[FairfieldLife] A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
Sometimes it's weird knowing the Enlightened Emperor is wearing no clothes. A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss. Funny how you only get as enlightened as you were told to... --Viveka-khyati, grokking the distinction between buddhi and purusha ain't final realization, it's just another beginning. You still have to perfect nirodha, total cessation (of breath and mind) and integrate the rain of virtues, then, maybe, you'll be ready for CC. Maybe. There's more to it than you might have been told or are capable of believing. If you already know, then please tell me. --People who are perfecting nirodha, when they are merely resting, that is not moving about here and there, go spontaneously into a very refined breath. They might only breathe once or twice a minute. This is often a very difficult process to go through. Can you tell us what that is like? In meditation one will be able to easily cease all signs of external breathing for extended periods of time. --Superknowledge. When consciousness rests naturally next to the all- ground, the place where all of manifest creation emerges, it's natural to experience superknowledge, knowledge above and beyond what is normally available, even if you spent your entire waking life in devoted book-study. For example, you might gain the entire knowledge of an Ayurvedic physician through extraordinary means. To retain such knowledge, a species of photographic memory is necessary--so much so that volumes of pure knowledge can be seamlessly retained and repeated without flaw (or very minimal error). --Sleep. In the state of turiyatita, Cosmic Consciousness, sleep become an epiphenomenon rather than the basic phenomenon important for rest of the physical body. One of the important qualities of CC is the total integration of the senses with the void. Because of this it is a unique style--one of the few or only styles--of sleep where where the unconscious part of the mind actually rests. Because of this unique quality only a couple of hours of sleep a night are required. In advanced yogis they may not even need to leave their meditative posture. Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. That is, one would continue to hear sounds and feel sensations, etc. --Siddhi and mahasiddhi: before one attains full realization (mahasiddhi), one will often experience siddhis. In the state of realization, mahasiddhi, when can perform siddhis at will. etc. --- The Sun is bound by the sound of the Sun And the Moon by the Sound of the Moon. He who knows this can can capture the three worlds in an instant. - shiva-svarodaya Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:37 PM, Peter wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. That is, one would continue to hear sounds and feel sensations, etc. Lots of good stuff in your post, Vaj, but I have serious questions regarding the above. Awareness of surroundings, but not through the senses. The buddhi doesn't function on a gross level during sleep. The fourth, turiya, being really beyond the other three states, when fully integrated beyond these three *still contains them and retains access to their qualities.* Of course you are right on that this contradicts the model we conceive of sleep. This also highlights another unique function of unitary awareness, even at the level of CC--it is possible to encompass more than one awareness. For example someone who has integrated non-dual awareness 24/7 can simultaneously hear several objects easily. In particualr I remember one yogi I know who we would all go up after teaching and wait in line to talk. I noticed he would always have two lines going at once. So naturally, when I got up to talk I would pause when the person on the opposite side would start talking and he turned away. He turned back to me, said and gestured continue, so I continued with my blab. At the same time he turned away to another person who was talking at the same time. I continued blabbing and eventually he turned back and answered right as I finished, having heard eveything I said. So that's what integration at a real deep level is like: no longer trapped by linear sequences and unencumbered by simultaneity. The inner mandala integrates all awarenesses. Here's an old excerpt from one of the psychologists associated with Sw. Rama that touches on this theme somewhat: But this universal state is split off. It is experienced separately. It is not remembered. The waking consciousness-even the dreaming consciousness-are too limited to cope with it. It remains unknown, a four-hour mystery that takes place each night, hidden between our dreams leaving occasionally just a hint of other- worldliness. Though this way of understanding dreamless sleep seems very foreign to Western thinking, the Upanishads go even further. They describe a fourth state. It is still more advanced than the third. It is what results when the expanded consciousness is brought back from dreamless sleep into dreaming and waking consciousness. This is considered more evolved than the third state because it is the result of a massive reintegration. The universality of deep sleep is carried over into the other levels of consciousness. One maintains the all- encompassing awareness, the serene and universal consciousness constantly. He maintains contact with the brilliant light of cosmic awareness while also remaining in touch with the usual levels of waking consciousness. This fourth state is called turiya. It is the perspective from which all can be observed, controlled and integrated. It brings total awareness of all the compartments of the mind, all the lower levels of consciousness. For example, the dream state becomes totally accessible. A yogi who is approaching this highest state of development can maintain consciousness during the period that would normally be dreaming. This explains how he might be able to practice continuous deep sleep; how he would be conscious enough of the sleep cycle to enter it where he wished and stay as long as he needed. It also implies that one could maintain awareness of the external world even while in the delta stages of sleep. If consciousness is truly integrated, then from the vantage point of this higher level both the dreamless sleep and the external world should be perceptible. This contradicts all our customary ways of thinking about deep sleep, of course. It is normally assumed that one is totally oblivious during this deepest level of the sleep cycle, that he can be aware of nothing around him. In an experiment done with Swami Rama at the Menninger Foundation, this usual conception of delta level sleep was found to be inadequate. After producing theta waves, the Swami said he knew exactly how the inner states of awareness were arranged in respect to the brain wave frequency bands. Then he said, 'tomorrow I will consciously make delta waves for you.' I replied that I doubted that he would succeed in that because he would have to be sound asleep in order to produce delta. He laughed at this and said that I would think that he was asleep but that he would be conscious of everything that occured in the experimental room. Before this test he asked how long I would like to have him remain in the delta state. I said that 25 minutes would be alright and he said he would bring himself out
[FairfieldLife] A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
--- Vaj wrote: Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. That is, one would continue to hear sounds and feel sensations, etc. Peter of the No I writes: Lots of good stuff in your post, Vaj, but I have serious questions regarding the above. Awareness of surroundings, but not through the senses. The buddhi doesn't function on a gross level during sleep. Tom T writes: It is my experience that one can have complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. The only problemo is that of complete and utter boredom. It is like watching the old Test Pattern on TV which used to be on most of the night. After so many nights of the same bedroom and the same bed it is all the same, all the same. After a while one just shuts it down. Deep sleep is preferable to total boredom. Spend weeks, months and years being aware of your intimate surroundings and see how long before you shut it down. TOm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj wrote: Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. That is, one would continue to hear sounds and feel sensations, etc. Peter of the No I writes: Lots of good stuff in your post, Vaj, but I have serious questions regarding the above. Awareness of surroundings, but not through the senses. The buddhi doesn't function on a gross level during sleep. Tom T writes: It is my experience that one can have complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. The only problemo is that of complete and utter boredom. It is like watching the old Test Pattern on TV which used to be on most of the night. After so many nights of the same bedroom and the same bed it is all the same, all the same. After a while one just shuts it down. Deep sleep is preferable to total boredom. Spend weeks, months and years being aware of your intimate surroundings and see how long before you shut it down. TOm Shut it Down! -From the movie Dark City, 1998 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
