Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?
I see. I'll hope you'll excuse me for asking a silly question. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I think of them as metaphors too, so elaboration probably is not necessary. As cultures shift and language changes, metaphors used to describe the world change. Does't give much hope to find truth in what we say about the world. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I like it too. What's your take on it, Xeno? Can you elaborate some on it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I like this answer. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is? All gods are metaphors so they are all imaginary. On 06/25/2015 09:52 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one?
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?
Let's face it, the books that have made the deepest impressions on me have been the accounts of the (supposedly) enlightened figures from the Eastern (Indian) tradition. I was particularly impressed with the Ramakrishna/Vivekenanda connection. Ramakrishna's enlightenment was heavy on the Mother Divine aspect. Visions, devotion etc. Vivekenanda was decidedly more practical, or scientific. In the case of Ramakrishna, it makes you wonder from whence these visions arise? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But what it means is something like God consciousness is not really about the consciousness of any God because the word 'God' is a metaphor, even though there is a conscious experience that has certain characteristics. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Okay, that's about what I figured. I know we've covered this ground before, but sometimes revisiting, brings some new insights. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Try explaining the absolute and relative to uneducated village people. It won't work so they made up metaphors for those. Think about that picture of Kali standing on Shiva which is the active and the passive. People may worship them devotionally (Bhakti) as gods like they are real beings but in reality they are metaphors or devices for the forces of nature that rule the universe. It's kinda like your IP address being like 77.168.259.265 but we refer to you by your handle. Imagine if we had to refer to everyone by their IP address. BTW, the one I just gave is a Hollywood version which they are now using in TV shows like they use 555 telephone numbers. On 06/25/2015 10:46 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Can you elaborate on that some? What would be an example? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : All gods are metaphors so they are all imaginary. On 06/25/2015 09:52 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one?
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 06/25/2015 09:52 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one? All gods are metaphors so they are all imaginary. The only god that would convince me is the one we might inadvertently discover if we work out that the universe cannot have gotten here by itself. But how big an if is that, and how will we be sure that we've asked all the possible questions to rule out error? Such a god would be so far beyond our capabilities to comprehend it would defy all description because it would be not of the stuff of this universe, not involved in time or space as we have been able to construct ideas of how these things work. So even a mathematical description wouldn't make sense. And we wouldn't be able to see it. For all its greatness it would be just an inference, but maybe it will have left a clue that it was here that we will find when we become technologically capable. Like a quantum signature in the left over heat of the big bang or something wild like that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?
I like this answer.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe
it is?
All gods are metaphors so they are all imaginary.
On 06/25/2015 09:52 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?
All gods are metaphors so they are all imaginary. On 06/25/2015 09:52 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one?
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?
Can you elaborate on that some? What would be an example? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : All gods are metaphors so they are all imaginary. On 06/25/2015 09:52 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one?
[FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?
How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one?
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?
I like it too. What's your take on it, Xeno? Can you elaborate some on it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I like this answer. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is? All gods are metaphors so they are all imaginary. On 06/25/2015 09:52 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one?
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?
Try explaining the absolute and relative to uneducated village people. It won't work so they made up metaphors for those. Think about that picture of Kali standing on Shiva which is the active and the passive. People may worship them devotionally (Bhakti) as gods like they are real beings but in reality they are metaphors or devices for the forces of nature that rule the universe. It's kinda like your IP address being like 77.168.259.265 but we refer to you by your handle. Imagine if we had to refer to everyone by their IP address. BTW, the one I just gave is a Hollywood version which they are now using in TV shows like they use 555 telephone numbers. On 06/25/2015 10:46 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Can you elaborate on that some? What would be an example? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : All gods are metaphors so they are all imaginary. On 06/25/2015 09:52 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one?
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?
I think of them as metaphors too, so elaboration probably is not necessary. As cultures shift and language changes, metaphors used to describe the world change. Does't give much hope to find truth in what we say about the world. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I like it too. What's your take on it, Xeno? Can you elaborate some on it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I like this answer. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is? All gods are metaphors so they are all imaginary. On 06/25/2015 09:52 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one?
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?
Okay, that's about what I figured. I know we've covered this ground before, but sometimes revisiting, brings some new insights. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Try explaining the absolute and relative to uneducated village people. It won't work so they made up metaphors for those. Think about that picture of Kali standing on Shiva which is the active and the passive. People may worship them devotionally (Bhakti) as gods like they are real beings but in reality they are metaphors or devices for the forces of nature that rule the universe. It's kinda like your IP address being like 77.168.259.265 but we refer to you by your handle. Imagine if we had to refer to everyone by their IP address. BTW, the one I just gave is a Hollywood version which they are now using in TV shows like they use 555 telephone numbers. On 06/25/2015 10:46 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Can you elaborate on that some? What would be an example? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : All gods are metaphors so they are all imaginary. On 06/25/2015 09:52 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one?
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Query, not the first line of a joke, or maybe it is?
But what it means is something like God consciousness is not really about the consciousness of any God because the word 'God' is a metaphor, even though there is a conscious experience that has certain characteristics. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Okay, that's about what I figured. I know we've covered this ground before, but sometimes revisiting, brings some new insights. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Try explaining the absolute and relative to uneducated village people. It won't work so they made up metaphors for those. Think about that picture of Kali standing on Shiva which is the active and the passive. People may worship them devotionally (Bhakti) as gods like they are real beings but in reality they are metaphors or devices for the forces of nature that rule the universe. It's kinda like your IP address being like 77.168.259.265 but we refer to you by your handle. Imagine if we had to refer to everyone by their IP address. BTW, the one I just gave is a Hollywood version which they are now using in TV shows like they use 555 telephone numbers. On 06/25/2015 10:46 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Can you elaborate on that some? What would be an example? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : All gods are metaphors so they are all imaginary. On 06/25/2015 09:52 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: How do you distinguish an imaginary god from a real one?
