[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming
Ann, I'm with Edg on this. I don't think it's wise to mess with the dream state. Let it take it's natural course I say. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Lawson used 'science' like a sledgehammer again: Lucid dreamign is generally associated with higher gamma EEG during REM sleep. Witnessing sleep is associated with higher alpha during sleep, and witnessing dreaming is thought to be associated with higher alpha power during dreaming. In theory, one can have witnessing lucid dreaming also. Of course, *no one* knows what higher alpha or higher gamma actually MEAN. The people conducting the experiments project their own beliefs *onto* these waves, in most cases trying to make them conform to and substantiate their already- present theories. Just as you did above by assuming that higher gamma was somehow better than higher alpha, so of course, TM rules. :-) That said, lucid dreaming, at which I used to be fairly proficient, is very different than the stuff TMers call witnessing sleep or witnessing dream- ing. I would not expect TMers to become very good at lucid dreaming, because doing so involves the use of will and intent. Many of them would not do well with that, because they've been subconsciously convinced by TM dogma for so long that any kind of intention or effort is bad or off the program. Lucid dreaming per se is *not* just waking up in the dream and realizing that you're dreaming. It's *taking control* of the dream, and being able to shape it and morph it however you want. If you don't like the dreamscape you're currently in, Zap! you just exert your will and move to another one. If you don't like the dreampeople or dreamcreatures you're hangin' with, Zap! you just leave them behind as easily as walking out of a boring cocktail party and into the more interesting one across the hall. YOU run a fully lucid dream; the dream doesn't. It can be a lot of fun, especially when you're practicing this stuff along with other people who are also proficient at it. You can arrange to get together in the dream plane, and do so. We used to have regular meetings in the dream plane, and then sit down together afterwards and compare notes. More often than not we would all report the same settings or dreamscapes, and relate the exact same events or conversations that we experienced while dreaming. It was fun, but after a while I grew bored with it and stopped trying to intend lucid dreaming. If it happens (and it still does, from time to time) and I wake up in the dream, I can still control it, and sometimes do, just for fun. But it's no longer a regular practice for me. As for its possible practical uses, the main one I've heard of is in the variant of lucid dreaming known as Tibetan dream yoga. Adepts of that practice feel that being able to control one's dreams is a valuable skill because it can then be used in the Bardo between death and rebirth. They see the Bardo as analogous to the dream plane, and subject to the same exercises in will and intent. If your goal is to move towards the Clear Light and thus (in their belief system) effect a higher rebirth, then the ability to avoid distractions and focus on the Clear Light is useful. As for the notion of paying attention to any spirit guides or anyone/anything you meet in dreaming, I have two words for you: DUMB IDEA. All *sorts* of critters live on the dream plane, and some of them are as good at morphing their appearance and hiding their real intent from you as the best human lucid dreamers. HOW do you know you can trust them? Let me put it this way. If you're comfortable with going to some urban city you've never been in before, like say, the Bronx or tough parts of Detroit, and then walking up to the first person you meet at random, listening to their advice, and then following it as if you'd found some kind of guru, by all means do the same thing in the dream plane. A fool and his body are soon parted. I knew Barry would be chomping at the proverbial bit to get in on this conversation. We all know he considers himself the resident expert on lucid dreaming and the ability to make anything happen while ensconced under his duvet. Perhaps he might like to take a trip to Fairfield to head a ten part course on how to become adept at pioneering your way through the labyrinths of the dream world and achieve great things. Share could put up the promo posters and arrange for a rental hall. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: By the way, lucid dreaming is NOT the same as conscious awareness during the deep sleep state (yoga nidra?) which even I used to experience occasionally on rounding courses
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming
Let dream state take its natural course I say. Pet peeve of mine with people mix up it's and its! From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming Ann, I'm with Edg on this. I don't think it's wise to mess with the dream state. Let it take it's natural course I say. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Lawson used 'science' like a sledgehammer again: Lucid dreamign is generally associated with higher gamma EEG during REM sleep. Witnessing sleep is associated with higher alpha during sleep, and witnessing dreaming is thought to be associated with higher alpha power during dreaming. In theory, one can have witnessing lucid dreaming also. Of course, *no one* knows what higher alpha or higher gamma actually MEAN. The people conducting the experiments project their own beliefs *onto* these waves, in most cases trying to make them conform to and substantiate their already- present theories. Just as you did above by assuming that higher gamma was somehow better than higher alpha, so of course, TM rules. :-) That said, lucid dreaming, at which I used to be fairly proficient, is very different than the stuff TMers call witnessing sleep or witnessing dream- ing. I would not expect TMers to become very good at lucid dreaming, because doing so involves the use of will and intent. Many of them would not do well with that, because they've been subconsciously convinced by TM dogma for so long that any kind of intention or effort is bad or off the program. Lucid dreaming per se is *not* just waking up in the dream and realizing that you're dreaming. It's *taking control* of the dream, and being able to shape it and morph it however you want. If you don't like the dreamscape you're currently in, Zap! you just exert your will and move to another one. If you don't like the dreampeople or dreamcreatures you're hangin' with, Zap! you just leave them behind as easily as walking out of a boring cocktail party and into the more interesting one across the hall. YOU run a fully lucid dream; the dream doesn't. It can be a lot of fun, especially when you're practicing this stuff along with other people who are also proficient at it. You can arrange to get together in the dream plane, and do so. We used to have regular meetings in the dream plane, and then sit down together afterwards and compare notes. More often than not we would all report the same settings or dreamscapes, and relate the exact same events or conversations that we experienced while dreaming. It was fun, but after a while I grew bored with it and stopped trying to intend lucid dreaming. If it happens (and it still does, from time to time) and I wake up in the dream, I can still control it, and sometimes do, just for fun. But it's no longer a regular practice for me. As for its possible practical uses, the main one I've heard of is in the variant of lucid dreaming known as Tibetan dream yoga. Adepts of that practice feel that being able to control one's dreams is a valuable skill because it can then be used in the Bardo between death and rebirth. They see the Bardo as analogous to the dream plane, and subject to the same exercises in will and intent. If your goal is to move towards the Clear Light and thus (in their belief system) effect a higher rebirth, then the ability to avoid distractions and focus on the Clear Light is useful. As for the notion of paying attention to any spirit guides or anyone/anything you meet in dreaming, I have two words for you: DUMB IDEA. All *sorts* of critters live on the dream plane, and some of them are as good at morphing their appearance and hiding their real intent from you as the best human lucid dreamers. HOW do you know you can trust them? Let me put it this way. If you're comfortable with going to some urban city you've never been in before, like say, the Bronx or tough parts of Detroit, and then walking up to the first person you meet at random, listening to their advice, and then following it as if you'd found some kind of guru, by all means do the same thing in the dream plane. A fool and his body are soon parted. I knew Barry would be chomping at the proverbial bit to get in on this conversation. We all know he considers himself the resident expert on lucid dreaming and the ability to make anything happen while ensconced under his duvet. Perhaps he might like to take a trip to Fairfield to head a ten part course on how to become adept at pioneering your way through the labyrinths of the dream
