Re: [FairfieldLife] about flouride
a great peace of contribution!!! God bless you dear Ingvar. --- On Mon, 2/2/09, Ingvar Jönsson transcendentalcosmicbl...@yahoo.se wrote: From: Ingvar Jönsson transcendentalcosmicbl...@yahoo.se Subject: [FairfieldLife] about flouride To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 4:50 AM Dear friends, Fluoride is a hazardous-waste by-product from the manufacture of aluminium, and is a common ingredient in rat and cockroach poisons, anaesthetics, hypnotics, psychiatric drugs, and military nerve gas. Fluoride is one of the basic ingredients in both PROZAC (FLUoxetene Hydrochloride) and Sarin nerve gas (Isopropyl-Methyl- Phosphoryl FLUoride). Independent scientific evidence repeatedly showing up over the past 50 years reveals that fluoride allegedly shortens our life span, promotes cancer and various mental disturbances, accelerates osteoporosis and broken hips in old folks, and makes us stupid, docile, and subservient, all in one package. Avoid fluoride at all times. Never drink water that contains it. Never use toothpaste that contains it. Never take any vaccine. In the 1930's, Hitler and the German Nazi's envisioned a world to be dominated and controlled by a Nazi philosophy of pan-Germanism. The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass-control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water supplies. By this method they could control the population in whole areas, reduce population by water medication that would produce sterility in women, and so on. In this scheme of mass-control, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place. (…) Any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person mentally or physically. - CHARLES E. PERKINS, Chemist, 2 October 1954. The Flouride Deception: http://video. google.com/ videosearch? q=flouride+ deceptionemb=0aq=f# The dangers of fluoride – Fluoride Action Network: http://www.fluoride alert.org/ 10 facts about Flouride: http://www.fluoride alert.org/ fluoride- facts.htm 50 reasons to Oppose Flouridation: http://www.fluoride alert.org/ 50-reasons. .htm Fluoride Stupidity And Population Control: http://www.prisonpl anet.com/ articles/ march2005/ 240305fluoridest upidity.htm Nazi's used Sodium Fluoride: http://www.infonews .co.nz/news. cfm?l=1t=0id=17791 UK Councils Against Flouridation: http://www.ukcaf. org/ The Neurotoxicity Of Fluoride In Drinking Water: http://www.infowars .com/articles/ science/flouride _neurotoxicity_ of_flouride_ in_water. htm Flouride Added To Children’s Milk In Schools Throughout UK City: http://www.prisonpl anet.com/ fluoride- added-to- childrens- milk-in-schools- throughout- uk-city.html Cities, States Questioning Wisdom of Adding Flouride Chemicals to Public Water Supplies: http://www.prisonpl anet.com/ cities-states- questioning- wisdom-of- adding-fluoride- chemicals- to-public- water-supplies. html Flouride in Drinking Water may Negatively Affect Health of Fetuses and Infants: http://www.prisonpl anet.com/ fluoride- in-drinking- water-may- negatively- affect-health- of-fetuses- and-infants. html US Government Wants 75 % American Water fluoridated by 2010: http://www.prisonpl anet.com/ us-government- wants-75- american- water-fluoridate d-by-2010. html Many Man-made Chemicals Detected in Drinking Water Supplies: http://www.prisonpl anet.com/ many-man- made-chemicals- detected- in-drinking- water-supplies. html War on IQ: Flouride and Mercury in Vaccines http://www.prisonpl anet.com/ war-on-iq- fluoride- and-mercury- in-vaccines. html /Ingvar Går det långsamt? Skaffa dig en snabbare bredbandsuppkopplin g. Sök och jämför priser hos Kelkoo.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: My Dinner With Doctor Mahapatra
Hi, I am not Dr. Mahapatra's relative. I just happen to have the same surname. His native place is about 25 miles from my native place. P Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of geezerfreak Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 10:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: My Dinner With Doctor Mahapatra --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pratap Mahapatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know a few things and I swear everything is correct that I write here, not speculation!! The Movement had about 6000 Pandit boys in Noida campus. All came through Dr. Mahapatra's effort. The boys had very regourous daily routine that they could not handle. The teachers or supervisors were very bad. I know a few of them were involved with the boys sexually. Then the boys exploded and lit fire in the campus. There were anarchy. Naturally Dr. Mahapatra confronted very difficult situation following this. P Thanks Doc. Who wants to contact Oliver Stone? This movie must get made! Dr. Mahapatras first name is not Pratap. It starts with a G. This may be a relative. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1284 - Release Date: 2/17/2008 2:39 PM - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: My Dinner With Doctor Mahapatra
I know a few things and I swear everything is correct that I write here, not speculation!! The Movement had about 6000 Pandit boys in Noida campus. All came through Dr. Mahapatra's effort. The boys had very regourous daily routine that they could not handle. The teachers or supervisors were very bad. I know a few of them were involved with the boys sexually. Then the boys exploded and lit fire in the campus. There were anarchy. Naturally Dr. Mahapatra confronted very difficult situation following this. P Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:37 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: My Dinner With Doctor Mahapatra --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend: Dear Rick: We sent the email below to Dr Mahapatra and he asked that you kindly do not circulate this email or put it on your blog/s. There wasn't any email below in your post, Rick. What is he referring to that we aren't supposed to circulate? I didnt reproduce it because it had been in many recent posts: He says he was M's personal physician from about 87 to 91. His English was a bit hard to understand so I'll do my best to relay some of the interesting things he said. After 91, (I'm not sure of exact dates) M had him as one of the people in charge of a group of 6000 boys (M calls them pundits...). At some point M's family told M that they didn't like what was going on with the big group (I don't have any details) and M dismantled the whole thing sending all the boys home to all the families consternation. Maha Patra was in the dog house after that, which sounded like about 95 or 96. He said it was very uncomfortable dealing with all the boys families during that time. Patra said in 87 he was called to M's side in Noida, India and M was rolling on the ground, screaming with the pain. He had pancreitis (sorry for spelling). Patra put him on a pain killer and a sedative. M eventually went to England for 6 months or so for treatment for this. M is diabetic and his family has a history of diabetes. I wonder if his high sugar intake had anything to do with it? When in England everything was kept very secret. When some reporters heard he was at a particular hotel, they would rapidly disappear to another location. During that time M had his heart attack. I didn't get much of the details. M didn't have heart surgery but he did have angeoplasty at a hospital in Holland. M used western drugs and western hospitals while promoting Ayurveda as the be all and end all. M has good days and bad days and has variety of health problems. He stays out of view on the bad days. Patra says M is a megamaniac after world power, (we're all surprised). He says the only ones M trusts are his family members, who he gives untold millions to. M thinks all Americans are CIA and is really paranoid. M asked him if he could test the blood of M's relatives to see if someone was trying to poison them. He says M's family members are not all good people or ethical people and that they have undue influence on M's decisions. He had not heard any stories of M with women. Patra said he spoke with Deepak, his friend, who told him that all the problems started one time when Deepak had to leave M and M wanted him to not go. Deepak told M that he had speaking engagements for thousands of people all set up and he had to go. M said he heard that Deepak was promoting Deepak and not M. Deepak said he always promoted M. M continued to be more negative and suspicious and things broke down from there. Patra says when anyone gets too popular in the movement or has too much of a following M cans them. Patra said when they had the clinic for the very seriously ill at Noida that M would promise them all healing. With severe cases the Vaijyas would tell M that they could only do so much. Patra was trained as an Oncologist and saw people he knew would die. M would promise them healing, then they would die. M would send out his people to collect the huge bills from the bereaved families after the people had died. He said he found that very upsetting. Patra said when he first started seeing M, M wanted him to work for the movement. He told Patra to not go back to hospitals anymore. Patra was about to get married and go into practice, but because of what M said he didn't. M told him the movement would support him and have a bank account he could draw on. He was to have 2 cooks an 2 secretaries. None of that materialized and he was given no money. Now he is in the US, can't pass the medical exams which he could have passed many years ago, and he is taking business courses. He does yagyas full time for Ralph Taylor, and has a group of 60 boys in India doing yagyas for Ralph. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some of my thoughts from today
I congratulate the writer. It is a brilliant article and articles like this can inspire neutral people stay in the group. P Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend: I haven't really talked to people about what they thought about the future of the movement. But, just this AM in meditation that kind of thought showed up. That is, I had never thought about what would happen and just this AM it forced itself into my mind. When stuff does that, I tend to give it some heed. It will take a while for it to clear up in my mind but that is the question to ask. I think about it in terms different than most would. In the early movement all the emphasis was on consciousness and TM. All the lectures and talks and courses were about development of consciousness. MIU was founded on that. The students would do 2 months of classes and then 1 month of 'forest academy' which was mostly meditation for a month. All we wanted to do was meditate, and the more the better. Meditation, residence courses, and more of it was our salvation. Then the siddhis and he cut the meditation. It was all siddhis. I think the forest academy is no longer part of the classroom schedule at MUM. The siddhis are about enlivening pure consciousness into activity. All the businesses in town and various new movement programs of jyotish, ayurved, sthapatya, etc are all focused outward, and reflect the direction of the activity for that phase of the movement. My thought is that now, it could be a new shift. And here's an interesting thought in this area. In the first phase of the movement, it was easy to meditate for long periods of time. Most people wanted more and more and it was easy to do. When the siddhis came, it was hard to meditate for long periods of time. I didn't particularly like the siddhis because of this cutting back on meditation, and tried to meditate more but I couldn't. I had had 10 years of doing lots of meditation, and now couldn't force myself to do it. That puzzled me. But I think it was Maharishi changing the agenda on the subtle level, his consciousness, his intent. I think he had focussed the inward and therefore that is what nature supported and it was easy to do. Whether he wanted it and that made it easy or it was easy so that was his focus, who knows. But that was my experience. What I am saying is that Maharishi's attention, his focus, is what influenced what we could do, our motivation, our consciousness. What he wanted is what nature supported so we got nature support for going in the direction he wanted. That is how he will be calling the shots now that he has gone, now that he is pure consciousness without distraction. What he wants is the direction our consciousness will naturally go. So we have to observe where our desires go and what is the easiest road for us to go down. That's what I have to wait to see. He will guide our desires from consciousness and it should be stronger and clearer. Wait and see if this is so. Any comments? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1272 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 5:28 PM - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?
Hi, I worked for TMO for 8 years. I can say with certainty that he was not a fraud but some of his projects and talks were half truth or half lie with some kind of motivation may be for financial gain or something. P wvansant111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, I appreciate all these stories. I too felt effected by MMY's death in fact...I went to a group puja which I had not done in years and had a good cry. I was feeling weird and sad about MMY's dying and so came on here and of course...saw links to all sorts of things. I probably should have waited a few more weeks before reading it all. Its pretty hard and disorienting to be mourning the loss and also processing that MMY could possibly be a total fraud. The part that's hard for me to shake is that I do feel there is something to TM in general. But intellectually, it doesn't make sense. If MMY didn't really learn from Guru Dev and made it up how can it be effective for so many people...esp people who aren't expecting it to do anything. However, I will say now that it seems the people who benefit most are people like Howard Stern for ex who do the 20 minutes and never have anything to do with TMO again. Can I ask you guys something tho? If you believe MMY is a fraud, it must be pretty obvious to the Indian Pundits and followers. Why don't they ever say anything to anyone? I know a lot of people who've been around India in the movement and never heard anything like this. Are there any other accounts like Paul Masons? Thanks. When I heard of MMY's death, I realized I still feel a lot of warmth toward him. Perhaps I always will. But what is it that I feel that affection about? Is it the real MMY, or is it the person I experienced him to be? Have mostly lurked here from time to time, rarely posted, but am finding now as I write this that it's an interesting learning experience! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 wvansant111@ wrote: I've just finished reading a lot of the information on tm-free blog. my head it sort of reeling of course. I've had mixed feelings about TMO and Maharishi in general, but I have believed in the benefits of TM. If I put everything else aside - just the fact that I quit smoking, drinking and drugs afterwards was a pretty dramatic change. I had a highly addictive personality and was very set in my ways. No adults could get through to me. I had flunked out of school pre-TM. After I started doing TM, I went back to school and graduated cum laude. However, I would agree that meditating in large doses made me spaced out and dysfunctional. I'm just wondering in any of you believe that MMY was fraud but still value his practice. Paul Mason said he is still pro-TM which is hard to believe considering the information on his website. Any thoughts welcome. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Indian TV Feed
I can tell how much approximately. I worked for the Movement for 8 years including 5 years for them working abroad. Just tell me who? Yagya Pandits? I was a translator for jyotish department. P blissbuni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know how much the TMO paid him? - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
RE: [FairfieldLife] To Rick Archer/ On Reciting God's Name
I congratulate the writer. This is meaningful. Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My own experience, and my observation of those whom I consider to have most successfully achieved the goal of meditation practice, does not corroborate your theory. The realized people I know, on this forum and in my personal life, tend to be dynamic, clear-thinking, decisive, even forceful individuals who are above average in their ability to fulfill their desires. They are not meek, submissive, subservient, or drained. They tend to respect the guru or gurus from whom they have learned, but are quite independent of them now, thinking their own thoughts and putting things in their own terms based on their own experience. It is the goal of true gurus to produce such individuals. Gurus are just people who are farther up the mountain, or perhaps sitting on its summit. They can be useful in pointing out the best route up, or in reminding you that you havent reached the summit if youre sitting on your butt thinking you have. To my understanding, you dont unite with gods by using a bija mantra. You transcend the mantra and realize the ground state of all existence, including the gods existence. The realized people I know dont see themselves as having united with a god. They see all life from ants to gods as being particles or facets of their infinite nature. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: 9/27/2007 5:00 PM - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Please help me find a good astrologer
We shall be very happy to assist with Vedic astrology. We do compatibility analysis to check how compatible 2 or more people are for marriage, business or any kind of partnership. Our astrologers are very skilled and experienced having experience of more than 10 years. Some of them are having international exposure through TM Movement. Pratmah2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/25/2007 1:57:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Go to Astrological Varieties . Lou Valentino uses both Western and Vedic for his clients. You should consult with Dr. Brendan Feeley who practices in the Washington DC area. You can google his name to find his website and email. He is primarily a vedic (jyotish) astrologer who also knows western astrology techniques. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need a good astrologer, either Western or Jyotish. Someone who is skilled at looking at two charts and seeing how the two people concerned fit together. Does anyone have any suggestions? Eleven years ago I had an excellent reading from a guy called Colin Maxwell. Anyone know him or where I could contact him? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. - See what's free at AOL.com. - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vaidya Mishra pulse diagnosis course and consultations in July
I was wondering if it is Vaidya Ramakant Mishra or someone else. Is it TM movement organised? at_man_and_brahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The esteemed Raj Vaidya Mishra, whose lineage extends through 5000 years, will be offering a three-day course on pulse diagnosis in July in Indianapolis. This course is intended primarily for health-care professionals, but others are invited to attend. Indianapolis is about a six-hour drive from Fairfield. Vaidya Mishra's approach to Ayurveda is much deeper than most other vaidyas, based on the traditional training he received from his father during seven years following his graduation from an Ayurvedic college. If you are interested in attending or want more information, contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vaidya Mishra will also do three days of pulse consultations following the course. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Advice Sought
Hi John! Knowledge is vast. You can spend your life time learning and still there will be more unlerarned. TM has been developped be someone with great knowledge in this field. It is not very wise to question everything it uses like mantra which is nothing but a life supporting sound. Another thing you say is a God of some other culture. This to me a little narrow minded. Forgive me for using this word. Be phylosophical and think, God does not belong to any culture or religion. You believe or not it is the reality and same to all. It has to do with a faith system. Concerning the insomnia, I will try to send some more articles that will help you. However, I would like you to respond to my private email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Pratap John Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm new to this list, so I hope the following post is appropriate. It is also somewhat lengthy, for which I apologise - conciseness was never my strong point. But I am in search of a spot of advice, and wondered if anyone here could help... I learned TM about nine months or so (I know, a newbie!). It appealed to me since whislt I consider myself in a sense spiritual, I am not religious, and TM seemed to offer a non-faith based approach to meditation. And it has not been entirely without benefit. But since then I have suffered increasingly from insomnia. Not to a dreadful degree, but I'm lucky if I get three hours sleep a night. Growing unhappy with my instructor's standard 'part of the process' response, I took a look online and found this wasn't entirely uncommon, and nor was it necessarily temporary. But, in addition, I also came upon the translations of the mantras. And here lies my real problem. I am not overly bothered by the deception involved when I was told, on learning, that they are without meaning, since, for me at least, they were. But not any more. Now it seems to me that any universal truth has, by definition, to transcend cultures, or it is not universal. The laws of gravity, for example, might have been discovered in the west, but gravity works everywhere at all times no matter what it is called or how it is defined (well, a few claims to the contrary aside!). The processes of nature, the existence of the bundle of emotions and feelings we define as love, the existence of bad television shows...the list goes on, in all disciplines of life. And if meditation has value, then similarly, the same should be the case, must be the case. So. There seem to me to be two possibilities. One, that the actual mantra used is irrrelvant, meaningless. Just a word to return to during meditation as a way of letting go of thought. But if this is so, why the insistence, in TM and indeed other traditions, on the use of particular mantras? Or two, that the mantra used is important, and does have meaning. But if this is so, then the technique is not universal but rooted in a particular culture. Moreover, when meditating I am in effect praying to a god not of my culture, and of whom I have no knowledge, which leaves me deeply uncomfortable. There are, of course, non-mantra based meditations. But those that I have encountered seem based around the breath. And although this would indeed seem universal, what quiet I do find through TM comes when thought of breath has fallen away (as a woodwind musician, I am rarely unaware of, if not actively controlling, my breath). Hmm. I'm not sure there is a question in the above, so much as a seeking of thoughts and opinion. Is the mantra used of importance? If so, why? If not, why?! Do there by any chance exist other non mantra-based, non-religious, 'aimless' meditations? Are my thought processes described above flawed? If so, why and how? Anyways, thanks for reading this far, and any advice would be greatfully received. John - You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagya performance
Live life in accordance to the principles of Veda. For Yagya Pandits, they should do Trikal Sandya daily. Trikal Sandya is a vedic ritual to maintain purity. They should have satvic food. There are many others things they should follow. Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you define vedic lifestyle? pratap Mahapatra wrote: Yes, it should read trained people but they should have a vedic lifestyle. They should be dedicated to preserve the purity. Looking into the sheet for the chanting is not bad. Checking these people is hard if they are good or not. Anyway, if they do not do good they are responsible for their act. By cheating they will earn bad karma and they will pay for that. Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: On Mar 12, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Preeti wrote: What determines that the group performing the Yagya is highly evolved? For example, does the price charged correspond to their level of evolution? No. price charged dpends upon who charge? You have to check it by participating in a performance. There are many professionals and organisations offering this service. You have to pick a good one. How would you know they are evolved or are all the people who perform these yagyas evolved? How would you avoid getting an unevolved person? He should have probably said trained people instead of highly evolved. I've seen Hindu priests do pujas reading them out of a book or piece of paper. I would bet you could find plenty of Hindu priests reading the mantras for the yagyas off a sheet of paper too. You don't have to have brown skin to do yagyas. :) - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagya performance
Yes, it should read trained people but they should have a vedic lifestyle. They should be dedicated to preserve the purity. Looking into the sheet for the chanting is not bad. Checking these people is hard if they are good or not. Anyway, if they do not do good they are responsible for their act. By cheating they will earn bad karma and they will pay for that. Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: On Mar 12, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Preeti wrote: What determines that the group performing the Yagya is highly evolved? For example, does the price charged correspond to their level of evolution? No. price charged dpends upon who charge? You have to check it by participating in a performance. There are many professionals and organisations offering this service. You have to pick a good one. How would you know they are evolved or are all the people who perform these yagyas evolved? How would you avoid getting an unevolved person? He should have probably said trained people instead of highly evolved. I've seen Hindu priests do pujas reading them out of a book or piece of paper. I would bet you could find plenty of Hindu priests reading the mantras for the yagyas off a sheet of paper too. You don't have to have brown skin to do yagyas. :) - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.
