[FairfieldLife] Re: God is objective and scientific ! = hey Hugo, you quit too soon
hey Hugo, you quit too soon and missed the good part; you keep asking for proof of one spiritual principle; here i give you one and ask you to become a real scientist in your own life not in your head believing others: When I was a physicist, 39 years ago, I would wonder how can people understand anything about life and the universe without having the understating that is available to scientists in terms of math, formulas, principles, logic. But, when at age 31, my first huge personal problem arose, plunging me into deep depression, my physics was useless. I went to the university psychologist and wondered if I had studied the wrong science? But just for a short time, because it was only of little help. But what really helped, were these miraculous things: 1)Very long walks and watching my thoughts unravel, all the good the bad and the ugly with some insights 2)Reading J. Krishnamurti's Think on These Things which not only transformed my deep depression into joy without a reason sort of like the peace that passeth all understanding ; there definitely was some shift in my perception of life and world, a lot more really then physics did 3)Starting TM, immediately I had excess to a more peaceful mind 4)Spending one month with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi; the feeling was don't know if what he says is valid; but, definitely know that I am experiencing something new which I can only call love not personal, hard to define, like some presence that is just there, not thoughts in the head, a very subtle feeling but more real then the gross field of perceptions 5)Several months later experience of awareness resting in the heart without thoughts; just peace and love; the love was so intense had to be God's Love as in God is Love. This definitely was experiential proof of the spiritual principle God is Love as real as any physics experiment, actually a lot more real So that is how I went from studying the science of physics to not only studying but also living the science of spirituality, the only science that includes all the other sciences. So, from this perspective, I can appreciate all the other fields of knowledge, from material science to art, music, poetry or whatever as each being valid but not superior to another; no competition; nothing wins unless all win; if only one wins, sure disaster as in oil spill The ultimate quest, whether spiritual, philosophical or scientific, is Who the heck Am I? Thanks for listening. Om Namah Sivaya, anatol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodle...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anatol_zinc anatol_zinc@ wrote: God is objective and scientific according to theoretical physicist Dr Amit Goswami, PhD : It's objective and it's scientific. You can call it God if you want, but you don't have to. Quantum consciousness will do. Nonlocality, tangled hierarchy, and discontinuity: these signatures of quantum consciousness have been independently verified by leading researchers worldwide. This experimental data and its conclusions inform us that it is the mistaken materialist view that is at the center of most of our worlds problems today. To address these problems, we now have a science of spirituality that is fully verifiable and objective. Funny thing is the world he describes was discovered scient- ifically via theory and experimentation, it bears no relation to any of the ancient texts I ever read. Which is the point I've been making, received wisdom doesn't actually teach us anything meaningful about the objective (or even subjective) world you need careful experiments to do that. Just changing the name of a poorly understood level of nature to god doesn't prove that the ancients were right about anything *unless* they both predicted the parameters we are now discovering *and* can show that this level of nature actually has any of the traditionally associated features of a supreme being. Until then I think what they are doing is ascribing the term god to something they don't fully understand as a way of hopefully explaining it. Which historically has been god's job, it's just now, thanks to scientific enquiry, his job doesn't include much at all beyond controlling the trajetory of a few sub-atomic particles and making it all look random. From : http://www.amitgoswami.org/ http://www.amitgoswami.org/ And I recognise this guy from what the bleep do we know? Not what I'd call a satisfactory introduction to quantum physics. Let me clarify that I don't know if I subscribe to Goswami POV 100% in details, because I have not studied him thoroughly because it is my POV that each of us( 7billion) has a unique POV just as no two snowflakes are alike; of course there are similarities and groups of agreement will form etcÂ… now for my( anatol's ) perspective: As in religion, so in science there is not one body of knowledge out there
[FairfieldLife] Re: God is objective and scientific ! = hey Hugo, you quit too soon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anatol_zinc anatol_z...@... wrote: hey Hugo, you quit too soon and missed the good part; you keep asking for proof of one spiritual principle; here i give you one and ask you to become a real scientist in your own life not in your head believing others: I didn't quit too soon, I didn't think it was relevant to what we were talking about. Finding a way through problems is all part of life but I don't see how your story invalidates what you learnt as a physicist in any way. Sure you may have been better off studying psychology as far as your depression went but the sub-atomic world is still there and unaffected by anything we do (no matter what Nils Bohr thought). As I say, I do practise this self-exploration and it does help but there isn't any similarity between that and any of the physical sciences, they are different classes of things. Poems are great for mental nourishment but understanding how the brain works has proved to be anything but intuitive, it was only a few hundred years ago that the best guess on what the brain was for was cooling blood as it went round the body! What you say about self-development has it's place but we were talking about scientific discovery, and the greatest advances in our understanding of the world have come from scientific method not meditating. but your personal discoveries about how to live a happier life may very well have. I enjoy the process but don't think the experiences are part of any revelation of the actual physical world as it would be outside of my head. I don't think consciousness is fundamental to the universe but is a macro level function of the brain, therefore I think we only kid ourselves that we have an experience of the unified field. It's all in the mind, I think we need to understand out how consciousness works before we get carried away with ascribing heavenly metaphors to how it feels when we bend it out of shape when meditating. When I was a physicist, 39 years ago, I would wonder how can people understand anything about life and the universe without having the understating that is available to scientists in terms of math, formulas, principles, logic. But, when at age 31, my first huge personal problem arose, plunging me into deep depression, my physics was useless. I went to the university psychologist and wondered if I had studied the wrong science? But just for a short time, because it was only of little help. But what really helped, were these miraculous things: 1)Very long walks and watching my thoughts unravel, all the good the bad and the ugly with some insights 2)Reading J. Krishnamurti's Think on These Things which not only transformed my deep depression into joy without a reason sort of like the peace that passeth all understanding ; there definitely was some shift in my perception of life and world, a lot more really then physics did 3)Starting TM, immediately I had excess to a more peaceful mind 4)Spending one month with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi; the feeling was don't know if what he says is valid; but, definitely know that I am experiencing something new which I can only call love not personal, hard to define, like some presence that is just there, not thoughts in the head, a very subtle feeling but more real then the gross field of perceptions 5)Several months later experience of awareness resting in the heart without thoughts; just peace and love; the love was so intense had to be God's Love as in God is Love. This definitely was experiential proof of the spiritual principle God is Love as real as any physics experiment, actually a lot more real So that is how I went from studying the science of physics to not only studying but also living the science of spirituality, the only science that includes all the other sciences. So, from this perspective, I can appreciate all the other fields of knowledge, from material science to art, music, poetry or whatever as each being valid but not superior to another; no competition; nothing wins unless all win; if only one wins, sure disaster as in oil spill The ultimate quest, whether spiritual, philosophical or scientific, is Who the heck Am I? Thanks for listening. Om Namah Sivaya, anatol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anatol_zinc anatol_zinc@ wrote: God is objective and scientific according to theoretical physicist Dr Amit Goswami, PhD : It's objective and it's scientific. You can call it God if you want, but you don't have to. Quantum consciousness will do. Nonlocality, tangled hierarchy, and discontinuity: these signatures of quantum consciousness have been independently verified by leading researchers worldwide. This experimental data and its conclusions inform us that it is the mistaken materialist
