[FairfieldLife] Re: 'See the grace of Guru Dev'
do.rflex wrote: Clapping? So, you read all the stuff from Maharishi, bought yourself some Hush Puppies and a cheap suit in order to get that initiator look, during your early days in the TMO when you were working for the Marshy, selling gibberish nonsense syllables to poor students; but WE are the gullible fawning sycophants. Go figure. So, what happened all the money?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'See the grace of Guru Dev'
MMY doing what he does best. Promising something wonderful just around the corner... And the crowd goes wild: The clapping at the close of this meeting is as long or longer as on that historic day of 27 December 1957, when Maharishi first founded his worldwide Movement to spiritually regenerate mankind. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=11957316842443680 'I have done Commentary on Bhagavad Gita*. It's a compactified state of Gyan shakti, Kriya shakti, Gyan shakti, Kriya shakti. I have to open the petals of knowledge, that are still calling me to put the attention and open, open the lotus flower petals and bring the petals in the opening. Nothing should remain hidden from view, either from the level of Being, from the level of intellect, from the level of mind, from the level of behaviour. All these different values of knowledge, knowledge, knowledge, knowledge, knowledge. So, I'll be, just an example, the lotus petals are closed. They will open up, and they only can be opened up, from inside. 'Lotus petals have to be opened from inside, from the gap within, which is the level of pure knowledge, opening will be through the Kriya shakti. But something has to be there, for Kriya shakti to be, to be opening, opening, opening. And this will be intellectual understanding of the whole Kriya shakti. Why Kali Yuga (age of ignorance) came? Kali Yuga came, Kriya shakti became blurred, nobody knew what to do, everyone lost his Dharma, and losing Dharma, all suffering and all kinds of negativity all come up. This is because of the loss of Gyan shakti, and loss of Gyan shakti is a loss of the intellectual level. 'And that I hope to do in one or two years, if time is allowed. That I am going to undertake to do, after expressing great satisfaction for those who are upholding the fort on the level of Kriya shakti, Kriya shakti, Kriya (shakti). 'And we'll have Gyan shakti floating stengthening, as Gyan shakti blossoms on the surface of the world consciousness, and Gyan shakti blossoms. And for Gyan shakti to blossom, I have only to indicate it's not my intelligence that will do it, it's just the what I see I speak, that's all. What I see, I speak. So I have to speak what the Veda blossoms into Vishwa, what Atma blossoms into the Veda, what Veda blossoms into Atma on this side, and what Atma blossoms into Brahm. Saguna Brahm. And Saguna Brahm blossoms into Nirguna Brahm. So Nirguna Brahm, Saguna Brahm, Atma, Veda, Vishwa, all expressions of the pure intelligence, Gyan Shakti. This, I have to give to the world, and that will be my total contribution. The day will not be long, because the Kriya shakti is lively, that will take me just to say what I see. Say what I see. 'So that is the career that I have designed for myself. Gyan shakti to blossom in its full. And as Gyan shakti will blossom, Kriya shakti will naturally be more and more blossom[ed]. So I, from my side, have won half the race, and I'll win the other half. But all of you are the winners of the race. You go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, and on the same line you will see, that nothing is obscure to you. 'And all glory of Guru Dev**, all glory of Guru Dev. All glory of Guru Dev. We are halfway achievement of our target. We are halfway achievement of our target. Halfway achievement of the target of Guru Dev's grace, is Brahma, Gurur Brahma, Gurur Vishnur, Gurur Devo Maheshwarah, this much we have achieved. What we have to achieve? Gurur Brahma, Gurur Vishnur, Gurur Devo Maheshwarah, Guruh SAKSHAT Param Brahma, we have to SEE Brahma. Sakshat. Personally, purely, clearly, vividly, we have to, yet, SEE the grace of Guru Dev. 'So, I'll be keep on doing Puja, Puja, Puja, Puja (Vedic ceremony of gratitude), and the last target of Guru Dev's Grace will be in our vision. And that will be, that will be, the bell of invincibility in time. That our Communication Minister has started to ring. Very well doing, very well doing. So expressing my confidence on the achievements of all the enlightened nations in the world, twenty- four, they'll grow into 192, and we'll have laid a complete, complete, deep, never-shakeable foundation of invincibility in the changing times and all that, all that, all that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'See the grace of Guru Dev'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY doing what he does best. Promising something wonderful just around the corner... And the crowd goes wild: The clapping at the close of this meeting is as long or longer as on that historic day of 27 December 1957, when Maharishi first founded his worldwide Movement to spiritually regenerate mankind. Which, by definition, no one currently associated with the TM movement attended. The only record they have of this event and the supposed response of the crowd comes from Maharishi. From A History Of The Movement by Dr. Mike Tompkins )http://www.enmag.org/01/1history.htm), emphasis mine: Maharishi's travels brought him to Madras in December 1957. More than 10,000 people had assembled there for the three-day Seminar of Spiritual Luminaries to celebrate the 89th birthday anniversary of Guru Dev. They were gathered in a field before a large, tented platform called a pandal. **Maharishi has told the story of the climax of that seminar**: Speaking on the third day, I reviewed these two years' experience in Indianorth, south, east, and westand said that this Transcendental Meditation is such a simple thing, and it is found to be producing effects in all parts of India. In each province, the living values are completely different. In this small area of the world where the cultures are different it has produced this effect, so why can't we spiritually regenerate the whole world through this technique? With that thought **I just said it, and the clapping went on for about two or three minutes**. These words, 'spiritually regenerate the whole world', came completely automatically. All other references to this event that I could find on Google are directly traceable back to Maharishi. It could have happened *just* as he says; I am not in a position to say. The only point I am making is that NO ONE ELSE IS IN A POSITION TO SAY, EITHER. Those who present this story as fact are taking his word *as* fact, as they have taken his word as fact for so many other things for so many years. It's true, because Maharishi says it. It's history, and deserves to be written up *as* history, because Maharishi said it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'See the grace of Guru Dev'
It could have happened *just* as he says; I am not in a position to say. The only point I am making is that NO ONE ELSE IS IN A POSITION TO SAY, EITHER. However, we can *assume* that they clapped two or three minutes, since audiences usually clap two or three minutes after Marshy gives a talk. When he spoke in Houston in 1971, we clapped for five minutes. It's not a leap of immagination to assume that an audience of 10,000 Indians clapped for two or three minutes, since probably 99% of them were devotees of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati and that Marshy was the Swami's most popular adherent. He continued his marathon speech. He was in high spirits and in especially confident mood. Although his outer appearance showed his age, his strength of purpose and his capacity to express himself told another story. With head and body bobbing up and down, his toothsome, smiling face emitted hope and generosity. His words tumbled amidst bubbles of humour. The man seemed to be on a perpetual 'high'. Was it any wonder that, on the strength of his personality, so many had taken to his teachings? His passion and optimism flowed out in seemingly endless torrents of speech. - Paul Mason Read more: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Willytex Date: Tues, Mar 2 2004 7:30 pm Subject: The Great Rishi http://tinyurl.com/2bp9ca
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'See the grace of Guru Dev'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: MMY doing what he does best. Promising something wonderful just around the corner... And the crowd goes wild: The clapping at the close of this meeting is as long or longer as on that historic day of 27 December 1957, when Maharishi first founded his worldwide Movement to spiritually regenerate mankind. Which, by definition, no one currently associated with the TM movement attended. The only record they have of this event and the supposed response of the crowd comes from Maharishi. Last year I spoke with someone who was at the event. He is now a respected yogi living in rishikesh, but attended the event as a spiritually curious young man. He didn't mention anything about the final day, but did about a more private meeting in which MMY presented TM to the small group of spiritual luminaries assembled there. He said the group told MMY that TM seemed like a good simple meditation to help westerners relax their over active minds, but that it would not be very effective at producing true spiritual transformation leading to enlightenment and that MMY should not say he represented Brahmananda Saraswati. He said MMY got furious at them and stormed out of the room. It was interesting hearing such a different story of the event.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'See the grace of Guru Dev'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY doing what he does best. Promising something wonderful just around the corner... And the crowd goes wild: The clapping at the close of this meeting is as long or longer as on that historic day of 27 December 1957, when Maharishi first founded his worldwide Movement to spiritually regenerate mankind. Clapping? With due respect... Having read the stuff below from Maharishi, I'm astonished that anyone other than the TMO 'in-crowd' really takes that stuff seriously. In my view, the words have ZERO practicable application to anyone other than as wishful abstract illusions in the minds of those gullible fawning sycophants. To consider that any of it actually has any useful practical meaning is admittedly beyond me. In my early TM days the TMO understood 'in-crowd' slogan was get your Hush Puppies and cheap suit for that 'initiator' look. Today it appears to be get your titles of importance and special raja hats for that 'Vedic Royalty' look. Once that's accomplished, you'll be entitled to lots of clapping from your 'own' slew of gullible fawning sycophant inferiors. SEE IMAGE: http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/bethannes/clapping.gif --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=11957316842443680 'I have done Commentary on Bhagavad Gita*. It's a compactified state of Gyan shakti, Kriya shakti, Gyan shakti, Kriya shakti. I have to open the petals of knowledge, that are still calling me to put the attention and open, open the lotus flower petals and bring the petals in the opening. Nothing should remain hidden from view, either from the level of Being, from the level of intellect, from the level of mind, from the level of behaviour. All these different values of knowledge, knowledge, knowledge, knowledge, knowledge. So, I'll be, just an example, the lotus petals are closed. They will open up, and they only can be opened up, from inside. 'Lotus petals have to be opened from inside, from the gap within, which is the level of pure knowledge, opening will be through the Kriya shakti. But something has to be there, for Kriya shakti to be, to be opening, opening, opening. And this will be intellectual understanding of the whole Kriya shakti. Why Kali Yuga (age of ignorance) came? Kali Yuga came, Kriya shakti became blurred, nobody knew what to do, everyone lost his Dharma, and losing Dharma, all suffering and all kinds of negativity all come up. This is because of the loss of Gyan shakti, and loss of Gyan shakti is a loss of the intellectual level. 'And that I hope to do in one or two years, if time is allowed. That I am going to undertake to do, after expressing great satisfaction for those who are upholding the fort on the level of Kriya shakti, Kriya shakti, Kriya (shakti). 'And we'll have Gyan shakti floating stengthening, as Gyan shakti blossoms on the surface of the world consciousness, and Gyan shakti blossoms. And for Gyan shakti to blossom, I have only to indicate it's not my intelligence that will do it, it's just the what I see I speak, that's all. What I see, I speak. So I have to speak what the Veda blossoms into Vishwa, what Atma blossoms into the Veda, what Veda blossoms into Atma on this side, and what Atma blossoms into Brahm. Saguna Brahm. And Saguna Brahm blossoms into Nirguna Brahm. So Nirguna Brahm, Saguna Brahm, Atma, Veda, Vishwa, all expressions of the pure intelligence, Gyan Shakti. This, I have to give to the world, and that will be my total contribution. The day will not be long, because the Kriya shakti is lively, that will take me just to say what I see. Say what I see. 'So that is the career that I have designed for myself. Gyan shakti to blossom in its full. And as Gyan shakti will blossom, Kriya shakti will naturally be more and more blossom[ed]. So I, from my side, have won half the race, and I'll win the other half. But all of you are the winners of the race. You go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, and on the same line you will see, that nothing is obscure to you. 'And all glory of Guru Dev**, all glory of Guru Dev. All glory of Guru Dev. We are halfway achievement of our target. We are halfway achievement of our target. Halfway achievement of the target of Guru Dev's grace, is Brahma, Gurur Brahma, Gurur Vishnur, Gurur Devo Maheshwarah, this much we have achieved. What we have to achieve? Gurur Brahma, Gurur Vishnur, Gurur Devo Maheshwarah, Guruh SAKSHAT Param Brahma, we have to SEE Brahma. Sakshat. Personally, purely, clearly, vividly, we have to, yet, SEE the grace of Guru Dev. 'So, I'll be keep on doing Puja, Puja, Puja, Puja (Vedic ceremony of gratitude), and the last target of Guru Dev's Grace will be in
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'See the grace of Guru Dev'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: MMY doing what he does best. Promising something wonderful just around the corner... And the crowd goes wild: The clapping at the close of this meeting is as long or longer as on that historic day of 27 December 1957, when Maharishi first founded his worldwide Movement to spiritually regenerate mankind. Which, by definition, no one currently associated with the TM movement attended. The only record they have of this event and the supposed response of the crowd comes from Maharishi. Last year I spoke with someone who was at the event. He is now a respected yogi living in rishikesh, but attended the event as a spiritually curious young man. He didn't mention anything about the final day, but did about a more private meeting in which MMY presented TM to the small group of spiritual luminaries assembled there. He said the group told MMY that TM seemed like a good simple meditation to help westerners relax their over active minds, but that it would not be very effective at producing true spiritual transformation leading to enlightenment and that MMY should not say he represented Brahmananda Saraswati. He said MMY got furious at them and stormed out of the room. It was interesting hearing such a different story of the event. It is interesting to me as well. I don't know which version is more accurate. Hell, *both* could be accurate. The spiritual luminaries could have reacted one way and the crowds who came to see them another. Besides, both accounts are subjective. One person is reporting what went down as viewed through his personal set of samskaras, and the other is doing exactly the same thing. What they both saw and experienced might not be what the persons sitting to their right and left saw and experienced. Re the accuracy of Maharishi's assessment of about two or three minutes, though, I propose a kind of psychic quiz. Many of you have been in the room when Maharishi posed a question about an experience and asked those in the room to raise their hands if they have had this experience. You looked around the crowd of 200 and saw maybe 10 hands raised, right? Maharishi looks, too, and then says, Almost everyone. Those who remember this and feel that Maharishi's take on what constitutes about two or three minutes is likely to be accurate, please raise your hands, and I will tally them psychically, across time and space. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Thank you. Almost everyone.
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http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/bethannes/clapping.gif That gif reminds me of something I noticed on the 1983-1984 Utopia course. MMY would say something minor and every course participant would rise up and clap and cheer wildly like MMY had just concluded the most noble speech of the decade. I remember getting back to the friend's house that I was staying at and telling him this and how he said I must be imagining things, it seeming so unlikely to him that it would be like I said, and then another friend staying there confirming it was just like I said. Having seen MMY in person only at the Utopia course and one night at the Music Hall in Boston in March 1975, I have no idea if this kind of thing happened a lot. --- do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY doing what he does best. Promising something wonderful just around the corner... And the crowd goes wild: The clapping at the close of this meeting is as long or longer as on that historic day of 27 December 1957, when Maharishi first founded his worldwide Movement to spiritually regenerate mankind. Clapping? With due respect... Having read the stuff below from Maharishi, I'm astonished that anyone other than the TMO 'in-crowd' really takes that stuff seriously. In my view, the words have ZERO practicable application to anyone other than as wishful abstract illusions in the minds of those gullible fawning sycophants. To consider that any of it actually has any useful practical meaning is admittedly beyond me. In my early TM days the TMO understood 'in-crowd' slogan was get your Hush Puppies and cheap suit for that 'initiator' look. Today it appears to be get your titles of importance and special raja hats for that 'Vedic Royalty' look. Once that's accomplished, you'll be entitled to lots of clapping from your 'own' slew of gullible fawning sycophant inferiors. SEE IMAGE: http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/bethannes/clapping.gif --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=11957316842443680 'I have done Commentary on Bhagavad Gita*. It's a compactified state of Gyan shakti, Kriya shakti, Gyan shakti, Kriya shakti. I have to open the petals of knowledge, that are still calling me to put the attention and open, open the lotus flower petals and bring the petals in the opening. Nothing should remain hidden from view, either from the level of Being, from the level of intellect, from the level of mind, from the level of behaviour. All these different values of knowledge, knowledge, knowledge, knowledge, knowledge. So, I'll be, just an example, the lotus petals are closed. They will open up, and they only can be opened up, from inside. 'Lotus petals have to be opened from inside, from the gap within, which is the level of pure knowledge, opening will be through the Kriya shakti. But something has to be there, for Kriya shakti to be, to be opening, opening, opening. And this will be intellectual understanding of the whole Kriya shakti. Why Kali Yuga (age of ignorance) came? Kali Yuga came, Kriya shakti became blurred, nobody knew what to do, everyone lost his Dharma, and losing Dharma, all suffering and all kinds of negativity all come up. This is because of the loss of Gyan shakti, and loss of Gyan shakti is a loss of the intellectual level. 'And that I hope to do in one or two years, if time is allowed. That I am going to undertake to do, after expressing great satisfaction for those who are upholding the fort on the level of Kriya shakti, Kriya shakti, Kriya (shakti). 'And we'll have Gyan shakti floating stengthening, as Gyan shakti blossoms on the surface of the world consciousness, and Gyan shakti blossoms. And for Gyan shakti to blossom, I have only to indicate it's not my intelligence that will do it, it's just the what I see I speak, that's all. What I see, I speak. So I have to speak what the Veda blossoms into Vishwa, what Atma blossoms into the Veda, what Veda blossoms into Atma on this side, and what Atma blossoms into Brahm. Saguna Brahm. And Saguna Brahm blossoms into Nirguna Brahm. So Nirguna Brahm, Saguna Brahm, Atma, Veda, Vishwa, all expressions of the pure intelligence, Gyan Shakti. This, I have to give to the world, and that will be my total contribution. The day will not be long, because the Kriya shakti is lively, that will take me just to say what I see. Say what I see. 'So that is the career that I have designed for myself. Gyan shakti to blossom in its full. And as Gyan shakti will blossom, Kriya shakti will naturally be more and more blossom[ed]. So I, from my
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gullible fool Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 12:06 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'See the grace of Guru Dev' HYPERLINK http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/bethannes/clapping.gifhttp://i40.ph otobucket.com/albums/e211/bethannes/clapping.gif That gif reminds me of something I noticed on the 1983-1984 Utopia course. MMY would say something minor and every course participant would rise up and clap and cheer wildly like MMY had just concluded the most noble speech of the decade. I remember getting back to the friend's house that I was staying at and telling him this and how he said I must be imagining things, it seeming so unlikely to him that it would be like I said, and then another friend staying there confirming it was just like I said. Having seen MMY in person only at the Utopia course and one night at the Music Hall in Boston in March 1975, I have no idea if this kind of thing happened a lot. It’s a TMO thing in general. Go to any event in the dome and you’re likely to see numerous standing ovations. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1148 - Release Date: 11/23/2007 7:39 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'See the grace of Guru Dev'
Rick: It's a TMO thing in general. Go to any event in the dome and you're likely to see numerous standing ovations. Lurk: Especially with honored guests, it always had an aren't we the greatest feel to it. Like we wanted to wow whoever was giving the presenation, or performance, eith our vibrancy, and livlieness, and ability to appreciate their uniqueness It always seemed pretty contrived, but some of the recepients really dug it, and bought into it.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick: It's a TMO thing in general. Go to any event in the dome and you're likely to see numerous standing ovations. Lurk: Especially with honored guests, it always had an aren't we the greatest feel to it. Like we wanted to wow whoever was giving the presenation, or performance, eith our vibrancy, and livlieness, and ability to appreciate their uniqueness It always seemed pretty contrived, but some of the recepients really dug it, and bought into it. The only person I saw at MIU who didn't buy into the love bombing was Robert Bly. He didn't buy it at all, understood what it was all about, and let us know in no uncertain terms that we were full of it for trying to pull that with him.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Rick: It's a TMO thing in general. Go to any event in the dome and you're likely to see numerous standing ovations. Lurk: Especially with honored guests, it always had an aren't we the greatest feel to it. Like we wanted to wow whoever was giving the presenation, or performance, eith our vibrancy, and livlieness, and ability to appreciate their uniqueness It always seemed pretty contrived, but some of the recepients really dug it, and bought into it. The only person I saw at MIU who didn't buy into the love bombing was Robert Bly. He didn't buy it at all, understood what it was all about, and let us know in no uncertain terms that we were full of it for trying to pull that with him. Bevan embellished for the FF community impressions that Iowan Charles Grassley, ( a U.S. Senator) privately shared with Bevan, after an early 80s event in the dome : from WHERE do you get such people?, Grassley privately asked Bevan. Except for LBS, few were from Iowa, and, figuratively speaking, most were from another dimension altogether. Bevan was delighted to report Sen. Grassley's strong impression. Bevan proceeded to re-enforce to the FF community the concept that FFers were rare, unique, and valued. To this day, Bevan probably still doesn't have a clue what Sen. Grassley was politely observing.
