Re: [FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State
From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 2:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State A Message From Advaita State (ASSES) || |||| A Message From Advaita State (ASSES) All glory to Ramana!|| | View on youtu.be |Preview by Yahoo| || Hilarious, but also absolutely perfect in this context, Alex. I honestly think that Edg *doesn't know* that when he makes a post chastising people in advance for disagreeing with him about a picayune point *that most people don't have any interest in* and then titles the post... * Youse guys gunna ever listen or not? OR * I'll say it again OR * What do FFLers who don't get it get? ...much less ALL of the above titles, that he's being an arrogant prick. PLUS, as your video captured so well, he's being JUST as much of a fundamentalist Advaitahole as the guy in the video. So *of course* I made fun of him. He reacted the way Edg usually does when someone either fails to take him as seriously as he takes himself (duh...almost always) and worse, laughs at him, and he had one of his meltdowns. He launched into his If-I-just-string-together-enough-derogatory-words-and-hurl-them-at-the-person-who-laughed-at-me-people-will-think-I'm-a-good-writer-and-smart routine, which -- I'm sorry -- just made me laugh at him even more, and strive to encourage others to join in with the laughter. There were other issues as well, which I will touch on before dropping the subject and hoping he is sane enough to do the same once he sobers up: * Some of us don't get off on arguing with other people *period*, even about important things, and think that those who do are kinda jerkish and limited. * Some of us get off even *less* on someone trying to bully you into arguing about an unimportant point that you think is even more stupid and unarguable-about than How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? * Some of us who have had actual realization experiences may feel compassion for those who have not, but that doesn't mean that we feel the need to encourage them when they believe that they can understand or get enlightenment or realization or whateveryouwanttocallit via intellectual inquiry. We don't think it's even *possible* to get it intellectually. So the whole idea of getting one's panties in a twist over some Advaitan intellectual masturbation exercise strikes us as a waste of time. If people *like* to masturbate, and think that doing so gives them more knowledge about the spiritual path, that's fine. But when someone tries to bully us into joining in with their circle jerk, it's bloody well time to make fun of them until they lighten up and realize that not everybody gets off on the same...uh...strokes that they do. That's all. I'm posting this NOT to get Edg or harm him, as he foolishly believes, but to try to explain to him WHY I was laughing at him, and WHY I will continue to do so when he tries to get me to join in one of his rounds of Mental Masturbation Performed As A Competitive Sport. I wish him luck finding other people here who like such things...
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State
Really? That's your best shot, Turq? That's your big play? I am so much worse than anything anyone here has yet accused me of being. So much worse. I have failed in just about every human way possible. I retired in 1998 from society just because of such failures. You think you can add to the pain of that with your little boy smarm? So, if the below's all you've picked up on to diss me with? Geeze, my mask must be much better than I ever would have hoped. Ya see? It's not about me. I am way way way not a knower of reality or even an all around good guy. I'm as small and petty as anyone. Daily, hourly. But awareness is not consciousness. This is axiomatic. This is not about whether I am an object of Turq derision or getting old -- this concept stands on its own, and anyone can look within and see if it's true for them -- or not. If it is true, it doesn't make me even a titch more spiritually worthy for having passed it along. I'm not here to try to fool anyone that I'm special -- it's just that this one concept seems so pivotal, so fundamental. If awareness is not consciousness, then spirituality becomes a whole new beast -- it points at how consciousness is an experience whore -- a processing addict, and identity thief. Being turns out to be PRIMAL SIN -- individuality is a crock. So toss your fucking darts at me. I already have whole spears embedded -- that I tossed. Ya got no clout. But awareness is not consciousness has more validity than anything I've ever seen you post, and that's the target you can't hit -- me?, I'm a mess, easy pickin's, but that concept is SACRED, and you can't touch it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State But awareness is not consciousness has more validity than anything I've ever seen you post, and that's the target you can't hit -- me?, I'm a mess, easy pickin's, but that concept is SACRED, and you can't touch it. But carry on. Seriously, I hope you find people who are interested in arguing with you about things you all consider important. I am not one of them, and feel instead that your standards for sacred spiritual axioms seem to be as low as your standards for good writing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State
Go ahead, put me down. Pleases ya, does it? And by the way, my writing, such as it is, has gotten me retired very comfortably, thank you. 17 years now without having to suck up to someone. And still churning out the residual nickles. How's your writing income doing for you? Still working are ya? Hm.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State
By any logic awareness and consciousness can not be mutually exclusive. The argument has it's semantic problems as you can not have awareness without being consciousness. And what is being meant by awareness? The senses? But it's all not worth worrying about. My exploration with Advaita began after a girlfriend gave me a copy of Be Here Now which was followed about a month later with seeing Ram Dass give a talk locally. So I was into reading Ramana Maharishi and the writings of his student Mouni Sadhu. I picked up a few techniques that I have over time passed on to others such as visualizing the earth and then moving so far out in space it is the size of a small piece of sand and then reflecting on all the events of day and history and how insignificant they are. Another was imagining you have died and how society would react. IOW they go on perfectly well without you. I have had to admit the stilts thing was funny. I hate stilts as well as unicycles. I can understand some folks are fascinated with them but not me. So the image was rather funny. :-) On 12/16/2014 07:18 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 4:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State But awareness is not consciousness has more validity than anything I've ever seen you post, and that's the target you can't hit -- me?, I'm a mess, easy pickin's, but that concept is SACRED, and you can't touch it. */But carry on. Seriously, I hope you find people who are interested in arguing with you about things you all consider important. /* */ /* */I am not one of them, and feel instead that /*/*y*/*/our standards for sacred spiritual axioms seem to be as low as your standards for good writing. /* */ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State
By any logic means you're using the dictionary meanings. BAH. I'm contending that Nisargadatta is giving us new meanings and trying his best to use mere words when they must necessarily fall short. Yes, in the dictionary, we find very similar meanings for the two words. But Nisargadatta is close to 100% in his using awareness as primal and consciousness as merely phenomenal. I think Maurice Frydman who did the translations toed that line very well. Kept them quite separate. In every use of these two words in the book seen, the consistency is remarkable. Awareness is the sentient agency that observes consciousness.never the other way around. And so that's what I report as fundamental. Yes, I'm asking everyone to dump the dictionary. Most of what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi said about consciousness does apply properly, but try to find out what Maharishi thinks about what is equal to what and what is different from what -- soul, witness, consciousness, being, mind, heart -- and it's just a mishmash -- with words being tossed about with far less precision. The Gita seemed perfect for four readings for me, and then Advaita made precision important, and Maharishi's Gita was notched down. This said, there's just so much in his commentaries that were edifying to me that I cannot but be thankful for what was in them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : By any logic awareness and consciousness can not be mutually exclusive. The argument has it's semantic problems as you can not have awareness without being consciousness. And what is being meant by awareness? The senses? But it's all not worth worrying about. My exploration with Advaita began after a girlfriend gave me a copy of Be Here Now which was followed about a month later with seeing Ram Dass give a talk locally. So I was into reading Ramana Maharishi and the writings of his student Mouni Sadhu. I picked up a few techniques that I have over time passed on to others such as visualizing the earth and then moving so far out in space it is the size of a small piece of sand and then reflecting on all the events of day and history and how insignificant they are. Another was imagining you have died and how society would react. IOW they go on perfectly well without you. I have had to admit the stilts thing was funny. I hate stilts as well as unicycles. I can understand some folks are fascinated with them but not me. So the image was rather funny. :-) On 12/16/2014 07:18 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State But awareness is not consciousness has more validity than anything I've ever seen you post, and that's the target you can't hit -- me?, I'm a mess, easy pickin's, but that concept is SACRED, and you can't touch it. But carry on. Seriously, I hope you find people who are interested in arguing with you about things you all consider important. I am not one of them, and feel instead that your standards for sacred spiritual axioms seem to be as low as your standards for good writing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State
I also read Nisargadatta too as well as his student's books. That was in the late 1990s. I guess if one is still in serial consciousness these issues would be of a concern. But after awhile they do indeed become mental masturbation and essence of the teaching inconsequential. Just be the light and enjoy the light. That's all you need. Or have you not found the light yet? On 12/16/2014 09:13 AM, Duveyoung wrote: By any logic means you're using the dictionary meanings. BAH. I'm contending that Nisargadatta is giving us new meanings and trying his best to use mere words when they must necessarily fall short. Yes, in the dictionary, we find very similar meanings for the two words. But Nisargadatta is close to 100% in his using awareness as primal and consciousness as merely phenomenal. I think Maurice Frydman who did the translations toed that line very well. Kept them quite separate. In every use of these two words in the book seen, the consistency is remarkable. Awareness is the sentient agency that observes consciousness.never the other way around. And so that's what I report as fundamental. Yes, I'm asking everyone to dump the dictionary. Most of what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi said about consciousness does apply properly, but try to find out what Maharishi thinks about what is equal to what and what is different from what -- soul, witness, consciousness, being, mind, heart -- and it's just a mishmash -- with words being tossed about with far less precision. The Gita seemed perfect for four readings for me, and then Advaita made precision important, and Maharishi's Gita was notched down. This said, there's just so much in his commentaries that were edifying to me that I cannot but be thankful for what was in them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : By any logic awareness and consciousness can not be mutually exclusive. The argument has it's semantic problems as you can not have awareness without being consciousness. And what is being meant by awareness? The senses? But it's all not worth worrying about. My exploration with Advaita began after a girlfriend gave me a copy of Be Here Now which was followed about a month later with seeing Ram Dass give a talk locally. So I was into reading Ramana Maharishi and the writings of his student Mouni Sadhu. I picked up a few techniques that I have over time passed on to others such as visualizing the earth and then moving so far out in space it is the size of a small piece of sand and then reflecting on all the events of day and history and how insignificant they are. Another was imagining you have died and how society would react. IOW they go on perfectly well without you. I have had to admit the stilts thing was funny. I hate stilts as well as unicycles. I can understand some folks are fascinated with them but not me. So the image was rather funny. :-) On 12/16/2014 07:18 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 4:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State But awareness is not consciousness has more validity than anything I've ever seen you post, and that's the target you can't hit -- me?, I'm a mess, easy pickin's, but that concept is SACRED, and you can't touch it. */But carry on. Seriously, I hope you find people who are interested in arguing with you about things you all consider important. /* */ /* */I am not one of them, and feel instead that /*/*y*/*/our standards for sacred spiritual axioms seem to be as low as your standards for good writing. /* */ /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State
I find that re-reading increases my clarity -- guess I'm still learning. Haven't had any light experiences since TT days. From the little I can remember, they seem to agree with my present ways of describing Advaita. My theory is that understanding is grown. We grow our nervous systems, obviously, so why not our knowledge? Seems to me the more I intellectually mull over these concepts, I'm forcing my brain to create more connections and add to my grasp. YMMV. But no light. I'm not an authority -- merely a parrot.
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That's too bad after sticking with TM all these years. As MMY would have said you didn't get the goods. He wouldn't have said it but probably thought you should have moved on and tried something else. Perhaps Shiva mantra might have worked better. There are some techniques out there that will blow your head off if you aren't prepared for them. When I'm laying in bed about to go asleep I often just focus on the light which fills me and then go to sleep. It's like looking for anything else. On 12/16/2014 09:56 AM, Duveyoung wrote: I find that re-reading increases my clarity -- guess I'm still learning. Haven't had any light experiences since TT days. From the little I can remember, they seem to agree with my present ways of describing Advaita. My theory is that understanding is grown. We grow our nervous systems, obviously, so why not our knowledge? Seems to me the more I intellectually mull over these concepts, I'm forcing my brain to create more connections and add to my grasp. YMMV. But no light. I'm not an authority -- merely a parrot.
[FairfieldLife] A Message From Advaita State
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