultimately sad.

As you say, she's back now. Time to block her posts and start ignoring her 
silly ass again.
As a parting shot, the biggest problem I see with these guys considering their 
time on Fairfield Life as a "war," with them fighting valiantly against the 
forces of evil (me), is how silly they look when they all end up running away 
from what they've characterized as a battlefield. If they had just lightened up 
and not taken it seriously and had fun with it all the way we do, they could 
have just dropped out any time and still preserved a little dignity. But 
no. They had to try to make Barry the ultimate Bad Guy and themselves the 
noble defenders of truth, justice, and the Fairfield way. So now that they've 
all thrown their hissy fits and run away with their tails between their legs, 
that leaves me the "winner" of their imaginary "war." All I have to say to that 
is "Karma's a bitch."  :-)  :-)  :-)


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is what Muslims do and then claim "Isamophobia".

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
Yeah, what holocaust?
 

 That Holocaust. You accept that the Nazis carried out the Final Solution 
because you've seen survivors talk about their experiences in the camps. They 
strike you as plausible and compelling witnesses. You don't accept it because a 
magistrate has told you you would be prosecuted if you denied the event 
occurred. Let's keep it that way.
 

 
 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:19 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is what Muslims do and then claim 
"Isamophobia".
 
 
   Re "President Obama, despite his prior promises to recognize the Armenian 
Genocide, . . . ":

 

 Do we give a shit about what the ruling elite do or do not regard as "a 
genocide"? Can't you make up your own mind about whether the Armenian death 
toll was a genocide? Or the decimation of the American Indians? Or the deaths 
of the Maori and aborigines down under?
 

 The last thing we need is an official stamp of approval on particular 
attitudes to historical events. There are always exceptions of course. I guess 
it's important that there is an official view that Elizabeth II is the 
legitimate monarch. But outside these constitutional rulings let's be left 
alone to decide our own take on what happened.
 

 

 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why the World Ignores the Islamist Armenian Genocide
 by Ben Shapiro http://www.breitbart.com/author/ben-shapiro/24 Apr 2015
 

 Friday marked the 100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide, and President 
Obama, despite his prior promises to recognize the Armenian Genocide, failed to 
do so for the seventh straight year.
 

 The same week 
http://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/496476--erdogan-obama-to-open-turkish-mosque-in-us-turkish-fm,
 the Turkish government announced that Obama would join the Turkish government, 
led by Islamist President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in opening the Turkish-American 
Culture and Civilization Center in Maryland. Mevlut Cavusoglu, visiting 
Washington in advance of the commemoration of the Genocide, said, “During a 
phone call, President Erdogan asked President Obama to accompany him in opening 
the center together and President Obama accepted his offer in principle.” 
Cavusoglu then talked about the dangers of Islamophobia.
 This is a remarkable slap in the face to Armenians, marking the centennial of 
the Genocide by radical Muslims against Christians. That is the untold story of 
the Genocide, a story conveniently ignored by the media and forgotten by world 
governments similarly ignoring atrocities by Muslims against Christians the 
world over.
 

 To understand the Armenian Genocide, one must first understand the history of 
Turkey, which for centuries was a Christian country; its capital, now named 
Istanbul by Muslims, was originally named Constantinople after Emperor 
Constantine and was the most powerful Christian city in on the planet for 
several centuries. In 1453, the city was conquered by Muslims and became 
Istanbul and the capital of the Ottoman Empire. Armenia remained Christian, 
however. As the Ottoman Empire crumbled, despite the fact that other 
territories gained their independence, Armenia did not.
 

 In 1876, Sultan Abdul Hamid II took over dictatorship of the Empire. By 1878, 
he had signed away Romania, Serbia, and Montenegro; the Balkans were 
essentially freed of the Ottomans; he lost Egypt and Sudan to the British. By 
the 1890s, Armenians began demanding reforms. In response, the Sultan gave free 
reign to Kurdish groups to begin targeting Armenians, and when Armenians 
responded, the Sultan unleashed the Muslim military against the Armenians. Some 
300,000 Armenians were killed.
 

 In 1908, under pressure from reformers known as the Young Turks, the Sultan 
gave up power. But the movement for liberalism lasted only a few years before 
three Islamist leaders of the Young Turks seized power for themselves, then 
joined World War I on the side of the Germans. The Three Pashas, as they became 
known, decided to reconstitute the Empire, freeing it of Christian influence. 
In precursors to the Genocide, as the Young Turks took power, Islamists began 
massacring Christian Armenians. At the time, The New York Times 
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/timestopics/topics_armeniangenocide.html reported 
that the Turks had endorsed a “policy of extermination directed against the 
Christians of Asia Minor.”
 

 Once World War I broke out, the government began openly targeting Armenian 
Christians under the pretense that they would side with the Russian Christians 
to the north. As the Times states:
 

 The Young Turks, who called themselves the Committee of Unity and Progress, 
launched a set of measures against the Armenians, including a law authorizing 
the military and government to deport anyone they “sensed” was a security 
threat. A later law allowed the confiscation of abandone

Re: [FairfieldLife] Things they Believe..

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Oh well...never mind. "Wolf Hall" is well done, and from what I hear better 
than the novels it is based on, but my strongest impression from the first 
three episodes is the HUMORLESSNESS of it all. It's the most dour, 
Protestant-Catholic awfulness I've been exposed to in quite some time, and 
reminds me how incredibly SERIOUSLY some people take themselves when they've 
convinced themselves they know the truth about things. 


  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 9:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Things they Believe..
   
    Yes, the more I watch Wolf Hall themore acutely interesting the comparisons 
are. Is raining here too, Ijust finished the historical side link on the PBS 
page there about'Inside the Court of Henry VIII'. 
For the last year I have been attendingmeditating community working committee 
[Fairfield Mental HealthAlliance] meetings of the realm here and I see all the 
characters andfear and vested interests of points of view. I am on several 
butthis one sub-committee I am on had representatives of an uppertrustee sent 
over to work with the committee. This small workinggroup is become like a 
privy-council to the trustee. It is dangerouswork. These two are trusted at 
that level and have access up anddown. Really effective guys, Not Rajas but 
come in to this committeework a lot like Cromwell and that Stephen character 
who Henry puttogether as his aides for a while to work for him in governance 
workwith the elements of the kingdom. 
I am always amazed that this one smallsub-committee has gone as far as we have 
without these two guys beingarrested yet by the Prime Minister of the Global 
Country. ..prolydoes not really understand what is being done between Lords 
that viebetween regressive faith-based and merit-based progressive pressures. 
Survival is and becomes really dangerous at that level as so manypeople who 
serve at most any level are there at the pleasureultimately of the Prime 
Minister. 
Turns out I have been on the similarcommittees and have files from serving on 
them that happened here inthe 1980's and the 1990's. It did not end well for 
the people onthose committees then. This is the third time around for me 
standingon this work. 
 Like with Norfolk and the old Lords in the end ofCromwell there is a 
solidifying going on locally here now with who isthere at top, a bolstering and 
bringing back old guard people whowere close around Maharishi and elevating 
them to be ministers with and likeBevan that have portfolio different than even 
Rajas. There's reallyonly about 30 Rajas that count now. Wolf Hall as like with 
ourmovement culture of fear-mantras here in culture if you are in itthen it is 
dangerous to have any outlaying feelings or opinion or atthe least voice it 
unless you have protection; there is so much in Wolf Hall that is spot on. In 
watching you got to fear for anyone who is dependent for place. 
I am saving Wolf Hall #4 for tomorrow.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Buck, it's been raining today so my planned picnic turned into a bust, so I've 
watched a bit of "Wolf Hall," enough to know that it probably reveals far more 
about your beliefs and mindset than you realize.  -Well, that is presuming an 
assumption 

Could you do me a favor, in all seriousness? Write up and post a short synopsis 
of the plot, as you see it. Who are the Good Guys, and why, and who are the Bad 
Guys, and why? Thanks in advance...  -I am learning the story line now
  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 I have this series, Doug, but haven't gotten around to watching it. I'll 
comment here when I do. Thanks for the reminder...


  From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 

Anybody watching the MasterpieceThreatre, Wolf Hall? There it is again in full 
spectrum, the eternalstruggle of transcendentalism v consequences of 
spiritualignorance... “On what and on whose side are you on? Self-knowledge v 
the TB'er mind of faith-based religion?



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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :



  From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 9:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
 


Most of the people here probably went through a true-believer stage, at least 
to some extent, and this probably incl

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Transcendent Activation

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The range of experience is depending on many aspects of life and preparation. 
Likewise could have people meditating 40 years still needing maturation of 
spiritual embodiment in the subtle bodies. For some it would be sufficient prep 
for activation to learn how to be a good person, as in “the ties that bind” in 
life, .. a path of one of the 8 limbs that can bring refinement of the subtle 
system for embodiment, for bringing transcendence down in to the bodies of the 
system. This being a good person becomes a group project like some yoga of 
social sciences and ethics as helpful preparatory to transcendence activation 
and refinement of the subtle system beyond just transcendence and the upper 
fields.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thank Being in evolution for 'tradition' that pulls you along hooked in. When 
people fall away the mercy of nature is that opportunity tries to rediscover. 
It's a mercy. Look back and forward, meditators will be amazing beings that 
will be glorious for the recurring activations that occurs in life. Yes there 
is a difference between bright and dim in a nervous system. It is so hopeful, 
merciful.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Activated alignment of spiritual energy in the subtle system in learning to 
meditate in a tradition can come with mastership -a master line. You betcha. 
The puja with its invocations shifts alignment to a tradition, invoking the 
tradition saying “come here, this is the person”, in grace. In the case of the 
TM puja it is not invoking MMY but back to a tradition. The experience then is 
activated in the subtle body and the soul.  It is an amazing thing to be in the 
middle of.  It is way different by experience than learning from reading a book 
or something.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well yes, activated, that was my clear experience as I was taught to meditate. 
That was not an implant per se. Yes I read the classics and the 
transcendentalists before I learned to properly meditate and experience 
transcendence. Went to Methodist Church Sunday some as a kid growing up to see 
it. Quaker Meeting with my people.   Let us posit 'yes' that some thing gets 
activated whence one transcends for sake of discussion for the moment. It 
clearly did for me when I sat with a geeky guy who did the puja and taught me 
to meditate. It was pretty clear from then. And, broaden for sake of discussion 
to simply learning an effective transcendent meditation then activating some 
things spiritual in people that are fine and okay. Did you listen to that 
interview by Rick of Karunamayi on Batgap.com? ..Okay, not every meditation is 
suited to everyone, it depends on the person but several paths lead in the same 
direction of refinement. But yes, an effective 'transcending' meditation and 
its experience changes things in the subtle bodies of the system. 'Implant' is 
the wrong word or connotation for that activation in the subtle system as 
spirituality in human experience. 'Implant' or 'hook' as signatures are too 
loaded of words. It is not science fiction or medical implant or hook. But yes 
joining a group may place an energetic implant as socio-psychologic hook as 
emotional or mental forms in the system; and some TM'ers, depending on the 
person, may have something of that which could be definable. Obviously depends 
on the person. But that is cultural and different from the activation that 
comes with an effective transcendent experience in the system and the two 
deserve to be sorted out from each other in discussion. It is a fair 
discussion. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Really good observation. 
  Yep, is largely just natural law. A will as large Nature to reveal herself in 
human life. It is a flow in nature to experience itself. In human life that is 
what transcendentalism is and transcendentalists are  about spiritually. 
Everyone will come to see it at least in the end. JaiGuruYou! Activated in the 
energy field of life it is nothing you'll get rid of. Even the 'anti-TM'ers' 
and 'anti-cultists', as you say below.  

 

  "Then, then, then I rose. Then first humanity triumphant passed the crystal 
ports of light, And seized eternal youth. Man, all immortal, hail, hail! 
Heaven, all lavish of strange gifts to man, Thine's all the glory, man's the 
boundless bliss."

 
 

  aryavazhi writes:
 

 I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met some kind of a clearvoyant, 
telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had 
left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of 
things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a 
believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, 
from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. 

 
But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping 
formal TM would make me into a non-TMer. I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Coffee

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Of course there are Peet's shops around but not in this town.  Closest 
is about 6 miles south.  Some of the local roasters are students of 
Peet.  Unfortunately some of the shops featuring those roasts are not 
always good at running a shop or because their rent is too high their 
prices are much higher.  Greed of many old local families is destroying 
businesses in many small towns and cities.


On 04/25/2015 04:16 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
I was meeting someone at Starbucks, at a location convenient to us 
both, and there are many Starbucks around where I live, and few 
alternatives within a reasonable driving distance. I usually make my 
own coffee. Also American coffee tastes are different than those of 
Europeans, though I used to get coffee from Mr. Peet when I lived on 
the West Coast of the U.S. Peet freely helped Starbucks set up in 
Seattle by giving them the benefit of his knowledge; Starbucks 
basically commercialised his model on a much larger scale, and of 
course something was lost. Peet's Coffee now is in other hands and the 
rich variety he provided has given way to a more commercial offering. 
I have not been in a Peet's coffee store in 40 years, so I don't know 
if they continued in the manner he set up his original shops, but 
Peet's coffee in grocery stores here does not have much variety 
offered. That the United States has in some areas better coffee than 
in the past is largely due to him. Peet learned his trade in his 
family's coffee business before WWII in Alkmaar, Netherlands, which is 
about 55km from Leiden. I have some Peet's coffee at home, but I will 
tolerate instant coffee when I am lazy, but I usually cannot stand 
instant coffee black. Most of the restaurants around here have 
terrible coffee.



*From:* salyavin808 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, April 25, 2015 8:43 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Coffee




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Probably works for people who want to grab some coffee in a hurry. 
Starbucks was not intended to be a replacement for European cappuccino 
bars.  But you may recall in the 1970s boomers didn't like coffee 
because it gave them the jitters and the coffee industry even ran TV 
promos trying to get folks hooked again.  I didn't drink coffee back 
then until I started working downtown Seattle about 1980 and would 
grab something to eat and drink on my way to my temp job.  One can 
find espresso made like they do in Europe in classic Italian 
restaurants around here.  I'm not talking Olive Garden either. ;-)


I had a Starbucks once, and that was only because I got a free voucher 
in some newspaper. I asked for a cappucino and took it back because I 
thought they'd forgot to put the coffee in. They made me another with 
an extra shot and it still tasted like someone had dipped a single 
grain of nescafe in some warm milk.


How they make a global brand out of it I don't know, it must be 
consistency. The local independent cafes round here make either a 
consistently bland brew or a fantastic cup one day or something that 
tastes like lukewarm creosote the next. Or occasionally they are 
always good but ruinously expensive. Costa are the only place that I 
can rely on outside London but I stopped going there when they shrank 
the size of the cakes recently. Did they think we wouldn't notice?




On 04/24/2015 10:55 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:


*/The only Starbucks in my town is at the central train station.
Almost no one goes there because in the Netherlands almost every
cafe can make a better cup of coffee and literally every cafe has
better ambiance. Just goes to show ya that "globalization" only
works if the globe wants what you're sellin'.../*

*From:* "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]"

 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:54 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Free Coffee

I happened to be at a Starbucks today, and the registers had just
stopped working even though they were still turned on. I got a
free coffee. The barista was on the phone with their technical
help and said the network system had somehow gone down. Saved me a
small bit of cash. They put a sign on the store that they could
serve no more.

The news later this evening: Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts
Sales in US, Canada







Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales in US, Canada

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

If anyone else here would care to extend their feelings of apologies for their 
poor behavior, unkindness, abusive invective, or over the top name-calling here 
towards others in the FFL yahoo-groups community I would be glad to take them 
over to The_Peak to our former collaborators in thinking here. Peace be with us 
all, JaiGuruYou 
 MJ writing: “Granted many of us here including me sometimes went over the top 
with name calling and if I offended anyone I apologize,”
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Dear MJ, Ann sends her regards to you from The_Peak. 

  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/3812 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/3812  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have said so once or twice before when the Peak crowd was still active on 
FFL but if you wanna, go ahead. 
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
 
 
   
 MJ, this takes a lot of courage to do given the climate on FFL and I admire 
that. Contrition maybe, but what of repentance? And the others here now? Your 
acknowledgment though is a good start towards something better here on FFL.   
Would you like that I convey your apology here over to our former communal 
members at The_Peak? I admire your out-front start on this, MJ. Best Regards, 
MJ writing: “Granted many of us here including me sometimes went over the top 
with name calling and if I offended anyone I apologize,” 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I disagree - if for example you are referring to people including me asking 
Jimmy for proof he was enlightened other than his assertion in the face of the 
cussing rants he would go on when challenged or in the face of someone saying 
Marshy was a fraud. In light of his behavior I think such challenges were 
warranted.
 

 Same with common sense challenges to Nabby's assertions that Benjy Creme was 
some sort of a high spiritual guru. I mean come on.
 

 Granted many of us here including me sometimes went over the top with name 
calling and if I offended anyone I apologize, except for the vile things I said 
about Marshy which while harsh were all true. 

 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
 
 
   
 A push back, a kind counter-offensive evidently was in order for all the 
damage being rendered in the reduced scope of communal discussion on our FFL 
community by a character of intolerant writers cutting good people down at 
their knees by employing a methodical crossfire of unkind personal invective as 
weapon against both the TM-TB's and the experiential-based transcendentalist 
members then present on the list.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This larger thread is a larger search for better diversity of thought here on 
Rick's FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups. Anartaxius, whoever you are, in your 
spock-like unfeeling way for this point you go ahead and condone the unkind 
culture of the snark here because you practice it. Lot like that article Geezer 
posted recently about how people can be led into their [cult] beliefs given 
over to a control by their beliefs if they first are led to act on them.. Seems 
you've been led far down a low path here with some others, possibly so far out 
of the light to see your way back up very clearly. An evident consequence of 
this is that the whole communal discussion here suffers for your plight. As 
they say, change happens within, hopefully you and others can make some way in 
your vile meanness for kindness and we may all be better off here. That might 
take some courage on your part to change. -JaiGuruYou 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It looks like somebody posted a false analogy.

According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses 
an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support 
an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due 
to the differences between the two objects.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone 
agrees with you. 


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have no problem with considering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading 
it here, as Rick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous hurtful 
way you and others presenting here have on the discussions here.

Buck, you need to realize that we are dealing with people who think they can 
win a religious debate by spreading a rumor that you are a drunkard. Although 
you may have given up that kind of childish bullying in grade school, some have 
not risen to that level of disc

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 10 reasons why Judy quit FFL and why she returned

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The subject she seemed most interested in near the time she quit FFL was 
classical theism. But I have no idea if she was really interested in the 
subject, she seemed interested in it, but of course she had no confidence in my 
powers of perception to divine what her real motives were for anything.
  From: aryavazhi 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 11:05 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 10 reasons why Judy quit FFL and why she returned
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

   
   - She injured both arms, now she got voice recognition software.
   - Her eyesight got really bad, and she had to wait so long for an operation.
   - Writing on FFL upset her so much, so the doctor told her to stop.
   - She converted to Catholizism and stopped TM.
   - She got a job.
   - She had a near-death experience, but has been revived.   

   - Barry bribed her to leave, but he didn't pay the last check.
   - The most important letter on her keyboard, the L, (to write liar) broke, 
now she found she can substitute it with a 1.
   - She had an apparition of Maharishi / Guru Dev /Jesus / Robin /.., who told 
her to stop FFL
   - Your call...   


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Coffee

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I was meeting someone at Starbucks, at a location convenient to us both, and 
there are many Starbucks around where I live, and few alternatives within a 
reasonable driving distance. I usually make my own coffee. Also American coffee 
tastes are different than those of Europeans, though I used to get coffee from 
Mr. Peet when I lived on the West Coast of the U.S. Peet freely helped 
Starbucks set up in Seattle by giving them the benefit of his knowledge; 
Starbucks basically commercialised his model on a much larger scale, and of 
course something was lost. Peet's Coffee now is in other hands and the rich 
variety he provided has given way to a more commercial offering. I have not 
been in a Peet's coffee store in 40 years, so I don't know if they continued in 
the manner he set up his original shops, but Peet's coffee in grocery stores 
here does not have much variety offered. That the United States has in some 
areas better coffee than in the past is largely due to him. Peet learned his 
trade in his family's coffee business before WWII in Alkmaar, Netherlands, 
which is about 55km from Leiden. I have some Peet's coffee at home, but I will 
tolerate instant coffee when I am lazy, but I usually cannot stand instant 
coffee black. Most of the restaurants around here have terrible coffee.
  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 8:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Coffee
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Probably works for people who want tograb some coffee in a hurry.  Starbucks 
was not intended to be areplacement for European cappuccino bars.  But you may 
recall inthe 1970s boomers didn't like coffee because it gave them thejitters 
and the coffee industry even ran TV promos trying to getfolks hooked again.  I 
didn't drink coffee back then until Istarted working downtown Seattle about 
1980 and would grabsomething to eat and drink on my way to my temp job.  One 
can findespresso made like they do in Europe in classic Italianrestaurants 
around here.  I'm not talking Olive Garden either.  ;-)
I had a Starbucks once, and that was only because I got a free voucher in some 
newspaper. I asked for a cappucino and took it back because I thought they'd 
forgot to put the coffee in. They made me another with an extra shot and it 
still tasted like someone had dipped a single grain of nescafe in some warm 
milk.
How they make a global brand out of it I don't know, it must be consistency. 
The local independent cafes round here make either a consistently bland brew or 
a fantastic cup one day or something that tastes like lukewarm creosote the 
next. Or occasionally they are always good but ruinously expensive. Costa are 
the only place that I can rely on outside London but I stopped going there when 
they shrank the size of the cakes recently. Did they think we wouldn't notice?


On 04/24/2015 10:55 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:

  The only Starbucks in my town isat the central train station. Almost no one 
goesthere because in the Netherlands almost everycafe can make a better cup of 
coffee andliterally every cafe has better ambiance. Justgoes to show ya that 
"globalization" only worksif the globe wants what you're sellin'...
 From:"anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]"
To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent:Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:54 AM
Subject:[FairfieldLife] Free Coffee

 Ihappened to be at a Starbucks today,and the registers had just stoppedworking 
even though they were stillturned on. I got a free coffee. Thebarista was on 
the phone with theirtechnical help and said the networksystem had somehow gone 
down. Saved mea small bit of cash. They put a signon the store that they could 
serve nomore.
Thenews later this evening: Starbucks:Computer Outage Disrupts Sales inUS, 
Canada
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 10 reasons why Judy quit FFL and why she returned

[aryavazhi]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 She injured both arms, now she got voice recognition software. Her eyesight 
got really bad, and she had to wait so long for an operation. Writing on FFL 
upset her so much, so the doctor told her to stop. She converted to Catholizism 
and stopped TM. She got a job. She had a near-death experience, but has been 
revived.
 Barry bribed her to leave, but he didn't pay the last check. The most 
important letter on her keyboard, the L, (to write liar) broke, now she found 
she can substitute it with a 1. She had an apparition of Maharishi / Guru Dev 
/Jesus / Robin /.., who told her to stop FFL Your call...
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is what Muslims do and then claim "Isamophobia".

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yeah, what holocaust?
  From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:19 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is what Muslims do and then claim 
"Isamophobia".
   
    Re "President Obama, despite his prior promises to recognize the Armenian 
Genocide, . . . ":

Do we give a shit about what the ruling elite do or do not regard as "a 
genocide"? Can't you make up your own mind about whether the Armenian death 
toll was a genocide? Or the decimation of the American Indians? Or the deaths 
of the Maori and aborigines down under?
The last thing we need is an official stamp of approval on particular attitudes 
to historical events. There are always exceptions of course. I guess it's 
important that there is an official view that Elizabeth II is the legitimate 
monarch. But outside these constitutional rulings let's be left alone to decide 
our own take on what happened.






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Why the World Ignores the Islamist Armenian Genocideby Ben Shapiro24 Apr 2015
Fridaymarked the 100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide, and 
PresidentObama, despite his prior promises to recognize the Armenian Genocide, 
failed todo so for the seventh straight year.
The same week,the Turkish government announced that Obama would join the 
Turkish government,led by Islamist President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in opening 
the Turkish-AmericanCulture and Civilization Center in Maryland. Mevlut 
Cavusoglu, visitingWashington in advance of the commemoration of the Genocide, 
said, “During a phonecall, President Erdogan asked President Obama to accompany 
him in opening thecenter together and President Obama accepted his offer in 
principle.” Cavusogluthen talked about the dangers of Islamophobia.This is a 
remarkable slap in the face to Armenians,marking the centennial of the Genocide 
by radical Muslims against Christians.That is the untold story of the Genocide, 
a story conveniently ignored by themedia and forgotten by world governments 
similarly ignoring atrocities byMuslims against Christians the world over.
To understand the ArmenianGenocide, one must first understand the history of 
Turkey, which forcenturies was a Christian country; its capital, now named 
Istanbul by Muslims,was originally named Constantinople after Emperor 
Constantine and was the mostpowerful Christian city in on the planet for 
several centuries. In 1453, thecity was conquered by Muslims and became 
Istanbul and the capital of the OttomanEmpire. Armenia remained Christian, 
however. As the Ottoman Empire crumbled,despite the fact that other territories 
gained their independence, Armenia didnot.
In 1876, Sultan Abdul Hamid II took over dictatorshipof the Empire. By 1878, he 
had signed away Romania, Serbia, and Montenegro; theBalkans were essentially 
freed of the Ottomans; he lost Egypt and Sudan to theBritish. By the 1890s, 
Armenians began demanding reforms. In response, theSultan gave free reign to 
Kurdish groups to begin targeting Armenians, and whenArmenians responded, the 
Sultan unleashed the Muslim military against theArmenians. Some 300,000 
Armenians were killed.
In 1908, under pressure from reformers known as theYoung Turks, the Sultan gave 
up power. But the movement for liberalism lastedonly a few years before three 
Islamist leaders of the Young Turks seized powerfor themselves, then joined 
World War I on the side of the Germans. The ThreePashas, as they became known, 
decided to reconstitute the Empire, freeing it ofChristian influence. In 
precursors to the Genocide, as the Young Turks tookpower, Islamists began 
massacring Christian Armenians. At the time, The New York Times reported that 
the Turks hadendorsed a “policy of extermination directed against the 
Christians of AsiaMinor.”
Once World War I broke out, the government beganopenly targeting Armenian 
Christians under the pretense that they would sidewith the Russian Christians 
to the north. As the Times states:
The YoungTurks, who called themselves the Committee of Unity and Progress, 
launched aset of measures against the Armenians, including a law authorizing 
the militaryand government to deport anyone they “sensed” was a security 
threat. A laterlaw allowed the confiscation of abandoned Armenian property. 
Armenians wereordered to turn in any weapons that they owned to the 
authorities. Those in thearmy were disarmed and transferred into labor 
battalions where they were eitherkilled or worked to death.
Those policies of disarmament then led to wholescaleslaughter, as Turkish 
troops drove Armenians into the desert to starve – overone million of them, by 
reports. Children were thrown into rivers to drown; inTrabzond, the US consul, 
Ascar Heizer, reported:
Nearly 3,000children were installed in empty houses, of which there were 
many…This plan didnot suit Nail Bey, and in about ten days he advertised that 
any Mahommedan, whowanted to take girls or boys, could ap

[FairfieldLife] 8 reasons why Judy quit FFL and why she returned

[aryavazhi]

She injured both arms, now she got voice recognition software. Her eyesight got 
really bad, and she had to wait so long for an operation. Writing on FFL upset 
her so much, so the doctor told her to stop. She converted to Catholizism and 
stopped TM. She got a job. She had a near-death experience, but has been 
revived.
 Barry bribed her to leave, but he didn't pay the last check. The most 
important letter on her keyboard, the L, (to write liar) broke, now she found 
she can substitute it with a 1. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    Nope, has nothing to do with the "tactic" you invented and falsely 
attribute to TM supporters in that post, except insofar as the post represents 
your futile and laughable attempt to slaughter the elephant.
Just as an example of how ludicrous your Big Game Hunter efforts are: In a  
post to Xeno today, first you declare that there is something terribly wrong 
with True Believers. Then in the very next paragraph, you claim that what's 
wrong with them is that they think there's something wrong with unbelievers.
(You were completely oblivious to this spectacular piece of chop-logic. Xeno 
may catch it, but if he does, he won't mention it, because he doesn't dare 
cross you.)
Barry and I seem to agree more or less on a number of subjects. Also I do not 
read everything he writes, and I am sure he does not read everything I write. I 
really don't care if Barry is trashing others on this forum. He has certain 
points of view and he expresses them. They are typically not highly refined 
logical tropes; more like fishing with a shotgun. Which side I take on an 
argument is a choice, though the nature of choice is somewhat of a mystery if 
one takes into account what we know of the laws of nature, and the nature of 
the mind as we experience it via these spiritual technologies such as 
meditation.
To me a true believer simply has a mental stance toward some subject that is 
based on imagination more than fact. For example the concept of rights is 
something we manufacture for our benefit. This is not an idea I invented, for 
example I heard the lawyer Alan Dershowitz (who retired from teaching law at 
Harvard a couple of years ago) say the same thing. Rights do not exist outside 
our minds; we create rights to make our society run more smoothly; they can be 
a good thing (and 'good' is another manufactured concept). Now that there is 
more factual information on why sexual orientation happens the way it happens, 
creating a right to make society less abrasive toward certain people can be 
based on factual information rather on than abstract and unprovable 
formulations such as morality.
Further to that post: One wonders how your and Xeno's formulations would apply 
to, say, a True Believer in gay rights who thinks there's something wrong with 
homophobes (and of course the homophobes think there's something wrong with the 
TBs who champion gay rights).
After all, you did say:
In a very real sense, being a True Believer -- in pretty much *anything* -- is 
a form of handicap. TBs are cripples or "impaired persons," in that they lack 
abilities that others around them take for granted. What is worse is that they 
don't *know* that they are crippled. 






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 

Just a word about the elephant in the room that the thug apologists have so 
carefully been tiptoeing around: It was never criticism of TM/the TMO/MMY that 
TM supporters found intolerable. It was the relentless vicious and dishonest 
personal attacks, led by Barry, on those TM supporters that finally triggered 
the mass exodus to The Peak. Barry and his gang of thugs know this but are 
doing their best to make it appear otherwise, because the truth is embarrassing.
I see that since she's been gone Judy has developed the same "spotty reading" 
habits she used to deride. She's foolishly attempting to use a tactic I already 
described in a post made only yesterday.  :-)  :-)  :-)

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413925



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 

Just a word about the elephant in the room that the thug apologists have so 
carefully been tiptoeing around: It was never criticism of TM/the TMO/MMY that 
TM supporters found intolerable. It was the relentless vicious and dishonest 
personal attacks, led by Barry, on those TM supporters that finally triggered 
the mass exodus to The Peak. Barry and his gang of thugs know this but are 
doing their best to make it appear otherwise, because the truth is embarrassing.
I see that since she's been gone Judy has developed the same "spotty reading" 
habits she used to deride. She's foolishly attempting to use a tactic I already 
described in a post made only yesterday.  :-)  :-)  :-)

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 So, it's all about Judy posting ONE MORE TIME.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Heh, it's like a contest now to see who can get Judy to post ONE MORE TIME.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Judy Quit FFL

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 So, it's all about Judy quitting FFL.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't know.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    Nope, has nothing to do with the "tactic" you invented and falsely 
attribute to TM supporters in that post, except insofar as the post represents 
your futile and laughable attempt to slaughter the elephant.
Just as an example of how ludicrous your Big Game Hunter efforts are: In a  
post to Xeno today, first you declare that there is something terribly wrong 
with True Believers. Then in the very next paragraph, you claim that what's 
wrong with them is that they think there's something wrong with unbelievers.
(You were completely oblivious to this spectacular piece of chop-logic. Xeno 
may catch it, but if he does, he won't mention it, because he doesn't dare 
cross you.)


Further to that post: One wonders how your and Xeno's formulations would apply 
to, say, a True Believer in gay rights who thinks there's something wrong with 
homophobes (and of course the homophobes think there's something wrong with the 
TBs who champion gay rights).
After all, you did say:
In a very real sense, being a True Believer -- in pretty much *anything* -- is 
a form of handicap. TBs are cripples or "impaired persons," in that they lack 
abilities that others around them take for granted. What is worse is that they 
don't *know* that they are crippled. 


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[FairfieldLife] Why Judy Quit FFL

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I don't know.

[FairfieldLife] Re: This is what Muslims do and then claim "Isamophobia".

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re "President Obama, despite his prior promises to recognize the Armenian 
Genocide, . . . ":
 

 Do we give a shit about what the ruling elite do or do not regard as "a 
genocide"? Can't you make up your own mind about whether the Armenian death 
toll was a genocide? Or the decimation of the American Indians? Or the deaths 
of the Maori and aborigines down under?
 

 The last thing we need is an official stamp of approval on particular 
attitudes to historical events. There are always exceptions of course. I guess 
it's important that there is an official view that Elizabeth II is the 
legitimate monarch. But outside these constitutional rulings let's be left 
alone to decide our own take on what happened.
 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why the World Ignores the Islamist Armenian Genocide
 by Ben Shapiro http://www.breitbart.com/author/ben-shapiro/24 Apr 2015
 

 Friday marked the 100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide, and President 
Obama, despite his prior promises to recognize the Armenian Genocide, failed to 
do so for the seventh straight year.
 

 The same week 
http://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/496476--erdogan-obama-to-open-turkish-mosque-in-us-turkish-fm,
 the Turkish government announced that Obama would join the Turkish government, 
led by Islamist President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in opening the Turkish-American 
Culture and Civilization Center in Maryland. Mevlut Cavusoglu, visiting 
Washington in advance of the commemoration of the Genocide, said, “During a 
phone call, President Erdogan asked President Obama to accompany him in opening 
the center together and President Obama accepted his offer in principle.” 
Cavusoglu then talked about the dangers of Islamophobia.
 This is a remarkable slap in the face to Armenians, marking the centennial of 
the Genocide by radical Muslims against Christians. That is the untold story of 
the Genocide, a story conveniently ignored by the media and forgotten by world 
governments similarly ignoring atrocities by Muslims against Christians the 
world over.
 

 To understand the Armenian Genocide, one must first understand the history of 
Turkey, which for centuries was a Christian country; its capital, now named 
Istanbul by Muslims, was originally named Constantinople after Emperor 
Constantine and was the most powerful Christian city in on the planet for 
several centuries. In 1453, the city was conquered by Muslims and became 
Istanbul and the capital of the Ottoman Empire. Armenia remained Christian, 
however. As the Ottoman Empire crumbled, despite the fact that other 
territories gained their independence, Armenia did not.
 

 In 1876, Sultan Abdul Hamid II took over dictatorship of the Empire. By 1878, 
he had signed away Romania, Serbia, and Montenegro; the Balkans were 
essentially freed of the Ottomans; he lost Egypt and Sudan to the British. By 
the 1890s, Armenians began demanding reforms. In response, the Sultan gave free 
reign to Kurdish groups to begin targeting Armenians, and when Armenians 
responded, the Sultan unleashed the Muslim military against the Armenians. Some 
300,000 Armenians were killed.
 

 In 1908, under pressure from reformers known as the Young Turks, the Sultan 
gave up power. But the movement for liberalism lasted only a few years before 
three Islamist leaders of the Young Turks seized power for themselves, then 
joined World War I on the side of the Germans. The Three Pashas, as they became 
known, decided to reconstitute the Empire, freeing it of Christian influence. 
In precursors to the Genocide, as the Young Turks took power, Islamists began 
massacring Christian Armenians. At the time, The New York Times 
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/timestopics/topics_armeniangenocide.html reported 
that the Turks had endorsed a “policy of extermination directed against the 
Christians of Asia Minor.”
 

 Once World War I broke out, the government began openly targeting Armenian 
Christians under the pretense that they would side with the Russian Christians 
to the north. As the Times states:
 

 The Young Turks, who called themselves the Committee of Unity and Progress, 
launched a set of measures against the Armenians, including a law authorizing 
the military and government to deport anyone they “sensed” was a security 
threat. A later law allowed the confiscation of abandoned Armenian property. 
Armenians were ordered to turn in any weapons that they owned to the 
authorities. Those in the army were disarmed and transferred into labor 
battalions where they were either killed or worked to death.
 

 Those policies of disarmament then led to wholescale slaughter, as Turkish 
troops drove Armenians into the desert to starve – over one million of them, by 
reports. Children were thrown into rivers to drown; in Trabzond, the US consul, 
Ascar Heizer, reported:
 

 Nearly 3,000 children were installed in empty houses, of which there were 
many…This plan did not suit Nail Bey, and in about ten days he adve

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[Duveyoung]

Heh, it's like a contest now to see who can get Judy to post ONE MORE TIME.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Coffee

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

I've had three espresso machines and already mentioned here that most of 
the week make my espresso at home.  First machine was a Gaggia which 
only lasted a few years. Next a Krups that lasted 10 years and now a 
Hamilton Beach that still runs (needed a good cleaning though).  I know 
not exactly gourmet choices for machines but I drink espresso for more 
dark roast flavor and alkalinity over brewed coffee.


Starbucks is more for socializing.  Ever try that or do you not do well 
face to face with people?  Wouldn't be surprised. :-D


On 04/25/2015 02:28 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Quitcher bitchin.

Just go out and buy an espresso maker. Some are just $250 and make 
double cups along with fabulous foam.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Coffee

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Quitcher bitchin. 

Just go out and buy an espresso maker. Some are just $250 and make double cups 
along with fabulous foam.

[FairfieldLife] Maps to the Stars

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

David Cronenberg first came to my attention with those seventies' horror films 
like Rabid which I tended to find rather disgusting and definitely not my cup 
of tea. He's matured a lot over the decades and this warped, black satire on 
the lure of Hollywood - Maps to the Stars (which I watched on DVD yesterday) - 
is cynicism taken to a whole new level. It's not an enjoyable watch but is 
disturbingly unforgettable. It contains "adult themes" - and then some. The 
cast is uniformly excellent with Julianne Moore showing courage beyond the call 
of duty in taking on such an unsympathetic character who is psychologically 
stripped bare. 
 

 The script is by one Bruce Wagner, a former member of Castaneda’s inner circle 
and who produced some instructional videos for the cult. Wagner also married 
Carol Tiggs one of Castaneda's "witches". After Castaneda's death many of the 
witches disappeared (probably a suicide pact) and Tiggs was supposed to have 
joined them in their final exit. She chickened out (or her common sense kicked 
in) at the crucial moment and is with us still.
 

 Watch at your peril! But love it or loathe it this is serious (art-house) 
film-making and not the usual Hollywood escapist pap.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLuGZcVAW78 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLuGZcVAW78

 

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Coffee

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 04/25/2015 01:43 PM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Probably works for people who want to grab some coffee in a hurry.  
Starbucks was not intended to be a replacement for European cappuccino 
bars.  But you may recall in the 1970s boomers didn't like coffee 
because it gave them the jitters and the coffee industry even ran TV 
promos trying to get folks hooked again.  I didn't drink coffee back 
then until I started working downtown Seattle about 1980 and would 
grab something to eat and drink on my way to my temp job. One can find 
espresso made like they do in Europe in classic Italian restaurants 
around here.  I'm not talking Olive Garden either. ;-)


I had a Starbucks once, and that was only because I got a free voucher 
in some newspaper. I asked for a cappucino and took it back because I 
thought they'd forgot to put the coffee in. They made me another with 
an extra shot and it still tasted like someone had dipped a single 
grain of nescafe in some warm milk.


Starbucks can be hit or miss.  I have one at the top of the hill, 
literally about 2 blocks away.  I never go there because even if the 
place isn't busy they are painfully slow.  Also the clientèle tend to be 
snobs or county bureaucrats from across the street.  Downtown Starbucks 
is a mix and a lot of the town folks I'm friends with. The staff is 
friendly and don't fall down on getting drinks out on time.  The 
assistant manager who is there and has been since it opened about 15 
years ago subbed managed the nearby shop for a couple weeks and 
increased business by 20% just getting drinks out on time.  Then when 
she went back downtown they went back to their old tricks.  Another 
manager told me they don't care because it's the top grossing Starbucks 
in the East Bay.  BTW, the downtown assistant doesn't want to be a full 
manager because they get moved around and she can walk to work downtown.




How they make a global brand out of it I don't know, it must be 
consistency. The local independent cafes round here make either a 
consistently bland brew or a fantastic cup one day or something that 
tastes like lukewarm creosote the next. Or occasionally they are 
always good but ruinously expensive. Costa are the only place that I 
can rely on outside London but I stopped going there when they shrank 
the size of the cakes recently. Did they think we wouldn't notice?


Starbucks has been shrinking goodies too.  The scones used to be twice 
the size and the breakfast sandwiches shrinking to near slider size.  
Yeah, we notice and joke about it.  The best breakfast deal is still the 
bagels. Those haven't shrunk but I think they get them from the Thomas 
company anyway.  There is training for Starbucks baristas and they often 
pride themselves in making drinks.  The Clover machine is only at some 
stores and it is an inverse press machine.  When they make one they're 
supposed to start it ahead of the two drinks in line as they have to 
grind the coffee and then it takes a while to pour once started.  That 
way in comes out in order.  I have a free one coming so will get the 
darkest premium reserve coffee they're currently offering in the largest 
(Venti) size.  I will be sipping it on the patio tomorrow and watching 
the folks at the farmer's market in the street.






On 04/24/2015 10:55 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:


*/The only Starbucks in my town is at the central train station.
Almost no one goes there because in the Netherlands almost every
cafe can make a better cup of coffee and literally every cafe has
better ambiance. Just goes to show ya that "globalization" only
works if the globe wants what you're sellin'.../*

*From:* "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]"

 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:54 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Free Coffee

I happened to be at a Starbucks today, and the registers had just
stopped working even though they were still turned on. I got a
free coffee. The barista was on the phone with their technical
help and said the network system had somehow gone down. Saved me a
small bit of cash. They put a sign on the store that they could
serve no more.

The news later this evening: Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts
Sales in US, Canada







Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales in US, Canada



A computer outage affecting sales registers disrupted sales Friday
at 8,000 company-

Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Coffee

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Probably works for people who want to grab some coffee in a hurry.  Starbucks 
was not intended to be a replacement for European cappuccino bars.  But you may 
recall in the 1970s boomers didn't like coffee because it gave them the jitters 
and the coffee industry even ran TV promos trying to get folks hooked again.  I 
didn't drink coffee back then until I started working downtown Seattle about 
1980 and would grab something to eat and drink on my way to my temp job.  One 
can find espresso made like they do in Europe in classic Italian restaurants 
around here.  I'm not talking Olive Garden either. ;-)
 

 I had a Starbucks once, and that was only because I got a free voucher in some 
newspaper. I asked for a cappucino and took it back because I thought they'd 
forgot to put the coffee in. They made me another with an extra shot and it 
still tasted like someone had dipped a single grain of nescafe in some warm 
milk.
 

 How they make a global brand out of it I don't know, it must be consistency. 
The local independent cafes round here make either a consistently bland brew or 
a fantastic cup one day or something that tastes like lukewarm creosote the 
next. Or occasionally they are always good but ruinously expensive. Costa are 
the only place that I can rely on outside London but I stopped going there when 
they shrank the size of the cakes recently. Did they think we wouldn't notice?
 

 
 
 On 04/24/2015 10:55 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   The only Starbucks in my town is at the central train station. Almost no one 
goes there because in the Netherlands almost every cafe can make a better cup 
of coffee and literally every cafe has better ambiance. Just goes to show ya 
that "globalization" only works if the globe wants what you're sellin'...

 
 From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:54 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Free Coffee
 
 
   I happened to be at a Starbucks today, and the registers had just stopped 
working even though they were still turned on. I got a free coffee. The barista 
was on the phone with their technical help and said the network system had 
somehow gone down. Saved me a small bit of cash. They put a sign on the store 
that they could serve no more.
 
 
 The news later this evening: Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales in US, 
Canada
 
 
 
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/starbucks-reports-register-outage-stores-us-canada-30571933
 
 Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales in US, Canada A computer outage 
affecting sales registers disrupted sales Friday at 8,000 company-operated 
Starbucks stores in the United States and Canada. Stores ...


 
 Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales in US, Canada 
 
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/starbucks-reports-register-outage-stores-us-canada-30571933
 
 Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales in US, Canada A computer outage 
affecting sales registers disrupted sales Friday at 8,000 company-operated 
Starbucks stores in the United States and Canada. Stores ...


 
 View on abcnews.go.com 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 
 




 
 






 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

salyavin wrote:
 







LOL, you'll be crawling back up the post count in no time!
 

 Nope, sorry to disappoint.
 

 This is another one, you've eclipsed some round here already.
 

 True, true this one isn't up to the lengthy standard of the old days but 
you'll soon get back into the swing of it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

salyavin wrote:
 







LOL, you'll be crawling back up the post count in no time!
 

 Nope, sorry to disappoint.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Coffee

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Probably works for people who want to grab some coffee in a hurry.  
Starbucks was not intended to be a replacement for European cappuccino 
bars.  But you may recall in the 1970s boomers didn't like coffee 
because it gave them the jitters and the coffee industry even ran TV 
promos trying to get folks hooked again.  I didn't drink coffee back 
then until I started working downtown Seattle about 1980 and would grab 
something to eat and drink on my way to my temp job.  One can find 
espresso made like they do in Europe in classic Italian restaurants 
around here.  I'm not talking Olive Garden either. ;-)


On 04/24/2015 10:55 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*/The only Starbucks in my town is at the central train station. 
Almost no one goes there because in the Netherlands almost every cafe 
can make a better cup of coffee and literally every cafe has better 
ambiance. Just goes to show ya that "globalization" only works if the 
globe wants what you're sellin'.../*


*From:* "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:54 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Free Coffee

I happened to be at a Starbucks today, and the registers had just 
stopped working even though they were still turned on. I got a free 
coffee. The barista was on the phone with their technical help and 
said the network system had somehow gone down. Saved me a small bit of 
cash. They put a sign on the store that they could serve no more.


The news later this evening: Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales 
in US, Canada 





image 




Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales in US, Canada 
 

A computer outage affecting sales registers disrupted sales Friday at 
8,000 company-operated Starbucks stores in the United States and 
Canada. Stores ...


Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales in US, Canada 
 





image 
 




Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales in US, Canada 
 

A computer outage affecting sales registers disrupted sales Friday at 
8,000 company-operated Starbucks stores in the United States and 
Canada. Stores ...


View on abcnews.go.com 
 



Preview by Yahoo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 salyavin wrote:
 

 I wonder who these thugs are?
 

 No, you don't.
 

 She must have very poor reading comprehension if she thinks that the peaksters 
weren't just using Barry's colourful prose as an excuse to leave.
 

 That makes no sense, salyavin. Nobody needed an "excuse" to leave. They had 
always enjoyed FFL, but it was becoming less and less enjoyable by the day as 
Barry and his gang went further and further out of control. If there was indeed 
an "excuse" to leave, it was that Jim had the initiative to start his own forum 
where they could express themselves without having to constantly duck 
insulting, gratuitous missiles.
 

 And it wasn't just Barry's offensively phrased Maharishi hypothetical that was 
the straw the camel stepped on and broke. It was also the truly vicious, 
entirely gratuitous insult to TMers--that if they witnessed Maharishi sexually 
abusing a baby, they'd "walk away still believing he was a 'life celibate.'"
 

 (That wasn't just a "metaphor" as some have claimed, BTW. Barry later asserted 
that it was factual.)
 

 And I was right, she's much happier here arguing than she would be over there 
having a group hug every morning.
 

 You're not right, sorry. You're clueless. Not to mention your lack of reading 
comprehension.
 







LOL, you'll be crawling back up the post count in no time!
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

salyavin wrote:
 

 I wonder who these thugs are?
 

 No, you don't.
 

 She must have very poor reading comprehension if she thinks that the peaksters 
weren't just using Barry's colourful prose as an excuse to leave.
 

 That makes no sense, salyavin. Nobody needed an "excuse" to leave. They had 
always enjoyed FFL, but it was becoming less and less enjoyable by the day as 
Barry and his gang went further and further out of control. If there was indeed 
an "excuse" to leave, it was that Jim had the initiative to start his own forum 
where they could express themselves without having to constantly duck 
insulting, gratuitous missiles.
 

 And it wasn't just Barry's offensively phrased Maharishi hypothetical that was 
the straw the camel stepped on and broke. It was also the truly vicious, 
entirely gratuitous insult to TMers--that if they witnessed Maharishi sexually 
abusing a baby, they'd "walk away still believing he was a 'life celibate.'"
 

 (That wasn't just a "metaphor" as some have claimed, BTW. Barry later asserted 
that it was factual.)
 

 And I was right, she's much happier here arguing than she would be over there 
having a group hug every morning.
 

 You're not right, sorry. You're clueless. Not to mention your lack of reading 
comprehension.
 

[FairfieldLife] YF sutra in Hebrew?

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Anyone know the YF sutra in Hebrew? 
 

 I've been occasionally using my own version of the original Sanskrit,
  and it slightly seem to be more effective than the one in my native 
language

Re: [FairfieldLife] Things they Believe..

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, the more I watch Wolf Hall the more acutely interesting the comparisons 
are. Is raining here too, I just finished the historical side link on the PBS 
page there about 'Inside the Court of Henry VIII'. 
 
 
 For the last year I have been attending meditating community working committee 
[Fairfield Mental Health Alliance] meetings of the realm here and I see all the 
characters and fear and vested interests of points of view. I am on several but 
this one sub-committee I am on had representatives of an upper trustee sent 
over to work with the committee. This small working group is become like a 
privy-council to the trustee. It is dangerous work. These two are trusted at 
that level and have access up and down. Really effective guys, Not Rajas but 
come in to this committee work a lot like Cromwell and that Stephen character 
who Henry put together as his aides for a while to work for him in governance 
work with the elements of the kingdom. 
 
 
 I am always amazed that this one small sub-committee has gone as far as we 
have without these two guys being arrested yet by the Prime Minister of the 
Global Country. ..proly does not really understand what is being done between 
Lords that vie between regressive faith-based and merit-based progressive 
pressures. Survival is and becomes really dangerous at that level as so many 
people who serve at most any level are there at the pleasure ultimately of the 
Prime Minister. 
 
 
 Turns out I have been on the similar committees and have files from serving on 
them that happened here in the 1980's and the 1990's. It did not end well for 
the people on those committees then. This is the third time around for me 
standing on this work. 
 

  Like with Norfolk and the old Lords in the end of Cromwell there is a 
solidifying going on locally here now with who is there at top, a bolstering 
and bringing back old guard people who were close around Maharishi and 
elevating them to be ministers with and like Bevan that have portfolio 
different than even Rajas. There's really only about 30 Rajas that count now. 
Wolf Hall as like with our movement culture of fear-mantras here in culture if 
you are in it then it is dangerous to have any outlaying feelings or opinion or 
at the least voice it unless you have protection; there is so much in Wolf Hall 
that is spot on. In watching you got to fear for anyone who is dependent for 
place. 
 

 I am saving Wolf Hall #4 for tomorrow. 
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Buck, it's been raining today so my planned picnic turned into a bust, so I've 
watched a bit of "Wolf Hall," enough to know that it probably reveals far more 
about your beliefs and mindset than you realize.  -Well, that is presuming an 
assumption 

 

 Could you do me a favor, in all seriousness? Write up and post a short 
synopsis of the plot, as you see it. Who are the Good Guys, and why, and who 
are the Bad Guys, and why? Thanks in advance...  -I am learning the story line 
now

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

   
 I have this series, Doug, but haven't gotten around to watching it. I'll 
comment here when I do. Thanks for the reminder...

 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 

   
 Anybody watching the Masterpiece Threatre, Wolf Hall? There it is again in 
full spectrum, the eternal struggle of transcendentalism v consequences of 
spiritual ignorance... “On what and on whose side are you on? Self-knowledge v 
the TB'er mind of faith-based religion?

 Wolf Hall | Programs http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/wolf-hall/ 
 
 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/wolf-hall/
 
 Wolf Hall | Programs http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/wolf-hall/ 
Mark Rylance and Damian Lewis star in Wolf Hall, based on the books of Hilary 
Mantel, and premiering on MASTERPIECE on PBS Sundays, April...


 
 View on www.pbs.org http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/wolf-hall/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 
   Watch Online http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/watch-online/ 
 
 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/watch-online/
 
 Watch Online http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/watch-online/ Watch full 
episodes, video shorts, previews and cast interviews from Masterpiece on PBS, 
including programs such as Downton Abbey and Sherlock.


 
 View on www.pbs.org http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/watch-online/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 

 From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 9:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
 
 
 


 Most of the people here probably went through a true-believer stage, at least 
to some extent, and this probably includes most of those here with whom you 
disagree. So these people can at least understand your position, but the 
important point is a true-believer cannot understand the position of 

[FairfieldLife] Re: This is what Muslims do and then claim "Isamophobia".

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Why the World Ignores the Islamist Armenian Genocide
 by Ben Shapiro http://www.breitbart.com/author/ben-shapiro/24 Apr 2015
 

 Friday marked the 100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide, and President 
Obama, despite his prior promises to recognize the Armenian Genocide, failed to 
do so for the seventh straight year.
 

 The same week 
http://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/496476--erdogan-obama-to-open-turkish-mosque-in-us-turkish-fm,
 the Turkish government announced that Obama would join the Turkish government, 
led by Islamist President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in opening the Turkish-American 
Culture and Civilization Center in Maryland. Mevlut Cavusoglu, visiting 
Washington in advance of the commemoration of the Genocide, said, “During a 
phone call, President Erdogan asked President Obama to accompany him in opening 
the center together and President Obama accepted his offer in principle.” 
Cavusoglu then talked about the dangers of Islamophobia.
 This is a remarkable slap in the face to Armenians, marking the centennial of 
the Genocide by radical Muslims against Christians. That is the untold story of 
the Genocide, a story conveniently ignored by the media and forgotten by world 
governments similarly ignoring atrocities by Muslims against Christians the 
world over.
 

 To understand the Armenian Genocide, one must first understand the history of 
Turkey, which for centuries was a Christian country; its capital, now named 
Istanbul by Muslims, was originally named Constantinople after Emperor 
Constantine and was the most powerful Christian city in on the planet for 
several centuries. In 1453, the city was conquered by Muslims and became 
Istanbul and the capital of the Ottoman Empire. Armenia remained Christian, 
however. As the Ottoman Empire crumbled, despite the fact that other 
territories gained their independence, Armenia did not.
 

 In 1876, Sultan Abdul Hamid II took over dictatorship of the Empire. By 1878, 
he had signed away Romania, Serbia, and Montenegro; the Balkans were 
essentially freed of the Ottomans; he lost Egypt and Sudan to the British. By 
the 1890s, Armenians began demanding reforms. In response, the Sultan gave free 
reign to Kurdish groups to begin targeting Armenians, and when Armenians 
responded, the Sultan unleashed the Muslim military against the Armenians. Some 
300,000 Armenians were killed.
 

 In 1908, under pressure from reformers known as the Young Turks, the Sultan 
gave up power. But the movement for liberalism lasted only a few years before 
three Islamist leaders of the Young Turks seized power for themselves, then 
joined World War I on the side of the Germans. The Three Pashas, as they became 
known, decided to reconstitute the Empire, freeing it of Christian influence. 
In precursors to the Genocide, as the Young Turks took power, Islamists began 
massacring Christian Armenians. At the time, The New York Times 
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/timestopics/topics_armeniangenocide.html reported 
that the Turks had endorsed a “policy of extermination directed against the 
Christians of Asia Minor.”
 

 Once World War I broke out, the government began openly targeting Armenian 
Christians under the pretense that they would side with the Russian Christians 
to the north. As the Times states:
 

 The Young Turks, who called themselves the Committee of Unity and Progress, 
launched a set of measures against the Armenians, including a law authorizing 
the military and government to deport anyone they “sensed” was a security 
threat. A later law allowed the confiscation of abandoned Armenian property. 
Armenians were ordered to turn in any weapons that they owned to the 
authorities. Those in the army were disarmed and transferred into labor 
battalions where they were either killed or worked to death.
 

 Those policies of disarmament then led to wholescale slaughter, as Turkish 
troops drove Armenians into the desert to starve – over one million of them, by 
reports. Children were thrown into rivers to drown; in Trabzond, the US consul, 
Ascar Heizer, reported:
 

 Nearly 3,000 children were installed in empty houses, of which there were 
many…This plan did not suit Nail Bey, and in about ten days he advertised that 
any Mahommedan, who wanted to take girls or boys, could apply to these homes 
and a great many children were taken. He himself chose ten of the best-looking 
girls and kept them in a house for his own pleasure, and the amusement of his 
friends. Many of the children were loaded into boats and taken out to sea and 
thrown overboard. I myself saw where 16 were washed ashore.
 

 Villages were burned with residents still inside.
 

 Just before the advent of the invasion of Poland, Hitler told his troops, “Go, 
kill without mercy… who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the 
Armenians?”
 

 And who, today, speaks of the genocidal attempts of radical Muslims in the 
Middle East? A world that has deliberately ignored the genocide by radical 
Musli

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

So, it looks like it's official - a few of the remaining FFL informants have 
been proven to be liars. I almost feel sorry for them - they didn't think Judy 
would be reading their fibs on FFL. 

Now it looks like they are in denial - anything to keep from having to admit 
they posted lies to the group. Go figure. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

   Judy Stein, Editor From Beyond The Grave. 

 

 Some things never change.  :-)
 

 

 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 4:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
 
 
   
 aryavazhi wrote, in part:
 

 ...Just remember Judy, not being in contact with the movement at all, having 
had 1 1/2 TM courses in her life,
 

 I don't really know what "1 1/2 TM courses" could mean, but for the record, I 
took the basic TM course, the TM-Sidhis course, the mini-SCI course, a 
self-pulse-reading course, and a couple of dozen residence courses and WPAs 
(some week-long). I've mentioned them all here at one time or another.
 

 refusing to get even advanced techniques because she was afraid of telling her 
mantra aloud,
 

 This is pure made-up malicious bullshit. I have an advanced technique and 
would have gotten more if I'd had the extra cash at the appropriate times.
 

 never having seen Maharishi herself, but playing the game of being the most 
faithful for years,
 

 I haven't played any games here, and I'm obviously "not the most faithful"; I 
have said many times that I loathe the movement and have criticized elements of 
Maharishi's teaching and of his personal life.
 

 until a Robin came, who, with a schizophrenic combination of faithful TMer and 
anti-Hindu cleric,
 

 He wasn't schizophrenic, he was rabidly anti-TM (not sure what "anti-Hindu 
cleric" means).
 

 just blew her away like nothing? And the going on defending Robin and TM?
 

 Robin was the target of many attacks, most of them unfair and many of them 
malicious. As his friend, I defended him. I've done likewise with TM. So what?
 

 And who misses her?
 

 Quite a few, judging by my email.
 

 Those whome she abused most, Buck and Willy, what a show
 

 I've criticized both of them on occasion but nowhere near as often as I have 
some others here (including yourself). I did a search, and Buck has hardly 
mentioned me since I stopped posting. Willytex invokes me frequently, not 
because he misses me but in the hope of annoying those I've criticized in the 
past. BFD.
 

 A fine show of dishonesty and malice, aryavazhi. So spiritual.
 

 Barry and his acolytes can relax, BTW. I have no intention of starting to post 
regularly again. I've peeked in now and then to see what was happening; I 
haven't bothered to correct Barry's lies about me because you all know that's 
just what he does. But you may not know aryavazhi is a liar as well, so I 
thought I should make that clear. If he responds to this, it will almost 
certainly be with more lies.
 

 Judy
 

 P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate 
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a 
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had 
nothing to do with FFL per se.
 


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 The bully thugs have been exposed, self-condemned by their own argument and 
false rhetoric, but they don't want to admit it or even talk abut it - 
intellectual dishonesty. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Just a word about the elephant in the room that the thug apologists have so 
carefully been tiptoeing around: It was never criticism of TM/the TMO/MMY that 
TM supporters found intolerable. It was the relentless vicious and dishonest 
personal attacks, led by Barry, on those TM supporters that finally triggered 
the mass exodus to The Peak. 

Sometimes the truth hurts when you read it on a public forum.  Obviously they 
take this very seriously.

Barry and his gang of thugs know this but are doing their best to make it 
appear otherwise, because the truth is embarrassing.

They know they lost the religious debate but their ego just can't let them 
admit the truth - over one-half of the debate team quit because of the 
relentless vicious personal attacks, led by Barry.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate 
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a 
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had 
nothing to do with FFL per se.
 

 Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was 
right and you got reincarnated as the same thing!
 

 Actually, that's the most disappointing thing. All this time away, and she's 
still just as petty and self-obsessed as ever. One would have hoped there would 
have been progress of some kind...
 

 
















   

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate 
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a 
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had 
nothing to do with FFL per se.
 

 Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was 
right and you got reincarnated as the same thing!
 

 Actually, that's the most disappointing thing. All this time away, and she's 
still just as petty and self-obsessed as ever. One would have hoped there would 
have been progress of some kind...
 

 

















  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Just a word about the elephant in the room that the thug apologists have so 
carefully been tiptoeing around: It was never criticism of TM/the TMO/MMY that 
TM supporters found intolerable. It was the relentless vicious and dishonest 
personal attacks, led by Barry, on those TM supporters that finally triggered 
the mass exodus to The Peak. Barry and his gang of thugs know this but are 
doing their best to make it appear otherwise, because the truth is 
embarrassing. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate 
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a 
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had 
nothing to do with FFL per se.
 

 Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was 
right and you got reincarnated as the same thing!
 

 Actually, that's the most disappointing thing. All this time away, and she's 
still just as petty and self-obsessed as ever. One would have hoped there would 
have been progress of some kind...
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

It looks like a clear case of cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance, is 
the discomfort experienced when someone holds two or more conflicting beliefs 
or ideas, both at the same time.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Just as an example of how ludicrous your Big Game Hunter efforts are: In a  
post to Xeno today, first you declare that there is something terribly wrong 
with True Believers. Then in the very next paragraph, you claim that what's 
wrong with them is that they think there's something wrong with unbelievers. 

After all, you did say: 

 In a very real sense, being a True Believer -- in pretty much *anything* -- is 
a form of handicap. TBs are cripples or "impaired persons," in that they lack 
abilities that others around them take for granted. What is worse is that they 
don't *know* that they are crippled. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 

 Just a word about the elephant in the room that the thug apologists have so 
carefully been tiptoeing around: It was never criticism of TM/the TMO/MMY that 
TM supporters found intolerable. It was the relentless vicious and dishonest 
personal attacks, led by Barry, on those TM supporters that finally triggered 
the mass exodus to The Peak. Barry and his gang of thugs know this but are 
doing their best to make it appear otherwise, because the truth is embarrassing.
 

 I see that since she's been gone Judy has developed the same "spotty reading" 
habits she used to deride. She's foolishly attempting to use a tactic I already 
described in a post made only yesterday.  :-)  :-)  :-)

 

 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413925 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413925?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

 









 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 

 Just a word about the elephant in the room that the thug apologists have so 
carefully been tiptoeing around: It was never criticism of TM/the TMO/MMY that 
TM supporters found intolerable. It was the relentless vicious and dishonest 
personal attacks, led by Barry, on those TM supporters that finally triggered 
the mass exodus to The Peak. Barry and his gang of thugs know this but are 
doing their best to make it appear otherwise, because the truth is embarrassing.
 

 I see that since she's been gone Judy has developed the same "spotty reading" 
habits she used to deride. She's foolishly attempting to use a tactic I already 
described in a post made only yesterday.  :-)  :-)  :-)

 

 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413925 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413925?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 So, it's all about Judy.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Actually, that's the most disappointing thing. 

It's always been about Judy; the reason you've been posting to Google Groups 
and Yahoo Groups for the last two decades. You need her for a target obviously. 

 All this time away, and she's still just as petty and self-obsessed as ever. 

Non sequitur.

One would have hoped there would have been progress of some kind...

You failed to win the religious debate in over 19 years and most of your 
statements and claims have been ridiculed as junk science. The debate is over 
Barry - you lost. LoL! 

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate 
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a 
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had 
nothing to do with FFL per se.
 

 Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was 
right and you got reincarnated as the same thing!
 

 

 















  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Nope, has nothing to do with the "tactic" you invented and falsely attribute to 
TM supporters in that post, except insofar as the post represents your futile 
and laughable attempt to slaughter the elephant. 

 Just as an example of how ludicrous your Big Game Hunter efforts are: In a  
post to Xeno today, first you declare that there is something terribly wrong 
with True Believers. Then in the very next paragraph, you claim that what's 
wrong with them is that they think there's something wrong with unbelievers.
 

 (You were completely oblivious to this spectacular piece of chop-logic. Xeno 
may catch it, but if he does, he won't mention it, because he doesn't dare 
cross you.)
 

 Further to that post: One wonders how your and Xeno's formulations would apply 
to, say, a True Believer in gay rights who thinks there's something wrong with 
homophobes (and of course the homophobes think there's something wrong with the 
TBs who champion gay rights).
 

 After all, you did say:
 

 In a very real sense, being a True Believer -- in pretty much *anything* -- is 
a form of handicap. TBs are cripples or "impaired persons," in that they lack 
abilities that others around them take for granted. What is worse is that they 
don't *know* that they are crippled. 
 





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 

 Just a word about the elephant in the room that the thug apologists have so 
carefully been tiptoeing around: It was never criticism of TM/the TMO/MMY that 
TM supporters found intolerable. It was the relentless vicious and dishonest 
personal attacks, led by Barry, on those TM supporters that finally triggered 
the mass exodus to The Peak. Barry and his gang of thugs know this but are 
doing their best to make it appear otherwise, because the truth is embarrassing.
 

 I see that since she's been gone Judy has developed the same "spotty reading" 
habits she used to deride. She's foolishly attempting to use a tactic I already 
described in a post made only yesterday.  :-)  :-)  :-)

 

 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413925 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413925?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

 
















   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 

 Just a word about the elephant in the room that the thug apologists have so 
carefully been tiptoeing around: It was never criticism of TM/the TMO/MMY that 
TM supporters found intolerable. It was the relentless vicious and dishonest 
personal attacks, led by Barry, on those TM supporters that finally triggered 
the mass exodus to The Peak. Barry and his gang of thugs know this but are 
doing their best to make it appear otherwise, because the truth is embarrassing.
 

 I see that since she's been gone Judy has developed the same "spotty reading" 
habits she used to deride. She's foolishly attempting to use a tactic I already 
described in a post made only yesterday.  :-)  :-)  :-)

 

 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413925 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413925?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Wayward Pines" episode 1 available streaming

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Yeah, I thought about that after I sent it.  Interesting episode, very 
dream like.  Someone who has read the books said they really get going 
in the third book.  Still don't like Vancouver standing in for Seattle.  
FOX broadcasts 720p but the VUDU HDX was still 1080p and at 9 mbps 
almost Blu-ray quality.


On 04/24/2015 12:32 PM, Duveyoung wrote:


Name's spelled "Edg" -- no e.

Thanks for the heads-up.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Coffee

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Their app has been flaky all week on the reward section where it would 
crash.  I'll see how they are doing this morning. They were handing out 
extra stars on espresso drinks this week so have another freebie 
coming.  For those I get the largest Clover and a reserve grind.


On 04/24/2015 08:52 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


I happened to be at a Starbucks today, and the registers had just 
stopped working even though they were still turned on. I got a free 
coffee. The barista was on the phone with their technical help and 
said the network system had somehow gone down. Saved me a small bit of 
cash. They put a sign on the store that that could serve no more.



The news later this evening: Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales 
in US, Canada 






image 
 




Starbucks: Computer Outage Disrupts Sales in US, Canada 
 

A computer outage affecting sales registers disrupted sales Friday at 
8,000 company-operated Starbucks stores in the United States and 
Canada. Stores ...


View on abcnews.go.com 
 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Things they Believe..

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Buck, it's been raining today so my planned picnic turned into a bust, so I've 
watched a bit of "Wolf Hall," enough to know that it probably reveals far more 
about your beliefs and mindset than you realize. 

Could you do me a favor, in all seriousness? Write up and post a short synopsis 
of the plot, as you see it. Who are the Good Guys, and why, and who are the Bad 
Guys, and why? Thanks in advance...
  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

    I have this series, Doug, but haven't gotten around to watching it. I'll 
comment here when I do. Thanks for the reminder...
 

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


    
Anybody watching the MasterpieceThreatre, Wolf Hall? There it is again in full 
spectrum, the eternalstruggle of transcendentalism v consequences of 
spiritualignorance... “On what and on whose side are you on? Self-knowledge v 
the TB'er mind of faith-based religion?



Wolf Hall | Programs 
||
||||   Wolf Hall | Programs  Mark Rylance and Damian Lewis 
star in Wolf Hall, based on the books of Hilary Mantel, and premiering on 
MASTERPIECE on PBS Sundays, April...||
|  View on www.pbs.org  |Preview by Yahoo|
||

   





  Watch Online 
||
||||   Watch Online  Watch full episodes, video shorts, 
previews and cast interviews from Masterpiece on PBS, including programs such 
as Downton Abbey and Sherlock.||
|  View on www.pbs.org  |Preview by Yahoo|
||

   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :



  From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 9:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
 


Most of the people here probably went through a true-believer stage, at least 
to some extent, and this probably includes most of those here with whom you 
disagree. So these people can at least understand your position, but the 
important point is a true-believer cannot understand the position of someone 
who is outside that belief. Stable belief keeps the mind in a narrow range of 
options of unreality, for a belief is a substitute for direct experience, it is 
the mind's ossified interpretation of experience. 

In a very real sense, being a True Believer -- in pretty much *anything* -- is 
a form of handicap. TBs are cripples or "impaired persons," in that they lack 
abilities that others around them take for granted. What is worse is that they 
don't *know* that they are crippled.
As Xeno suggest, TBs are unable to understand the position of those who don't 
believe the things they believe. They are so locked into the belief system 
they've bought into that they literally cannot comprehend anyone not believing 
the same thing. So when they encounter someone like that, they react by 
assuming that there is something WRONG with the non-believer. The TB thinking 
is, "There 'must' be something wrong with them, if they don't believe what I 
believe." 

This is, as Xeno suggests, an ossified state of mind. The TB is trapped within 
the prison of his or her own belief system, and unable to grow out of it 
because he/she is unable to even *listen* to other belief systems. TBness often 
*requires* that he/she not even listen, because to do so is to possibly 
entertain doubts, which are considered heretical. 



A belief is simply a thought that one is convinced is true. Evidence is of no 
concern. 

Exactly. What is shocking sometimes on FFL is the number of people who actually 
make claims that they CAN "know" that something is "true" without any evidence 
except their own conviction that it is true. I don't know about you, but when I 
encounter such people it's like encountering someone who stopped growing 
intellectually in kindergarten.

A belief is essentially an opinion, emotionally held so tight it cannot be let 
go of. A belief is a pretence of knowledge. It stands in place of knowledge. 

I agree, especially with your incorporation of the emotional component. Many 
people believe things, but they are not *attached* to those beliefs 
emotionally, so we can't characterize them as TBs. You know you've encountered 
a TB when a criticism of one of his/her beliefs is reacted to as if the critic 
has attacked the TB personally. (This, BTW, is the point that "Buck" is 
actually trying to sell. He wants people to buy into the notion that 
criticizing a person's beliefs is a form of personal attack. It isn't.) 

To get out of the mind trap of belief, one has to see that beliefs are not 
real; this happens if the mind expands enough. 
And probably *only* if the mind expands enough. By this I mean that I've never 
really seen anyone admit that their formerly-held beliefs were not real on the 
basis of newly-presented evidence. It's more as if their minds couldn't even 
*perceive* the evidence -- much less accept it -- until something (usuall

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 

 Just a word about the elephant in the room that the thug apologists have so 
carefully been tiptoeing around: It was never criticism of TM/the TMO/MMY that 
TM supporters found intolerable. It was the relentless vicious and dishonest 
personal attacks, led by Barry, on those TM supporters that finally triggered 
the mass exodus to The Peak. Barry and his gang of thugs know this but are 
doing their best to make it appear otherwise, because the truth is embarrassing.
 

 I see that since she's been gone Judy has developed the same "spotty reading" 
habits she used to deride. She's foolishly attempting to use a tactic I already 
described in a post made only yesterday.  :-)  :-)  :-)

 

 I wonder who these thugs are?
 

 She must have very poor reading comprehension if she thinks that the peaksters 
weren't just using Barry's colourful prose as an excuse to leave.
 

 And I was right, she's much happier here arguing than she would be over there 
having a group hug every morning.
 

 

 

 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413925 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413925?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

Just a word about the elephant in the room that the thug apologists have so 
carefully been tiptoeing around: It was never criticism of TM/the TMO/MMY that 
TM supporters found intolerable. It was the relentless vicious and dishonest 
personal attacks, led by Barry, on those TM supporters that finally triggered 
the mass exodus to The Peak. Barry and his gang of thugs know this but are 
doing their best to make it appear otherwise, because the truth is embarrassing.
I see that since she's been gone Judy has developed the same "spotty reading" 
habits she used to deride. She's foolishly attempting to use a tactic I already 
described in a post made only yesterday.  :-)  :-)  :-)

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413925



  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 One would think, if I were indeed "petty and self-obsessed," I would welcome 
emails from FFLers, and would enjoy seeing people speculate as to why I stopped 
posting. But instead, I'm discouraging both.
 

 Opsie!
 

 And of course I should have learned by now to meekly accept it without 
complaint when thugs post malicious lies about me. Especially when you never 
hear a peep from those very same thugs when someone says something about them 
that's untrue.
 

 Right?
 

 As I said, why I stopped posting had nothing to do with FFL per se. But the 
extreme corruption that had taken over the forum did make it easier to quit 
when that became appropriate. And it's only gotten worse since then.
 

 Just a word about the elephant in the room that the thug apologists have so 
carefully been tiptoeing around: It was never criticism of TM/the TMO/MMY that 
TM supporters found intolerable. It was the relentless vicious and dishonest 
personal attacks, led by Barry, on those TM supporters that finally triggered 
the mass exodus to The Peak. Barry and his gang of thugs know this but are 
doing their best to make it appear otherwise, because the truth is embarrassing.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate 
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a 
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had 
nothing to do with FFL per se.
 

 Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was 
right and you got reincarnated as the same thing!
 

 Actually, that's the most disappointing thing. All this time away, and she's 
still just as petty and self-obsessed as ever. One would have hoped there would 
have been progress of some kind...
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thoughtful conversation seems a willing kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 
'process in disconfirmation'. By contrast a trust in kindness as element has 
been driven out of Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups by a dominant methodical use 
of personal invective in the ad hominem used as weapon to personally hurt 
people here.Collaboration in a type of, Love? In kindness to a creative 
process?Quite evidently thoughtful conversation takes a civil kind 
collaboration in self-control to have productive conversation. Some have done 
their poisonous work here with the communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could 
many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack 
of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing 
now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of 
collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking 
between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long 
interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.The cultural 
place that was FFL seems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died 
for lack of a willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other 
points of view other than some caustic character of dominant internet haters 
and personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups has been 
the loss of a forum for communal thinking.A pervasive unkindness in ad 
hominem-istic snark parading as 'intellectual retort', it's the dominant 
'culture' here at FFL now, as the evident lack in thoughtful community culture 
here. Folks otherwise have come instead to fear to spend their time thinking 
here reading let alone posting here.  It is a sad commentary on how it has gone 
down for FFL. Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people 
they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement 
community.Salon, saloon or shalom; who would enter in to a place met with the 
likes of, “You Suck..” or “Fuck you” as first text lines or “You lying Fuck” as 
a subject heading? MJ, there was a long period of a poisonous malignancy here 
in the postings between a few people who came on before you came along and 
added to it in your way. FFL is just not a safe place for well-meaning people 
to loiter or join in hence most folks wandered out. Meditators and people 
around Fairfield here always go 'whew-phew' and roll their eyes about the 
reputation of FFL as a place for thoughtful dialogue whence FFL gets mentioned. 
FFL got wrecked a while ago as a community place that way. mjackson74 wrote, 
well Buck how do you account for the departure of all the people who used to 
post on FFL in the years before I joined? Looking back at the archives, there 
were a whole bunch of folk who had already dropped out before I came along, so 
the fact that Judy, Anne, Jimmy the Enlightened and Nappy Nabby jumped ship 
does not seem to be that much of a recent trend.Yep, even Rick chooses to post 
substantial material elsewhere now instead of posting to FFL as to just 
shark-feeding for what is left remaining of FFL. A long list of people is now 
gone before us who had once helped further the culture of the list, mostly been 
driven off by an aggressive and appalling unkindness of culture in the ongoing 
personal shark-like attack by the ad hominem that evidently has become endemic 
here; that seeming 'professionals' default to use in their writing method 
instead of simply dealing with material posed. And those same complain about 
originality, thinking and lack of creativity..Nothing to see here folks. Just 
another person trying to blame the fact that he and the people he likes can't 
think of anything intelligent to say on the people they don't like.  :-)Good 
timing, Turqb,Left or driven off?  This as your thinking is fine as intelligent 
retort on one level Anartaxius except, the low post and dwindled active member 
counts may show something else.Looking in on the culture of what is FFL now, is 
it a surprise the numbers have dropped off when there is so much about 
Fairfield or larger spiritual matter being talked about otherwise by others 
actively involved in it? No, it is like the well was poisoned here by 
some.Ironically there is an evident invective that is intolerance to 
conversation here and to divergent idea by a concentration of some few who 
remain active posting here.If could be we are just getting on with our lives. 
Now that most of the TB crazies have left, some of the tart, sharp conversation 
has dwindled, and there are less opportunities for intelligent retorts. I think 
you would have welcomed the change. 'Intelligent retort'?We've not been very 
good at discussion here for some time on FFL and the place as a forum is nearly 
dead.Yep, visiting looking back in on Fairfieldlife at yahoo-groups evidently 
this is mostly a sad inhospitable place rendered down to some pulp substance of 
travelogue, movie reviews and 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Transcendent Activation

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thank Being in evolution for 'tradition' that pulls you along hooked in. When 
people fall away the mercy of nature is that opportunity tries to rediscover. 
It's a mercy. Look back and forward, meditators will be amazing beings that 
will be glorious for the recurring activations that occurs in life. Yes there 
is a difference between bright and dim in a nervous system. It is so hopeful, 
merciful.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Activated alignment of spiritual energy in the subtle system in learning to 
meditate in a tradition can come with mastership -a master line. You betcha. 
The puja with its invocations shifts alignment to a tradition, invoking the 
tradition saying “come here, this is the person”, in grace. In the case of the 
TM puja it is not invoking MMY but back to a tradition. The experience then is 
activated in the subtle body and the soul.  It is an amazing thing to be in the 
middle of.  It is way different by experience than learning from reading a book 
or something.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well yes, activated, that was my clear experience as I was taught to meditate. 
That was not an implant per se. Yes I read the classics and the 
transcendentalists before I learned to properly meditate and experience 
transcendence. Went to Methodist Church Sunday some as a kid growing up to see 
it. Quaker Meeting with my people.   Let us posit 'yes' that some thing gets 
activated whence one transcends for sake of discussion for the moment. It 
clearly did for me when I sat with a geeky guy who did the puja and taught me 
to meditate. It was pretty clear from then. And, broaden for sake of discussion 
to simply learning an effective transcendent meditation then activating some 
things spiritual in people that are fine and okay. Did you listen to that 
interview by Rick of Karunamayi on Batgap.com? ..Okay, not every meditation is 
suited to everyone, it depends on the person but several paths lead in the same 
direction of refinement. But yes, an effective 'transcending' meditation and 
its experience changes things in the subtle bodies of the system. 'Implant' is 
the wrong word or connotation for that activation in the subtle system as 
spirituality in human experience. 'Implant' or 'hook' as signatures are too 
loaded of words. It is not science fiction or medical implant or hook. But yes 
joining a group may place an energetic implant as socio-psychologic hook as 
emotional or mental forms in the system; and some TM'ers, depending on the 
person, may have something of that which could be definable. Obviously depends 
on the person. But that is cultural and different from the activation that 
comes with an effective transcendent experience in the system and the two 
deserve to be sorted out from each other in discussion. It is a fair 
discussion. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Really good observation. 
  Yep, is largely just natural law. A will as large Nature to reveal herself in 
human life. It is a flow in nature to experience itself. In human life that is 
what transcendentalism is and transcendentalists are  about spiritually. 
Everyone will come to see it at least in the end. JaiGuruYou! Activated in the 
energy field of life it is nothing you'll get rid of. Even the 'anti-TM'ers' 
and 'anti-cultists', as you say below.  

 

  "Then, then, then I rose. Then first humanity triumphant passed the crystal 
ports of light, And seized eternal youth. Man, all immortal, hail, hail! 
Heaven, all lavish of strange gifts to man, Thine's all the glory, man's the 
boundless bliss."

 
 

  aryavazhi writes:
 

 I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met some kind of a clearvoyant, 
telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had 
left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of 
things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a 
believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, 
from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. 

 
But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping 
formal TM would make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and 
ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, 
expectations, even in the subconscious.

I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, 
which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could 
feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying 
my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told 
my friend)

But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that 
still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one 
explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny 
they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Pretty danged good movie dance scene mashup

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Nice...I too can appreciate good dancing, since I've always had two left feet 
and no sense of rhythm. I'm a perfect manifestation of the phrase *dances like 
a white boy*.
   From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife  
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:46 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Pretty danged good movie dance scene mashup
   
    I've never been much of a dancer, but I can appreciate good dancing when I 
see it onscreen. So this mashup is really fun to watch. The movies it draws 
from are fairly recent, and thus it doesn't touch on the golden Fred Astaire - 
Gene Kelly days of dancing on film, but it does catch some fun moments. I loved 
that they included an animated Antonio Banderas as Puss In Boots.  

This mashup of famous dance scenes is your new favorite video (video)

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[FairfieldLife] The True Reason why Judy left FFL

[aryavazhi]

[FairfieldLife] The True Reason Why Judy Left FFL

[aryavazhi]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[aryavazhi]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

   Judy Stein, Editor From Beyond The Grave. 

 

 Some things never change.  :-)
 

 

 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 4:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
 
 
   
 aryavazhi wrote, in part:
 

 ...Just remember Judy, not being in contact with the movement at all, having 
had 1 1/2 TM courses in her life,
 

 I don't really know what "1 1/2 TM courses" could mean, but for the record, I 
took the basic TM course, the TM-Sidhis course, the mini-SCI course, a 
self-pulse-reading course, and a couple of dozen residence courses and WPAs 
(some week-long). I've mentioned them all here at one time or another.
 

 refusing to get even advanced techniques because she was afraid of telling her 
mantra aloud,
 

 This is pure made-up malicious bullshit. I have an advanced technique and 
would have gotten more if I'd had the extra cash at the appropriate times.
 

 never having seen Maharishi herself, but playing the game of being the most 
faithful for years,
 

 I haven't played any games here, and I'm obviously "not the most faithful"; I 
have said many times that I loathe the movement and have criticized elements of 
Maharishi's teaching and of his personal life.
 

 until a Robin came, who, with a schizophrenic combination of faithful TMer and 
anti-Hindu cleric,
 

 He wasn't schizophrenic, he was rabidly anti-TM (not sure what "anti-Hindu 
cleric" means).
 

 just blew her away like nothing? And the going on defending Robin and TM?
 

 Robin was the target of many attacks, most of them unfair and many of them 
malicious. As his friend, I defended him. I've done likewise with TM. So what?
 

 And who misses her?
 

 Quite a few, judging by my email.
 

 Those whome she abused most, Buck and Willy, what a show
 

 I've criticized both of them on occasion but nowhere near as often as I have 
some others here (including yourself). I did a search, and Buck has hardly 
mentioned me since I stopped posting. Willytex invokes me frequently, not 
because he misses me but in the hope of annoying those I've criticized in the 
past. BFD.
 

 A fine show of dishonesty and malice, aryavazhi. So spiritual.
 

 Barry and his acolytes can relax, BTW. I have no intention of starting to post 
regularly again. I've peeked in now and then to see what was happening; I 
haven't bothered to correct Barry's lies about me because you all know that's 
just what he does. But you may not know aryavazhi is a liar as well, so I 
thought I should make that clear. If he responds to this, it will almost 
certainly be with more lies.
 

 Judy
 

 P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate 
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a 
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had 
nothing to do with FFL per se.
 


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Dear MJ, Ann sends her regards to you from The_Peak. 

  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/3812 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/3812  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have said so once or twice before when the Peak crowd was still active on 
FFL but if you wanna, go ahead. 
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
 
 
   
 MJ, this takes a lot of courage to do given the climate on FFL and I admire 
that. Contrition maybe, but what of repentance? And the others here now? Your 
acknowledgment though is a good start towards something better here on FFL.   
Would you like that I convey your apology here over to our former communal 
members at The_Peak? I admire your out-front start on this, MJ. Best Regards, 
MJ writing: “Granted many of us here including me sometimes went over the top 
with name calling and if I offended anyone I apologize,” 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I disagree - if for example you are referring to people including me asking 
Jimmy for proof he was enlightened other than his assertion in the face of the 
cussing rants he would go on when challenged or in the face of someone saying 
Marshy was a fraud. In light of his behavior I think such challenges were 
warranted.
 

 Same with common sense challenges to Nabby's assertions that Benjy Creme was 
some sort of a high spiritual guru. I mean come on.
 

 Granted many of us here including me sometimes went over the top with name 
calling and if I offended anyone I apologize, except for the vile things I said 
about Marshy which while harsh were all true. 

 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
 
 
   
 A push back, a kind counter-offensive evidently was in order for all the 
damage being rendered in the reduced scope of communal discussion on our FFL 
community by a character of intolerant writers cutting good people down at 
their knees by employing a methodical crossfire of unkind personal invective as 
weapon against both the TM-TB's and the experiential-based transcendentalist 
members then present on the list.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This larger thread is a larger search for better diversity of thought here on 
Rick's FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups. Anartaxius, whoever you are, in your 
spock-like unfeeling way for this point you go ahead and condone the unkind 
culture of the snark here because you practice it. Lot like that article Geezer 
posted recently about how people can be led into their [cult] beliefs given 
over to a control by their beliefs if they first are led to act on them.. Seems 
you've been led far down a low path here with some others, possibly so far out 
of the light to see your way back up very clearly. An evident consequence of 
this is that the whole communal discussion here suffers for your plight. As 
they say, change happens within, hopefully you and others can make some way in 
your vile meanness for kindness and we may all be better off here. That might 
take some courage on your part to change. -JaiGuruYou 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It looks like somebody posted a false analogy.

According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses 
an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support 
an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due 
to the differences between the two objects.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone 
agrees with you. 


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have no problem with considering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading 
it here, as Rick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous hurtful 
way you and others presenting here have on the discussions here.

Buck, you need to realize that we are dealing with people who think they can 
win a religious debate by spreading a rumor that you are a drunkard. Although 
you may have given up that kind of childish bullying in grade school, some have 
not risen to that level of discourse or social skills. 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL 
anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? 
What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to 
process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there 
to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of 
rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Xeno, I like to think, which probably isn't really thinking (-:that the Age of 
Psychology is succumbing to the Age of Brain Development. Well, that's what I 
call it. 
I'm speculating that each of us "likes," is comfortable with, a certain amount 
of sameness and a certain amount of novelty. My guess is that this has to do 
with brain development.
Tara Goleman, a wise Buddhist, uses a wonderfully humbling analogy of the 
neural pathways being like dirt roads, perhaps too well rutted in certain 
directions.
She encourages with the observation that even one firing of a new set of 
pathways, makes it more likely that the person will go that way again.
I would love to see some intrepid brain scientist take on the human behavior 
encapsulated in the word "intention." Seems such a subtle and rich area for 
investigation.
 From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 8:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    Nicely said. I find the TM teachers I know who are more deeply embedded in 
the movement are very careful about how they express themselves, and often 
cannot come up with satisfactory answers to weird questions because it is not 
in their memory database of Maharishi quotations. Particularly questions that 
come in from angles of other enlightenment systems. They fail the Turing test 
and sound like a machine. The more experienced teachers though do much better 
at this. I admit that devotion as some people seem to practice it is beyond my 
understanding. I feel some people are truly devoted, and others have to mimic 
it because that particular way of relating to the system was reinforced by 
everything Maharishi said. At some point I realised that the peculiarities of 
the movement all came from Maharishi, and there was no independent confirmation 
of those particular attitudes and ideas from other sources. 
If you search through lots of enlightenment traditions you can discover certain 
commonalities but the list is rather short, something on the order of 
quietness, curiosity, and persistence. Barry's recent post concerning the cult 
play book was pretty much spot on. A lot of cult behaviour I think is not 
really conscious as people pick it up without realising what is happening, and 
because it happened to me in more than one system, it has been a little easier 
to spot when I have gone off the rails of rationality. I like to think I was 
lucky in that I had some interesting experiences before I learned TM, and they 
helped guide me away from a lot of nonsense, but I was not completely 
successful in avoiding certain things, especially early on.
I think of enlightenment as a problem to be solved, and there is certain 
information you need and certain things you may have to do, and the trick is to 
find what works for you by learning to discriminate. It is really ironic how 
one can search for freedom and end up in a kind of mental prison, the opposite 
of the goal one sought. Perhaps it is the comfort of a certain mental sameness 
of the people around you that is the driver of the religious mind.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote 
:---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count 


For the sake of there beingmaterial divergent view represented on FFL given the 
hostile climatethat came over FFL I have volunteered here many times the voice 
ofthe tru-believer and for my effort have been heaped on in return withpersonal 
invective... 




Most of the people here probably went through a true-believer stage, at least 
to some extent...




I don't know where we'd be without the clarity of your thinking Xeno.




Interestingly, I had dinner with a few old movement friends the other night and 
we talked for the first time about beliefs and the TMO. I had assumed they were 
well into the movement still but only because we never talk about it, all of us 
having many other interests and I wouldn't care if they were or weren't real 
TBs unless they go on at me about it and they never do so it never came up. 
That should have given it away really as the TBs we've seen here can't help but 
go on about it endlessly like they are trying to convert the world still.




Anyway, my friends were almost as sceptical as me and they all said they had a 
brief fling with true believerism but grew out of it after careful thought and 
checking how the movement worked and the how the long term program resulted in 
quite a few not so impressive cases.




I was surprised but pleased, they shared my distaste for fanatics and agreed 
with my analysis that some of them are desperate for a strong view of reality 
to hold their own inner chaos in check. There has to be a reason some people 
just never get over the first flush 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

turq, may each of us be the dancer colluding with the extraordinary beauty of 
this very moment, a moment so immense that past and future can only and with 
gratitude, fall headlong into it...

  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
    turq, such sumptuous lyrics are exactly what 
leads me to believe that poets and songwriters are, unwittingly perhaps, the 
best, or at least the most fun,  philosophers and spiritual teachers on our 
beloved Gaia. Happy Saturn's Day (-:
And how appropriate given current events on and discussions about Fairfield 
Life. "Some dance to remember, some dance to forget..."  :-)  
 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


salyavin, just to answer your question wrt why people leave FFL. And of course 
only speaking for myself. Because I know you honor the scientific method of 
collecting data, etc. (-:

As you can see, I haven't really left but indeed have become a FFL lurker. 
Horrors! Just can't bring myself to unsubscribe. No doubt, some issue left over 
from childhood yada yada.

Anyway, basically what happened is that I joined some very active Facebook 
groups and I simply chose, in my limited time, to participate with those groups 
rather than with FFL, or the Peak, for that matter.  
Whoops, except here I am participating on FFL. Dare I say, go figure?!All the 
best to everyone...
It's Hotel California Syndrome, Share. You can check out any time you like, but 
you can never leave...  :-)
Here's the song, from the "Hell Freezes Over" tour, recorded live literally the 
first time the band had played together in fourteen years. Now *that* is an 
example of "Whoops...here I am again..."  :-)
Hotel California- The Eagles

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 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 1:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate 
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a 
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had 
nothing to do with FFL per se.
Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was 
right and you got reincarnated as the same thing!
Actually, that's the most disappointing thing. All this time away, and she's 
still just as petty and self-obsessed as ever. One would have hoped there would 
have been progress of some kind...
I was just going to comment on a different thread again that Buck and Willy's 
posts are always identical, like the record is well and truly scratched and 
will repeat forever in some sort of demented closed groove. But I couldn't be 
bothered for fear of falling into the sane trap myself.
Maybe this is why so many people don't post to FFL any more, there's only so 
many times you can read the same thing?
  

 

 

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Things they Believe..

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I have this series, Doug, but haven't gotten around to watching it. I'll 
comment here when I do. Thanks for the reminder...
  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


    
Anybody watching the MasterpieceThreatre, Wolf Hall? There it is again in full 
spectrum, the eternalstruggle of transcendentalism v consequences of 
spiritualignorance... “On what and on whose side are you on? Self-knowledge v 
the TB'er mind of faith-based religion?



Wolf Hall | Programs 
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star in Wolf Hall, based on the books of Hilary Mantel, and premiering on 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :



  From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 9:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
 


Most of the people here probably went through a true-believer stage, at least 
to some extent, and this probably includes most of those here with whom you 
disagree. So these people can at least understand your position, but the 
important point is a true-believer cannot understand the position of someone 
who is outside that belief. Stable belief keeps the mind in a narrow range of 
options of unreality, for a belief is a substitute for direct experience, it is 
the mind's ossified interpretation of experience. 

In a very real sense, being a True Believer -- in pretty much *anything* -- is 
a form of handicap. TBs are cripples or "impaired persons," in that they lack 
abilities that others around them take for granted. What is worse is that they 
don't *know* that they are crippled.
As Xeno suggest, TBs are unable to understand the position of those who don't 
believe the things they believe. They are so locked into the belief system 
they've bought into that they literally cannot comprehend anyone not believing 
the same thing. So when they encounter someone like that, they react by 
assuming that there is something WRONG with the non-believer. The TB thinking 
is, "There 'must' be something wrong with them, if they don't believe what I 
believe." 

This is, as Xeno suggests, an ossified state of mind. The TB is trapped within 
the prison of his or her own belief system, and unable to grow out of it 
because he/she is unable to even *listen* to other belief systems. TBness often 
*requires* that he/she not even listen, because to do so is to possibly 
entertain doubts, which are considered heretical. 



A belief is simply a thought that one is convinced is true. Evidence is of no 
concern. 

Exactly. What is shocking sometimes on FFL is the number of people who actually 
make claims that they CAN "know" that something is "true" without any evidence 
except their own conviction that it is true. I don't know about you, but when I 
encounter such people it's like encountering someone who stopped growing 
intellectually in kindergarten.

A belief is essentially an opinion, emotionally held so tight it cannot be let 
go of. A belief is a pretence of knowledge. It stands in place of knowledge. 

I agree, especially with your incorporation of the emotional component. Many 
people believe things, but they are not *attached* to those beliefs 
emotionally, so we can't characterize them as TBs. You know you've encountered 
a TB when a criticism of one of his/her beliefs is reacted to as if the critic 
has attacked the TB personally. (This, BTW, is the point that "Buck" is 
actually trying to sell. He wants people to buy into the notion that 
criticizing a person's beliefs is a form of personal attack. It isn't.) 

To get out of the mind trap of belief, one has to see that beliefs are not 
real; this happens if the mind expands enough. 
And probably *only* if the mind expands enough. By this I mean that I've never 
really seen anyone admit that their formerly-held beliefs were not real on the 
basis of newly-presented evidence. It's more as if their minds couldn't even 
*perceive* the evidence -- much less accept it -- until something (usually 
time) allowed their minds to grow beyond the confines of the TB prison. Their 
minds have to expand to the point where they can admit the evidence into their 
field of attention before they can actually change on the basis of it.  

Only then can you see how well thought corresponds to experience, to facts, and 
it is an ongoing battle to be able to do this because it is part of the 
structure of human minds to have a certain level of gullibility built in, so 
self-deceptio

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
    turq, such sumptuous lyrics are exactly what 
leads me to believe that poets and songwriters are, unwittingly perhaps, the 
best, or at least the most fun,  philosophers and spiritual teachers on our 
beloved Gaia. Happy Saturn's Day (-:
And how appropriate given current events on and discussions about Fairfield 
Life. "Some dance to remember, some dance to forget..."  :-)  
 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


salyavin, just to answer your question wrt why people leave FFL. And of course 
only speaking for myself. Because I know you honor the scientific method of 
collecting data, etc. (-:

As you can see, I haven't really left but indeed have become a FFL lurker. 
Horrors! Just can't bring myself to unsubscribe. No doubt, some issue left over 
from childhood yada yada.

Anyway, basically what happened is that I joined some very active Facebook 
groups and I simply chose, in my limited time, to participate with those groups 
rather than with FFL, or the Peak, for that matter.  
Whoops, except here I am participating on FFL. Dare I say, go figure?!All the 
best to everyone...
It's Hotel California Syndrome, Share. You can check out any time you like, but 
you can never leave...  :-)
Here's the song, from the "Hell Freezes Over" tour, recorded live literally the 
first time the band had played together in fourteen years. Now *that* is an 
example of "Whoops...here I am again..."  :-)
Hotel California- The Eagles

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 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 1:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate 
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a 
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had 
nothing to do with FFL per se.
Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was 
right and you got reincarnated as the same thing!
Actually, that's the most disappointing thing. All this time away, and she's 
still just as petty and self-obsessed as ever. One would have hoped there would 
have been progress of some kind...
I was just going to comment on a different thread again that Buck and Willy's 
posts are always identical, like the record is well and truly scratched and 
will repeat forever in some sort of demented closed groove. But I couldn't be 
bothered for fear of falling into the sane trap myself.
Maybe this is why so many people don't post to FFL any more, there's only so 
many times you can read the same thing?
  

 

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

turq, such sumptuous lyrics are exactly what leads me to believe that poets and 
songwriters are, unwittingly perhaps, the best, or at least the most fun,  
philosophers and spiritual teachers on our beloved Gaia. Happy Saturn's Day (-:

  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


salyavin, just to answer your question wrt why people leave FFL. And of course 
only speaking for myself. Because I know you honor the scientific method of 
collecting data, etc. (-:

As you can see, I haven't really left but indeed have become a FFL lurker. 
Horrors! Just can't bring myself to unsubscribe. No doubt, some issue left over 
from childhood yada yada.

Anyway, basically what happened is that I joined some very active Facebook 
groups and I simply chose, in my limited time, to participate with those groups 
rather than with FFL, or the Peak, for that matter.  
Whoops, except here I am participating on FFL. Dare I say, go figure?!All the 
best to everyone...
It's Hotel California Syndrome, Share. You can check out any time you like, but 
you can never leave...  :-)
Here's the song, from the "Hell Freezes Over" tour, recorded live literally the 
first time the band had played together in fourteen years. Now *that* is an 
example of "Whoops...here I am again..."  :-)
Hotel California- The Eagles

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 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 1:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate 
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a 
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had 
nothing to do with FFL per se.
Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was 
right and you got reincarnated as the same thing!
Actually, that's the most disappointing thing. All this time away, and she's 
still just as petty and self-obsessed as ever. One would have hoped there would 
have been progress of some kind...
I was just going to comment on a different thread again that Buck and Willy's 
posts are always identical, like the record is well and truly scratched and 
will repeat forever in some sort of demented closed groove. But I couldn't be 
bothered for fear of falling into the sane trap myself.
Maybe this is why so many people don't post to FFL any more, there's only so 
many times you can read the same thing?
  

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


salyavin, just to answer your question wrt why people leave FFL. And of course 
only speaking for myself. Because I know you honor the scientific method of 
collecting data, etc. (-:

As you can see, I haven't really left but indeed have become a FFL lurker. 
Horrors! Just can't bring myself to unsubscribe. No doubt, some issue left over 
from childhood yada yada.

Anyway, basically what happened is that I joined some very active Facebook 
groups and I simply chose, in my limited time, to participate with those groups 
rather than with FFL, or the Peak, for that matter.  
Whoops, except here I am participating on FFL. Dare I say, go figure?!All the 
best to everyone...
It's Hotel California Syndrome, Share. You can check out any time you like, but 
you can never leave...  :-)
Here's the song, from the "Hell Freezes Over" tour, recorded live literally the 
first time the band had played together in fourteen years. Now *that* is an 
example of "Whoops...here I am again..."  :-)
Hotel California- The Eagles

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 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 1:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate 
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a 
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had 
nothing to do with FFL per se.
Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was 
right and you got reincarnated as the same thing!
Actually, that's the most disappointing thing. All this time away, and she's 
still just as petty and self-obsessed as ever. One would have hoped there would 
have been progress of some kind...
I was just going to comment on a different thread again that Buck and Willy's 
posts are always identical, like the record is well and truly scratched and 
will repeat forever in some sort of demented closed groove. But I couldn't be 
bothered for fear of falling into the sane trap myself.
Maybe this is why so many people don't post to FFL any more, there's only so 
many times you can read the same thing?
  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

salyavin, just to answer your question wrt why people leave FFL. And of course 
only speaking for myself. Because I know you honor the scientific method of 
collecting data, etc. (-:

As you can see, I haven't really left but indeed have become a FFL lurker. 
Horrors! Just can't bring myself to unsubscribe. No doubt, some issue left over 
from childhood yada yada.

Anyway, basically what happened is that I joined some very active Facebook 
groups and I simply chose, in my limited time, to participate with those groups 
rather than with FFL, or the Peak, for that matter.  
Whoops, except here I am participating on FFL. Dare I say, go figure?!All the 
best to everyone...
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 1:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

P.S.: Nobody should waste time emailing me; I won't respond. You may speculate 
all you want as to why I stopped posting, but the likelihood of your making a 
correct guess is just about nil, so you might as well not bother. It had 
nothing to do with FFL per se.
Yo Judy! Alive and kicking, that's nice to hear. Unless John's horoscope was 
right and you got reincarnated as the same thing!
Actually, that's the most disappointing thing. All this time away, and she's 
still just as petty and self-obsessed as ever. One would have hoped there would 
have been progress of some kind...
I was just going to comment on a different thread again that Buck and Willy's 
posts are always identical, like the record is well and truly scratched and 
will repeat forever in some sort of demented closed groove. But I couldn't be 
bothered for fear of falling into the sane trap myself.
Maybe this is why so many people don't post to FFL any more, there's only so 
many times you can read the same thing?
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[FairfieldLife] Better than SRV??

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 In my book, this chap emulates Jimi better than SRV, occasionally
 even better than Jimi Himself? Gave me goose bumps; YMMV, of course...
 

 The Sound Of Voodoo Chile Blues By Jimi Hendrix 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHWh_n_JGj0

 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHWh_n_JGj0 
 
 The Sound Of Voodoo Chile Blues By Jimi Hendrix 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHWh_n_JGj0 Jimi's Influence Course: 
http://texasbluesalley.com/jimi Gear used in this video: http://txba.ly/v7ep In 
this lesson we'll look at the song Voodoo Chi...
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHWh_n_JGj0 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Pretty danged good movie dance scene mashup

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


    I've never been much of a dancer, but I can appreciate good dancing when I 
see it onscreen. So this mashup is really fun to watch. The movies it draws 
from are fairly recent, and thus it doesn't touch on the golden Fred Astaire - 
Gene Kelly days of dancing on film, but it does catch some fun moments. I loved 
that they included an animated Antonio Banderas as Puss In Boots.  

This mashup of famous dance scenes is your new favorite video (video)

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For those few who might get into the fun of watching this, here are the actual 
movies used, from the original YouTube version of this clip:0:04 Silver Linings 
Playbook
0:06 Reality Bites
0:08 Something Borrowed
0:12 Love Actually
0:15 Charlie's Angels
0:17 Dirty Dancing
0:20 Big
0:23 Reservoir Dogs
0:25 American Beauty
0:27 Happy Feet 2
0:29 13 going on 30
0:31 Slumdog Millionaire
0:33 Save the Last Dance
0:37 Alice in Wonderland
0:40 Kick-Ass
0:42 Pulp Fiction
0:44 (500) Days of Summer
0:46 Flashdance
0:48 This Is the End
0:51 Grease
0:53 Intouchables (French movie)
0:57 Tangled
1:00 The Replacements
1:02 Pride (UK movie)
1:05 Blue Valentine
1:07 The Wolf of Wall Street
1:10 Grind
1:11 Ted
1:13 Beetlejuice
1:14 American Pie
1:16 Blast from the Past
1:17 King of New York
1:19 Clerks II
1:21 The Mask
1:23 Mamma Mia!
1:25 New Year's Eve
1:27 The Proposal
1:29 American Pie: The Wedding
1:30 Footloose
1:32 Magic Mike
1:34 Get Smart
1:36 West Side Story
1:38 Ferris Bueller's Day Off
1:39 Scary Movie
1:41 The 40 Year Old Virgin
1:44 Hitch
1:47 Risky Business
1:49 The Breakfast Club
1:53 Penguins of Madagascar
1:55 Mermaids
1:57 Nothing to Lose
2:01 Billy Elliot
2:04 Shall We Dance
2:06 Hairspray
2:08 Napoleon Dynamite
2:10 Puss in Boots
2:12 She's All That
2:14 The Heat
2:16 Rush Hour
2:19 West Side Story 
2:21 A Night at the Roxbury
2:23 Burn after Reading
2:25 Step Up
2:27 Dirty Dancing
2:28 The Sound of Music
2:30 Silver Linings Playbook
2:32 The Ugly Truth
2:35 Scent of a Woman
2:38 Beauty and the Beast
2:40 Pretty in Pink
2:42 Grease
2:43 The Perks of Being a Wallflower
2:45 Along came Polly
2:47 White Nights
2:49 Cry Baby
2:51 Tropic Thunder
2:53 The Blues Brothers
2:55 Mary Poppins
2:57 Footloose (2011)
2:59 Friends with Benefits
3:00 The Sweetest Thing
3:02 Coyote Ugly
3:04 Saturday Night Fever
3:06 Center Stage
3:08 Rock of Ages
3:10 Little Miss Sunshine
3:12 Disaster Movie
3:14 Bring it on

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[FairfieldLife] Things they Believe..

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Anybody watching the Masterpiece Threatre, Wolf Hall? There it is again in full 
spectrum, the eternal struggle of transcendentalism v consequences of spiritual 
ignorance... “On what and on whose side are you on? Self-knowledge v the TB'er 
mind of faith-based religion? Wolf Hall | Programs 
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/wolf-hall/ 
 
 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/wolf-hall/ 
 
 Wolf Hall | Programs http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/wolf-hall/ 
Mark Rylance and Damian Lewis star in Wolf Hall, based on the books of Hilary 
Mantel, and premiering on MASTERPIECE on PBS Sundays, April...
 
 
 
 View on www.pbs.org http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/wolf-hall/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 
   Watch Online http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/watch-online/ 
 
 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/watch-online/ 
 
 Watch Online http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/watch-online/ Watch full 
episodes, video shorts, previews and cast interviews from Masterpiece on PBS, 
including programs such as Downton Abbey and Sherlock.
 
 
 
 View on www.pbs.org http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/watch-online/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 

 From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 9:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
 
 
 


 Most of the people here probably went through a true-believer stage, at least 
to some extent, and this probably includes most of those here with whom you 
disagree. So these people can at least understand your position, but the 
important point is a true-believer cannot understand the position of someone 
who is outside that belief. Stable belief keeps the mind in a narrow range of 
options of unreality, for a belief is a substitute for direct experience, it is 
the mind's ossified interpretation of experience. 

 

 In a very real sense, being a True Believer -- in pretty much *anything* -- is 
a form of handicap. TBs are cripples or "impaired persons," in that they lack 
abilities that others around them take for granted. What is worse is that they 
don't *know* that they are crippled.
 

 As Xeno suggest, TBs are unable to understand the position of those who don't 
believe the things they believe. They are so locked into the belief system 
they've bought into that they literally cannot comprehend anyone not believing 
the same thing. So when they encounter someone like that, they react by 
assuming that there is something WRONG with the non-believer. The TB thinking 
is, "There 'must' be something wrong with them, if they don't believe what I 
believe." 

 

 This is, as Xeno suggests, an ossified state of mind. The TB is trapped within 
the prison of his or her own belief system, and unable to grow out of it 
because he/she is unable to even *listen* to other belief systems. TBness often 
*requires* that he/she not even listen, because to do so is to possibly 
entertain doubts, which are considered heretical. 

 

 A belief is simply a thought that one is convinced is true. Evidence is of no 
concern. 

 

 Exactly. What is shocking sometimes on FFL is the number of people who 
actually make claims that they CAN "know" that something is "true" without any 
evidence except their own conviction that it is true. I don't know about you, 
but when I encounter such people it's like encountering someone who stopped 
growing intellectually in kindergarten.

 

 A belief is essentially an opinion, emotionally held so tight it cannot be let 
go of. A belief is a pretence of knowledge. It stands in place of knowledge. 

 

 I agree, especially with your incorporation of the emotional component. Many 
people believe things, but they are not *attached* to those beliefs 
emotionally, so we can't characterize them as TBs. You know you've encountered 
a TB when a criticism of one of his/her beliefs is reacted to as if the critic 
has attacked the TB personally. (This, BTW, is the point that "Buck" is 
actually trying to sell. He wants people to buy into the notion that 
criticizing a person's beliefs is a form of personal attack. It isn't.) 

 

 To get out of the mind trap of belief, one has to see that beliefs are not 
real; this happens if the mind expands enough. 
 

 And probably *only* if the mind expands enough. By this I mean that I've never 
really seen anyone admit that their formerly-held beliefs were not real on the 
basis of newly-presented evidence. It's more as if their minds couldn't even 
*perceive* the evidence -- much less accept it -- until something (usually 
time) allowed their minds to grow beyond the confines of the TB prison. Their 
minds have to expand to the point where they can admit the evidence into their 
field of attention before they can actually change on the basis of it.  

 

 Only then can you see how well thought corresponds to experience, to fa

[FairfieldLife] Pretty danged good movie dance scene mashup

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I've never been much of a dancer, but I can appreciate good dancing when I see 
it onscreen. So this mashup is really fun to watch. The movies it draws from 
are fairly recent, and thus it doesn't touch on the golden Fred Astaire - Gene 
Kelly days of dancing on film, but it does catch some fun moments. I loved that 
they included an animated Antonio Banderas as Puss In Boots.  

This mashup of famous dance scenes is your new favorite video (video)

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| This mashup of famous dance scenes is your new favorite ...Where else can you 
see Beauty and the Beast, Magic Mike, and Cameron Diaz all in one place? |
|  |
| View on theberry.com | Preview by Yahoo |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You've been contributing some good stuff here lately, Xeno, but I have had 
neither the time nor the inclination to comment on it. This morning, as it 
turns out, I have both...

  From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 9:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
   


Most of the people here probably went through a true-believer stage, at least 
to some extent, and this probably includes most of those here with whom you 
disagree. So these people can at least understand your position, but the 
important point is a true-believer cannot understand the position of someone 
who is outside that belief. Stable belief keeps the mind in a narrow range of 
options of unreality, for a belief is a substitute for direct experience, it is 
the mind's ossified interpretation of experience. 

In a very real sense, being a True Believer -- in pretty much *anything* -- is 
a form of handicap. TBs are cripples or "impaired persons," in that they lack 
abilities that others around them take for granted. What is worse is that they 
don't *know* that they are crippled.
As Xeno suggest, TBs are unable to understand the position of those who don't 
believe the things they believe. They are so locked into the belief system 
they've bought into that they literally cannot comprehend anyone not believing 
the same thing. So when they encounter someone like that, they react by 
assuming that there is something WRONG with the non-believer. The TB thinking 
is, "There 'must' be something wrong with them, if they don't believe what I 
believe." 

This is, as Xeno suggests, an ossified state of mind. The TB is trapped within 
the prison of his or her own belief system, and unable to grow out of it 
because he/she is unable to even *listen* to other belief systems. TBness often 
*requires* that he/she not even listen, because to do so is to possibly 
entertain doubts, which are considered heretical. 

 
A belief is simply a thought that one is convinced is true. Evidence is of no 
concern. 

Exactly. What is shocking sometimes on FFL is the number of people who actually 
make claims that they CAN "know" that something is "true" without any evidence 
except their own conviction that it is true. I don't know about you, but when I 
encounter such people it's like encountering someone who stopped growing 
intellectually in kindergarten.

 A belief is essentially an opinion, emotionally held so tight it cannot be let 
go of. A belief is a pretence of knowledge. It stands in place of knowledge. 

I agree, especially with your incorporation of the emotional component. Many 
people believe things, but they are not *attached* to those beliefs 
emotionally, so we can't characterize them as TBs. You know you've encountered 
a TB when a criticism of one of his/her beliefs is reacted to as if the critic 
has attacked the TB personally. (This, BTW, is the point that "Buck" is 
actually trying to sell. He wants people to buy into the notion that 
criticizing a person's beliefs is a form of personal attack. It isn't.) 

 To get out of the mind trap of belief, one has to see that beliefs are not 
real; this happens if the mind expands enough. 
And probably *only* if the mind expands enough. By this I mean that I've never 
really seen anyone admit that their formerly-held beliefs were not real on the 
basis of newly-presented evidence. It's more as if their minds couldn't even 
*perceive* the evidence -- much less accept it -- until something (usually 
time) allowed their minds to grow beyond the confines of the TB prison. Their 
minds have to expand to the point where they can admit the evidence into their 
field of attention before they can actually change on the basis of it.  

Only then can you see how well thought corresponds to experience, to facts, and 
it is an ongoing battle to be able to do this because it is part of the 
structure of human minds to have a certain level of gullibility built in, so 
self-deception is always around the corner.





Once a person has managed to off-load various sets of beliefs, to them people 
whose minds are fixed in a small range of ideas which they cannot let go of 
appear basically as idiots. 

Or maybe just pitiable. For example, I may have considered TBs like JR or Jim 
or Nabby to be idiots because their *thinking processes* were so feeble as to 
be classed as idiotic. But TBs like Judy weren't idiots, per se, just crippled. 
On a *technical* level their minds still worked; they just weren't able to use 
those minds to think outside the prison of their True Belief box.

 Up to a point there is a certain amount of compassion for such a person 
because most of us were in that vice ourselves, but if someone is so impacted 
by belief that they never budge, such a one is an unforgivable idiot, having 
turned their back on expansion of mind and experience in favour of a mental