Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: AIRPLANE BLUES
Well, at least someone dug far enough, to uncover the cover story.;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The no-brainer is uninformed speculation. It actually took some investigative work, checking into their backgrounds and current situations, to pretty much rule out the possibility of those two passengers being terrorists. Try looking at a news story or two. (...three, two, one, WHINE) "But Judy..." Doc, I agree with you on both counts. Someone is definitely withholding info. And the fake passports?! Is that not a no brainer?! My bet is on the two Iranians using fake passports, one of whom was carrying a suitcase. Also, with the hundreds of satellites above us, someone saw something, and isn't talking. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It's what is known in journalismese as a "Man bites dog" story. I don't know about "fun to solve"; that sounds a little heartless when the lives of so many people--including relatives and friends--are involved. But the mystery certainly is compelling, and it makes no sense to suggest there's something wrong with that perspective. The latest NYTimes story is headlined, "Malaysia Jet Changed Course at Time of Disappearance, Officials Say." Some officials, that is. As if there weren't enough confusion already, the reports are conflicting: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-jet.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-jet.html?hp Perspective? Sure, people across the globe are dropping like flies from heart attacks, road accidents, old age . . . but an aircraft vanishing without trace is a MYSTERY and mysteries are fun to solve! Think Amelia Earhart - we're still trying to work out what happened to her and she vanished in 1937.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AIRPLANE BLUES
Yes, this could be the endgame. In situations like this I'm not beyond wondering why those who believe in spiritualism (not me) couldn't arrange a séance and ask the medium to try and contact a lost loved one. If the medium makes "contact" that shows your loved one is dead, no? If she can't get in touch with a disembodied spirit there is still hope. A plane crash gives you a generous supply of possible messengers so could provide a nice test case for advocates or skeptics of such things.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: AIRPLANE BLUES
Chinese satellite images taken on Sunday have been released showing three large objects floating in the South China Sea in the original search area for the plane.
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On 3/12/2014 10:43 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: It actually took some investigative work, checking into their backgrounds and current situations, to pretty much rule out the possibility of those two passengers being terrorists. > Maybe check the stolen passport database, like most airports do, BEFORE the passengers board the flight. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AIRPLANE BLUES
Transponder Options The fact that it happened at all is astonishing to John Nance, a broadcast aviation analyst and veteran pilot. "It is hard to conceive of a situation in which a triple seven would lose all ability to have its transponder on and the crew would not find some way to communicate," he told CNN. Kit Darby, a long time pilot, said Tuesday it was not clear whether the transponder was turned off intentionally. A power failure would have turned off the main transponder and its backup, and the plane could have flown for more than an hour with such a power failure, the president of Aviation Information Resources told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. But Nance expressed doubt that that could have been the case. The electrical system aboard the plane is so robust and the transponder draws so little power that it would be one of the last pieces of equipment to go dark, even after a catastrophic event like an engine explosion or a breach of the cabin and rapid decompression, he said. "I'm in a head-scratching mode," Nance said. "The most likely probability is that a human hand turned that off. Then you get into the logic tree of who and why and there aren't that many channels in that tree." He added, "This is beginning to look very, very much like a hijacking." A former Federal Aviation Administration safety inspector agreed. David Soucie, author of "Why Planes Crash," cited the redundant electrical, charging, battery and communications systems on Boeing 777s. Much had to go wrong for the aircraft to lose its transponder and then to veer off course, he said, adding that it stands to reason "that someone forced those pilots to take control of the aircraft and take it off course." Turning off a transponder requires a deliberative process, said Peter Goelz, former managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board. "If someone did that in the cockpit, they were doing it to disguise the route of the plane," he told CNN. "There might still be mechanical explanations on what was going on, but those mechanical explanations are narrowing quickly." As for the plane turning around, there is some questioning of the reliability of Malaysian radar systems. The military system that was used to speculate on a turn-around of the plane is only as sophisticated as that used 75 years ago in London during World War II. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Why did the transponder stop transmitting? http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/13/world/asia/malaysia-plane-transponder.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/13/world/asia/malaysia-plane-transponder.html My bet is that the plane experienced a sudden decompression, the pilot tried to turn around to get back to Kuala Lumpur, but the pilots both blacked out because they failed to put on face masks in time. The debris is far out in the South China Sea somewhere. That's my bet also. Except the pilots were turning the plane back after the decompression event (they should have donned the oxygen mask as first priority) so the plane could be in the Indian Ocean.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AIRPLANE BLUES
Why did the transponder stop transmitting? http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/13/world/asia/malaysia-plane-transponder.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/13/world/asia/malaysia-plane-transponder.html My bet is that the plane experienced a sudden decompression, the pilot tried to turn around to get back to Kuala Lumpur, but the pilots both blacked out because they failed to put on face masks in time. The debris is far out in the South China Sea somewhere. That's my bet also. Except the pilots were turning the plane back after the decompression event (they should have donned the oxygen mask as first priority) so the plane could be in the Indian Ocean.
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This is actually a pretty reasonable hypothesis, as it allows for the plane to fly, on autopilot or not, or glide some distance from the loss of contact point, if we assume it just did not fall straight down. We have no evidence for any scenario at the present time. Proof is in the waiting, if ever. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 3/11/2014 10:00 PM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote: > My bet is on the two Iranians using fake passports, one of whom was > carrying a suitcase. > My bet is that the plane experienced a sudden decompression, the pilot tried to turn around to get back to Kuala Lumpur, but the pilots both blacked out because they failed to put on face masks in time. The debris is far out in the South China Sea somewhere. It may take as long as a year for anything to wash up on shore.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AIRPLANE BLUES
My bet is that the plane experienced a sudden decompression, the pilot tried to turn around to get back to Kuala Lumpur, but the pilots both blacked out because they failed to put on face masks in time. The debris is far out in the South China Sea somewhere. That's my bet also. Except the pilots were turning the plane back after the decompression event (they should have donned the oxygen mask as first priority) so the plane could be in the Indian Ocean.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: AIRPLANE BLUES
The no-brainer is uninformed speculation. It actually took some investigative work, checking into their backgrounds and current situations, to pretty much rule out the possibility of those two passengers being terrorists. Try looking at a news story or two. (...three, two, one, WHINE) "But Judy..." Doc, I agree with you on both counts. Someone is definitely withholding info. And the fake passports?! Is that not a no brainer?! My bet is on the two Iranians using fake passports, one of whom was carrying a suitcase. Also, with the hundreds of satellites above us, someone saw something, and isn't talking. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It's what is known in journalismese as a "Man bites dog" story. I don't know about "fun to solve"; that sounds a little heartless when the lives of so many people--including relatives and friends--are involved. But the mystery certainly is compelling, and it makes no sense to suggest there's something wrong with that perspective. The latest NYTimes story is headlined, "Malaysia Jet Changed Course at Time of Disappearance, Officials Say." Some officials, that is. As if there weren't enough confusion already, the reports are conflicting: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-jet.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-jet.html?hp Perspective? Sure, people across the globe are dropping like flies from heart attacks, road accidents, old age . . . but an aircraft vanishing without trace is a MYSTERY and mysteries are fun to solve! Think Amelia Earhart - we're still trying to work out what happened to her and she vanished in 1937.
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On 3/11/2014 10:00 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: > My bet is on the two Iranians using fake passports, one of whom was > carrying a suitcase. > My bet is that the plane experienced a sudden decompression, the pilot tried to turn around to get back to Kuala Lumpur, but the pilots both blacked out because they failed to put on face masks in time. The debris is far out in the South China Sea somewhere. It may take as long as a year for anything to wash up on shore.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: AIRPLANE BLUES
Doc, I agree with you on both counts. Someone is definitely withholding info. And the fake passports?! Is that not a no brainer?! On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:00 PM, "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" wrote: My bet is on the two Iranians using fake passports, one of whom was carrying a suitcase. Also, with the hundreds of satellites above us, someone saw something, and isn't talking. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It's what is known in journalismese as a "Man bites dog" story. I don't know about "fun to solve"; that sounds a little heartless when the lives of so many people--including relatives and friends--are involved. But the mystery certainly is compelling, and it makes no sense to suggest there's something wrong with that perspective. The latest NYTimes story is headlined, "Malaysia Jet Changed Course at Time of Disappearance, Officials Say." Some officials, that is. As if there weren't enough confusion already, the reports are conflicting: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-jet.html Perspective? Sure, people across the globe are dropping like flies from heart attacks, road accidents, old age . . . but an aircraft vanishing without trace is a MYSTERY and mysteries are fun to solve! Think Amelia Earhart - we're still trying to work out what happened to her and she vanished in 1937.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AIRPLANE BLUES
Thank you father. I'm sure we all needed that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Perspective. The Malaysia flight 370 seems to dominate the news, with essentially no real information on what happened. There were 239 people on the flight including the crew. Somewhere between 145,000 and 155,000 people die on Earth every day from various causes, that's 6,000 to about 6,500 per hour. That is a lot more grief for many still living than a single aeroplane.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AIRPLANE BLUES
My bet is on the two Iranians using fake passports, one of whom was carrying a suitcase. Also, with the hundreds of satellites above us, someone saw something, and isn't talking. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It's what is known in journalismese as a "Man bites dog" story. I don't know about "fun to solve"; that sounds a little heartless when the lives of so many people--including relatives and friends--are involved. But the mystery certainly is compelling, and it makes no sense to suggest there's something wrong with that perspective. The latest NYTimes story is headlined, "Malaysia Jet Changed Course at Time of Disappearance, Officials Say." Some officials, that is. As if there weren't enough confusion already, the reports are conflicting: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-jet.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-jet.html?hp Perspective? Sure, people across the globe are dropping like flies from heart attacks, road accidents, old age . . . but an aircraft vanishing without trace is a MYSTERY and mysteries are fun to solve! Think Amelia Earhart - we're still trying to work out what happened to her and she vanished in 1937.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AIRPLANE BLUES
Some expert made the point that flying is so safe these days--because so many of the kinks have been worked out--that any major mishap involving a big commercial plane is likely to be a mystery, at least at first, and possibly permanently, almost guaranteed to have been caused by something unusual (like a suicidal pilot). They do seem to have ruled out terrorism involving the two dudes with stolen passports, for whatever that's worth. They checked out their histories and current situations, and they appear to be (have been?) pretty ordinary guys. And we know that dying in a plane crash comes pretty close to the top of people's nightmare scenarios. Add in the possibility of terrorist involvement or, even scarier(?), a suicidal pilot and thinking about it could keep you awake nights.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AIRPLANE BLUES
Yes Nabby, I heard this one too (via tape). Maybe our innate sense (or at least desire) of immortality gets a bit more ruffled when a group perishes suddenly. The thought maybe this place (Earth) isn't so safe after all, and thus '"I"am not safe' comes bubbling up to the surface. I briefly had a part time job on Alameda Island in the San Francisco area. One day a military jet crashed into an apartment building on the island, rather far from where I worked. I drove by the next day - no building. There had been a terrific fire from the jet fuel. But the crash only covered the area of the building, the jet came down vertically. About a dozen people died. It was thought that a spark ignited the hose on the pilot's oxygen mask, so there was an internal fire of some kind in the cockpit very near the pilot's mask because the pilot dropped out of formation suddenly without warning or communication. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vk1iwoIIOys/Ux64KmmwQoI/El4/xnBhReQnbLQ/s1600/31gwFls.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vk1iwoIIOys/Ux64KmmwQoI/El4/xnBhReQnbLQ/s1600/31gwFls.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dqTXvKl_39E/Ux64Q0_BiHI/EmI/7yGmZSX6k28/s1600/qYDKcnO.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dqTXvKl_39E/Ux64Q0_BiHI/EmI/7yGmZSX6k28/s1600/qYDKcnO.jpg ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Maharishi was once asked about big accidents like this and replied: "If they should go why not go together ?" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Perspective. The Malaysia flight 370 seems to dominate the news, with essentially no real information on what happened. There were 239 people on the flight including the crew. Somewhere between 145,000 and 155,000 people die on Earth every day from various causes, that's 6,000 to about 6,500 per hour. That is a lot more grief for many still living than a single aeroplane.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AIRPLANE BLUES
And we know that dying in a plane crash comes pretty close to the top of people's nightmare scenarios. Add in the possibility of terrorist involvement or, even scarier(?), a suicidal pilot and thinking about it could keep you awake nights.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AIRPLANE BLUES
Maharishi was once asked about big accidents like this and replied: "If they should go why not go together ?" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Perspective. The Malaysia flight 370 seems to dominate the news, with essentially no real information on what happened. There were 239 people on the flight including the crew. Somewhere between 145,000 and 155,000 people die on Earth every day from various causes, that's 6,000 to about 6,500 per hour. That is a lot more grief for many still living than a single aeroplane.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AIRPLANE BLUES
Twice as many people died of flu after the first world war than died in the fighting. More Israeli's have been killed in car crashes than in wars. I think we as a species don't assess risk very well and put higher emphasis on sudden calamity. I know people who smoke that are scared of flying... Perhaps a tragedy like this affects people more because it's something that might happen to them? Obviously dying happens to everyone but an unexpected disaster is a bit more raw and real than more mundane ways of passing over.. But here's something fascinating for you: http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Perspective. The Malaysia flight 370 seems to dominate the news, with essentially no real information on what happened. There were 239 people on the flight including the crew. Somewhere between 145,000 and 155,000 people die on Earth every day from various causes, that's 6,000 to about 6,500 per hour. That is a lot more grief for many still living than a single aeroplane.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AIRPLANE BLUES
It's what is known in journalismese as a "Man bites dog" story. I don't know about "fun to solve"; that sounds a little heartless when the lives of so many people--including relatives and friends--are involved. But the mystery certainly is compelling, and it makes no sense to suggest there's something wrong with that perspective. The latest NYTimes story is headlined, "Malaysia Jet Changed Course at Time of Disappearance, Officials Say." Some officials, that is. As if there weren't enough confusion already, the reports are conflicting: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-jet.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-jet.html?hp Perspective? Sure, people across the globe are dropping like flies from heart attacks, road accidents, old age . . . but an aircraft vanishing without trace is a MYSTERY and mysteries are fun to solve! Think Amelia Earhart - we're still trying to work out what happened to her and she vanished in 1937.
[FairfieldLife] Re: AIRPLANE BLUES
Perspective? Sure, people across the globe are dropping like flies from heart attacks, road accidents, old age . . . but an aircraft vanishing without trace is a MYSTERY and mysteries are fun to solve! Think Amelia Earhart - we're still trying to work out what happened to her and she vanished in 1937.
