[FairfieldLife] Mystical Placebos (Re: Shroud of Turin Report (or, When the Fans Hit the Sheet)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: To me, its a fascinating illustration of projection manifesting -- a sort of mystical placebo effect. If one believes a relic or symbol (or for that matter practice, posture or pranayam -- or hug, darshan, or saintly attention, or wafer/wine, incense and flowers, murtis and icons, herbs and incantations) is blessed and real, then regardless of its actual status, it can create the expected effect for the individual. Turquoise's Barry's brother saw white light -- perhaps a poetic description o his feeling -- perhaps actual white light shone for him. Yet given the the below discussion, it would appear the dose is not the real thing, but rather a mystical placebo. I can relate. I have taken mundane objects and santified them in my mind -- and used a focus for appreciating nature and the universe -- and I walk away with a cleansed, uplifted, expanded state. Of course maybe my mundane object starting point was not mundane at all -- but holy and sacred as everything. Perhaps the entire universe and all of its contents is holy and sacred and worthy of respect and reverance. Each step is on holy land, each heart a sacred heart. Even if that is a placebo, it is a grand and magnificent one. Or perhaps, reflecting recent posts, there actually is that intense self-referral Love bending back into itself, self sufficient and blazing at the core of everything -- loving each particle of creation far more intensely than we might love back. Then reverence and appreciation of the sacred is not placebo, but a gateway to appreciating reality -- and a process that invokes a real response from the universe -- or that piece of it However, if the part is in the whole and the whole is in the part, this holographic type structure would imply reverence for the part brings a response -- blessings in mystical terms, from the Whole. And reverence for the Whole may bring concentrated blessings to a singular part in our gaze or vicinity. An odd but intriguing side thought: What if each of is an icon used for worship by others in he cosmos. Devas, cells, existence itself. Fits into the intense love the universe has for you -- idea / placebo / fantasy / delusion. And that by pour blessings on you in their offerings and santification of the idol He-Bajrangi-Bali-Hanuman http://ishare.rediff.com/video/Devotional/He-Bajrangi-Bali-Hanuman/10071\ 269 http://ishare.rediff.com/video/Devotional/He-Bajrangi-Bali-Hanuman/1007\ 1269http://tinyurl.com/y26kwr7 http://tinyurl.com/y26kwr7God Birthday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYrA_uodlPYfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYrA_uodlPYfeature=related http://tinyurl.com/y4e93dj http://tinyurl.com/y4e93dj -- they purify and enliven we -- the stone murtis -- upon which they put their loving attention. We of stone become walk, talking enlivened divinity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhNzE9VTxFEfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhNzE9VTxFEfeature=related http://tinyurl.com/y63z6ef http://tinyurl.com/y63z6ef http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSn5alb-Iv8feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSn5alb-Iv8feature=related http://tinyurl.com/y2tzf7n I suppose this genre could be termed Spiritual Fiction -- akin to Science Fiction. The latter has its value in pondering progress and technological change, ethics and all. SpiFi i guess could also have similar value -- in exploring mystic theses, gut feelings, intuitions and simply speculation about the underlying realities of life and the cosmos. The counter part to trekkie conventions -- hmmm maybe -- Burning Man with shades of Fuiggi and Amma-thons. (And of course a dash of he latter years' Dead Head concerts.) Then again it may be as delusional and temporary as a coke-head believing they are king of the world -- their momentary state being so grand. But I say, if one is going to be deluded, do it in a vast and magnificent way. Go for the gold. Let the universe be a blazing inferno of self-referral intense Love, where the part is the Whole and the Whole is the part. do not mind the kind of earthly mockery above BEAUTIFUL WRITTEN Its not a crazy as thinking a larger granite counter top in ones kitchen will actually bring sustained happiness. (Though per my thesis, the granite counter top could be the placebo that opens up the blazing love of the universe to Ashley an Biff in the upscale gated-community.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: snip The most recent findings I know of are that the face is identical to one of Leonardo's drawings that he made of a cadaver he was studying in one of his pursuits of understanding how the body really worked. Facial recognition software apparently
[FairfieldLife] Mystical Placebos (Re: Shroud of Turin Report (or, When the Fans Hit the Sheet)
To me, its a fascinating illustration of projection manifesting -- a sort of mystical placebo effect. If one believes a relic or symbol (or for that matter practice, posture or pranayam -- or hug, darshan, or saintly attention, or wafer/wine, incense and flowers, murtis and icons, herbs and incantations) is blessed and real, then regardless of its actual status, it can create the expected effect for the individual. Turquoise's Barry's brother saw white light -- perhaps a poetic description o his feeling -- perhaps actual white light shone for him. Yet given the the below discussion, it would appear the dose is not the real thing, but rather a mystical placebo. I can relate. I have taken mundane objects and santified them in my mind -- and used a focus for appreciating nature and the universe -- and I walk away with a cleansed, uplifted, expanded state. Of course maybe my mundane object starting point was not mundane at all -- but holy and sacred as everything. Perhaps the entire universe and all of its contents is holy and sacred and worthy of respect and reverance. Each step is on holy land, each heart a sacred heart. Even if that is a placebo, it is a grand and magnificent one. Or perhaps, reflecting recent posts, there actually is that intense self-referral Love bending back into itself, self sufficient and blazing at the core of everything -- loving each particle of creation far more intensely than we might love back. Then reverence and appreciation of the sacred is not placebo, but a gateway to appreciating reality -- and a process that invokes a real response from the universe -- or that piece of it However, if the part is in the whole and the whole is in the part, this holographic type structure would imply reverence for the part brings a response -- blessings in mystical terms, from the Whole. And reverence for the Whole may bring concentrated blessings to a singular part in our gaze or vicinity. Then again it may be as delusional and temporary as a coke-head believing they are king of the world -- their momentary state being so grand. But I say, if one is going to be deluded, do it in a vast and magnificent way. Go for the gold. Let the universe be a blazing inferno of self-referral intense Love, where the part is the Whole and the Whole is the part. Its not a crazy as thinking a larger granite counter top in ones kitchen will actually bring sustained happiness. (Though per my thesis, the granite counter top could be the placebo that opens up the blazing love of the universe to Ashley an Biff in the upscale gated-community.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: snip The most recent findings I know of are that the face is identical to one of Leonardo's drawings that he made of a cadaver he was studying in one of his pursuits of understanding how the body really worked. Facial recognition software apparently matches them perfectly. Also the head is too small for the body and the picture is bigger at the front than the back, meaning that when the exposure was made (it really appears to be a photograph) they did the front and back seperately and got the wrong distance from the camera obscura in one of them. The most obvious error to me is that it looks like a photo and not like the image would if it had been draped over some- ones head. That would've stretched it and he'd end up looking like an alien - which might start a whole new conspiracy! I saw these guys do a lecture on it that became a docmentary that I can't find a link to: http://www.picknettprince.com/books/turinshroud/turin.htm Fascinating. They say the Shroud image is a perfect match with a Leonardo painting of Christ, Salvator Mundi (minus the moustache and beard). They have links to two very impressive .wmv videos; the first juxtaposes the painting with the Shroud image, the second juxtaposes the Leonardo painting to another painting somebody else made from a negative image of the Shroud. Worth a look. Turin Shroud to Salvator Mundi: http://www.picknettprince.com/books/turinshroud/Shroud%20to%20Salvator%20quick%20version.wmv http://tinyurl.com/y4tsza5 Aggemian's Shroud Portrait to Salvator Mundi: http://www.picknettprince.com/books/turinshroud/Shroud%2002%20-%20aggemian%20shroud%20portrait%20to%20salvator%20mundi.wmv http://tinyurl.com/y5pcz5t They are very convincing and have left the ball in the court of the believers to disprove them. I think it will run and run at least until it gets handed over to science so they can do a better job of testing it than they did last time. Hard to see how the similarity between the Shroud image and the paintings could be explained otherwise. Maybe scientific evidence dating the Shroud isn't even required.
[FairfieldLife] Mystical Placebos (Re: Shroud of Turin Report (or, When the Fans Hit the Sheet)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: To me, its a fascinating illustration of projection manifesting -- a sort of mystical placebo effect. If one believes a relic or symbol (or for that matter practice, posture or pranayam -- or hug, darshan, or saintly attention, or wafer/wine, incense and flowers, murtis and icons, herbs and incantations) is blessed and real, then regardless of its actual status, it can create the expected effect for the individual. Turquoise's Barry's brother saw white light -- perhaps a poetic description o his feeling -- perhaps actual white light shone for him. Yet given the the below discussion, it would appear the dose is not the real thing, but rather a mystical placebo. I can relate. I have taken mundane objects and santified them in my mind -- and used a focus for appreciating nature and the universe -- and I walk away with a cleansed, uplifted, expanded state. Of course maybe my mundane object starting point was not mundane at all -- but holy and sacred as everything. Perhaps the entire universe and all of its contents is holy and sacred and worthy of respect and reverance. Each step is on holy land, each heart a sacred heart. Even if that is a placebo, it is a grand and magnificent one. Or perhaps, reflecting recent posts, there actually is that intense self-referral Love bending back into itself, self sufficient and blazing at the core of everything -- loving each particle of creation far more intensely than we might love back. Then reverence and appreciation of the sacred is not placebo, but a gateway to appreciating reality -- and a process that invokes a real response from the universe -- or that piece of it However, if the part is in the whole and the whole is in the part, this holographic type structure would imply reverence for the part brings a response -- blessings in mystical terms, from the Whole. And reverence for the Whole may bring concentrated blessings to a singular part in our gaze or vicinity. An odd but intriguing side thought: What if each of is an icon used for worship by others in he cosmos. Devas, cells, existence itself. Fits into the intense love the universe has for you -- idea / placebo / fantasy / delusion. And that by pour blessings on you in their offerings and santification of the idol -- they purify and enliven we -- the stone murtis -- upon which they put their loving attention. We of stone become walk, talking enlivened divinity. I suppose this genre could be termed Spiritual Fiction -- akin to Science Fiction. The latter has its value in pondering progress and technological change, ethics and all. SpiFi i guess could also have similar value -- in exploring mystic theses, gut feelings, intuitions and simply speculation about the underlying realities of life and the cosmos. The counter part to trekkie conventions -- hmmm maybe -- Burning Man with shades of Fuiggi and Amma-thons. (And of course a dash of he latter years' Dead Head concerts.) Then again it may be as delusional and temporary as a coke-head believing they are king of the world -- their momentary state being so grand. But I say, if one is going to be deluded, do it in a vast and magnificent way. Go for the gold. Let the universe be a blazing inferno of self-referral intense Love, where the part is the Whole and the Whole is the part. Its not a crazy as thinking a larger granite counter top in ones kitchen will actually bring sustained happiness. (Though per my thesis, the granite counter top could be the placebo that opens up the blazing love of the universe to Ashley an Biff in the upscale gated-community.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: snip The most recent findings I know of are that the face is identical to one of Leonardo's drawings that he made of a cadaver he was studying in one of his pursuits of understanding how the body really worked. Facial recognition software apparently matches them perfectly. Also the head is too small for the body and the picture is bigger at the front than the back, meaning that when the exposure was made (it really appears to be a photograph) they did the front and back seperately and got the wrong distance from the camera obscura in one of them. The most obvious error to me is that it looks like a photo and not like the image would if it had been draped over some- ones head. That would've stretched it and he'd end up looking like an alien - which might start a whole new conspiracy! I saw these guys do a lecture on it that became a docmentary that I can't find a link to: http://www.picknettprince.com/books/turinshroud/turin.htm Fascinating. They say the Shroud image is a perfect match with a Leonardo painting
