[FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Wed, 7/2/08, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony Abu-Nader spends most of his time meditating on the Pursha team, I believe. Bevan and Hagelin both are doing what their guru told them was the right thing for them to do. A guru never tells you what to do. That would serve no purpose whatsoever. A guru facilitates your liberation. I completely agree. And, interestingly, so did Maharishi. Once upon a time. The first time I ever saw him, at the Greek Theater in L.A. in 1967, someone in the audience asked Maharishi what he should do about a problem. Maharishi's answer (paraphrased, of course, but later repeated on both of the Squaw Valley courses I attended with him) was, I never tell a student what to do or how to handle a particular situation in his life. To do that would make him *weaker*, not stronger, because the *next* time some problem came up, he would be expecting me to tell him what to do again. The point is to help him become strong so he can make his *own* decisions. Good answer. He should have stuck with it. Compare this answer -- and this philosophy of teaching -- with what Maharishi *turned into*, dictating every aspect of his students' behavior -- on courses and off. And, in my opinion, he was correct back in 1067. It just made them weaker, and unable to make their own decisions.
[FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- On Wed, 7/2/08, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Tony Abu-Nader spends most of his time meditating on the Pursha team, I believe. Bevan and Hagelin both are doing what their guru told them was the right thing for them to do. A guru never tells you what to do. That would serve no purpose whatsoever. A guru facilitates your liberation. I completely agree. And, interestingly, so did Maharishi. Once upon a time. The first time I ever saw him, at the Greek Theater in L.A. in 1967, someone in the audience asked Maharishi what he should do about a problem. Maharishi's answer (paraphrased, of course, but later repeated on both of the Squaw Valley courses I attended with him) Two Squaw Valley Courses with MMY? August of 1968. When was the second? The next SV course AFIR was summer 1969 with Sattynad, not MMY. Summer 1970 the big Humbolt courses started. And August of 67, MMY was busy with the Beatles. as, I never tell a student what to do or how to handle a particular situation in his life. To do that would make him *weaker*, not stronger, because the *next* time some problem came up, he would be expecting me to tell him what to do again. The point is to help him become strong so he can make his *own* decisions. Good answer. He should have stuck with it. Compare this answer -- and this philosophy of teaching -- with what Maharishi *turned into*, dictating every aspect of his students' behavior -- on courses and off. And, in my opinion, he was correct back in 1067. It just made them weaker, and unable to make their own decisions.
[FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- On Wed, 7/2/08, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Tony Abu-Nader spends most of his time meditating on the Pursha team, I believe. Bevan and Hagelin both are doing what their guru told them was the right thing for them to do. A guru never tells you what to do. That would serve no purpose whatsoever. A guru facilitates your liberation. I completely agree. And, interestingly, so did Maharishi. Once upon a time. The first time I ever saw him, at the Greek Theater in L.A. in 1967, someone in the audience asked Maharishi what he should do about a problem. Maharishi's answer (paraphrased, of course, but later repeated on both of the Squaw Valley courses I attended with him) was, I never tell a student what to do or how to handle a particular situation in his life. To do that would make him *weaker*, not stronger, because the *next* time some problem came up, he would be expecting me to tell him what to do again. The point is to help him become strong so he can make his *own* decisions. Good answer. He should have stuck with it. Compare this answer -- and this philosophy of teaching -- with what Maharishi *turned into*, dictating every aspect of his students' behavior -- on courses and off. And, in my opinion, he was correct back in 1067. It just made them weaker, and unable to make their own decisions. And shall we count the ways in which, in later years, he told TMers what to do? It's almost like being a Hasidic Jew, who have dictums for practically every second of the day: Who to vote for (NLP); What kind of house to buy and live in (Shtapatya Veda); What kind of food to eat (Maharishi agriculture, Honey, etc.) What kind of health care to have (Maharishi Ayurveda) What political and philosophical opinions to hold (weekly pronouncements on current affairs, etc.) Which religious practises to adopt to better your life (Yagyas and all that) How to dress (well, what's to explain all those pastel-colored suits all the men began to wear about 15 years ago) The above is not an exhaustive list and I'm sure I'm leaving some out. The only rational explanation I can come up with for why Maharishi took a 180 degree turn on instructions for the outward stroke of life (ie, living in the relative) is that he had so many sycophants around him all the time insisting that he play guru to them that after repeating the correct instructions (as Barry reproduced, above) to them for 25 years about how to live in the relative, he just threw his hands up, declared that they wore him down, and gave them what they wanted. Who knows? Whatever the reason, one thing is for sure: it's not the TM Program. Anyone indulging in all this other stuff may be doing the TM Technique but they aren't doing the TM Program. They're doing Hasidic TM or Guru TM or Cult TM...call it what you will, it ain't the TM Program...and that goes for 90% of the TBers living in Fairfield and Holland.
[FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who to vote for (NLP); What kind of house to buy and live in (Shtapatya Veda); What kind of food to eat (Maharishi agriculture, Honey, etc.) What kind of health care to have (Maharishi Ayurveda) What political and philosophical opinions to hold (weekly pronouncements on current affairs, etc.) Which religious practises to adopt to better your life (Yagyas and all that) How to dress (well, what's to explain all those pastel-colored suits all the men began to wear about 15 years ago) ... They're doing Hasidic TM or Guru TM or Cult TM...call it what you will, it ain't the TM Program...and that goes for 90% of the TBers living in Fairfield and Holland. The US has been infiltrated -- more like has cultivated, a Christian taliban. And the TMO, as other groups, has cultivated, in some segments of its sects, a Hindu Taliban.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
On Jul 2, 2008, at 9:07 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: How to dress Basically, anything that made the women look like uptight frumps, and the men like uptight nerds. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only rational explanation I can come up with for why Maharishi took a 180 degree turn on instructions for the outward stroke of life (ie, living in the relative) is that he had so many sycophants around him all the time insisting that he play guru to them that after repeating the correct instructions (as Barry reproduced, above) to them for 25 years about how to live in the relative, he just threw his hands up, declared that they wore him down, and gave them what they wanted. I must admit - that's crossed my mind too. Perhaps you get the Guru you deserve? Or create? I dunno. It sure as hell puzzles me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:07 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: The only rational explanation I can come up with for why Maharishi took a 180 degree turn on instructions for the outward stroke of life (ie, living in the relative) is that he had so many sycophants around him all the time insisting that he play guru to them that after repeating the correct instructions (as Barry reproduced, above) to them for 25 years about how to live in the relative, he just threw his hands up, declared that they wore him down, and gave them what they wanted. The Occam's razor answer to your question would be that he was in it for the money and a avaricious businessman disguised as a yogi. Pretty simple really.
[FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:07 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: The only rational explanation I can come up with for why Maharishi took a 180 degree turn on instructions for the outward stroke of life (ie, living in the relative) is that he had so many sycophants around him all the time insisting that he play guru to them that after repeating the correct instructions (as Barry reproduced, above) to them for 25 years about how to live in the relative, he just threw his hands up, declared that they wore him down, and gave them what they wanted. The Occam's razor answer to your question would be that he was in it for the money and a avaricious businessman disguised as a yogi. Pretty simple really. Since when did Occam's razor == glib?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
On Jul 2, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Richard M wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:07 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: The only rational explanation I can come up with for why Maharishi took a 180 degree turn on instructions for the outward stroke of life (ie, living in the relative) is that he had so many sycophants around him all the time insisting that he play guru to them that after repeating the correct instructions (as Barry reproduced, above) to them for 25 years about how to live in the relative, he just threw his hands up, declared that they wore him down, and gave them what they wanted. The Occam's razor answer to your question would be that he was in it for the money and a avaricious businessman disguised as a yogi. Pretty simple really. Since when did Occam's razor == glib? It didn't, it just may be too blatantly honest for TB's. Try this TB version then: Since Maharishi had encultured the nervous systems of his students with silence and direct knowledge of the Absolute through TM, seeing the continued suffering of humanity he decided to give the world the gift of 200% of life and thus brought out Pure Knowledge of the relative aspects of life.
[FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
--Still waiting for the 2nd 100%, and the rest of the first 100% - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Richard M wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:07 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: The only rational explanation I can come up with for why Maharishi took a 180 degree turn on instructions for the outward stroke of life (ie, living in the relative) is that he had so many sycophants around him all the time insisting that he play guru to them that after repeating the correct instructions (as Barry reproduced, above) to them for 25 years about how to live in the relative, he just threw his hands up, declared that they wore him down, and gave them what they wanted. The Occam's razor answer to your question would be that he was in it for the money and a avaricious businessman disguised as a yogi. Pretty simple really. Since when did Occam's razor == glib? It didn't, it just may be too blatantly honest for TB's. Try this TB version then: Since Maharishi had encultured the nervous systems of his students with silence and direct knowledge of the Absolute through TM, seeing the continued suffering of humanity he decided to give the world the gift of 200% of life and thus brought out Pure Knowledge of the relative aspects of life.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gurus telling students what to do (was Re: Philip K. Dick)
On Jul 2, 2008, at 3:20 PM, tertonzeno wrote: --Still waiting for the 2nd 100%, and the rest of the first 100% Clear your credit card balance dude, it's coming.
