[FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
*An open plea to Mata Amritanandamayi.* Original post here - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7384 (Revised and edited, online - http://www.ravichivukula.com) (A clear, cogent, concise :-) summary of all that I have posted here) *Oh my most sweetest, dearest, loving Amma,* I just read this news article this morning – *the World's 100 Most powerful women *http://www.forbes.com/power-women/ I furiously scanned through all 10 pages to see if you were listed, but you weren't Amma. I knew, then, I was right to take this painful, excruciating stand – *can **you honestly say that you needed to be among these most distinguished post-modern 21st century women?* If the age of enlightenment exists, if the Mayan prophecies are any true can't you see how you are standing in the way, representing the 19th, 20th century values - imagining Hindu Gods, Goddesses to be actual entities – * these **medieval beliefs of possession that is part of your culture, your folklore, your manifestation of Krishna, Devi Bhava - can't you see how they just don't belong in the rational, logical, analytical, post-modern 21st century civilization?* Why are you making this harder for me Amma? I have started looking for civil litigation lawyers to sue your institution for slandering me publicly and anonymously via an IP traced to your head office here in San Ramon, CA, your center registered as a charitable organization. *Can't you see how your ashram stands as a major aberration, abomination, affront - in the liberal capital of San Francisco area, mocking, deriding all the human rights, individual rights activists, the progressive, intellectual, sophisticated post-modern 21st century civilization?* *But perhaps an uneducated, unsophisticated, coarse, vulgar Divine Mother is fit for a country like India, still rooted in 18th, 19th century traditions, utter lack of respect, accountability of human rights of individual rights yet revere masochistic feats of physical endurance as spirituality, but Amma, if masochism is a mark of spiritual wouldn't sadistic tendencies lurk along with it, in the shadows - as illustrated by Gail 's damning, convincing testimony?* And what about the sorrows of the family of an innocent, educated, secular, Brahmin, bipolar man, cruelly tortured and murdered for the sacrilege of approaching, confronting the divine mother, approaching you chanting sacred Arabic phrases? Are you a Hindu divine mother? Are you any cognizant of ancient Hindu values? If so are you aware of Braahmana Hatya - the sin accrued because of the killing of a Brahmin - the sin, according to Hindu scriptures, that even gods are supposed to be not immune from? *Haven't you mocked, derided, insulted the whole post-modern 21st century civilization by your fake humility and love while accepting the Gandhi-King award and the SUNY doctorate degree? Aren't you at least morally accountable, culpable for Gail's physical abuse and the murder/torture of Satnam Singh? *Not to mention the financial improprieties at your supposedly charitable hospital? Or the total lack of financial accountability of your various for-profit charitable institutions? Should I just be a mute witness to this insult? Oh Mother - my desire is for America, the beacon of 21st century, post-modern civilization to be free of this crude, vulgar, unsophisticated, uneducated, sado-masochistic, 18th century mystically deceived, deluded beings posing as divine mothers and avatars. How is my rational, logical, analytical mind supposed to interpret your Devi Bhavas – other than crude Krishna possession tricks being generously passed on to you by your father - reliving, relishing these medieval diety beliefs of Kerala? *Haven't you one-upped your father's acting skills by even performing the divine mother possessions? But to use these to prey on innocent, vulnerable humans and project yourself as a humanitarian for the cynical public? Where is the scriptural basis for humans pretending to be divine mothers - acting is good, but actually conning people into believing this and masquerading as humanitarian for the post-modern, 21st century Westerners, intellectuals, liberals and mother of miracles for the 19th century, miracle mad Easterners, Westerners?* *My wish is that America begins the age of enlightenment with 21st century mystics.* *My innate Indian values, the land that worships, celebrates the solitary, arduous, excruciating inner journey of the individual, and my inherited American values, the land that worships, celebrates the outer freedom, liberty of an individual demands nothing less.* Mother – unless you take accountability for the systematic physical abuse of Gail and moral accountability of Satnam's Singh torture and murder – *you come across as dishonest and with a fast eroding, faster than your claims of Universes created, Universes destroyed in you, this illusory myth of your integrity**.* Can't you see
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
Dear Emily, Obba - thank you for your comments, Obba your comments are very humbling :-) In fact a message by one of her erstwhile monks in a forum that I have been lurking on prompted me take a stand. In fact most of the messages are so over the top there that I wouldn't stir much, yeah and guess who I ran into over there Em :-). But anyway this particular poster's message really made stand up and here I am. Anyway feel free to read my follow-up posts there. I have been totally unchallenged so far, it's so boring - I'm glad I am perfecting my techniques here at FFL, a place where Jason referred to the people here as battle hardened thugs when I first started posting here in May 2010. I have come far and I have to thank everyone here - Robin in his influence perhaps towers over the rest but I have learned from everyone even King Baby, His Holiness - it's hard to discard anyone since this list may well comprise of battle hardened thugs but a motley group of intelligent people that I have never sight my eyes upon. Love, Ravi. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:17 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** I am going to start hammering copies of your below quote onto large stone walls for all to view in the future. Very well said, Mr. Ravi. :) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Funny thing. I checked back with that site recently and read up to August 12th. You posted on August 13th. I read the Rolling Stone article - wasn't very impressed actually. I believe Amma's main problem is that she has projected herself as all knowing and God, thereby setting a standard for herself and her organization that is unattainable, IMO. We will see. -- *From:* Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2012 11:47 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride My post on Ammachi Free speech Yahoo group - enjoy. -- Forwarded message -- From: *Ravi Chivukula* chivukula.r...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM Subject: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride To: ammachi_free_speech_z...@yahoogroups.com Well I'm stunned that erudite scholars, intelligent, sensitive, sophisticated persons on this list trying to frame the recent issues involving Amma as some medieval spiritual technique, forgetting basic American values of freedom, justice, liberty, human rights and values and would try to justify 19th, 20th century spiritual methods to a 21st century, materially advanced nation, which has again landed a spacecraft on Mars. What we need is a deep, thoughtful look at the applicability of these Gurus to the 21st century information age, this assembly line of materially impoverished, life-abnegating, sexually repressed, sexually perverted Gurus from India, under the deceptive garb of celibacy, renunciation, humility ensnaring, enchanting the sweet, sensitive, sophisticated, intelligent liberals, make them feel guilty of sex, money, material pleasures and project themselves as divine mothers and fathers, hankering for their riches, their resources - have you seen any Indian devotees of hers sacrificing their million dollar homes, million dollar homes and/or million dollar portfolios? Perhaps we should call these Gurus Hankering Humanitarians rather than Hugging Saints. I have remained silent for a long time but I guess it's finally the time to take a stand http://youtu.be/j5-yKhDd64s The Satnam Sigh affair has been sickening, disgusting to read - not because the ashram is legally accountable. But it is definitely - *morally accountable* especially when a woman who projects herself as the Divine Mother decides to turn a blind eye to this supposedly Brahmin, bipolar, secular man chanting sacred Arabic verses. If an innocent, bipolar man meets this fate at the hands of a Divine Mother - then there is really something wrong with this whole picture, *this whole enterprise, this humanitarian lean, mean ruthless machine that will tramp over people to help people. *This is just insane - where is the compassion here? And then the Gail aka Gayatri letters and interviews -* they are damning and thoroughly convincing*. I have been a lurker on the Ex-Amma for many months other than one or two most of them expose their own fears, insecurities and anxieties. Even the moderator Bronte - who comes across as utterly biased at her best and paranoid at her worst with her Judeo-Christian, Hindu hating, 16th century, voodoo, black magic references. However I feel for Bronte, she clearly has suffered in a similar cult albeit TM in her case, so it's OK for someone to react in such a fashion. But unless someone is able to be totally objective, free of self deception, it would be very hard to effectively rail, rally against someone. Here's where Gail certainly got my
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Ha. Good to see there is action over there though. I loved your post actually. What, are you channeling Robin these days...so intellectual and all that. Blew everyone over there away. Ha. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride Dear Emily, Obba - thank you for your comments, Obba your comments are very humbling :-) In fact a message by one of her erstwhile monks in a forum that I have been lurking on prompted me take a stand. In fact most of the messages are so over the top there that I wouldn't stir much, yeah and guess who I ran into over there Em :-). But anyway this particular poster's message really made stand up and here I am. Anyway feel free to read my follow-up posts there. I have been totally unchallenged so far, it's so boring - I'm glad I am perfecting my techniques here at FFL, a place where Jason referred to the people here as battle hardened thugs when I first started posting here in May 2010. I have come far and I have to thank everyone here - Robin in his influence perhaps towers over the rest but I have learned from everyone even King Baby, His Holiness - it's hard to discard anyone since this list may well comprise of battle hardened thugs but a motley group of intelligent people that I have never sight my eyes upon. Love, Ravi. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:17 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I am going to start hammering copies of your below quote onto large stone walls for all to view in the future. Very well said, Mr. Ravi. :) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: Funny thing. I checked back with that site recently and read up to August 12th. You posted on August 13th. I read the Rolling Stone article - wasn't very impressed actually. I believe Amma's main problem is that she has projected herself as all knowing and God, thereby setting a standard for herself and her organization that is unattainable, IMO. We will see. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride My post on Ammachi Free speech Yahoo group - enjoy. -- Forwarded message -- From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM Subject: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride To: ammachi_free_speech_z...@yahoogroups.com Well I'm stunned that erudite scholars, intelligent, sensitive, sophisticated persons on this list trying to frame the recent issues involving Amma as some medieval spiritual technique, forgetting basic American values of freedom, justice, liberty, human rights and values and would try to justify 19th, 20th century spiritual methods to a 21st century, materially advanced nation, which has again landed a spacecraft on Mars. What we need is a deep, thoughtful look at the applicability of these Gurus to the 21st century information age, this assembly line of materially impoverished, life-abnegating, sexually repressed, sexually perverted Gurus from India, under the deceptive garb of celibacy, renunciation, humility ensnaring, enchanting the sweet, sensitive, sophisticated, intelligent liberals, make them feel guilty of sex, money, material pleasures and project themselves as divine mothers and fathers, hankering for their riches, their resources - have you seen any Indian devotees of hers sacrificing their million dollar homes, million dollar homes and/or million dollar portfolios? Perhaps we should call these Gurus Hankering Humanitarians rather than Hugging Saints. I have remained silent for a long time but I guess it's finally the time to take a stand http://youtu.be/j5-yKhDd64s The Satnam Sigh affair has been sickening, disgusting to read - not because the ashram is legally accountable. But it is definitely - morally accountable especially when a woman who projects herself as the Divine Mother decides to turn a blind eye to this supposedly Brahmin, bipolar, secular man chanting sacred Arabic verses. If an innocent, bipolar man meets this fate at the hands of a Divine Mother - then there is really something wrong with this whole picture, this whole enterprise, this humanitarian lean, mean ruthless machine that will tramp over people to help people. This is just insane - where is the compassion here? And then the Gail aka Gayatri letters and interviews -they are damning and thoroughly convincing. I have been a lurker on the Ex-Amma for many months other than one or two most of them expose their own fears, insecurities
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
You are right, I did receive a personal email from that guy where he is totally clueless as to what free and intelligent speech means, I felt sorry for the guy so I let him off the hook very mildly since he was nice and friendly :-) I'm not surprised you noticed the Robinesque posts of mine, I hope he doesn't sue me - I am ready to credit him if he asks :-) May be he won't like it - if so I expect him to stand and speak up. Anyway I would think there is a unique style of mine. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.comwrote: ** I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Ha. Good to see there is action over there though. I loved your post actually. What, are you channeling Robin these days...so intellectual and all that. Blew everyone over there away. Ha. -- *From:* Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:57 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride Dear Emily, Obba - thank you for your comments, Obba your comments are very humbling :-) In fact a message by one of her erstwhile monks in a forum that I have been lurking on prompted me take a stand. In fact most of the messages are so over the top there that I wouldn't stir much, yeah and guess who I ran into over there Em :-). But anyway this particular poster's message really made stand up and here I am. Anyway feel free to read my follow-up posts there. I have been totally unchallenged so far, it's so boring - I'm glad I am perfecting my techniques here at FFL, a place where Jason referred to the people here as battle hardened thugs when I first started posting here in May 2010. I have come far and I have to thank everyone here - Robin in his influence perhaps towers over the rest but I have learned from everyone even King Baby, His Holiness - it's hard to discard anyone since this list may well comprise of battle hardened thugs but a motley group of intelligent people that I have never sight my eyes upon. Love, Ravi. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:17 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** I am going to start hammering copies of your below quote onto large stone walls for all to view in the future. Very well said, Mr. Ravi. :) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Funny thing. I checked back with that site recently and read up to August 12th. You posted on August 13th. I read the Rolling Stone article - wasn't very impressed actually. I believe Amma's main problem is that she has projected herself as all knowing and God, thereby setting a standard for herself and her organization that is unattainable, IMO. We will see. -- *From:* Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2012 11:47 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride My post on Ammachi Free speech Yahoo group - enjoy. -- Forwarded message -- From: *Ravi Chivukula* chivukula.r...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM Subject: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride To: ammachi_free_speech_z...@yahoogroups.com Well I'm stunned that erudite scholars, intelligent, sensitive, sophisticated persons on this list trying to frame the recent issues involving Amma as some medieval spiritual technique, forgetting basic American values of freedom, justice, liberty, human rights and values and would try to justify 19th, 20th century spiritual methods to a 21st century, materially advanced nation, which has again landed a spacecraft on Mars. What we need is a deep, thoughtful look at the applicability of these Gurus to the 21st century information age, this assembly line of materially impoverished, life-abnegating, sexually repressed, sexually perverted Gurus from India, under the deceptive garb of celibacy, renunciation, humility ensnaring, enchanting the sweet, sensitive, sophisticated, intelligent liberals, make them feel guilty of sex, money, material pleasures and project themselves as divine mothers and fathers, hankering for their riches, their resources - have you seen any Indian devotees of hers sacrificing their million dollar homes, million dollar homes and/or million dollar portfolios? Perhaps we should call these Gurus Hankering Humanitarians rather than Hugging Saints. I have remained silent for a long time but I guess it's finally the time to take a stand http://youtu.be/j5-yKhDd64s The Satnam Sigh affair has been sickening, disgusting to read - not because the ashram is legally accountable. But it is definitely - *morally accountable* especially when a woman who projects herself as the Divine Mother decides to turn a blind eye to this supposedly
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
Yes, this new compassionate intellectual style of yours - it suits you. Just a hint of Robin I noted in one post - no problem. You are one of the brilliant ones Ravi - glad your back. You have a lot to add. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride You are right, I did receive a personal email from that guy where he is totally clueless as to what free and intelligent speech means, I felt sorry for the guy so I let him off the hook very mildly since he was nice and friendly :-) I'm not surprised you noticed the Robinesque posts of mine, I hope he doesn't sue me - I am ready to credit him if he asks :-) May be he won't like it - if so I expect him to stand and speak up. Anyway I would think there is a unique style of mine. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Ha. Good to see there is action over there though. I loved your post actually. What, are you channeling Robin these days...so intellectual and all that. Blew everyone over there away. Ha. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride Dear Emily, Obba - thank you for your comments, Obba your comments are very humbling :-) In fact a message by one of her erstwhile monks in a forum that I have been lurking on prompted me take a stand. In fact most of the messages are so over the top there that I wouldn't stir much, yeah and guess who I ran into over there Em :-). But anyway this particular poster's message really made stand up and here I am. Anyway feel free to read my follow-up posts there. I have been totally unchallenged so far, it's so boring - I'm glad I am perfecting my techniques here at FFL, a place where Jason referred to the people here as battle hardened thugs when I first started posting here in May 2010. I have come far and I have to thank everyone here - Robin in his influence perhaps towers over the rest but I have learned from everyone even King Baby, His Holiness - it's hard to discard anyone since this list may well comprise of battle hardened thugs but a motley group of intelligent people that I have never sight my eyes upon. Love, Ravi. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:17 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I am going to start hammering copies of your below quote onto large stone walls for all to view in the future. Very well said, Mr. Ravi. :) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: Funny thing. I checked back with that site recently and read up to August 12th. You posted on August 13th. I read the Rolling Stone article - wasn't very impressed actually. I believe Amma's main problem is that she has projected herself as all knowing and God, thereby setting a standard for herself and her organization that is unattainable, IMO. We will see. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride My post on Ammachi Free speech Yahoo group - enjoy. -- Forwarded message -- From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM Subject: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride To: ammachi_free_speech_z...@yahoogroups.com Well I'm stunned that erudite scholars, intelligent, sensitive, sophisticated persons on this list trying to frame the recent issues involving Amma as some medieval spiritual technique, forgetting basic American values of freedom, justice, liberty, human rights and values and would try to justify 19th, 20th century spiritual methods to a 21st century, materially advanced nation, which has again landed a spacecraft on Mars. What we need is a deep, thoughtful look at the applicability of these Gurus to the 21st century information age, this assembly line of materially impoverished, life-abnegating, sexually repressed, sexually perverted Gurus from India, under the deceptive garb of celibacy, renunciation, humility ensnaring, enchanting the sweet, sensitive, sophisticated, intelligent liberals, make them feel guilty of sex, money, material pleasures and project themselves as divine mothers and fathers, hankering for their riches, their resources - have you seen any Indian devotees of hers sacrificing their million dollar homes, million dollar homes and/or million dollar portfolios? Perhaps we should call these Gurus Hankering
[FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
My post on Ammachi Free speech Yahoo group - enjoy. -- Forwarded message -- From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM Subject: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride To: ammachi_free_speech_z...@yahoogroups.com Well I'm stunned that erudite scholars, intelligent, sensitive, sophisticated persons on this list trying to frame the recent issues involving Amma as some medieval spiritual technique, forgetting basic American values of freedom, justice, liberty, human rights and values and would try to justify 19th, 20th century spiritual methods to a 21st century, materially advanced nation, which has again landed a spacecraft on Mars. What we need is a deep, thoughtful look at the applicability of these Gurus to the 21st century information age, this assembly line of materially impoverished, life-abnegating, sexually repressed, sexually perverted Gurus from India, under the deceptive garb of celibacy, renunciation, humility ensnaring, enchanting the sweet, sensitive, sophisticated, intelligent liberals, make them feel guilty of sex, money, material pleasures and project themselves as divine mothers and fathers, hankering for their riches, their resources - have you seen any Indian devotees of hers sacrificing their million dollar homes, million dollar homes and/or million dollar portfolios? Perhaps we should call these Gurus Hankering Humanitarians rather than Hugging Saints. I have remained silent for a long time but I guess it's finally the time to take a stand http://youtu.be/j5-yKhDd64s The Satnam Sigh affair has been sickening, disgusting to read - not because the ashram is legally accountable. But it is definitely - *morally accountable* especially when a woman who projects herself as the Divine Mother decides to turn a blind eye to this supposedly Brahmin, bipolar, secular man chanting sacred Arabic verses. If an innocent, bipolar man meets this fate at the hands of a Divine Mother - then there is really something wrong with this whole picture, *this whole enterprise, this humanitarian lean, mean ruthless machine that will tramp over people to help people. *This is just insane - where is the compassion here? And then the Gail aka Gayatri letters and interviews -* they are damning and thoroughly convincing*. I have been a lurker on the Ex-Amma for many months other than one or two most of them expose their own fears, insecurities and anxieties. Even the moderator Bronte - who comes across as utterly biased at her best and paranoid at her worst with her Judeo-Christian, Hindu hating, 16th century, voodoo, black magic references. However I feel for Bronte, she clearly has suffered in a similar cult albeit TM in her case, so it's OK for someone to react in such a fashion. But unless someone is able to be totally objective, free of self deception, it would be very hard to effectively rail, rally against someone. Here's where Gail certainly got my attention. I read through her recent message on Ex-Amma and *I can't detect any self-deception, any fear, insecurity or anxiety that stands out in Gail's post. In fact her message is totally devoid of any bitterness, malice - it seems very plainly, simply stated*. My objections to Gurus so far had been based on entirely different reasons, at least I still have love for Amma, how could I not, when I have spent 16 years around her. But I have always stood aside, I only got involved with this cult because of a person I was in relationship with. I never ever depended on her for any spiritual advice nor did I fantasize her as divine mother. But till 2009 I was always immature, not yet ready to articulate myself, ready to stand up, but always was true to my core inner values. I always ignored outrageous, illogical, absurd things - what is her autobiography but 16th century hocus-pocus, even at the age of 24 it perplexed me - anyway I ignored all this outrageous garbage as harmless, innocent, necessary deception and never lost my love my Amma, I certainly haven't now. This is a sense of obligation, humility, gratitude I feel for a place that has caused my own spiritual evolution. As Gail so simply and plainly stated, the statement that I totally agree with - is that any love you feel for her is merely a projection of your own love. Certainly there is the atmosphere, the vibe, the group energy that spontaneously causes this love to appear, but who is responsible for this love I feel compassion for her, that *she chooses to deceive herself as divine mother and not ready to admit that she is a created, vulnerable being like each one of us*. She has to face the mystery, the vulnerability of death. She could have just claimed herself as enlightened and this message would have never been sent. I definitely feel she was enlightened or could still be but she is seriously deluded. A few years back I read the statement on how she said that the sole purpose of spirituality is to help others - now this is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
Funny thing. I checked back with that site recently and read up to August 12th. You posted on August 13th. I read the Rolling Stone article - wasn't very impressed actually. I believe Amma's main problem is that she has projected herself as all knowing and God, thereby setting a standard for herself and her organization that is unattainable, IMO. We will see. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride My post on Ammachi Free speech Yahoo group - enjoy. -- Forwarded message -- From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM Subject: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride To: ammachi_free_speech_z...@yahoogroups.com Well I'm stunned that erudite scholars, intelligent, sensitive, sophisticated persons on this list trying to frame the recent issues involving Amma as some medieval spiritual technique, forgetting basic American values of freedom, justice, liberty, human rights and values and would try to justify 19th, 20th century spiritual methods to a 21st century, materially advanced nation, which has again landed a spacecraft on Mars. What we need is a deep, thoughtful look at the applicability of these Gurus to the 21st century information age, this assembly line of materially impoverished, life-abnegating, sexually repressed, sexually perverted Gurus from India, under the deceptive garb of celibacy, renunciation, humility ensnaring, enchanting the sweet, sensitive, sophisticated, intelligent liberals, make them feel guilty of sex, money, material pleasures and project themselves as divine mothers and fathers, hankering for their riches, their resources - have you seen any Indian devotees of hers sacrificing their million dollar homes, million dollar homes and/or million dollar portfolios? Perhaps we should call these Gurus Hankering Humanitarians rather than Hugging Saints. I have remained silent for a long time but I guess it's finally the time to take a stand http://youtu.be/j5-yKhDd64s The Satnam Sigh affair has been sickening, disgusting to read - not because the ashram is legally accountable. But it is definitely - morally accountable especially when a woman who projects herself as the Divine Mother decides to turn a blind eye to this supposedly Brahmin, bipolar, secular man chanting sacred Arabic verses. If an innocent, bipolar man meets this fate at the hands of a Divine Mother - then there is really something wrong with this whole picture, this whole enterprise, this humanitarian lean, mean ruthless machine that will tramp over people to help people. This is just insane - where is the compassion here? And then the Gail aka Gayatri letters and interviews -they are damning and thoroughly convincing. I have been a lurker on the Ex-Amma for many months other than one or two most of them expose their own fears, insecurities and anxieties. Even the moderator Bronte - who comes across as utterly biased at her best and paranoid at her worst with her Judeo-Christian, Hindu hating, 16th century, voodoo, black magic references. However I feel for Bronte, she clearly has suffered in a similar cult albeit TM in her case, so it's OK for someone to react in such a fashion. But unless someone is able to be totally objective, free of self deception, it would be very hard to effectively rail, rally against someone. Here's where Gail certainly got my attention. I read through her recent message on Ex-Amma and I can't detect any self-deception, any fear, insecurity or anxiety that stands out in Gail's post. In fact her message is totally devoid of any bitterness, malice - it seems very plainly, simply stated. My objections to Gurus so far had been based on entirely different reasons, at least I still have love for Amma, how could I not, when I have spent 16 years around her. But I have always stood aside, I only got involved with this cult because of a person I was in relationship with. I never ever depended on her for any spiritual advice nor did I fantasize her as divine mother. But till 2009 I was always immature, not yet ready to articulate myself, ready to stand up, but always was true to my core inner values. I always ignored outrageous, illogical, absurd things - what is her autobiography but 16th century hocus-pocus, even at the age of 24 it perplexed me - anyway I ignored all this outrageous garbage as harmless, innocent, necessary deception and never lost my love my Amma, I certainly haven't now. This is a sense of obligation, humility, gratitude I feel for a place that has caused my own spiritual evolution. As Gail so simply and plainly stated, the statement that I totally agree with - is that any love you feel for her is merely a projection of your own love. Certainly
