Re: [FairfieldLife] Mechanics of Yagyas thanks Tom 4 sharing Ur vision
My thnaks again 4 this piece of news Ur vision as well, Tom T.
[FairfieldLife] Mechanics of Yagyas
Vay writes: One wonders if he was practicing the flying sutra and or listening to the soma mandala, as these are the type of experiences I associate with that practice. Other than that it sounds like a dream of purification (a sign that purification was taking place). Tom T: The chapter I quoted from was entitled Visions. I see them as totally different then dreams as they are linear and are coherent with a clear beginning, middle and end. Having said that it appeared to me that what happened in the vision was a purification. Whether it happened because of the Yagya I can not say. The night I had the vision it seemed to be major purification. The following day I went to work and the Yagya office called and told me that they had not gotten the fax from India in time to call me the previous evening that the Yagya was to begin after midnight my time. I was innocent of the chain of events. At the time I was living in the TM center and was going through a nasty divorce. Reasons enough to need to purify. I was doing the long program and listening to the 9th and 10th mandalas and flying for 30 minutes. If any of it matters that is how it went down. You figure if there is or ever was any cause and effect. This is just my exerience as it appeared to happen to me. Tom
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On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:50 AM, llundrub wrote: Is that what you meant? I'm not sure any of that explained how they work if they work. __ Mimamsa is really not at all that different from ceremonial magic, a la the divine theurgy of Regardie and Iamblichus (and the Neoplatonists). It's an hierarchical system of magic. It works...but so does many culture's systems as well. It's not a unique thing at all IMO. We all were once pagans if we've been here a coupla 'carnations.
[FairfieldLife] Mechanics of Yagyas
So I know yagyas are the way of heyam dukam anagatam etc, but what are the mechanics exactly? I mean, do the devas just dig it so much that we do ceremonies that they shower blessings? So they are not altruistic? They will only help those who sacrifice? What are the mechanics? Are they moral? If you only sacrificed exactly so much do you only get exactly so much back? Or is the quality of the priest important? If you have a huge and expensive yagya with a shitty pundit is it not as good as a poor yagya with a great pundit? And so on... Is it not only karma really? The amount of energy put into the aspect of creation through ritual?
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Heyam dukam anagatam has nothing to do with yagyas or anything else in the relative. This is a TMO perversion (note perversion, not distortion) of Patanjali. The danger that is to be avoided is the identification of the Seer with the seen (avidya) which is the source of all suffering. It has nothing to do with improving ones karma. --- llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I know yagyas are the way of heyam dukam anagatam etc, but what are the mechanics exactly? I mean, do the devas just dig it so much that we do ceremonies that they shower blessings? So they are not altruistic? They will only help those who sacrifice? What are the mechanics? Are they moral? If you only sacrificed exactly so much do you only get exactly so much back? Or is the quality of the priest important? If you have a huge and expensive yagya with a shitty pundit is it not as good as a poor yagya with a great pundit? And so on... Is it not only karma really? The amount of energy put into the aspect of creation through ritual? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:01 AM, llundrub wrote: So I know yagyas are the way of heyam dukam anagatam etc, but what are the mechanics exactly? Namarupa: Name and Form. The basic part most TM people will know, but not realize their origin: all Vedic recitations will have 8 basic characteristics, of which 3 are more widely known: --a rishi or subjective framework of the recitation, the state of consciousness it refers to. Historically this is the rishi who cognized it originally. --devata, the force of nature invoked which mediates change. --chandhas, the meter or space-time framework necessary for manifestation of change. Is that what you meant?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mechanics of Yagyas
Is that what you meant? I'm not sure any of that explained how they work if they work. __
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I have never met someone who identified with the seen. As in, hey, I am eating myself this plate of hash and eggs. What's the unperverted yagya perspective please? - Original Message - From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Mechanics of Yagyas Heyam dukam anagatam has nothing to do with yagyas or anything else in the relative. This is a TMO perversion (note perversion, not distortion) of Patanjali. The danger that is to be avoided is the identification of the Seer with the seen (avidya) which is the source of all suffering. It has nothing to do with improving ones karma. --- llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I know yagyas are the way of heyam dukam anagatam etc, but what are the mechanics exactly? I mean, do the devas just dig it so much that we do ceremonies that they shower blessings? So they are not altruistic? They will only help those who sacrifice? What are the mechanics? Are they moral? If you only sacrificed exactly so much do you only get exactly so much back? Or is the quality of the priest important? If you have a huge and expensive yagya with a shitty pundit is it not as good as a poor yagya with a great pundit? And so on... Is it not only karma really? The amount of energy put into the aspect of creation through ritual? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
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The Roman Catholic Church took money and forgave Sins. The Church became so Corrupt that the rich could buy their way to Heaven. Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:16:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Mechanics of Yagyas Heyam dukam anagatam has nothing to do with yagyas or anything else in the relative. This is a TMO perversion (note perversion, not distortion) of Patanjali. The danger that is to be avoided is the identification of the Seer with the seen (avidya) which is the source of all suffering. It has nothing to do with improving ones karma. --- llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] net wrote: So I know yagyas are the way of heyam dukam anagatam etc, but what are the mechanics exactly? I mean, do the devas just dig it so much that we do ceremonies that they shower blessings? So they are not altruistic? They will only help those who sacrifice? What are the mechanics? Are they moral? If you only sacrificed exactly so much do you only get exactly so much back? Or is the quality of the priest important? If you have a huge and expensive yagya with a shitty pundit is it not as good as a poor yagya with a great pundit? And so on... Is it not only karma really? The amount of energy put into the aspect of creation through ritual? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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So that was based on the Vedas? - Original Message - From: Jason Spock To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Mechanics of Yagyas The Roman Catholic Church took money and forgave Sins. The Church became so Corrupt that the rich could buy their way to Heaven. Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:16:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Mechanics of Yagyas Heyam dukam anagatam has nothing to do with yagyas or anything else in the relative. This is a TMO perversion (note perversion, not distortion) of Patanjali. The danger that is to be avoided is the identification of the Seer with the seen (avidya) which is the source of all suffering. It has nothing to do with improving ones karma. --- llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] net wrote: So I know yagyas are the way of heyam dukam anagatam etc, but what are the mechanics exactly? I mean, do the devas just dig it so much that we do ceremonies that they shower blessings? So they are not altruistic? They will only help those who sacrifice? What are the mechanics? Are they moral? If you only sacrificed exactly so much do you only get exactly so much back? Or is the quality of the priest important? If you have a huge and expensive yagya with a shitty pundit is it not as good as a poor yagya with a great pundit? And so on... Is it not only karma really? The amount of energy put into the aspect of creation through ritual? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Mechanics of Yagyas
Jim Flanegin writes;snipped I see it similarly to the way you suggested- Yagyas operate karmically, in the most precise and efficient way possible; straight to the source. Similar to a puja I would think. I have not had one performed for me though, so can't comment on how it feels to be involved on either side. Tom T: Back when I had more money than brains I had one done by the TMO. THis is a piece of chapter 12 (titled Visions) from my book, Unlock Your Spiritual Metaphors. You could put this down as my personal experience with Yagyas. Another very memorable vision for me happened at a time when I was under a tremendous pressure from my divorce. I had felt so overwhelmed that I had asked to have a yagya done on my behalf. A yagya is a specific vedic recitation, chant and ceremony that is aimed at alleviating specific symptoms. I had asked for a yagya that would be best for me at that time so I never found out exactly which one was performed for me but I will never forget the experience. I did not know the yagya was scheduled for the specific night of this vision so I believe I have eliminated any self-fulfilling prophecy. The night in question I remember hearing a phone ringing and a voice saying, phone call for Tom. As I awoke in the vision I was looking at the back of a human head covered with very nice hair. It felt like a close-up one would see on TV. After a few moments the camera (observer) began backing away from the head until the back of the head was framed in the picture but only took up about 50% of the frame. At this point the head split right down the middle and opened up just like a well-done clamshell. The dream at that point began to appear in almost surrealistic colors that seemed gaudy and overly bright. In the middle of the picture was this fully formed brain in an incredible detail that the observer of the vision knew to be exact in every fine detail almost like having microscopic eyesight. As I watched little pieces of material like confetti began to fly out of the brain being watched and to fly of into nowhere off the screen. The confetti was colored in a multitude of colors and there were more of some colors than of others. This continued for a very long time and eventually stopped. After a rest period the clamshell head snapped shut as if it had never been opened. At that point the camera (observer) began to back further away from the head and at the same time it began rolling to the left so that one could see the head in profile. As I began to finally see the profile I realized wow that is my head that I have been observing and I have been watching all this stuff get removed. Subsequently I have come to know that the yagya was doing its job and I was seeing the results, as I am a visual type person. Although this happened over 17 years ago it seems like it happened last night and the immediacy of it right now is stunning to me.
