[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: I'm not complaining personally about TM. I figured I was always fortunate, as I always had teacher-approved, textbook experiences. TM-Sidhi too. But then again I'd already been having experiences since I was a kid. Who knows, maybe I was just some fucked up kid who fell on TM? Well you're in magnanimous mode! That's certainly an improvement on TM fell on me and made me a fucked up kid.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
On Feb 22, 2010, at 5:48 AM, PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: I'm not complaining personally about TM. I figured I was always fortunate, as I always had teacher-approved, textbook experiences. TM-Sidhi too. But then again I'd already been having experiences since I was a kid. Who knows, maybe I was just some fucked up kid who fell on TM? Well you're in magnanimous mode! That's certainly an improvement on TM fell on me and made me a fucked up kid. Hey, when you're as sattvic as me, sometimes you just want to share the sattva, OK?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
I'm not sure these are the mantras that Chopra uses. They just happen to number 108. On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:37 PM, shukra69 wrote: thanks for info, not so appealing as mantras alone,, om tee namah for a mantra? give me the TM mantras instead
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12 Ergo, Chopra's TM must be better. This is how we bought electric guitars when we were 12 years old: the more knobs and buttons the guitar had, the better we assumed it was. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: LINK
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
On Feb 21, 2010, at 3:08 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12 Ergo, Chopra's TM must be better. This is how we bought electric guitars when we were 12 years old: the more knobs and buttons the guitar had, the better we assumed it was. Well 108 is potentially better than a mere 12. The real issue is that TM teachers were taught to lie, telling unsuspecting students that mantras were based on the individuals nervous system, developed though close collaboration with Guru Dev, blah blah blah, bunches of lies. 108 choices would certainly be better, if they were doled out for some individualized reason. A good mantra yoga initiator also knows that sometimes you have to change the students mantra. This is all lost on foolhardy TM teachers, who probably do more damage then good, but pose as experts in their imaginary Vedic meditation tradition. It might be funny if it wasn't just so damn naive. I think of all the TM derivatives: Sahaj, Chopra's, Independent TM, etc. TM™ remains the poorest choice, esp. given the weirdness of the Org itself. I'm more likely to recommend a friend be audited for Thetans than I am to recommend TM™.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
Vaj wrote: On Feb 21, 2010, at 3:08 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12 Ergo, Chopra's TM must be better. This is how we bought electric guitars when we were 12 years old: the more knobs and buttons the guitar had, the better we assumed it was. Well 108 is potentially better than a mere 12. The real issue is that TM teachers were taught to lie, telling unsuspecting students that mantras were based on the individuals nervous system, developed though close collaboration with Guru Dev, blah blah blah, bunches of lies. 108 choices would certainly be better, if they were doled out for some individualized reason. A good mantra yoga initiator also knows that sometimes you have to change the students mantra. This is all lost on foolhardy TM teachers, who probably do more damage then good, but pose as experts in their imaginary Vedic meditation tradition. It might be funny if it wasn't just so damn naive. I think of all the TM derivatives: Sahaj, Chopra's, Independent TM, etc. TM™ remains the poorest choice, esp. given the weirdness of the Org itself. I'm more likely to recommend a friend be audited for Thetans than I am to recommend TM™. And of course any real teacher can enliven any mantra they want plus create new ones. Yoga lite only has parrots because that is all they could be trusted with. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
On Feb 21, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: On Feb 21, 2010, at 3:08 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12 Ergo, Chopra's TM must be better. This is how we bought electric guitars when we were 12 years old: the more knobs and buttons the guitar had, the better we assumed it was. Well 108 is potentially better than a mere 12. The real issue is that TM teachers were taught to lie, telling unsuspecting students that mantras were based on the individuals nervous system, developed though close collaboration with Guru Dev, blah blah blah, bunches of lies. 108 choices would certainly be better, if they were doled out for some individualized reason. A good mantra yoga initiator also knows that sometimes you have to change the students mantra. This is all lost on foolhardy TM teachers, who probably do more damage then good, but pose as experts in their imaginary Vedic meditation tradition. It might be funny if it wasn't just so damn naive. I think of all the TM derivatives: Sahaj, Chopra's, Independent TM, etc. TM™ remains the poorest choice, esp. given the weirdness of the Org itself. I'm more likely to recommend a friend be audited for Thetans than I am to recommend TM™. And of course any real teacher can enliven any mantra they want plus create new ones. Yoga lite only has parrots because that is all they could be trusted with. The mantras that are recited are no mantras at all. Without the immutable potency that is in the mantras, as their very life and soul (jiva), they are futile like a cloud that will not rain. Shiva-sutra-vimarshini
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Feb 21, 2010, at 3:08 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12 Ergo, Chopra's TM must be better. This is how we bought electric guitars when we were 12 years old: the more knobs and buttons the guitar had, the better we assumed it was. Well 108 is potentially better than a mere 12. The real issue is that TM teachers were taught to lie, telling unsuspecting students that mantras were based on the individuals nervous system, developed though close collaboration with Guru Dev, blah blah blah, bunches of lies. 108 choices would certainly be better, if they were doled out for some individualized reason. A good mantra yoga initiator also knows that sometimes you have to change the students mantra. This is all lost on foolhardy TM teachers, who probably do more damage then good, but pose as experts in their imaginary Vedic meditation tradition. It might be funny if it wasn't just so damn naive. I think of all the TM derivatives: Sahaj, Chopra's, Independent TM, etc. TM remains the poorest choice, esp. given the weirdness of the Org itself. I'm more likely to recommend a friend be audited for Thetans than I am to recommend TM. ...and yet here you are, year after year, on a site about TM, posting on a daily basis. To me, that says more about the efficacy of TM than anything. If it wasn't so good -- particularly in this age when practically no one is starting TM anymore (and its been in decline now for 30 years) -- why do you devote so much of your time obsessing about TM? If TM was full of shit, you would have forgotten about it YEARS ago and moved on. Your obsession is, as I see it, a direct result of the incredible success of TM to purify your nervous system and enable unstressing. It's been rough for you and you're still recovering from the last session of TM that you did...what, 25 years ago? Pretty fucking powerful technique, I'd say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: The mantras that are recited are no mantras at all. Without the immutable potency that is in the mantras, as their very life and soul (jiva), they are futile like a cloud that will not rain. Shiva-sutra-vimarshini So Vaj-That really sounds romantic, now, just how are the mantras given *potency*? And IF the mantras have **immutable potency** how then can it be lost?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
On Feb 21, 2010, at 5:33 PM, BillyG wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: The mantras that are recited are no mantras at all. Without the immutable potency that is in the mantras, as their very life and soul (jiva), they are futile like a cloud that will not rain. Shiva-sutra-vimarshini So Vaj-That really sounds romantic, now, just how are the mantras given *potency*? And IF the mantras have **immutable potency** how then can it be lost? Usually through mantra diksha and then specific initiatory abhishekas. Shaktipat is usually part of the latter. That way what was awakened in the teacher, is actually, tangibly, passed on. TM mantras are (IMO) actually passed on in authentic away, if the teacher awakened something in his or her roundings. They're just not very balanced mantras, and so can therefore affect unbalanced persons in a negative way and they're not specific to the unique characteristics of the student receiving them. Many Hindu gurus consider their traditions in danger of extinction and that casting seeds where only some will fall in fertile ground is allowable. That's not OK with me. We now know that repetitive mentation physically shapes the brain. What happens when that goes awry? In that way Chopra's 108 mantras could actually be 108/12 or 9 times as bad as TM mantra-diksha, as there is at least 9 times more chance for mistakes. The students loves, desires and dislikes are of paramount importance.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
On Feb 21, 2010, at 5:32 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: ...and yet here you are, year after year, on a site about TM, posting on a daily basis. To me, that says more about the efficacy of TM than anything. If it wasn't so good -- particularly in this age when practically no one is starting TM anymore (and its been in decline now for 30 years) -- why do you devote so much of your time obsessing about TM? If TM was full of shit, you would have forgotten about it YEARS ago and moved on. Your obsession is, as I see it, a direct result of the incredible success of TM to purify your nervous system and enable unstressing. It's been rough for you and you're still recovering from the last session of TM that you did...what, 25 years ago? Pretty fucking powerful technique, I'd say. Keep in mind Shemp, some might have been destined (or however you chose to understand such fortune) to receive a mantra they'd used before. What then? A randomly tossed seed can fall on fertile ground, no? I'm not complaining personally about TM. I figured I was always fortunate, as I always had teacher-approved, textbook experiences. TM-Sidhi too. But then again I'd already been having experiences since I was a kid. Who knows, maybe I was just some fucked up kid who fell on TM?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip I'm not complaining personally about TM. I figured I was always fortunate, as I always had teacher-approved, textbook experiences. TM-Sidhi too. But then again I'd already been having experiences since I was a kid. Who knows, maybe I was just some fucked up kid who fell on TM? If so, it's the best evidence yet that TM doesn't work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: ...and yet here you are, year after year, on a site about TM, posting on a daily basis. To me, that says more about the efficacy of TM than anything. If it wasn't so good -- particularly in this age when practically no one is starting TM anymore (and its been in decline now for 30 years) -- why do you devote so much of your time obsessing about TM? If TM was full of shit, you would have forgotten about it YEARS ago and moved on. Your obsession is, as I see it, a direct result of the incredible success of TM to purify your nervous system and enable unstressing. It's been rough for you and you're still recovering from the last session of TM that you did...what, 25 years ago? In the case of Barry the Turq fellow we are talking about more than 30 years, and still both the Vaj and he are unstressing on TM. What an amazing testimony to the power of TM ! Pretty fucking powerful technique, I'd say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
Precisely. Mantras are activated by Shakti, which builds up over time through repetition of various rituals and continual renewal by realized Saints over the centuries. Piecemeal detraction of the various components of the Morphogenetic field will eventually result in a mantra without power. For example, we can replace the pic of Guru Dev by Jesus, replace Vishnu by perhaps Cheney;...and so on. Eventually we can try eliminating the puja altogether along with all references to the Gods...; and while were at it, we can censor all of the statements of Guru Dev on the web posted by Paul Mason. Even further, we can say just repeat any name of God you prefer and then try that. How about aceee, pppeccceee. That's the way things are headed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: The mantras that are recited are no mantras at all. Without the immutable potency that is in the mantras, as their very life and soul (jiva), they are futile like a cloud that will not rain. Shiva-sutra-vimarshini So Vaj-That really sounds romantic, now, just how are the mantras given *potency*? And IF the mantras have **immutable potency** how then can it be lost?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
thanks for info, not so appealing as mantras alone,, om tee namah for a mantra? give me the TM mantras instead --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, false dj...@... wrote: And those 108 are: http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/vedic-astrology-jyotisha/451732-primordial-sound-meditation.html The irony is that the mantra you get seems to be the worst possible one for you: that list gives me the standard mantra for reducing kapha while I've always been highly vata. --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: From: Vaj vajradh...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 9:21 PM LINK
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
In jyotish, these sounds are the first syllables used for naming a child who was born in a particular pada or quarter in any of the nakshatras. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: thanks for info, not so appealing as mantras alone,, om tee namah for a mantra? give me the TM mantras instead --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, false dj015@ wrote: And those 108 are: http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/vedic-astrology-jyotisha/451732-primordial-sound-meditation.html The irony is that the mantra you get seems to be the worst possible one for you: that list gives me the standard mantra for reducing kapha while I've always been highly vata. --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: From: Vaj vajradhatu@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 9:21 PM LINK
