[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists

2019-07-25 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 Weber defined charisma as "a certain quality of an individual personality by 
virtue of which he is considered extraordinary and treated as endowed with 
supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers . . . 
[that] are regarded as of divine origin." Weber added, however, that the 
leader’s disciples--those who see him as divine--are as much a source of his 
power as are his personal talents, for without them he is nothing (Weber 1968a, 
241-42).

 .
 It is creative and revolutionary, for "in its pure form charisma . . . may be 
said to exist only in the process of originating" (Weber 1964, 364). At the 
other end of the continuum, routinized charisma describes what happens when a 
leader’s charisma is thinly dispersed throughout the followers who act in the 
leader’s name, typically after he has died. It may survive many generations and 
underlie a stable social order, but it is conservative and is not a force for 
social change (Miyahara 1983, 370).
 


 ..
 Along this continuum lie the variants of magical and prophetic charisma. 
Magical charisma is attached to the shaman or magician who is "permanently 
endowed with charisma" (Weber 1968a, 401). Such charisma is basically 
conservative, supporting the customs of the tribe. Prophetic charisma occurs in 
more complex societies and adheres to the prophet who proclaims a divine 
mission or radical political doctrine. This form of charisma leads to 
revolution and social change. Weber regarded the prophet as the prototype for 
other kinds of charismatic leaders (Schweitzer 1984, 32).

 .
 In using charisma to explain social change and heroic leaders, Weber did not 
intend merely to invent a dry academic term. Rather, he saw charisma as 
representing the incarnate life force itself, "the thrust of the sap in the 
tree and the blood in the veins," an elemental or daemonic power (Dow 1978).
 .
 By critical contrast:
 How capitalism captured the mindfulness industry.. The secular technique and 
its relativist lack of a moral foundation has opened itself up to a host of 
dubious uses, called out by its critics as McMindfulness.

 Without a critical account of the social context of neoliberal individualism, 
mindfulness as a practice and discourse focused on the self minimizes social 
critique and change and contributes to keeping existing social injustices and 
inequitable power structures intact. 

There is nothing revolutionary about the so-called Mindful Revolution. Chris 
Goto-Jones says: “The revolution doesn’t require any particular change in 
values or economic systems … For a revolution this movement shows remarkable 
conservatism. The leading voices make no demands on followers. They need not 
become activists or participate in political struggle.” 

 
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/apr/16/how-capitalism-captured-the-mindfulness-industry
 
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/apr/16/how-capitalism-captured-the-mindfulness-industry

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The 40th Anniversary, of the 1979 Amherst course.
  
 Taking from current history, a paraphrasing of a NYTimes article:
 as something like our own TM movement’s annual January 12th meetings of the 
essential group.. 
  
 Paraphrasing..:
  “Facing deepening tensions abroad and anxieties inside, 
 ..using a key anniversary to argue that the recipe of guided growth under 
strong movement control must not waver.
  
 he said,  The first lesson from these 40 years of spiritual regeneration was 
the need to maintain party (Movement) leadership “over all tasks.”
  
 “It was precisely because we’ve adhered to the centralized and united 
leadership of the movement that we were able to achieve this great historic 
transition, said” .. at a pivotal, potentially fraught moment in the movement 
when all the contradictions in its governance appeared in stark relief.
  
 ..as great as that of any leadership in decades, yet the movement’s tightening 
of controls over the organization and ever more aspects of its society suggest 
a deep-seated insecurity at the highest levels.
  
 “Today many policy goals in the Movement are in tension with one another. 
Which ones take precedence? This is what officials will need to know to carry 
out their work on a practical level.”
  
 Some had been hoping for signals that the leadership would take further steps 
to liberalize the movement or ease tensions with its membership.”
  
 Jai Guru Dev
  
 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/world/asia/xi-jinping-speech-china.html 
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/world/asia/xi-jinping-speech-china.html
  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A Spiritual Regenerative Movement (SRM) in the TM.org?  
 Is the TM movement currently transformational as regenerative, reform, or 
revolution?  

 A Consideration,
 TM as Revolutionary Millenarian:
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists

2019-06-26 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 By critical contrast:
 How capitalism captured the mindfulness industry.. The secular technique and 
its relativist lack of a moral foundation has opened itself up to a host of 
dubious uses, called out by its critics as McMindfulness.

 Without a critical account of the social context of neoliberal individualism, 
mindfulness as a practice and discourse focused on the self minimizes social 
critique and change and contributes to keeping existing social injustices and 
inequitable power structures intact. 

There is nothing revolutionary about the so-called Mindful Revolution. Chris 
Goto-Jones says: “The revolution doesn’t require any particular change in 
values or economic systems … For a revolution this movement shows remarkable 
conservatism. The leading voices make no demands on followers. They need not 
become activists or participate in political struggle.” 

 
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/apr/16/how-capitalism-captured-the-mindfulness-industry
 
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/apr/16/how-capitalism-captured-the-mindfulness-industry

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The 40th Anniversary, of the 1979 Amherst course.
  
 Taking from current history, a paraphrasing of a NYTimes article:
 as something like our own TM movement’s annual January 12th meetings of the 
essential group.. 
  
 Paraphrasing..:
  “Facing deepening tensions abroad and anxieties inside, 
 ..using a key anniversary to argue that the recipe of guided growth under 
strong movement control must not waver.
  
 he said,  The first lesson from these 40 years of spiritual regeneration was 
the need to maintain party (Movement) leadership “over all tasks.”
  
 “It was precisely because we’ve adhered to the centralized and united 
leadership of the movement that we were able to achieve this great historic 
transition, said” .. at a pivotal, potentially fraught moment in the movement 
when all the contradictions in its governance appeared in stark relief.
  
 ..as great as that of any leadership in decades, yet the movement’s tightening 
of controls over the organization and ever more aspects of its society suggest 
a deep-seated insecurity at the highest levels.
  
 “Today many policy goals in the Movement are in tension with one another. 
Which ones take precedence? This is what officials will need to know to carry 
out their work on a practical level.”
  
 Some had been hoping for signals that the leadership would take further steps 
to liberalize the movement or ease tensions with its membership.”
  
 Jai Guru Dev
  
 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/world/asia/xi-jinping-speech-china.html 
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/world/asia/xi-jinping-speech-china.html
  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A Spiritual Regenerative Movement (SRM) in the TM.org?  
 Is the TM movement currently transformational as regenerative, reform, or 
revolution?  

 A Consideration,
 TM as Revolutionary Millenarian:
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U

 

 Revolution does not have to be violent to be revolutionary. Different than 
fomenting violent revolution Maharishi was about peace and he worked in a long 
career on improving people’s lives on earth..
 

 What Mao, (as paraphrased) could have said to meditators in transcendentalist 
revolution..
 To meditators:
 "The force at the core leading our cause forward is the Transcendental 
Meditation Movement. The theoretical basis guiding our spiritual experience and 
thinking is the Meissner Effect, the ME, found in Natural Law and our 
manifestly Self-evident experience meditating.

 If there is to be revolution, there must be a revolutionary meditating 
movement. Without a revolutionary meditating movement, without a movement built 
on the scientific and revolutionary theory of the ME and group meditation and 
in the style of science and spiritual experience of the Unified Field, it is 
impossible to lead the practicing meditator and the broad groupings of the 
meditators everywhere against the entrenched forces of reductionist 
materialism, of deconstructionism and their running-dogs.:

 

 
 Revolutionaries, where it has happened and where revolution has brought change 
in broader status quo for humanity it is interesting in study to look at and 
hear how they said it, how they said it, led it, and acted it out such that 
they compelled and led broader societal change.  
 

 Like looking back at Mao’s quotations, the little red book, to seeing what/how 
he said that resonated a people then.   
 

 While Mao (or Castro either) is not in the tradition of transcendentalists, 
 A Study of what Mao could have said to meditators in his Maoist way.. 
 Link to a leadership mash-up of Mao’s quotations and transcendental 
meditationist revolution..
 A mash-up of, 
   
 Mao and Maharishi:
 

 Now folded in to one 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists

2018-12-18 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The 40th Anniversary, of the 1979 Amherst course.
  
 Taking from current history, a paraphrasing of a NYTimes article:
 as something like our own TM movement’s annual January 12th meetings of the 
essential group.. 
  
 Paraphrasing..:
  “Facing deepening tensions abroad and anxieties inside, 
 ..using a key anniversary to argue that the recipe of guided growth under 
strong movement control must not waver.
  
 he said,  The first lesson from these 40 years of spiritual regeneration was 
the need to maintain party (Movement) leadership “over all tasks.”
  
 “It was precisely because we’ve adhered to the centralized and united 
leadership of the movement that we were able to achieve this great historic 
transition, said” .. at a pivotal, potentially fraught moment in the movement 
when all the contradictions in its governance appeared in stark relief.
  
 ..as great as that of any leadership in decades, yet the movement’s tightening 
of controls over the organization and ever more aspects of its society suggest 
a deep-seated insecurity at the highest levels.
  
 “Today many policy goals in the Movement are in tension with one another. 
Which ones take precedence? This is what officials will need to know to carry 
out their work on a practical level.”
  
 Some had been hoping for signals that the leadership would take further steps 
to liberalize the movement or ease tensions with its membership.”
  
 Jai Guru Dev
  
 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/world/asia/xi-jinping-speech-china.html 
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/world/asia/xi-jinping-speech-china.html
  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A Spiritual Regenerative Movement (SRM) in the TM.org?  
 Is the TM movement currently transformational as regenerative, reform, or 
revolution?  

 A Consideration,
 TM as Revolutionary Millenarian:
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U

 

 Revolution does not have to be violent to be revolutionary. Different than 
fomenting violent revolution Maharishi was about peace and he worked in a long 
career on improving people’s lives on earth..
 

 What Mao, (as paraphrased) could have said to meditators in transcendentalist 
revolution..
 To meditators:
 "The force at the core leading our cause forward is the Transcendental 
Meditation Movement. The theoretical basis guiding our spiritual experience and 
thinking is the Meissner Effect, the ME, found in Natural Law and our 
manifestly Self-evident experience meditating.

 If there is to be revolution, there must be a revolutionary meditating 
movement. Without a revolutionary meditating movement, without a movement built 
on the scientific and revolutionary theory of the ME and group meditation and 
in the style of science and spiritual experience of the Unified Field, it is 
impossible to lead the practicing meditator and the broad groupings of the 
meditators everywhere against the entrenched forces of reductionist 
materialism, of deconstructionism and their running-dogs.:

 

 
 Revolutionaries, where it has happened and where revolution has brought change 
in broader status quo for humanity it is interesting in study to look at and 
hear how they said it, how they said it, led it, and acted it out such that 
they compelled and led broader societal change.  
 

 Like looking back at Mao’s quotations, the little red book, to seeing what/how 
he said that resonated a people then.   
 

 While Mao (or Castro either) is not in the tradition of transcendentalists, 
 A Study of what Mao could have said to meditators in his Maoist way.. 
 Link to a leadership mash-up of Mao’s quotations and transcendental 
meditationist revolution..
 A mash-up of, 
   
 Mao and Maharishi:
 

 Now folded in to one millenarian-ist revolutionary's quotation book,
 See -isms Paraphrased in to TM:
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/qAs9ROcD8Ro
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/qAs9ROcD8Ro
 

 ..
 Castro, Another of 20th Century’s large revolutionaries drops the body..  
Castro and Cuban revolution have been in the background of my whole life. It is 
interesting to read the obits today for Castro and recall the decades. 

 

 NPR has sound clip samplings of Castro speeches over the years to hear along 
with their NPR webpage obit.  Again, though not an overt transcendentalist like 
in is this thread, 
 one can kind of ‘hear’ his leadership charisma in the clips.  No doubt you had 
to be there, like being there with Maharishi. 
 

 Sound clips, scroll further down the NPR piece
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/26/6631562/former-cuban-leader-fidel-castro-dies-at-age-90
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/26/6631562/former-cuban-leader-fidel-castro-dies-at-age-90
 


 .
 "I’m at peace with myself and the universe. One can’t but come closer to God or
Heaven than to merge oneself with the universal 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists

2018-03-12 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
A Spiritual Regenerative Movement (SRM) in the TM.org?  
 Is the TM movement currently transformational as regenerative, reform, or 
revolution?  

 Consideration,
 TM as Revolutionary Millenarian:
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U

 

 Revolution does not have to be violent to be revolutionary. Different than 
fomenting violent revolution Maharishi was about peace and he worked in a long 
career on improving people’s lives on earth..
 

 What Mao, as paraphrased (could have said) to meditators in transcendentalist 
revolution..
 The force at the core leading our cause forward is the Transcendental 
Meditation Movement. The theoretical basis guiding our spiritual experience and 
thinking is the Meissner Effect, the ME, found in Natural Law and our 
manifestly Self-evident experience meditating.

 If there is to be revolution, there must be a revolutionary meditating 
movement. Without a revolutionary meditating movement, without a movement built 
on the scientific and revolutionary theory of the ME and group meditation and 
in the style of science and spiritual experience of the Unified Field, it is 
impossible to lead the practicing meditator and the broad groupings of the 
meditators everywhere against the entrenched forces of reductionist 
materialism, of deconstructionism and their running-dogs.

 

 
 Revolutionaries, where it has happened and where revolution has brought change 
in broader status quo for humanity it is interesting in study to look at and 
hear how they said it, how they said it, led it, and acted it out such that 
they compelled and led broader societal change.  
 

 Like looking back at Mao’s quotations, the little red book, to seeing what/how 
he said that resonated a people then.   
 

 While Mao (or Castro either) is not in the tradition of transcendentalists, 
 A Study of what Mao could have said to meditators in his Maoist way.. 
 Link to a leadership mash-up of Mao’s quotations and transcendental 
meditationist revolution..
 A mash-up of,   
 Mao and Maharishi:
 Now folded in to one millenarian-ist revolutionary's quotation book,
 -isms Paraphrased:
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/qAs9ROcD8Ro
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/qAs9ROcD8Ro
 

 ..
 

 Castro, Another of 20th Century’s large revolutionaries drops the body..  
Castro and Cuban revolution have been in the background of my whole life. It is 
interesting to read the obits today for Castro and recall the decades. 

 

 NPR has sound clip samplings of Castro speeches over the years to hear along 
with their NPR webpage obit.  Again, though not an overt transcendentalist like 
in is this thread, 
 one can kind of ‘hear’ his leadership charisma in the clips.  No doubt you had 
to be there, like being there with Maharishi. 
 

 Sound clips, scroll further down the NPR piece
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/26/6631562/former-cuban-leader-fidel-castro-dies-at-age-90
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/26/6631562/former-cuban-leader-fidel-castro-dies-at-age-90
 


 .
 "I’m at peace with myself and the universe. One can’t but come closer to God or
Heaven than to merge oneself with the universal order of things—to become, as it
were, one with all of space and time. " Dr Robert Lanza

 “If we measure our individual forces against hers [nature’s], we may easily 
feel as
if we were the sport of an insuperable destiny. But if, instead of identifying
ourselves with the work, we feel that the soul of the workman streams through 
us, we
shall find the peace of the morning dwelling first in our hearts, and the 
fathomless
powers of gravity and chemistry, and, over them, of life, pre-existing within 
us in
their highest form.” Ralph Waldo Emerson 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Waging radical peace, The SRM (The Spiritual Regeneration Movement) would be 
revolutionary.. A corollary discussion drawing on definition..
 Using Foster's Critique of revolutionary movements to consider 
 Transcendental Meditation (TM) in the 20th Century.  
 See thread: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U
 

 
 Anyone who will effectively meditate according to what the best of modern 
science is correlating, anyone practicing an effective transcending meditation 
is of their own weight a radical, a free radical revolutionary. -JaiGuruYou 

 Well, like an old battle cruiser that had been left with a skeleton crew 
decommissioned by bureaucrats the likes of Bevan and Neil the old ship is in 
re-fit right now.  Gone from speeds of just 200 a month being taught meditation 
before 2006 whence the old ship was discovered then in inventory at anchor 
unattended to, then bringing in and putting John Hagelin in charge 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists

2016-12-16 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Revolution does not have to be violent to be revolutionary. Different than 
fomenting violent revolution Maharishi was about peace and he worked in a long 
career on improving people’s lives on earth..
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What Mao paraphrased,could have said to meditators in transcendentalist 
revolution..
 The force at the core leading our cause forward is the Transcendental 
Meditation Movement. The theoretical basis guiding our spiritual experience and 
thinking is the Meissner Effect, the ME, found in Natural Law and our 
manifestly Self-evident experience meditating.

 If there is to be revolution, there must be a revolutionary meditating 
movement. Without a revolutionary meditating movement, without a movement built 
on the scientific and revolutionary theory of the ME and group meditation and 
in the style of science and spiritual experience of the Unified Field, it is 
impossible to lead the practicing meditator and the broad groupings of the 
meditators everywhere against the entrenched forces of reductionist 
materialism, of deconstructionism and their running-dogs.

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Revolutionaries, where it has happened and where revolution has brought change 
in broader status quo for humanity it is interesting study to look at and hear 
how they said it, how they said it and acted it out such that they compelled 
and led broader societal change.  
 

 Like looking back at Mao’s quotations, the little red book, to seeing what/how 
he said that resonated a people then.   
 

 While Mao (or Castro either) is not in the tradition of transcendentalists, 
 A Study of what Mao could have said to meditators in his Maoist way.. 
 Link to a leadership mash-up of Mao’s quotations and transcendental 
meditationist revolution..
 A mash-up of,   
 Mao and Maharishi:
 Now folded in to one millenarian-ist revolutionary's quotation book,
 -isms Paraphrased:
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/qAs9ROcD8Ro
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/qAs9ROcD8Ro
 

 ..
 

 Another of 20th Century’s large revolutionaries passes..  Castro and Cuban 
revolution have been in the background of my whole life. It is interesting to 
read the obits today for Castro and recall the decades. 

 

 NPR has sound clip samplings of Castro speeches over the years to hear along 
with their webpage obit.  Again, though not an overt transcendentalist like in 
is this thread, 
 one can kind of ‘hear’ his leadership charisma in the clips.  No doubt you had 
to be there, like with Maharishi. 
 

 Sound clips, scroll further down the NPR piece
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/26/6631562/former-cuban-leader-fidel-castro-dies-at-age-90
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/26/6631562/former-cuban-leader-fidel-castro-dies-at-age-90
 


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "I’m at peace with myself and the universe. One can’t but come closer to God or
Heaven than to merge oneself with the universal order of things—to become, as it
were, one with all of space and time. " Dr Robert Lanza

 “If we measure our individual forces against hers [nature’s], we may easily 
feel as
if we were the sport of an insuperable destiny. But if, instead of identifying
ourselves with the work, we feel that the soul of the workman streams through 
us, we
shall find the peace of the morning dwelling first in our hearts, and the 
fathomless
powers of gravity and chemistry, and, over them, of life, pre-existing within 
us in
their highest form.” Ralph Waldo Emerson 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Waging radical peace, The SRM (The Spiritual Regeneration Movement) would be 
revolutionary.. A corollary discussion drawing on definition..
 Using Foster's Critique of revolutionary movements to consider 
 Transcendental Meditation (TM) in the 20th Century.  
 See thread: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Anyone who will effectively meditate according to what the best of modern 
science is correlating, anyone practicing an effective transcending meditation 
is of their own weight a radical, a free radical revolutionary. -JaiGuruYou 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Well, like an old battle cruiser that had been left with a skeleton crew 
decommissioned by bureaucrats the likes of Bevan and Neil the old ship is in 
re-fit right now.  Gone from speeds of just 200 a month being taught meditation 
before 2006 whence the old ship was discovered then in inventory at anchor 
unattended to, then bringing in and putting John Hagelin in charge in concert 
with David Lynch along 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists

2016-11-30 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
What Mao,could have said to meditators in transcendentalist revolution..
 The force at the core leading our cause forward is the Transcendental 
Meditation Movement. The theoretical basis guiding our spiritual experience and 
thinking is the Meissner Effect, the ME, found in Natural Law and our 
manifestly Self-evident experience meditating.

 If there is to be revolution, there must be a revolutionary meditating 
movement. Without a revolutionary meditating movement, without a movement built 
on the scientific and revolutionary theory of the ME and group meditation and 
in the style of science and spiritual experience of the Unified Field, it is 
impossible to lead the practicing meditator and the broad groupings of the 
meditators everywhere against the entrenched forces of reductionist 
materialism, of deconstructionism and their running-dogs.

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Revolutionaries, where it has happened and where revolution has brought change 
in broader status quo for humanity it is interesting study to look at and hear 
how they said it, how they said it and acted it out such that they compelled 
and led broader societal change.  
 

 Like looking back at Mao’s quotations, the little red book, to see what/how he 
said that resonated a people then.   
 

 While Mao is not in the tradition of transcendentalists, 
 A Study of what Mao could have said to meditators in his Maoist way.. 
 Link to a leadership mash-up of Mao’s quotations and transcendental 
meditationist revolution..   
 Mao and Maharishi:
 Now folded in to one millenarian-ist revolutionary's quotation book,
 -isms Paraphrased:
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/qAs9ROcD8Ro
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/qAs9ROcD8Ro
 

 

 Another of 20th Century’s large revolutionaries passes..  Castro and Cuban 
revolution have been in the background of my whole life. It is interesting to 
read the obits today for Castro and recall the decades. 

 

 NPR has sound clip samplings of Castro speeches over the years to hear along 
with their webpage obit.  Again, though not an overt transcendentalist like in 
is this thread, 
 one can kind of ‘hear’ his leadership charisma in the clips.  No doubt you had 
to be there, like with Maharishi. 
 

 Sound clips, scroll further down the NPR piece
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/26/6631562/former-cuban-leader-fidel-castro-dies-at-age-90
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/26/6631562/former-cuban-leader-fidel-castro-dies-at-age-90
 


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "I’m at peace with myself and the universe. One can’t but come closer to God or
Heaven than to merge oneself with the universal order of things—to become, as it
were, one with all of space and time. " Dr Robert Lanza

 “If we measure our individual forces against hers [nature’s], we may easily 
feel as
if we were the sport of an insuperable destiny. But if, instead of identifying
ourselves with the work, we feel that the soul of the workman streams through 
us, we
shall find the peace of the morning dwelling first in our hearts, and the 
fathomless
powers of gravity and chemistry, and, over them, of life, pre-existing within 
us in
their highest form.” Ralph Waldo Emerson 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Waging radical peace, The SRM (The Spiritual Regeneration Movement) would be 
revolutionary.. A corollary discussion drawing on definition..
 Using Foster's Critique of revolutionary movements to consider 
 Transcendental Meditation (TM) in the 20th Century.  
 See thread: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Anyone who will effectively meditate according to what the best of modern 
science is correlating, anyone practicing an effective transcending meditation 
is of their own weight a radical, a free radical revolutionary. -JaiGuruYou 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Well, like an old battle cruiser that had been left with a skeleton crew 
decommissioned by bureaucrats the likes of Bevan and Neil the old ship is in 
re-fit right now.  Gone from speeds of just 200 a month being taught meditation 
before 2006 whence the old ship was discovered then in inventory at anchor 
unattended to, then bringing in and putting John Hagelin in charge in concert 
with David Lynch along with other capable old field teachers in the old ship is 
being brought on line again.  It is up to speeds of about 2000 new meditators a 
month or better speeds now in tests in the US.   
 Like the old Shaker tune,
 Old Ship of Zion
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZrj0BocV4U 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZrj0BocV4U
 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists

2016-11-27 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 Revolutionaries, where it has happened and where revolution has brought change 
in broader status quo for humanity it is interesting study to look at and hear 
how they said it, how they said it and acted it out such that they compelled 
and led broader societal change.  Like looking back at Mao’s quotations, the 
little red book, to see what he said that resonated a people then.   
 

 While Mao is not in the tradition of transcendentalists, 
 Study what Mao could have said to meditators in his Maoist way.. 
 A link to a leadership mash-up of Mao’s quotations and transcendental 
meditationist revolution..   
 Mao and Maharishi:
 Now folded in to one millenarian-ist revolutionary's quotation book,
 -isms Paraphrased:
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/qAs9ROcD8Ro
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/qAs9ROcD8Ro
 

 

 Another of 20th Century’s large revolutionaries passes..  Castro and Cuban 
revolution have been in the background of my whole life. It is interesting to 
read the obits today for Castro and recall the decades. 

 

 NPR has sound clip samplings of Castro speeches over the years to hear along 
with their webpage obit.  Again, though not an overt transcendentalist like in 
is this thread, 
 one can kind of ‘hear’ his leadership charisma in the clips.  No doubt you had 
to be there, like with Maharishi. 
 

 Sound clips, scroll further down the NPR piece
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/26/6631562/former-cuban-leader-fidel-castro-dies-at-age-90
 
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/26/6631562/former-cuban-leader-fidel-castro-dies-at-age-90
 


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "I’m at peace with myself and the universe. One can’t but come closer to God or
Heaven than to merge oneself with the universal order of things—to become, as it
were, one with all of space and time. " Dr Robert Lanza

 “If we measure our individual forces against hers [nature’s], we may easily 
feel as
if we were the sport of an insuperable destiny. But if, instead of identifying
ourselves with the work, we feel that the soul of the workman streams through 
us, we
shall find the peace of the morning dwelling first in our hearts, and the 
fathomless
powers of gravity and chemistry, and, over them, of life, pre-existing within 
us in
their highest form.” Ralph Waldo Emerson 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Waging radical peace, The SRM (The Spiritual Regeneration Movement) would be 
revolutionary.. A corollary discussion drawing on definition..
 Using Foster's Critique of revolutionary movements to consider 
 Transcendental Meditation (TM) in the 20th Century.  
 See thread: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Anyone who will effectively meditate according to what the best of modern 
science is correlating, anyone practicing an effective transcending meditation 
is of their own weight a radical, a free radical revolutionary. -JaiGuruYou 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Well, like an old battle cruiser that had been left with a skeleton crew 
decommissioned by bureaucrats the likes of Bevan and Neil the old ship is in 
re-fit right now.  Gone from speeds of just 200 a month being taught meditation 
before 2006 whence the old ship was discovered then in inventory at anchor 
unattended to, then bringing in and putting John Hagelin in charge in concert 
with David Lynch along with other capable old field teachers in the old ship is 
being brought on line again.  It is up to speeds of about 2000 new meditators a 
month or better speeds now in tests in the US.   
 Like the old Shaker tune,
 Old Ship of Zion
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZrj0BocV4U 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZrj0BocV4U
 

 

 What ship is this that will take us all home, 
O glory, hallelujah!
And safely land us on Canaan's bright shore?
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)
'Tis the old ship of Zion, hallelu, hallelu;
'Tis the old ship of Zion, hallelujah!

The winds may blow, and the billows may foam,
O glory, hallelujah!
But she is able to land us all home, 
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)

She landed all who have gone before, 
O glory, hallelujah!
And she is able to land still more,
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)

If I arrive there, then, before you do,
O glory, hallelujah!
I'll tell them all that you are coming up, too.
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)
 

 
 Thx, sorry but I don't get "it" - the scenario you're describing.  After 1975, 
the TM Movement suffered a precipitous decline in initiation numbers and by 
your own accout, there's only a few hundred initiations per year.
 While it's true that a revolution is going on on growing numbers of 
self-styled 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists

2016-11-21 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
"I’m at peace with myself and the universe. One can’t but come closer to God or
Heaven than to merge oneself with the universal order of things—to become, as it
were, one with all of space and time. " Dr Robert Lanza

 “If we measure our individual forces against hers [nature’s], we may easily 
feel as
if we were the sport of an insuperable destiny. But if, instead of identifying
ourselves with the work, we feel that the soul of the workman streams through 
us, we
shall find the peace of the morning dwelling first in our hearts, and the 
fathomless
powers of gravity and chemistry, and, over them, of life, pre-existing within 
us in
their highest form.” Ralph Waldo Emerson 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Waging radical peace, The SRM (The Spiritual Regeneration Movement) would be 
revolutionary.. A corollary discussion drawing on definition..
 Using Foster's Critique of revolutionary movements to consider 
 Transcendental Meditation (TM) in the 20th Century.  
 See thread: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Anyone who will effectively meditate according to what the best of modern 
science is correlating, anyone practicing an effective transcending meditation 
is of their own weight a radical, a free radical revolutionary. -JaiGuruYou 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Well, like an old battle cruiser that had been left with a skeleton crew 
decommissioned by bureaucrats the likes of Bevan and Neil the old ship is in 
re-fit right now.  Gone from speeds of just 200 a month being taught meditation 
before 2006 whence the old ship was discovered then in inventory at anchor 
unattended to, then bringing in and putting John Hagelin in charge in concert 
with David Lynch along with other capable old field teachers in the old ship is 
being brought on line again.  It is up to speeds of about 2000 new meditators a 
month or better speeds now in tests in the US.   
 Like the old Shaker tune,
 Old Ship of Zion
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZrj0BocV4U 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZrj0BocV4U
 

 

 What ship is this that will take us all home, 
O glory, hallelujah!
And safely land us on Canaan's bright shore?
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)
'Tis the old ship of Zion, hallelu, hallelu;
'Tis the old ship of Zion, hallelujah!

The winds may blow, and the billows may foam,
O glory, hallelujah!
But she is able to land us all home, 
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)

She landed all who have gone before, 
O glory, hallelujah!
And she is able to land still more,
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)

If I arrive there, then, before you do,
O glory, hallelujah!
I'll tell them all that you are coming up, too.
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)
 

 
 Thx, sorry but I don't get "it" - the scenario you're describing.  After 1975, 
the TM Movement suffered a precipitous decline in initiation numbers and by 
your own accout, there's only a few hundred initiations per year.
 While it's true that a revolution is going on on growing numbers of 
self-styled "Spiritual" but non-religious people, I see no ground swell of 
meditating Transcendentalists.  If anything, Mindfulness is increasingly 
supplanting TM in numbers.
 But overall, there are countless millions more religious Fundamentalists than 
Transcendentalists, and this has been the case since the middle of the 19-th 
Century when Methodism became a dominant  religion.  In recent decades, the 
numbers of nominal Catholics has declined with growing numbers of "lapsed 
Catholics" and the Evangelicals supplanting the mainstream branches.
 But still no evidence of more TM Initiations.  Such numbers are shrinking 
to almost zero.
 The best strategy may be for the remnant leaders of the TMO to become 
Mindfulness teachers and ride that wave of popularity.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Revolutionary, the whole series of large format publications using the 
Heidelberg color presses is testament to revolution.   The earliest color 
productions to come off the Heidelbergs, the embossed tan covered color MIU 
Catalog with the embossed cover logo was about revolution.  That book which in 
production Maharishi poured over every word, sentence and aspect of layout was 
way more than idealism, it was revolution.  
 

 Here is the mission taken from that book of Maharishi’s
 

  “We will count ourselves successful only when the problems of Today's world 
are substantially reduced and eventually eliminated and the educational 
institutions of every country are capable of producing fully developed 
citizens.”
 

 -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, from the founding Catalog of Maharishi International 
University, 1974
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists

2016-11-07 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The SRM (The Spiritual Regeneration Movement) would be revolutionary.. A 
corollary discussion drawing on definition..
 Using Foster's Critique of revolutionary movements to consider 
 Transcendental Meditation (TM) in the 20th Century.  
 See thread: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/communal-studies-forum/1di3VYUG13U
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Anyone who will effectively meditate according to what the best of modern 
science is correlating, anyone practicing an effective transcending meditation 
is of their own weight a radical, a free radical revolutionary. -JaiGuruYou 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Well, like an old battle cruiser that had been left with a skeleton crew 
decommissioned by bureaucrats the likes of Bevan and Neil the old ship is in 
re-fit right now.  Gone from speeds of just 200 a month being taught meditation 
before 2006 whence the old ship was discovered then in inventory at anchor 
unattended to, then bringing in and putting John Hagelin in charge in concert 
with David Lynch along with other capable old field teachers in the old ship is 
being brought on line again.  It is up to speeds of about 2000 new meditators a 
month or better speeds now in tests in the US.   
 Like the old Shaker tune,
 Old Ship of Zion
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZrj0BocV4U 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZrj0BocV4U
 

 

 What ship is this that will take us all home, 
O glory, hallelujah!
And safely land us on Canaan's bright shore?
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)
'Tis the old ship of Zion, hallelu, hallelu;
'Tis the old ship of Zion, hallelujah!

The winds may blow, and the billows may foam,
O glory, hallelujah!
But she is able to land us all home, 
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)

She landed all who have gone before, 
O glory, hallelujah!
And she is able to land still more,
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)

If I arrive there, then, before you do,
O glory, hallelujah!
I'll tell them all that you are coming up, too.
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)
 

 
 Thx, sorry but I don't get "it" - the scenario you're describing.  After 1975, 
the TM Movement suffered a precipitous decline in initiation numbers and by 
your own accout, there's only a few hundred initiations per year.
 While it's true that a revolution is going on on growing numbers of 
self-styled "Spiritual" but non-religious people, I see no ground swell of 
meditating Transcendentalists.  If anything, Mindfulness is increasingly 
supplanting TM in numbers.
 But overall, there are countless millions more religious Fundamentalists than 
Transcendentalists, and this has been the case since the middle of the 19-th 
Century when Methodism became a dominant  religion.  In recent decades, the 
numbers of nominal Catholics has declined with growing numbers of "lapsed 
Catholics" and the Evangelicals supplanting the mainstream branches.
 But still no evidence of more TM Initiations.  Such numbers are shrinking 
to almost zero.
 The best strategy may be for the remnant leaders of the TMO to become 
Mindfulness teachers and ride that wave of popularity.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Revolutionary, the whole series of large format publications using the 
Heidelberg color presses is testament to revolution.   The earliest color 
productions to come off the Heidelbergs, the embossed tan covered color MIU 
Catalog with the embossed cover logo was about revolution.  That book which in 
production Maharishi poured over every word, sentence and aspect of layout was 
way more than idealism, it was revolution.  
 

 Here is the mission taken from that book of Maharishi’s
 

  “We will count ourselves successful only when the problems of Today's world 
are substantially reduced and eventually eliminated and the educational 
institutions of every country are capable of producing fully developed 
citizens.”
 

 -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, from the founding Catalog of Maharishi International 
University, 1974
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Folks can soft sell him and call him an idealist but he was a revolutionary 
plain, expecting and not just waiting idle for the change of broad 
transformation.  His own life worked at it and led it in so many ways.  There 
was a deep consistency to his life and that was all about ‘revolution’. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, as a Transcendentalist in fact he was a radical.  Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
plainly was one of the large revolutionaries of the last half of the 20th 
Century and early 21st.  From the time of his leaving India in the 1950’s he 
was systematically looking to affect radical change from the norm. Through the 
whole time of his travels he was looking the whole way along to bring 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists

2016-11-06 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Anyone who will effectively meditate according to what the best of modern 
science is correlating, anyone practicing an effective transcending meditation 
is of their own weight a radical, a free radical revolutionary. -JaiGuruYou 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Well, like an old battle cruiser that had been left with a skeleton crew 
decommissioned by bureaucrats the likes of Bevan and Neil the old ship is in 
re-fit right now.  Gone from speeds of just 200 a month being taught meditation 
before 2006 whence the old ship was discovered then in inventory at anchor 
unattended to, then bringing in and putting John Hagelin in charge in concert 
with David Lynch along with other capable old field teachers in the old ship is 
being brought on line again.  It is up to speeds of about 2000 new meditators a 
month or better speeds now in tests in the US.   
 Like the old Shaker tune,
 Old Ship of Zion
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZrj0BocV4U 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZrj0BocV4U
 

 

 What ship is this that will take us all home, 
O glory, hallelujah!
And safely land us on Canaan's bright shore?
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)
'Tis the old ship of Zion, hallelu, hallelu;
'Tis the old ship of Zion, hallelujah!

The winds may blow, and the billows may foam,
O glory, hallelujah!
But she is able to land us all home, 
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)

She landed all who have gone before, 
O glory, hallelujah!
And she is able to land still more,
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)

If I arrive there, then, before you do,
O glory, hallelujah!
I'll tell them all that you are coming up, too.
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)
 

 
 Thx, sorry but I don't get "it" - the scenario you're describing.  After 1975, 
the TM Movement suffered a precipitous decline in initiation numbers and by 
your own accout, there's only a few hundred initiations per year.
 While it's true that a revolution is going on on growing numbers of 
self-styled "Spiritual" but non-religious people, I see no ground swell of 
meditating Transcendentalists.  If anything, Mindfulness is increasingly 
supplanting TM in numbers.
 But overall, there are countless millions more religious Fundamentalists than 
Transcendentalists, and this has been the case since the middle of the 19-th 
Century when Methodism became a dominant  religion.  In recent decades, the 
numbers of nominal Catholics has declined with growing numbers of "lapsed 
Catholics" and the Evangelicals supplanting the mainstream branches.
 But still no evidence of more TM Initiations.  Such numbers are shrinking 
to almost zero.
 The best strategy may be for the remnant leaders of the TMO to become 
Mindfulness teachers and ride that wave of popularity.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Revolutionary, the whole series of large format publications using the 
Heidelberg color presses is testament to revolution.   The earliest color 
productions to come off the Heidelbergs, the embossed tan covered color MIU 
Catalog with the embossed cover logo was about revolution.  That book which in 
production Maharishi poured over every word, sentence and aspect of layout was 
way more than idealism, it was revolution.  
 

 Here is the mission taken from that book of Maharishi’s
 

  “We will count ourselves successful only when the problems of Today's world 
are substantially reduced and eventually eliminated and the educational 
institutions of every country are capable of producing fully developed 
citizens.”
 

 -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, from the founding Catalog of Maharishi International 
University, 1974
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Folks can soft sell him and call him an idealist but he was a revolutionary 
plain, expecting and not just waiting idle for the change of broad 
transformation.  His own life worked at it and led it in so many ways.  There 
was a deep consistency to his life and that was all about ‘revolution’. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, as a Transcendentalist in fact he was a radical.  Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
plainly was one of the large revolutionaries of the last half of the 20th 
Century and early 21st.  From the time of his leaving India in the 1950’s he 
was systematically looking to affect radical change from the norm. Through the 
whole time of his travels he was looking the whole way along to bring in to 
effect complete transformation in society, a change from the norm and expecting 
it.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Transcendentalism, ..has the power to transform lives, 
The power to transform..  But at face value, ever since Maharishi left India in 
the 1950’s he seems to have been about revolution as these transcendentalism 
definitions say it too. Transformation.  He did everything inciting revolution 
in the world: Spiritual [SRM], 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists

2016-11-05 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 Well, like an old battle cruiser that had been left with a skeleton crew 
decommissioned by bureaucrats the likes of Bevan and Neil the old ship is in 
re-fit right now.  Gone from speeds of just 200 a month being taught meditation 
before 2006 whence the old ship was discovered then in inventory at anchor 
unattended to, then bringing in and putting John Hagelin in charge in concert 
with David Lynch along with other capable old field teachers in the old ship is 
being brought on line again.  It is up to speeds of about 2000 new meditators a 
month or better speeds now in tests in the US.   
 Like the old Shaker tune,
 Old Ship of Zion
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZrj0BocV4U 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZrj0BocV4U
 

 

 What ship is this that will take us all home, 
O glory, hallelujah!
And safely land us on Canaan's bright shore?
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)
'Tis the old ship of Zion, hallelu, hallelu;
'Tis the old ship of Zion, hallelujah!

The winds may blow, and the billows may foam,
O glory, hallelujah!
But she is able to land us all home, 
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)

She landed all who have gone before, 
O glory, hallelujah!
And she is able to land still more,
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)

If I arrive there, then, before you do,
O glory, hallelujah!
I'll tell them all that you are coming up, too.
O glory, hallelujah!

(refrain)
 

 
 Thx, sorry but I don't get "it" - the scenario you're describing.  After 1975, 
the TM Movement suffered a precipitous decline in initiation numbers and by 
your own accout, there's only a few hundred initiations per year.
 While it's true that a revolution is going on on growing numbers of 
self-styled "Spiritual" but non-religious people, I see no ground swell of 
meditating Transcendentalists.  If anything, Mindfulness is increasingly 
supplanting TM in numbers.
 But overall, there are countless millions more religious Fundamentalists than 
Transcendentalists, and this has been the case since the middle of the 19-th 
Century when Methodism became a dominant  religion.  In recent decades, the 
numbers of nominal Catholics has declined with growing numbers of "lapsed 
Catholics" and the Evangelicals supplanting the mainstream branches.
 But still no evidence of more TM Initiations.  Such numbers are shrinking 
to almost zero.
 The best strategy may be for the remnant leaders of the TMO to become 
Mindfulness teachers and ride that wave of popularity.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Revolutionary, the whole series of large format publications using the 
Heidelberg color presses is testament to revolution.   The earliest color 
productions to come off the Heidelbergs, the embossed tan covered color MIU 
Catalog with the embossed cover logo was about revolution.  That book which in 
production Maharishi poured over every word, sentence and aspect of layout was 
way more than idealism, it was revolution.  
 

 Here is the mission taken from that book of Maharishi’s
 

  “We will count ourselves successful only when the problems of Today's world 
are substantially reduced and eventually eliminated and the educational 
institutions of every country are capable of producing fully developed 
citizens.”
 

 -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, from the founding Catalog of Maharishi International 
University, 1974
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Folks can soft sell him and call him an idealist but he was a revolutionary 
plain, expecting and not just waiting idle for the change of broad 
transformation.  His own life worked at it and led it in so many ways.  There 
was a deep consistency to his life and that was all about ‘revolution’. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, as a Transcendentalist in fact he was a radical.  Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
plainly was one of the large revolutionaries of the last half of the 20th 
Century and early 21st.  From the time of his leaving India in the 1950’s he 
was systematically looking to affect radical change from the norm. Through the 
whole time of his travels he was looking the whole way along to bring in to 
effect complete transformation in society, a change from the norm and expecting 
it.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Transcendentalism, ..has the power to transform lives, 
The power to transform..  But at face value, ever since Maharishi left India in 
the 1950’s he seems to have been about revolution as these transcendentalism 
definitions say it too. Transformation.  He did everything inciting revolution 
in the world: Spiritual [SRM], education, public health, religion, politics 
[NLP], government.  It was all about revolution (transcendentalism).  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Radical Transcendentalism?  These are good observations and question.  
Evidently ‘respectability’ didn’t work 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists

2016-11-04 Thread yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thx, sorry but I don't get "it" - the scenario you're describing.  After 1975, 
the TM Movement suffered a precipitous decline in initiation numbers and by 
your own accout, there's only a few hundred initiations per year.
 While it's true that a revolution is going on on growing numbers of 
self-styled "Spiritual" but non-religious people, I see no ground swell of 
meditating Transcendentalists.  If anything, Mindfulness is increasingly 
supplanting TM in numbers.
 But overall, there are countless millions more religious Fundamentalists than 
Transcendentalists, and this has been the case since the middle of the 19-th 
Century when Methodism became a dominant  religion.  In recent decades, the 
numbers of nominal Catholics has declined with growing numbers of "lapsed 
Catholics" and the Evangelicals supplanting the mainstream branches.
 But still no evidence of more TM Initiations.  Such numbers are shrinking 
to almost zero.
 The best strategy may be for the remnant leaders of the TMO to become 
Mindfulness teachers and ride that wave of popularity.
 

 


[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists

2016-11-04 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Revolutionary, the whole series of large format publications using the 
Heidelberg color presses is testament to revolution.   The earliest color 
productions to come off the Heidelbergs, the embossed tan covered color MIU 
Catalog with the embossed cover logo was about revolution.  That book which in 
production Maharishi poured over every word, sentence and aspect of layout was 
way more than idealism, it was revolution.  
 

 Here is the mission taken from that book of Maharishi’s
 

  “We will count ourselves successful only when the problems of Today's world 
are substantially reduced and eventually eliminated and the educational 
institutions of every country are capable of producing fully developed 
citizens.”
 

 -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, from the founding Catalog of Maharishi International 
University, 1974
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Folks can soft sell him and call him an idealist but he was a revolutionary 
plain, expecting and not just waiting idle for the change of broad 
transformation.  His own life worked at it and led it in so many ways.  There 
was a deep consistency to his life and that was all about ‘revolution’. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, as a Transcendentalist in fact he was a radical.  Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
plainly was one of the large revolutionaries of the last half of the 20th 
Century and early 21st.  From the time of his leaving India in the 1950’s he 
was systematically looking to affect radical change from the norm. Through the 
whole time of his travels he was looking the whole way along to bring in to 
effect complete transformation in society, a change from the norm and expecting 
it.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Transcendentalism, ..has the power to transform lives, 
The power to transform..  But at face value, ever since Maharishi left India in 
the 1950’s he seems to have been about revolution as these transcendentalism 
definitions say it too. Transformation.  He did everything inciting revolution 
in the world: Spiritual [SRM], education, public health, religion, politics 
[NLP], government.  It was all about revolution (transcendentalism).  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Radical Transcendentalism?  These are good observations and question.  
Evidently ‘respectability’ didn’t work very well for ™ after the 1970’s the way 
that they did it. Revolutionary is another narrative of our being 
transcendentalists who look to broad transformations that may now be more in 
keeping with these times now.  

 Your definitions on transcendentalism are fine and could be added in well with 
the recent threads on transcendentalism here that were explored before you 
joined FFL.
 (You can find those threads gathered on Oct 1 posts in the matrix that is at 
the bottom of the FFL homepage). 

 Transcendentalists both contemporary and going back in time as a people it 
seems have an ongoing kind of spirituality way more than the historical 
artifacts and cultural expression of the 1830’s American movement of 
Transcendentalists. As a people now we ™’ers fit in with the definitions quite 
well. 

 A more recent academic definition goes well to describe a spirituality of the 
meditating community, the Fairfield Transcendental Meditationists but I see it 
also is describing a wider movement in the current postmodern, evidently a 
growing ‘spiritual but not religious’ demographic. (in mindfulness and TM, 
tolle, chopra, centering, oprah, Yogananda ..)  
 Transcendentalism:
 Our initial working definition of transcendentalism, however, will stress a 
divine force in each individual, a force that is also linked to nature and has 
the power to transform lives, as well as social institutions. -Professor Ashton 
Nichols, Emerson, Thoreau, and the Transcendentalist Movement


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The triumphal trumpet, 

 radical transcendentalists in the postmodern age... 
 

 With these short words I think you may have undercut the movement's attempt at 
respectability.

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:20 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The UK Dome 20 Years On
 
 
   
 The triumphal trumpet, 

 radical transcendentalists in the postmodern age... 
 

 With these short words I think you may have undercut the movement's attempt at 
respectability.
 

 "Radical means advocating advocating complete political or social reform or 
supporting an extreme section of a idealistic movement."
 

 "Transcendentalism is an idealistic philosophical and social movement that 
developed in New England around 1836 in reaction to rationalism. Influenced by 
romanticism, Platonism, and Kantian philosophy, it taught that divinity 
pervades all nature and 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists

2016-11-03 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Folks can soft sell him and call him an idealist but he was a revolutionary 
plain, expecting and not just waiting idle for the change of broad 
transformation.  His own life worked at it and led it in so many ways.  There 
was a deep consistency to his life and that was all about ‘revolution’. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, as a Transcendentalist in fact he was a radical.  Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
plainly was one of the large revolutionaries of the last half of the 20th 
Century and early 21st.  From the time of his leaving India in the 1950’s he 
was systematically looking to affect radical change from the norm. Through the 
whole time of his travels he was looking the whole way along to bring in to 
effect complete transformation in society, a change from the norm and expecting 
it.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Transcendentalism, ..has the power to transform lives, 
The power to transform..  But at face value, ever since Maharishi left India in 
the 1950’s he seems to have been about revolution as these transcendentalism 
definitions say it too. Transformation.  He did everything inciting revolution 
in the world: Spiritual [SRM], education, public health, religion, politics 
[NLP], government.  It was all about revolution (transcendentalism).  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Radical Transcendentalism?  These are good observations and question.  
Evidently ‘respectability’ didn’t work very well for ™ after the 1970’s the way 
that they did it. Revolutionary is another narrative of our being 
transcendentalists who look to broad transformations that may now be more in 
keeping with these times now.  

 Your definitions on transcendentalism are fine and could be added in well with 
the recent threads on transcendentalism here that were explored before you 
joined FFL.
 (You can find those threads gathered on Oct 1 posts in the matrix that is at 
the bottom of the FFL homepage). 

 Transcendentalists both contemporary and going back in time as a people it 
seems have an ongoing kind of spirituality way more than the historical 
artifacts and cultural expression of the 1830’s American movement of 
Transcendentalists. As a people now we ™’ers fit in with the definitions quite 
well. 

 A more recent academic definition goes well to describe a spirituality of the 
meditating community, the Fairfield Transcendental Meditationists but I see it 
also is describing a wider movement in the current postmodern, evidently a 
growing ‘spiritual but not religious’ demographic. (in mindfulness and TM, 
tolle, chopra, centering, oprah, Yogananda ..)  
 Transcendentalism:
 Our initial working definition of transcendentalism, however, will stress a 
divine force in each individual, a force that is also linked to nature and has 
the power to transform lives, as well as social institutions. -Professor Ashton 
Nichols, Emerson, Thoreau, and the Transcendentalist Movement


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The triumphal trumpet, 

 radical transcendentalists in the postmodern age... 
 

 With these short words I think you may have undercut the movement's attempt at 
respectability.

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:20 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The UK Dome 20 Years On
 
 
   
 The triumphal trumpet, 

 radical transcendentalists in the postmodern age... 
 

 With these short words I think you may have undercut the movement's attempt at 
respectability.
 

 "Radical means advocating advocating complete political or social reform or 
supporting an extreme section of a idealistic movement."
 

 "Transcendentalism is an idealistic philosophical and social movement that 
developed in New England around 1836 in reaction to rationalism. Influenced by 
romanticism, Platonism, and Kantian philosophy, it taught that divinity 
pervades all nature and humanity, and its members held progressive views on 
feminism and communal living. Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau were 
central figures."
 

 "Postmodernism is an era and a broad movement that developed in the late-20th 
century across philosophy, the arts, architecture, and criticism which marked a 
departure from modernism typically defined by an attitude of skepticism or 
distrust toward grand narratives, ideologies, and various tenets of 
Enlightenment rationality, including the existence of objective reality and 
absolute truth, as well as notions of rationality, human nature, and 
progress.It asserts that knowledge and truth are the product of unique systems 
of social, historical, and political discourse and interpretation, and are 
therefore contextual and constructed."
 

 Postmodernism also exhibits a high degree of irrationality, at odds with 
science.
 

 It seems to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists

2016-11-02 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Revolution does not have to be violent to be revolutionary. 
 Different than fomenting violent revolution Maharishi was about peace and he 
worked at a long career on improving people’s lives on earth..  
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, as a Transcendentalist in fact he was a radical.  Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
plainly was one of the large revolutionaries of the last half of the 20th 
Century and early 21st.  From the time of his leaving India in the 1950’s he 
was systematically looking to affect radical change from the norm. Through the 
whole time of his travels he was looking the whole way along to bring in to 
effect complete transformation in society, a change from the norm and expecting 
it.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Transcendentalism, ..has the power to transform lives, 
The power to transform..  But at face value, ever since Maharishi left India in 
the 1950’s he seems to have been about revolution as these transcendentalism 
definitions say it too. Transformation.  He did everything inciting revolution 
in the world: Spiritual [SRM], education, public health, religion, politics 
[NLP], government.  It was all about revolution (transcendentalism).  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Radical Transcendentalism?  These are good observations and question.  
Evidently ‘respectability’ didn’t work very well for ™ after the 1970’s the way 
that they did it. Revolutionary is another narrative of our being 
transcendentalists who look to broad transformations that may now be more in 
keeping with these times now.  

 Your definitions on transcendentalism are fine and could be added in well with 
the recent threads on transcendentalism here that were explored before you 
joined FFL.
 (You can find those threads gathered on Oct 1 posts in the matrix that is at 
the bottom of the FFL homepage). 

 Transcendentalists both contemporary and going back in time as a people it 
seems have an ongoing kind of spirituality way more than the historical 
artifacts and cultural expression of the 1830’s American movement of 
Transcendentalists. As a people now we ™’ers fit in with the definitions quite 
well. 

 A more recent academic definition goes well to describe a spirituality of the 
meditating community, the Fairfield Transcendental Meditationists but I see it 
also is describing a wider movement in the current postmodern, evidently a 
growing ‘spiritual but not religious’ demographic. (in mindfulness and TM, 
tolle, chopra, centering, oprah, Yogananda ..)  
 Transcendentalism:
 Our initial working definition of transcendentalism, however, will stress a 
divine force in each individual, a force that is also linked to nature and has 
the power to transform lives, as well as social institutions. -Professor Ashton 
Nichols, Emerson, Thoreau, and the Transcendentalist Movement


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The triumphal trumpet, 

 radical transcendentalists in the postmodern age... 
 

 With these short words I think you may have undercut the movement's attempt at 
respectability.

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:20 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The UK Dome 20 Years On
 
 
   
 The triumphal trumpet, 

 radical transcendentalists in the postmodern age... 
 

 With these short words I think you may have undercut the movement's attempt at 
respectability.
 

 "Radical means advocating advocating complete political or social reform or 
supporting an extreme section of a idealistic movement."
 

 "Transcendentalism is an idealistic philosophical and social movement that 
developed in New England around 1836 in reaction to rationalism. Influenced by 
romanticism, Platonism, and Kantian philosophy, it taught that divinity 
pervades all nature and humanity, and its members held progressive views on 
feminism and communal living. Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau were 
central figures."
 

 "Postmodernism is an era and a broad movement that developed in the late-20th 
century across philosophy, the arts, architecture, and criticism which marked a 
departure from modernism typically defined by an attitude of skepticism or 
distrust toward grand narratives, ideologies, and various tenets of 
Enlightenment rationality, including the existence of objective reality and 
absolute truth, as well as notions of rationality, human nature, and 
progress.It asserts that knowledge and truth are the product of unique systems 
of social, historical, and political discourse and interpretation, and are 
therefore contextual and constructed."
 

 Postmodernism also exhibits a high degree of irrationality, at odds with 
science.
 

 It seems to me this kind of language does not really suit the Transcendental 
Meditation movement 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists

2016-11-02 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yes, as a Transcendentalist in fact he was a radical.  Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
plainly was one of the large revolutionaries of the last half of the 20th 
Century and early 21st.  From the time of his leaving India in the 1950’s he 
was systematically looking to affect radical change from the norm. Through the 
whole time of his travels he was looking the whole way along to bring in to 
effect complete transformation in society, a change from the norm and expecting 
it.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Transcendentalism, ..has the power to transform lives, 
The power to transform..  But at face value, ever since Maharishi left India in 
the 1950’s he seems to have been about revolution as these transcendentalism 
definitions say it too. Transformation.  He did everything inciting revolution 
in the world: Spiritual [SRM], education, public health, religion, politics 
[NLP], government.  It was all about revolution (transcendentalism).  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Radical Transcendentalism?  These are good observations and question.  
Evidently ‘respectability’ didn’t work very well for ™ after the 1970’s the way 
that they did it. Revolutionary is another narrative of our being 
transcendentalists who look to broad transformations that may now be more in 
keeping with these times now.  

 Your definitions on transcendentalism are fine and could be added in well with 
the recent threads on transcendentalism here that were explored before you 
joined FFL.
 (You can find those threads gathered on Oct 1 posts in the matrix that is at 
the bottom of the FFL homepage). 

 Transcendentalists both contemporary and going back in time as a people it 
seems have an ongoing kind of spirituality way more than the historical 
artifacts and cultural expression of the 1830’s American movement of 
Transcendentalists. As a people now we ™’ers fit in with the definitions quite 
well. 

 A more recent academic definition goes well to describe a spirituality of the 
meditating community, the Fairfield Transcendental Meditationists but I see it 
also is describing a wider movement in the current postmodern, evidently a 
growing ‘spiritual but not religious’ demographic. (in mindfulness and TM, 
tolle, chopra, centering, oprah, Yogananda ..)  
 Transcendentalism:
 Our initial working definition of transcendentalism, however, will stress a 
divine force in each individual, a force that is also linked to nature and has 
the power to transform lives, as well as social institutions. -Professor Ashton 
Nichols, Emerson, Thoreau, and the Transcendentalist Movement


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The triumphal trumpet, 

 radical transcendentalists in the postmodern age... 
 

 With these short words I think you may have undercut the movement's attempt at 
respectability.

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:20 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The UK Dome 20 Years On
 
 
   
 The triumphal trumpet, 

 radical transcendentalists in the postmodern age... 
 

 With these short words I think you may have undercut the movement's attempt at 
respectability.
 

 "Radical means advocating advocating complete political or social reform or 
supporting an extreme section of a idealistic movement."
 

 "Transcendentalism is an idealistic philosophical and social movement that 
developed in New England around 1836 in reaction to rationalism. Influenced by 
romanticism, Platonism, and Kantian philosophy, it taught that divinity 
pervades all nature and humanity, and its members held progressive views on 
feminism and communal living. Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau were 
central figures."
 

 "Postmodernism is an era and a broad movement that developed in the late-20th 
century across philosophy, the arts, architecture, and criticism which marked a 
departure from modernism typically defined by an attitude of skepticism or 
distrust toward grand narratives, ideologies, and various tenets of 
Enlightenment rationality, including the existence of objective reality and 
absolute truth, as well as notions of rationality, human nature, and 
progress.It asserts that knowledge and truth are the product of unique systems 
of social, historical, and political discourse and interpretation, and are 
therefore contextual and constructed."
 

 Postmodernism also exhibits a high degree of irrationality, at odds with 
science.
 

 It seems to me this kind of language does not really suit the Transcendental 
Meditation movement which prides itself on a public face of religious 
neutrality, scientific rigor and as not being a lifestyle or philosophy.
 

 It creates a sense of extremism and religious advocacy which does not forward 
the movement's public image they have cultured for the last 45 years or so, to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Radical' 'Revolutionary' Transcendental Meditationists

2016-10-24 Thread archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Transcendence is a word applied to an activity.
 

 That of going from one state of knowing to another.
 

 From what we know or assume, to what we did not know.
 

 We do not know that which we do not know until we know it.
 

 Therefore the result of transcendence cannot be determined beforehand.
 

 We cannot know what it is or what it can or cannot do.
 

 In relation to consciousness, the word maya represents the barrier preventing 
us from knowing.
 

 "Maya is that which allows us to perceive objects as being separate from the 
Self, when in reality they are not separate from the Self." ——Maharishi
 

 If that barrier is removed, then we know.
 

 What we know is not beyond us. Therefore, there is no transcendent, only 
transcendence removing ignorance.
 

 Once we know this, there is not even transcendence. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Transcendentalism, ..has the power to transform lives, 
The power to transform..  But at face value, ever since Maharishi left India in 
the 1950’s he seems to have been about revolution as these transcendentalism 
definitions say it too. Transformation.  He did everything inciting revolution 
in the world: Spiritual [SRM], education, public health, religion, politics 
[NLP], government.  It was all about revolution (transcendentalism).  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Radical Transcendentalism?  These are good observations and question.  
Evidently ‘respectability’ didn’t work very well for ™ after the 1970’s the way 
that they did it. Revolutionary is another narrative of our being 
transcendentalists who look to broad transformations that may now be more in 
keeping with these times now.  

 Your definitions on transcendentalism are fine and could be added in well with 
the recent threads on transcendentalism here that were explored before you 
joined FFL.
 (You can find those threads gathered on Oct 1 posts in the matrix that is at 
the bottom of the FFL homepage). 

 Transcendentalists both contemporary and going back in time as a people it 
seems have an ongoing kind of spirituality way more than the historical 
artifacts and cultural expression of the 1830’s American movement of 
Transcendentalists. As a people now we ™’ers fit in with the definitions quite 
well. 

 A more recent academic definition goes well to describe a spirituality of the 
meditating community, the Fairfield Transcendental Meditationists but I see it 
also is describing a wider movement in the current postmodern, evidently a 
growing ‘spiritual but not religious’ demographic. (in mindfulness and TM, 
tolle, chopra, centering, oprah, Yogananda ..)  
 Transcendentalism:
 Our initial working definition of transcendentalism, however, will stress a 
divine force in each individual, a force that is also linked to nature and has 
the power to transform lives, as well as social institutions. -Professor Ashton 
Nichols, Emerson, Thoreau, and the Transcendentalist Movement


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The triumphal trumpet, 

 radical transcendentalists in the postmodern age... 
 

 With these short words I think you may have undercut the movement's attempt at 
respectability.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:20 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The UK Dome 20 Years On
 
 
   
 The triumphal trumpet, 

 radical transcendentalists in the postmodern age... 
 

 With these short words I think you may have undercut the movement's attempt at 
respectability.
 

 "Radical means advocating advocating complete political or social reform or 
supporting an extreme section of a idealistic movement."
 

 "Transcendentalism is an idealistic philosophical and social movement that 
developed in New England around 1836 in reaction to rationalism. Influenced by 
romanticism, Platonism, and Kantian philosophy, it taught that divinity 
pervades all nature and humanity, and its members held progressive views on 
feminism and communal living. Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau were 
central figures."
 

 "Postmodernism is an era and a broad movement that developed in the late-20th 
century across philosophy, the arts, architecture, and criticism which marked a 
departure from modernism typically defined by an attitude of skepticism or 
distrust toward grand narratives, ideologies, and various tenets of 
Enlightenment rationality, including the existence of objective reality and 
absolute truth, as well as notions of rationality, human nature, and 
progress.It asserts that knowledge and truth are the product of unique systems 
of social, historical, and political discourse and interpretation, and are 
therefore contextual and constructed."
 

 Postmodernism also exhibits a high degree of irrationality, at odds with 
science.
 

 It seems to me this kind of language does not really