[FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
*References:* 1) Gail Tredwell on http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-hugging-saint-20120816 2) Satnam Singh Mann’s death -https://www.facebook.com/JusticeForSatnam (Google for all related Articles)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
You are very welcome. The wall, will be called, The Ravi Wall. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Emily, Obba - thank you for your comments, Obba your comments are very humbling :-) In fact a message by one of her erstwhile monks in a forum that I have been lurking on prompted me take a stand. In fact most of the messages are so over the top there that I wouldn't stir much, yeah and guess who I ran into over there Em :-). But anyway this particular poster's message really made stand up and here I am. Anyway feel free to read my follow-up posts there. I have been totally unchallenged so far, it's so boring - I'm glad I am perfecting my techniques here at FFL, a place where Jason referred to the people here as battle hardened thugs when I first started posting here in May 2010. I have come far and I have to thank everyone here - Robin in his influence perhaps towers over the rest but I have learned from everyone even King Baby, His Holiness - it's hard to discard anyone since this list may well comprise of battle hardened thugs but a motley group of intelligent people that I have never sight my eyes upon. Love, Ravi. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:17 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** I am going to start hammering copies of your below quote onto large stone walls for all to view in the future. Very well said, Mr. Ravi. :) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: ** Funny thing. I checked back with that site recently and read up to August 12th. You posted on August 13th. I read the Rolling Stone article - wasn't very impressed actually. I believe Amma's main problem is that she has projected herself as all knowing and God, thereby setting a standard for herself and her organization that is unattainable, IMO. We will see. -- *From:* Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2012 11:47 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride My post on Ammachi Free speech Yahoo group - enjoy. -- Forwarded message -- From: *Ravi Chivukula* chivukula.ravi@... Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM Subject: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride To: ammachi_free_speech_z...@yahoogroups.com Well I'm stunned that erudite scholars, intelligent, sensitive, sophisticated persons on this list trying to frame the recent issues involving Amma as some medieval spiritual technique, forgetting basic American values of freedom, justice, liberty, human rights and values and would try to justify 19th, 20th century spiritual methods to a 21st century, materially advanced nation, which has again landed a spacecraft on Mars. What we need is a deep, thoughtful look at the applicability of these Gurus to the 21st century information age, this assembly line of materially impoverished, life-abnegating, sexually repressed, sexually perverted Gurus from India, under the deceptive garb of celibacy, renunciation, humility ensnaring, enchanting the sweet, sensitive, sophisticated, intelligent liberals, make them feel guilty of sex, money, material pleasures and project themselves as divine mothers and fathers, hankering for their riches, their resources - have you seen any Indian devotees of hers sacrificing their million dollar homes, million dollar homes and/or million dollar portfolios? Perhaps we should call these Gurus Hankering Humanitarians rather than Hugging Saints. I have remained silent for a long time but I guess it's finally the time to take a stand http://youtu.be/j5-yKhDd64s The Satnam Sigh affair has been sickening, disgusting to read - not because the ashram is legally accountable. But it is definitely - *morally accountable* especially when a woman who projects herself as the Divine Mother decides to turn a blind eye to this supposedly Brahmin, bipolar, secular man chanting sacred Arabic verses. If an innocent, bipolar man meets this fate at the hands of a Divine Mother - then there is really something wrong with this whole picture, *this whole enterprise, this humanitarian lean, mean ruthless machine that will tramp over people to help people. *This is just insane - where is the compassion here? And then the Gail aka Gayatri letters and interviews -* they are damning and thoroughly convincing*. I have been a lurker on the Ex-Amma for many months other than one or two most of them expose their own fears, insecurities and anxieties. Even the moderator Bronte - who comes across as utterly biased at her best and paranoid at her worst with her Judeo-Christian, Hindu hating, 16th century, voodoo, black magic references. However I feel for Bronte, she clearly has suffered in a similar cult albeit TM in her case,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see that they are no less zombified than the Ammabots... flip sides of the same coin. It's a sad commentary that Rick had to point out the obvious: that free speech means *any* perspective on Amma may be expressed on that group.
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I was glad Rick pointed that out for *all* on that site to read. She's been doing a lot of processing - she has a lot to process, given her background and experience with Amma and her realization that there is a duality there (so to speak, in a non-judgmental way). If she lurked here for a little while, she'd pick up on it pretty quickly, no? The shock factor of FFL was, for me, quite intense for awhile. I couldn't actually believe that people were expressing themselves so freely, without seeming fear of retribution. Bronte's site is very clear on what it's purpose is. She is trying to create a safe space where participants don't have to worry about defending their experience, which is often painful if they are confronting within themselves the discrepancy between the reality of what they are experiencing and their belief system around Amma. A bit like when children come to grips with the fact that their parents are not the omniscient beings they thought they were. Finding new footing can be a rocky ride. From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see that they are no less zombified than the Ammabots... flip sides of the same coin. It's a sad commentary that Rick had to point out the obvious: that free speech means *any* perspective on Amma may be expressed on that group.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
Are you talking about Bronte? She was here, and did her thing. I don't recall all the details. Was about 2-1/2 years ago, IIRC. But yea, she was pretty much full bore during that time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I was glad Rick pointed that out for *all* on that site to read.  She's been doing a lot of processing - she has a lot to process, given her background and experience with Amma and her realization that there is a duality there (so to speak, in a non-judgmental way).  If she lurked here for a little while, she'd pick up on it pretty quickly, no?  The shock factor of FFL was, for me, quite intense for awhile.  I couldn't actually believe that people were expressing themselves so freely, without seeming fear of retribution.  Bronte's site is very clear on what it's purpose is.  She is trying to create a safe space where participants don't have to worry about defending their experience, which is often painful if they are confronting within themselves the discrepancy between the reality of what they are experiencing and their belief system around Amma.  A bit like when children come to grips with the fact that their parents are not the omniscient beings they thought they were.  Finding new footing can be a rocky ride.  From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see that they are no less zombified than the Ammabots... flip sides of the same coin. It's a sad commentary that Rick had to point out the obvious: that free speech means *any* perspective on Amma may be expressed on that group.
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The first paragraph was actually re: Marnie, a woman posting on the Ammachi Free Speech Zone site. The second was in reference to the site Bronte moderates. She gets a lot of flack for not allowing all perspectives, but given that so many Amma devotees are subjected to what seems to be a culture of fear and retribution in that Org for expressing any opinion that is critical of Amma and the Org, I believe there is value in a site that is dedicated to attempting to give devotees a safe place to process initially and moving forward. As they become more confident in reclaiming their identity and reality (for those that may have lost it), they may choose to post other places. Or, they can jump into other places at the onset. Hence the value in the Ammachi Free Speech Zone. From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride Are you talking about Bronte? She was here, and did her thing. I don't recall all the details. Was about 2-1/2 years ago, IIRC. But yea, she was pretty much full bore during that time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I was glad Rick pointed that out for *all* on that site to read.  She's been doing a lot of processing - she has a lot to process, given her background and experience with Amma and her realization that there is a duality there (so to speak, in a non-judgmental way).  If she lurked here for a little while, she'd pick up on it pretty quickly, no?  The shock factor of FFL was, for me, quite intense for awhile.  I couldn't actually believe that people were expressing themselves so freely, without seeming fear of retribution.  Bronte's site is very clear on what it's purpose is.  She is trying to create a safe space where participants don't have to worry about defending their experience, which is often painful if they are confronting within themselves the discrepancy between the reality of what they are experiencing and their belief system around Amma.  A bit like when children come to grips with the fact that their parents are not the omniscient beings they thought they were.  Finding new footing can be a rocky ride.  From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see that they are no less zombified than the Ammabots... flip sides of the same coin. It's a sad commentary that Rick had to point out the obvious: that free speech means *any* perspective on Amma may be expressed on that group.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
Yea, it surprised me to see Bronte have some affiliation with a Amma site, because her background was with TM and then with Ramtha and Judith Knight as I understood it. But I felt her primary agenda was to expose what she felt were dangerous cults. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: The first paragraph was actually re: Marnie, a woman posting on the Ammachi Free Speech Zone site.  The second was in reference to the site Bronte moderates.  She gets a lot of flack for not allowing all perspectives, but given that so many Amma devotees are subjected to what seems to be a culture of fear and retribution in that Org for expressing any opinion that is critical of Amma and the Org, I believe there is value in a site that is dedicated to attempting to give devotees a safe place to process initially and moving forward.  As they become more confident in reclaiming their identity and reality (for those that may have lost it), they may choose to post other places.  Or, they can jump into other places at the onset.  Hence the value in the Ammachi Free Speech Zone.   From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  Are you talking about Bronte?  She was here, and did her thing.  I don't recall all the details.  Was about 2-1/2 years ago, IIRC.  But yea, she was pretty much full bore during that time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I was glad Rick pointed that out for *all* on that site to read. àShe's been doing a lot of processing - she has a lot to process, given her background and experience with Amma and her realization that there is a duality there (so to speak, in a non-judgmental way). àIf she lurked here for a little while, she'd pick up on it pretty quickly, no? àThe shock factor of FFL was, for me, quite intense for awhile. àI couldn't actually believe that people were expressing themselves so freely, without seeming fear of retribution. àBronte's site is very clear on what it's purpose is. àShe is trying to create a safe space where participants don't have to worry about defending their experience, which is often painful if they are confronting within themselves the discrepancy between the reality of what they are experiencing and their belief system around Amma. àA bit like when children come to grips with the fact that their parents are not the omniscient beings they thought they were. àFinding new footing can be a rocky ride. àFrom: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see that they are no less zombified than the Ammabots... flip sides of the same coin. It's a sad commentary that Rick had to point out the obvious: that free speech means *any* perspective on Amma may be expressed on that group.
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I have to quickly add that I completely agree with Alex. Em - you are right in a way - the shock akin to finding our mother is not the most beautiful woman or our father is not the most strongest, brave man in the world. But Bronte is just nuts, totally paranoid, obviously not clinical. On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:00 AM, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Yea, it surprised me to see Bronte have some affiliation with a Amma site, because her background was with TM and then with Ramtha and Judith Knight as I understood it. But I felt her primary agenda was to expose what she felt were dangerous cults. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: The first paragraph was actually re: Marnie, a woman posting on the Ammachi Free Speech Zone site.  The second was in reference to the site Bronte moderates.  She gets a lot of flack for not allowing all perspectives, but given that so many Amma devotees are subjected to what seems to be a culture of fear and retribution in that Org for expressing any opinion that is critical of Amma and the Org, I believe there is value in a site that is dedicated to attempting to give devotees a safe place to process initially and moving forward.  As they become more confident in reclaiming their identity and reality (for those that may have lost it), they may choose to post other places.  Or, they can jump into other places at the onset.  Hence the value in the Ammachi Free Speech Zone.   From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  Are you talking about Bronte?  She was here, and did her thing.  I don't recall all the details.  Was about 2-1/2 years ago, IIRC.  But yea, she was pretty much full bore during that time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I was glad Rick pointed that out for *all* on that site to read.  She's been doing a lot of processing - she has a lot to process, given her background and experience with Amma and her realization that there is a duality there (so to speak, in a non-judgmental way).  If she lurked here for a little while, she'd pick up on it pretty quickly, no?  The shock factor of FFL was, for me, quite intense for awhile.  I couldn't actually believe that people were expressing themselves so freely, without seeming fear of retribution.  Bronte's site is very clear on what it's purpose is.  She is trying to create a safe space where participants don't have to worry about defending their experience, which is often painful if they are confronting within themselves the discrepancy between the reality of what they are experiencing and their belief system around Amma.  A bit like when children come to grips with the fact that their parents are not the omniscient beings they thought they were.  Finding new footing can be a rocky ride.  From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see that they are no less zombified than the Ammabots... flip sides of the same coin. It's a sad commentary that Rick had to point out the obvious: that free speech means *any* perspective on Amma may be expressed on that group.
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I choose to reserve judgment on all three adjectives. She's been pretty clear that the ExAmma site is *not* for the same stated purpose as is the Ammachi Free Speech Zone. I *still* believe the site serves a purpose at this stage in the evolution of the movement. It happens to be strongly moderated by Bronte. One has to deal with the baby and the bath water in that sense. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride I have to quickly add that I completely agree with Alex. Em - you are right in a way - the shock akin to finding our mother is not the most beautiful woman or our father is not the most strongest, brave man in the world. But Bronte is just nuts, totally paranoid, obviously not clinical. On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:00 AM, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Yea, it surprised me to see Bronte have some affiliation with a Amma site, because her background was with TM and then with Ramtha and Judith Knight as I understood it. But I felt her primary agenda was to expose what she felt were dangerous cults. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: The first paragraph was actually re: Marnie, a woman posting on the Ammachi Free Speech Zone site.  The second was in reference to the site Bronte moderates.  She gets a lot of flack for not allowing all perspectives, but given that so many Amma devotees are subjected to what seems to be a culture of fear and retribution in that Org for expressing any opinion that is critical of Amma and the Org, I believe there is value in a site that is dedicated to attempting to give devotees a safe place to process initially and moving forward.  As they become more confident in reclaiming their identity and reality (for those that may have lost it), they may choose to post other places.  Or, they can jump into other places at the onset.  Hence the value in the Ammachi Free Speech Zone.   From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  Are you talking about Bronte?  She was here, and did her thing.  I don't recall all the details.  Was about 2-1/2 years ago, IIRC.  But yea, she was pretty much full bore during that time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I was glad Rick pointed that out for *all* on that site to read.  She's been doing a lot of processing - she has a lot to process, given her background and experience with Amma and her realization that there is a duality there (so to speak, in a non-judgmental way).  If she lurked here for a little while, she'd pick up on it pretty quickly, no?  The shock factor of FFL was, for me, quite intense for awhile.  I couldn't actually believe that people were expressing themselves so freely, without seeming fear of retribution.  Bronte's site is very clear on what it's purpose is.  She is trying to create a safe space where participants don't have to worry about defending their experience, which is often painful if they are confronting within themselves the discrepancy between the reality of what they are experiencing and their belief system around Amma.  A bit like when children come to grips with the fact that their parents are not the omniscient beings they thought they were.  Finding new footing can be a rocky ride.  From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see that they are no less zombified than the Ammabots... flip sides of the same coin. It's a sad commentary that Rick had to point out the obvious: that free speech means *any* perspective on Amma may be expressed on that group.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I have to quickly add that I completely agree with Alex. Em - you are right in a way - the shock akin to finding our mother is not the most beautiful woman or our father is not the most strongest, brave man in the world. But Bronte is just nuts, totally paranoid, obviously not clinical. Don't know what she's like now, but she sure was pretty, well, strange when she was on FFL for awhile about five years ago. Among other things, at the time she was a fan of arch- conspiracy theorist David Icke, of whom Wikipedia says: At the heart of his theories lies the idea that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie. O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-K... On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:00 AM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Yea, it surprised me to see Bronte have some affiliation with a Amma site, because her background was with TM and then with Ramtha and Judith Knight as I understood it. But I felt her primary agenda was to expose what she felt were dangerous cults. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: The first paragraph was actually re: Marnie, a woman posting on the Ammachi Free Speech Zone site. à The second was in reference to the site Bronte moderates. à She gets a lot of flack for not allowing all perspectives, but given that so many Amma devotees are subjected to what seems to be a culture of fear and retribution in that Org for expressing any opinion that is critical of Amma and the Org, I believe there is value in a site that is dedicated to attempting to give devotees a safe place to process initially and moving forward. à As they become more confident in reclaiming their identity and reality (for those that may have lost it), they may choose to post other places. à Or, they can jump into other places at the onset. à Hence the value in the Ammachi Free Speech Zone. à à From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride à Are you talking about Bronte? à She was here, and did her thing. à I don't recall all the details. à Was about 2-1/2 years ago, IIRC. à But yea, she was pretty much full bore during that time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I was glad Rick pointed that out for *all* on that site to read. Ãâà She's been doing a lot of processing - she has a lot to process, given her background and experience with Amma and her realization that there is a duality there (so to speak, in a non-judgmental way). Ãâà If she lurked here for a little while, she'd pick up on it pretty quickly, no? Ãâà The shock factor of FFL was, for me, quite intense for awhile. Ãâà I couldn't actually believe that people were expressing themselves so freely, without seeming fear of retribution. Ãâà Bronte's site is very clear on what it's purpose is. Ãâà She is trying to create a safe space where participants don't have to worry about defending their experience, which is often painful if they are confronting within themselves the discrepancy between the reality of what they are experiencing and their belief system around Amma. Ãâà A bit like when children come to grips with the fact that their parents are not the omniscient beings they thought they were. Ãâà Finding new footing can be a rocky ride. Ãâà From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride Ãâà --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see that they are no less zombified than the Ammabots... flip sides of the same coin. It's a sad commentary that Rick had to point out the obvious: that free speech means *any* perspective on Amma may be expressed on that group.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
I remember when that theory was circulating, so to speak. Perhaps her views have changed, or perhaps not :) From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I have to quickly add that I completely agree with Alex. Em - you are right in a way - the shock akin to finding our mother is not the most beautiful woman or our father is not the most strongest, brave man in the world. But Bronte is just nuts, totally paranoid, obviously not clinical. Don't know what she's like now, but she sure was pretty, well, strange when she was on FFL for awhile about five years ago. Among other things, at the time she was a fan of arch- conspiracy theorist David Icke, of whom Wikipedia says: At the heart of his theories lies the idea that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie. O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-K... On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:00 AM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Yea, it surprised me to see Bronte have some affiliation with a Amma site, because her background was with TM and then with Ramtha and Judith Knight as I understood it. But I felt her primary agenda was to expose what she felt were dangerous cults. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: The first paragraph was actually re: Marnie, a woman posting on the Ammachi Free Speech Zone site.  The second was in reference to the site Bronte moderates.  She gets a lot of flack for not allowing all perspectives, but given that so many Amma devotees are subjected to what seems to be a culture of fear and retribution in that Org for expressing any opinion that is critical of Amma and the Org, I believe there is value in a site that is dedicated to attempting to give devotees a safe place to process initially and moving forward.  As they become more confident in reclaiming their identity and reality (for those that may have lost it), they may choose to post other places.  Or, they can jump into other places at the onset.  Hence the value in the Ammachi Free Speech Zone.   From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  Are you talking about Bronte?  She was here, and did her thing.  I don't recall all the details.  Was about 2-1/2 years ago, IIRC.  But yea, she was pretty much full bore during that time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I was glad Rick pointed that out for *all* on that site to read.  She's been doing a lot of processing - she has a lot to process, given her background and experience with Amma and her realization that there is a duality there (so to speak, in a non-judgmental way).  If she lurked here for a little while, she'd pick up on it pretty quickly, no?  The shock factor of FFL was, for me, quite intense for awhile.  I couldn't actually believe that people were expressing themselves so freely, without seeming fear of retribution.  Bronte's site is very clear on what it's purpose is.  She is trying to create a safe space where participants don't have to worry about defending their experience, which is often painful if they are confronting within themselves the discrepancy between the reality of what they are experiencing and their belief system around Amma.  A bit like when children come to grips with the fact that their parents are not the omniscient beings they thought they were.  Finding new footing can be a rocky ride.  From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I'm not sure everyone on the Free Speech Zone fully understands what free speech is all about. Marnie almost flat out declared that she doesn't understand what free speech is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone/message/7268 It's funny to me that the Brontebots can't see
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride
I am going to start hammering copies of your below quote onto large stone walls for all to view in the future. Very well said, Mr. Ravi. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: My post on Ammachi Free speech Yahoo group - enjoy. -- Forwarded message -- From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM Subject: Hankering Humanitarian, Taking the World for a Ride To: ammachi_free_speech_z...@yahoogroups.com Well I'm stunned that erudite scholars, intelligent, sensitive, sophisticated persons on this list trying to frame the recent issues involving Amma as some medieval spiritual technique, forgetting basic American values of freedom, justice, liberty, human rights and values and would try to justify 19th, 20th century spiritual methods to a 21st century, materially advanced nation, which has again landed a spacecraft on Mars. What we need is a deep, thoughtful look at the applicability of these Gurus to the 21st century information age, this assembly line of materially impoverished, life-abnegating, sexually repressed, sexually perverted Gurus from India, under the deceptive garb of celibacy, renunciation, humility ensnaring, enchanting the sweet, sensitive, sophisticated, intelligent liberals, make them feel guilty of sex, money, material pleasures and project themselves as divine mothers and fathers, hankering for their riches, their resources - have you seen any Indian devotees of hers sacrificing their million dollar homes, million dollar homes and/or million dollar portfolios? Perhaps we should call these Gurus Hankering Humanitarians rather than Hugging Saints. I have remained silent for a long time but I guess it's finally the time to take a stand http://youtu.be/j5-yKhDd64s The Satnam Sigh affair has been sickening, disgusting to read - not because the ashram is legally accountable. But it is definitely - *morally accountable* especially when a woman who projects herself as the Divine Mother decides to turn a blind eye to this supposedly Brahmin, bipolar, secular man chanting sacred Arabic verses. If an innocent, bipolar man meets this fate at the hands of a Divine Mother - then there is really something wrong with this whole picture, *this whole enterprise, this humanitarian lean, mean ruthless machine that will tramp over people to help people. *This is just insane - where is the compassion here? And then the Gail aka Gayatri letters and interviews -* they are damning and thoroughly convincing*. I have been a lurker on the Ex-Amma for many months other than one or two most of them expose their own fears, insecurities and anxieties. Even the moderator Bronte - who comes across as utterly biased at her best and paranoid at her worst with her Judeo-Christian, Hindu hating, 16th century, voodoo, black magic references. However I feel for Bronte, she clearly has suffered in a similar cult albeit TM in her case, so it's OK for someone to react in such a fashion. But unless someone is able to be totally objective, free of self deception, it would be very hard to effectively rail, rally against someone. Here's where Gail certainly got my attention. I read through her recent message on Ex-Amma and *I can't detect any self-deception, any fear, insecurity or anxiety that stands out in Gail's post. In fact her message is totally devoid of any bitterness, malice - it seems very plainly, simply stated*. My objections to Gurus so far had been based on entirely different reasons, at least I still have love for Amma, how could I not, when I have spent 16 years around her. But I have always stood aside, I only got involved with this cult because of a person I was in relationship with. I never ever depended on her for any spiritual advice nor did I fantasize her as divine mother. But till 2009 I was always immature, not yet ready to articulate myself, ready to stand up, but always was true to my core inner values. I always ignored outrageous, illogical, absurd things - what is her autobiography but 16th century hocus-pocus, even at the age of 24 it perplexed me - anyway I ignored all this outrageous garbage as harmless, innocent, necessary deception and never lost my love my Amma, I certainly haven't now. This is a sense of obligation, humility, gratitude I feel for a place that has caused my own spiritual evolution. As Gail so simply and plainly stated, the statement that I totally agree with - is that any love you feel for her is merely a projection of your own love. Certainly there is the atmosphere, the vibe, the group energy that spontaneously causes this love to appear, but who is responsible for this love I feel compassion for her, that *she chooses to deceive herself as divine mother and not ready to admit that she is a created, vulnerable being like each one of us*. She has to face the mystery, the vulnerability of death. She
