[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: And what about Swami Vivekenanda, Swami Shivananda, Swami Yogananda, and the list goes on and on? I met a software engineer once whose dad came to Hollywood to teach yoga way before Maharishi arrived. not effortless transcending,ie Sivananda all about concentration and effort.does not follow at all why always posting so stupid except a desperate need to feel appear important knowledgeable wasting others time,opposite effect.internet stereotype person Maharishi was just another flavor of the month for the mystical societies that Charlie Lutes and his buddies were involved in. What you can claim is that Maharishi popularized meditation. shukra69 wrote: Such instruction was almost non-existant before Maharishi and is exceedingly rare outside his teaching even today, though of course with success there are imitators, and those like yourself who seek personal enrichment by criticising those who are trying to help others. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote: Maharishi was teaching this meditation for free for several years before residing in Hollywood and starting to charge for it simple meditation instruction. I doubt anyone back in India in those days would have paid to be given a mantra and a little advice on how to bring the mind to a state of restful alertness.
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shukra69 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: And what about Swami Vivekenanda, Swami Shivananda, Swami Yogananda, and the list goes on and on? I met a software engineer once whose dad came to Hollywood to teach yoga way before Maharishi arrived. not effortless transcending,ie Sivananda all about concentration and effort.does not follow at all why always posting so stupid except a desperate need to feel appear important knowledgeable wasting others time,opposite effect.internet stereotype person We don't know why you are always posting so stupid, Shukra? Perhaps TM didn't work for you or you're doing some meth or sniffing glue or getting drunk while posting. You probably need to get into a rehab program. :-D
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why always posting so stupid except a desperate need to feel appear important knowledgeable wasting others time... Bhairitu wrote: Perhaps TM didn't work for you or you're doing some meth or sniffing glue or getting drunk while posting... Now this is some really impressive debating! Folks usually have to go to Usenet or to Google Groups in order to read remarks like this. Very impressive - keep up the good work.
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WillyTex wrote: why always posting so stupid except a desperate need to feel appear important knowledgeable wasting others time... Bhairitu wrote: Perhaps TM didn't work for you or you're doing some meth or sniffing glue or getting drunk while posting... Now this is some really impressive debating! Folks usually have to go to Usenet or to Google Groups in order to read remarks like this. Very impressive - keep up the good work. The sentence reads like a drunk at a keyboard: why always posting so stupid except a desperate need to feel appear important knowledgeable wasting others time... And he probably know little about yoga or meditation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: The sentence reads like a drunk at a keyboard: why always posting so stupid except a desperate need to feel appear important knowledgeable wasting others time... Worse, it reads like something posted by someone who hasn't had a drink in decades, and feels superior because of it.
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yes no drinking but not feeling superior to drinkers but judgmental to meat eaters, liars and slanderers like yourself(s)yes --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: The sentence reads like a drunk at a keyboard: why always posting so stupid except a desperate need to feel appear important knowledgeable wasting others time... Worse, it reads like something posted by someone who hasn't had a drink in decades, and feels superior because of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: Such instruction was almost non-existant before Maharishi and is exceedingly rare outside his teaching even today, though of course with success there are imitators, and those like yourself who seek personal enrichment by criticising those who are trying to help others. Spot on shukra ! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote: Maharishi was teaching this meditation for free for several years before residing in Hollywood and starting to charge for it simple meditation instruction. I doubt anyone back in India in those days would have paid to be given a mantra and a little advice on how to bring the mind to a state of restful alertness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
Two points on this. 1. The 30th anniversary was actually last summer. I guess the idea just came up. 2. None of the people mentioned below have actual Doctorate degrees. The idea just came up? Naw,take a look. He is trying to save his job and his relevance in the middle of the TMmovement today. That is to say, maintain his relevance in a spiritual movement that has rendered itself completely irrelevant. NO ONE CARES about TM or the TM movement other than people who are trying to protect their images of it and their own self-importance within it. It has no effect on society as a whole, and hasn't in decades. And neither have they, except in the limited sense that they can preserve the illusion of being big fish in a small pond. I find this celebration more than a little sad not because they're parading a group of non-Ph.D.s posing as Ph.D.s as if they were important, but because the *only* thing they can think of *as* important is something they were peripherally involved in 30 years ago. As noted before, you know your best days are behind you when you have to look into the past to find your inspiration. Look who he's invited to be with him while folks like DLynch, Roth, hagelin and others are out on the road teaching meditation. It's the old Bevan gang. While the others are out doing the work of the modern TMmovement. Doug, while on one level I appreciate your desire to find Bad Guys in all of this, and find someone to blame for the irrelevance of the TM movement, it's not Bevan. It's Maharishi. Dear Turq, Is not my desire. However, U r correct evidently about the situation. Seems more accurately he is a collaborator and co-conspirator. Closely with Maharishi. Long time. Is what it is. Science for the goose is Science for the gander? Evidently. Science of meditation and then a mighty conflicted science of management at several levels by any objective numbers on the other. Meditation on the one hand and the TM.org on the other. An enormity of good in meditation by the science and a consequent enormity of mismanaged potential in the organization. The history evidently becomes its own indictment by the 'science'. An indictment of a squandered opportunity for enormous good that could simply rise to crime against humanity by the significance of their own science. It is what it is. 30 years celebration, of integrity? A culture by what standard of science? the science of their 'management'? This list of speakers at this 30 year reunion is interesting to examine. Known or in a position to have known is a way modern criminal conspiracy indictments read. In conspiracy cases, Knowing or should have known as criminal criterion that gets called collaborative and co-conspiracy. Evidently some lot of things have happened evidently because of people letting them happen. known or should have known. Trustees, credulous donors just along at the celebrations and banquets, or trusted collaborators? Standing by or more than standing by. 'Knowing or in a position where they should have known'. Evidently by modern ethics, what they did either way says a lot about criminal character. *He* priced TM out of the market. *He* made it into something that even the rich wouldn't be interested in by cross-dressing his fanatical toadies in dresses and crowns. *He* rendered a passable and sometimes useful technique of meditation unsellable and unmar- ketable by associating it with infinite amounts of Woo Woo, money-grubbing, dogma, and elitism. *He* allowed or orchestrated most of the shitty things done to TMers and TM teachers who were ostracized for being Off The Program. *Maharishi* brought down the TM movement, not Bevan. He *personified* his own teaching about the tragedy of knowledge and ensured the irrelevance of TM and the TM movement by divorcing it from its own roots in simple, humble daily meditation, trying to shift the emphasis to taking credit for everything good while taking no responsibility for anything bad. While I respect your dream that someday the TMO will return to its roots and get back to teaching literally the only good thing it ever had to offer -- the basic TM technique -- it's never going to happen. Those days are as lost in the past as the events this celebration are trying to celebrate. The TM movement *cannot* change. It *cannot* revert to better days because Maharishi himself made that impossible. He was the master of ostracizing and demon- izing outmoded thinking. People were trained to not only not cling to Last Year's Big Idea, they were trained to *forget* it ever existed, and focus only on This Year's Big Idea. And now that there are no more Big Ideas, the most they can focus on is the last Big Idea he told them to
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Such instruction was almost non-existant before Maharishi and is exceedingly rare outside his teaching even today, though of course with success there are imitators, and those like yourself who seek personal enrichment by criticising those who are trying to help others. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Maharishi was teaching this meditation for free for several years before residing in Hollywood and starting to charge for it simple meditation instruction. I doubt anyone back in India in those days would have paid to be given a mantra and a little advice on how to bring the mind to a state of restful alertness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote: Turquoise, whilst I continue to practice transcendental meditation regularly, I can't help but wholeheartedly agree with what you say in this posting. There is no value in blaming others for what Maharishi himself instituted. I agree that those who find value in this meditation, and wish to teach it, should just get on with it, as Maharishi himself did. I am glad to hear that you consider TM unsellable, perhaps now people will revert to sharing it without asking payment. While I understand what you're trying to say, I hardly think that me considering TM unsellable is going to convince anyone else of that. :-) I do not delude myself into thinking that I have the level of influence that those who spend their lives stalking and trying to demonize me seem to think I have. But as for teaching meditation for free, I'm with you all the way. I taught TM, and I taught meditation in other contexts, always for free, and in fact paying for all the teaching expenses myself. I think the latter approach is better for all concerned. No one should ever make a profit by sharing something this essentially free. History teaches us that those who try *to* profit from it never do, and always lose karmically, as do their students. You don't give back to the world by charging for it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Two points on this. 1. The 30th anniversary was actually last summer. I guess the idea just came up. 2. None of the people mentioned below have actual Doctorate degrees. The idea just came up? Naw,take a look. He is trying to save his job and his relevance in the middle of the TMmovement today. That is to say, maintain his relevance in a spiritual movement that has rendered itself completely irrelevant. NO ONE CARES about TM or the TM movement other than people who are trying to protect their images of it and their own self-importance within it. It has no effect on society as a whole, and hasn't in decades. And neither have they, except in the limited sense that they can preserve the illusion of being big fish in a small pond. I find this celebration more than a little sad not because they're parading a group of non-Ph.D.s posing as Ph.D.s as if they were important, but because the *only* thing they can think of *as* important is something they were peripherally involved in 30 years ago. As noted before, you know your best days are behind you when you have to look into the past to find your inspiration. Look who he's invited to be with him while folks like DLynch, Roth, hagelin and others are out on the road teaching meditation. It's the old Bevan gang. While the others are out doing the work of the modern TMmovement. Doug, while on one level I appreciate your desire to find Bad Guys in all of this, and find someone to blame for the irrelevance of the TM movement, it's not Bevan. It's Maharishi. *He* priced TM out of the market. *He* made it into something that even the rich wouldn't be interested in by cross-dressing his fanatical toadies in dresses and crowns. *He* rendered a passable and sometimes useful technique of meditation unsellable and unmar- ketable by associating it with infinite amounts of Woo Woo, money-grubbing, dogma, and elitism. *He* allowed or orchestrated most of the shitty things done to TMers and TM teachers who were ostracized for being Off The Program. *Maharishi* brought down the TM movement, not Bevan. He *personified* his own teaching about the tragedy of knowledge and ensured the irrelevance of TM and the TM movement by divorcing it from its own roots in simple, humble daily meditation, trying to shift the
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
Vaj wrote: Interesting to see these independent teachers are continuing the Holy Tradition of lies. They are claiming that TM is derived from Sri Vidya and Advaita Vedanta--both of course are, sigh, untrue... All of the composers of the Upanishads (Vedanta) were transcendentalists - the term 'TM' means a 'meditation that is transcendental'. 'Transcendental' means that the Ultimate Reality is beyond the physical senses and can be experienced in a state of enstasis - non-dual, pure consciousness (Advaita). Now, let's review the facts: It is a fact that Guru Dev was a sannyasin of the Shankaracharya tradition, which was founded in the ninth century by the Adi Shankaracharya. It is a fact that Swami Brahmananda Saraswati practiced and taught a meditation based on the Advaita Vedanta. It is a fact, that Guru Dev's teacher was Swami Krishananda Saraswati of Uttar kashi, who was a member of the Shankaracharya Order, headquartered at Sringeri. It is incumbent on all members of the Saraswati Order to meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati at least twice daily. It is a fact, that the Saraswati order of sannyasins at Sringeri all follow the path of the Sri Vidya. It is a fact that they all revere the Sri Yantra and the Anandalahiri. It also a fact that the bija mantra of Saraswati is enumerated in the Anandalahiri and inscribed on the Sri Yantra. It's not a leap of imagination, based on the facts, to assume that the Mahesh Yogi got the bija mantra of Saraswati from his teacher, who got it from his teacher, all the way back to the founder of the Saraswati Order, the Adi Shankara, who composed the Anandalahiri, with the Saraswati bija in it, and who placed the Shri Yantra at Sringeri, with the Saraswati bija inscribed on it. A Tantric Acharya confirmed almost everything I pointed out above. Apparently these facts are common knowledge all over India, and most Indian store clerks even know about it, but to you it's confusing. Go figure. Read more: From: Willytex Subject: Re: Adi Shankara Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December 8, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/ycoamch From: Willytex Subject: Bijas and Other Seed Sounds Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: November 26, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/yhr53b2
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
They are claiming that TM is derived from Sri Vidya and Advaita Vedanta... Bhairitu wrote: Do you think MMY just made it up or found it elsewhere...? The Adi Shankaracharya is the founder of the Advaita Vedanta in the ninth century. So we know that as a fact and not something made up by MMY. And, we know that all of the Saraswati sannyasins at Sringeri follow the Sri Vidya tradition. So, we know that as a fact and not something made up by MMY. All of the Saraswati sannyasins meditate on the Saraswati bija mantra, just like TMers do. Apparently nobody knows for sure where the Saraswati bija mantra came from. I suspect that the Saraswati bija is Tantric Buddhist in origin - it is mentioned in several Tibetan Tantras. It's obviously the nick-name for Tara, in Tantric Buddhist meditation.
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And what about Swami Vivekenanda, Swami Shivananda, Swami Yogananda, and the list goes on and on? I met a software engineer once whose dad came to Hollywood to teach yoga way before Maharishi arrived. Maharishi was just another flavor of the month for the mystical societies that Charlie Lutes and his buddies were involved in. What you can claim is that Maharishi popularized meditation. shukra69 wrote: Such instruction was almost non-existant before Maharishi and is exceedingly rare outside his teaching even today, though of course with success there are imitators, and those like yourself who seek personal enrichment by criticising those who are trying to help others. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Maharishi was teaching this meditation for free for several years before residing in Hollywood and starting to charge for it simple meditation instruction. I doubt anyone back in India in those days would have paid to be given a mantra and a little advice on how to bring the mind to a state of restful alertness.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... This entire thread is such a load of (since it's Christmas)reindeer manure. Even as the usual TM trolls, the ghosts of Christmas Past, unearth as much Scroogey dirt and scorn as they can possibly heap upon the TMO and Maharishi, I know in my heart their lies and lumps of coal concerning course fees, bogus knowledge and research, and off the reservation teachers, can never diminish Maharishi's greatness. Bah Humbug, to the TM critics. May they be so lucky as to have even the a fraction of the capacity to bless us with such profound knowledge and give so selflessly of themselves for the betterment of humanity as did Maharishi. Jai Guru Dev. BINGO !
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: ...and seemingly, we should remind ourselves, with Maharishi's blessing. Remember what his response was to a question by a reporter about 6 years ago when asked what he thought about people learning TM from sources OUTSIDE the TMO: We are satisfied. From what I remember He said We are satisfied if then something. I'm sure you can find that quote but it certainly is open for severeal interpretations, not only you bombastic conclusion. No, Nabby, that was the end of the quote. Full stop. And the complete quote is reproduced right here on the thread by Paul Mason. Now I know you are much superior in consciousness to everyone here so your interpretation counts for far much more, so why don't you take a crack at it and tell us what other interpretations there could be to the quote? Ponder the word artificial in the quote and see if you come up with something. Then again you probably won't because you have already made up your mind. H. Let's see. I am pondering the words the man is getting something useful to make his life better and we are satisfied. What man ? The person who is taught something or he who teaches expanding his ego and wallet at the expense of altruistic financing a better world ? Ofcourse in His generousity Maharishi could even be happy for and be satisfied that these thieves are experiencing even some small sort of success. I am also pondering the words Nabby doesn't have anything to say to counter this obvious interpretation. Perhaps He was just in a generous mood having been asked a question by someone. You convieniently skip that it goes against everything He said for decades As always you choose the simple, conservative, unimaginative and obvious solutions. Your setup seems rather, well, artificial.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: ...and seemingly, we should remind ourselves, with Maharishi's blessing. Remember what his response was to a question by a reporter about 6 years ago when asked what he thought about people learning TM from sources OUTSIDE the TMO: We are satisfied. From what I remember He said We are satisfied if then something. I'm sure you can find that quote but it certainly is open for severeal interpretations, not only you bombastic conclusion. No, Nabby, that was the end of the quote. Full stop. And the complete quote is reproduced right here on the thread by Paul Mason. Now I know you are much superior in consciousness to everyone here so your interpretation counts for far much more, so why don't you take a crack at it and tell us what other interpretations there could be to the quote? Ponder the word artificial in the quote and see if you come up with something. Then again you probably won't because you have already made up your mind. H. Let's see. I am pondering the words the man is getting something useful to make his life better and we are satisfied. I am also pondering the words Nabby doesn't have anything to say to counter this obvious interpretation. Here's Maharishi on video making that statement: http://snipurl.com/tuf97 [f1_grp_yahoofs_com]
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On Dec 24, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: My mantra shastra guru explained there were two ways to give mantra authentically: puja and adhikara. Adhikara meant you knew the person well enough, like a traditional guru would know his student, to know what was best for their personality, their goals and their karma. Adhikara was best, puja was secondary--but with puja the correct way was what the student wanted or loved. I do believe the way M. designed the mantra to be given and empowered is authentic, just unusual. Yes I am familiar with this. So you're saying that because the student signed up to learn TM that is what they want. And hence the puja method was used. No actually they knew what god or goddess they wanted. For example, a businessman might want Laxmi, a scholar might want Saraswati, etc. Where this is hidden, issues arise. Obviously the Adhikara method would take some time and making teachers would be very difficult and M would have at best had 20 to 100 teachers. Perhaps we should discuss offline. There is some stuff from Nadi astrology that rings similar to the selection of mantras. Yeah, let discuss off list.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: [snip] What man ? The person who is taught something or he who teaches expanding his ego and wallet at the expense of altruistic financing a better world ? Ofcourse in His generousity Maharishi could even be happy for and be satisfied that these thieves are experiencing even some small sort of success. I am also pondering the words Nabby doesn't have anything to say to counter this obvious interpretation. Perhaps He was just in a generous mood having been asked a question by someone. You convieniently skip that it goes against everything He said for decades There are MANY things Maharishi said and did in the last 25-30 years of the TMO that went against everything he did previous to that. And they are so numerous and obvious that to list them all would both take too long and would be repeating what we've discussed on this forum over the last 8 years many times. But you who are obviously a disciple of Maharishi and because you are committed to believing and doing whatever he said must take the good with the bad. I, on the other hand, am free to disagree because I practise the TM Program which doesn't include gurus. You love to reproduce the capitalism is the next to go line here ad infinitum. Well, I disagree with that line and don't think he should have said it. But he did...and now I have to put up with you shoving it down our throats every five minutes. But he comes up with the we are satisfied line and all of a sudden he didn't mean what he said. The twists, turns, and mental gymnastics you go through in your intellect aren't giving me a convincing argument. I wonder what you have to say about something that was said a few years ago. There was a South American country that was going to teach a whole lot of people en masse in TM and what did we hear out of Holland? That to expedite the process that the people would be taught over the internet. Kinda like Maharishi did about 35 years ago when he went to Nepal and attempted to teach thousands in what I think, if memory serves me, a soccer stadium. Tell me how initiaing people en masse over the internet is any better or any worse than the we are satisfied line about outside-the-TMO teachers? As always you choose the simple, conservative, unimaginative and obvious solutions. Your setup seems rather, well, artificial.
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On Dec 25, 2009, at 10:28 AM, ShempMcGurk wrote: But you who are obviously a disciple of Maharishi and because you are committed to believing and doing whatever he said must take the good with the bad. I, on the other hand, am free to disagree because I practise the TM Program which doesn't include gurus. So you didn't have the puja performed when you were instructed? Maybe you aren't actually practicing TM? So you didn't invoke the lineage of gurus through the 16-fold form of worship when you taught TM, with you serving as the vehicle for the giving of mantra? Maybe you're not a TM teacher after all? Or maybe you're just in some form of denial?
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Vaj wrote: On Dec 24, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: My mantra shastra guru explained there were two ways to give mantra authentically: puja and adhikara. Adhikara meant you knew the person well enough, like a traditional guru would know his student, to know what was best for their personality, their goals and their karma. Adhikara was best, puja was secondary--but with puja the correct way was what the student wanted or loved. I do believe the way M. designed the mantra to be given and empowered is authentic, just unusual. Yes I am familiar with this. So you're saying that because the student signed up to learn TM that is what they want. And hence the puja method was used. No actually they knew what god or goddess they wanted. For example, a businessman might want Laxmi, a scholar might want Saraswati, etc. Where this is hidden, issues arise. Yes I'm aware of that practice too but it won't work in the west. I was suggesting that TM might be an abstraction of that but really it is just another technique for the masses (don't tell anyone here that). In fact it started very similar to what most yogis teach that way. I think I agree with Rick that he was trying to differentiate TM from the other public systems and hence the current program.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 25, 2009, at 10:28 AM, ShempMcGurk wrote: But you who are obviously a disciple of Maharishi and because you are committed to believing and doing whatever he said must take the good with the bad. I, on the other hand, am free to disagree because I practise the TM Program which doesn't include gurus. So you didn't have the puja performed when you were instructed? Maybe you aren't actually practicing TM? So you didn't invoke the lineage of gurus through the 16-fold form of worship when you taught TM, with you serving as the vehicle for the giving of mantra? Maybe you're not a TM teacher after all? Or maybe you're just in some form of denial? ...maybe I don't understand a fucking word you're babbling on about...
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: What man ? The person who is taught something or he who teaches expanding his ego and wallet at the expense of altruistic financing a better world ? There are MANY things Maharishi said and did in the last 25-30 years of the TMO that went against everything he did previous to that. I understand you refuse to answer the question. And they are so numerous and obvious that to list them all would both take too long and would be repeating what we've discussed on this forum over the last 8 years many times. An example would be nice. But don't come up with an example where Maharishi changed policies to challenge the stubborness, restricted thinking and/or laziness of His followers. But you who are obviously a disciple of Maharishi and because you are committed to believing and doing whatever he said must take the good with the bad. I, on the other hand, am free to disagree because I practise the TM Program which doesn't include gurus. That's your obvious right. You love to reproduce the capitalism is the next to go line here ad infinitum. Well, I disagree with that line and don't think he should have said it. But he did...and now I have to put up with you shoving it down our throats every five minutes. You are attached to an economic system that has proven to be a catastrophy for humanity. You can stubbornly disagree until you puke but the fact is that capatalism is finished, since you a l r e a d y haven't noticed. Get used to it. But he comes up with the we are satisfied line and all of a sudden he didn't mean what he said. Did I say that ? Was He satisfied with the sucess of a handfull of renegade teachers ? Could be, perhaps they somehow deserved finally some minor success. The day you claim to fully understand Maharishi you have lost. Since He is not your Guru, why bother ? I wonder what you have to say about something that was said a few years ago. There was a South American country that was going to teach a whole lot of people en masse in TM and what did we hear out of Holland? That to expedite the process that the people would be taught over the internet. From whom did you hear this amusing rumour ? From our own relfproclaimed Oracle, Rick Archer ? Kinda like Maharishi did about 35 years ago when he went to Nepal and attempted to teach thousands in what I think, if memory serves me, a soccer stadium. And He did Initiate thousands with the help of Nepalese Governors on a soccer stadium in Kathmandu. Probably the first time it was done. Later this became standard procedure for teaching groups. Works fine. snip As always you choose the simple, conservative, unimaginative and obvious solutions. Your setup seems rather, well, artificial.
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On Dec 25, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: On Dec 24, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: My mantra shastra guru explained there were two ways to give mantra authentically: puja and adhikara. Adhikara meant you knew the person well enough, like a traditional guru would know his student, to know what was best for their personality, their goals and their karma. Adhikara was best, puja was secondary--but with puja the correct way was what the student wanted or loved. I do believe the way M. designed the mantra to be given and empowered is authentic, just unusual. Yes I am familiar with this. So you're saying that because the student signed up to learn TM that is what they want. And hence the puja method was used. No actually they knew what god or goddess they wanted. For example, a businessman might want Laxmi, a scholar might want Saraswati, etc. Where this is hidden, issues arise. Yes I'm aware of that practice too but it won't work in the west. Actually I know a number of authentic yogis who gave mantra that way, in the US. I was suggesting that TM might be an abstraction of that but really it is just another technique for the masses (don't tell anyone here that). Well, yes, of course. In fact it started very similar to what most yogis teach that way. I think I agree with Rick that he was trying to differentiate TM from the other public systems and hence the current program. I think at a certain point, he had to develop a method for those who had no clue about mantra science (TM teachers) and at the same time to disguise the religious nature so it was palatable for the masses. The good thing is, he did encapsulate it in a way that made the initiation remain authentic, despite all the lies about what was really going down and the source of the mantras. Many actually believed they were receiving some special, unique mantra, meant specially for them! I much prefer the way the Tibeto-Himalayan yogis give mantra diksha. It's the only way I give mantras anymore, unless it's a Nath initiation.
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Vaj wrote: On Dec 25, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: On Dec 24, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: My mantra shastra guru explained there were two ways to give mantra authentically: puja and adhikara. Adhikara meant you knew the person well enough, like a traditional guru would know his student, to know what was best for their personality, their goals and their karma. Adhikara was best, puja was secondary--but with puja the correct way was what the student wanted or loved. I do believe the way M. designed the mantra to be given and empowered is authentic, just unusual. Yes I am familiar with this. So you're saying that because the student signed up to learn TM that is what they want. And hence the puja method was used. No actually they knew what god or goddess they wanted. For example, a businessman might want Laxmi, a scholar might want Saraswati, etc. Where this is hidden, issues arise. Yes I'm aware of that practice too but it won't work in the west. Actually I know a number of authentic yogis who gave mantra that way, in the US. To people who didn't know about Krishna, Shiva or Rama? I've seen examples of mantra selection for icons of other religions. Actually the method I've been instructed in for public meditation is very simple and has a lot of flexibility to it. But to get there you have to pass the scrutiny of the guru. For me it took about 5 years. Maybe shorter for others especially if you're younger and have a less complicated life. Could you imagine MMY waiting 4-5 years for teachers to be ready? And I don't think he trusted westerners enough to do anything more than a rote instruction. I was suggesting that TM might be an abstraction of that but really it is just another technique for the masses (don't tell anyone here that). Well, yes, of course. But without Omkara and using some mantras that aren't used for the public. In fact it started very similar to what most yogis teach that way. I think I agree with Rick that he was trying to differentiate TM from the other public systems and hence the current program. I think at a certain point, he had to develop a method for those who had no clue about mantra science (TM teachers) and at the same time to disguise the religious nature so it was palatable for the masses. The good thing is, he did encapsulate it in a way that made the initiation remain authentic, despite all the lies about what was really going down and the source of the mantras. Many actually believed they were receiving some special, unique mantra, meant specially for them! I much prefer the way the Tibeto-Himalayan yogis give mantra diksha. It's the only way I give mantras anymore, unless it's a Nath initiation. I don't have much inclination toward the Tibetan school of thought other than to chat with some of the monks. I really resonate with the more traditional Hindu teachings especially tantra. Interesting how people resonate differently.
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On Dec 25, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I much prefer the way the Tibeto-Himalayan yogis give mantra diksha. It's the only way I give mantras anymore, unless it's a Nath initiation. I don't have much inclination toward the Tibetan school of thought other than to chat with some of the monks. I really resonate with the more traditional Hindu teachings especially tantra. Interesting how people resonate differently. Actually, this would be a purely tantric method. Similar to tantric mantrayana of the Kali and Shaivite schools.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Two points on this. 1. The 30th anniversary was actually last summer. I guess the idea just came up. 2. None of the people mentioned below have actual Doctorate degrees. The idea just came up? Naw,take a look. He is trying to save his job and his relevance in the middle of the TMmovement today. That is to say, maintain his relevance in a spiritual movement that has rendered itself completely irrelevant. NO ONE CARES about TM or the TM movement other than people who are trying to protect their images of it and their own self-importance within it. It has no effect on society as a whole, and hasn't in decades. And neither have they, except in the limited sense that they can preserve the illusion of being big fish in a small pond. I find this celebration more than a little sad not because they're parading a group of non-Ph.D.s posing as Ph.D.s as if they were important, but because the *only* thing they can think of *as* important is something they were peripherally involved in 30 years ago. As noted before, you know your best days are behind you when you have to look into the past to find your inspiration. Look who he's invited to be with him while folks like DLynch, Roth, hagelin and others are out on the road teaching meditation. It's the old Bevan gang. While the others are out doing the work of the modern TMmovement. Doug, while on one level I appreciate your desire to find Bad Guys in all of this, and find someone to blame for the irrelevance of the TM movement, it's not Bevan. It's Maharishi. *He* priced TM out of the market. *He* made it into something that even the rich wouldn't be interested in by cross-dressing his fanatical toadies in dresses and crowns. *He* rendered a passable and sometimes useful technique of meditation unsellable and unmar- ketable by associating it with infinite amounts of Woo Woo, money-grubbing, dogma, and elitism. *He* allowed or orchestrated most of the shitty things done to TMers and TM teachers who were ostracized for being Off The Program. *Maharishi* brought down the TM movement, not Bevan. He *personified* his own teaching about the tragedy of knowledge and ensured the irrelevance of TM and the TM movement by divorcing it from its own roots in simple, humble daily meditation, trying to shift the emphasis to taking credit for everything good while taking no responsibility for anything bad. While I respect your dream that someday the TMO will return to its roots and get back to teaching literally the only good thing it ever had to offer -- the basic TM technique -- it's never going to happen. Those days are as lost in the past as the events this celebration are trying to celebrate. The TM movement *cannot* change. It *cannot* revert to better days because Maharishi himself made that impossible. He was the master of ostracizing and demon- izing outmoded thinking. People were trained to not only not cling to Last Year's Big Idea, they were trained to *forget* it ever existed, and focus only on This Year's Big Idea. And now that there are no more Big Ideas, the most they can focus on is the last Big Idea he told them to follow, and the glorious past. With all due respect, that's what you're doing as well. You'd like to see a return to these brighter days, in which both TM and the TM movement had some relevance -- to the world and to you. Not gonna happen. It *cannot* because Maharishi carefully made going against his latest Big Ideas the highest crime, punishable by excommunication and demonization. Don't sign on as a full-time TM teacher when told to? You're no longer a TM teacher. Don't do *exactly* what Maharishi told you to do when trying to implement one of his Big Ideas, ludicrous though it may be? You're history. You're history. Anyone who reveres the good old days is history. You have no place in the modern TM move- ment. Which, if you look at it properly, is probably a favor, because the modern TM movement has no place in the modern world. If you like the idea of teaching basic meditation, go out and teach basic meditation and let these holy-ego- rollers roll around in their self importance. Don't try to blame *them* for still being caught up in trying to become the biggest fish in an ever-shrinking pond. They were *taught* to do this. Ferchrissakes, Maharishi spent his last few days trying to get people to do it *more than ever*, pulling a King Lear and pitting Raja against Raja to see who would pony up the most money to erect fuckin' Maharishi Phalluses Of Enlightenment. *That* is where wanting to be a big fish in a small pond leads one. Maharishi died essentially acting out one of the greatest tragedies in human history, King Lear. Do you really want to go that route yourself? Let the dead go. Let the waters of time carry them away. Don't dive down into
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Turquoise, whilst I continue to practice transcendental meditation regularly, I can't help but wholeheartedly agree with what you say in this posting. There is no value in blaming others for what Maharishi himself instituted. I agree that those who find value in this meditation, and wish to teach it, should just get on with it, as Maharishi himself did. I am glad to hear that you consider TM unsellable, perhaps now people will revert to sharing it without asking payment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Two points on this. 1. The 30th anniversary was actually last summer. I guess the idea just came up. 2. None of the people mentioned below have actual Doctorate degrees. The idea just came up? Naw,take a look. He is trying to save his job and his relevance in the middle of the TMmovement today. That is to say, maintain his relevance in a spiritual movement that has rendered itself completely irrelevant. NO ONE CARES about TM or the TM movement other than people who are trying to protect their images of it and their own self-importance within it. It has no effect on society as a whole, and hasn't in decades. And neither have they, except in the limited sense that they can preserve the illusion of being big fish in a small pond. I find this celebration more than a little sad not because they're parading a group of non-Ph.D.s posing as Ph.D.s as if they were important, but because the *only* thing they can think of *as* important is something they were peripherally involved in 30 years ago. As noted before, you know your best days are behind you when you have to look into the past to find your inspiration. Look who he's invited to be with him while folks like DLynch, Roth, hagelin and others are out on the road teaching meditation. It's the old Bevan gang. While the others are out doing the work of the modern TMmovement. Doug, while on one level I appreciate your desire to find Bad Guys in all of this, and find someone to blame for the irrelevance of the TM movement, it's not Bevan. It's Maharishi. *He* priced TM out of the market. *He* made it into something that even the rich wouldn't be interested in by cross-dressing his fanatical toadies in dresses and crowns. *He* rendered a passable and sometimes useful technique of meditation unsellable and unmar- ketable by associating it with infinite amounts of Woo Woo, money-grubbing, dogma, and elitism. *He* allowed or orchestrated most of the shitty things done to TMers and TM teachers who were ostracized for being Off The Program. *Maharishi* brought down the TM movement, not Bevan. He *personified* his own teaching about the tragedy of knowledge and ensured the irrelevance of TM and the TM movement by divorcing it from its own roots in simple, humble daily meditation, trying to shift the emphasis to taking credit for everything good while taking no responsibility for anything bad. While I respect your dream that someday the TMO will return to its roots and get back to teaching literally the only good thing it ever had to offer -- the basic TM technique -- it's never going to happen. Those days are as lost in the past as the events this celebration are trying to celebrate. The TM movement *cannot* change. It *cannot* revert to better days because Maharishi himself made that impossible. He was the master of ostracizing and demon- izing outmoded thinking. People were trained to not only not cling to Last Year's Big Idea, they were trained to *forget* it ever existed, and focus only on This Year's Big Idea. And now that there are no more Big Ideas, the most they can focus on is the last Big Idea he told them to follow, and the glorious past. With all due respect, that's what you're doing as well. You'd like to see a return to these brighter days, in which both TM and the TM movement had some relevance -- to the world and to you. Not gonna happen. It *cannot* because Maharishi carefully made going against his latest Big Ideas the highest crime, punishable by excommunication and demonization. Don't sign on as a full-time TM teacher when told to? You're no longer a TM teacher. Don't do *exactly* what Maharishi told you to do when trying to implement one of his Big Ideas, ludicrous though it may be? You're history. You're history. Anyone who reveres the good old days is history. You have no place in the modern TM move- ment. Which, if you look at it properly, is probably a favor, because the modern TM movement has no place in the modern world. If you like the idea of teaching basic meditation, go out and teach basic meditation and let these holy-ego- rollers roll around in their self importance. Don't try to blame
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Turquoise, whilst I continue to practice transcendental meditation regularly, I can't help but wholeheartedly agree with what you say in this posting. There is no value in blaming others for what Maharishi himself instituted. I agree that those who find value in this meditation, and wish to teach it, should just get on with it, as Maharishi himself did. I am glad to hear that you consider TM unsellable, perhaps now people will revert to sharing it without asking payment. While I understand what you're trying to say, I hardly think that me considering TM unsellable is going to convince anyone else of that. :-) I do not delude myself into thinking that I have the level of influence that those who spend their lives stalking and trying to demonize me seem to think I have. But as for teaching meditation for free, I'm with you all the way. I taught TM, and I taught meditation in other contexts, always for free, and in fact paying for all the teaching expenses myself. I think the latter approach is better for all concerned. No one should ever make a profit by sharing something this essentially free. History teaches us that those who try *to* profit from it never do, and always lose karmically, as do their students. You don't give back to the world by charging for it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Two points on this. 1. The 30th anniversary was actually last summer. I guess the idea just came up. 2. None of the people mentioned below have actual Doctorate degrees. The idea just came up? Naw,take a look. He is trying to save his job and his relevance in the middle of the TMmovement today. That is to say, maintain his relevance in a spiritual movement that has rendered itself completely irrelevant. NO ONE CARES about TM or the TM movement other than people who are trying to protect their images of it and their own self-importance within it. It has no effect on society as a whole, and hasn't in decades. And neither have they, except in the limited sense that they can preserve the illusion of being big fish in a small pond. I find this celebration more than a little sad not because they're parading a group of non-Ph.D.s posing as Ph.D.s as if they were important, but because the *only* thing they can think of *as* important is something they were peripherally involved in 30 years ago. As noted before, you know your best days are behind you when you have to look into the past to find your inspiration. Look who he's invited to be with him while folks like DLynch, Roth, hagelin and others are out on the road teaching meditation. It's the old Bevan gang. While the others are out doing the work of the modern TMmovement. Doug, while on one level I appreciate your desire to find Bad Guys in all of this, and find someone to blame for the irrelevance of the TM movement, it's not Bevan. It's Maharishi. *He* priced TM out of the market. *He* made it into something that even the rich wouldn't be interested in by cross-dressing his fanatical toadies in dresses and crowns. *He* rendered a passable and sometimes useful technique of meditation unsellable and unmar- ketable by associating it with infinite amounts of Woo Woo, money-grubbing, dogma, and elitism. *He* allowed or orchestrated most of the shitty things done to TMers and TM teachers who were ostracized for being Off The Program. *Maharishi* brought down the TM movement, not Bevan. He *personified* his own teaching about the tragedy of knowledge and ensured the irrelevance of TM and the TM movement by divorcing it from its own roots in simple, humble daily meditation, trying to shift the emphasis to taking credit for everything good while taking no responsibility for anything bad. While I respect your dream that someday the TMO will return to its roots and get back to teaching literally the only good thing it ever had to offer -- the basic TM technique -- it's never going to happen. Those days are as lost in the past as the events this celebration are trying to celebrate. The TM movement *cannot* change. It *cannot* revert to better days because Maharishi himself made that impossible. He was the master of ostracizing and demon- izing outmoded thinking. People were trained to not only not cling to Last Year's Big Idea, they were trained to *forget* it ever existed, and focus only on This Year's Big Idea. And now that there are no more Big Ideas, the most they can focus on is the last Big Idea he told them to follow, and the glorious past. With all due respect, that's what
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Maharishi was teaching this meditation for free for several years before residing in Hollywood and starting to charge for it simple meditation instruction. I doubt anyone back in India in those days would have paid to be given a mantra and a little advice on how to bring the mind to a state of restful alertness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote: Turquoise, whilst I continue to practice transcendental meditation regularly, I can't help but wholeheartedly agree with what you say in this posting. There is no value in blaming others for what Maharishi himself instituted. I agree that those who find value in this meditation, and wish to teach it, should just get on with it, as Maharishi himself did. I am glad to hear that you consider TM unsellable, perhaps now people will revert to sharing it without asking payment. While I understand what you're trying to say, I hardly think that me considering TM unsellable is going to convince anyone else of that. :-) I do not delude myself into thinking that I have the level of influence that those who spend their lives stalking and trying to demonize me seem to think I have. But as for teaching meditation for free, I'm with you all the way. I taught TM, and I taught meditation in other contexts, always for free, and in fact paying for all the teaching expenses myself. I think the latter approach is better for all concerned. No one should ever make a profit by sharing something this essentially free. History teaches us that those who try *to* profit from it never do, and always lose karmically, as do their students. You don't give back to the world by charging for it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Two points on this. 1. The 30th anniversary was actually last summer. I guess the idea just came up. 2. None of the people mentioned below have actual Doctorate degrees. The idea just came up? Naw,take a look. He is trying to save his job and his relevance in the middle of the TMmovement today. That is to say, maintain his relevance in a spiritual movement that has rendered itself completely irrelevant. NO ONE CARES about TM or the TM movement other than people who are trying to protect their images of it and their own self-importance within it. It has no effect on society as a whole, and hasn't in decades. And neither have they, except in the limited sense that they can preserve the illusion of being big fish in a small pond. I find this celebration more than a little sad not because they're parading a group of non-Ph.D.s posing as Ph.D.s as if they were important, but because the *only* thing they can think of *as* important is something they were peripherally involved in 30 years ago. As noted before, you know your best days are behind you when you have to look into the past to find your inspiration. Look who he's invited to be with him while folks like DLynch, Roth, hagelin and others are out on the road teaching meditation. It's the old Bevan gang. While the others are out doing the work of the modern TMmovement. Doug, while on one level I appreciate your desire to find Bad Guys in all of this, and find someone to blame for the irrelevance of the TM movement, it's not Bevan. It's Maharishi. *He* priced TM out of the market. *He* made it into something that even the rich wouldn't be interested in by cross-dressing his fanatical toadies in dresses and crowns. *He* rendered a passable and sometimes useful technique of meditation unsellable and unmar- ketable by associating it with infinite amounts of Woo Woo, money-grubbing, dogma, and elitism. *He* allowed or orchestrated most of the shitty things done to TMers and TM teachers who were ostracized for being Off The Program. *Maharishi* brought down the TM movement, not Bevan. He *personified* his own teaching about the tragedy of knowledge and ensured the irrelevance of TM and the TM movement by divorcing it from its own roots in simple, humble daily meditation, trying to shift the emphasis to taking credit for everything good while taking no responsibility for anything bad. While I respect your dream that someday the TMO will return to its roots and get back to teaching literally the only good thing it ever had to offer -- the basic TM technique -- it's never going to happen. Those days are as lost in the past as the events this celebration are trying to celebrate. The TM movement *cannot* change.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Maharishi was teaching this meditation for free for several years before residing in Hollywood and starting to charge for it simple meditation instruction. I doubt anyone back in India in those days would have paid to be given a mantra and a little advice on how to bring the mind to a state of restful alertness. How many people do you think would have learned to meditate if he'd never started charging for it?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip As noted before, you know your best days are behind you when you have to look into the past to find your inspiration. At least they're looking to the past for *positive* inspiration, unlike those who spend most of their time here looking to the past to inspire their scorn and loathing, as does the post I'm responding to.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Turquoise, whilst I continue to practice transcendental meditation regularly, I can't help but wholeheartedly agree with what you say in this posting. There is no value in blaming others for what Maharishi himself instituted. I agree that those who find value in this meditation, and wish to teach it, should just get on with it, as Maharishi himself did. I am glad to hear that you consider TM unsellable, perhaps now people will revert to sharing it without asking payment. ...and seemingly, we should remind ourselves, with Maharishi's blessing. Remember what his response was to a question by a reporter about 6 years ago when asked what he thought about people learning TM from sources OUTSIDE the TMO: We are satisfied. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Two points on this. 1. The 30th anniversary was actually last summer. I guess the idea just came up. 2. None of the people mentioned below have actual Doctorate degrees. The idea just came up? Naw,take a look. He is trying to save his job and his relevance in the middle of the TMmovement today. That is to say, maintain his relevance in a spiritual movement that has rendered itself completely irrelevant. NO ONE CARES about TM or the TM movement other than people who are trying to protect their images of it and their own self-importance within it. It has no effect on society as a whole, and hasn't in decades. And neither have they, except in the limited sense that they can preserve the illusion of being big fish in a small pond. I find this celebration more than a little sad not because they're parading a group of non-Ph.D.s posing as Ph.D.s as if they were important, but because the *only* thing they can think of *as* important is something they were peripherally involved in 30 years ago. As noted before, you know your best days are behind you when you have to look into the past to find your inspiration. Look who he's invited to be with him while folks like DLynch, Roth, hagelin and others are out on the road teaching meditation. It's the old Bevan gang. While the others are out doing the work of the modern TMmovement. Doug, while on one level I appreciate your desire to find Bad Guys in all of this, and find someone to blame for the irrelevance of the TM movement, it's not Bevan. It's Maharishi. *He* priced TM out of the market. *He* made it into something that even the rich wouldn't be interested in by cross-dressing his fanatical toadies in dresses and crowns. *He* rendered a passable and sometimes useful technique of meditation unsellable and unmar- ketable by associating it with infinite amounts of Woo Woo, money-grubbing, dogma, and elitism. *He* allowed or orchestrated most of the shitty things done to TMers and TM teachers who were ostracized for being Off The Program. *Maharishi* brought down the TM movement, not Bevan. He *personified* his own teaching about the tragedy of knowledge and ensured the irrelevance of TM and the TM movement by divorcing it from its own roots in simple, humble daily meditation, trying to shift the emphasis to taking credit for everything good while taking no responsibility for anything bad. While I respect your dream that someday the TMO will return to its roots and get back to teaching literally the only good thing it ever had to offer -- the basic TM technique -- it's never going to happen. Those days are as lost in the past as the events this celebration are trying to celebrate. The TM movement *cannot* change. It *cannot* revert to better days because Maharishi himself made that impossible. He was the master of ostracizing and demon- izing outmoded thinking. People were trained to not only not cling to Last Year's Big Idea, they were trained to *forget* it ever existed, and focus only on This Year's Big Idea. And now that there are no more Big Ideas, the most they can focus on is the last Big Idea he told them to follow, and the glorious past. With all due respect, that's what you're doing as well. You'd like to see a return to these brighter days, in which both TM and the TM movement had some relevance -- to the world and to you. Not gonna happen. It *cannot* because Maharishi carefully made going against his latest Big Ideas the highest crime, punishable by excommunication and demonization. Don't sign on as a full-time TM teacher when told to? You're no longer a TM teacher. Don't do *exactly* what Maharishi told you to do when trying to implement one of his Big Ideas, ludicrous though it may
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Shremp, you are of course correct about Maharishi's endorsement of TM teaching outside of the movement. On television on 14th May 2003 he stated:- What I have taught, because it has it's eternal authenticity in the Vedic literature and you should know that, how many? 30 40 thousand teachers of TM I have trained and many of them have gone on there own and they may not call it Maharishi's TM but they are teaching it in some different name here and there. So there's a lot of these, artificial things are going on, doesn't matter, as long as the man is getting something useful to make his life better, we are satisfied. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote: Turquoise, whilst I continue to practice transcendental meditation regularly, I can't help but wholeheartedly agree with what you say in this posting. There is no value in blaming others for what Maharishi himself instituted. I agree that those who find value in this meditation, and wish to teach it, should just get on with it, as Maharishi himself did. I am glad to hear that you consider TM unsellable, perhaps now people will revert to sharing it without asking payment. ...and seemingly, we should remind ourselves, with Maharishi's blessing. Remember what his response was to a question by a reporter about 6 years ago when asked what he thought about people learning TM from sources OUTSIDE the TMO: We are satisfied. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Two points on this. 1. The 30th anniversary was actually last summer. I guess the idea just came up. 2. None of the people mentioned below have actual Doctorate degrees. The idea just came up? Naw,take a look. He is trying to save his job and his relevance in the middle of the TMmovement today. That is to say, maintain his relevance in a spiritual movement that has rendered itself completely irrelevant. NO ONE CARES about TM or the TM movement other than people who are trying to protect their images of it and their own self-importance within it. It has no effect on society as a whole, and hasn't in decades. And neither have they, except in the limited sense that they can preserve the illusion of being big fish in a small pond. I find this celebration more than a little sad not because they're parading a group of non-Ph.D.s posing as Ph.D.s as if they were important, but because the *only* thing they can think of *as* important is something they were peripherally involved in 30 years ago. As noted before, you know your best days are behind you when you have to look into the past to find your inspiration. Look who he's invited to be with him while folks like DLynch, Roth, hagelin and others are out on the road teaching meditation. It's the old Bevan gang. While the others are out doing the work of the modern TMmovement. Doug, while on one level I appreciate your desire to find Bad Guys in all of this, and find someone to blame for the irrelevance of the TM movement, it's not Bevan. It's Maharishi. *He* priced TM out of the market. *He* made it into something that even the rich wouldn't be interested in by cross-dressing his fanatical toadies in dresses and crowns. *He* rendered a passable and sometimes useful technique of meditation unsellable and unmar- ketable by associating it with infinite amounts of Woo Woo, money-grubbing, dogma, and elitism. *He* allowed or orchestrated most of the shitty things done to TMers and TM teachers who were ostracized for being Off The Program. *Maharishi* brought down the TM movement, not Bevan. He *personified* his own teaching about the tragedy of knowledge and ensured the irrelevance of TM and the TM movement by divorcing it from its own roots in simple, humble daily meditation, trying to shift the emphasis to taking credit for everything good while taking no responsibility for anything bad. While I respect your dream that someday the TMO will return to its roots and get back to teaching literally the only good thing it ever had to offer -- the basic TM technique -- it's never going to happen. Those days are as lost in the past as the events this celebration are trying to celebrate. The TM movement *cannot* change. It *cannot* revert to better days because Maharishi himself made that impossible. He was the master of ostracizing and demon- izing outmoded thinking. People were trained to not only not cling to Last Year's Big Idea, they were
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On Dec 24, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Premanand wrote: Shremp, you are of course correct about Maharishi's endorsement of TM teaching outside of the movement. On television on 14th May 2003 he stated:- What I have taught, because it has it's eternal authenticity in the Vedic literature and you should know that, how many? 30 – 40 thousand teachers of TM I have trained and many of them have gone on there own and they may not call it Maharishi's TM but they are teaching it in some different name here and there. So there's a lot of these, artificial things are going on, doesn't matter, as long as the man is getting something useful to make his life better, we are satisfied. Ironically the place TM is being taught the most, albeit in a more perfected form, is outside the TM movement, in Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's mass meditation movement. That's not to say there still aren't those desperately trying to keep the sinking ship of the TM Org alive. Chain-smoker and coffee addict David Eraserhead Lynch tries to do his part, along with other aging druggies and former rock stars who still think TM is fab for self-promotion and hangovers. Lynch, along with the continuing promotion of TM junk-science, just barely keeps this dying fad alive in it's original home. The Science of Being alas has become the Science of Living as the new drive-thru of McMeditation, well before the funeral pyre of Mahesh McRishi was even lit.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Shremp, you are of course correct about Maharishi's endorsement of TM teaching outside of the movement. On television on 14th May 2003 he stated:- What I have taught, because it has it's eternal authenticity in the Vedic literature and you should know that, how many? 30 40 thousand teachers of TM I have trained and many of them have gone on there own and they may not call it Maharishi's TM but they are teaching it in some different name here and there. So there's a lot of these, artificial things are going on, doesn't matter, as long as the man is getting something useful to make his life better, we are satisfied. If I were a Maharishi-trained TM teacher out in the field teaching TM outside the auspices of the TMO, I would not only be heartened by this comment but encouraged and enabled to increase my non-sanctioned teaching of TM. If I were a Maharishi-trained TM teacher who up to now had ONLY taught under the auspices of the TMO but was feeling very frustrated in how few people I was able to teach because of the constraints put upon me by the TMO (first and foremost amongst them the overbearing price of instruction), I would be quite encouraged to go it on my own and teach TM outside the auspices of the TMO. In my small sphere of influence I personally know three TM teachers who have been teaching outside the TMO. Prior to the above quote by Maharishi I would have looked aghast upon those that did it; now my attitude is: if it didn't bother Maharishi, why should it bother me? I'm surprised not more are doing it... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote: Turquoise, whilst I continue to practice transcendental meditation regularly, I can't help but wholeheartedly agree with what you say in this posting. There is no value in blaming others for what Maharishi himself instituted. I agree that those who find value in this meditation, and wish to teach it, should just get on with it, as Maharishi himself did. I am glad to hear that you consider TM unsellable, perhaps now people will revert to sharing it without asking payment. ...and seemingly, we should remind ourselves, with Maharishi's blessing. Remember what his response was to a question by a reporter about 6 years ago when asked what he thought about people learning TM from sources OUTSIDE the TMO: We are satisfied. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Two points on this. 1. The 30th anniversary was actually last summer. I guess the idea just came up. 2. None of the people mentioned below have actual Doctorate degrees. The idea just came up? Naw,take a look. He is trying to save his job and his relevance in the middle of the TMmovement today. That is to say, maintain his relevance in a spiritual movement that has rendered itself completely irrelevant. NO ONE CARES about TM or the TM movement other than people who are trying to protect their images of it and their own self-importance within it. It has no effect on society as a whole, and hasn't in decades. And neither have they, except in the limited sense that they can preserve the illusion of being big fish in a small pond. I find this celebration more than a little sad not because they're parading a group of non-Ph.D.s posing as Ph.D.s as if they were important, but because the *only* thing they can think of *as* important is something they were peripherally involved in 30 years ago. As noted before, you know your best days are behind you when you have to look into the past to find your inspiration. Look who he's invited to be with him while folks like DLynch, Roth, hagelin and others are out on the road teaching meditation. It's the old Bevan gang. While the others are out doing the work of the modern TMmovement. Doug, while on one level I appreciate your desire to find Bad Guys in all of this, and find someone to blame for the irrelevance of the TM movement, it's not Bevan. It's Maharishi. *He* priced TM out of the market. *He* made it into something that even the rich wouldn't be interested in by cross-dressing his fanatical toadies in dresses and crowns. *He* rendered a passable and sometimes useful technique of meditation unsellable and unmar- ketable by associating it with infinite amounts of Woo Woo, money-grubbing, dogma, and elitism. *He* allowed or
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: ...and seemingly, we should remind ourselves, with Maharishi's blessing. Remember what his response was to a question by a reporter about 6 years ago when asked what he thought about people learning TM from sources OUTSIDE the TMO: We are satisfied. From what I remember He said We are satisfied if then something. I'm sure you can find that quote but it certainly is open for severeal interpretations, not only you bombastic conclusion.
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On Dec 24, 2009, at 12:47 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Shremp, you are of course correct about Maharishi's endorsement of TM teaching outside of the movement. On television on 14th May 2003 he stated:- What I have taught, because it has it's eternal authenticity in the Vedic literature and you should know that, how many? 30 – 40 thousand teachers of TM I have trained and many of them have gone on there own and they may not call it Maharishi's TM but they are teaching it in some different name here and there. So there's a lot of these, artificial things are going on, doesn't matter, as long as the man is getting something useful to make his life better, we are satisfied. If I were a Maharishi-trained TM teacher out in the field teaching TM outside the auspices of the TMO, I would not only be heartened by this comment but encouraged and enabled to increase my non-sanctioned teaching of TM. If I were a Maharishi-trained TM teacher who up to now had ONLY taught under the auspices of the TMO but was feeling very frustrated in how few people I was able to teach because of the constraints put upon me by the TMO (first and foremost amongst them the overbearing price of instruction), I would be quite encouraged to go it on my own and teach TM outside the auspices of the TMO. In my small sphere of influence I personally know three TM teachers who have been teaching outside the TMO. Prior to the above quote by Maharishi I would have looked aghast upon those that did it; now my attitude is: if it didn't bother Maharishi, why should it bother me? I'm surprised not more are doing it... http://www.introtomeditation.com/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: ...and seemingly, we should remind ourselves, with Maharishi's blessing. Remember what his response was to a question by a reporter about 6 years ago when asked what he thought about people learning TM from sources OUTSIDE the TMO: We are satisfied. From what I remember He said We are satisfied if then something. I'm sure you can find that quote but it certainly is open for severeal interpretations, not only you bombastic conclusion. No, Nabby, that was the end of the quote. Full stop. And the complete quote is reproduced right here on the thread by Paul Mason. Now I know you are much superior in consciousness to everyone here so your interpretation counts for far much more, so why don't you take a crack at it and tell us what other interpretations there could be to the quote?
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Some of the independent teachers are listed here:- http://tm-independent.de/TM_independent/itm-lehrer.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 24, 2009, at 12:47 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote: Shremp, you are of course correct about Maharishi's endorsement of TM teaching outside of the movement. On television on 14th May 2003 he stated:- What I have taught, because it has it's eternal authenticity in the Vedic literature and you should know that, how many? 30 40 thousand teachers of TM I have trained and many of them have gone on there own and they may not call it Maharishi's TM but they are teaching it in some different name here and there. So there's a lot of these, artificial things are going on, doesn't matter, as long as the man is getting something useful to make his life better, we are satisfied. If I were a Maharishi-trained TM teacher out in the field teaching TM outside the auspices of the TMO, I would not only be heartened by this comment but encouraged and enabled to increase my non-sanctioned teaching of TM. If I were a Maharishi-trained TM teacher who up to now had ONLY taught under the auspices of the TMO but was feeling very frustrated in how few people I was able to teach because of the constraints put upon me by the TMO (first and foremost amongst them the overbearing price of instruction), I would be quite encouraged to go it on my own and teach TM outside the auspices of the TMO. In my small sphere of influence I personally know three TM teachers who have been teaching outside the TMO. Prior to the above quote by Maharishi I would have looked aghast upon those that did it; now my attitude is: if it didn't bother Maharishi, why should it bother me? I'm surprised not more are doing it... http://www.introtomeditation.com/
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On Dec 24, 2009, at 4:39 PM, Premanand wrote: Some of the independent teachers are listed here:- http://tm-independent.de/TM_independent/itm-lehrer.html Put your waders on. Interesting to see these independent teachers are continuing the Holy Tradition of lies. They are claiming that TM is derived from Sri Vidya and Advaita Vedanta--both of course are, sigh, untrue. Apparently this Theo dude--who has sent me several emails offlist--also has put out some bogus (and hilarious) TM research.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: How many people do you think would have learned to meditate if he'd never started charging for it? If Maharishi did not exploit every avenue of capitalism it could go on forever. But it's not, it's collapsing as we speak. Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism - Maharishi, 1989
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Vaj wrote: On Dec 24, 2009, at 4:39 PM, Premanand wrote: Some of the independent teachers are listed here:- http://tm-independent.de/TM_independent/itm-lehrer.html Put your waders on. Interesting to see these independent teachers are continuing the Holy Tradition of lies. They are claiming that TM is derived from Sri Vidya and Advaita Vedanta--both of course are, sigh, untrue. Apparently this Theo dude--who has sent me several emails offlist--also has put out some bogus (and hilarious) TM research. Do you think MMY just made it up or found it elsewhere? It sort of resembles something that might be from Nadi astrology. What I'm thinking is might have mentioned his predicament to some yogi or astrologer and they suggested the solution. You and I know that India as a lot of these procedures almost from village to village. In fact I think Parashara was actually cataloging the different techniques not intending that one would use all of them.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: ...and seemingly, we should remind ourselves, with Maharishi's blessing. Remember what his response was to a question by a reporter about 6 years ago when asked what he thought about people learning TM from sources OUTSIDE the TMO: We are satisfied. From what I remember He said We are satisfied if then something. I'm sure you can find that quote but it certainly is open for severeal interpretations, not only you bombastic conclusion. No, Nabby, that was the end of the quote. Full stop. And the complete quote is reproduced right here on the thread by Paul Mason. Now I know you are much superior in consciousness to everyone here so your interpretation counts for far much more, so why don't you take a crack at it and tell us what other interpretations there could be to the quote? Ponder the word artificial in the quote and see if you come up with something. Then again you probably won't because you have already made up your mind.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip As noted before, you know your best days are behind you when you have to look into the past to find your inspiration. At least they're looking to the past for *positive* inspiration, unlike those who spend most of their time here looking to the past to inspire their scorn and loathing, as does the post I'm responding to. This entire thread is such a load of (since it's Christmas)reindeer manure. Even as the usual TM trolls, the ghosts of Christmas Past, unearth as much Scroogey dirt and scorn as they can possibly heap upon the TMO and Maharishi, I know in my heart their lies and lumps of coal concerning course fees, bogus knowledge and research, and off the reservation teachers, can never diminish Maharishi's greatness. Bah Humbug, to the TM critics. May they be so lucky as to have even the a fraction of the capacity to bless us with such profound knowledge and give so selflessly of themselves for the betterment of humanity as did Maharishi. Jai Guru Dev.
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On Dec 24, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: On Dec 24, 2009, at 4:39 PM, Premanand wrote: Some of the independent teachers are listed here:- http://tm-independent.de/TM_independent/itm-lehrer.html Put your waders on. Interesting to see these independent teachers are continuing the Holy Tradition of lies. They are claiming that TM is derived from Sri Vidya and Advaita Vedanta--both of course are, sigh, untrue. Apparently this Theo dude--who has sent me several emails offlist--also has put out some bogus (and hilarious) TM research. Do you think MMY just made it up or found it elsewhere? It sort of resembles something that might be from Nadi astrology. What I'm thinking is might have mentioned his predicament to some yogi or astrologer and they suggested the solution. You and I know that India as a lot of these procedures almost from village to village. In fact I think Parashara was actually cataloging the different techniques not intending that one would use all of them. I'm surprised you'd ask that. They're very common mantras. Unless you mean the permutations. They're just bijoddhara mantras--extracted bijas--a common way to permutate mantras, based on simple rules. Just before TM was introduced in India, a compendium of Mantra Shastra in encyclopedia form was published in Hindi, Sanskrit and Bengali. It connected mantra-yoga with the then known laws of physics. The series was such the rage, that it was condensed into a one volume version (from the original six volumes) and even translated into English. TM in it's current form came out right after this popular book, the Japasutram, was published. Many of the English buzzwords associated with TM can be found in the English version.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip As noted before, you know your best days are behind you when you have to look into the past to find your inspiration. At least they're looking to the past for *positive* inspiration, unlike those who spend most of their time here looking to the past to inspire their scorn and loathing, as does the post I'm responding to. This entire thread is such a load of (since it's Christmas) reindeer manure. Even as the usual TM trolls, the ghosts of Christmas Past, unearth as much Scroogey dirt and scorn as they can possibly heap upon the TMO and Maharishi, I know in my heart their lies and lumps of coal concerning course fees, bogus knowledge and research, and off the reservation teachers, can never diminish Maharishi's greatness. Bah Humbug, to the TM critics. May they be so lucky as to have even the a fraction of the capacity to bless us with such profound knowledge and give so selflessly of themselves for the betterment of humanity as did Maharishi. Jai Guru Dev. A certain amount of criticism, skepticism, and general badmouthing, about which reasonable people could disagree (or not), is to be expected on a forum like this. But the relentless, compulsive, wildly hyperbolic, and in some cases downright fallacious nature of the torrent of extreme and poisonous negativity that emanates from a few of the critics here--even extending to anybody who dares say anything the least bit positive about the TMO/TM/MMY--indicates that something other than rationality and objective evaluation is driving it all.
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Vaj wrote: On Dec 24, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: On Dec 24, 2009, at 4:39 PM, Premanand wrote: Some of the independent teachers are listed here:- http://tm-independent.de/TM_independent/itm-lehrer.html Put your waders on. Interesting to see these independent teachers are continuing the Holy Tradition of lies. They are claiming that TM is derived from Sri Vidya and Advaita Vedanta--both of course are, sigh, untrue. Apparently this Theo dude--who has sent me several emails offlist--also has put out some bogus (and hilarious) TM research. Do you think MMY just made it up or found it elsewhere? It sort of resembles something that might be from Nadi astrology. What I'm thinking is might have mentioned his predicament to some yogi or astrologer and they suggested the solution. You and I know that India as a lot of these procedures almost from village to village. In fact I think Parashara was actually cataloging the different techniques not intending that one would use all of them. I'm surprised you'd ask that. They're very common mantras. Unless you mean the permutations. They're just bijoddhara mantras--extracted bijas--a common way to permutate mantras, based on simple rules. Just before TM was introduced in India, a compendium of Mantra Shastra in encyclopedia form was published in Hindi, Sanskrit and Bengali. It connected mantra-yoga with the then known laws of physics. The series was such the rage, that it was condensed into a one volume version (from the original six volumes) and even translated into English. TM in it's current form came out right after this popular book, the Japasutram, was published. Many of the English buzzwords associated with TM can be found in the English version. Thanks, but the reason I asked as I've never seen such rules in any text (with regard to the system). We may be talking about two different things.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip Just before TM was introduced in India, a compendium of Mantra Shastra in encyclopedia form was published in Hindi, Sanskrit and Bengali. It connected mantra-yoga with the then known laws of physics. The series was such the rage, that it was condensed into a one volume version (from the original six volumes) and even translated into English. TM in it's current form came out right after this popular book, the Japasutram, was published. Many of the English buzzwords associated with TM can be found in the English version. And since none of these words (you know, like unbounded and bliss consciousness) are to be found anywhere but in this book and MMY's teaching, therefore he stole the whole thing from the book. Right, Vaj?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: ...and seemingly, we should remind ourselves, with Maharishi's blessing. Remember what his response was to a question by a reporter about 6 years ago when asked what he thought about people learning TM from sources OUTSIDE the TMO: We are satisfied. From what I remember He said We are satisfied if then something. I'm sure you can find that quote but it certainly is open for severeal interpretations, not only you bombastic conclusion. No, Nabby, that was the end of the quote. Full stop. And the complete quote is reproduced right here on the thread by Paul Mason. Now I know you are much superior in consciousness to everyone here so your interpretation counts for far much more, so why don't you take a crack at it and tell us what other interpretations there could be to the quote? Ponder the word artificial in the quote and see if you come up with something. Then again you probably won't because you have already made up your mind. H. Let's see. I am pondering the words the man is getting something useful to make his life better and we are satisfied. I am also pondering the words Nabby doesn't have anything to say to counter this obvious interpretation.
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On Dec 24, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Thanks, but the reason I asked as I've never seen such rules in any text (with regard to the system). We may be talking about two different things. I'm sorry. What is it you're referring to?
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Vaj wrote: On Dec 24, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Thanks, but the reason I asked as I've never seen such rules in any text (with regard to the system). We may be talking about two different things. I'm sorry. What is it you're referring to? The mantra selection technique. Are you saying you found it in that book?
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On Dec 24, 2009, at 8:50 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: On Dec 24, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Thanks, but the reason I asked as I've never seen such rules in any text (with regard to the system). We may be talking about two different things. I'm sorry. What is it you're referring to? The mantra selection technique. Are you saying you found it in that book? No. That's something he made up. Some have suggested it was based on the ashramas, which does make sense and sounds like something clever and keeping with the dharma-shastras Mahesh would come up with. Paul has done some research on this, and it's NOT the way Swami Brahmananda Saraswati did it. But given Mahesh's obsession with dharma regs, I suspect the ashrama idea is not far off. After all, he had to hide that these were mantras of goddesses and gods--so that was the perfect way to do it. My mantra shastra guru explained there were two ways to give mantra authentically: puja and adhikara. Adhikara meant you knew the person well enough, like a traditional guru would know his student, to know what was best for their personality, their goals and their karma. Adhikara was best, puja was secondary--but with puja the correct way was what the student wanted or loved. I do believe the way M. designed the mantra to be given and empowered is authentic, just unusual.
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Vaj wrote: My mantra shastra guru explained there were two ways to give mantra authentically: puja and adhikara. Adhikara meant you knew the person well enough, like a traditional guru would know his student, to know what was best for their personality, their goals and their karma. Adhikara was best, puja was secondary--but with puja the correct way was what the student wanted or loved. I do believe the way M. designed the mantra to be given and empowered is authentic, just unusual. Yes I am familiar with this. So you're saying that because the student signed up to learn TM that is what they want. And hence the puja method was used. Obviously the Adhikara method would take some time and making teachers would be very difficult and M would have at best had 20 to 100 teachers. Perhaps we should discuss offline. There is some stuff from Nadi astrology that rings similar to the selection of mantras.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Two points on this. 1. The 30th anniversary was actually last summer. I guess the idea just came up. 2. None of the people mentioned below have actual Doctorate degrees. The idea just came up? Naw,take a look. He is trying to save his job and his relevance in the middle of the TMmovement today. That is to say, maintain his relevance in a spiritual movement that has rendered itself completely irrelevant. NO ONE CARES about TM or the TM movement other than people who are trying to protect their images of it and their own self-importance within it. It has no effect on society as a whole, and hasn't in decades. And neither have they, except in the limited sense that they can preserve the illusion of being big fish in a small pond. I find this celebration more than a little sad not because they're parading a group of non-Ph.D.s posing as Ph.D.s as if they were important, but because the *only* thing they can think of *as* important is something they were peripherally involved in 30 years ago. As noted before, you know your best days are behind you when you have to look into the past to find your inspiration. Look who he's invited to be with him while folks like DLynch, Roth, hagelin and others are out on the road teaching meditation. It's the old Bevan gang. While the others are out doing the work of the modern TMmovement. Doug, while on one level I appreciate your desire to find Bad Guys in all of this, and find someone to blame for the irrelevance of the TM movement, it's not Bevan. It's Maharishi. Dear Turq, Is not my desire. However, U r correct evidently about the situation. Seems more accurately he is a collaborator and co-conspirator. Closely with Maharishi. Long time. Is what it is. -D in FF *He* priced TM out of the market. *He* made it into something that even the rich wouldn't be interested in by cross-dressing his fanatical toadies in dresses and crowns. *He* rendered a passable and sometimes useful technique of meditation unsellable and unmar- ketable by associating it with infinite amounts of Woo Woo, money-grubbing, dogma, and elitism. *He* allowed or orchestrated most of the shitty things done to TMers and TM teachers who were ostracized for being Off The Program. *Maharishi* brought down the TM movement, not Bevan. He *personified* his own teaching about the tragedy of knowledge and ensured the irrelevance of TM and the TM movement by divorcing it from its own roots in simple, humble daily meditation, trying to shift the emphasis to taking credit for everything good while taking no responsibility for anything bad. While I respect your dream that someday the TMO will return to its roots and get back to teaching literally the only good thing it ever had to offer -- the basic TM technique -- it's never going to happen. Those days are as lost in the past as the events this celebration are trying to celebrate. The TM movement *cannot* change. It *cannot* revert to better days because Maharishi himself made that impossible. He was the master of ostracizing and demon- izing outmoded thinking. People were trained to not only not cling to Last Year's Big Idea, they were trained to *forget* it ever existed, and focus only on This Year's Big Idea. And now that there are no more Big Ideas, the most they can focus on is the last Big Idea he told them to follow, and the glorious past. With all due respect, that's what you're doing as well. You'd like to see a return to these brighter days, in which both TM and the TM movement had some relevance -- to the world and to you. Not gonna happen. It *cannot* because Maharishi carefully made going against his latest Big Ideas the highest crime, punishable by excommunication and demonization. Don't sign on as a full-time TM teacher when told to? You're no longer a TM teacher. Don't do *exactly* what Maharishi told you to do when trying to implement one of his Big Ideas, ludicrous though it may be? You're history. You're history. Anyone who reveres the good old days is history. You have no place in the modern TM move- ment. Which, if you look at it properly, is probably a favor, because the modern TM movement has no place in the modern world. If you like the idea of teaching basic meditation, go out and teach basic meditation and let these holy-ego- rollers roll around in their self importance. Don't try to blame *them* for still being caught up in trying to become the biggest fish in an ever-shrinking pond. They were *taught* to do this. Ferchrissakes, Maharishi spent his last few days trying to get people to do it *more than ever*, pulling a King Lear and pitting Raja
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip As noted before, you know your best days are behind you when you have to look into the past to find your inspiration. At least they're looking to the past for *positive* inspiration, unlike those who spend most of their time here looking to the past to inspire their scorn and loathing, as does the post I'm responding to. This entire thread is such a load of (since it's Christmas) reindeer manure. Even as the usual TM trolls, the ghosts of Christmas Past, unearth as much Scroogey dirt and scorn as they can possibly heap upon the TMO and Maharishi, I know in my heart their lies and lumps of coal concerning course fees, bogus knowledge and research, and off the reservation teachers, can never diminish Maharishi's greatness. Bah Humbug, to the TM critics. May they be so lucky as to have even the a fraction of the capacity to bless us with such profound knowledge and give so selflessly of themselves for the betterment of humanity as did Maharishi. Jai Guru Dev. A certain amount of criticism, skepticism, and general badmouthing, about which reasonable people could disagree (or not), is to be expected on a forum like this. I agree. Even mockery has it's place and is not off limits. However, it doesn't further discussion or leave open the possibility that people can agree to disagree. Mock away. Just don't expect to get away with lying. Violet has some wonderful commentary about mocking religion. Here's her money quote in the comments: I'm sorry that so many people don't appreciate how dangerous it is to have a society where religion can't be mocked. I mean, that's how you get Inquisitions and people being executed for heresy and, for that matter, people flying airplanes into buildings. Frankly, the more religious you are, the more committed you ought to be to freedom of expression, including ridicule. Because that's your best guarantee against a situation where somebody else's religion becomes sacrosanct and you're looking at jail time or martyrdom for practicing yours. It's also the best guarantee for all of us against a situation where a bunch of twits in pointy hats get to decide what we can do with our uteruses. From Violet's post: http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/12/08/its-that-special-time-of-year-when-we-celebrate-the-birth-of-the-cosmic-jewish-zombie/#comments But the relentless, compulsive, wildly hyperbolic, and in some cases downright fallacious nature of the torrent of extreme and poisonous negativity that emanates from a few of the critics here--even extending to anybody who dares say anything the least bit positive about the TMO/TM/MMY--indicates that something other than rationality and objective evaluation is driving it all. Yes, and it's why I get such a kick out of saying positive things about TM and Maharishi, it elicits such an over the top reaction that I just have to pick at their oozing scab. It's an open wound. Nothing will ever heal it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip As noted before, you know your best days are behind you when you have to look into the past to find your inspiration. At least they're looking to the past for *positive* inspiration, unlike those who spend most of their time here looking to the past to inspire their scorn and loathing, as does the post I'm responding to. This entire thread is such a load of (since it's Christmas) reindeer manure. Even as the usual TM trolls, the ghosts of Christmas Past, unearth as much Scroogey dirt and scorn as they can possibly heap upon the TMO and Maharishi, I know in my heart their lies and lumps of coal concerning course fees, bogus knowledge and research, and off the reservation teachers, can never diminish Maharishi's greatness. Bah Humbug, to the TM critics. May they be so lucky as to have even the a fraction of the capacity to bless us with such profound knowledge and give so selflessly of themselves for the betterment of humanity as did Maharishi. Jai Guru Dev. A certain amount of criticism, skepticism, and general badmouthing, about which reasonable people could disagree (or not), is to be expected on a forum like this. I agree. Even mockery has it's place and is not off limits. However, it doesn't further discussion or leave open the possibility that people can agree to disagree. Mock away. Just don't expect to get away with lying. Violet has some wonderful commentary about mocking religion. Here's her money quote in the comments: I'm sorry that so many people don't appreciate how dangerous it is to have a society where religion can't be mocked. I mean, that's how you get Inquisitions and people being executed for heresy and, for that matter, people flying airplanes into buildings. Frankly, the more religious you are, the more committed you ought to be to freedom of expression, including ridicule. Because that's your best guarantee against a situation where somebody else's religion becomes sacrosanct and you're looking at jail time or martyrdom for practicing yours. It's also the best guarantee for all of us against a situation where a bunch of twits in pointy hats get to decide what we can do with our uteruses. Why are you so obsessed with your uterus, raunchydog? Here's the reality: it's YOUR uterus to do what you want with as long as it's just you; it's MY uterus to determine how your deal with it once a 30-second old fetus inhabits itself there. And by MY uterus I mean society's. As long as you haven't been raped or had sex against your will or with a relative in your immediate family, your are privileged to host a human being in that uterus of yours. No abortion for you. Sit out the nine months with a smile. Have the baby and give it to the Catholic nuns if you must. But no abortion, no control over what up to now you have been deluded into thinking is YOUR body. It isn't. It's mine. MY male body's to control and direct. Stay fat and hormonal for 9 months at my pleasure. That's what being a femal is all about. Get used to i. From Violet's post: http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/12/08/its-that-special-time-of-year-when-we-celebrate-the-birth-of-the-cosmic-jewish-zombie/#comments But the relentless, compulsive, wildly hyperbolic, and in some cases downright fallacious nature of the torrent of extreme and poisonous negativity that emanates from a few of the critics here--even extending to anybody who dares say anything the least bit positive about the TMO/TM/MMY--indicates that something other than rationality and objective evaluation is driving it all. Yes, and it's why I get such a kick out of saying positive things about TM and Maharishi, it elicits such an over the top reaction that I just have to pick at their oozing scab. It's an open wound. Nothing will ever heal it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Two points on this. 1. The 30th anniversary was actually last summer. I guess the idea just came up. 2. None of the people mentioned below have actual Doctorate degrees. The idea just came up? Naw,take a look. He is trying to save his job and his relevance in the middle of the TMmovement today. Look who he's invited to be with him while folks like DLynch, Roth, hagelin and others are out on the road teaching meditation. It's the old Bevan gang. While the others are out doing the work of the modern TMmovement. Instead brought and surrounds himself in the charade of the old gang. Is a tough time for him. Lost his master, lost control of the university board of trustees, has to power-share with a bunch of Rajas. He's likely protecting whatever place he's got left with this theatre. What he's got is MUM, hostage. Dr. Bevan Morris led the Amherst WPA and spearheaded the move to Fairfield and will speak both nights of this two-night celebration Speakers include: Mayor Ed Malloy, Dr. Stuart Zimmerman, Dr. Larry Chroman, Dr. Douglas Birx, Dr. Fred Gratzon, Dr. Gregg Wilson, Dr. Mario Orsatti, Dr. Wally Devasier, Dean Brad Mylett and others.
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10 years ago Rick writing: I'd love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges): Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. Jai Guru Dev, The Department of the Development of Consciousness http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 16 years ago Bevan returned to Fairfield around July 1st and stayed through the start of the Guru Purnima course. During his visit, he methodically worked his way through MIU faculty, students, and staff, and the TSR community declaring to each group: 1) That our friends and neighbors who were on the various working groups created by Keith's initiative to address improvements in the community were 'enemies of the movement', 2) asserted the party line that all the issues had been taken care of, 3a) asserted that the movement is for those who have faith and belief in Maharishi (rebuffing the old premise for participation, that anyone who could think could meditate and supplanting his new doctrine of faith!) and 3b) Encouraged the non-believers to leave, 4) Raised the dome fees to $100 @ month, 5) Locked out of that Guru Purnima celebration, with no prior notice, scores of loyal long-time governors and sidhas, 6) Reaffirmed the old guard of the President's Office, and 7) abruptly leaves town. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/15 Yeah, they did take a turn down a bad road from then. Don't seem to have got turned round right yet today. Was tragic turn of events and seems still is. 30 years ago In the summer of 1979 almost 3000 people gathered for the very first World Peace Assembly in the United States at Amherst, Massachusetts. It was during this historic WPA that Maharishi asked all the Governors and Sidhas to move their families and businesses to Fairfield, Iowa to set up the first Creating Coherence community -- a permanent group to create coherence for the whole nation. 16 years ago. Today we have hundreds and hundreds of meditators/Sidhas...long time meditators who are living here in the TSR community who have, in effect, been spurned by the leadership of your office. Today you have hundreds of practising Sidhas carrying on their lives here in Fairfield with little reason, other than your apparent spite, to have contact with you or the movement. Incredible! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/15 10 years ago. We each have old time movement friends whose badges have recently been lifted or who were recently denied registration. We all know people and there is an anguish that goes on because of the tyranny of the situation here. We know our friends' stories and we know their lives. These are our friends and neighbors here. These are long time movement people. There is a lot of needless intolerance and rigidity on the part of what is left of the movement. Rick makes a good point. There is anger and disillusion that others are being treated this way. Just since Sept. 11th, we all know people who have been denied access for their hair being too long, beards being too long, having studied jyotish or some other franchised thing the movement markets, or for having visited other saints. I can think of ten friends right now. These are just people in my circle of friends. Everyone has their circle of friends they could think of too. I was told of a person today who had come from the West Coast specifically to be in the Dome and who was denied access because he had a beard. Neither the teaching nor the program is going to fall because of these guys but the feeling about the bad administration and bad policy is bringing about the downfall of our movement in the aggregate. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/419 5 years ago. the questioning was one guy practically pointing out that he came to FF for the group meditations that had 2,000 people then, and now just a small number. The status quo was all that was offered by Keith Wallace and
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
16 years ago. Today we have hundreds and hundreds of meditators/Sidhas...long time meditators who are living here in the TSR community who have, in effect, been spurned by the leadership of your office. Today you have hundreds of practising Sidhas carrying on their lives here in Fairfield with little reason, other than your apparent spite, to have contact with you or the movement. Incredible! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/15 10 years ago. We each have old time movement friends whose badges have recently been lifted or who were recently denied registration. We all know people and there is an anguish that goes on because of the tyranny of the situation here. We know our friends' stories and we know their lives. These are our friends and neighbors here. These are long time movement people. There is a lot of needless intolerance and rigidity on the part of what is left of the movement. Rick makes a good point. There is anger and disillusion that others are being treated this way. Just since Sept. 11th, we all know people who have been denied access for their hair being too long, beards being too long, having studied jyotish or some other franchised thing the movement markets, or for having visited other saints. I can think of ten friends right now. These are just people in my circle of friends. Everyone has their circle of friends they could think of too. I was told of a person today who had come from the West Coast specifically to be in the Dome and who was denied access because he had a beard. Neither the teaching nor the program is going to fall because of these guys but the feeling about the bad administration and bad policy is bringing about the downfall of our movement in the aggregate. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/419 5 years ago. the questioning was one guy practically pointing out that he came to FF for the group meditations that had 2,000 people then, and now just a small number. The status quo was all that was offered by Keith Wallace and Keith Wallace was not in sympathy there to acknowledging the attendance problem, the central effect it has on the community or working with it otherwise. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/31817 10 years ago. History, Transcendental Meditation Fairfield: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/419 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 From 2001, FFL: There is a huge opportunity, if the movement enclave could see it, in the base of the people who are here as meditators doing their meditation and doing their TM-Sidhis as meditators. The speculation for all of us watching is whether there may be too much rigid pride or too much arrogance inside the movement now to see what is here at hand. Possibly it is beyond the nature of character of too many in the middle to recoup. There is always hope. Of course, in reflecting, in the culture of the TM movement there is no place to rate ourselves on how we might be doing as a movement organized. No place even to ask or reflect how we might be doing supporting meditators or supporting teachers or sidhas. Versus our ideal administration, reflecting on our own administration in any way practical would of course be too negative. Would it be too practical? Announcing Two Upcoming Celebrations! Celebrating 30 Years Sunday, Dec. 20, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Amherst WPA Sunday, Dec. 27, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Creating Coherence Course and Moving to Fairfield Everyone is welcome and please bring your program badge! Jai Guru Dev Om Sweet Jesus! As an old conservative meditator who was also there, I would be very inclined to go up there and re-unite with this except for their you got to have a badge thing. An invite like this given the history reads again like a fuck you and fuck off. Unbelievably graceless. God help 'em. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
30 years ago In the summer of 1979 almost 3000 people gathered for the very first World Peace Assembly in the United States at Amherst, Massachusetts. It was during this historic WPA that Maharishi asked all the Governors and Sidhas to move their families and businesses to Fairfield, Iowa to set up the first Creating Coherence community -- a permanent group to create coherence for the whole nation. 16 years ago. Today we have hundreds and hundreds of meditators/Sidhas...long time meditators who are living here in the TSR community who have, in effect, been spurned by the leadership of your office. Today you have hundreds of practising Sidhas carrying on their lives here in Fairfield with little reason, other than your apparent spite, to have contact with you or the movement. Incredible! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/15 10 years ago. We each have old time movement friends whose badges have recently been lifted or who were recently denied registration. We all know people and there is an anguish that goes on because of the tyranny of the situation here. We know our friends' stories and we know their lives. These are our friends and neighbors here. These are long time movement people. There is a lot of needless intolerance and rigidity on the part of what is left of the movement. Rick makes a good point. There is anger and disillusion that others are being treated this way. Just since Sept. 11th, we all know people who have been denied access for their hair being too long, beards being too long, having studied jyotish or some other franchised thing the movement markets, or for having visited other saints. I can think of ten friends right now. These are just people in my circle of friends. Everyone has their circle of friends they could think of too. I was told of a person today who had come from the West Coast specifically to be in the Dome and who was denied access because he had a beard. Neither the teaching nor the program is going to fall because of these guys but the feeling about the bad administration and bad policy is bringing about the downfall of our movement in the aggregate. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/419 5 years ago. the questioning was one guy practically pointing out that he came to FF for the group meditations that had 2,000 people then, and now just a small number. The status quo was all that was offered by Keith Wallace and Keith Wallace was not in sympathy there to acknowledging the attendance problem, the central effect it has on the community or working with it otherwise. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/31817 10 years ago. History, Transcendental Meditation Fairfield: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/419 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 From 2001, FFL: There is a huge opportunity, if the movement enclave could see it, in the base of the people who are here as meditators doing their meditation and doing their TM-Sidhis as meditators. The speculation for all of us watching is whether there may be too much rigid pride or too much arrogance inside the movement now to see what is here at hand. Possibly it is beyond the nature of character of too many in the middle to recoup. There is always hope. Of course, in reflecting, in the culture of the TM movement there is no place to rate ourselves on how we might be doing as a movement organized. No place even to ask or reflect how we might be doing supporting meditators or supporting teachers or sidhas. Versus our ideal administration, reflecting on our own administration in any way practical would of course be too negative. Would it be too practical? Announcing Two Upcoming Celebrations! Celebrating 30 Years Sunday, Dec. 20, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Amherst WPA Sunday, Dec. 27, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Creating Coherence Course and Moving to Fairfield Everyone is welcome and please bring your program badge! Jai Guru Dev Om Sweet Jesus! As an old conservative meditator who was also there, I would be very inclined to go up there and re-unite with this except for their you got to have a badge thing. An invite like this given the history reads again like a fuck you and fuck off. Unbelievably graceless. God help 'em. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
16 years ago Bevan returned to Fairfield around July 1st and stayed through the start of the Guru Purnima course. During his visit, he methodically worked his way through MIU faculty, students, and staff, and the TSR community declaring to each group: 1) That our friends and neighbors who were on the various working groups created by Keith's initiative to address improvements in the community were 'enemies of the movement', 2) asserted the party line that all the issues had been taken care of, 3a) asserted that the movement is for those who have faith and belief in Maharishi (rebuffing the old premise for participation, that anyone who could think could meditate and supplanting his new doctrine of faith!) and 3b) Encouraged the non-believers to leave, 4) Raised the dome fees to $100 @ month, 5) Locked out of that Guru Purnima celebration, with no prior notice, scores of loyal long-time governors and sidhas, 6) Reaffirmed the old guard of the President's Office, and 7) abruptly leaves town. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/15 30 years ago In the summer of 1979 almost 3000 people gathered for the very first World Peace Assembly in the United States at Amherst, Massachusetts. It was during this historic WPA that Maharishi asked all the Governors and Sidhas to move their families and businesses to Fairfield, Iowa to set up the first Creating Coherence community -- a permanent group to create coherence for the whole nation. 16 years ago. Today we have hundreds and hundreds of meditators/Sidhas...long time meditators who are living here in the TSR community who have, in effect, been spurned by the leadership of your office. Today you have hundreds of practising Sidhas carrying on their lives here in Fairfield with little reason, other than your apparent spite, to have contact with you or the movement. Incredible! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/15 10 years ago. We each have old time movement friends whose badges have recently been lifted or who were recently denied registration. We all know people and there is an anguish that goes on because of the tyranny of the situation here. We know our friends' stories and we know their lives. These are our friends and neighbors here. These are long time movement people. There is a lot of needless intolerance and rigidity on the part of what is left of the movement. Rick makes a good point. There is anger and disillusion that others are being treated this way. Just since Sept. 11th, we all know people who have been denied access for their hair being too long, beards being too long, having studied jyotish or some other franchised thing the movement markets, or for having visited other saints. I can think of ten friends right now. These are just people in my circle of friends. Everyone has their circle of friends they could think of too. I was told of a person today who had come from the West Coast specifically to be in the Dome and who was denied access because he had a beard. Neither the teaching nor the program is going to fall because of these guys but the feeling about the bad administration and bad policy is bringing about the downfall of our movement in the aggregate. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/419 5 years ago. the questioning was one guy practically pointing out that he came to FF for the group meditations that had 2,000 people then, and now just a small number. The status quo was all that was offered by Keith Wallace and Keith Wallace was not in sympathy there to acknowledging the attendance problem, the central effect it has on the community or working with it otherwise. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/31817 10 years ago. History, Transcendental Meditation Fairfield: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/419 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 From 2001, FFL: There is a huge opportunity, if the movement enclave could see it, in the base of the people who are here as meditators doing their meditation and doing their TM-Sidhis as meditators. The speculation for all of us watching is whether there may be too much rigid pride or too much arrogance inside the movement now to see what is here at hand. Possibly it is beyond the nature of character of too many in the middle to recoup. There is always hope. Of course, in reflecting, in the culture of the TM movement there is no place to rate ourselves on how we might be doing as a movement organized. No place even to ask or reflect how we might be doing supporting meditators or supporting teachers or sidhas. Versus our ideal administration, reflecting on our own
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
16 years ago Bevan returned to Fairfield around July 1st and stayed through the start of the Guru Purnima course. During his visit, he methodically worked his way through MIU faculty, students, and staff, and the TSR community declaring to each group: 1) That our friends and neighbors who were on the various working groups created by Keith's initiative to address improvements in the community were 'enemies of the movement', 2) asserted the party line that all the issues had been taken care of, 3a) asserted that the movement is for those who have faith and belief in Maharishi (rebuffing the old premise for participation, that anyone who could think could meditate and supplanting his new doctrine of faith!) and 3b) Encouraged the non-believers to leave, 4) Raised the dome fees to $100 @ month, 5) Locked out of that Guru Purnima celebration, with no prior notice, scores of loyal long-time governors and sidhas, 6) Reaffirmed the old guard of the President's Office, and 7) abruptly leaves town. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/15 Yeah, they did take a turn down a bad road from then. Don't seem to have got turned round right yet today. Was tragic turn of events and seems still is. 30 years ago In the summer of 1979 almost 3000 people gathered for the very first World Peace Assembly in the United States at Amherst, Massachusetts. It was during this historic WPA that Maharishi asked all the Governors and Sidhas to move their families and businesses to Fairfield, Iowa to set up the first Creating Coherence community -- a permanent group to create coherence for the whole nation. 16 years ago. Today we have hundreds and hundreds of meditators/Sidhas...long time meditators who are living here in the TSR community who have, in effect, been spurned by the leadership of your office. Today you have hundreds of practising Sidhas carrying on their lives here in Fairfield with little reason, other than your apparent spite, to have contact with you or the movement. Incredible! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/15 10 years ago. We each have old time movement friends whose badges have recently been lifted or who were recently denied registration. We all know people and there is an anguish that goes on because of the tyranny of the situation here. We know our friends' stories and we know their lives. These are our friends and neighbors here. These are long time movement people. There is a lot of needless intolerance and rigidity on the part of what is left of the movement. Rick makes a good point. There is anger and disillusion that others are being treated this way. Just since Sept. 11th, we all know people who have been denied access for their hair being too long, beards being too long, having studied jyotish or some other franchised thing the movement markets, or for having visited other saints. I can think of ten friends right now. These are just people in my circle of friends. Everyone has their circle of friends they could think of too. I was told of a person today who had come from the West Coast specifically to be in the Dome and who was denied access because he had a beard. Neither the teaching nor the program is going to fall because of these guys but the feeling about the bad administration and bad policy is bringing about the downfall of our movement in the aggregate. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/419 5 years ago. the questioning was one guy practically pointing out that he came to FF for the group meditations that had 2,000 people then, and now just a small number. The status quo was all that was offered by Keith Wallace and Keith Wallace was not in sympathy there to acknowledging the attendance problem, the central effect it has on the community or working with it otherwise. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/31817 10 years ago. History, Transcendental Meditation Fairfield: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/419 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 From 2001, FFL: There is a huge opportunity, if the movement enclave could see it, in the base of the people who are here as meditators doing their meditation and doing their TM-Sidhis as meditators. The speculation for all of us watching is whether there may be too much rigid pride or too much arrogance inside the movement now to see what is here at hand. Possibly it is beyond the nature of character of too many in the middle to recoup. There is always hope. Of course, in reflecting, in the culture of the TM
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
10 years ago. History, Transcendental Meditation Fairfield: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/419 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 From 2001, FFL: There is a huge opportunity, if the movement enclave could see it, in the base of the people who are here as meditators doing their meditation and doing their TM-Sidhis as meditators. The speculation for all of us watching is whether there may be too much rigid pride or too much arrogance inside the movement now to see what is here at hand. Possibly it is beyond the nature of character of too many in the middle to recoup. There is always hope. Of course, in reflecting, in the culture of the TM movement there is no place to rate ourselves on how we might be doing as a movement organized. No place even to ask or reflect how we might be doing supporting meditators or supporting teachers or sidhas. Versus our ideal administration, reflecting on our own administration in any way practical would of course be too negative. Would it be too practical? Announcing Two Upcoming Celebrations! Celebrating 30 Years Sunday, Dec. 20, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Amherst WPA Sunday, Dec. 27, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Creating Coherence Course and Moving to Fairfield Everyone is welcome and please bring your program badge! Jai Guru Dev Om Sweet Jesus! As an old conservative meditator who was also there, I would be very inclined to go up there and re-unite with this except for their you got to have a badge thing. An invite like this given the history reads again like a fuck you and fuck off. Unbelievably graceless. God help 'em. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
5 years ago. the questioning was one guy practically pointing out that he came to FF for the group meditations that had 2,000 people then, and now just a small number. The status quo was all that was offered by Keith Wallace and Keith Wallace was not in sympathy there to acknowledging the attendance problem, the central effect it has on the community or working with it otherwise. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/31817 10 years ago. History, Transcendental Meditation Fairfield: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/419 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 From 2001, FFL: There is a huge opportunity, if the movement enclave could see it, in the base of the people who are here as meditators doing their meditation and doing their TM-Sidhis as meditators. The speculation for all of us watching is whether there may be too much rigid pride or too much arrogance inside the movement now to see what is here at hand. Possibly it is beyond the nature of character of too many in the middle to recoup. There is always hope. Of course, in reflecting, in the culture of the TM movement there is no place to rate ourselves on how we might be doing as a movement organized. No place even to ask or reflect how we might be doing supporting meditators or supporting teachers or sidhas. Versus our ideal administration, reflecting on our own administration in any way practical would of course be too negative. Would it be too practical? Announcing Two Upcoming Celebrations! Celebrating 30 Years Sunday, Dec. 20, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Amherst WPA Sunday, Dec. 27, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Creating Coherence Course and Moving to Fairfield Everyone is welcome and please bring your program badge! Jai Guru Dev Om Sweet Jesus! As an old conservative meditator who was also there, I would be very inclined to go up there and re-unite with this except for their you got to have a badge thing. An invite like this given the history reads again like a fuck you and fuck off. Unbelievably graceless. God help 'em. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
10 years ago. We each have old time movement friends whose badges have recently been lifted or who were recently denied registration. We all know people and there is an anguish that goes on because of the tyranny of the situation here. We know our friends' stories and we know their lives. These are our friends and neighbors here. These are long time movement people. There is a lot of needless intolerance and rigidity on the part of what is left of the movement. Rick makes a good point. There is anger and disillusion that others are being treated this way. Just since Sept. 11th, we all know people who have been denied access for their hair being too long, beards being too long, having studied jyotish or some other franchised thing the movement markets, or for having visited other saints. I can think of ten friends right now. These are just people in my circle of friends. Everyone has their circle of friends they could think of too. I was told of a person today who had come from the West Coast specifically to be in the Dome and who was denied access because he had a beard. Neither the teaching nor the program is going to fall because of these guys but the feeling about the bad administration and bad policy is bringing about the downfall of our movement in the aggregate. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/419 5 years ago. the questioning was one guy practically pointing out that he came to FF for the group meditations that had 2,000 people then, and now just a small number. The status quo was all that was offered by Keith Wallace and Keith Wallace was not in sympathy there to acknowledging the attendance problem, the central effect it has on the community or working with it otherwise. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/31817 10 years ago. History, Transcendental Meditation Fairfield: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/419 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 From 2001, FFL: There is a huge opportunity, if the movement enclave could see it, in the base of the people who are here as meditators doing their meditation and doing their TM-Sidhis as meditators. The speculation for all of us watching is whether there may be too much rigid pride or too much arrogance inside the movement now to see what is here at hand. Possibly it is beyond the nature of character of too many in the middle to recoup. There is always hope. Of course, in reflecting, in the culture of the TM movement there is no place to rate ourselves on how we might be doing as a movement organized. No place even to ask or reflect how we might be doing supporting meditators or supporting teachers or sidhas. Versus our ideal administration, reflecting on our own administration in any way practical would of course be too negative. Would it be too practical? Announcing Two Upcoming Celebrations! Celebrating 30 Years Sunday, Dec. 20, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Amherst WPA Sunday, Dec. 27, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Creating Coherence Course and Moving to Fairfield Everyone is welcome and please bring your program badge! Jai Guru Dev Om Sweet Jesus! As an old conservative meditator who was also there, I would be very inclined to go up there and re-unite with this except for their you got to have a badge thing. An invite like this given the history reads again like a fuck you and fuck off. Unbelievably graceless. God help 'em. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Two points on this. 1. The 30th anniversary was actually last summer. I guess the idea just came up. Well, actually a few weeks ago some thoughtful person up there hosted a get-together for 50-year meditators living here in the community. Some folks going back to the 1950's with Maharishi. A congenial get-together for a meal in the Argiro student center up on campus. Some folks who were invited and went to it enjoyed it a lot and were then also impressed by how grumpy Beven was as they saw him. -D in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickm...@... wrote: Announcing Two Upcoming Celebrations! Celebrating 30 Years Sunday, Dec. 20, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Amherst WPA Sunday, Dec. 27, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Creating Coherence Course and Moving to Fairfield Everyone is welcome and please bring your program badge! Jai Guru Dev Om Sweet Jesus! As an old conservative meditator who was also there, I would be very inclined to go up there and re-unite with this except for their you got to have a badge thing. An invite like this given the history reads again like a fuck you and fuck off. Unbelievably graceless. God help 'em. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
With all due respect (and I *do* respect trying to find something to be uplifted by), isn't it sad in a way that the TM organization seems to find its upliftment only by revisiting the past? I mean, really. The enduring fascination with the Beatles and Donovan and the Beach Boys. The ruminations about the good old days when we still taught TM as if it mattered. Some writer once said something to the effect that you know your best days are behind you when you start looking mainly to the past for your inspiration. I don't know about you guys, but I derive inspiration from the enduring belief that my best days are still ahead of me. Announcing Two Upcoming Celebrations! Celebrating 30 Years Amherst WPA Moves to Create National Coherence in Fairfield History In the summer of 1979 almost 3000 people gathered for the very first World Peace Assembly in the United States at Amherst, Massachusetts. It was during this historic WPA that Maharishi asked all the Governors and Sidhas to move their families and businesses to Fairfield, Iowa to set up the first Creating Coherence community -- a permanent group to create coherence for the whole nation. To celebrate this amazing achievement, we have gathered a variety of speakers together to tell their stories about how they fulfilled Maharishi's request. Dr. Bevan Morris led the Amherst WPA and spearheaded the move to Fairfield and will speak both nights of this two-night celebration Speakers include: Mayor Ed Malloy, Dr. Stuart Zimmerman, Dr. Larry Chroman, Dr. Douglas Birx, Dr. Fred Gratzon, Dr. Gregg Wilson, Dr. Mario Orsatti, Dr. Wally Devasier, Dean Brad Mylett and others. Sunday, Dec. 20, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Amherst WPA Sunday, Dec. 27, 8:10 pm Dalby Hall, Argiro Student Center 30th Anniversary of Creating Coherence Course and Moving to Fairfield If you have a story from this time period, please submit it to tbro...@... Everyone is welcome and please bring your program badge! Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Two points on this. 1. The 30th anniversary was actually last summer. I guess the idea just came up. 2. None of the people mentioned below have actual Doctorate degrees. Whenever TM articles or TM research gets posted on blogs or pushed to new sites on the web, a number of TM doctors can be found posting in the comment sections on 'how wonderful the article was' or 'how wonderful TM is', or thanking the author for posting this fine wisdom, etc. Whenever they're asked what their doctorates are in, they never respond! Oh pathos, they try so hard. Most seem to have MERU honorary degrees for years of service to the World Plan (or whatever). It'd be nice to know that people with even honorary doctorates still would know how to count to 30.
