[FairfieldLife] Re: A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: Rick Archer rick@ Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi When I came to the end of this letter, I was so surprised to see that it was Joel writing the letter. Joel makes some very good points, but this whole thing about celibacy. What was that? Maharishi to the best of my knowledge never made any direct statements about being celibate to men on Purusha. Of course this was implied and present in all the yogi literature people read, but never directly from MMY. So many people lost their bearings in the TM movement because they stopped trusting their own judgment, their own experience. They allowed themselves to become psychologically enslaved by the increasingly bizarre perspective of MMY and never allowed themselves to trust their own little intuitive voice that was screaming at them. For those that don't know Joel, he is a very good man, a little fanatical at times like we all were at some time, but a great sense of humor and a warm heart. One of the good guys! -Peter Maharishi said plenty about celibacy, starting an Poland Spring, 1970 in my experience. Whenever the subject of sex came up, he would first say that he didn¢t know anything about it. Then, often in the next breath, he would talk about his desire to assemble a group of guys who wanted to live that lifestyle. Once Purusha was formed, there were plenty of meetings in which he fielded questions and encouraged the guys to maintain celibacy. I asked him about it personally one time (with regard to nocturnal emissions) and he gave me some advice (not to eat too much at night). You were never on Purusha were you Peter? Ah, yeah Rick, before you were. I remember talking to you about being on Purusha in front of the high rises many moons ago. The one time I asked Maharishi personally about celibacy he told me It would be good. I was married at the time and on a couples' course. This was in Courchevel France. I went back to my room, looked out the window and gazed upon three beautiful French girls sunbathing nude on the hotel top below me. My celibacy lasted about 5 minutes. Did you have all three of them?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh'boy, the Buddists are really getting upset about the TM success these days
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi
On Jul 29, 2008, at 3:37 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh'boy, the Buddists are really getting upset about the TM success these days Good joke Nabby!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi When I came to the end of this letter, I was so surprised to see that it was Joel writing the letter. Joel makes some very good points, but this whole thing about celibacy. What was that? Maharishi to the best of my knowledge never made any direct statements about being celibate to men on Purusha. Of course this was implied and present in all the yogi literature people read, but never directly from MMY. So many people lost their bearings in the TM movement because they stopped trusting their own judgment, their own experience. They allowed themselves to become psychologically enslaved by the increasingly bizarre perspective of MMY and never allowed themselves to trust their own little intuitive voice that was screaming at them. For those that don't know Joel, he is a very good man, a little fanatical at times like we all were at some time, but a great sense of humor and a warm heart. One of the good guys! -Peter Maharishi said plenty about celibacy, starting an Poland Spring, 1970 in my experience. Whenever the subject of sex came up, he would first say that he didn't know anything about it. Then, often in the next breath, he would talk about his desire to assemble a group of guys who wanted to live that lifestyle. Once Purusha was formed, there were plenty of meetings in which he fielded questions and encouraged the guys to maintain celibacy. I asked him about it personally one time (with regard to nocturnal emissions) and he gave me some advice (not to eat too much at night). You were never on Purusha were you Peter? I know from working at the University, and other experiences, that this did tended to be a problem in the movement. And I don't think Maharishi really knew much about sex. He was obviously not sexually repressed himself, Otherwise, he wouldn't have had this amazing precence and Shakti... Most people aren't ready to be celibate. Sex and emotions are the main obstacles, so I would agree with the importance with dealing with these issues... And I think the movement would have been more 'powerful' and more 'integrated into American society, if these two powerful aspects of life had been dealt with more directly. I have had to use other methods and experiences to heal some of these past emotional and sexual things, and am still in the process of healing. I think much of the problem in 'Celebate Communities', Whether it be Christian or Buddhist, you will find, The repressed Shakti, and lifelessness, that repressing emotions and sexual energy produces... Probably because Maharishi was born into a different culture, and was already at a high level at birth, and then coming in direct contact with a Guru like the one he had, Gave him a particularly powerful path, to get to a very high state of enlightenment fairly quickly... I've heard he experienced C.C. within three years, or something like that... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi When I came to the end of this letter, I was so surprised to see that it was Joel writing the letter. Joel makes some very good points, but this whole thing about celibacy. What was that? Maharishi to the best of my knowledge never made any direct statements about being celibate to men on Purusha. Of course this was implied and present in all the yogi literature people read, but never directly from MMY. So many people lost their bearings in the TM movement because they stopped trusting their own judgment, their own experience. They allowed themselves to become psychologically enslaved by the increasingly bizarre perspective of MMY and never allowed themselves to trust their own little intuitive voice that was screaming at them. For those that don't know Joel, he is a very good man, a little fanatical at times like we all were at some time, but a great sense of humor and a warm heart. One of the good guys! -Peter Maharishi said plenty about celibacy, starting an Poland Spring, 1970 in my experience. Whenever the subject of sex came up, he would first say that he didn't know anything about it. Then, often in the next breath, he would talk about his desire to assemble a group of guys who wanted to live that lifestyle. Once Purusha was formed, there were plenty of meetings in which he fielded questions and encouraged the guys to maintain celibacy. I asked him about it personally one time (with regard to nocturnal emissions) and he gave me some advice (not to eat too much at night). You were never on Purusha were you Peter? But Purusha was never cast as something a rank and file TMer might want to do or even COULD do, given that it was not a free ticket and that you had to have either the personal resources or the social contacts to pay the monthly bills. So regardless of the healthiness or even sanity of the Purusha program, it's not something that would be the experience of most TMers, and to try to generalize Purusha to the rest of the TMO would be a bit much. Besides, I know of plenty of people who are on purusha, the most famous of them being King Tony himself. WHile they all may be nuts, you gotta admit they're willing to drink their own Koolaide. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 29, 2008, at 3:37 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Oh'boy, the Buddists are really getting upset about the TM success these days Good joke Nabby! WEll, aside from me during a bad OCD day, how many TMers go and post anti-Buddhist stuff on a Buddhist website or forum? Lawson
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On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:13 PM, R.G. wrote: I know from working at the University, and other experiences, that this did tended to be a problem in the movement. And I don't think Maharishi really knew much about sex. This, in and of itself, is very telling. It certainly would mean he was not any real master of the tantric mantra paths (Hindu or Buddhist). A mantra master who is renunciate certainly would have great familiarity with inner tantric sexuality, which runs quite deep in both traditions. I know a number of legitimately renunciate tantric masters who householders went to for excellent advice, despite the fact the teacher never had been sexual. Because they had mastered the inner sexuality, they could comment freely and insightfully--and most interestingly, without any prudishness at all--on the frank realities involved.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi
On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:30 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 29, 2008, at 3:37 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Oh'boy, the Buddists are really getting upset about the TM success these days Good joke Nabby! WEll, aside from me during a bad OCD day, how many TMers go and post anti-Buddhist stuff on a Buddhist website or forum? The truth is like a double edged sword, it holds both what you can experience as negative and the positive in one. The trick is to grasp it truly...and get both. Then it cuts truly. If you mistake my post or posts as anti-Hindu, anti-mantrayana or anti mantra meditation, then you really, really missed the point.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 7:13 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi When I came to the end of this letter, I was so surprised to see that it was Joel writing the letter. Joel makes some very good points, but this whole thing about celibacy. What was that? Maharishi to the best of my knowledge never made any direct statements about being celibate to men on Purusha. Of course this was implied and present in all the yogi literature people read, but never directly from MMY. So many people lost their bearings in the TM movement because they stopped trusting their own judgment, their own experience. They allowed themselves to become psychologically enslaved by the increasingly bizarre perspective of MMY and never allowed themselves to trust their own little intuitive voice that was screaming at them. For those that don't know Joel, he is a very good man, a little fanatical at times like we all were at some time, but a great sense of humor and a warm heart. One of the good guys! -Peter Maharishi said plenty about celibacy, starting an Poland Spring, 1970 in my experience. Whenever the subject of sex came up, he would first say that he didn't know anything about it. Then, often in the next breath, he would talk about his desire to assemble a group of guys who wanted to live that lifestyle. Once Purusha was formed, there were plenty of meetings in which he fielded questions and encouraged the guys to maintain celibacy. Not in the first year of American Purusha. Absolutely not. I asked him about it personally one time (with regard to nocturnal emissions) and he gave me some advice (not to eat too much at night). You were never on Purusha were you Peter? Yes I was, the first year that it started in DC and then onto Fairfield. I know from working at the University, and other experiences, that this did tended to be a problem in the movement. And I don't think Maharishi really knew much about sex. He was obviously not sexually repressed himself, Otherwise, he wouldn't have had this amazing precence and Shakti... Most people aren't ready to be celibate. Sex and emotions are the main obstacles, so I would agree with the importance with dealing with these issues... I agree with you completely. And I think the movement would have been more 'powerful' and more 'integrated into American society, if these two powerful aspects of life had been dealt with more directly. I have had to use other methods and experiences to heal some of these past emotional and sexual things, and am still in the process of healing. I think much of the problem in 'Celebate Communities', Whether it be Christian or Buddhist, you will find, The repressed Shakti, and lifelessness, that repressing emotions and sexual energy produces... Probably because Maharishi was born into a different culture, and was already at a high level at birth, and then coming in direct contact with a Guru like the one he had, Gave him a particularly powerful path, to get to a very high state of enlightenment fairly quickly... I've heard he experienced C.C. within three years, or something like that... R.G. CC isn't all its cracked-up to be. Unity's the ticket! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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Maharishi said plenty about celibacy, starting an Poland Spring, 1970 in my experience. Whenever the subject of sex came up, he would first say that he didn't know anything about it. Then, often in the next breath, he would talk about his desire to assemble a group of guys who wanted to live that lifestyle. Once Purusha was formed, there were plenty of meetings in which he fielded questions and encouraged the guys to maintain celibacy. Not in the first year of American Purusha. Absolutely not. I was at livingston manor when it was all men (pre-purusha) as well as the beginning of purusha in fairfield and on special men's teams and it was always explicit that celibacy was expected. I can't imagine someone being on purusha and thinking MMY didn't want purusha to be celibate. The head honchos like Neil, bevan and others certainly made it clear at times. I asked him about it personally one time (with regard to nocturnal emissions) and he gave me some advice (not to eat too much at night). You were never on Purusha were you Peter? Yes I was, the first year that it started in DC and then onto Fairfield. I know from working at the University, and other experiences, that this did tended to be a problem in the movement. And I don't think Maharishi really knew much about sex. He was obviously not sexually repressed himself, Otherwise, he wouldn't have had this amazing precence and Shakti... Most people aren't ready to be celibate. Sex and emotions are the main obstacles, so I would agree with the importance with dealing with these issues... I agree with you completely. And I think the movement would have been more 'powerful' and more 'integrated into American society, if these two powerful aspects of life had been dealt with more directly. I have had to use other methods and experiences to heal some of these past emotional and sexual things, and am still in the process of healing. I think much of the problem in 'Celebate Communities', Whether it be Christian or Buddhist, you will find, The repressed Shakti, and lifelessness, that repressing emotions and sexual energy produces... Probably because Maharishi was born into a different culture, and was already at a high level at birth, and then coming in direct contact with a Guru like the one he had, Gave him a particularly powerful path, to get to a very high state of enlightenment fairly quickly... I've heard he experienced C.C. within three years, or something like that... R.G. CC isn't all its cracked-up to be. Unity's the ticket! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi
---Celibacy lesson in a nutshell from MMY: Do what I say, not what I do!. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi said plenty about celibacy, starting an Poland Spring, 1970 in my experience. Whenever the subject of sex came up, he would first say that he didn't know anything about it. Then, often in the next breath, he would talk about his desire to assemble a group of guys who wanted to live that lifestyle. Once Purusha was formed, there were plenty of meetings in which he fielded questions and encouraged the guys to maintain celibacy. Not in the first year of American Purusha. Absolutely not. I was at livingston manor when it was all men (pre-purusha) as well as the beginning of purusha in fairfield and on special men's teams and it was always explicit that celibacy was expected. I can't imagine someone being on purusha and thinking MMY didn't want purusha to be celibate. The head honchos like Neil, bevan and others certainly made it clear at times. I asked him about it personally one time (with regard to nocturnal emissions) and he gave me some advice (not to eat too much at night). You were never on Purusha were you Peter? Yes I was, the first year that it started in DC and then onto Fairfield. I know from working at the University, and other experiences, that this did tended to be a problem in the movement. And I don't think Maharishi really knew much about sex. He was obviously not sexually repressed himself, Otherwise, he wouldn't have had this amazing precence and Shakti... Most people aren't ready to be celibate. Sex and emotions are the main obstacles, so I would agree with the importance with dealing with these issues... I agree with you completely. And I think the movement would have been more 'powerful' and more 'integrated into American society, if these two powerful aspects of life had been dealt with more directly. I have had to use other methods and experiences to heal some of these past emotional and sexual things, and am still in the process of healing. I think much of the problem in 'Celebate Communities', Whether it be Christian or Buddhist, you will find, The repressed Shakti, and lifelessness, that repressing emotions and sexual energy produces... Probably because Maharishi was born into a different culture, and was already at a high level at birth, and then coming in direct contact with a Guru like the one he had, Gave him a particularly powerful path, to get to a very high state of enlightenment fairly quickly... I've heard he experienced C.C. within three years, or something like that... R.G. CC isn't all its cracked-up to be. Unity's the ticket! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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I was a TM teacher for 20 years. I was on Purusha for 7 years. Peter wrote: Joel makes some very good points, but this whole thing about celibacy. What was that? So, I guess Joel spent at least 27 years being unemployed and broke, sitting around all day meditating, and all that time thinking that he was supposed to be a celibate, but you're saying that Marshy never said to be celibate? This is just incredible!
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Are there woman on this site who've been seduced or hit on by MMY?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael James Flatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there woman on this site who've been seduced or hit on by MMY? Sexual Issues, outer projection... Shiva/Shakti... Mastery of sexual energy. No sexual frustration. Sexual energy is transformed to something else. Not too many responses. Check out Osho for this kind of thing. He was obsessed with Sex... The one in Oregon, remember him. Bagwhan Shree Rajneesh. Wasn't he into $$$ and 'Rolls Royce's... R.G.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was a TM teacher for 20 years. I was on Purusha for 7 years. Peter wrote: Joel makes some very good points, but this whole thing about celibacy. What was that? So, I guess Joel spent at least 27 years being unemployed and broke, sitting around all day meditating, and all that time thinking that he was supposed to be a celibate, but you're saying that Marshy never said to be celibate? This is just incredible! Well, then, we could have some resentment there, over sexuality issues... That little 'hard-wired' urge 'Constant craving, is all we do?' Anyway, do we blame Jesus for all the poor celibate Roman Catholic Priests, That obviously have had thier own share of troubles in this area. Then there's the OJ thing. Boy, that sex...ual urge... Just say No! R.G.
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Vaj wrote: I know a number of legitimately renunciate tantric masters who householders went to for excellent advice, despite the fact the teacher never had been sexual. Because they had mastered the inner sexuality, they could comment freely and insightfully--and most interestingly, without any prudishness at all--on the frank realities involved. So, why would a householder go to a celibate for sexual advice? And what householder would be interested in inner sexuality instead of sexual satisfaction? Most householders need to know how to satisfy their wives or husbands. If one isn't able, it would hardly do any good to get a celibate's advice would it? So, you're going to sneak out after your wife is asleep, so you can go talk about your private sex life with a baba?
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--Here's a possible candidate: http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809791044/photo/970480418 - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael James Flatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there woman on this site who've been seduced or hit on by MMY?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008
From:
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:26 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Letter to My Former Guru...the Maharishi
When I came to the end of this
letter, I was so surprised to see that it was Joel writing the letter. Joel
makes some very good points, but this whole thing about celibacy. What was
that? Maharishi to the best of my knowledge never made any direct statements
about being celibate to men on Purusha. Of course this was implied and
present in all the yogi literature people read, but never
directly from MMY. So many people lost their bearings in the TM movement
because they stopped trusting their own judgment, their own experience.
They allowed
themselves to become psychologically enslaved by the increasingly bizarre
perspective of MMY and never allowed themselves to trust their own little
intuitive voice that was screaming at them.
For those that don't know Joel, he is a very good
man, a little fanatical at times like we all were at some time, but a great
sense of humor and a warm heart. One of the good guys!
-Peter
Maharishi said
plenty about celibacy, starting an Poland Spring, 1970 in my experience.
Whenever the subject of sex came up, he would first say that he didn¢t know
anything about it. Then, often in the next breath, he would talk about his
desire to assemble a group of guys who wanted to live that lifestyle. Once
Purusha was formed, there were plenty of meetings in which he fielded
questions and encouraged the guys to maintain celibacy. I asked him about it
personally one time (with regard to nocturnal emissions) and he gave me some
advice (not to eat too much at night). You were never on Purusha were you
Peter?
Ah, yeah Rick, before you were. I remember talking to you about being on
Purusha in
front of the high rises many moons ago.
The one time I asked Maharishi personally about celibacy he told me It would
be good. I
was married at the time and on a couples' course. This was in Courchevel
France. I went
back to my room, looked out the window and gazed upon three beautiful French
girls
sunbathing nude on the hotel top below me.
My celibacy lasted about 5 minutes.
