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On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Tom Pall wrote: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Buck wrote: > >> >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: >> > >> > David Wants to Fly - the whole thing - is now viewable on >> > http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-fly >> > >> >> > How very humorous. Gmail takes all of Rick Archer's emails and > automatically place them into my SPAM folder. Nobody else's posts go > there. I have no control over the SPAM filter, except to train the filter, > over and over again, that email from someone is SPAM and I didn't do this. > > > This is a great link. Too bad can't download it and save it for > posteriority.* * > Funniest line in the video?There are one or two people in the whole world who believe that TM is all about money. Or something to that effect.
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On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Buck wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > David Wants to Fly - the whole thing - is now viewable on > > http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-fly > > > > How very humorous. Gmail takes all of Rick Archer's emails and automatically place them into my SPAM folder. Nobody else's posts go there. I have no control over the SPAM filter, except to train the filter, over and over again, that email from someone is SPAM and I didn't do this. This is a great link. Too bad can't download it and save it for posteriority.* *
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > David Wants to Fly - the whole thing - is now viewable on > http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-fly > Reply sent from someone outside studying the TMO: "How on earth did the TMO make lemonade from THAT! Seriously, what kind of defense can you mount? Obviously if there are inaccuracies in the film, it's because the TMO wasn't open enough to correct them. How do you keep them happy in the dome, after they've seen the Brahmasthan of India? After this, my chances of getting good access to the TMO is probably zero, right? I'll bet the latent paranoia of the in-crowd is at a new high. Thanks for the link!"
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Ravi Yogi wrote: "seventhray1" steve.sundur@... wrote: Ravi, would you possibly be willing to join me? Im the American yogi who who loves Abercrombie and Fitch, remember :-), but my mom spends quite a bit of time in Varanasi so let me know when you do go there since my mom knows lot of the places in and around the Ganges. It'd be about 4 years out, but I'd like to do it. That and walk around Ramana Maharishi's mountain.
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On Nov 5, 2011, at 9:27 PM, "seventhray1" wrote: > Gilstradamus, I have to respectfully disagree. Don't know about > Swaroopanand, but who cares. Maybe Guru Dev subscibed to those ridged rules. > I don't know and don't care. But the my singular favorite part of the > movie was when David took a dip in the cold headwaters of the Ganges. > Personally, that is the only place I would care to take a dip in the Ganges. > And I enjoyed seeing the sadhu so acclimated to the climate up there. I > would have expected to see that area more populated with sadhus. I just put > that on my list of places to visit. Ravi, would you possibly be willing to > join me? > I'm the American yogi who who loves Abercrombie and Fitch, remember :-), but my mom spends quite a bit of time in Varanasi so let me know when you do go there since my mom knows lot of the places in and around the Ganges. > Actually, I found Swaroopanand to be credible. But as I say, who cares about > those caste rules. We certainly don't. (Vaj excepted) > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jpgillam" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:30 AM, seventhray1 wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks for the link. Just saw it for the first time. Very well done. > > > > > > > > > What I'd like to see is an "extra" which includes the entire interview > > > with the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. It has been transcribed and it is > > > particularly damning to Mahesh yogi, as it touches on how his students > > > are mis-pronouncing the mantras, the lack of understanding and proper > > > teaching on bhava-tita (the transcendent), etc. It's quite liberating to > > > hear. Let's hope David eventually releases it with subtitles. He could > > > even release it as a separate mini-documentary, "An Interview with the > > > Shankaracharya". Without ever mentioning Mahesh's spiritual incest it > > > deals a final deathblow. > > > > > > > I have to tell you, I was unimpressed by Swaroopanand, > > and not because he resembled nothing so much as a > > beached walrus. I think it was his caste consciousness > > that I objected to. He said Mahesh had no right to teach > > meditation, yet Mahesh did so, and to great effect. > > Maybe in India you cannot be a meditation teacher > > without the right caste credentials, but as an American, > > I find such restrictions absurd. > > > > When David does TM, he likes it quite a bit. Swaroopanand, > > on the other hand, disses TM and tells David that if he wants > > to find real spirituality, he should trek up the Ganges. David > > does so and reports nothing other than being short of breath. > > And from this I'm supposed to draw the conclusion that > > the shankaracharya knows what he's talking about? > > > >
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http://jagadgurushankaracharya.org/ Swami Shree Swaroopananda Saraswati ji was born Pothiram Upadhyay in 1924, in Dist. Seoni and village Dighori area of Madhya Pradesh. At nine years old he left home to visit the holy places of India, including Varanasi where he eventually studied with Swami Karpatri (aka Hariharananda Saraswati), a disciple of Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. At 19 years old he became a freedom fighter in the 'Quit India' movement (1942) and was known as 'Revolutionary Sadhu' (serving two prison sentences for same of 9 months & 6 months). In 1950 Guru Dev made him a dandi sannyasi. Guru Dev made (former freedom fighter to a) asketic dandi sannyasu and named a Bal Brahmachari Mahesh the former still fighting?? âThe supreme authority of dharma, Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati Maharajâs speech has effulgence, it has brilliance, it is captivating, it has grandeur, it has simplicity and it has the flow of nature itself. âHis speech reveals in a unique way, His inherent nature - the Brahman, the reality that He is. Whoever listens to His words desires to continue to keep listening to them. His words carry essence of nectar. They are comforting. They carry scintillating quality of Sam Veda hymns which render unique and incomparable influence. His words provide the warmth that one feels near the firewood in the midst of shivering cold. They carry the divine music that emanates from the blessed veena of goddess Saraswati, the mother of speech. âHis words carry the light of pure knowledge that instantly removes the darkness of ignorance. They bring the coolness of great rain showers to the souls who are suffering endlessly in the great fires of all aspects of human suffering in this world. âHis words are like great tidal waves that have crossed over the highest evolution of humankind and have known the field beyond that. âThe flow of the nectar of His speech has dignity that compares to none other. The greatness of His speech makes even the greatest of mountains bow down. âHis words are nourishing! O human! Fulfill your eternal quest; it is now the time to quench your eternal thirst. His words bring the infinite unbounded ocean of immortality. Each drop of this ocean quenches the eternal thirst of millions.â - Maharishi sorry could not find any praise by Swami Shree Swaroopananda Saraswati about his Guru
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Gilstradamus, I have to respectfully disagree. Don't know about Swaroopanand, but who cares. Maybe Guru Dev subscibed to those ridged rules. I don't know and don't care. But the my singular favorite part of the movie was when David took a dip in the cold headwaters of the Ganges. Personally, that is the only place I would care to take a dip in the Ganges. And I enjoyed seeing the sadhu so acclimated to the climate up there. I would have expected to see that area more populated with sadhus. I just put that on my list of places to visit. Ravi, would you possibly be willing to join me? Actually, I found Swaroopanand to be credible. But as I say, who cares about those caste rules. We certainly don't. (Vaj excepted) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jpgillam" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:30 AM, seventhray1 wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the link. Just saw it for the first time. Very well done. > > > > > > What I'd like to see is an "extra" which includes the entire interview with the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. It has been transcribed and it is particularly damning to Mahesh yogi, as it touches on how his students are mis-pronouncing the mantras, the lack of understanding and proper teaching on bhava-tita (the transcendent), etc. It's quite liberating to hear. Let's hope David eventually releases it with subtitles. He could even release it as a separate mini-documentary, "An Interview with the Shankaracharya". Without ever mentioning Mahesh's spiritual incest it deals a final deathblow. > > > > I have to tell you, I was unimpressed by Swaroopanand, > and not because he resembled nothing so much as a > beached walrus. I think it was his caste consciousness > that I objected to. He said Mahesh had no right to teach > meditation, yet Mahesh did so, and to great effect. > Maybe in India you cannot be a meditation teacher > without the right caste credentials, but as an American, > I find such restrictions absurd. > > When David does TM, he likes it quite a bit. Swaroopanand, > on the other hand, disses TM and tells David that if he wants > to find real spirituality, he should trek up the Ganges. David > does so and reports nothing other than being short of breath. > And from this I'm supposed to draw the conclusion that > the shankaracharya knows what he's talking about? >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:30 AM, seventhray1 wrote: > > > Thanks for the link. Just saw it for the first time. Very well done. > > > What I'd like to see is an "extra" which includes the entire interview with > the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. It has been transcribed and it is > particularly damning to Mahesh yogi, as it touches on how his students are > mis-pronouncing the mantras, the lack of understanding and proper teaching on > bhava-tita (the transcendent), etc. It's quite liberating to hear. Let's > hope David eventually releases it with subtitles. He could even release it as > a separate mini-documentary, "An Interview with the Shankaracharya". Without > ever mentioning Mahesh's spiritual incest it deals a final deathblow. > I have to tell you, I was unimpressed by Swaroopanand, and not because he resembled nothing so much as a beached walrus. I think it was his caste consciousness that I objected to. He said Mahesh had no right to teach meditation, yet Mahesh did so, and to great effect. Maybe in India you cannot be a meditation teacher without the right caste credentials, but as an American, I find such restrictions absurd. When David does TM, he likes it quite a bit. Swaroopanand, on the other hand, disses TM and tells David that if he wants to find real spirituality, he should trek up the Ganges. David does so and reports nothing other than being short of breath. And from this I'm supposed to draw the conclusion that the shankaracharya knows what he's talking about?
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Ms. Borque never outright said she had > SEX with MMY, (at least in the film), she implies it, she may have been > lying...? > > She makes it clear in her book, although doesn't indulge in explicit > details. That part kind of gave me a chuckle, seeing her in her Shamanic ritual garb. If Mark checks back I would like to ask him about his health. I don't think he looked particularly good, (c0utenancewise) in the film.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > One-sided, but sad none the less. Not particularly good film making but interesting if you're involved in some way or another. I thought it was quite good film making. Where did you find it deficient. In particular I thought the music was well selected. I enjoyed the cut aways, and the sequeys. I liked the story within the story with Marie. I thought his narrators voice was appealing. The best part is the last half with the interviews, though Ms. Borque never outright said she had SEX with MMY, (at least in the film), she implies it, she may have been lying. My favorite part was the end piece at the Ganges source with those sadhus. I found that part sweet. ..? Kaplan interview interesting. Earl sounded very reasonable, and natural. >
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All I can say is these guys eat really well..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote:
>
> Some snipets:
>
> http://jagadgurushankaracharya.org/ Swami Shree Swaroopananda Saraswati
> ji was born Pothiram Upadhyay in 1924, in Dist. Seoni and village
> Dighori area of Madhya Pradesh. At nine years old he left home to visit
> the holy places of India, including Varanasi where he eventually studied
> with Swami Karpatri (aka Hariharananda Saraswati), a disciple of Guru
> Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. At 19 years old he became a freedom
> fighter in the 'Quit India' movement (1942) and was known as
> 'Revolutionary Sadhu' (serving two prison sentences for same of 9 months
> & 6 months). In 1950 Guru Dev made him a dandi sannyasi.
> After Guru Dev's passing in 1953, Swarupanandji took up with a new guru,
> Swami Krishnabhodashram ji Maharaj. Krishnabhodashramji was established
> as Guru Dev's successor by Swami Karpatri
>
> Swami Swarupanandji became president of the 'Ramrajya Parishad Party'
> (set up by Swami Karpatri), and on Krishnabhodashram's demise the post
> of Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math passed to Swami Swarupanandji. There
> were now two Shankaracharya ashrams in Joshimath, Swami Swaroopanand's
> being on the site of Trotakacharya's cave, just below the ashram that
> Guru Dev Swami Brahmanand had built in the 1940's.
> In 1982 Swami Swaroopanand inherited the title of Shankaracharya of
> Dwarka.
> --
> wami Karpatri (SwÄmi KarpÄtrÄ«; 19051980; born as Har
> Narayan Ojha in a village called Ojhawali in Barhalganj town area of
> Gorakhpur district in eastern Uttar Pradesh, India[1][2]) was a monk in
> the Hindu dashanami monastic tradition. His ordained name as a monk was
> Hariharananda Saraswati, but he was popularly known by the name Karpatri
> ("he who uses his hand as a food vessel") Swami. He was married and the
> father of a baby daughter when he left home at age 17 to seek ordination
> as a sannyasi (monk). After his years of learning, including three years
> in icy caves in the Himalaya, he was ordained as a monk. He was the
> pupil of the very famous Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath Swami Brahmananda
> Swaraswati. He was also the founder of Dharma Sangha in Varanasi. He
> spent most of his life at Varanasi. He was a teacher in the Advaita
> Vedanta tradition of Hindu philosophy. In 1948, he founded the Ram Rajya
> Parishad, a traditionalist Hindu party. He also guided Alain
> Daniélou, a noted French indologist into converting into Hinduism
> under the name, Shiv Sharan. Swami Karpatriji was the most popular
> teacher of Advaita Vedanta in Varanasi in his lifetime. He was also the
> great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in
> Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his
> pupils. There are some tales that he was a siddha purush. His certain
> pupils include Swami Nischalananda Swaraswati the present shankaracharya
> of Puri as well as Swami Chinmayananda Swaraswati the present
> Shankaracharya of Varanasi.[3]
>
>
>
> --- Ganga Seva Abhiyan is a nationwide movement initiated
> by Shri Shankaracharya Ganga Seva Nyas headed by H'nble Shankaracharya
> Shri Swaroopnand Saraswatiji Maharaj to ensure clean, pollution-free and
> embark this heritage river as National River of India. Under this
> movement saints, social workers, environmentalist, scientist and common
> people all across the country have joined hands and are organizing
> protest, public meetings, events, hunger strike etc. to show their
> commitment and solidarity towards this divine and holy river which holds
> an important place in Hindu mythology.
> Ganga Seva Abhiyan is complete peaceful and non-violence movement which
> has become a nationwide campaign under the ample guidance of Swami
> Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati ji ( disciple and representative of Sri
> Shankaracharya Swami Swaroopanand Saraswatiji Maharaj) which aims to
> protest against construction of dams and other form of obstacle formed
> over this holy river which hampers the flow and continuity of the river.
> The movement also aims to prevent the drainage of industrial waste and
> human pollutants flowing into the river along its long flow line
> --
>
> Akhil Bharatiya Ram Rajya Parishad (Hindi
> : à¤
à¤à¤¿à¤²
> à¤à¤¾à¤°à¤¤à¥à¤¯ राम राà¤à¥à¤¯
> परिषद, 'All India Council of Rama
> 's Kingdom'), was a traditionalist
> Hindu party in India
> . It was founded by Swami Karpatri
> (19051980) in 1948.
> The Ram Rajya Parishad won three Lok Sabha
> seats in the 1952 elections
> and two in
> the 1962 elections
>
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Some snipets:
http://jagadgurushankaracharya.org/ Swami Shree Swaroopananda Saraswati
ji was born Pothiram Upadhyay in 1924, in Dist. Seoni and village
Dighori area of Madhya Pradesh. At nine years old he left home to visit
the holy places of India, including Varanasi where he eventually studied
with Swami Karpatri (aka Hariharananda Saraswati), a disciple of Guru
Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. At 19 years old he became a freedom
fighter in the 'Quit India' movement (1942) and was known as
'Revolutionary Sadhu' (serving two prison sentences for same of 9 months
& 6 months). In 1950 Guru Dev made him a dandi sannyasi.
After Guru Dev's passing in 1953, Swarupanandji took up with a new guru,
Swami Krishnabhodashram ji Maharaj. Krishnabhodashramji was established
as Guru Dev's successor by Swami Karpatri
Swami Swarupanandji became president of the 'Ramrajya Parishad Party'
(set up by Swami Karpatri), and on Krishnabhodashram's demise the post
of Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math passed to Swami Swarupanandji. There
were now two Shankaracharya ashrams in Joshimath, Swami Swaroopanand's
being on the site of Trotakacharya's cave, just below the ashram that
Guru Dev Swami Brahmanand had built in the 1940's.
In 1982 Swami Swaroopanand inherited the title of Shankaracharya of
Dwarka.
--
wami Karpatri (SwÄmi KarpÄtrÄ«; 19051980; born as Har
Narayan Ojha in a village called Ojhawali in Barhalganj town area of
Gorakhpur district in eastern Uttar Pradesh, India[1][2]) was a monk in
the Hindu dashanami monastic tradition. His ordained name as a monk was
Hariharananda Saraswati, but he was popularly known by the name Karpatri
("he who uses his hand as a food vessel") Swami. He was married and the
father of a baby daughter when he left home at age 17 to seek ordination
as a sannyasi (monk). After his years of learning, including three years
in icy caves in the Himalaya, he was ordained as a monk. He was the
pupil of the very famous Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath Swami Brahmananda
Swaraswati. He was also the founder of Dharma Sangha in Varanasi. He
spent most of his life at Varanasi. He was a teacher in the Advaita
Vedanta tradition of Hindu philosophy. In 1948, he founded the Ram Rajya
Parishad, a traditionalist Hindu party. He also guided Alain
Daniélou, a noted French indologist into converting into Hinduism
under the name, Shiv Sharan. Swami Karpatriji was the most popular
teacher of Advaita Vedanta in Varanasi in his lifetime. He was also the
great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in
Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his
pupils. There are some tales that he was a siddha purush. His certain
pupils include Swami Nischalananda Swaraswati the present shankaracharya
of Puri as well as Swami Chinmayananda Swaraswati the present
Shankaracharya of Varanasi.[3]
--- Ganga Seva Abhiyan is a nationwide movement initiated
by Shri Shankaracharya Ganga Seva Nyas headed by H'nble Shankaracharya
Shri Swaroopnand Saraswatiji Maharaj to ensure clean, pollution-free and
embark this heritage river as National River of India. Under this
movement saints, social workers, environmentalist, scientist and common
people all across the country have joined hands and are organizing
protest, public meetings, events, hunger strike etc. to show their
commitment and solidarity towards this divine and holy river which holds
an important place in Hindu mythology.
Ganga Seva Abhiyan is complete peaceful and non-violence movement which
has become a nationwide campaign under the ample guidance of Swami
Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati ji ( disciple and representative of Sri
Shankaracharya Swami Swaroopanand Saraswatiji Maharaj) which aims to
protest against construction of dams and other form of obstacle formed
over this holy river which hampers the flow and continuity of the river.
The movement also aims to prevent the drainage of industrial waste and
human pollutants flowing into the river along its long flow line
--
Akhil Bharatiya Ram Rajya Parishad (Hindi
: à¤
à¤à¤¿à¤²
à¤à¤¾à¤°à¤¤à¥à¤¯ राम राà¤à¥à¤¯
परिषद, 'All India Council of Rama
's Kingdom'), was a traditionalist
Hindu party in India
. It was founded by Swami Karpatri
(19051980) in 1948.
The Ram Rajya Parishad won three Lok Sabha
seats in the 1952 elections
and two in
the 1962 elections
.[1]
In 1952,
1957 and 1962, it won several dozen Vidhan Sabha
seats, all in the Hindi
belt
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 11/05/2011 06:47 AM, Vaj wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:30 AM, seventhray1 wrote: > > > >> Thanks for the link. Just saw it for the first time. Very well done. > > > > What I'd like to see is an "extra" which includes the entire interview with > > the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. It has been transcribed and it is > > particularly damning to Mahesh yogi, as it touches on how his students are > > mis-pronouncing the mantras, the lack of understanding and proper teaching > > on bhava-tita (the transcendent), etc. It's quite liberating to hear. > > Let's hope David eventually releases it with subtitles. He could even > > release it as a separate mini-documentary, "An Interview with the > > Shankaracharya". Without ever mentioning Mahesh's spiritual incest it deals > > a final deathblow. > > Do you have a link to the transcription? I'd love to read it. One > expert in the field showed me the more traditional way of using the beej > mantras by themselves as a meditation. A bit removed from TM. > Here is a transcript of what appears to be a conversation between S & S from Paul Mason's site. I don't recall all of this in the film, though. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/TheLastInstruction.html "I was the desciple of Gurudev and had [been] taken into his fold through a ceremony called Dand Sanyaas which Mahesh Yogi could not get done as he was not a Brahman. Also Mahesh was his secretary and he was not Gurudev's disciple in any way but was a part of the administrative staff." "So far as I know he did not know anything about yoga so I have no idea how he became Yogi. But he was very smart and shrewd. He was responsible for the controversy over Shankaracharya's here in Jyotirmath. He wanted to put up here a Shankaracharya who would listen to him. That was his motive behind dividing the Jyotirmath." "After Gurudev's demise he spread the news that there is a will made by Gurudev on his name and that claims him to be Gurudev`s disciple..." "The will named four people- the first name was Shantanand, second DwarkaPrasad Shastri, third name was Vishnudevanand and fourth name was Parmanand. Now when the will was opened for reading it turned out that Shantanand did not understand Sanskrit, he used to work for Geeta press on the salary of 14 rupees per month and thus was not capable enough, secondly, Dwarkaprasad Shastri, was a married man with family, thirdly, Vishnudevanand, was not educated enough and fourth, Parmanand, who was M.A., his big toe on the right leg was amputed and a disabled [person] is not given Sanyaas, thus he was nullified. Thus the four were rejected and Swami Krishnabodhashramji was made Shankaracharya but Mahesh Yogi instigated Shantanand to fight the court case. He was given a car and money and all other assistance and help." "Now Sita Saraf was in Kolkatta when Gurudev passed away and she along with Mahesh played out a drama claiming that they asked Gurudev to accept their lives but Gurudev refused and passed away. It was also spread far and wide that when Gurudev's soul was leaving his body, Mahesh Yogi's soul was also exit-ing but Gurudev pushed his soul back because Mahesh had to complete Gurudev's incomplete work for which he had to go abroad!!!" "Also, as per the will that was revealed, it stated clearly that the order of succession was to be Shantanand, Dwarkaprasad Shastri, Vishnudevanand and Parmanand. However all of them passed away in exactly the reverse order! If Gurudev, who has the far sight to forsee such events, had written the will, how could they all pass away in exactly the reverse order??" "Therefore, if this is so, that he was a 'siddha mahatma', why was this in reverse order?" - Swami Swaroopanand, speaking to film-maker David Sieveking, 22nd May 2009
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 11/05/2011 06:47 AM, Vaj wrote: > > What I'd like to see is an "extra" which includes the entire interview with > > the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. It has been transcribed and it is > > particularly damning to Mahesh yogi, as it touches on how his students are > > mis-pronouncing the mantras, the lack of understanding and proper teaching > > on bhava-tita (the transcendent), etc. It's quite liberating to hear. > > Let's hope David eventually releases it with subtitles. He could even > > release it as a separate mini-documentary, "An Interview with the > > Shankaracharya". Without ever mentioning Mahesh's spiritual incest it deals > > a final deathblow. > > Do you have a link to the transcription? I'd love to read it. If Vaj is referring to the 1986 Kropinski interview with Swaroopanand, it's available here: http://www.minet.org/Documents/index.html Scroll down the list. It's in five parts. I'm not sure this is what was shown in "David Wants to Fly," however, because I don't believe the Kropinski interview was filmed.
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On 11/05/2011 06:47 AM, Vaj wrote: > On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:30 AM, seventhray1 wrote: > >> Thanks for the link. Just saw it for the first time. Very well done. > > What I'd like to see is an "extra" which includes the entire interview with > the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. It has been transcribed and it is > particularly damning to Mahesh yogi, as it touches on how his students are > mis-pronouncing the mantras, the lack of understanding and proper teaching on > bhava-tita (the transcendent), etc. It's quite liberating to hear. Let's > hope David eventually releases it with subtitles. He could even release it as > a separate mini-documentary, "An Interview with the Shankaracharya". Without > ever mentioning Mahesh's spiritual incest it deals a final deathblow. Do you have a link to the transcription? I'd love to read it. One expert in the field showed me the more traditional way of using the beej mantras by themselves as a meditation. A bit removed from TM. BTW, LinkTV is on some cable networks. Apparently on channel 27 on Comcast and Astound in San Francisco on the weekends. It's often hard to tell as the channels may say "local access" or "paid programming" for listings.
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Vaj: > What I'd like to see is an "extra" which includes > the entire interview with the Shankaracharya of > Jyotir Math... > You lose all credibility when you play the caste card. Everyone knows that the Shankaracharya tradition in India is based on a person's birth circumstances. I would not believe a single thing the 'Shankaracharya' in India had to say about anything. If the only source Vaj can provide is the words of a caste monger like Svarupanand, then I'll take MMY's words of wisdom anyday! Vaj can stick to his Hindu quasi- Buddhist religion if he wants to, but he should stop all the fibbing about the MMY and the Shankaracharyas of India. If I had been the Maharishi, I wouldn't have wanted to be associated with any of the Shankaracharyas sitting on their seats in India today. I don't see how any Shankaracharya could be enlightened and still promote the Indian caste system like they do. It's just outrageous! So, to my mind, the Maharsihi was like a breath of fresh air compared to any of the Shankaracharyas that restrict spiritual teaching to their own caste. I can see no reason a person born in Texas, or anywhere else, couldn't be a TMer and reach enlightenment. So, who but Vaj would want to be associated with the casteism, promoted in the name of religion by the Shankaryacharya Svarupanand? Or, that other Shank-pretender, the one in jail for murder over in Kanchi. Or, that Shank Swami on the run down in Mexico, the guy that spread the false rumor that MMY murdered Guru Dev? Or, that Vaj guru, the Swami Rama of the Himalayas, the guru that Vaj said he visited once, the one convicted of raping a female yoga student. So, far from proving that MMY killed anyone, when the facts come out, we can clearly see that the whole Vaj claim just get blown to bits. Not to mention tampering with mutt records. The real question is why ALL the fibbing if Vaj really isn't and never was a TM Teacher? Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? Nobody can figure this one. Senior VHP leader Acharya Giriraj Kishore sees a conspiracy behind the arrest of the two Shankaracharyas of Kanchi Mutt. Read more: http://rwilliams.blogspot.com/
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On 11/05/2011 08:14 AM, wgm4u wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: >> >> On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:30 AM, seventhray1 wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the link. Just saw it for the first time. Very well done. >> >> What I'd like to see is an "extra" which includes the entire interview with >> the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. It has been transcribed and it is >> particularly damning to Mahesh yogi, as it touches on how his students are >> mis-pronouncing the mantras, the lack of understanding and proper teaching >> on bhava-tita (the transcendent), etc. It's quite liberating to hear. Let's >> hope David eventually releases it with subtitles. He could even release it >> as a separate mini-documentary, "An Interview with the Shankaracharya". >> Without ever mentioning Mahesh's spiritual incest it deals a final deathblow. > MMY NEVER claimed to be a Sat-Guru (as stated by the Shankaracharya in the > film) so right off the bat he has misunderstood MMY! I wouldn't be > intimidated by his title, he probably has no more/or less enlightenment than > MMY. Enlightenment isn't a sports competition. You're either experiencing it or you're not. And it will grow on you. ;-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:30 AM, seventhray1 wrote: > > > Thanks for the link. Just saw it for the first time. Very well done. > > > What I'd like to see is an "extra" which includes the entire interview with > the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. It has been transcribed and it is > particularly damning to Mahesh yogi, as it touches on how his students are > mis-pronouncing the mantras, the lack of understanding and proper teaching on > bhava-tita (the transcendent), etc. It's quite liberating to hear. Let's > hope David eventually releases it with subtitles. He could even release it as > a separate mini-documentary, "An Interview with the Shankaracharya". Without > ever mentioning Mahesh's spiritual incest it deals a final deathblow. MMY NEVER claimed to be a Sat-Guru (as stated by the Shankaracharya in the film) so right off the bat he has misunderstood MMY! I wouldn't be intimidated by his title, he probably has no more/or less enlightenment than MMY.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > She makes it clear in her book, although doesn't indulge in explicit > details. > > Kaplan interview interesting. > > Yeah, but I thought he misinterpreted MMY's point about "do less and > accomplish more". Clearly, that's a no-brainer, the more rested you are the better decisions you make, just for starters! His most poignant comment was the one that acknowledged MMY had no idea what would happen if a 10,000 group was formed in India (or anywhere). Kaplan was a product of MMY and his *Yoga-lite for modernity* had MMY been more upfront about what and why he was teaching the way he was Kaplan may have been more informed (Thank God for Charlie Lutes, many still meditate because of him).
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On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:30 AM, seventhray1 wrote: > Thanks for the link. Just saw it for the first time. Very well done. What I'd like to see is an "extra" which includes the entire interview with the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. It has been transcribed and it is particularly damning to Mahesh yogi, as it touches on how his students are mis-pronouncing the mantras, the lack of understanding and proper teaching on bhava-tita (the transcendent), etc. It's quite liberating to hear. Let's hope David eventually releases it with subtitles. He could even release it as a separate mini-documentary, "An Interview with the Shankaracharya". Without ever mentioning Mahesh's spiritual incest it deals a final deathblow.
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Thanks for the link. Just saw it for the first time. Very well done. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > David Wants to Fly - the whole thing - is now viewable on > http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-fly >
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wgm4u Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 10:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: DOC-DEBUT: David Wants to Fly | Link TV --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "wgm4u" wrote: > > Thanks Rick and Vaj...watching it now! > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > David Wants to Fly - the whole thing - is now viewable on > > http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-fly One-sided, but sad none the less. Not particularly good film making but interesting if you're involved in some way or another. The best part is the last half with the interviews, though Ms. Borque never outright said she had SEX with MMY, (at least in the film), she implies it, she may have been lying...? She makes it clear in her book, although doesn't indulge in explicit details. Kaplan interview interesting. Yeah, but I thought he misinterpreted MMY's point about "do less and accomplish more".
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > > Thanks Rick and Vaj...watching it now! > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > David Wants to Fly - the whole thing - is now viewable on > > http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-fly One-sided, but sad none the less. Not particularly good film making but interesting if you're involved in some way or another. The best part is the last half with the interviews, though Ms. Borque never outright said she had SEX with MMY, (at least in the film), she implies it, she may have been lying...? Kaplan interview interesting.
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Thanks Rick and Vaj...watching it now! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > David Wants to Fly - the whole thing - is now viewable on > http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-fly >
