[FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" > wrote: > > > > Below is some letter that was written from a British grandfather to his > > children and grandchildren. Although it is about life in Britain, it hits > > home with what's going on right here in America too. > > > > Yep, there is such ignorance and squalor out there. But, yay more meditation > and better education. I'm all for civil unions but marriage should be > LICENSED and reserved for having children once applicant spouses have their > education complete, have self-sustaining jobs, have learned meditation and > have had their meditations checked. Well said Buck :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children
You have the ability to just DROP IT and not start it all up again. Watch me. I'm through with this. I have all the information I need and I've processed, unfortunately for some, all of it here. I finished last night. You do believe in "watching" don't you? From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 2:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: > > Barry, I don't post to "draw people in"; my posts are > primarily spontaneous replies, which is why I get embarrassed > about what I write sometimes - like most of today, for example. > Note that I've begun apologizing all over the place and > promising to back off. Without doing so. Clearly, your "promises" are as binding as Judy's and Robin's; that is, not at all. You have the ability to just DROP IT and not start it all up again. You don't do this. Neither does Share, and neither do Ann and Judy and Raunchy and Ravi and Robin. Why should anyone believe your "promises?"
[FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children
Buck: the Master Ironist. Maharishi is dead. Buck as Nietzsche. Makes Barry seem like Bevan. I can imagine the thrill from the inside. I paint by numbers compared to you, Buck. This is irony as FLOATING in the Dome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" > > wrote: > > > > > > Below is some letter that was written from a British grandfather to his > > > children and grandchildren. Although it is about life in Britain, it > > > hits home with what's going on right here in America too. > > > > > > > Yep, there is such ignorance and squalor out there. But, yay more > > meditation and better education. I'm all for civil unions but marriage > > should be LICENSED and reserved for having children once applicant spouses > > have their education complete, have self-sustaining jobs, have learned > > meditation and have had their meditations checked. 30 percent of kids now > > are born in to poverty. The poverty is inter-generational and so about > > poor modeling by the entitled boomer-generation. At its core this is about > > ill-disciplined wanton sex; over-copulation. This article is absolutely > > correct. It is time to curb unbridled sex by less than adult married > > people and the conception of more children outside of marriage. > > -Buck > > > > This should be a multi- pronged attack on poverty. One, more public > investment in public education and early education to get those children in > poverty out of their miserable home environments as early as possible; and > two, the David Lynch Foundation should develop a massive subsidy program to > initiate more people who are in poverty in to meditation. And three, as a > society we need to start immediately a rigorous program of licensing marriage > based on competence standards. > > > > The letter reads: > > > > > > Dear All Three > > > > > > With last evening's crop of whinges and tidings of more rotten news > > > for which you seem to treat your mother like a cess-pit, I feel it is > > > time to come off my perch. > > > > > > It is obvious that none of you has the faintest notion of the bitter > > > disappointment each of you has in your own way dished out to us. We are > > > seeing the miserable death throes of the fourth of your collective > > > marriages at the same time we see the advent of a fifth. > > > > > > We are constantly regaled with chapter and verse of the happy, > > > successful lives of the families of our friends and relatives and being > > > asked of news of our own children and grandchildren. I wonder if you > > > realise how we feel we have nothing to say which reflects any credit on > > > you or us. We don't ask for your sympathy or understanding Mum and I > > > have been used to taking our own misfortunes on the chin, and making our > > > own effort to bash our little paths through life without being a burden > > > to others. Having done our best probably misguidedly to provide for > > > our children, we naturally hoped to see them in turn take up their own > > > banners and provide happy and stable homes for their own children. > > > > > > Fulfilling careers based on your educations would have helped but > > > as yet none of you is what I would confidently term properly > > > self-supporting. Which of you, with or without a spouse, can support your > > > families, finance your home and provide a pension for your old age? Each > > > of you is well able to earn a comfortable living and provide for your > > > children, yet each of you has contrived to avoid even moderate > > > achievement. Far from your children being able to rely on your provision, > > > they are faced with needing to survive their introduction to life with > > > you as parents. > > > > > > So we witness the introduction to this life of six beautiful children > > > soon to be seven none of whose parents have had the maturity and > > > sound judgment to make a reasonable fist at making essential threshold > > > decisions. None of these decisions were made with any pretence to ask for > > > our advice. > > > > > > In each case we have been expected to acquiesce with mostly hasty, > > > but always in our view, badly judged decisions. None of you has done > > > yourself, or given to us, the basic courtesy to ask us what we think > > > while there was still time finally to think things through. The > > > predictable result has been a decade of deep unhappiness over the fates > > > of our grandchildren. If it wasn't for them, Mum and I would not be too > > > concerned, as each of you consciously, and with eyes wide open, crashes > > > from one screw-up to the next. It makes us weak that so many of these > > > events are copulation-driven, and then helplessly to see these lovely > > > little people being so woefully let down by you, their parents. > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" > wrote: > > > > Below is some letter that was written from a British grandfather to his > > children and grandchildren. Although it is about life in Britain, it hits > > home with what's going on right here in America too. > > > > Yep, there is such ignorance and squalor out there. But, yay more meditation > and better education. I'm all for civil unions but marriage should be > LICENSED and reserved for having children once applicant spouses have their > education complete, have self-sustaining jobs, have learned meditation and > have had their meditations checked. 30 percent of kids now are born in to > poverty. The poverty is inter-generational and so about poor modeling by the > entitled boomer-generation. At its core this is about ill-disciplined wanton > sex; over-copulation. This article is absolutely correct. It is time to > curb unbridled sex by less than adult married people and the conception of > more children outside of marriage. > -Buck Straighten em out Buck, Today FFL, tomorrow the world! > > The letter reads: > > > > Dear All Three > > > > With last evening's crop of whinges and tidings of more rotten news for > > which you seem to treat your mother like a cess-pit, I feel it is time to > > come off my perch. > > > > It is obvious that none of you has the faintest notion of the bitter > > disappointment each of you has in your own way dished out to us. We are > > seeing the miserable death throes of the fourth of your collective > > marriages at the same time we see the advent of a fifth. > > > > We are constantly regaled with chapter and verse of the happy, > > successful lives of the families of our friends and relatives and being > > asked of news of our own children and grandchildren. I wonder if you > > realise how we feel we have nothing to say which reflects any credit on > > you or us. We don't ask for your sympathy or understanding Mum and I have > > been used to taking our own misfortunes on the chin, and making our own > > effort to bash our little paths through life without being a burden to > > others. Having done our best probably misguidedly to provide for our > > children, we naturally hoped to see them in turn take up their own banners > > and provide happy and stable homes for their own children. > > > > Fulfilling careers based on your educations would have helped but as > > yet none of you is what I would confidently term properly self-supporting. > > Which of you, with or without a spouse, can support your families, finance > > your home and provide a pension for your old age? Each of you is well able > > to earn a comfortable living and provide for your children, yet each of you > > has contrived to avoid even moderate achievement. Far from your children > > being able to rely on your provision, they are faced with needing to > > survive their introduction to life with you as parents. > > > > So we witness the introduction to this life of six beautiful children > > soon to be seven none of whose parents have had the maturity and sound > > judgment to make a reasonable fist at making essential threshold decisions. > > None of these decisions were made with any pretence to ask for our advice. > > > > In each case we have been expected to acquiesce with mostly hasty, but > > always in our view, badly judged decisions. None of you has done yourself, > > or given to us, the basic courtesy to ask us what we think while there was > > still time finally to think things through. The predictable result has been > > a decade of deep unhappiness over the fates of our grandchildren. If it > > wasn't for them, Mum and I would not be too concerned, as each of you > > consciously, and with eyes wide open, crashes from one screw-up to the > > next. It makes us weak that so many of these events are copulation-driven, > > and then helplessly to see these lovely little people being so woefully let > > down by you, their parents. > > > > I can now tell you that I for one, and I sense Mum feels the same, have > > had enough of being forced to live through the never-ending bad dream of > > our children's underachievement and domestic ineptitudes. I want to hear no > > more from any of you until, if you feel inclined, you have a success or an > > achievement or a REALISTIC plan for the support and happiness of your > > children to tell me about. I don't want to see your mother burdened any > > more with your miserable woes it's not as if any of the advice she > > strives to give you has ever been listened to with good grace far less > > acted upon. So I ask you to spare her further unhappiness. If you think I > > have been unfair in what I have said, by all means try to persuade me to > > change my mind. But you won't do it by simply whingeing a
[FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" > wrote: > > > > Below is some letter that was written from a British grandfather to his > > children and grandchildren. Although it is about life in Britain, it hits > > home with what's going on right here in America too. > > > > Yep, there is such ignorance and squalor out there. But, yay more meditation > and better education. I'm all for civil unions but marriage should be > LICENSED and reserved for having children once applicant spouses have their > education complete, have self-sustaining jobs, have learned meditation and > have had their meditations checked. 30 percent of kids now are born in to > poverty. The poverty is inter-generational and so about poor modeling by the > entitled boomer-generation. At its core this is about ill-disciplined wanton > sex; over-copulation. This article is absolutely correct. It is time to > curb unbridled sex by less than adult married people and the conception of > more children outside of marriage. > -Buck > This should be a multi- pronged attack on poverty. One, more public investment in public education and early education to get those children in poverty out of their miserable home environments as early as possible; and two, the David Lynch Foundation should develop a massive subsidy program to initiate more people who are in poverty in to meditation. And three, as a society we need to start immediately a rigorous program of licensing marriage based on competence standards. > > The letter reads: > > > > Dear All Three > > > > With last evening's crop of whinges and tidings of more rotten news for > > which you seem to treat your mother like a cess-pit, I feel it is time to > > come off my perch. > > > > It is obvious that none of you has the faintest notion of the bitter > > disappointment each of you has in your own way dished out to us. We are > > seeing the miserable death throes of the fourth of your collective > > marriages at the same time we see the advent of a fifth. > > > > We are constantly regaled with chapter and verse of the happy, > > successful lives of the families of our friends and relatives and being > > asked of news of our own children and grandchildren. I wonder if you > > realise how we feel we have nothing to say which reflects any credit on > > you or us. We don't ask for your sympathy or understanding Mum and I have > > been used to taking our own misfortunes on the chin, and making our own > > effort to bash our little paths through life without being a burden to > > others. Having done our best probably misguidedly to provide for our > > children, we naturally hoped to see them in turn take up their own banners > > and provide happy and stable homes for their own children. > > > > Fulfilling careers based on your educations would have helped but as > > yet none of you is what I would confidently term properly self-supporting. > > Which of you, with or without a spouse, can support your families, finance > > your home and provide a pension for your old age? Each of you is well able > > to earn a comfortable living and provide for your children, yet each of you > > has contrived to avoid even moderate achievement. Far from your children > > being able to rely on your provision, they are faced with needing to > > survive their introduction to life with you as parents. > > > > So we witness the introduction to this life of six beautiful children > > soon to be seven none of whose parents have had the maturity and sound > > judgment to make a reasonable fist at making essential threshold decisions. > > None of these decisions were made with any pretence to ask for our advice. > > > > In each case we have been expected to acquiesce with mostly hasty, but > > always in our view, badly judged decisions. None of you has done yourself, > > or given to us, the basic courtesy to ask us what we think while there was > > still time finally to think things through. The predictable result has been > > a decade of deep unhappiness over the fates of our grandchildren. If it > > wasn't for them, Mum and I would not be too concerned, as each of you > > consciously, and with eyes wide open, crashes from one screw-up to the > > next. It makes us weak that so many of these events are copulation-driven, > > and then helplessly to see these lovely little people being so woefully let > > down by you, their parents. > > > > I can now tell you that I for one, and I sense Mum feels the same, have > > had enough of being forced to live through the never-ending bad dream of > > our children's underachievement and domestic ineptitudes. I want to hear no > > more from any of you until, if you feel inclined, you have a success or an > > achievement or a REALISTIC plan for the support and happiness of your > > children to tell me about. I don't want to see your mother b
[FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" wrote: > > Below is some letter that was written from a British grandfather to his > children and grandchildren. Although it is about life in Britain, it hits > home with what's going on right here in America too. > Yep, there is such ignorance and squalor out there. But, yay more meditation and better education. I'm all for civil unions but marriage should be LICENSED and reserved for having children once applicant spouses have their education complete, have self-sustaining jobs, have learned meditation and have had their meditations checked. 30 percent of kids now are born in to poverty. The poverty is inter-generational and so about poor modeling by the entitled boomer-generation. At its core this is about ill-disciplined wanton sex; over-copulation. This article is absolutely correct. It is time to curb unbridled sex by less than adult married people and the conception of more children outside of marriage. -Buck > The letter reads: > > Dear All Three > > With last evening's crop of whinges and tidings of more rotten news for > which you seem to treat your mother like a cess-pit, I feel it is time to > come off my perch. > > It is obvious that none of you has the faintest notion of the bitter > disappointment each of you has in your own way dished out to us. We are > seeing the miserable death throes of the fourth of your collective marriages > at the same time we see the advent of a fifth. > > We are constantly regaled with chapter and verse of the happy, successful > lives of the families of our friends and relatives and being asked of news of > our own children and grandchildren. I wonder if you realise how we feel we > have nothing to say which reflects any credit on you or us. We don't ask for > your sympathy or understanding Mum and I have been used to taking our own > misfortunes on the chin, and making our own effort to bash our little paths > through life without being a burden to others. Having done our best > probably misguidedly to provide for our children, we naturally hoped to see > them in turn take up their own banners and provide happy and stable homes for > their own children. > > Fulfilling careers based on your educations would have helped but as > yet none of you is what I would confidently term properly self-supporting. > Which of you, with or without a spouse, can support your families, finance > your home and provide a pension for your old age? Each of you is well able to > earn a comfortable living and provide for your children, yet each of you has > contrived to avoid even moderate achievement. Far from your children being > able to rely on your provision, they are faced with needing to survive their > introduction to life with you as parents. > > So we witness the introduction to this life of six beautiful children > soon to be seven none of whose parents have had the maturity and sound > judgment to make a reasonable fist at making essential threshold decisions. > None of these decisions were made with any pretence to ask for our advice. > > In each case we have been expected to acquiesce with mostly hasty, but > always in our view, badly judged decisions. None of you has done yourself, or > given to us, the basic courtesy to ask us what we think while there was still > time finally to think things through. The predictable result has been a > decade of deep unhappiness over the fates of our grandchildren. If it wasn't > for them, Mum and I would not be too concerned, as each of you consciously, > and with eyes wide open, crashes from one screw-up to the next. It makes us > weak that so many of these events are copulation-driven, and then helplessly > to see these lovely little people being so woefully let down by you, their > parents. > > I can now tell you that I for one, and I sense Mum feels the same, have > had enough of being forced to live through the never-ending bad dream of our > children's underachievement and domestic ineptitudes. I want to hear no more > from any of you until, if you feel inclined, you have a success or an > achievement or a REALISTIC plan for the support and happiness of your > children to tell me about. I don't want to see your mother burdened any more > with your miserable woes it's not as if any of the advice she strives to > give you has ever been listened to with good grace far less acted upon. So > I ask you to spare her further unhappiness. If you think I have been unfair > in what I have said, by all means try to persuade me to change my mind. But > you won't do it by simply whingeing and saying you don't like it. You'll have > to come up with meaty reasons to demolish my points and build a case for > yourself. If that isn't possible, or you simply can't be bothered, then I > rest my case. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" wrote: > > I wouldn't necessarily say he's a shitty parent, his situation sounds almost > exactly like my family's situation, only my grandfather would never tend to > complain like this one. I don't know what kind of family or neighborhood you > grew up in, but in my family, and the family of many friends of mine there > has been a strong tendency to make ridiculous decisions day in and day out, > year after year and still expect to enjoy the same results in life that our > parents and grandparents did. I think that's the main complaint of this guy. > > > I can say for my family itself, some are not doing too well these days. And > I know for a fact that the advice and wisdom of elders in our family was > available, but the younger ones simply wouldn't listen. > > I remember one of George Carlin's final stand up specials where he claimed > that if there was a motto that would fit the current generation it would be > "Gimme, it's mine!". And George was about as liberal as liberal can be. I > think that's what the man who wrote this article was trying to depict. > > seekliberation I thought it was a great letter. It was a truthful portrayal of this man's disgust and frustration with his children. I can imagine the kinds of things he was referring to. More people should be so subjectively objective about their families; it would result in a lot less enabling and a lot more realness. Coming from a family where I had an alcoholic parent I can attest that brute/rigorous honesty about dysfunction is always preferable to the alternative. I applaud this man who wrote that letter, at least as much as I can understand where he is coming from. I would prefer to hear the other side of the story as well, his children's side. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" > > wrote: > > > > > > Below is some letter that was written from a British grandfather to his > > > children and grandchildren. Although it is about life in Britain, it > > > hits home with what's going on right here in America too. > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children
I wouldn't necessarily say he's a shitty parent, his situation sounds almost exactly like my family's situation, only my grandfather would never tend to complain like this one. I don't know what kind of family or neighborhood you grew up in, but in my family, and the family of many friends of mine there has been a strong tendency to make ridiculous decisions day in and day out, year after year and still expect to enjoy the same results in life that our parents and grandparents did. I think that's the main complaint of this guy. I can say for my family itself, some are not doing too well these days. And I know for a fact that the advice and wisdom of elders in our family was available, but the younger ones simply wouldn't listen. I remember one of George Carlin's final stand up specials where he claimed that if there was a motto that would fit the current generation it would be "Gimme, it's mine!". And George was about as liberal as liberal can be. I think that's what the man who wrote this article was trying to depict. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" > wrote: > > > > Below is some letter that was written from a British grandfather to his > > children and grandchildren. Although it is about life in Britain, it hits > > home with what's going on right here in America too. > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: > > > > Barry, I don't post to "draw people in"; my posts are > > primarily spontaneous replies, which is why I get embarrassed > > about what I write sometimes - like most of today, for example. > > Note that I've begun apologizing all over the place and > > promising to back off. > > Without doing so. > > Clearly, your "promises" are as binding as Judy's > and Robin's; that is, not at all. Like your assertion (never a promise, you don't make promises,) to never read certain people's posts. Like your disdain for the cliquey drama queeny antics which you, nevertheless ad infinitum, always put your one cent out there about. Like your criteria for ignoring the things you find boring and juvenile which you never abide by yourself. Kinda like that Barry? > > You have the ability to just DROP IT and not start > it all up again. You don't do this. Of course Barry, not being a regular member of the human race, doesn't need to follow any of the things he expects others to abide by. Or would that be called being a sociopath? > > Neither does Share, and neither do Ann and Judy and > Raunchy and Ravi and Robin. > > Why should anyone believe your "promises?" Who is carrying it on now, after Emily has said she was going to drop it after numerous apologies? Who is continuing to prod the dying horse? Why, I believe it is Wright. You are a cog in the same wheel, Mr, whether you realize it or not. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: snip I get embarrassed about what I write sometimes - like most of today, for example. Â Note that I've begun apologizing all over the place and promising to back off. Â I am not that powerful a presence here that I can "draw people in," but I can get on a roll and carry it for awhile. snip Hey, I relate to this. I hope you don't leave. We rarely see people here move "through" a situation. How can it possibly be pretty? It never is, but at least it is change, and hopefully greater understanding. Again, in very short supply around here. You are much loved by many.
[FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: > > Barry, I don't post to "draw people in"; my posts are > primarily spontaneous replies, which is why I get embarrassed > about what I write sometimes - like most of today, for example. > Note that I've begun apologizing all over the place and > promising to back off. Without doing so. Clearly, your "promises" are as binding as Judy's and Robin's; that is, not at all. You have the ability to just DROP IT and not start it all up again. You don't do this. Neither does Share, and neither do Ann and Judy and Raunchy and Ravi and Robin. Why should anyone believe your "promises?"
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Oh, I totally see how the tone applies to the drama I've been participating in on FFL. I just chose to acknowledge that the letter has a "larger audience" potential. Seekliberation sent it with the context of what is "happening here in America", not what is "happening here on FFL." I agree that FFL is not a dumping ground for my unhappiness - I post many times reflecting amusement. Share is not a punching bag for my anger; I've interpreted it to be the opposite, actually - I and others are a punching bag for hers. Doesn't matter - I realize there are two schools of thought on this; after tonight I am withdrawing from the situation for a period of time and maybe forever. I have said my apologies to her for my part in it and I feel at peace. She has nothing to apologize for; she was right about everything. I should have known better, given where my maturity level really is. Barry, I don't post to "draw people in"; my posts are primarily spontaneous replies, which is why I get embarrassed about what I write sometimes - like most of today, for example. Note that I've begun apologizing all over the place and promising to back off. I am not that powerful a presence here that I can "draw people in," but I can get on a roll and carry it for awhile. At 50 I'll be gone. At 51 I'll be gone for another week. I feel guilty for my numerous posts today, just so you know. Luckily, Emilina is not on that boat and she'd save the group. Nice to know where you stand on that ethical question. I'm sure there is another way to look at it. I'm hearing the feedback re: "time to move on to something else." I respond to peer pressure. No worries, mate. I'll be back in my place in no time at all. ____ From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 12:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: > > What year was this written? At this point in his life, > all the grandfather needs is a little respect and peace > of mind and knowledge that his line is doing well for > themselves. > > This is a fabulous letter that I will send to my older > family members and read myself a few more times. It > hits close to home for all generations referenced. Typical. She can see how it might apply to others, but seekliberation's (possible) hint that it equally describes what she and others are doing to Fairfield Life passes her by completely. We are not a dumping ground for your unhappiness. Share is not a punching bag for your anger. You can pretend that this is useful advice for others around you, but you can't be bothered to follow it yourself. We don't CARE about your problems with Share. We don't CARE about your angst and your whining. And we certainly don't CARE about your attempts to draw everyone here into these Drama Queen scenarios. I'm reminded of an ethics question once posed to students of journalistic photography. You and your camera are covering a flood, and suddenly you see several people being swept by in a boat. On the boat are Raunchydog, Judy, Ann, Emily, Ravi, and Robin. The current is taking them towards a precipice that the flood has turned into a raging waterfall, and if they are swept over the side they will certainly be lost. You notice that on the railing beside you is a life preserver attached to a long rope tied to the pier. You just might be able to throw it to them so they can attach the rope to the boat and save themselves. On the other hand, you could lift your camera and take the last photo of them as they go over the edge, a photo so dramatic that it might win you the Pulitzer Prize. So here's the ethical dilemma -- what do you do? You don't have time to do both. You can either save the group of people or take the photo. The final question to the FFL "class" is, do you use f-stop 8 or f-stop 16 when taking the photo? > > From: salyavin808 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 11:38 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" > wrote: > > > > Below is some letter that was written from a British grandfather to his > > children and grandchildren. Although it is about life in Britain, it hits > > home with what's going on right here in America too. > > > > The letter reads: > > > > Dear All Three > > > > With last evening's crop of whinges and tidings of more rotten news for > > which you seem t
[FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: > > What year was this written? At this point in his life, > all the grandfather needs is a little respect and peace > of mind and knowledge that his line is doing well for > themselves. > > This is a fabulous letter that I will send to my older > family members and read myself a few more times. It > hits close to home for all generations referenced. Typical. She can see how it might apply to others, but seekliberation's (possible) hint that it equally describes what she and others are doing to Fairfield Life passes her by completely. We are not a dumping ground for your unhappiness. Share is not a punching bag for your anger. You can pretend that this is useful advice for others around you, but you can't be bothered to follow it yourself. We don't CARE about your problems with Share. We don't CARE about your angst and your whining. And we certainly don't CARE about your attempts to draw everyone here into these Drama Queen scenarios. I'm reminded of an ethics question once posed to students of journalistic photography. You and your camera are covering a flood, and suddenly you see several people being swept by in a boat. On the boat are Raunchydog, Judy, Ann, Emily, Ravi, and Robin. The current is taking them towards a precipice that the flood has turned into a raging waterfall, and if they are swept over the side they will certainly be lost. You notice that on the railing beside you is a life preserver attached to a long rope tied to the pier. You just might be able to throw it to them so they can attach the rope to the boat and save themselves. On the other hand, you could lift your camera and take the last photo of them as they go over the edge, a photo so dramatic that it might win you the Pulitzer Prize. So here's the ethical dilemma -- what do you do? You don't have time to do both. You can either save the group of people or take the photo. The final question to the FFL "class" is, do you use f-stop 8 or f-stop 16 when taking the photo? > > From: salyavin808 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 11:38 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" > wrote: > > > > Below is some letter that was written from a British grandfather to his > > children and grandchildren. Although it is about life in Britain, it hits > > home with what's going on right here in America too. > > > > The letter reads: > > > > Dear All Three > > > > With last evening's crop of whinges and tidings of more rotten news for > > which you seem to treat your mother like a cess-pit, I feel it is time to > > come off my perch. > > > > It is obvious that none of you has the faintest notion of the bitter > > disappointment each of you has in your own way dished out to us. We are > > seeing the miserable death throes of the fourth of your collective > > marriages at the same time we see the advent of a fifth. > > > > We are constantly regaled with chapter and verse of the happy, > > successful lives of the families of our friends and relatives and being > > asked of news of our own children and grandchildren. I wonder if you > > realise how we feel â" we have nothing to say which reflects any credit on > > you or us. We don't ask for your sympathy or understanding â" Mum and I > > have been used to taking our own misfortunes on the chin, and making our > > own effort to bash our little paths through life without being a burden to > > others. Having done our best â" probably misguidedly â" to provide for > > our children, we naturally hoped to see them in turn take up their own > > banners and provide happy and stable homes for their own children. > > > > Fulfilling careers based on your educations would have helped â" but > > as yet none of you is what I would confidently term properly > > self-supporting. Which of you, with or without a spouse, can support your > > families, finance your home and provide a pension for your old age? Each of > > you is well able to earn a comfortable living and provide for your > > children, yet each of you has contrived to avoid even moderate achievement. > > Far from your children being able to rely on your provision, they are faced > > with needing to survive their introduction to life with you as parents. > > > > So we witness the introduction to this life of six beautiful children > > â" soon to be
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children
What year was this written? At this point in his life, all the grandfather needs is a little respect and peace of mind and knowledge that his line is doing well for themselves. This is a fabulous letter that I will send to my older family members and read myself a few more times. It hits close to home for all generations referenced. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 11:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" wrote: > > Below is some letter that was written from a British grandfather to his > children and grandchildren. Although it is about life in Britain, it hits > home with what's going on right here in America too. > > The letter reads: > > Dear All Three > > With last evening's crop of whinges and tidings of more rotten news for > which you seem to treat your mother like a cess-pit, I feel it is time to > come off my perch. > > It is obvious that none of you has the faintest notion of the bitter > disappointment each of you has in your own way dished out to us. We are > seeing the miserable death throes of the fourth of your collective marriages > at the same time we see the advent of a fifth. > > We are constantly regaled with chapter and verse of the happy, successful > lives of the families of our friends and relatives and being asked of news of > our own children and grandchildren. I wonder if you realise how we feel — we > have nothing to say which reflects any credit on you or us. We don't ask for > your sympathy or understanding — Mum and I have been used to taking our own > misfortunes on the chin, and making our own effort to bash our little paths > through life without being a burden to others. Having done our best — > probably misguidedly — to provide for our children, we naturally hoped to see > them in turn take up their own banners and provide happy and stable homes for > their own children. > > Fulfilling careers based on your educations would have helped — but as > yet none of you is what I would confidently term properly self-supporting. > Which of you, with or without a spouse, can support your families, finance > your home and provide a pension for your old age? Each of you is well able to > earn a comfortable living and provide for your children, yet each of you has > contrived to avoid even moderate achievement. Far from your children being > able to rely on your provision, they are faced with needing to survive their > introduction to life with you as parents. > > So we witness the introduction to this life of six beautiful children — > soon to be seven — none of whose parents have had the maturity and sound > judgment to make a reasonable fist at making essential threshold decisions. > None of these decisions were made with any pretence to ask for our advice. > > In each case we have been expected to acquiesce with mostly hasty, but > always in our view, badly judged decisions. None of you has done yourself, or > given to us, the basic courtesy to ask us what we think while there was still > time finally to think things through. The predictable result has been a > decade of deep unhappiness over the fates of our grandchildren. If it wasn't > for them, Mum and I would not be too concerned, as each of you consciously, > and with eyes wide open, crashes from one screw-up to the next. It makes us > weak that so many of these events are copulation-driven, and then helplessly > to see these lovely little people being so woefully let down by you, their > parents. > > I can now tell you that I for one, and I sense Mum feels the same, have > had enough of being forced to live through the never-ending bad dream of our > children's underachievement and domestic ineptitudes. I want to hear no more > from any of you until, if you feel inclined, you have a success or an > achievement or a REALISTIC plan for the support and happiness of your > children to tell me about. I don't want to see your mother burdened any more > with your miserable woes — it's not as if any of the advice she strives to > give you has ever been listened to with good grace — far less acted upon. So > I ask you to spare her further unhappiness. If you think I have been unfair > in what I have said, by all means try to persuade me to change my mind. But > you won't do it by simply whingeing and saying you don't like it. You'll have > to come up with meaty reasons to demolish my points and build a case for > yourself. If that isn't possible, or you simply can't be bothered, then I rest my case. They fuck you up, your mum and dad. This guy must have been a shit parent to have three useless kids, I wonder at what point he'll start wondering where he went wrong?
[FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" wrote: > > Below is some letter that was written from a British grandfather to his > children and grandchildren. Although it is about life in Britain, it hits > home with what's going on right here in America too. > > The letter reads: > > Dear All Three > > With last evening's crop of whinges and tidings of more rotten news for > which you seem to treat your mother like a cess-pit, I feel it is time to > come off my perch. > > It is obvious that none of you has the faintest notion of the bitter > disappointment each of you has in your own way dished out to us. We are > seeing the miserable death throes of the fourth of your collective marriages > at the same time we see the advent of a fifth. > > We are constantly regaled with chapter and verse of the happy, successful > lives of the families of our friends and relatives and being asked of news of > our own children and grandchildren. I wonder if you realise how we feel we > have nothing to say which reflects any credit on you or us. We don't ask for > your sympathy or understanding Mum and I have been used to taking our own > misfortunes on the chin, and making our own effort to bash our little paths > through life without being a burden to others. Having done our best > probably misguidedly to provide for our children, we naturally hoped to see > them in turn take up their own banners and provide happy and stable homes for > their own children. > > Fulfilling careers based on your educations would have helped but as > yet none of you is what I would confidently term properly self-supporting. > Which of you, with or without a spouse, can support your families, finance > your home and provide a pension for your old age? Each of you is well able to > earn a comfortable living and provide for your children, yet each of you has > contrived to avoid even moderate achievement. Far from your children being > able to rely on your provision, they are faced with needing to survive their > introduction to life with you as parents. > > So we witness the introduction to this life of six beautiful children > soon to be seven none of whose parents have had the maturity and sound > judgment to make a reasonable fist at making essential threshold decisions. > None of these decisions were made with any pretence to ask for our advice. > > In each case we have been expected to acquiesce with mostly hasty, but > always in our view, badly judged decisions. None of you has done yourself, or > given to us, the basic courtesy to ask us what we think while there was still > time finally to think things through. The predictable result has been a > decade of deep unhappiness over the fates of our grandchildren. If it wasn't > for them, Mum and I would not be too concerned, as each of you consciously, > and with eyes wide open, crashes from one screw-up to the next. It makes us > weak that so many of these events are copulation-driven, and then helplessly > to see these lovely little people being so woefully let down by you, their > parents. > > I can now tell you that I for one, and I sense Mum feels the same, have > had enough of being forced to live through the never-ending bad dream of our > children's underachievement and domestic ineptitudes. I want to hear no more > from any of you until, if you feel inclined, you have a success or an > achievement or a REALISTIC plan for the support and happiness of your > children to tell me about. I don't want to see your mother burdened any more > with your miserable woes it's not as if any of the advice she strives to > give you has ever been listened to with good grace far less acted upon. So > I ask you to spare her further unhappiness. If you think I have been unfair > in what I have said, by all means try to persuade me to change my mind. But > you won't do it by simply whingeing and saying you don't like it. You'll have > to come up with meaty reasons to demolish my points and build a case for > yourself. If that isn't possible, or you simply can't be bothered, then I > rest my case. They fuck you up, your mum and dad. This guy must have been a shit parent to have three useless kids, I wonder at what point he'll start wondering where he went wrong?
