RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser If you're interested, all the technical stuff has been documented in exhaustive (and exhausting) detail on the No Quarter blog (see the link in Alex's post). The blog is virulently anti-Obama, BTW, so take your salt-shaker. The technical stuff looks pretty convincing to me just from the way it's presented, but I have no way of knowing whether it's a snow job. If it is, it's really well done. I don't want to go through all that, but I still don't understand what the motive is supposed to have been.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser If you're interested, all the technical stuff has been documented in exhaustive (and exhausting) detail on the No Quarter blog (see the link in Alex's post). The blog is virulently anti-Obama, BTW, so take your salt-shaker. The technical stuff looks pretty convincing to me just from the way it's presented, but I have no way of knowing whether it's a snow job. If it is, it's really well done. I don't want to go through all that, but I still don't understand what the motive is supposed to have been. The theory is that he didn't want the issue of his alleged dual citizenship to be raised at all; it would just give the right something else to beat him up with, with regard to the claims that he's really Muslim, that he's insufficiently patriotic, not Amurrican enough, etc.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser The theory is that he didn't want the issue of his alleged dual citizenship to be raised at all; it would just give the right something else to beat him up with, with regard to the claims that he's really Muslim, that he's insufficiently patriotic, not Amurrican enough, etc. Well, it's no secret that he lived in Indonesia. He'd have to be pretty dumb to try to stage a cover-up like this, and he ain't dumb. If there's any truth to this, it'll come out, as the Edwards thing did.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser The theory is that he didn't want the issue of his alleged dual citizenship to be raised at all; it would just give the right something else to beat him up with, with regard to the claims that he's really Muslim, that he's insufficiently patriotic, not Amurrican enough, etc. Well, it's no secret that he lived in Indonesia. Again, it's not where he lived, it's the alleged dual citizenship that he supposedly never renounced. To some, that suggests dual loyalties. He'd have to be pretty dumb to try to stage a cover-up like this, and he ain't dumb. If there's any truth to this, it'll come out, as the Edwards thing did. Edwards isn't dumb either, nor was Clinton, nor Gary Hart. And Obama didn't think his membership in Trinity Church and his association with Rev. Wright would cause him any problems. In the statement he released, Edwards says, In the course of several campaigns, I started to believe that I was special and became increasingly egocentric and narcissistic. That may be a more common affliction among politicians than we realized, that they begin to feel invulnerable and can just do anything they feel like doing. It would certainly explain a whole raft of dumb behavior from otherwise very smart people.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
In the statement he released, Edwards says, In the course of several campaigns, I started to believe that I was special and became increasingly egocentric and narcissistic. That may be a more common affliction among politicians than we realized, that they begin to feel invulnerable and can just do anything they feel like doing. It would certainly explain a whole raft of dumb behavior from otherwise very smart people. John Stewart ran a funny bit on Obama's supposed arrogance. He said, both candidates think they should be the leader of the free world, that by definition is kind of arrogant! We want our alpha males, then we are shocked when they act like alpha males! We really don't have much comfort with our primate past IMO. We have this primal part of ourselves that doesn't care about societal consequences. In so many cultures there has been much more acceptance of this. We still carry the puritan burden. I can't believe what a wildman Sarkozy was. I think we really have this one wrong here in the US. Clinton carried this one a bit far by doing it in the oval office, but I guess he didn't exactly have to many other chances. I can easily understand how long time married couples might want a little variety in sex while still valuing their partner. They are not mutually exclusive. How did jealousy and personal ownership become such big deal virtues? Oh yeah,it got re-branded as fidelity. We glorify people willing to exist in a sexless marriage, as if sex should be optional. Not for people who still value the heat of passion it isn't. Glorifying passionless unions is creepy. That is what we have sunk to in modern culture. What a great guy, he could exist without sex or by having sex with a mate he has lost sexual interest in. Just take a blue pill, close your eyes and dream about your au pair. How virtuous! http://tinyurl.com/5p5npj --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser The theory is that he didn't want the issue of his alleged dual citizenship to be raised at all; it would just give the right something else to beat him up with, with regard to the claims that he's really Muslim, that he's insufficiently patriotic, not Amurrican enough, etc. Well, it's no secret that he lived in Indonesia. Again, it's not where he lived, it's the alleged dual citizenship that he supposedly never renounced. To some, that suggests dual loyalties. He'd have to be pretty dumb to try to stage a cover-up like this, and he ain't dumb. If there's any truth to this, it'll come out, as the Edwards thing did. Edwards isn't dumb either, nor was Clinton, nor Gary Hart. And Obama didn't think his membership in Trinity Church and his association with Rev. Wright would cause him any problems. In the statement he released, Edwards says, In the course of several campaigns, I started to believe that I was special and became increasingly egocentric and narcissistic. That may be a more common affliction among politicians than we realized, that they begin to feel invulnerable and can just do anything they feel like doing. It would certainly explain a whole raft of dumb behavior from otherwise very smart people.
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On Aug 9, 2008, at 12:31 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: We glorify people willing to exist in a sexless marriage, as if sex should be optional. Not for people who still value the heat of passion it isn't. Glorifying passionless unions is creepy. That is what we have sunk to in modern culture. What a great guy, he could exist without sex or by having sex with a mate he has lost sexual interest in. Just take a blue pill, close your eyes and dream about your au pair. How virtuous! How do you know it's blue, Curtis? (Heh, heh, heh...) Our culture is one of pure, sanctimonious BS. Unfortunately, it may get even worse before it gets better. Sal
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snip Just take a blue pill, close your eyes and dream about your au pair. How virtuous! How do you know it's blue, Curtis? (Heh, heh, heh...) Just take a look...oh...that was a trick question wasn't it? Uh cuz uh..you know, I uh...saw one on TV, yeah that's the ticket, I saw one on TV! The better question is how I know so much about au pairs! Our culture is one of pure, sanctimonious BS. Unfortunately, it may get even worse before it gets better. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the statement he released, Edwards says, In the course of several campaigns, I started to believe that I was special and became increasingly egocentric and narcissistic. That may be a more common affliction among politicians than we realized, that they begin to feel invulnerable and can just do anything they feel like doing. It would certainly explain a whole raft of dumb behavior from otherwise very smart people. John Stewart ran a funny bit on Obama's supposed arrogance. He said, both candidates think they should be the leader of the free world, that by definition is kind of arrogant! We want our alpha males, then we are shocked when they act like alpha males! Maybe time to try alpha females...? We really don't have much comfort with our primate past IMO. We have this primal part of ourselves that doesn't care about societal consequences. In so many cultures there has been much more acceptance of this. We still carry the puritan burden. I can't believe what a wildman Sarkozy was. I think we really have this one wrong here in the US. Somebody pointed out on one of the blogs that Gov. Paterson of New York, who took over after Spitzer went down in flames for patronizing call girls, held a press conference with his wife very shortly after he took office to reveal that they had both had had affairs during a rough patch in their marriage. As far as I'm aware, there have been zero repercussions. That *may* be an indication that if politicians were up front about their dalliances, there wouldn't be nearly as much hoo-hah. Maybe we're more puritan about lying to the public than we are about the actual sexual behavior. Clinton carried this one a bit far by doing it in the oval office, but I guess he didn't exactly have to many other chances. Doing it in the Oval Office was part of the thrill, I suspect, part of the I-can-do-anything-I-damn-please narcissism. And the syndrome isn't just with regard to sex. I can easily understand how long time married couples might want a little variety in sex while still valuing their partner. They are not mutually exclusive. How did jealousy and personal ownership become such big deal virtues? Oh yeah,it got re-branded as fidelity. I'm not entirely sure jealousy in personal relationships is all just socially programmed. And part of it is the issue of trust. Plus which, it's very individual, on all counts. We glorify people willing to exist in a sexless marriage, We do?? as if sex should be optional. Not for people who still value the heat of passion it isn't. Glorifying passionless unions is creepy. That is what we have sunk to in modern culture. What a great guy, he could exist without sex or by having sex with a mate he has lost sexual interest in. Dunno where you're getting this from! It sure isn't a perspective I encounter very often. Not saying it isn't creepy, just that I don't think there's a lot of it around.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser If you're interested, all the technical stuff has been documented in exhaustive (and exhausting) detail on the No Quarter blog (see the link in Alex's post). The blog is virulently anti-Obama, BTW, so take your salt-shaker. The technical stuff looks pretty convincing to me just from the way it's presented, but I have no way of knowing whether it's a snow job. If it is, it's really well done. I don't want to go through all that, but I still don't understand what the motive is supposed to have been. McCain wasn't even born on American soil, so the possible fact that Obama has 2 birth certificates is probably not something the Republicans want to raise as an issue... Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser The theory is that he didn't want the issue of his alleged dual citizenship to be raised at all; it would just give the right something else to beat him up with, with regard to the claims that he's really Muslim, that he's insufficiently patriotic, not Amurrican enough, etc. Well, it's no secret that he lived in Indonesia. Again, it's not where he lived, it's the alleged dual citizenship that he supposedly never renounced. To some, that suggests dual loyalties. Perhaps, but in fact, dual citizenship... is that an issue at all, constitutionally speaking? Also, the repbulicans would be very silly to make it a campaign issue given the issue with McCain's place of birth. He'd have to be pretty dumb to try to stage a cover-up like this, and he ain't dumb. If there's any truth to this, it'll come out, as the Edwards thing did. Edwards isn't dumb either, nor was Clinton, nor Gary Hart. And Obama didn't think his membership in Trinity Church and his association with Rev. Wright would cause him any problems. In the statement he released, Edwards says, In the course of several campaigns, I started to believe that I was special and became increasingly egocentric and narcissistic. That may be a more common affliction among politicians than we realized, that they begin to feel invulnerable and can just do anything they feel like doing. It would certainly explain a whole raft of dumb behavior from otherwise very smart people. I wouldn't say its something that I hadn't realized. As Jon Steward says, these guys are running for President of the United States, the most powerful position in the world. DO you expect them to somehow NOT be elitist? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Again, it's not where he lived, it's the alleged dual citizenship that he supposedly never renounced. To some, that suggests dual loyalties. Perhaps, but in fact, dual citizenship... is that an issue at all, constitutionally speaking? Probably not (as I said earlier), but that isn't the point. Also, the repbulicans would be very silly to make it a campaign issue given the issue with McCain's place of birth. Different issue entirely, and McCain's eligibility was confirmed by Congress in any case. He'd have to be pretty dumb to try to stage a cover-up like this, and he ain't dumb. If there's any truth to this, it'll come out, as the Edwards thing did. Edwards isn't dumb either, nor was Clinton, nor Gary Hart. And Obama didn't think his membership in Trinity Church and his association with Rev. Wright would cause him any problems. In the statement he released, Edwards says, In the course of several campaigns, I started to believe that I was special and became increasingly egocentric and narcissistic. That may be a more common affliction among politicians than we realized, that they begin to feel invulnerable and can just do anything they feel like doing. It would certainly explain a whole raft of dumb behavior from otherwise very smart people. I wouldn't say its something that I hadn't realized. As Jon Steward says, these guys are running for President of the United States, the most powerful position in the world. DO you expect them to somehow NOT be elitist? Did I say I expected them to somehow NOT be elitist? Did I even use the word elitist? What I said was...well, read what I wrote again, please.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser If you're interested, all the technical stuff has been documented in exhaustive (and exhausting) detail on the No Quarter blog (see the link in Alex's post). The blog is virulently anti-Obama, BTW, so take your salt-shaker. The technical stuff looks pretty convincing to me just from the way it's presented, but I have no way of knowing whether it's a snow job. If it is, it's really well done. I don't want to go through all that, but I still don't understand what the motive is supposed to have been. McCain wasn't even born on American soil, so the possible fact that Obama has 2 birth certificates I don't believe anybody has suggested Obama has two birth certificates. What he's alleged to have is dual citizenship due to his alleged adoption by his Indonesian stepfather. is probably not something the Republicans want to raise as an issue... It wouldn't be likely to be raised as an eligibility issue so much as a dual-loyalties issue. One of the right's smears against him is that he's insufficiently patriotic; and the Muslim rumor is also enhanced if he's a citizen of Indonesia as well as the U.S. The theory is that Obama didn't want to give the right ammunition to further those smears. But if it turns out that he's tried to avoid those problems by posting a forged birth certificate on the Web, that would get him in a whole lot more trouble than any of this. BTW, I said in an earlier post that Congress had confirmed McCain's eligibility. Actually what happened is that the Senate passed a resolution that he was eligible, but it's nonbinding. It's still not going to be anything but possibly a minor hassle if some winger decides to challenge it in court. The Constitution is vaguely worded on this point, but, for instance, Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before it became a state, so there was technically a question as to whether he could be said to have been born in the United States. Congress needs to clarify this, but it's very unlikely to seriously get in McCain's way.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] The Constitution is vaguely worded on this point, but, for instance, Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before it became a state, so there was technically a question as to whether he could be said to have been born in the United States. Congress needs to clarify this, but it's very unlikely to seriously get in McCain's way. [From episode 127, The Doll] ELAINE: So, you weren't born here? FRANK COSTANZA: No. That's why I can never be president.. It always irked me. That's why, even at an early age, I had no interest in politics. I refuse to vote. (Yelling out) They don't want me, I don't want them!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Again, it's not where he lived, it's the alleged dual citizenship that he supposedly never renounced. To some, that suggests dual loyalties. Perhaps, but in fact, dual citizenship... is that an issue at all, constitutionally speaking? Probably not (as I said earlier), but that isn't the point. Also, the repbulicans would be very silly to make it a campaign issue given the issue with McCain's place of birth. Different issue entirely, and McCain's eligibility was confirmed by Congress in any case. He'd have to be pretty dumb to try to stage a cover-up like this, and he ain't dumb. If there's any truth to this, it'll come out, as the Edwards thing did. Edwards isn't dumb either, nor was Clinton, nor Gary Hart. And Obama didn't think his membership in Trinity Church and his association with Rev. Wright would cause him any problems. In the statement he released, Edwards says, In the course of several campaigns, I started to believe that I was special and became increasingly egocentric and narcissistic. That may be a more common affliction among politicians than we realized, that they begin to feel invulnerable and can just do anything they feel like doing. It would certainly explain a whole raft of dumb behavior from otherwise very smart people. I wouldn't say its something that I hadn't realized. As Jon Steward says, these guys are running for President of the United States, the most powerful position in the world. DO you expect them to somehow NOT be elitist? Did I say I expected them to somehow NOT be elitist? Did I even use the word elitist? What I said was...well, read what I wrote again, please. Well, egocentric and narcissistic apply here as well, I suspect. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser If you're interested, all the technical stuff has been documented in exhaustive (and exhausting) detail on the No Quarter blog (see the link in Alex's post). The blog is virulently anti-Obama, BTW, so take your salt-shaker. The technical stuff looks pretty convincing to me just from the way it's presented, but I have no way of knowing whether it's a snow job. If it is, it's really well done. I don't want to go through all that, but I still don't understand what the motive is supposed to have been. McCain wasn't even born on American soil, so the possible fact that Obama has 2 birth certificates I don't believe anybody has suggested Obama has two birth certificates. What he's alleged to have is dual citizenship due to his alleged adoption by his Indonesian stepfather. is probably not something the Republicans want to raise as an issue... It wouldn't be likely to be raised as an eligibility issue so much as a dual-loyalties issue. One of the right's smears against him is that he's insufficiently patriotic; and the Muslim rumor is also enhanced if he's a citizen of Indonesia as well as the U.S. The theory is that Obama didn't want to give the right ammunition to further those smears. But if it turns out that he's tried to avoid those problems by posting a forged birth certificate on the Web, that would get him in a whole lot more trouble than any of this. BTW, I said in an earlier post that Congress had confirmed McCain's eligibility. Actually what happened is that the Senate passed a resolution that he was eligible, but it's nonbinding. It's still not going to be anything but possibly a minor hassle if some winger decides to challenge it in court. The Constitution is vaguely worded on this point, but, for instance, Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before it became a state, so there was technically a question as to whether he could be said to have been born in the United States. Congress needs to clarify this, but it's very unlikely to seriously get in McCain's way. Senators, like govenators, need not be natural-born US citizens. Presidents, on the other hand... Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip The Constitution is vaguely worded on this point, but, for instance, Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before it became a state, so there was technically a question as to whether he could be said to have been born in the United States. Congress needs to clarify this, but it's very unlikely to seriously get in McCain's way. Senators, like govenators, need not be natural-born US citizens. Presidents, on the other hand... And the relevance of this to what I wrote is...?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip In the statement he released, Edwards says, In the course of several campaigns, I started to believe that I was special and became increasingly egocentric and narcissistic. That may be a more common affliction among politicians than we realized, that they begin to feel invulnerable and can just do anything they feel like doing. It would certainly explain a whole raft of dumb behavior from otherwise very smart people. I wouldn't say its something that I hadn't realized. As Jon Steward says, these guys are running for President of the United States, the most powerful position in the world. DO you expect them to somehow NOT be elitist? Did I say I expected them to somehow NOT be elitist? Did I even use the word elitist? What I said was...well, read what I wrote again, please. Well, egocentric and narcissistic apply here as well, I suspect. Um, there was another word in there that actually applies to what I said.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip The Constitution is vaguely worded on this point, but, for instance, Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before it became a state, so there was technically a question as to whether he could be said to have been born in the United States. Congress needs to clarify this, but it's very unlikely to seriously get in McCain's way. Senators, like govenators, need not be natural-born US citizens. Presidents, on the other hand... And the relevance of this to what I wrote is...? I forgot that Goldwater had been nominated... Lawson
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(sniP) Senators, like govenators, need not be natural-born US citizens. Presidents, on the other hand... Lawson Barack Obama is as 'Natural Born' as one can get. He's a 'Natural Born President of the United States'. Get used to it, white boys! R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Case Against Barack Obama The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media's Favorite Candidate There's also the question of whether he has dual citizenship and is ineligible to be POTUS. It appears that the Hawaiian certificate of live birth (COLB) being used by the Obama campaign to prove his US citizenship is a forgery based on his sister's COLB. http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/dual-citizenship/ http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:58 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Case Against Barack Obama The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media's Favorite Candidate There's also the question of whether he has dual citizenship and is ineligible to be POTUS. It appears that the Hawaiian certificate of live birth (COLB) being used by the Obama campaign to prove his US citizenship is a forgery based on his sister's COLB. http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/dual-citizenship/ http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/ So where is he supposed to have been born?
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FWIW, I didn't see much listed in this ad that was new. Seems to be pretty well-trodden ground. Infanticide-by-neglect, BTW, is a pretty shifty term. It refers to a law that infants who survive a late-term abortion via induced labor are to be legally considered persons. If no effort is made to save the infant, that's infanticide-by-neglect, according to the code, even if the infant is so premature or malformed that it could not possibly live more than a few minutes. Obama opposed the bill in the Illinois senate because he felt the specific language used in it would undermine Roe v. Wade. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will save you the time of reading the book: This new book - The Case Against Barack Obama is published by the same group that brought you Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry - the book that defeated John Kerry in 2004.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So where is he supposed to have been born? They're saying he was born in Hawaii but attained Indonesian citizenship when he was adopted by his step-father. The adoption means his original birth certificate would have been re-issued with his new adopted surname, Soetoro. The accusation is that they made a forged COLB in order to not draw attention to the Indonesian citizenship issue.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:03 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So where is he supposed to have been born? They're saying he was born in Hawaii but attained Indonesian citizenship when he was adopted by his step-father. The adoption means his original birth certificate would have been re-issued with his new adopted surname, Soetoro. The accusation is that they made a forged COLB in order to not draw attention to the Indonesian citizenship issue. That would get him in trouble, if true, but having been born in the US, he's eligible to be POTUS, no matter where else he might have lived.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:03 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: So where is he supposed to have been born? They're saying he was born in Hawaii but attained Indonesian citizenship when he was adopted by his step-father. The adoption means his original birth certificate would have been re-issued with his new adopted surname, Soetoro. The accusation is that they made a forged COLB in order to not draw attention to the Indonesian citizenship issue. That would get him in trouble, if true, but having been born in the US, he's eligible to be POTUS, no matter where else he might have lived. It's not a matter of where he's lived but whether he holds dual citizenship. It isn't entirely clear that a person with dual citizenship is eligible to be POTUS. It would probably be a fairly simple matter for Congress or the courts to rule that he is eligible, but as you note, the real scandal would be if he has tried to pass of a forgery as his birth certificate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:03 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: So where is he supposed to have been born? They're saying he was born in Hawaii but attained Indonesian citizenship when he was adopted by his step-father. The adoption means his original birth certificate would have been re-issued with his new adopted surname, Soetoro. The accusation is that they made a forged COLB in order to not draw attention to the Indonesian citizenship issue. That would get him in trouble, if true, but having been born in the US, he's eligible to be POTUS, no matter where else he might have lived. It's not a matter of where he's lived but whether he holds dual citizenship. It isn't entirely clear that a person with dual citizenship is eligible to be POTUS. It would probably be a fairly simple matter for Congress or the courts to rule that he is eligible, but as you note, the real scandal would be if he has tried to pass of a forgery as his birth certificate. Actually, it would only be a scandal if Obama himself knew it was a forgery. If it turns out to be a forgery, it could very well be something his mother and/or step-parent did. My father held two birth certificates. He was born in Greece 1919 and came as an immigrant with his parents to Canada in in 1920. When his brother was born a year later, my grandfather got my father a birth certificate saying he was born in some town in Ontario, where they had moved. So for his entire life, my father had two birth certificates: one from Greece and one from Canada. Whenever he crossed the border to the States, he always said he was born in Canada because he claimed it caused less hassles.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip It's not a matter of where he's lived but whether he holds dual citizenship. It isn't entirely clear that a person with dual citizenship is eligible to be POTUS. It would probably be a fairly simple matter for Congress or the courts to rule that he is eligible, but as you note, the real scandal would be if he has tried to pass of a forgery as his birth certificate. Actually, it would only be a scandal if Obama himself knew it was a forgery. If it turns out to be a forgery, it could very well be something his mother and/or step-parent did. Not likely, since the forging would have been done on a computer and would have required a fair amount of technical skill. What appears to have happened is that a scan was made of Obama's sister's Hawaiian birth certificate, and then that scanned image was altered with image software (Photoshop?) and posted to the Internet by the Obama campaign. The altered scan, when examined very closely, appears to bear significant traces of his sister's certificate. Several people working independently are said to have recovered the same traces. If you're interested, all the technical stuff has been documented in exhaustive (and exhausting) detail on the No Quarter blog (see the link in Alex's post). The blog is virulently anti-Obama, BTW, so take your salt-shaker. The technical stuff looks pretty convincing to me just from the way it's presented, but I have no way of knowing whether it's a snow job. If it is, it's really well done.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another book about everyone's favorite community organiser
--- (sniP) McCain was born in the 'Panama Canel Zona'... The real forgery is the one that was recently written about; Of how the Bush Administration, forged a document, attempting to link; Mohammand Atta, to Saddam Hussein, in their attempt to brainwash the American public, in order to go to war in Iraq... R.G.
