Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Comments on Communal Studies post

2019-11-27 Thread William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife]
The present system is far superior not so negative thought are real & those 
thoughts were NOT positive at all. Many expressed anger which we as readers had 
to or were forced to ingest with our eyes. Thanks Doug for making it far better!


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From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 

To: FairfieldLife 
Sent: Wed, Nov 27, 2019 5:28 am
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Comments on Communal Studies post

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When Doug took over ownership of FairfieldLife from Rick Archer, he completely 
changed how the group is run, and most participants either left or were kicked 
out. What you see is all that's left. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I'm new to FF Life so plmk any changes I need to make in how I'm submitting.. 
Please excuse any newby gaffs. 

I see a dramatic drop-off of FF Life posts between 2016 and 2017. Why? 








[FairfieldLife] Re: Comments on Communal Studies post

2019-11-27 Thread feste37
Fairfield Life used to be a vibrant and interesting forum. It was killed off in 
two stages, first by too lax moderation, in which one poster in particular who 
should have been banned was allowed to continue, and then by overzealous 
moderation, which tried to impose rules that were far too narrow and rigid. At 
that point, people lost interest. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 When Doug took over ownership of FairfieldLife from Rick Archer, he completely 
changed how the group is run, and most participants either left or were kicked 
out. What you see is all that's left. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm new to FF Life so plmk any changes I need to make in how I'm submitting. 
Please excuse any newby gaffs. 

 

 I see a dramatic drop-off of FF Life posts between 2016 and 2017. Why? 

 

 

 









[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines

2019-11-27 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 ,,

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In self-moderation we rely on each other, "Your use of Groups is subject to 
these Guidelines,  Keep your content relevant to the group and moderate it 
correctly.
 Be courteous.
 Moderate your content."





 

 In moderation, -JaiGuruYou
 
 #FFL is categorized as a 'spiritual' group. One would hope that people could 
trust that they could post reflections here on this yahoo-group without 
incurring personal abuse. Please note the yahoo-groups guidelines saying, 
“Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don't invade other 
people's privacy.” and “Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in 
Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or 
ranting.” 
 

 #
 

 From the Yahoo-Groups Guidelines:
 

 

 “Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don't invade other 
people's privacy.
 ..the group owner may remove your content — or you — from the group 
altogether."
 

 “2. Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in 
Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or 
ranting.” 
 

 Exploitative, especially: unfairly or cynically using another person or group 
for profit or advantage;

 to use selfishly for one's own ends.
 

 Degrading: causing a loss of self-respect; humiliating
 

 Belligerence: a warlike or aggressively hostile nature, condition, or attitude.
 

 Insult: to speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. A 
disrespectful or scornfully abusive remark or action. An insult is an 
expression, statement (or sometimes behavior) which is disrespectful or 
scornful.
 

 Slur: an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them 
or damage their reputation.
 

 Profanity: abusive, vulgar, or irreverent. 
 

 To Rant,  to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild 
over-vehement way; rave.
 

 "Keep your content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly."  “Don't 
be unkind”. 
 

 "We depend on each member to help keep it [FFL] a safe, fun, and positive 
place for everyone. Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or 
remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if 
(a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the 
letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) 
Yahoo believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. 
Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience."
  
 "If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know by 
contacting us [..yahoo-groups]." 
 

































 

 While standing on steady ground I look to the guidelines of civility that 
Yahoo intended for its groups. Those guidelines are way more than spirit but 
plain intent. Folks should simply make their contributions to FFL within the 
chalice which Yahoo holds up to us. Offerings not written well within the 
spirit and intent of what Yahoo has given us may well fall or bounce out as 
given.  In reformation anew have a nice day,  -JaiGuruYou
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and 
intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have 
done thus far. We're dealing with some few nit-pickers of detail but the 
challenge is very much like the Supreme Court faced in ruling yesterday. There 
is spirit and intent of law that needs to be taken in to account, just like as 
Yahoo asks for: Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove 
any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo 
believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of 
the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo 
believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please 
help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a 
Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know by contacting us.
 The supreme court dealing with this.. From the NPR page: The Supreme Court, 
however, firmly rejected the challengers' argument, ruling that the overall 
purpose of the statute was to create a nationwide system of insurance for those 
who are not insured through work. Chief Justice Roberts said that Congress 
established a system of "interlocking reforms" that could not be separated. 
Lose the subsidies, he said, and history shows that mainly the sick will sign 
up for insurance; costs will skyrocket, making insurance unaffordable; and 
insurance plans will be pushed into a "death spiral." It is simply 
"implausible" that Congress intended such a result, said Roberts.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Dear Friends of FFL; Regrettably as moderators we recently received a 
compliant having to do with protecting people's 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Comments on Communal Studies post

2019-11-27 Thread j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
When Doug took over ownership of FairfieldLife from Rick Archer, he completely 
changed how the group is run, and most participants either left or were kicked 
out. What you see is all that's left. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm new to FF Life so plmk any changes I need to make in how I'm submitting. 
Please excuse any newby gaffs. 

 

 I see a dramatic drop-off of FF Life posts between 2016 and 2017. Why? 

 

 

 







[FairfieldLife] Comments on Communal Studies post

2019-11-27 Thread Einar Olsen evergreen...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I'm new to FF Life so plmk any changes I need to make in how I'm submitting... 
Please excuse any newby gaffs.

I see a dramatic drop-off of FF Life posts between 2016 and 2017. Why?

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It appears in the comments with the Communal post 11/24 that there are two 
contrasting views:

a) the FF TM is thriving, andb) that FF TM is declining. Both are partially 
true, and neither is 'the' story. Neither is an objective or complete view.
Both trends are happening:
1. a) Finances, participation (TM), and infrastructure are building, 
increasing, and, b) shifts in core values are taking place in order to continue 
that growth (MUM enrollment is up, not only Compro, but non-compro domestic is 
well up). Annual Fund is successfully raised every year, and the amount is 
higher and higher. So visitors to FF saw the surface, the buildings, the many 
people, the signs of funds and creativity.

Some frequently point to Sidhas leaving and deceasing, but, many Sidhas and 
young continue to arrive, and the young TM people here are much more into 
babies than we were.

FF Life description or definition on its home page says there are 2,000 Sidhas 
locally. A Mvmt leader w easy full access to IAD stats said ten years ago that 
3,500 have badges locally. So I believe number of local Sidhas is at least 
3,000 and may well be higher.

What is needed to understand the local decline vs growth situation, to see how 
much decline, and how much growth, are data, statistics, not just guessing and 
anecdotal observations.

2. Continual change of mission (de-prioritization of Super-Radiance, and 
lessening of campus 'community' (informal social mixing of income and asset 
levels, and positioned w non-positioned, around food and music). Most visitors 
do not see this.

Some things driving the mission change are:
a) Disinterest/disbelief of youth in Maharishi Effect and their lesser interest 
in higher states of consciousness and sadhana lifestyleb) Different admin 
priorities. MUM and MF are more income-driven now, and Super-Radiance does not 
appear to them to be 'bringing in money.' It is a more surface view, more 
'chhandas-based' view, rather than a more 'consciousness-based' or 
'rishi-based' view. More materialistic, less spiritual view (using 'spiritual' 
in its more limited definition, in contrast to 'materialist')
c) Widespread desire or need 'to be led' on the part of many Sidhas, rather 
than self-sufficient initiative. This is common all over the U.S. in many 
spheres, such as political (over-focus on US President, etc.).
d) strong desire and tendency of youth on campus to be just with one another, 
to not mix with elders (we're too intense, driven, directed, and other reasons)
e) many other different characteristics between youth and boomers (too many to 
list here now)f) particularly small number of Gen X, between boomers and 
millennials, to serve as mediating bridging function
g) Theory X rather than Theory Y mgmt style - a planetary situation, not just 
Movement by any means

The young students paying tuition are driving values and priorities. And, the 
wealthy boomer donors are not as oriented toward SR (Super-Radiance) and campus 
community (informal mixing w non-wealthy/positioned). Two dozen Movement career 
HR pros have taught me about this and evaluated the situation clearly and 
objectively.

Another major trend is that the younger generation is blending in far more w 
the non-meditators in values and life style. And the non-meditator youth are 
also becoming more open to alternative values and lifestyle. There is a clear 
merging going on. You will not hear a young person use the term 
'non-meditator.' Probably not 'meditator' either. They don't think like that. 
People are people to them. Much less 'spiritual idealism' in youth. And 
'spirituality' is being defined differently. Following a guru is seriously out 
of fashion among youth, especially collectively following the same guru. And 
close association w any large institutions or movements, especially spiritual. 
All this is particularly true of young men.

These all work against mission maintenance.

This is all withing a changing local Movement cultural context of (imho) more 
and more bliss, happiness, friendliness, silence (vertical) and, decreasing 
friendship, trust, integrity, intimacy (horizontal). And other than the bliss, 
this trend appears national to me. Social scientists tell me this is 
predictable from mgmt style. The world is still mostly Theory X, not theory Y 
(HR terms for top down (X) and egalitarian hierarchy (Y).

I should read it again, but what is said in the string about 'the past is a 
lesser developed state' seems self-contradicting. The sentence after it, 
beginning "But..." reinforces the saying 'the past is lesser developed,' it 
doesn't contrast with it.

Summary: The TM community (local and global) is growing, but by shifting 
mission (away from Super-Radiance and away from down-home community/family 
values, toward just TM,