[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:08 AM, authfriendjst...@... wrote: The Wikileaks file contains notes of meetings from October 2005 through May 2007 and is well over 6 MB. That's a lot of Raja Rogers's material this low-ranking person had access to. I think there's nothing left for me to vomit. Yeah is kind of sickening but then not at all surprising. The pdf with the loan application supporting info is archival. The certifiying little accounting firm from Iowa never knew what rolled over them in their audit. In the application is an area of vision statement about the TMmovement then. Mission and vision rolled together from then while Maharishi was still alive. Of course, missing was the ongoing and active objective of operationally gathering and moving capital from the West to the East via supporting non-profit shells. That omission aside, whata i find interesting is the high minded thinking of the goals concisely recorded there. Part of the long continuum from the 1960's, starting of MIU in 1970's, projects of 1980's, and 'businesses' of the 1990's, the liquidations of the 2000's, and the death. Early MIU and ongoing MUM bulletins/catalogs provide good sequencing too of this. http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation_Domain_of_Atlanta_Directors_\ Meeting_Notes,_2005-2007 That they do have working meetings and notes are kept as minutes is encouraging. Minutes and transparency always work wonders in groups in helping people honestly be better. Helps everyone be seen for what they are and what they are doing. Hopefully they continue to open up and become even more forthright. May be even voluntarily publish current financial statements openly. The goals as they are written in that loan application have Maharishi's writing and editing all over them from back then in 2001. Talking now about 'cognitive dissonance' 'tWould be highly interesting to see how the major domos now would write them as Maharishi has been dead 18months. what kind of financial statement they would supply. JGD, -Doug in FF I downloaded some of the TMO files at Wikileaks, read them and so many emotions, none of them positive, flowed through me. I heard the governors who've never had two nickels to rub together talk about monetizing, I read that not having resting rooms in the spas moved people through faster, how to take LMTs off the street, pay them less than USD 15/hr because they /want/ to be part of something new like Maharishi Ayurveda, and train them in all of about 2 hours. I read about buying the cheapest everything at WalMart for the spa treatment rooms. I saw the assumptions made about the peace palaces, how much money would flow through in each area /conservatively/. It all made me very ill. So, this is the TMO in its own writing. It's done for, as is last night's dinner and this morning's breakfast. Will Rogers never met you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.ride@ wrote: I downloaded some of the TMO files at Wikileaks, read them and so many emotions, none of them positive, flowed through me. I heard the governors who've never had two nickels to rub together talk about monetizing, I read that not having resting rooms in the spas moved people through faster, how to take LMTs off the street, pay them less than USD 15/hr because they /want/ to be part of something new like Maharishi Ayurveda, and train them in all of about 2 hours. I read about buying the cheapest everything at WalMart for the spa treatment rooms. I saw the assumptions made about the peace palaces, how much money would flow through in each area /conservatively/. It all made me very ill. So, this is the TMO in its own writing. It's done for, as is last night's dinner and this morning's breakfast. Will Rogers never met you. So you downloaded that stuff, did you. And what makes you think it is not a hoax ? You think one of the Rajas publizised it ? Congtatulations; you are a grand fool !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_re...@... wrote: snip AFIK they do it to be Vedic. We don't know for a fact that they actually do this, however. At this point, it's just a rumor. snip I'll hazard a guess that a true Vedic king would have distributed the leftovers to the poor, it's an essential part of showing off one's status and making sure the lower levels know that they're low life. Much like European medieval aristocrats would hand out the leftovers from their meals to the poor at the gates of their castles. So they're not being properly Vedic if they just throw the leftovers away. To be properly Vedic they'd need to distribute the leftovers to the poor starving masses at the gates of Vlodrop. But, umm, they're in 21st century Holland and there are no poor starving masses waiting at the gates for scraps from the king's table. Even if we knew for a fact that King Tony *does* have all these dishes prepared for him, could we be sure that the dishes he chooses not to eat are thrown away rather than being offered to the staff? I'd bet those dishes would be considered to have special holiness--or at least be more sumptuous-- because they were prepared for King Tony, and that staff members would be thrilled to consume them. I'd further bet it's seen to be a *privilege* to get one of those dishes, and that the folks at the top of the pecking order have first dibs on them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
One of my favorites: Discussion about difficulties getting people to learn: Charlotte is getting calls from ads. No one has started yet. Each intro seems to add to progress. Two reasons: practical and deeper. Practically, money is problem. A well-to-do family of 4 wanted to start. Something on the morning that was set for instruction made the wife say they couldn’t come – said it was the cost. Others interested but surprised when cost is not $50 like another thing down the street. Charlotte has a finance company that will process online application while CP is at intro and give response within 1/2 hour. Payments are $150-$250 per month for $2500. Raja Rogers commented that perhaps the men’s flying group will help. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Thu, 7/9/09, guyfawkes91 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: guyfawkes91 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 1:47 AM So is it really true that big king Tone has 20 dishes cooked for him every meal time? I had so hoped it wasn't not because I want to start acknowledging his rightful place as my main spiritual inspiration but that if there's one thing I really can't stand it's waste. AFIK they do it to be Vedic. The idea being that kings in India used to live like that, so to be Vedic, Tony has to be like that as well. The idea is dressed up in some garbage about maintaining Tony's sublime level of consciousness. The real purpose from Vedic times is simple gluttony and a display of power. They lived like that not because it was important to maintain the sublime level of consciousness of the king but because they could, anyone who complained would be executed and a display of wasteful extravagance lets the masses know who's in charge. I'll hazard a guess that a true Vedic king would have distributed the leftovers to the poor, it's an essential part of showing off one's status and making sure the lower levels know that they're low life. Much like European medieval aristocrats would hand out the leftovers from their meals to the poor at the gates of their castles. So they're not being properly Vedic if they just throw the leftovers away. To be properly Vedic they'd need to distribute the leftovers to the poor starving masses at the gates of Vlodrop. But, umm, they're in 21st century Holland and there are no poor starving masses waiting at the gates for scraps from the king's table. If they did start distributing leftovers from Tony's meals then people would quickly cotton on to why the course fees are so high and why every other letter or email from the TMO says give us your money, so they keep it secret. Which is odd because the real purpose is a public display of wasteful extravagance to show off how powerful you are. In the real world the kind of warped thinking that goes on at Vlodrop would earn you a straight jacket and a dose of thorazine. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the scenes in a Lesbian bar with Barry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: Sounds like a description of something, out of the 'Book of the Dead'... Caught in some kind of 'Bardo'... Where people drink alcohol, to 'Clear their head?'... Ok, beam me up Scotty... They truly seem to be stuck, down here, Captain. Kirk here, ok, got it. r.g. Robert, Let's just say the Lesbian Revenge joke is on Barry for lying about Fems and leave it at that. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Barry: I'm in a panic Fem: Have a drink, clear your head. Barry: Thanks. There are two women on FFLife driving me crazy. Butch: They must be Fems. Barry: I think they are demon possessed she devils. Fem: They must be Butches (Nearby, Lesbians chuckle at the Butch/Fem joke at Barry's expense. Obviously, they are not taking him seriously.) Barry: Nobody believes anything I say about Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton. Butch: I dig Sarah. Fem: I did Hillary. Barry: What's wrong with you? No one is supposed to dig them. Chorus of Lesbians: Says who? Barry: See what I mean? No one believes me. I need another drink. (Ten drinks later Barry passes out.) Butch: Do you think we ought to tell him? Fem: What? Butch: About the tattoo of Sarah's boobs on his ass. Fem: Nah. He'll find out about that next time he drops his pants cruising. Butch: He's waking up. Barry: Where am I? What's that flickering on my computer screen? Chorus of Lesbians: Thank you, Barry Wright for donating your pension fund to reduce Hillary Clinton's campaign debt. LOL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Walking my dogs, shortly after my last post here, I ran into a good friend here in Sitges. She's a lovely woman from the Netherlands whom I met at the airport waiting for the bus to Sitges, when she was first on her way here to move in with her girlfriend. We hit it off immediately, and have remained friends. So this evening, when I ran into her and her girl- friend out walking their dog, they invited me and my dogs to join them for a quick drink at the lesbian bar around the corner from my apartment. I did and, today's discussions on FFL still fresh in my mind, brought up for their perusal and comment the curious behavior of so-called feminists on FFL in the form of them being seemingly incapable of ever criticizing either Hillary Clinton or Sarah Palin. Their response, and the response of several lesbian friends of theirs sitting at the next table? Uncontrollable laughter at my naivete as a straight guy, followed by a two-word explanation: Butch/Fem. Biting down my straight-guy naivete because I knew I was among friends who were chiding me lightly, not out for blood, I inquired further. Fems are always terrified to criticize Butches, they explained. And it's the same in the straight world as it is in the gay world. Something in them that the lesbian Fems interpret as love and the straight or closeted Fems interpret as admiration causes them to suck up to Butches and defend them to the death. The bottom line is that Fems want desperately to be *admired* by the Butches. But they never will be. That is how Butches retain control over them. I thought it was a fascinating exchange, and pass it along in case anyone else here does, too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
On a similar note I remember a TM teacher explaining to me that the then national leader of Britain should be prime minister for no other reason than that Marshy had chosen him. The argument being that the person best suited to rule is the one with the most coherent brain waves and GC must have the most coherent brain waves because MMY wouldn't have chosen him otherwise!!! AS I say, I like to credit people with intelligence. Well there is some remnant of intelligence knocking about in their empty heads, they do at least realize that Tony's extravagances should be kept hidden from the people who they ask for money. Which makes the whole thing so excruciatingly nuts. The purpose of wasteful excesses at the dinning table in Vedic times was to demonstrate power and make sure people knew who was in charge. But they've managed to convince themselves that it was really about protecting the divine level of consciousness of the king. So instead of doing it right and having TN eat extravagant meals in public, like the French royalty used to, where every one had to watch and not eat until the king had finished, they hide it away and make it a secret. They tell themselves that the reason they have to hide it away is because of lack of coherence in collective consciousness, the people aren't ready yet. They genuinely do believe that there's going to be a phase transition and everyone will suddenly come to their senses and realize that democracy is stupid and we should go back to having medieval kings. They envisage themselves as a nobility who are the elite and live in Towers of Invicibility zapping people with their supreme coherence, while the lower orders will gratefully accept scraps from the tables of their masters. Yes they really are that stupid. But at least they don't put it on the introductory hand outs, so they do have some vague awareness that they're living on planet Earth in the 21st century.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the scenes in a Lesbian bar with Barry
Sounds like a description of something, out of the 'Book of the Dead'... Caught in some kind of 'Bardo'... Where people drink alcohol, to 'Clear their head?'... Ok, beam me up Scotty... They truly seem to be stuck, down here, Captain. Kirk here, ok, got it. r.g. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Barry: I'm in a panic Fem: Have a drink, clear your head. Barry: Thanks. There are two women on FFLife driving me crazy. Butch: They must be Fems. Barry: I think they are demon possessed she devils. Fem: They must be Butches (Nearby, Lesbians chuckle at the Butch/Fem joke at Barry's expense. Obviously, they are not taking him seriously.) Barry: Nobody believes anything I say about Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton. Butch: I dig Sarah. Fem: I did Hillary. Barry: What's wrong with you? No one is supposed to dig them. Chorus of Lesbians: Says who? Barry: See what I mean? No one believes me. I need another drink. (Ten drinks later Barry passes out.) Butch: Do you think we ought to tell him? Fem: What? Butch: About the tattoo of Sarah's boobs on his ass. Fem: Nah. He'll find out about that next time he drops his pants cruising. Butch: He's waking up. Barry: Where am I? What's that flickering on my computer screen? Chorus of Lesbians: Thank you, Barry Wright for donating your pension fund to reduce Hillary Clinton's campaign debt. LOL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Walking my dogs, shortly after my last post here, I ran into a good friend here in Sitges. She's a lovely woman from the Netherlands whom I met at the airport waiting for the bus to Sitges, when she was first on her way here to move in with her girlfriend. We hit it off immediately, and have remained friends. So this evening, when I ran into her and her girl- friend out walking their dog, they invited me and my dogs to join them for a quick drink at the lesbian bar around the corner from my apartment. I did and, today's discussions on FFL still fresh in my mind, brought up for their perusal and comment the curious behavior of so-called feminists on FFL in the form of them being seemingly incapable of ever criticizing either Hillary Clinton or Sarah Palin. Their response, and the response of several lesbian friends of theirs sitting at the next table? Uncontrollable laughter at my naivete as a straight guy, followed by a two-word explanation: Butch/Fem. Biting down my straight-guy naivete because I knew I was among friends who were chiding me lightly, not out for blood, I inquired further. Fems are always terrified to criticize Butches, they explained. And it's the same in the straight world as it is in the gay world. Something in them that the lesbian Fems interpret as love and the straight or closeted Fems interpret as admiration causes them to suck up to Butches and defend them to the death. The bottom line is that Fems want desperately to be *admired* by the Butches. But they never will be. That is how Butches retain control over them. I thought it was a fascinating exchange, and pass it along in case anyone else here does, too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_re...@... wrote: So is it really true that big king Tone has 20 dishes cooked for him every meal time? I had so hoped it wasn't not because I want to start acknowledging his rightful place as my main spiritual inspiration but that if there's one thing I really can't stand it's waste. AFIK they do it to be Vedic. The idea being that kings in India used to live like that, so to be Vedic, Tony has to be like that as well. The idea is dressed up in some garbage about maintaining Tony's sublime level of consciousness. The real purpose from Vedic times is simple gluttony and a display of power. They lived like that not because it was important to maintain the sublime level of consciousness of the king but because they could, anyone who complained would be executed and a display of wasteful extravagance lets the masses know who's in charge. I'll hazard a guess that a true Vedic king would have distributed the leftovers to the poor, it's an essential part of showing off one's status and making sure the lower levels know that they're low life. Much like European medieval aristocrats would hand out the leftovers from their meals to the poor at the gates of their castles. So they're not being properly Vedic if they just throw the leftovers away. To be properly Vedic they'd need to distribute the leftovers to the poor starving masses at the gates of Vlodrop. But, umm, they're in 21st century Holland and there are no poor starving masses waiting at the gates for scraps from the king's table. If they did start distributing leftovers from Tony's meals then people would quickly cotton on to why the course fees are so high and why every other letter or email from the TMO says give us your money, so they keep it secret. Which is odd because the real purpose is a public display of wasteful extravagance to show off how powerful you are. In the real world the kind of warped thinking that goes on at Vlodrop would earn you a straight jacket and a dose of thorazine. Maybe Bevan eats the leftovers, it would explain much. If this is true, and I don't mean to doubt your inside knowledge it's just that it's so *fucking* stupid and I do like to credit people with some intelligence. I know the crowns and everything else in the TMO from day one has been about abdication of individual thought and obeying a set of rules just because someone says so, but giving it up to the extent that you copy some stupid ancient edict just because it's there. I know it's all they've ever done and I could list the absurdities in the TMO til my fingers bleed but, if true, this one is the icing on the cake for me, it takes the biscuit. All twenty of them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
I do like to credit people with some intelligence. But TM increases your intelligence, so if you've been doing TM for years you must be more intelligent. If you're rich then it must be that you have a high level of consciousness and you can move the laws of nature. So if you've been doing TM for a long time and you're rich then you must be highly intelligent and in a higher state of consciousness. So you get to wear a crown and people bow and scrape before you. What's wrong with that argument? Lots of intelligent people in the movement think it's perfectly valid.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_re...@... wrote: I do like to credit people with some intelligence. But TM increases your intelligence, so if you've been doing TM for years you must be more intelligent. If you're rich then it must be that you have a high level of consciousness and you can move the laws of nature. So if you've been doing TM for a long time and you're rich then you must be highly intelligent and in a higher state of consciousness. So you get to wear a crown and people bow and scrape before you. What's wrong with that argument? Lots of intelligent people in the movement think it's perfectly valid. So, what you're sayin' is, that because it appeals to the people in the movement, who have bucks, and have been doing it a long time... That gives them the right, to make everyone else think, that they are a bit 'Looney'? r.g.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_re...@... wrote: I do like to credit people with some intelligence. OK, how about: They can't be that stupid, can they? But TM increases your intelligence, so if you've been doing TM for years you must be more intelligent. If you're rich then it must be that you have a high level of consciousness and you can move the laws of nature. So if you've been doing TM for a long time and you're rich then you must be highly intelligent and in a higher state of consciousness. So you get to wear a crown and people bow and scrape before you. What's wrong with that argument? Lots of intelligent people in the movement think it's perfectly valid. On a similar note I remember a TM teacher explaining to me that the then national leader of Britain should be prime minister for no other reason than that Marshy had chosen him. The argument being that the person best suited to rule is the one with the most coherent brain waves and GC must have the most coherent brain waves because MMY wouldn't have chosen him otherwise!!! AS I say, I like to credit people with intelligence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
The Indian Ashvamedha involves the following: the sacrifice is connected with the elevation or inauguration of a member of the warrior caste the ceremony took place in springtime the horse sacrificed was a grey or white stallion the stallion selected was one which excelled at the right side of the chariot it was bathed in water wherein a sacrificed dog had been deposited it was sacrificed alongside a hornless ram and a he-goat the queen underwent mock-coupling with the stallion the stallion was dissected and its portions awarded to various deities The Roman Equus October ceremony involves: the horse was dedicated to Mars the sacrifice took place in September to October, corresponding to the Indian month of the yoked horses (ashvayuja). the horse sacrificed was a stallion which excelled at the right side of the chariot the slaughtered stallion is dismembered and various parts (head and tail, and possibly the penis) are sent to different locations The Irish ceremony as recorded by Geraldus Cambrensis: the king likely (Geraldus is not explicit) couples with the mare to be sacrificed the horse is dismembered and cooked in a cauldron, and consumed by the king who is also sitting in the cauldron The Norse ceremony according to the description in Hervarar saga of the Swedish inauguration of Blot-Sweyn, the last or next to last pagan Germanic king, c. 1080: the horse is dismembered for eating the blood is sprinkled on the sacred tree at Uppsala. The Völsa þáttr also mentions religious veneration of the penis of a slaughtered stallion. --- On Wed, 7/8/09, guyfawkes91 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 10:47 PM AFIK they do it to be Vedic. The idea being that kings in India used to live like that, so to be Vedic, Tony has to be like that as well. The idea is dressed up in some garbage about maintaining Tony's sublime level of consciousness. The real purpose from Vedic times is simple gluttony and a display of power. They lived like that not because it was important to maintain the sublime level of consciousness of the king but because they could, anyone who complained would be executed and a display of wasteful extravagance lets the masses know who's in charge. I'll hazard a guess that a true Vedic king would have distributed the leftovers to the poor, it's an essential part of showing off one's status and making sure the lower levels know that they're low life. Much like European medieval aristocrats would hand out the leftovers from their meals to the poor at the gates of their castles. So they're not being properly Vedic if they just throw the leftovers away. To be properly Vedic they'd need to distribute the leftovers to the poor starving masses at the gates of Vlodrop. But, umm, they're in 21st century Holland and there are no poor starving masses waiting at the gates for scraps from the king's table. If they did start distributing leftovers from Tony's meals then people would quickly cotton on to why the course fees are so high and why every other letter or email from the TMO says give us your money, so they keep it secret. Which is odd because the real purpose is a public display of wasteful extravagance to show off how powerful you are. In the real world the kind of warped thinking that goes on at Vlodrop would earn you a straight jacket and a dose of thorazine.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
So should we be surprised when people who have been trained like this for decades begin to extend this sense of unreality to real events outside the TM movement? *Of course* they're going to be incapable of perceiving that they are accusing people who criticize their chosen heroes and heroines of the *exact* same things that their heroes and heroines do. They have been trained for decades to do just that. Doug wrote: Those last couple of paragraphs do seem to catch things do ring with some lot of truth in them... They sure do, Doug! Now it's all making sense: they were TRAINED to write this sort of stuff, for decades. Soon it will be four decades for the Turq. 'The Code Cult of the CPU Guru' By Zachary Margulis Wired, Rants Raves, Issue 2.04, 1993 How does Lenz do it? To be sure, the usual cult explanations apply: He attracts people when they feel weak and vulnerable, offering an apparently logical, value-laden system for living in a world that can be stupefying and cruel. He keeps his people in a constant state of confusion, either over computers, spiritual matters, or where they'll live in the next month. When necessary, he deceives recruits about his true philosophy, identity, and intentions. According to a book recently published by Mark Laxer, Lenz told him to repeat the mantra No! every time he began to question - whenever a negative thought entered his head...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_re...@... wrote: These last two points are quite funny. That's why I saved them for last. :-) * Used to have average of 20 people at lectures. The rate of people starting seem to be irrelevant to anything that was going on at the lecture. Never been our exp that it's a conventional sales closing situation. The people most likely to start are those who were referred by a meditator. The other factors are intangible factors. The affluent people at lectures thank us heartily and then we don't see them. The one who starts is one who is more modest in their means, who scrapes it together. * Found old notes from Maharishi from when the course fee was first increased the wealthy people don't go to the poor store. They like designer everything. They like to hear a high price. We are not trying to target the masses so we don't have to feel guilty about losing people by initially mentioning the course fee. They're funny because we've got a group of people who are desperately trying to deal with the cognitive dissonance that arises when Maharishi would tell people X is true and yet reality keeps telling them X is false. The fascinating thing is that it's not just Maharishi that the TM TBs on this forum demonstrate cognitive dissonance over. Just a few minutes ago we saw someone who has heavily invested in believing and defending (of all people) Sarah Palin who, trying to disprove a quote posted by do.rflex that she had been found guilty of violating the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act did so by calling it old news and posting *another* article that said...duh...that Sarah Palin had been found guilty of violating the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Now *that* is cognitive dissonance. :-) I think that this phenomenon of denying the obvious in an attempt to remain true to someone they have invested in tends to be most apparent when dealing with Maharishi himself, but after all these decades of ignoring the cognitive dissonance that his words and actions has inspired, they have extended this same tendency to all other areas of their lives. Thus they can completely *ignore* the lies and media bashing that, say, Sarah Palin has engaged in while pointing over and over and over to media bashing against her. I think it comes down to a form of brainwashing in which Westerners who had no earthly idea what proper spir- itual behavior is considered to be in the East were taught *false* proper behavior by Maharishi. No real spiritual tradition would ever teach that the teacher is correct, *no matter what*, but he did. No real spir- itual tradition would ask its followers to knowingly lie and commit illegal acts like money laundering, but he did. No real spiritual tradition would claim over and over to the media that it was not religious while engaging in preparations for the next day's Gurupurnima Celebration or yagya in which offerings were made to any number of Hindu gods and goddesses. But he did. Maharishi *specialized* in creating an atmosphere of coginitive dissonance. And then he turned that into an environment in which you were not welcome if the cog- nitive dissonance bothered you. If catching Maharishi in a lie bothered you, you were history...tossed out of the movement, anathema, never to be spoken to or of again. The lesson (and the precedent) was clear. So should we be surprised when people who have been trained like this for decades begin to extend this sense of unreality to real events outside the TM movement? *Of course* they're going to be incapable of perceiving that they are accusing people who criticize their chosen heroes and heroines of the *exact* same things that their heroes and heroines do. They have been trained for decades to do just that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip So should we be surprised when people who have been trained like this for decades begin to extend this sense of unreality to real events outside the TM movement? *Of course* they're going to be incapable of perceiving that they are accusing people who criticize their chosen heroes and heroines of the *exact* same things that their heroes and heroines do. They have been trained for decades to do just that. This is, of course, total, unmitigated bullshit. What Barry describes is what *people* do--everybody-- especially including Barry, the undisputed Master of Projection on this forum. Nobody here is claiming Sarah Palin is correct, no matter what, or that she hasn't told lies or bashed the media or done stupid things. Barry *hallucinated* all that. What Raunchy and I are doing is pointing out that it's *not all on Palin's side*. To deny this, as Barry appears to do, is a function of cognitive dissonance on *his* part. We've both said *repeatedly* that there's more than enough to criticize about Palin; there's no need to make anything up, as the media, blogs, and many FFL participants have been doing. Barry's own personal brand of cognitive dissonance simply can't encompass the possibility that anybody could defend someone about whom they are themselves highly critical from falsehoods and *unfair* criticism. As far as Barry's concerned, it's all or nothing. You're either for 'em or agin 'em (shades of GWB), and if you're agin 'em, anything goes: you can make up all the false stories you want, and *it's all good*--you're blameless.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_reply@ wrote: These last two points are quite funny. That's why I saved them for last. :-) Of course the other funny thing is that this list of notes has got into the public domain. I imagine that some low ranking person has been pissed off by someone's arrogant behavior (again, it's so predictable isn't it) and decided to get their own back, either that or seeing what goes on behind the scenes has made them feel betrayed. It's much the same at Vlodrop, they treat people like shit and then wonder why the kitchen staff are so disloyal that they tell others about Tony Nader's extravagant dining arrangements. They just cannot get it into their heads that you can't expect loyalty from people if you're trampling on them all the time. They're still thinking that putting a crown on means everyone will bow down to them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_reply@ wrote: These last two points are quite funny. That's why I saved them for last. :-) Of course the other funny thing is that this list of notes has got into the public domain. I imagine that some low ranking person has been pissed off by someone's arrogant behavior Was wondering about this myself. The Wikileaks file contains notes of meetings from October 2005 through May 2007 and is well over 6 MB. That's a lot of Raja Rogers's material this low-ranking person had access to.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_reply@ wrote: These last two points are quite funny. That's why I saved them for last. :-) Of course the other funny thing is that this list of notes has got into the public domain. The *safe* public domain, on Wikileaks, which has a legal staff that won't bow to pressure from the TMO scumbag lawyers to remove it. This is particularly important right now, because they have been ramping up their harassment of any groups or websites or...interestingly...even *individuals* who dare to post material critical of the TMO. Several people (besides Alex) have recently been threatened by TMO lawyers unless they removed offending material from their web servers, even if those servers were private and only shared with friends. It's the same scumbag mentality that (surprise!) a number of TM TBs are defending on this forum in Sarah Palin. I imagine that some low ranking person has been pissed off by someone's arrogant behavior (again, it's so predictable isn't it) and decided to get their own back, either that or seeing what goes on behind the scenes has made them feel betrayed. Either that or someone at a higher level has had a belated attack of conscience. There is nothing like hitting the wall and no longer giving a shit whether you're in good standing with an organization you've lost all respect for to fuel the whistleblower syndrome. I expect to see more and more of them appear as these legal threats are made more public. It's much the same at Vlodrop, they treat people like shit and then wonder why the kitchen staff are so disloyal that they tell others about Tony Nader's extravagant dining arrangements. Did you notice how the TM TBs on this forum found a way to make excuses even for *that*? They are so pussywhipped by the movement that even with Maharishi dead they're terrified to criticize his nominal replacement. They just cannot get it into their heads that you can't expect loyalty from people if you're trampling on them all the time. But Maharishi did. Go figure. Maybe that's what worked on HIM. Maybe he had a masochistic streak a mile long and *got off* on being treated like a worthless low-caste upstart in Guru Dev's ashram, and figured that since he got off on being treated that way, every- one else would, too. Who knows? They're still thinking that putting a crown on means everyone will bow down to them. Actually, that is *exactly* what they are thinking. And it's because *they* bowed to Maharishi for so long. Take everything someone says as the literal, cosmic truth and eat shit for decades, and when it becomes your turn you expect others to do the same for you.
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On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:08 AM, authfriendjst...@panix.com wrote: The Wikileaks file contains notes of meetings from October 2005 through May 2007 and is well over 6 MB. That's a lot of Raja Rogers's material this low-ranking person had access to. I think there's nothing left for me to vomit. I downloaded some of the TMO files at Wikileaks, read them and so many emotions, none of them positive, flowed through me. I heard the governors who've never had two nickels to rub together talk about monetizing, I read that not having resting rooms in the spas moved people through faster, how to take LMTs off the street, pay them less than USD 15/hr because they /want/ to be part of something new like Maharishi Ayurveda, and train them in all of about 2 hours. I read about buying the cheapest everything at WalMart for the spa treatment rooms. I saw the assumptions made about the peace palaces, how much money would flow through in each area /conservatively/. It all made me very ill. So, this is the TMO in its own writing. It's done for, as is last night's dinner and this morning's breakfast. Will Rogers never met you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_reply@ wrote: These last two points are quite funny. That's why I saved them for last. :-) Of course the other funny thing is that this list of notes has got into the public domain. I imagine that some low ranking person has been pissed off by someone's arrogant behavior (again, it's so predictable isn't it) and decided to get their own back, either that or seeing what goes on behind the scenes has made them feel betrayed. It's much the same at Vlodrop, they treat people like shit and then wonder why the kitchen staff are so disloyal that they tell others about Tony Nader's extravagant dining arrangements. So is it really true that big king Tone has 20 dishes cooked for him every meal time? I had so hoped it wasn't not because I want to start acknowledging his rightful place as my main spiritual inspiration but that if there's one thing I really can't stand it's waste. If it is true it's a good reason never to give money to this bunch. Apart from all the other good reasons I mean. They just cannot get it into their heads that you can't expect loyalty from people if you're trampling on them all the time. They're still thinking that putting a crown on means everyone will bow down to them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
On Jul 8, 2009, at 11:11 AM, It's just a ride wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:08 AM, authfriendjst...@panix.com wrote: The Wikileaks file contains notes of meetings from October 2005 through May 2007 and is well over 6 MB. That's a lot of Raja Rogers's material this low-ranking person had access to. I think there's nothing left for me to vomit. I downloaded some of the TMO files at Wikileaks, read them and so many emotions, none of them positive, flowed through me. I heard the governors who've never had two nickels to rub together talk about monetizing, I read that not having resting rooms in the spas moved people through faster, how to take LMTs off the street, pay them less than USD 15/hr because they /want/ to be part of something new like Maharishi Ayurveda, and train them in all of about 2 hours. I read about buying the cheapest everything at WalMart for the spa treatment rooms. I saw the assumptions made about the peace palaces, how much money would flow through in each area /conservatively/. It all made me very ill. So, this is the TMO in its own writing. It's done for, as is last night's dinner and this morning's breakfast. I haven't had the chance to thoroughly peruse this stuff, so there may be hidden gems I like even more, but this one is classic: WAGES*We want to hire our technicians full time for 30 hours a week @ $15/hr or less. Do not feel that you need to offer the “going rate”Most LMTs are so enthusiastic about being involved with such profound knowledge that they are willing to take less than what other “beauty-salon” spas are offering them. Remember that beauty-salon spas make up the majority of job opportunities available to LMTs. The LMTs are thrilled to be involved with us and appreciate our need to reduce our expenses in our start up phase. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The *safe* public domain, on Wikileaks, which has a legal staff that won't bow to pressure from the TMO scumbag lawyers to remove it. This is particularly important right now, because they have been ramping up their harassment of any groups or websites or...interestingly...even *individuals* who dare to post material critical of the TMO. Several people (besides Alex) have recently been threatened by TMO lawyers unless they removed offending material from their web servers, even if those servers were private and only shared with friends. Well at least we have reasonable evidence that it's (a) part of a plan and (b) has Bevan's finger prints all over it. Do we have more details of this ramping up? I know nosedef had his important documentary removed from YouTube, and what's his name abandoned the web seminar he was going to have at the time of the McCartney concert, anything else? There was a funny vid on YouTube made by some students at a Canadian college which had TM and TM-Sidhis introduced, but I can't find it now. That can't have been removed from YouTube for copyright reasons because they'd made it themselves. Anyway here's a quote from Joseph Goebbels;- If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. A familiar point of view for anyone who's had any contact with the TMO. Incidentally, talking of Joseph Goebbels, what was Bevan doing in India recently? He's not the sort of person to take a break, he's a hatchet man so there must have been some serious hatcheting to be done for him to have spent so long there. My guess is that he had to go there for the court case trying to get some money back from Maharishi's family.
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authfriend wrote: As far as Barry's concerned, it's all or nothing. You're either for 'em or agin 'em (shades of GWB), and if you're agin 'em, anything goes: you can make up all the false stories you want, and *it's all good*--you're blameless... In calling Alaska's governor Caribou Barbie, Miss Dowd used beauty as a weapon to diminish Mrs. Palin's achievements. A man would be reprimanded for this, but Miss Dowd is a Pulitzer Prize-winning pad thrower and is licensed for such vindictive pettiness. 'Caribou,' of course, is a stab at Mrs. Palin's backwater, Red State ways, attacks on which an Upper Westside liberal snob can never get enough. Miss Dowd goes on to ridicule Sarah's country-music melodramas. This is her barely veiled attempt to call Mrs. Palin 'white trash.' And this has been the loathsome subtext of all media criticism of the Palins. They even went after their children... Read more: 'New York Times Barbie strikes again' By Andrew Breitbart Washington Times, July 6, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/kmtto5 http://tinyurl.com/kmtto5
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On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Sal Sunshinesalsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: I haven't had the chance to thoroughly peruse this stuff, so there may be hidden gems I like even more, but this one is classic: WAGES * We want to hire our technicians full time for 30 hours a week @ $15/hr or less. Do not feel that you need to offer the “going rate” Most LMTs are so enthusiastic about being involved with such profound knowledge that they are willing to take less than what other “beauty-salon” spas are offering them. Remember that beauty-salon spas make up the majority of job opportunities available to LMTs. The LMTs are thrilled to be involved with us and appreciate our need to reduce our expenses in our start up phase. Sal Read Business_plan.pdf in the Peace Palace 2005.zip download. Read the lines, around the lines, between the lines. $480,000 a year will come in from teaching TM. But there's no expenses to teachers or the TMO. So does that mean that for $4,000 a month the two directors will teach TM? Who teaches the one advanced technique per month? How many people here have signed up for a Brain Integration Course at $50? Almost everybody? I don't see a checking charge. In the Eurozone checking costs Euro 20+ per session. Free in the US? One person will spring for yagnas a month, bringing in $240,000 a year. How will they manage this? BBQ pit in the back yard? Where are the pundits listed? Will Rogers never met you. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
Goebbels; the real Guru of the Buddhists Vaj and the Turkey: If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
On Jul 8, 2009, at 4:13 PM, It's just a ride wrote: Read Business_plan.pdf in the Peace Palace 2005.zip download. Read the lines, around the lines, between the lines. Wasn't able to find that, but here's another little bag of gems--in addition to being almost functionally illiterate, the genius who wrote these doesn't even try to make sense: 1. Personal Practice of TM and TM-Sidhi Program Guiding Principles: o We are successful only on ground of purity and simplicity—never do anything behind curtain in terms of wealth or behavior—never do it or else you will scrap your life—this is main feature of course! o Don’t waste time on gossip as life is precious o Get graha shanti done—even small get done o Never go to untruths otherwise life not neat and clean o Don’t stop for anything—where there is a will there is a way (for spreading this precious knowledge) o Recertified Governors are only hope of the world and you are very few and must know what you are—you possess Total Knowledge and you go to bank to fulfill your desire o We never, never ask obligation from anyone—we only go to bless them o Do not schedule any appointments for the first 1/2 hour after your morning program. o Have as many assistants as needed and don’t worry about $$--the more you invest you will gain o We have a parental role for the public. We are not in a position to have a negative feeling for anyone. That we always remember. o Individually you don’t strain the mind – have a very uplifting mode. We want to build Peace Palaces, but never strain the mind. Main thing is morning and evening meditation. We are 24 hour employment. Whenever there is more work, engage more help. I think we should post as many of these as possible... and then wait until they get around to suing Rick! :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
Nice original read Turq. Encompassing critique. Those last couple of paragraphs do seem to catch things do ring with some lot of truth in them. Seems is a good way of thinking about it all, that `cognitive dissonance'. I suspect outsiders looking in could get a grip on the situation said the way you have it here. Of course TM insiders have yet to say, `we are not that' nor acknowledge that they might be something else now Maharishi is gone. But, more of the same? 29K people in America learned the TM-siddhis? wait to see which way the TMmovement sails on. Dome numbers? http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html JGD, -D in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_reply@ wrote: These last two points are quite funny. That's why I saved them for last. :-) * Used to have average of 20 people at lectures. The rate of people starting seem to be irrelevant to anything that was going on at the lecture. Never been our exp that it's a conventional sales closing situation. The people most likely to start are those who were referred by a meditator. The other factors are intangible factors. The affluent people at lectures thank us heartily and then we don't see them. The one who starts is one who is more modest in their means, who scrapes it together. * Found old notes from Maharishi from when the course fee was first increased the wealthy people don't go to the poor store. They like designer everything. They like to hear a high price. We are not trying to target the masses so we don't have to feel guilty about losing people by initially mentioning the course fee. They're funny because we've got a group of people who are desperately trying to deal with the cognitive dissonance that arises when Maharishi would tell people X is true and yet reality keeps telling them X is false. The fascinating thing is that it's not just Maharishi that the TM TBs on this forum demonstrate cognitive dissonance over. Just a few minutes ago we saw someone who has heavily invested in believing and defending (of all people) Sarah Palin who, trying to disprove a quote posted by do.rflex that she had been found guilty of violating the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act did so by calling it old news and posting *another* article that said...duh...that Sarah Palin had been found guilty of violating the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Now *that* is cognitive dissonance. :-) I think that this phenomenon of denying the obvious in an attempt to remain true to someone they have invested in tends to be most apparent when dealing with Maharishi himself, but after all these decades of ignoring the cognitive dissonance that his words and actions has inspired, they have extended this same tendency to all other areas of their lives. Thus they can completely *ignore* the lies and media bashing that, say, Sarah Palin has engaged in while pointing over and over and over to media bashing against her. I think it comes down to a form of brainwashing in which Westerners who had no earthly idea what proper spir- itual behavior is considered to be in the East were taught *false* proper behavior by Maharishi. No real spiritual tradition would ever teach that the teacher is correct, *no matter what*, but he did. No real spir- itual tradition would ask its followers to knowingly lie and commit illegal acts like money laundering, but he did. No real spiritual tradition would claim over and over to the media that it was not religious while engaging in preparations for the next day's Gurupurnima Celebration or yagya in which offerings were made to any number of Hindu gods and goddesses. But he did. Maharishi *specialized* in creating an atmosphere of coginitive dissonance. And then he turned that into an environment in which you were not welcome if the cog- nitive dissonance bothered you. If catching Maharishi in a lie bothered you, you were history...tossed out of the movement, anathema, never to be spoken to or of again. The lesson (and the precedent) was clear. So should we be surprised when people who have been trained like this for decades begin to extend this sense of unreality to real events outside the TM movement? *Of course* they're going to be incapable of perceiving that they are accusing people who criticize their chosen heroes and heroines of the *exact* same things that their heroes and heroines do. They have been trained for decades to do just that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
So is it really true that big king Tone has 20 dishes cooked for him every meal time? I had so hoped it wasn't not because I want to start acknowledging his rightful place as my main spiritual inspiration but that if there's one thing I really can't stand it's waste. AFIK they do it to be Vedic. The idea being that kings in India used to live like that, so to be Vedic, Tony has to be like that as well. The idea is dressed up in some garbage about maintaining Tony's sublime level of consciousness. The real purpose from Vedic times is simple gluttony and a display of power. They lived like that not because it was important to maintain the sublime level of consciousness of the king but because they could, anyone who complained would be executed and a display of wasteful extravagance lets the masses know who's in charge. I'll hazard a guess that a true Vedic king would have distributed the leftovers to the poor, it's an essential part of showing off one's status and making sure the lower levels know that they're low life. Much like European medieval aristocrats would hand out the leftovers from their meals to the poor at the gates of their castles. So they're not being properly Vedic if they just throw the leftovers away. To be properly Vedic they'd need to distribute the leftovers to the poor starving masses at the gates of Vlodrop. But, umm, they're in 21st century Holland and there are no poor starving masses waiting at the gates for scraps from the king's table. If they did start distributing leftovers from Tony's meals then people would quickly cotton on to why the course fees are so high and why every other letter or email from the TMO says give us your money, so they keep it secret. Which is odd because the real purpose is a public display of wasteful extravagance to show off how powerful you are. In the real world the kind of warped thinking that goes on at Vlodrop would earn you a straight jacket and a dose of thorazine.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_re...@... wrote: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation_Domain_of_Atlanta_Di\ rectors_Meeting_Notes,_2005-2007 http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation_Domain_of_Atlanta_D\ irectors_Meeting_Notes,_2005-2007 Since none of the TM TBs will read this, fearful that the meeting notes from private TM meetings might reveal inside information that could reveal that the TM organization is a hotbead of super- stitious, money-grubbing bastards, I break out a few of items below to point out that the TMO is still the same pragmatic, based-totally- on-science-and-caring-for-the-welfare-of-the-masses institution it always was: * Rastra Geet [the national anthem of India] is the National Anthem of the GCWP. * Discussion of the difficulty of getting people to start the TM program because of the cost, countered by saying, TM program is like a really good laptop connected to the cosmic computer for spontaneous right action. * Report that Maharishi did a yagya (Hindu religious ceremony) to awaken all the devatas (deities or spirits). He then said all the devatas came to him and asked what they should do. [Reported by one of the Rajas] * Maharishi Sthapatya Veda (Vedic architecture); mention that they would like 20% of the cost of houses built under their direction to go to them. * Reference to segregation of the sexes during TM refresher course. Men and women are to sit on opposite sides of the room. * Question as to whether a woman may be allowed to give the TM introductory lecture to a group of men by herself. * Discussion of the upcoming David Lynch Weekend at MUM and webcast to other locations. David is to students as catnip is to a cat. * Raja Rogers will find out if ladies can check (the meditation of) men if no re-certified Governors are available. * Mention of fundraising from Heifer International; it's not clear what exactly is meant by this reference. [Clearly they were concerned about taking money from cows. :-)] * Cryptic comment [from Raja Rogers]: But now, put the majority of time on Vishnu. * Report that Rajas spent days attempting to locate hotels with proper vastu in which to stay when traveling and looking for land to buy. Hotel should be NSEW on the grid. If door is east, but a few degrees to North, ok. Or if north, a few degrees to the east is okay. If the hotel has a west main entrance, you enter always from the east. We don't mind what other people are doing, we always use the east entrance. * Can't ask for an unsecured loan from meditators for the tour. With millions having been lost... * Revenue, revenue, revenue. * Reference to negative websites and their desire to eliminate them. :We want a bigger presence on the web and not have the negative sites. Dr. Feldman and Dr. Morris are all working on this. Several schools have been lost by people going to negative websites. If this ever comes up, we just say, 'Look at the scientific evidence.' * Candid comment regarding the ADHD and TM study the organization has attempted to promote via the press: Sarina's research study only had 10 subjects, yet garnered lots of press. * We're working on getting support for our Internet marketing from the David Lynch Foundation. Making a strategy to get rid of the negative sites on the Internet. * When it comes to diagnosing, vaidya can just suggest changes in lifestyle to help their digestion or whatever they have. Vaidya can have the MAPI catalog there and can point to something for a condition that they told us they had. Disclaimer on bottles protects us. If Vaidya thinks something stronger is needed, then they can say there's this other herb combo called MA., and you can choose. If vaidya gives them the choice, he is not really prescribing. That's the way we have had to handle it when there is not a doctor there. * When you are dealing with someone, you give as little info as possible. You don't want to open new doors for people to ask questions. Just answer the question they have asked. * Discussion of the National Call Center and the marketing of TM. In business, it's not normally a good idea to allow a potential customer to put the cost of the product up front in the sales process as an objection. You don't want to put up money as an obstacle to learning TM. Good to get them into the setting of meeting with a Governor. * Used to have average of 20 people at lectures. The rate of people starting seem to be irrelevant to anything that was going on at the lecture. Never been our exp that it's a conventional sales closing situation. The people most likely to start are those who were referred by a meditator. The other factors are intangible factors. The affluent people at lectures thank us heartily and then we don't see them. The one who starts is one who is more modest in their means, who scrapes it together.
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On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Reference to negative websites and their desire to eliminate them. :We want a bigger presence on the web and not have the negative sites. Dr. Feldman and Dr. Morris are all working on this. Several schools have been lost by people going to negative websites. If this ever comes up, we just say, 'Look at the scientific evidence.' It sounds like there's a need for a website listing the independent evidence on TM and TM research.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Reference to negative websites and their desire to eliminate them. :We want a bigger presence on the web and not have the negative sites. Dr. Feldman and Dr. Morris are all working on this. Several schools have been lost by people going to negative websites. If this ever comes up, we just say, 'Look at the scientific evidence.' It sounds like there's a need for a website listing the independent evidence on TM and TM research. Why bother, you have one right here.
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On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:07 AM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Reference to negative websites and their desire to eliminate them. :We want a bigger presence on the web and not have the negative sites. Dr. Feldman and Dr. Morris are all working on this. Several schools have been lost by people going to negative websites. If this ever comes up, we just say, 'Look at the scientific evidence.' It sounds like there's a need for a website listing the independent evidence on TM and TM research. Why bother, you have one right here. It would be a better idea to have a systematic presentation of the research across time, present what the state of the art is and compare and contrast in a much more detailed manner. It would also make it potentially easier for people being sold 'on the research' to have an authoritative and easily accessible resource. It's unlikely people looking for quick answers are going to drill down though an email lists archives to do so, so you provide it so they don't have to.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Reference to negative websites and their desire to eliminate them. :We want a bigger presence on the web and not have the negative sites. Dr. Feldman and Dr. Morris are all working on this. Several schools have been lost by people going to negative websites. If this ever comes up, we just say, 'Look at the scientific evidence.' It sounds like there's a need for a website listing the independent evidence on TM and TM research. Isn't it fascinating that the Threaten to sue them until they shut up tactic supported and lauded by several TM TBs recently when attempted by Sarah Palin is also the official policy of the TMO? In these meeting minutes we have on-the-record discussions among TMO bigwigs expressing their feelings about negative websites and their desire to eliminate them dating back to 2006: We want a bigger presence on the web and not have the negative sites. Dr. Feldman and Dr. Morris are all working on this. Another refer- ence was made to Bill Goldstein, who was named as the TM movement attorney. Now, in 2009, we see that same Bill Goldstein behind the threatening letter to TM-Free that caused them to cancel their planned Webinar. Isn't it interesting that in that letter he was *not* identified as the TM movement's attorney, but instead affiliated with David Lynch's organization. Several other websites have reported recent harassment from TMO lawyers. I think that the case can be made for these actions being classic SLAPP suits, especially because the *planning* for such suits can now be proved to have been being discussed by TMO officials since at least 2009. Fascinating too how those whose records and qualifications cannot stand on their own always seem to resort to threatening lawyers whenever someone questions those records and qualifica- tions. Were she not so Christian, Sarah Palin would fit right in in the TMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:07 AM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Reference to negative websites and their desire to eliminate them. :We want a bigger presence on the web and not have the negative sites. Dr. Feldman and Dr. Morris are all working on this. Several schools have been lost by people going to negative websites. If this ever comes up, we just say, 'Look at the scientific evidence.' It sounds like there's a need for a website listing the independent evidence on TM and TM research. Why bother, you have one right here. It would be a better idea to have a systematic presentation of the research across time, present what the state of the art is and compare and contrast in a much more detailed manner. It would also make it potentially easier for people being sold 'on the research' to have an authoritative and easily accessible resource. It's unlikely people looking for quick answers are going to drill down though an email lists archives to do so, so you provide it so they don't have to. Go for it. Why don't you put up such an authoritative site? All you have to do is transfer your posts from here to there. What's stopping you? You could get a cult following and be as popular as http://www.rense.com/ who feeds on the paranoia people with bogeymen.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Behind the Scenes
These last two points are quite funny. * Used to have average of 20 people at lectures. The rate of people starting seem to be irrelevant to anything that was going on at the lecture. Never been our exp that it's a conventional sales closing situation. The people most likely to start are those who were referred by a meditator. The other factors are intangible factors. The affluent people at lectures thank us heartily and then we don't see them. The one who starts is one who is more modest in their means, who scrapes it together. * Found old notes from Maharishi from when the course fee was first increased the wealthy people don't go to the poor store. They like designer everything. They like to hear a high price. We are not trying to target the masses so we don't have to feel guilty about losing people by initially mentioning the course fee. They're funny because we've got a group of people who are desperately trying to deal with the cognitive dissonance that arises when Maharishi would tell people X is true and yet reality keeps telling them X is false. In this case Maharishi is telling them that the course fees should be high so as to teach more rich people, yet reality is telling them that fewer people are learning, and the rich just walk away anyhow. You can almost sense the fear in them to have to report that Maharishi's idea that raising the price will result in more rich people learning isn't working and that it's wrong. The really funny thing is that they know the idea is wrong and even years after Maharishi died they're still plugging along with unfeasible prices. Apparently Emanuel Schiffgens thinks the current prices should be raised to even more unfeasible levels. These people claim to be world rulers. What a joke.
