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On 10/1/2014 9:11 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Plus, Richard, isn't Castanedes one of turq's heroes? And didn't he write about beings that are similar to fairies and pixies?! > /Apparently Turq once read Castaneda's books - "A Separate Reality" before he even met Rama. According to the TB posted in a recent comment posted to FFL that he read "Journey To Itxtlan" and "Tales Of Power" while he was supposed to be taking a six month TM-Siddhi course. Maybe he is a slow reader and even then, he apparently didn't make the connection between the Yaqui teachings of don Juan and Asian shamanism. The supreme goal of the shaman is to abandon his body and rise up to heaven or descend into hell - not to let himself be "possessed" by his assisting spirits, by demons or the souls of the dead; the shaman's ideal is to master these spirits, not to let himself be "occupied" by them." Go figure./ /Only known photo of don Juan Matus/
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Plus, Richard, isn't Castanedes one of turq's heroes? And didn't he write about beings that are similar to fairies and pixies?! Attempting to apply Reason and Rationality to Turq won't work. There is no consistency to Turq. There is no one Turq. Now, does hes make more sense to you? On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:08 AM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: On 10/1/2014 7:03 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Just more hypocrisy from the guy who believes in both God, reincarnation, which by definition includes the celestial and astral realms, but feels compelled to both insult others and kowtow to those on the forum who he considers part of his elite, cool, club. > So, Barry believes in the Tibetan "bardo", the Hindu "karma", and the Buddhist "reincarnation", and probably the Rosicrucian "cosmo-conception." Go figure. "Hypocrisy is the claim or pretense of holding beliefs, feelings, standards, qualities, opinions, behaviors, virtues, motivations, or other characteristics that one does not in actual fact hold. It is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Exactly. Both of which (fairies and pixies) the two people claiming to be knowledgeable about the asstral (sic) and the celestial probably believe in.
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Plus, Richard, isn't Castanedes one of turq's heroes? And didn't he write about beings that are similar to fairies and pixies?! On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:08 AM, "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote: On 10/1/2014 7:03 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Just more hypocrisy from the guy who believes in both God, reincarnation, which by definition includes the celestial and astral realms, but feels compelled to both insult others and kowtow to those on the forum who he considers part of his elite, cool, club. > So, Barry believes in the Tibetan "bardo", the Hindu "karma", and the Buddhist "reincarnation", and probably the Rosicrucian "cosmo-conception." Go figure. "Hypocrisy is the claim or pretense of holding beliefs, feelings, standards, qualities, opinions, behaviors, virtues, motivations, or other characteristics that one does not in actual fact hold. It is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy > >---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > >Exactly. Both of which (fairies and pixies) the two people claiming to be >knowledgeable about the asstral (sic) and the celestial probably believe in.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/1/2014 7:03 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Just more hypocrisy from the guy who believes in both God, reincarnation, which by definition includes the celestial and astral realms, but feels compelled to both insult others and kowtow to those on the forum who he considers part of his elite, cool, club. > So, Barry believes in the Tibetan "bardo", the Hindu "karma", and the Buddhist "reincarnation", and probably the Rosicrucian "cosmo-conception." Go figure. "Hypocrisy is the claim or pretense of holding beliefs, feelings, standards, qualities, opinions, behaviors, virtues, motivations, or other characteristics that one does not in actual fact hold. It is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy >Just to add: He is even hypocritical with himself. Tough spot to be in. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Exactly. Both of which (fairies and pixies) the two people claiming to be knowledgeable about the asstral (sic) and the celestial probably believe in.
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On 10/1/2014 7:03 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Just more hypocrisy from the guy who believes in both God, reincarnation, which by definition includes the celestial and astral realms, but feels compelled to both insult others and kowtow to those on the forum who he considers part of his elite, cool, club. > /So, Barry believes in the Tibetan "bardo", the Hindu "karma", and the Buddhist "reincarnation", and probably the Rosicrucian "cosmo-conception."Go figure./ /"Hypocrisy is the claim or pretense of holding beliefs, feelings, standards, qualities, opinions, behaviors, virtues, motivations, or other characteristics that one does not in actual fact hold. It is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another."// // //http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy/ > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Exactly. Both of which (fairies and pixies) the two people claiming to be knowledgeable about the asstral (sic) and the celestial probably believe in.
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On 10/1/2014 6:53 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What about the leprechauns? > /Get some smarts. A leprechaun is a type of fairy - an old man in a green coat who enjoys mischief, just like you - old and green with envy. > / I think the difference is the same as that between fairies and pixies...
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Just more hypocrisy from the guy who believes in both God, reincarnation, which by definition includes the celestial and astral realms, but feels compelled to both insult others and kowtow to those on the forum who he considers part of his elite, cool, club. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Exactly. Both of which (fairies and pixies) the two people claiming to be knowledgeable about the asstral (sic) and the celestial probably believe in. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial I think the difference is the same as that between fairies and pixies... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So, Share how do you determine whether the astral and the celestial actually exist, and then, if they do, how do you determine their vibrational spectrum? How do you determine they have a vibrational spectrum; what is that anyway? —An ignorant bystander. Now there are some who think there is an asstral and a celestial. The uptight ones (the moralists) think they are poles apart, while the others think they go together quite nicely. From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the "same vibrational spectrum." On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, "traveling" outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: He is a "Channel", Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your
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What about the leprechauns? From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 3:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial I think the difference is the same as that between fairies and pixies... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So, Share how do you determine whether the astral and the celestial actually exist, and then, if they do, how do you determine their vibrational spectrum? How do you determine they have a vibrational spectrum; what is that anyway? —An ignorant bystander. Now there are some who think there is an asstral and a celestial. The uptight ones (the moralists) think they are poles apart, while the others think they go together quite nicely. From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the "same vibrational spectrum." On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, "traveling" outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: He is a "Channel", Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. N
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salyavin, I hear that everyone in Ireland believes in such. And I'm 50% Irish. Must be in my genes (-: On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 2:45 AM, "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Exactly. Both of which (fairies and pixies) the two people claiming to be knowledgeable about the asstral (sic) and the celestial probably believe in. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial I think the difference is the same as that between fairies and pixies... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So, Share how do you determine whether the astral and the celestial actually exist, and then, if they do, how do you determine their vibrational spectrum? How do you determine they have a vibrational spectrum; what is that anyway? —An ignorant bystander. Now there are some who think there is an asstral and a celestial. The uptight ones (the moralists) think they are poles apart, while the others think they go together quite nicely. From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the "same vibrational spectrum." On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, "traveling" outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: He is a "Channel", Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps th
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Exactly. Both of which (fairies and pixies) the two people claiming to be knowledgeable about the asstral (sic) and the celestial probably believe in. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial I think the difference is the same as that between fairies and pixies... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So, Share how do you determine whether the astral and the celestial actually exist, and then, if they do, how do you determine their vibrational spectrum? How do you determine they have a vibrational spectrum; what is that anyway? —An ignorant bystander. Now there are some who think there is an asstral and a celestial. The uptight ones (the moralists) think they are poles apart, while the others think they go together quite nicely. From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the "same vibrational spectrum." On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, "traveling" outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: He is a "Channel", Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experien
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I think the difference is the same as that between fairies and pixies... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So, Share how do you determine whether the astral and the celestial actually exist, and then, if they do, how do you determine their vibrational spectrum? How do you determine they have a vibrational spectrum; what is that anyway? —An ignorant bystander. Now there are some who think there is an asstral and a celestial. The uptight ones (the moralists) think they are poles apart, while the others think they go together quite nicely. From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the "same vibrational spectrum." On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, "traveling" outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: He is a "Channel", Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial
So, Share how do you determine whether the astral and the celestial actually exist, and then, if they do, how do you determine their vibrational spectrum? How do you determine they have a vibrational spectrum; what is that anyway? —An ignorant bystander. Now there are some who think there is an asstral and a celestial. The uptight ones (the moralists) think they are poles apart, while the others think they go together quite nicely. From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the "same vibrational spectrum." On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, "traveling" outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: He is a "Channel", Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so. Complete transparency would not work, any more than it would for General Motors. I am not advocating complete secrecy, either, but a middle ground is there, somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote
