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[FairfieldLife] Re: Man is a being of light??

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Is it a coincidence that the Hebrew word for light, namely or, is almost like
 Sanskrit om?
 

 http://www.mechon-mamre.org/mp3/t0101.mp3 
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/mp3/t0101.mp3

 

 0:30 ->
 

 vayomer (and said) elohim (God[s]): yehi (let there be) or (light), vaihi (and 
there was) or (light).
 

[FairfieldLife] Man is a being of light??

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 http://www.viewzone.com/dnax.html http://www.viewzone.com/dnax.html

 

 FWIW: samaana-jayaaj jvalanam!   (Google: samanajayaj jvalanam)
 

[FairfieldLife] Trump Beats Up CNN

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

in his tweet today.  Is this the new political ploy that the POTUS is using for 
the Internet Age?  If successful, Trump may have started a new phase in 
American history.  Serious or not, I thought it was hilarious.
 

 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tweets-video-slamming-punching-cnn-145733032.html
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tweets-video-slamming-punching-cnn-145733032.html

[FairfieldLife] ‘Night of Laughter & Song’ at Kennedy Center

[email4you mikemail4...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

http://wtop.com/entertainment/2017/06/videos-seinfeld-leno-headline-a-night-of-laughter-song-at-kennedy-center/slide/1/Jerry
 Seinfeld, Jay Leno, Hugh Jackman and Katie Couric were among the celebrities 
at the Kennedy Center's "Night of Laughter & Song" event to benefit the David 
Lynch Foundation.

[FairfieldLife] Consciousness and Indian music!

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 “Consciousness depends on harmonic vibrations located in microtubules inside 
neurons, much like certain types of Indian music, but not like music from the 
western culture.”

 

 Read more:
 

 
http://themindunleashed.com/2017/07/quantum-vibrations-brain-consciousness.html 
http://themindunleashed.com/2017/07/quantum-vibrations-brain-consciousness.html

 

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: My Hometown Is Gone.

[William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife]]

The assumptions here delineated are JUST OVER over 75 % correct I note ! for 
further unclassified details email mein respect & more can then follow! Col RET 
lEED



-Original Message-
From: Tom Atwood 
To: rcarrington ; lmc3 ; jahodges 
; Everett15 ; dftwyman ; 
marco.boyce ; rwball ; tgh6 
; Egurry ; kim.fourman 
; wleed3 ; bgil7007 

Sent: Sat, Jul 1, 2017 8:13 pm
Subject: Re: My Hometown Is Gone.



The CPS worker who investigated me was Muslim.
So let me just summarize: the social worker at the school is Muslim, the 
administrator who ok’s homeschooling is Muslim, the CPS worker is Muslim, the 
nurse practitioner at the ER is Muslim, the doctor at the ER is Muslim. These 
are positions of authority that wield a lot of power.
Are you starting to get the picture?


Yeah!   The picture is that we've avoided public spending on education for 
years, so that now more and more key jobs now are necessarily going to people 
who come from outside the US.


But, of course, it's a win-win situation.  The politicians who won elections by 
reducing education spending can now win more elections by being outraged at the 
number of Muslims and other foreigners who are in those key jobs.  And people 
do go right on voting for those clowns!  


Tom










-Original Message-
From: rcarrington 
To: Logan M Cheek III ; jahodges ; Keith Alan 
Everett ; David F. Twyman ; Marco Boyce, 
RLA, ASLA ; rwball ; tgh6 
; Emily Cheek Gurry RN ; Kimberly 
G. and Brian Fourman ; George Thomas Atwood Ph. D. 
; wleed3 ; bgil7007 
Sent: Sat, Jul 1, 2017 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: My Hometown Is Gone.




Sad intolerant person... assumes the worst of people who aren’t of her old 
Catholic background. They just must be up to no good 
So let me just summarize: the social worker at the school is Muslim, the 
administrator who ok’s homeschooling is Muslim, the CPS worker is Muslim, the 
nurse practitioner at the ER is Muslim, the doctor at the ER is Muslim. These 
are positions of authority that wield a lot of power. Are you starting to get 
the picture?

 

From: Logan M Cheek III 
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 12:04 PM
To: jahod...@aol.com ; Keith Alan Everett ; David F. Twyman ; Marco Boyce, RLA, 
ASLA ; rwb...@earthlink.net ; t...@frontiernet.net ; Emily Cheek Gurry RN ; 
Kimberly G. and Brian Fourman ; George Thomas Atwood Ph. D. ; Robert Andrew 
Salamida ; wle...@aol.com ; Rick Carrington ; bgil7...@verizon.net 
Subject: My Hometown Is Gone.

 

Interesting blog from a Cornell alum, forwarded from a cousin of mine in 
Cincinnati.

http://thermidormag.com/my-hometown-is-gone/

Don't think she acquired this mentality from her days on the Hill.

Logan 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charismatic Spiritual

['My Enlightenment Delusion' myenlightenmentdelus...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Wow! There are so many books! I was unaware of Prophetic Charisma.

I wrote My Enlightenment Delusion from my TM experience and from my conjecture 
without having done much research. Prophetic Charisma by Len Oakes seems to 
agree with what I wrote about “guru maniacs”.

The following quote is from https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/pdf/113-71-73.pdf: 
“To the extent that prophets are mentally ill, Oakes believes narcissism to be 
one cause. Narcissism places the prophet at the center of a world that exists 
for the prophet's pleasure. This unusual, self-focused world promotes insanity 
It also demands a high degree of creativity Hence, Oakes agrees with Lany 
Foster, a Mormon historian, that Joseph Smith suffered from manic depression, 
which contributed to Smith's high degree of creativity.”

>From my book: “I am using the phrase “guru maniac” to describe a person who 
>along with having delusions of grandiosity during a kundalini crisis also 
>happens to have the charisma, the gift of gab, and the ability to carry out a 
>tactical strategy to attract followers. Most guru maniacs have an uncommon 
>intellectual ability which they use to impress potential followers.

The phrase “spiritual maniac” describes a person who is different from a guru 
maniac. A spiritual maniac has delusions of grandiosity related to a kundalini 
crisis, but doesn’t have the necessary traits mentioned above to become a guru. 

A spiritual maniac is more likely to end up in a mental hospital whereas a guru 
maniac can talk themselves out of just about any predicament. 

I did not possess the charisma or eloquence to become a guru maniac, but even I 
flirted with the possibility of becoming a guru when I had my kundalini crisis. 
That is the manic symptom of over-self-confidence.

Since the guru maniac has the lexicon of spiritual literature, he likely sees 
his kundalini crisis as being a legitimate higher state of consciousness. 
Thinking that one is enlightened is grandiose thinking.

A guru maniac has the ability to master the enormous quantity of intellectual 
blather that has accumulated in religions and yogic traditions over centuries. 
Being able to speak about the mishmash of ancient wisdom allows a guru maniac 
to speak with credibility and authority.

Whereas most psychotic maniacs may have friends, family, and medical doctors 
letting the maniac know that they are delusional, guru maniacs probably do not 
have anyone telling them they are delusional. 

Instead the followers of a guru maniac legitimatize the grandiosity that the 
guru maniac sees in himself. And the guru maniac sees his grandiose self-esteem 
validated through his own interpretations of spiritual literature. 

If a guru maniac could see that his thoughts were grandiose delusions, he would 
lose his towering self-worth, but a guru maniac is unlikely to recognize his 
own delusions.

As time passes, guru maniacs adapt physiologically and mentally to their 
kundalini crisis. They are able to have one foot in their grandiose delusion 
and one foot in the world shared with other people. 

Guru maniacs learn to keep some of their delusions to themselves in order to 
keep themselves presentable to followers. Guru maniacs walk the line between 
hiding their innermost thoughts and sharing their grandiose ideas about 
themselves. 

It is easy to understand how guru maniacs enjoy having followers who not only 
adore them, but are also willing to serve them. Having followers must be the 
ultimate pick-me-up. Guru maniacs eat up the attention and the power of having 
followers.

Like celebrities and powerful people, guru maniacs have often abused followers 
related to money, sex, and power. Abuse from guru maniacs is particularly 
maddening because guru maniacs espouse spiritual principles that are supposed 
to aid moral living. 

I propose that after a guru maniac easily receives respect, admiration, and 
service from followers, the guru maniac can lose his moral compass. The guru 
maniac starts to think that he can do anything. 

Are all founders of religions and spiritual movements guru maniacs?

It would seem to have gall to share original ideas on spiritual matters. Almost 
by definition, spiritual matters are beyond perception and comprehension, but 
even so, some people come along to declare things as facts concerning the 
previously unknowable realm.

Founding or changing a religion would take a real gutsy person, or if not a 
gutsy person, a person in the midst of a manic episode with delusions.

A founder of a religion would have to speak with great authority, intensity, 
and persuasiveness in order to get followers, and these happen to be the 
qualities of a guru maniac. When under the influence of mania, a guru maniac 
thinks he can do anything, and with his charisma, he can do amazing things. 

When I hear about either ancient or modern people who have spiritual visions or 
who hear from God, I think they had a grandiose delusion from a kundalini 

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Conscionable, in TM?

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

e-mail,
 The way to address ethics is not to talk ethics. The way to address ethics is 
to address management (cultivated upbringing and as personal self-discipline). 
Management and ethics go together. When you handle one, you handle the other. 
So I don't preach, I focus on mgmt. Poor ethics goes along w poor mgmt, and 
when mgmt improves, the energy field is uplifted and ethics improve. 

 

 Thx, the development of the Polyvagal nervous system (physical representation 
of empathy and  compassion); appears to be (or can be) somewhat independent of 
the states of Consciousness mentioned by MMY.
 Thus, it does not necessarily follow that a person in (CC, UC) is well 
developed in regard to empathy, compassion, and free from Narcissistic 
tendencies.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Spirituality and the ‘Behavioral Axis’..

 FW: a narrative:

 “People in the meditating community are not by any means fully developed, I 
see dysfunctional, disrespectful behavior often in and out of the Dome. I see 
people having a lot of experience of CC (cosmic consciousness) who often do not 
behave like saints. I know of one man who says he went into CC in high school 
and is now full of GC, UC and BC experience and often reports them to IAA 
anonymously. I asked an employee of his what it was like to work for him. The 
employee said, "It's all about him." and “That saint does not know how to treat 
employees / people”. My spouse is a friend of the  wife, and told me that the 
saint's wife said more or less the same thing about living with him. 

 Higher states of consciousness, and being on the path of them, is not all 
there is to sainthood or life. That's one thing that has become clear esp in 
the past years. There is the behavioral axis also. Ultimately, all is one, but 
in practice, these often need to be treated as two.  Otherwise, one ends in the 
mood-making soup. Administration needs to be skilled, and ‘sainthood’ 
appreciated and guided. “
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
..
 
 Despite their zeal, in perversity they perish. 
 Om how humankind blame the Divine Pitrs.  
 From us they say comes evil, 
 but through their own perversity are more than is their due 
 they meet with sorrow.
 Forewarned, for vengeance follows.

 The opening council, Paraphrasing, 
 -Homer, The Odyssey   

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitrs
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Communal Scruples? Asking around, apparently some individuals have been 
ejected from the movement community as sexual predators, copping conning 
abusing while using jyotish, or bullying a spiritual status on their victims. 
 Some number of years ago a flamboyant guy who infamously was preying on MSAE 
age girls was threatened with arrest by a father then who was an attorney and 
the guy subsequently left Fairfield.  
 Evidently more recently some guy who had been on Purusha was using jyotish and 
spiritual specialness to sexually predate young women and also conning money, 
the guy evidently was evicted from Utopia Park and kicked off campus. 
 Another longtime predator preying by specialness and general nuisance of the 
meditating community was purposely separated from the movement some long time 
ago is still separated and about.  
In more recent times a warning went out by e-mail around the meditating 
community about someone returning to town who had fleeced by con some lot of 
money from people in investment scams.   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Would be, communal norms..

 Yifuxero writes:

 The definition of unconscionable = doing something you know to be wrong?  
Doesn't make sense.  ISIS killers are performing A-dharmic acts that they 
believe are right. Belief or unbelief in an action doesn't dictate the degree 
of Conscionable-ness.

 Conscionable = Dharmic?
 I'm still trying to figure out how/where King Tony became rich enough to 
purchase a beach-front property in FL.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Evidently there are some communal scruples that can operate along the lines of 
the Golden Rule as members generally may become adversely affected by some 
criminally asocial behaviors inside or around the TM community. Though the 
processes may not necessarily appear transparent.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Conscionable ..
 Is there anything that is unconscionable, in TM?
 “Not right or reasonable”
 “Unreasonably excessive”
 https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/unconscionable
 M would advise us, “Never do that which you know to be wrong”.
 

 Are there things Reprehensible, in TM?
 Synonyms for Reprehensible:
 deplorable 
https://www.google.com/search?espv=2=1082=462=define+deplorable=deplorable=X=0ahUKEwj3uI6W1NPRAhUL0oMKHXGBBvwQ_SoIHDAA,
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Profile on Bob Roth in today's (6/30/17) Wall St. Journal

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This is a remarkable ‘comeback story’ in cultural relevance for ™.  Some few 
savvy and capable old field ™ teachers along with Bobby Roth heading out to 
make ™ relevant again. Like some very few teachers in the later 1960’s fanning 
out to present and teach ™ around the country then. After some focused work and 
fruitful fortune meditating came to be right in the middle of things then. 
Bobby Roth and some of the people around him are remarkable beings in their 
vision and capacities in life this way.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 https://www.wsj.com/articles/ transcendental-meditation-for- 
everyone-1498842465 
https://www.wsj.com/articles/transcendental-meditation-for-everyone-1498842465
Transcendental Meditation for Everyone
Bob Roth, chief executive of the David Lynch Foundation, teaches transcendental 
meditation to a range of students, from elementary-school children to CEOs
Photo: Chris Sorensen for The Wall Street Journal

 https://www.wsj.com/articles/transcendental-meditation-for-everyone-1498842465
By
Alexandra Wolfe
June 30, 2017 1:07 p.m. ET
 
Bob Roth knows his field sounds a little like “woowoo” spirituality, as he 
says. But as a teacher of transcendental meditation, he now works with a 
wide-ranging clientele that includes celebrities such as Katy Perry and Jerry 
Seinfeld, hedge-fund managers, inner-city students, prisoners and veterans. He 
has the same goal for everyone: to teach them the virtues of T.M., as it’s 
called—a practice that involves silently reciting a mantra over and over for 15 
to 20 minutes twice a day.


 Proponents say that the practice reduces stress and raises self-awareness. 
Bridgewater founder and co-chairman Ray Dalio, a student of Mr. Roth’s for more 
than a decade and a donor to the foundation, is a believer. The practice has 
been “integral to whatever success I’ve had in life,” he says. “It makes one 
feel like…a ninja in a movie, like you’re doing everything calmly and in slow 
motion.”


 Mr. Roth, 66, is chief executive of the David Lynch Foundation, a nonprofit he 
co-founded with the film director in 2005 that is dedicated to teaching 
transcendental meditation, particularly to at-risk populations, “to improve 
their health, cognitive capabilities and performance in life,” as the 
foundation’s website says. Some of its funds come from teaching courses to 
companies and individuals; a four-day training course costs up to $960 a 
person. The foundation has 60 employees in the U.S. as well as partners in 35 
countries.


 In early June, Mr. Roth opened the nonprofit’s first office in Washington, 
D.C., where he says he is currently teaching a dozen members of Congress. His 
organization has also been participating in studies in prisons recently. In a 
study published last year 
http://www.thepermanentejournal.org/issues/search/results/43-the-permanente-journal/original-research-and-contributions/6227-reduced-trauma-symptoms-and-perceived-stress-in-male-prison-inmates-through-the-transcendental-meditation-program-a-randomized-controlled-trial.html
 in the Permanente Journal, 181 male inmates at the Oregon State Correctional 
Institute and the Oregon State Penitentiary in Salem either took a 
transcendental meditation program through the foundation or did nothing outside 
their usual routine. The researchers found greater reductions in anxiety, 
depression and trauma symptoms in the group that had taken meditation.


 Mr. Roth finds an analogy in the sea. “The ocean can be active and turbulent 
on the surface, sometimes with tsunami-like 30-foot waves, but is, by its 
nature, silent at its depth,” he says. “The surface of the mind is the active, 
noisy, thinking mind—often racing, noisy, hyperactive, turbulent. But like the 
ocean, the mind of everyone is quiet, calm, silent at its depth.”


 T.M. was developed in India by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, a physicist turned 
meditation teacher, in the 1950s; it gained popularity in the 1960s when he 
worked with the Beatles and other celebrities.


 The son of a doctor and a teacher, Mr. Roth dreamed of being a senator when he 
was young. He started meditating in college at the University of California, 
Berkeley, after a friend suggested it as a way to relax amid the student riots 
on campus.


 He was skeptical at first but soon became hooked. After he graduated in 1972, 
he started teaching meditation to children in inner-city schools in San 
Francisco. A few years later, he traveled to Europe to study under Maharishi 
Mahesh Yogi before returning to California to continue teaching over the next 
decade. In 1982, he moved to Washington, D.C., where he eventually met Mr. 
Lynch, the director of “Blue Velvet” and “Twin Peaks,” who had taken up the 
practice in the 1970s. “If you are a human being, [transcendental meditation] 
works,” says Mr. Lynch.


 Contrary to what you might expect for a meditation teacher, Mr. Roth often 
wears a suit with a crisp white shirt. (More 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Statistical Truth, The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to Meditation!

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Good to see that in the end you have reconciled all this skepticism of the 
published science of meditation in meditation. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Comments below in text.


 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:39 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Statistical Truth, The Call to Spiritual 
Order,Rally Now to Meditation!

 
   

 People ‘claim’ things like:
  
 One: “..the movement's confirmation-bias tainted research”.
  
 Confirmation-bias may be a fault of some of the earlier research but evidently 
not of the replicating studies done in more recent times. That there might have 
been some confirmation bias in some of the research does not invalidate all the 
science published on meditating. There is a lot of discussion and rebuttal 
about this for open minds to consider at TruthaboutTM.org
 

 TruthaboutTM.org is a die hard TM site by David Orme-Johnson. It is not in any 
way scientifically neutral. Anyone who strongly believes that what Maharishi 
says is true will have a hard time constructing research that is neutral.
 

 If you take the position that everything Maharishi said is false, that too 
would likely create a situation that would taint research, although if you 
really try to prove some hypothesis false and it survives all those tests, the 
hypothesis will be in a much better position to be accepted.
 

 Social research with large groups is notoriously hard to control properly.
  
 Two: “..Maharishi did not even really know if this coherence effect would 
really work, as it seemed to be based on a rather loose association of a 
statement by Patanjali with a coherence effect in physics.”
  
The process of science includes taking observation, making hypothesis about 
observations and then testing the hypothesis. Maharishi was at that the whole 
time in process from very early on when he left India to go out and teach 
meditation until his final days. Throughout his long career he would use the 
large facility of the ™ movement to advance science by this process of from 
observation making, to hypothesis and testing it. This was large thinking of an 
inquiring mind.  
 The disgruntled and disaffected may feel and gripe otherwise about him for 
their own reasons but what he did in persistence at advancing broadly the 
science on meditation in the last half of the 20th Century and into the 21St 
Century was monumental in its developmental way.
 

 But how you test the hypothesis is the key. That is the brain buster. You not 
only have to test ways that might show it is right, but also test in ways that 
would show it is wrong. 
 

 The ME effect has not been tested this way. 
 

 One of the problems is non-movement scientists are not horribly interested in 
this research, as they would likely be more likely to attack both the 
philosophical explanation and discover experimental flaws in the experimental 
design.
 

 David Orme-Johnson has resisted all attempts by other scientists to get access 
his raw data for the ME. He is retired now, so of course, not actively pursuing 
any of this with new research.
 

 One thing that would need to be explained is why MUM seems to be doing so 
poorly while being the center of the alleged positive effects in question. As a 
university it is a decaying shell of its glory days.
 

 Hypothetically the movement explains the Maharishi Effect as a unified field 
effect, yet there is no accepted unified field theory in science yet.
 

 There are many candidates, but none have any experimental evidence to confirm 
or deny them except those theories that predict the decay of the proton. 
 

 Experiments have shown no proton decay, which makes Hagelin's flipped SU5 
theory unlikely to be true as it predicts proton decay. 
 

 The movement science overlooks other possible explanations that are not 
unified field based, such as a magnetic effect, an electromagnetic effect, a 
chemical effect, social-behavioral effects, and even, there is no effect. 
 

 Scientific explanations do not start with explanations based on what we have 
not yet figured out or discovered to be likely true, but on explanations that 
are currently accepted and then the discoveries grow out from that.
 

 Saying the Maharishi effect is unified field based means scientists have 
nothing to test so it provides no theoretical way to understand the theory.
 

 My own experience is there is something going on in those groups, but it could 
well be the explanation is not what we are being told. 
 

 It could even be just credulity or gullibility, but this could not be the 
entire explanation as there are group effects in any group. It is just figuring 
out what they are.
 

 There are many kinds of social phenomena where groups with a common belief get 
together and act more or less like an organic whole, not all positive. Riots 
for 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charismatic Spiritual

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Shakti, 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "In using charisma to explain social change and heroic leaders, Weber did not 
intend merely to invent a dry academic term. Rather, he saw charisma as 
representing the incarnate life force itself, "the thrust of the sap in the 
tree and the blood in the veins," an elemental or daemonic power (Dow 1978)."  
-Prophetic Charisma.. Intro.
 

 

 Book Review:
 Prophetic Charisma: A Psychological Explanation for the Castaneda Phenomenon 
http://sustainedaction.org/Explorations/prophetic_charisma_psychological_explanation%20part1.htm
 
 
 
http://sustainedaction.org/Explorations/prophetic_charisma_psychological_explanation%20part1.htm
 
 Prophetic Charisma: A Psychological Explanation f... 
http://sustainedaction.org/Explorations/prophetic_charisma_psychological_explanation%20part1.htm
 Prophetic Charisma: A Psychological Explanation for the 'Castaneda Phenomenon' 
Introduction by Corey Donovan


 
 View on sustainedaction.org 
http://sustainedaction.org/Explorations/prophetic_charisma_psychological_explanation%20part1.htm
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What of charisma, spiritually? 
  Where is TM with charisma?
 Evidently it would seem that TM's charisma is now "dispersed and routinized, 
..and not necessarily as great a force for social change,"  .. 
 'routinized', by this way of thinking:
 

 Prophetic Charisma: The Psychology of Revolutionary Religious Personalities 
(1997) by Len Oakes
 Introduction by Corey Donovan
 What is this thing called charisma?
 [T]he idea of a divinely inspired power or talent is as old as mankind. The 
oldest surviving work of fiction, the Epic of Gilgamesh, tells of a 
warrior-king, part god and part man, who quests for the secret of eternal life. 
He has many adventures in the lands of the gods, and even attains that which he 
seeks, only to have it torn from his grasp at the last moment. He returns home 
convinced of the futility of his quest and knowing that "the central fact of my 
life is my death" (Kopp 1972, 31; Heidel 1968).
 

 The word "charisma" comes from the name of the Greek goddess Charis, who 
personified grace, beauty, purity, and altruism. Possession of these faculties 
came to be known as charisma. [Footnote: The Greek word is charizesthai, and it 
means favor or gift of divine origin. The Greeks do not seem to have associated 
this with the kind of demagogic and irrational leadership of which Plato wrote 
in his Gorgias, although they were well aware of the rhapsodic "Dionysian" 
aspect of life; Plato was a member of the Elysian mystery cult. For Aristotle 
the megalopsychos was the great man who dares to live alone in secret worship 
of his own soul. 
 The Romans called the hero’s charismatic power facilitas and believed it was 
derived from the gods.] 
 Later usages derive from St. Paul, who saw it as a gift of grace from God: "To 
one there is given through the spirit the message of wisdom, to another the 
message of knowledge by means of the same spirit, to another faith by the same 
spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one spirit, to another miraculous 
powers, to another prophecy" (1 Corinthians 12:8-10).
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  charisma?
 

 There are scholarly teachers, gurus who teach technique, and saints who give 
help and can directly transform people. With any one or in combination 
(scholars, gurus, saints)  then what is the experience of charisma and where is 
the TMO now with charisma?  Charisma evidently can fluctuate in time in people 
and movements.   
  
 What is charisma?
 One author (Oakes) talks about 'prophetic charisma', on a different continuum 
than what we may see as narcissism, or narcissistic personalities and disorders.
  
 "Pure charisma thus is personal and is based on face-to-face contact and 
feelings of trust, duty, and love on the part of the followers (Schweitzer 
1984, 33). It is creative and revolutionary, for "in its pure form charisma . . 
. may be said to exist only in the process of originating" (Weber 1964, 364). 
At the other end of the continuum, routinized charisma describes what happens 
when a leader’s charisma is thinly dispersed throughout the followers who act 
in the leader’s name, typically after he has died. It may survive many 
generations and underlie a stable social order, but it is conservative and is 
not a force for social change (Miyahara 1983, 370)."
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nine years on, I'd exhale if I were them.:-) 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ollie, yours seems a fair critique of the situation here by comparison.  The 
True-believers of the TM meditating community are hopeful that Dr. Nader is 
that person though he is not too available to be experienced or quoted unless 
you have