[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelson" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > You exist for some reason and I tend to think the rest of > > > > the universe does also. > > > > > > The 'YMMV' at the end of my post stands for > > > 'Your Mileage May Vary.' Obviously it does. > > > > > > I see no reason to assume that there is a > > > reason for my existence in the universe. To > > > do so would entail postulating that the > > > universe is sentient unto itself. I do not > > > so assume. > > > > > > But you can assume it if you want. When you > > > figure out what my purpose is, drop me a line > > > and share it with me, eh? :-) > > > > I think it was D. Shimoda that said "you are here to find > > out why you are here" sounds logical enough. > > I don't see why you are pursuing this. I have > said clearly that if you want to spend your > life trying to figure out the "reason" for > your being here, that's fine with me. It's > fine with me if D. Shimoda feels the same way. > > Me, I'd rather spend my life *being* here. > That is fine with me- I just percieved you as being more than the result of random chaos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelson" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > You exist for some reason and I tend to think the rest of > > > the universe does also. > > > > The 'YMMV' at the end of my post stands for > > 'Your Mileage May Vary.' Obviously it does. > > > > I see no reason to assume that there is a > > reason for my existence in the universe. To > > do so would entail postulating that the > > universe is sentient unto itself. I do not > > so assume. > > > > But you can assume it if you want. When you > > figure out what my purpose is, drop me a line > > and share it with me, eh? :-) > > I think it was D. Shimoda that said "you are here to find > out why you are here" sounds logical enough. I don't see why you are pursuing this. I have said clearly that if you want to spend your life trying to figure out the "reason" for your being here, that's fine with me. It's fine with me if D. Shimoda feels the same way. Me, I'd rather spend my life *being* here. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelson" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelson" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of "simple stories," how's this one: > > > > > The universe simply exists, > > > > snip,, > > > >Why? > > > > > > Why not? :-) > > > > > > More seriously, by even asking such a question > > > you are anthropomorphizing the universe, project- > > > ing onto it a "reason" for its existence. No such > > > reason may exist, no more than it does for the > > > existence of a rock, or your own existence. > > > > > > Humans would *like* there to be a reason, a "Why" > > > that makes them feel better about things. To > > > ponder and search for such a reason seems to be > > > human nature. But that doesn't mean that such a > > > reason exists. > > > > > > I am merely stating that I am as comfortable with > > > a universe that has NO reason or "Why" for its > > > existence as I am with one that has such a reason. > > > That *frees* me to invent my *own* reasons for > > > living the way I feel is best. That seems a more > > > intelligent way to live my life than to just accept > > > what someone else tells me is the "Why" of it all. > > > YMMV. > > > > You exist for some reason and I tend to think the rest of > > the universe does also. > > The 'YMMV' at the end of my post stands for > 'Your Mileage May Vary.' Obviously it does. > > I see no reason to assume that there is a > reason for my existence in the universe. To > do so would entail postulating that the > universe is sentient unto itself. I do not > so assume. > > But you can assume it if you want. When you > figure out what my purpose is, drop me a line > and share it with me, eh? :-) > I think it was D. Shimoda that said "you are here to find out why you are here" sounds logical enough.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelson" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelson" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > Speaking of "simple stories," how's this one: > > > > The universe simply exists, > > > snip,, > > >Why? > > > > Why not? :-) > > > > More seriously, by even asking such a question > > you are anthropomorphizing the universe, project- > > ing onto it a "reason" for its existence. No such > > reason may exist, no more than it does for the > > existence of a rock, or your own existence. > > > > Humans would *like* there to be a reason, a "Why" > > that makes them feel better about things. To > > ponder and search for such a reason seems to be > > human nature. But that doesn't mean that such a > > reason exists. > > > > I am merely stating that I am as comfortable with > > a universe that has NO reason or "Why" for its > > existence as I am with one that has such a reason. > > That *frees* me to invent my *own* reasons for > > living the way I feel is best. That seems a more > > intelligent way to live my life than to just accept > > what someone else tells me is the "Why" of it all. > > YMMV. > > You exist for some reason and I tend to think the rest of > the universe does also. The 'YMMV' at the end of my post stands for 'Your Mileage May Vary.' Obviously it does. I see no reason to assume that there is a reason for my existence in the universe. To do so would entail postulating that the universe is sentient unto itself. I do not so assume. But you can assume it if you want. When you figure out what my purpose is, drop me a line and share it with me, eh? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelson" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > Speaking of "simple stories," how's this one: > > > The universe simply exists, > > snip,, > >Why? > > Why not? :-) > > More seriously, by even asking such a question > you are anthropomorphizing the universe, project- > ing onto it a "reason" for its existence. No such > reason may exist, no more than it does for the > existence of a rock, or your own existence. > > Humans would *like* there to be a reason, a "Why" > that makes them feel better about things. To > ponder and search for such a reason seems to be > human nature. But that doesn't mean that such a > reason exists. > > I am merely stating that I am as comfortable with > a universe that has NO reason or "Why" for its > existence as I am with one that has such a reason. > That *frees* me to invent my *own* reasons for > living the way I feel is best. That seems a more > intelligent way to live my life than to just accept > what someone else tells me is the "Why" of it all. > YMMV. > You exist for some reason and I tend to think the rest of the universe does also.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelson" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > Speaking of "simple stories," how's this one: > > The universe simply exists, > snip,, >Why? Why not? :-) More seriously, by even asking such a question you are anthropomorphizing the universe, project- ing onto it a "reason" for its existence. No such reason may exist, no more than it does for the existence of a rock, or your own existence. Humans would *like* there to be a reason, a "Why" that makes them feel better about things. To ponder and search for such a reason seems to be human nature. But that doesn't mean that such a reason exists. I am merely stating that I am as comfortable with a universe that has NO reason or "Why" for its existence as I am with one that has such a reason. That *frees* me to invent my *own* reasons for living the way I feel is best. That seems a more intelligent way to live my life than to just accept what someone else tells me is the "Why" of it all. YMMV.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > Speaking of "simple stories," how's this one: > The universe simply exists, snip,, Why?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > Speaking of "simple stories," how's this one: > The universe simply exists, devoid of either > God or Satan. Humans who cannot cope with this > make up stories with Good Guys and Bad Guys > in them to pretend that they comprehend the > incomprehensible. > > Now...did I "attack" you by presenting that > view of existence? Was it "toxic?" :-) You may deny God and Satan, just names, but can you deny the existence of the negative and positive magnetism of the Atom? Probably not, essentially it's the same thing. Nobody is attacking you..the *theory* is, if you wish to see it that way. Believing in such theories as the law of karma does not give one the license to sit in judgment of anyone that's not it's purpose, it's for US to understand and make sense of life, and using these tools of knowledge (theory) construct our lives accordingly. FWIW. Ultimately it's all theory until we experience it for ourselves, then it's fact!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
Speaking of "simple stories," how's this one: The universe simply exists, devoid of either God or Satan. Humans who cannot cope with this make up stories with Good Guys and Bad Guys in them to pretend that they comprehend the incomprehensible. Now...did I "attack" you by presenting that view of existence? Was it "toxic?" :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > John Milton, the writer of Paradise Lost, would agree with you that Satan > > is a fallen angel. But many people would question the idea that Satan > > created the universe. Wasn't the Garden of Eden created by the Divine > > Father? > > It's a simple story meant to illustrate a rather complex phenomenon. Satan is > the negative power also called apara-prakriti, (impure nature) it maintains > creation in it's state *separate* from God. The positive power or > para-prakriti is the power of attraction which brings one back to Unity. > Without the pulling negative power all things would revert back to the > creator or Unity and the *show* (Lila shakti) would be over. > > > In vedic literature, the asuras, rakshasas, or demons have unusual powers > > but they are considered below the level of human beings consciousness. > > They merely counterbalance the positive force, both are necessary to maintain > creation, even in the atom. It is our freewill that determines our destiny, > if we yield to that negative 'pull' we pay the consequences but also 'learn' > from our mistake, hence the purpose of creation (evolution) is fulfilled > either way. > > > That's the positive spin to the devil's work. But he also wants to > > subjugate human beings who buy into the devil's plan of world domination. > > The negative power is constantly trying to pull man back into creation or > delusion, just like the positive and negative force of the atom, the Yin and > the Yang, and the whole field of opposites exit only in *relation* to one > another. It is the duality that is necessary for 'creation', spirit is ONE. > > > But there is a theological thought stating that the devil took his duty for > > the love of the Divine Being. However, most people would disagree with > > this idea. He actually wants to take over the Heavens too. Is that > > possible? > > Satan or the negative power gets all of his power from God, remember Jesus > the Christ said he could summon legions of angels to destroy Satan but he did > not. Satan is only relevant if we make him so by yielding to his temptations, > when we rise above them through the superior experience of God/bliss we are > free... > > Without Satan, the illusion of the many from the one could not exist. Maya is > the *magical measurer* or makes things seem separate from the one spirit, > Satan is the embodiment of that negative force. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > John Milton, the writer of Paradise Lost, would agree with you that Satan is > a fallen angel. But many people would question the idea that Satan created > the universe. Wasn't the Garden of Eden created by the Divine Father? It's a simple story meant to illustrate a rather complex phenomenon. Satan is the negative power also called apara-prakriti, (impure nature) it maintains creation in it's state *separate* from God. The positive power or para-prakriti is the power of attraction which brings one back to Unity. Without the pulling negative power all things would revert back to the creator or Unity and the *show* (Lila shakti) would be over. > In vedic literature, the asuras, rakshasas, or demons have unusual powers but > they are considered below the level of human beings consciousness. They merely counterbalance the positive force, both are necessary to maintain creation, even in the atom. It is our freewill that determines our destiny, if we yield to that negative 'pull' we pay the consequences but also 'learn' from our mistake, hence the purpose of creation (evolution) is fulfilled either way. > That's the positive spin to the devil's work. But he also wants to subjugate > human beings who buy into the devil's plan of world domination. The negative power is constantly trying to pull man back into creation or delusion, just like the positive and negative force of the atom, the Yin and the Yang, and the whole field of opposites exit only in *relation* to one another. It is the duality that is necessary for 'creation', spirit is ONE. > But there is a theological thought stating that the devil took his duty for > the love of the Divine Being. However, most people would disagree with this > idea. He actually wants to take over the Heavens too. Is that possible? Satan or the negative power gets all of his power from God, remember Jesus the Christ said he could summon legions of angels to destroy Satan but he did not. Satan is only relevant if we make him so by yielding to his temptations, when we rise above them through the superior experience of God/bliss we are free... Without Satan, the illusion of the many from the one could not exist. Maya is the *magical measurer* or makes things seem separate from the one spirit, Satan is the embodiment of that negative force.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > He is the figure for a person in bondage who is attached to > > > > > > money and the material world. In other words, he is a miser. > > > > > > Does that sound familiar to anyone? > > > > > > > > > > yeah...to everyone! Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and > > > > > fallen short of the glory of God. > > > > > > > > Now THAT, Billy, is why you will never be on my > > > > "Do Not Bother To Read List." > > > > > > > > There was *compassion* in that post, almost as if > > > > you could include yourself in the group that has > > > > "sinned and fallen short..." > > > > > > > > NOT that I believe in either "sin" or "fallen short." > > > > It's just that I believe in 1) hope, 2) compassion > > > > and forgiveness, and 3) the redeeming value of a > > > > sense of humor more. > > > > > > > > You have a sense of humor, Billy. No matter how much > > > > we may disagree about mere ideas and beliefs, that > > > > puts you on a very different plane for me than those > > > > who...uh...haveth not. > > > > > > > > JohnR cast those who have "fallen short" in his eyes > > > > as "a person in bondage." You did not. > > > > > > > > Instead, you (whether it was conscious or not) did > > > > not necessarily *exclude* them from those you consider > > > > liberated, but *included* them in the greater idea of > > > > those of us (ALL of us) who have at one point or > > > > another "fallen short" of that which we'd like to > > > > believe about ourselves. Or ourSelves. Or our Self. > > > > > > > > That was OK in my book. That shows that no matter how > > > > much we may disagree about pissant-level nitpicks, we > > > > agree on something larger, something more "high level," > > > > if such a thing as "high" were to exist. > > > > > > Well, I'm speechless but thank you for the generous comment. > > > I hope after what I am about to say you won't withdraw the > > > compliment. :-) > > > > > > We are all (with a very few exceptions) under Satan's power! > > > > There is no Satan. But if you'd prefer to believe > > in one, I find that no more offensive than you > > believing in Santa Claus, or that there is no > > such thing as global warming. :-) > > Satan's power is the power of Maya or illusion. Metaphorically Satan (the > devil) was a fallen angel, that is, he 'fell' from heaven and created the > universe as we know it. John Milton, the writer of Paradise Lost, would agree with you that Satan is a fallen angel. But many people would question the idea that Satan created the universe. Wasn't the Garden of Eden created by the Divine Father? In vedic literature, the asuras, rakshasas, or demons have unusual powers but they are considered below the level of human beings consciousness. > We humans have fallen into his maze of illusion, his mission is to bring out > the divinity in us through temptation, when all have been saved (as is the > divine plan) his work will be finished and he will be no more...:-) > That's the positive spin to the devil's work. But he also wants to subjugate human beings who buy into the devil's plan of world domination. But there is a theological thought stating that the devil took his duty for the love of the Divine Being. However, most people would disagree with this idea. He actually wants to take over the Heavens too. Is that possible?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > He is the figure for a person in bondage who is attached to > > > > > money and the material world. In other words, he is a miser. > > > > > Does that sound familiar to anyone? > > > > > > > > yeah...to everyone! Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and > > > > fallen short of the glory of God. > > > > > > Now THAT, Billy, is why you will never be on my > > > "Do Not Bother To Read List." > > > > > > There was *compassion* in that post, almost as if > > > you could include yourself in the group that has > > > "sinned and fallen short..." > > > > > > NOT that I believe in either "sin" or "fallen short." > > > It's just that I believe in 1) hope, 2) compassion > > > and forgiveness, and 3) the redeeming value of a > > > sense of humor more. > > > > > > You have a sense of humor, Billy. No matter how much > > > we may disagree about mere ideas and beliefs, that > > > puts you on a very different plane for me than those > > > who...uh...haveth not. > > > > > > JohnR cast those who have "fallen short" in his eyes > > > as "a person in bondage." You did not. > > > > > > Instead, you (whether it was conscious or not) did > > > not necessarily *exclude* them from those you consider > > > liberated, but *included* them in the greater idea of > > > those of us (ALL of us) who have at one point or > > > another "fallen short" of that which we'd like to > > > believe about ourselves. Or ourSelves. Or our Self. > > > > > > That was OK in my book. That shows that no matter how > > > much we may disagree about pissant-level nitpicks, we > > > agree on something larger, something more "high level," > > > if such a thing as "high" were to exist. > > > > Well, I'm speechless but thank you for the generous comment. > > I hope after what I am about to say you won't withdraw the > > compliment. :-) > > > > We are all (with a very few exceptions) under Satan's power! > > There is no Satan. But if you'd prefer to believe > in one, I find that no more offensive than you > believing in Santa Claus, or that there is no > such thing as global warming. :-) Satan's power is the power of Maya or illusion. Metaphorically Satan (the devil) was a fallen angel, that is, he 'fell' from heaven and created the universe as we know it. We humans have fallen into his maze of illusion, his mission is to bring out the divinity in us through temptation, when all have been saved (as is the divine plan) his work will be finished and he will be no more...:-) "to save of all from Satan's power when we had gone astray", meditation infuses the Christ power. Also, refer to MMY's flower analogy, same thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > He is the figure for a person in bondage who is attached to > > > > money and the material world. In other words, he is a miser. > > > > Does that sound familiar to anyone? > > > > > > yeah...to everyone! Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and > > > fallen short of the glory of God. > > > > Now THAT, Billy, is why you will never be on my > > "Do Not Bother To Read List." > > > > There was *compassion* in that post, almost as if > > you could include yourself in the group that has > > "sinned and fallen short..." > > > > NOT that I believe in either "sin" or "fallen short." > > It's just that I believe in 1) hope, 2) compassion > > and forgiveness, and 3) the redeeming value of a > > sense of humor more. > > > > You have a sense of humor, Billy. No matter how much > > we may disagree about mere ideas and beliefs, that > > puts you on a very different plane for me than those > > who...uh...haveth not. > > > > JohnR cast those who have "fallen short" in his eyes > > as "a person in bondage." You did not. > > > > Instead, you (whether it was conscious or not) did > > not necessarily *exclude* them from those you consider > > liberated, but *included* them in the greater idea of > > those of us (ALL of us) who have at one point or > > another "fallen short" of that which we'd like to > > believe about ourselves. Or ourSelves. Or our Self. > > > > That was OK in my book. That shows that no matter how > > much we may disagree about pissant-level nitpicks, we > > agree on something larger, something more "high level," > > if such a thing as "high" were to exist. > > Well, I'm speechless but thank you for the generous comment. > I hope after what I am about to say you won't withdraw the > compliment. :-) > > We are all (with a very few exceptions) under Satan's power! There is no Satan. But if you'd prefer to believe in one, I find that no more offensive than you believing in Santa Claus, or that there is no such thing as global warming. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > He is the figure for a person in bondage who is attached to > > > money and the material world. In other words, he is a miser. > > > Does that sound familiar to anyone? > > > > yeah...to everyone! Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and > > fallen short of the glory of God. > > Now THAT, Billy, is why you will never be on my > "Do Not Bother To Read List." > > There was *compassion* in that post, almost as if > you could include yourself in the group that has > "sinned and fallen short..." > > NOT that I believe in either "sin" or "fallen short." > It's just that I believe in 1) hope, 2) compassion > and forgiveness, and 3) the redeeming value of a > sense of humor more. > > You have a sense of humor, Billy. No matter how much > we may disagree about mere ideas and beliefs, that > puts you on a very different plane for me than those > who...uh...haveth not. > > JohnR cast those who have "fallen short" in his eyes > as "a person in bondage." You did not. > > Instead, you (whether it was conscious or not) did > not necessarily *exclude* them from those you consider > liberated, but *included* them in the greater idea of > those of us (ALL of us) who have at one point or > another "fallen short" of that which we'd like to > believe about ourselves. Or ourSelves. Or our Self. > > That was OK in my book. That shows that no matter how > much we may disagree about pissant-level nitpicks, we > agree on something larger, something more "high level," > if such a thing as "high" were to exist. Well, I'm speechless but thank you for the generous comment. I hope after what I am about to say you won't withdraw the compliment. :-) We are all (with a very few exceptions) under Satan's power! As it says in the Christmas carolChrist was born (in our consciousness) "to save us all from Satan's power" who has us under a hypnotic spell of lust, greed, or attachment and so forth. Only the Christ power infused during correct meditation can finally save us from this damnable plight.. ..truly tidings of comfort and joy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEPhGrErQ3Q
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > He is the figure for a person in bondage who is attached to > > money and the material world. In other words, he is a miser. > > Does that sound familiar to anyone? > > yeah...to everyone! Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and > fallen short of the glory of God. Now THAT, Billy, is why you will never be on my "Do Not Bother To Read List." There was *compassion* in that post, almost as if you could include yourself in the group that has "sinned and fallen short..." NOT that I believe in either "sin" or "fallen short." It's just that I believe in 1) hope, 2) compassion and forgiveness, and 3) the redeeming value of a sense of humor more. You have a sense of humor, Billy. No matter how much we may disagree about mere ideas and beliefs, that puts you on a very different plane for me than those who...uh...haveth not. JohnR cast those who have "fallen short" in his eyes as "a person in bondage." You did not. Instead, you (whether it was conscious or not) did not necessarily *exclude* them from those you consider liberated, but *included* them in the greater idea of those of us (ALL of us) who have at one point or another "fallen short" of that which we'd like to believe about ourselves. Or ourSelves. Or our Self. That was OK in my book. That shows that no matter how much we may disagree about pissant-level nitpicks, we agree on something larger, something more "high level," if such a thing as "high" were to exist.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > He is the figure for a person in bondage who is attached to money and the > material world. In other words, he is a miser. Does that sound familiar to > anyone? yeah...to everyone! Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebineezer Scrooge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > He is the figure for a person in bondage who is attached to > money and the material world. In other words, he is a miser. > Does that sound familiar to anyone? Maharishi? :-) :-) :-)
