[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
Re "I did a Ventriloquist magic show at South Fallsberg a million years ago for a bunch of Mother Divine types.": A YouTube video of that performance would have been priceless. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Curtis, I actually read this message from Doug rather differently. The section below seems to be referring to younger TMers at the university who are pointing out to older TM-movement types that some of the language they use contains these "micro-inequities." The young people are not so trained in TM-speak as the older ones, so they are trying to educate them about the limitations or unconscious biases of the TM-speak that has been second nature to TM campus folk for thirty years and more. Here's the passage I am referring to: Me: Yes I agree with you. Sometimes the push to limit free speech comes from the students as in this case which is why Jerry wont play gigs on campuses. But the details are not the problem that I am seeing. Whatever the vague standard they are proposing it is the same routine the establishment runs. Make a statement like "only positivity will be tolerated" and then you can go after anyone you want. But you are bringing up a cool point about the oppressors being called on language by the students. It is hilarious. They are going to make the PC people more PC in a different PC way! I did a Ventriloquist magic show at South Fallsberg a million years ago for a bunch of Mother Divine types. My contact was an old MIU friend and former World Government "Lady." She went over my routine over the show and was very concerned that the dynamic between me and my vent figure partner was not satvic enough because he was making fun of me. Gutting comedic drama of anything that anyone could view as possibly negitive was what she was requesting. Interestingly, the millennial meditating generation that is present participating in this is not sitting still at all for old patriarchal ways and they are quite studied in their push and their holding some elder feet to the fire. If I am correct, this actually would be a positive development from the point of view of those who dislike traditional TM-speak. It's not always possible to tell from Doug's posts exactly what he has in mind, so I could be wrong, but that is how I read it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes, as some are affirming here the Yahoo-groups guidelines are a lot about civility and how things are said. Yes it is about civility and facilitating communal well-being for individuals in [safe] collaborative communal organization. With this it seems a lot of thought has been put in to the Yahoo-groups guidelines by folks at Yahoo. Me: If I didn't know who wrote it, I would have to assume this was a parody. You are taking the approach that is appropriate for the pre-schools I teach in or an exclusive POV group like TM. Two things stick out for me: One is the assumption that the unenforced Yahoo guidelines are some kind of Vedic scripture and were not banged out by 20 something's from the corporate lawyer's guidelines. You are taking them as some kind of profound message for how to both condescendingly coddle and at the same time control other adults engaged in free conversations. Two is that you are following a long historical line of people who value form over content and seem incapable of tolerating the way people who care about content engage in the process. When I am in a heated debate and someone calls me a name, it is very easy to label it for what it is, a sophistic tactic to distract from the weakness of the argument or their lack of ability to mount one. Often the back and forth of diverse opinions can inspire someone to mouth off a little. But that is because they are engaged, they care, they give a s-- oh wait, I just got a memo from the inhibitory part of my brain that alerts me that in your mind, you might bounce me if I use bad language You don't want passionate people who are emotionally behind their ideas and willing to hash it out in discussion. If I put some new age music behind what you wrote I could use it to go to sleep. You are taking the Kim Kardashian approach to the exchange of ideas. All Spanx and nothing behind the eyes. Buck:The yahoo guidelines seem very much like a re-structuring and looking at language that is happening a lot of places and also ongoing within the TM movement itself to help folks figure out civil processes. Like between and within the different elements as in the case of TM, of what or who is TM. I was in movement working committee meetings yesterday on campus where a focus of discussion was looking for actionable remedy to some really poor behavior and culture in language-ing that can hold 'stealth-mores' and 'micro-inequities' that some may not realize they a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
That's ok. I am enjoying the seeming chaos (-:
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
salyavin, actually it's a bit of a 3 ring circus now with people on all 3 sites
talking about the other sites! Wonder if that will settle out...well, you made
a good try with your Scientology post. Just curious, how come you're not
posting on
FFL2?
I shall try and post across the ever growing diaspora of FFL, might be tricky
keeping track of it all though!
I shall sort out a Salyavin email address so I don't get confused...
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 1:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Has MJ been banished too? Is it karma that has come a full circle? It appears
that Nature has a way of cleaning up the forum to pave a new phase for FFL.
Yes indeed, MJ is over on the naughty step with the other miscreants. So it's a
new phase for sure, but is it a better one? Maybe when people here stop talking
about people there and post some stuff we'll see what we've lost without the
wit and wisdom of the forcibly departed.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
"insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others"?
MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You
perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by
MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see.
Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily
justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the
right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to
exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now?
Happy to help.
Your friends are waiting in the sandbox.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a
misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech.
IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing
and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be
fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so.
It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which
you would be well advised to amend.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning
aboutthe creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun
forlong by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Makingstraw-men may
suffice for some while and keep them from tearing ateach other for some time.
The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventuallywill find and rule them where ever they
may go as they meet up withkind people in civil society. A character of
violence in civilsociety often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the
asocialtend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that,
Alex.-JaiGuruYou
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter
to me. Just letting you know it's there.
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Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I
think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On FFL2, your Salyavin screen name shows up on your posts when viewed on the group website, but it's not on your posts when received via email. Switching to a Salyavin email address on FFL2 would put all the confusion to rest. OK, thanks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin is posting on FFL2, but FFL2 is not configured with Yahoo's anonymity system, so posts show up with an email address and not a Yahoo handle. Does my screen name come up at the bottom of posts as they appear in the message list on FFL2? Perhaps I can't tell because I'm logged in... I'm not the least bit bothered that Ravi posts here as he pleases, even though he is supposedly banned, but the security hole that lets him do it is not something I wanted configured into the new group. It's easy to make an anonymous email address, and there are a number of different free and paid options for VPN/proxies that will hide your IP address. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : salyavin, actually it's a bit of a 3 ring circus now with people on all 3 sites talking about the other sites! Wonder if that will settle out...well, you made a good try with your Scientology post. Just curious, how come you're not posting on FFL2? From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 1:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Has MJ been banished too? Is it karma that has come a full circle? It appears that Nature has a way of cleaning up the forum to pave a new phase for FFL. Yes indeed, MJ is over on the naughty step with the other miscreants. So it's a new phase for sure, but is it a better one? Maybe when people here stop talking about people there and post some stuff we'll see what we've lost without the wit and wisdom of the forcibly departed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others"? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. Your friends are waiting in the sandbox. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
On FFL2, your Salyavin screen name shows up on your posts when viewed on the group website, but it's not on your posts when received via email. Switching to a Salyavin email address on FFL2 would put all the confusion to rest. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin is posting on FFL2, but FFL2 is not configured with Yahoo's anonymity system, so posts show up with an email address and not a Yahoo handle. Does my screen name come up at the bottom of posts as they appear in the message list on FFL2? Perhaps I can't tell because I'm logged in... I'm not the least bit bothered that Ravi posts here as he pleases, even though he is supposedly banned, but the security hole that lets him do it is not something I wanted configured into the new group. It's easy to make an anonymous email address, and there are a number of different free and paid options for VPN/proxies that will hide your IP address. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : salyavin, actually it's a bit of a 3 ring circus now with people on all 3 sites talking about the other sites! Wonder if that will settle out...well, you made a good try with your Scientology post. Just curious, how come you're not posting on FFL2? From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 1:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Has MJ been banished too? Is it karma that has come a full circle? It appears that Nature has a way of cleaning up the forum to pave a new phase for FFL. Yes indeed, MJ is over on the naughty step with the other miscreants. So it's a new phase for sure, but is it a better one? Maybe when people here stop talking about people there and post some stuff we'll see what we've lost without the wit and wisdom of the forcibly departed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others"? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. Your friends are waiting in the sandbox. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : salyavin, actually it's a bit of a 3 ring circus now with people on all 3 sites talking about the other sites! Wonder if that will settle out...well, you made a good try with your Scientology post. Just curious, how come you're not posting on FFL2? I shall try and post across the ever growing diaspora of FFL, might be tricky keeping track of it all though! I shall sort out a Salyavin email address so I don't get confused... From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 1:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Has MJ been banished too? Is it karma that has come a full circle? It appears that Nature has a way of cleaning up the forum to pave a new phase for FFL. Yes indeed, MJ is over on the naughty step with the other miscreants. So it's a new phase for sure, but is it a better one? Maybe when people here stop talking about people there and post some stuff we'll see what we've lost without the wit and wisdom of the forcibly departed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others"? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. Your friends are waiting in the sandbox. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin is posting on FFL2, but FFL2 is not configured with Yahoo's anonymity system, so posts show up with an email address and not a Yahoo handle. Does my screen name come up at the bottom of posts as they appear in the message list on FFL2? Perhaps I can't tell because I'm logged in... I'm not the least bit bothered that Ravi posts here as he pleases, even though he is supposedly banned, but the security hole that lets him do it is not something I wanted configured into the new group. It's easy to make an anonymous email address, and there are a number of different free and paid options for VPN/proxies that will hide your IP address. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : salyavin, actually it's a bit of a 3 ring circus now with people on all 3 sites talking about the other sites! Wonder if that will settle out...well, you made a good try with your Scientology post. Just curious, how come you're not posting on FFL2? From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 1:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Has MJ been banished too? Is it karma that has come a full circle? It appears that Nature has a way of cleaning up the forum to pave a new phase for FFL. Yes indeed, MJ is over on the naughty step with the other miscreants. So it's a new phase for sure, but is it a better one? Maybe when people here stop talking about people there and post some stuff we'll see what we've lost without the wit and wisdom of the forcibly departed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others"? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. Your friends are waiting in the sandbox. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
light bulb just went on over my head...hope it stays on LOL!
From: "j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
Salyavin is posting on FFL2, but FFL2 is not configured with Yahoo's
anonymity system, so posts show up with an email address and not a Yahoo handle.
I'm not the least bit bothered that Ravi posts here as he pleases, even though
he is supposedly banned, but the security hole that lets him do it is not
something I wanted configured into the new group. It's easy to make an
anonymous email address, and there are a number of different free and paid
options for VPN/proxies that will hide your IP address.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
salyavin, actually it's a bit of a 3 ring circus now with people on all 3 sites
talking about the other sites! Wonder if that will settle out...well, you made
a good try with your Scientology post. Just curious, how come you're not
posting on
FFL2?
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 1:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Has MJ been banished too? Is it karma that has come a full circle? It appears
that Nature has a way of cleaning up the forum to pave a new phase for FFL.
Yes indeed, MJ is over on the naughty step with the other miscreants. So it's a
new phase for sure, but is it a better one? Maybe when people here stop talking
about people there and post some stuff we'll see what we've lost without the
wit and wisdom of the forcibly departed.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
"insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others"?
MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You
perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by
MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see.
Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily
justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the
right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to
exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now?
Happy to help.
Your friends are waiting in the sandbox.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a
misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech.
IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing
and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be
fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so.
It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which
you would be well advised to amend.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning
aboutthe creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun
forlong by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Makingstraw-men may
suffice for some while and keep them from tearing ateach other for some time.
The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventuallywill find and rule them where ever they
may go as they meet up withkind people in civil society. A character of
violence in civilsociety often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the
asocialtend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that,
Alex.-JaiGuruYou
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter
to me. Just letting you know it's there.
Yahoo! Groups
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Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I
think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
Salyavin is posting on FFL2, but FFL2 is not configured with Yahoo's anonymity system, so posts show up with an email address and not a Yahoo handle. I'm not the least bit bothered that Ravi posts here as he pleases, even though he is supposedly banned, but the security hole that lets him do it is not something I wanted configured into the new group. It's easy to make an anonymous email address, and there are a number of different free and paid options for VPN/proxies that will hide your IP address. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : salyavin, actually it's a bit of a 3 ring circus now with people on all 3 sites talking about the other sites! Wonder if that will settle out...well, you made a good try with your Scientology post. Just curious, how come you're not posting on FFL2? From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 1:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Has MJ been banished too? Is it karma that has come a full circle? It appears that Nature has a way of cleaning up the forum to pave a new phase for FFL. Yes indeed, MJ is over on the naughty step with the other miscreants. So it's a new phase for sure, but is it a better one? Maybe when people here stop talking about people there and post some stuff we'll see what we've lost without the wit and wisdom of the forcibly departed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others"? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. Your friends are waiting in the sandbox. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
salyavin, actually it's a bit of a 3 ring circus now with people on all 3 sites
talking about the other sites! Wonder if that will settle out...well, you made
a good try with your Scientology post. Just curious, how come you're not
posting on
FFL2?
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 1:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Has MJ been banished too? Is it karma that has come a full circle? It appears
that Nature has a way of cleaning up the forum to pave a new phase for FFL.
Yes indeed, MJ is over on the naughty step with the other miscreants. So it's a
new phase for sure, but is it a better one? Maybe when people here stop talking
about people there and post some stuff we'll see what we've lost without the
wit and wisdom of the forcibly departed.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
"insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others"?
MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You
perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by
MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see.
Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily
justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the
right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to
exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now?
Happy to help.
Your friends are waiting in the sandbox.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a
misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech.
IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing
and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be
fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so.
It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which
you would be well advised to amend.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning
aboutthe creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun
forlong by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Makingstraw-men may
suffice for some while and keep them from tearing ateach other for some time.
The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventuallywill find and rule them where ever they
may go as they meet up withkind people in civil society. A character of
violence in civilsociety often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the
asocialtend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that,
Alex.-JaiGuruYou
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter
to me. Just letting you know it's there.
Yahoo! Groups
| |
| | | | Yahoo! Groups Sorry, an error occurred while loading the
content. | |
| View on groups.yahoo.com| Preview by Yahoo |
| |
Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I
think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Has MJ been banished too? Is it karma that has come a full circle? It appears that Nature has a way of cleaning up the forum to pave a new phase for FFL. Yes indeed, MJ is over on the naughty step with the other miscreants. So it's a new phase for sure, but is it a better one? Maybe when people here stop talking about people there and post some stuff we'll see what we've lost without the wit and wisdom of the forcibly departed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others"? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. Your friends are waiting in the sandbox. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
Has MJ been banished too? Is it karma that has come a full circle? It appears that Nature has a way of cleaning up the forum to pave a new phase for FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others"? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. Your friends are waiting in the sandbox. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others"? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. Your friends are waiting in the sandbox. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia". So sorry we aren't entertaining enough for you. All this caring about stuff. Tsk. Tedious. Misrepresentation and reading incompetence, Sal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
Exactly right. No opposing viewpoints have been disallowed, so far at least. If they had been, all the squawking and whining would be justified. The current complaints are based on a misrepresentation of the situation. As Rick put it when he announced that he had appointed Doug moderator, "I know some will bristle at what they perceive as a restriction of their freedom of speech, but different types of speech are appropriate in different contexts." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I can assure you that I am not in the least confused. Free speech has nothing to do with this situation. The owner of the group and his representative have every right to require that contributors maintain civility in their discourse. It's not a matter of disallowing opposing viewpoints, but simply making it clear that there are ways of expressing oneself that are no longer acceptable on this forum. I do not see why that should be so difficult to understand or accept. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others"? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
I can assure you that I am not in the least confused. Free speech has nothing to do with this situation. The owner of the group and his representative have every right to require that contributors maintain civility in their discourse. It's not a matter of disallowing opposing viewpoints, but simply making it clear that there are ways of expressing oneself that are no longer acceptable on this forum. I do not see why that should be so difficult to understand or accept. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others"? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : OK, I have to step in to this fantasyland with a dose of reality. Me: Perfect Judy entrance, lead with breaking rapport... MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Doug, insulting him by calling him "a hypocrite and full of crap." Me: And Buck has insulted Michael and me with all sorts of obnoxious crap including equating our opinions about Maharishi to the activities of terrorist organizations where drone strikes would be appropriate. That was before Rick appointed him to be moderator. It's not retroactive. Both of those terms use by Michael refer to specific things in his behavior they are much more than a generic poopy pants name calling. Really? "Hypocritical and full of crap" is more than generic poopy pants name calling? You sure you want to stand by that? What "specific things" does "full of crap" refer to? He was called a hypocrite because he complained to this group for ages about the very kind of judgmental crap he is laying on us here, This is irrelevant. Doug (not "Buck") was appointed by Rick to implement the Yahoo Guidelines, a new role for him. If you want to call the guidelines "judgmental crap," point your finger at Rick, not Doug. including the movement endorsed banishment practice for people he doesn't like. The "banishment" was for incivility contrary to the Yahoo Guidelines. Nothing to do with the movement. With your history of a sharp tongue here I think you are opening yourself up to the same judgement. But it will never be applied to you because you are not posting anti-Maharishi posts so you will never have to worry about Buck. I'll have to worry about Doug (not "Buck") if I'm uncivil now that the Yahoo Guidelines are in effect. Again, it's not retroactive. If you want to understand free speech, defend someone's rights whose views you disagree with. Been there, done that. Me: Barry got the boot for something other than the David Lynch post, we're not sure what, Me: We don't know why is the point. But the context of Barry's complaint turned out to be the prediction of his own demise which turned out to be true. Which complaint? And so what? And now we have two others gone. You don't see a trend? How many will it take? Yes, there's a trend. Doug is implementing the Yahoo Guidelines and bouncing folks who are defying them by being uncivil. That's his job on FFL these days. How many will it take for what? Judy: but that post hasn't been deleted, which suggests Doug rethought his objection to it. My guess is Barry was kicked to the curb for declaring that he was going to ignore anything Doug said, defying both Doug and FFL's owner, Rick, who appointed Doug to implement the Yahoo Guidelines after having received many complaints about the gross incivility on FFL. Could also have been for calling Doug "insane" several times, among other insults. Me: Buck got criticized for the content he posted here. That is why he got called names, because he showed up as a judgmental oddball and untrustworthy with power. But we don't get to call people names any longer. Judy: So far, exactly zero people have been given the bum's rush for criticism of TM. Me: It is not like his views on anti Maharishi opinions is hidden, he has revealed his feelings clearly. Yup. So what? He canned people who opposed his power here or insulted him personally. That's right. He gets to do that as moderator. That's what Rick appointed him for. So far the continuing incivility has been directed at him. If it starts to be directed to others, the uncivil folks are likely to be canned as well. And it just so happens that the people who trust him the least are often people who felt the same way about the movement for similar reasons. So what? This is FFL, not the movement. Buck provoked Barry's reaction by making a ridiculous accusation that confirmed Barry's fears about getting canned on trumped up charges. He wasn't canned on that charge, as I've pointed out. Then he provoked others to criticize him by not giving the rest of us a reason for his actions leading others to feel threatened by this kind of moderation. I don't really think anyone who's been around for awhile has any genuine doubts about why Barry was canned. Some folks are misrepresenting why Doug canned him, though, which is why I chimed in. And Doug did tell us why he canned Xeno and MJ. So I get it, you feel safe so you have no problems. No, you don't get it. I don't feel any "safer" than anyone else. One of your enemies is gone, so things worked out for you. But I thought you were a bit more of an advocate of fairness over opportunism. Yes, and you were right to think that. Now as far as Rick goes, I believe Elvis has left the building and we are on our own. But can you really say that you have not
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Alex it feels very sympathetic and altruistic of you in its way, creating a refuge for the asocial. Also an act something sort of like hanging a bell on the cats out in the garden. It may work for them for a while like for Eric the Red the outstanding asocial being of the old sagas outlawed and moved on to the next available place [..to the lawless open interiors and thence to Greenland and then a try at Newfoundland]. Red in character got himself successively banished by communal acts of parliaments of the then emerging civil societies of Europe and Iceland at the time. The locals in the New World of Newfoundland even turned Red around at the point of arrows. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
To the best of my recollection, the only action Yahoo has ever taken against FFL is list it as an adult group after someone intentionally uploaded a porn image and then complained to Yahoo about it. Being listed as an adult group makes it not show up in searches, so Rick managed to get it unlisted as an adult group, and I was brought on to help him keep it that way. After all these years, it's clear that Yahoo doesn't give a flying firetruck about the tone of discussion around here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. Me: Since no one from Yahoo has ever enforced anything like what you are trying to impose here this is wishful thinking from someone who is destroying this place "for its own good" no doubt, and out of your "kindness." Buck: A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Me: Your histrionic bogus connection between violence and people having heated discussions here reveals your tenuous connection with a world I recognize. No one isolated themselves, you kicked people off who you didn't like. Alex kindly provided an environment for free discussion without you lording over it. Once you have chased off all the content providers here you will be left with your throne and crown presiding over an empty room. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
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--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : OK, I have to step in to this fantasyland with a dose of reality. Me: Perfect Judy entrance, lead with breaking rapport... MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Doug, insulting him by calling him "a hypocrite and full of crap." Me: And Buck has insulted Michael and me with all sorts of obnoxious crap including equating our opinions about Maharishi to the activities of terrorist organizations where drone strikes would be appropriate. Both of those terms use by Michael refer to specific things in his behavior they are much more than a generic poopy pants name calling. He was called a hypocrite because he complained to this group for ages about the very kind of judgmental crap he is laying on us here, including the movement endorsed banishment practice for people he doesn't like. With your history of a sharp tongue here I think you are opening yourself up to the same judgement. But it will never be applied to you because you are not posting anti-Maharishi posts so you will never have to worry about Buck. If you want to understand free speech, defend someone's rights whose views you disagree with. Me: Barry got the boot for something other than the David Lynch post, we're not sure what, Me: We don't know why is the point. But the context of Barry's complaint turned out to be the prediction of his own demise which turned out to be true. And now we have two others gone. You don't see a trend? How many will it take? Judy: but that post hasn't been deleted, which suggests Doug rethought his objection to it. My guess is Barry was kicked to the curb for declaring that he was going to ignore anything Doug said, defying both Doug and FFL's owner, Rick, who appointed Doug to implement the Yahoo Guidelines after having received many complaints about the gross incivility on FFL. Could also have been for calling Doug "insane" several times, among other insults. Me: Buck got criticized for the content he posted here. That is why he got called names, because he showed up as a judgmental oddball and untrustworthy with power. Judy: So far, exactly zero people have been given the bum's rush for criticism of TM. Me: It is not like his views on anti Maharishi opinions is hidden, he has revealed his feelings clearly. He canned people who opposed his power here or insulted him personally. And it just so happens that the people who trust him the least are often people who felt the same way about the movement for similar reasons. Buck provoked Barry's reaction by making a ridiculous accusation that confirmed Barry's fears about getting canned on trumped up charges. Then he provoked others to criticize him by not giving the rest of us a reason for his actions leading others to feel threatened by this kind of moderation. So I get it, you feel safe so you have no problems. One of your enemies is gone, so things worked out for you. But I thought you were a bit more of an advocate of fairness over opportunism. Now as far as Rick goes, I believe Elvis has left the building and we are on our own. But can you really say that you have not benefited by the previous laxity in this kind of judgement in the past? Haven't many of our best conversations or arguments often included some non Buck approved language and sentiments? Et Tu Judy? Other than the opportunism of seeing Barry get what I am sure you feel are his just deserts, is this really the kind of place that encourages lively discussions, knowing that the Church Lady with a 5 O'clock shadow can spring out at any time and declare that pearls must be clutched and someone must be banished? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others"? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Parad
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. Me: I'll bet our idea of civility would be a pretty close match. But it is a subjective evaluation. The question is who do you trust to make such a judgement call for you? Buck? His view may match yours, it does not match mine. Remember, he canned Barry for what was a personal opinion about Lynch. There was nothing uncivil about it IMO. So freedom means not being subject to that kind of judgement, especially without reasonable recourse to challenge. That is movement freedom where you are free to do anything THEY want. And he didn't save anyone from Xeno and Michael, he just used his power to kick them off because he felt personally insulted. Feste: IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. Me: I think the analogy is off. It is more like the people you see at the mailboxes in an apartment building. If someone acts like an ass you just avoid them and don't engage with them. Some people here act as if they are forced to read posts. I read very few posts here. What goes on in posts I don't read is really none of my business unless I go out of my way to make it my business by interacting. Feste: But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. Me: The social example is too intimate. It would be like being at a huge New Year's eve party where you can strike up a conversation and if you sense buttholeidtude, you just say, "excuse me but I have to go see a man about a horse" and leave them standing their with their drink in their hand and their mouth open. Now if the person tries to chase you down and MAKE you listen to them, or if they follow you home, you might need the authorities to straighten them out or get a restraining order. If Buck had earned the groups trust by showing up as a reasonable person whose values more people trusted he would not have gotten this push back. In order to silence critics ,who he refers to as apostates using ominous old time religious language to disparage, he will happily see FFL go under. My guess is that he will get his wish. This place is doomed as an interesting place to have discussions with him judging content. Very few people have been trained in how to discuss ideas without making it personal. You have seen it a million times here. Someone takes a shot at Maharishi or his ideas and then someone goes after them personally. It has happened to me more often than not. I accept that and only continue if the person has something interesting to say to prolong the discussion so I get my writing prompt. I am at peace with the idea that I will have to be insulted by people who can't separate ideas from their identity or are just bitchy people and interact that way. Some very bright people here are personally argumentative and cantankerous. I will happily take the good with the bad to have a conversation that interests me. I don't need anyone making that call for me. Especially not someone who does not share my values of tolerating eccentricity if the person is worth chatting with. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
OK, I have to step in to this fantasyland with a dose of reality. MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Doug, insulting him by calling him "a hypocrite and full of crap." Barry got the boot for something other than the David Lynch post, we're not sure what, but that post hasn't been deleted, which suggests Doug rethought his objection to it. My guess is Barry was kicked to the curb for declaring that he was going to ignore anything Doug said, defying both Doug and FFL's owner, Rick, who appointed Doug to implement the Yahoo Guidelines after having received many complaints about the gross incivility on FFL. Could also have been for calling Doug "insane" several times, among other insults. So far, exactly zero people have been given the bum's rush for criticism of TM. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others"? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
"insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others"? MJ was canned for voicing an opinion about Marshy. That's free speech. You perhaps saw it as an insult. I'm sure the comment could have been justified by MJ - If he'd had the chance, but he didn't. No free speech you see. Barry got the boot for a criticism of David Lynch. That too was easily justifiable. I think you have some confusion between your own biases and the right of others to think different differently. Respecting the right of both to exist side by side is the essence of free speech. Got it now? Happy to help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia". So sorry we aren't entertaining enough for you. All this caring about stuff. Tsk. Tedious.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Cheers Alex. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou A character of violence? Tearing at each other? Creating strawmen? Hens to pick on? I'd love to know who you were talking to and what strange planet they got their information about us from. You get worse every day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
Doug is right here, and I think calling this new group Free Speech is a misnomer, as Doug implies. It's more a question of civility than free speech. IIf, say, you go to a party and spend your time there insulting and ridiculing and misrepresenting others, you will likely be asked to leave. But would it be fair to call that a curtailment of your right to free speech? I don't think so. It would just be an adverse commentary on your boorish social behavior, which you would be well advised to amend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. Me: Since no one from Yahoo has ever enforced anything like what you are trying to impose here this is wishful thinking from someone who is destroying this place "for its own good" no doubt, and out of your "kindness." Buck: A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Me: Your histrionic bogus connection between violence and people having heated discussions here reveals your tenuous connection with a world I recognize. No one isolated themselves, you kicked people off who you didn't like. Alex kindly provided an environment for free discussion without you lording over it. Once you have chased off all the content providers here you will be left with your throne and crown presiding over an empty room. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
As someone pointed out down at Paradiso Cafe in Fairfield, Iowa this morning about the creation of FFL2 for the FFL-banished, these fox may not have fun for long by themselves without also having hens to pick on. Making straw-men may suffice for some while and keep them from tearing at each other for some time. The Yahoo-groups guidelines eventually will find and rule them where ever they may go as they meet up with kind people in civil society. A character of violence in civil society often is that it is self-limiting in nature and the asocial tend to isolate themselves. Thanks for better facilitating that, Alex. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Speech Zone
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On a whim, I made a FFL free speech zone. Use it. Don't use it. Doesn't matter to me. Just letting you know it's there. Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Yahoo! Groups https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content. View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FFL-2 Preview by Yahoo Thank God, now maybe we can get some peace around here from all the whining. I think you might have wanted to call the new site "australia".
