[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Great stats. Hilarious! > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "jim_flanegin" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A few stats, gathered with access only to the > > Net, > > > > > and no Periodicals Index... > > > > > > > > > > Number of hits on Google: > > > > > * Anna Nicole Smith -- 4,950,000 > > > > > * Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- 306,000 > > > > > > > > Number of hits on Google: > > > > * TurquoiseB -- 4,270 > > > > * authfriend, jstein@ -- 4,350 > > > > * jim_flanegin -- 14 > > > > * Llundrub -- 2,290 > > > > * Adolf Hitler -- 2,600,000 > > > > * Gandhi -- 19,100,000 > > > > * Buddha -- 27,100,000 > > > > * Shiva -- 10,400,000 > > > > * Brahmananda Saraswati -- 22,100 > > > > * Mickey Mouse -- 2,950,000 > > > > * Coca-Cola -- 26,600,000 > > > > * Paris -- 454,000,000 > > > > * New York City -- 501,000,000 > > > > * God -- 429,000,000 > > > > > > Cool. New York City and Paris are more popular > > than God. > > > > > > And so far, neither of us is lookin' like 4th > > place. > > > > > Number of hits on Google: > > * Sex -- 391,000,000 > > * Drugs -- 166,000,000 > > * Rock and roll -- 79,100,000 > > * Transcendental Meditation -- 904,000 > > * Billy Idol -- 2,610,000 > > * Vincent Van Gogh -- 4,380,000 > > * Robert Johnson -- 1,650,000 > > * Borobudur -- 904,000 > > * India -- 390,000,000 > > * Santa Barbara -- 69,000,000 > > * Fairfield Life -- 1,800,000 > > * Krishna -- 15,100,000 > > * Disneyland -- 20,400,000 > > * Beatles -- 68,000,000 > > * Beetles -- 6,790,000 Number of hits on Google: * Jello -- 5,910,000 * Tofu -- 10,810,000 * Cocaine -- 21,800,000 * Einstein -- 41,800,000 * Moron -- 12,800,000 * 'George Bush' -- 11,500,000 * Goddess -- 32,400,000 * Polyester -- 51,800,000 * Coffee -- 225,000,000 * Egg -- 82,400,000 * Dirt -- 74,400,000 * Mud -- 43,200,000 * Bliss -- 33,300,000
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
Great stats. Hilarious! --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > A few stats, gathered with access only to the > Net, > > > > and no Periodicals Index... > > > > > > > > Number of hits on Google: > > > > * Anna Nicole Smith -- 4,950,000 > > > > * Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- 306,000 > > > > > > Number of hits on Google: > > > * TurquoiseB -- 4,270 > > > * authfriend, jstein@ -- 4,350 > > > * jim_flanegin -- 14 > > > * Llundrub -- 2,290 > > > * Adolf Hitler -- 2,600,000 > > > * Gandhi -- 19,100,000 > > > * Buddha -- 27,100,000 > > > * Shiva -- 10,400,000 > > > * Brahmananda Saraswati -- 22,100 > > > * Mickey Mouse -- 2,950,000 > > > * Coca-Cola -- 26,600,000 > > > * Paris -- 454,000,000 > > > * New York City -- 501,000,000 > > > * God -- 429,000,000 > > > > Cool. New York City and Paris are more popular > than God. > > > > And so far, neither of us is lookin' like 4th > place. > > > Number of hits on Google: > * Sex -- 391,000,000 > * Drugs -- 166,000,000 > * Rock and roll -- 79,100,000 > * Transcendental Meditation -- 904,000 > * Billy Idol -- 2,610,000 > * Vincent Van Gogh -- 4,380,000 > * Robert Johnson -- 1,650,000 > * Borobudur -- 904,000 > * India -- 390,000,000 > * Santa Barbara -- 69,000,000 > * Fairfield Life -- 1,800,000 > * Krishna -- 15,100,000 > * Disneyland -- 20,400,000 > * Beatles -- 68,000,000 > * Beetles -- 6,790,000 > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > A few stats, gathered with access only to the Net, > > > and no Periodicals Index... > > > > > > Number of hits on Google: > > > * Anna Nicole Smith -- 4,950,000 > > > * Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- 306,000 > > > > Number of hits on Google: > > * TurquoiseB -- 4,270 > > * authfriend, jstein@ -- 4,350 > > * jim_flanegin -- 14 > > * Llundrub -- 2,290 > > * Adolf Hitler -- 2,600,000 > > * Gandhi -- 19,100,000 > > * Buddha -- 27,100,000 > > * Shiva -- 10,400,000 > > * Brahmananda Saraswati -- 22,100 > > * Mickey Mouse -- 2,950,000 > > * Coca-Cola -- 26,600,000 > > * Paris -- 454,000,000 > > * New York City -- 501,000,000 > > * God -- 429,000,000 > > Cool. New York City and Paris are more popular than God. > > And so far, neither of us is lookin' like 4th place. > Number of hits on Google: * Sex -- 391,000,000 * Drugs -- 166,000,000 * Rock and roll -- 79,100,000 * Transcendental Meditation -- 904,000 * Billy Idol -- 2,610,000 * Vincent Van Gogh -- 4,380,000 * Robert Johnson -- 1,650,000 * Borobudur -- 904,000 * India -- 390,000,000 * Santa Barbara -- 69,000,000 * Fairfield Life -- 1,800,000 * Krishna -- 15,100,000 * Disneyland -- 20,400,000 * Beatles -- 68,000,000 * Beetles -- 6,790,000
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > A few stats, gathered with access only to the Net, > > > and no Periodicals Index... > > > > > > Number of hits on Google: > > > * Anna Nicole Smith -- 4,950,000 > > > * Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- 306,000 > > > > Number of hits on Google: > > * TurquoiseB -- 4,270 > > * authfriend, jstein@ -- 4,350 > > * jim_flanegin -- 14 > > * Llundrub -- 2,290 > > * Adolf Hitler -- 2,600,000 > > * Gandhi -- 19,100,000 > > * Buddha -- 27,100,000 > > * Shiva -- 10,400,000 > > * Brahmananda Saraswati -- 22,100 > > * Mickey Mouse -- 2,950,000 > > * Coca-Cola -- 26,600,000 > > * Paris -- 454,000,000 > > * New York City -- 501,000,000 > > * God -- 429,000,000 > > Cool. New York City and Paris are more popular than God. > > And so far, neither of us is lookin' like 4th place. > fun stuff!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > A few stats, gathered with access only to the Net, > > and no Periodicals Index... > > > > Number of hits on Google: > > * Anna Nicole Smith -- 4,950,000 > > * Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- 306,000 > > Number of hits on Google: > * TurquoiseB -- 4,270 > * authfriend, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 4,350 > * jim_flanegin -- 14 > * Llundrub -- 2,290 > * Adolf Hitler -- 2,600,000 > * Gandhi -- 19,100,000 > * Buddha -- 27,100,000 > * Shiva -- 10,400,000 > * Brahmananda Saraswati -- 22,100 > * Mickey Mouse -- 2,950,000 > * Coca-Cola -- 26,600,000 > * Paris -- 454,000,000 > * New York City -- 501,000,000 > * God -- 429,000,000 Cool. New York City and Paris are more popular than God. And so far, neither of us is lookin' like 4th place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > And what news are "wild Americans" concerned about? > > > > Anna Nicole Smith. All Anna Nicole all the time. > > > > What a lame country. > > > > > > And you know what? She'll be on the front pages > > > and in primetime far longer than Maharishi will > > > be when he dies. Mark my words. > > > > Amazing what long blonde hair and a couple watermelons > > can do for your image. Bimbo Consciousness. > > Well, it's a *type* of BC. :-) > > My prediction above is as much a commentary on the > mindstate of the world as it is on Maharishi's > relative importance in it. But I'd be willing to > lay money on the accuracy of the above statement. > > Any takers? To make it a fair bet, someone with > access to, say, a Periodicals Index would have to > look up 1) the number of articles published on > Anna Nicole Smith and Maharishi during their > lifetimes, and 2) the number of articles published > on the same two for one month after their death. > > A few stats, gathered with access only to the Net, > and no Periodicals Index... > > Number of hits on Google: > * Anna Nicole Smith -- 4,950,000 > * Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- 306,000 > Number of hits on Google: * TurquoiseB -- 4,270 * authfriend, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 4,350 * jim_flanegin -- 14 * Llundrub -- 2,290 * Adolf Hitler -- 2,600,000 * Gandhi -- 19,100,000 * Buddha -- 27,100,000 * Shiva -- 10,400,000 * Brahmananda Saraswati -- 22,100 * Mickey Mouse -- 2,950,000 * Coca-Cola -- 26,600,000 * Paris -- 454,000,000 * New York City -- 501,000,000 * God -- 429,000,000
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > And what news are "wild Americans" concerned about? > > > > Anna Nicole Smith. All Anna Nicole all the time. > > > > What a lame country. > > > > > > And you know what? She'll be on the front pages > > > and in primetime far longer than Maharishi will > > > be when he dies. Mark my words. > > > > Amazing what long blonde hair and a couple watermelons > > can do for your image. Bimbo Consciousness. > > Well, it's a *type* of BC. :-) > > My prediction above is as much a commentary on the > mindstate of the world as it is on Maharishi's > relative importance in it. (Says Barry, figuring out where he goofed and doing what he can to make it look as though he didn't.) > But I'd be willing to > lay money on the accuracy of the above statement. My father always said one should never bet on a sure thing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 2/9/07 3:54:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) > , TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , Bhairitu wrote: > >>> And what news are "wild Americans" concerned about? >>> Anna Nicole Smith. All Anna Nicole all the time. >>> What a lame country. >>> >> And you know what? She'll be on the front pages >> and in primetime far longer than Maharishi will >> be when he dies. Mark my words. >> > > And Barry steps right in his own sh*t > again. > > > > > > > > Amazing what long blonde hair and a couple watermelons can do for your > image. Bimbo Consciousness. The "two fullnesses" of life. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
> > > And what news are "wild Americans" concerned about? > > > Anna Nicole Smith. All Anna Nicole all the time. > > > What a lame country. > > > > And you know what? She'll be on the front pages > > and in primetime far longer than Maharishi will > > be when he dies. Mark my words. > > Amazing what long blonde hair and a couple watermelons > can do for your image. Bimbo Consciousness. Well, it's a *type* of BC. :-) My prediction above is as much a commentary on the mindstate of the world as it is on Maharishi's relative importance in it. But I'd be willing to lay money on the accuracy of the above statement. Any takers? To make it a fair bet, someone with access to, say, a Periodicals Index would have to look up 1) the number of articles published on Anna Nicole Smith and Maharishi during their lifetimes, and 2) the number of articles published on the same two for one month after their death. A few stats, gathered with access only to the Net, and no Periodicals Index... Number of hits on Google: * Anna Nicole Smith -- 4,950,000 * Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- 306,000 Number of hits on Amazon.com: * Anna Nicole Smith -- 48 * Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- 48 Number of lines of text in their entry on Wikipedia: * Anna Nicole Smith -- 513 * Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- 233 Number of footnote entries in the Reference section of their entry on Wikipedia: * Anna Nicole Smith -- 36 * Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- 8 Years they had to make their mark on the world: * Anna Nicole Smith -- 15 (since winning her first contest) * Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- 48 (since arriving in the West) Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > And what news are "wild Americans" concerned about? > > Anna Nicole Smith. All Anna Nicole all the time. > > What a lame country. > > And you know what? She'll be on the front pages > and in primetime far longer than Maharishi will > be when he dies. Mark my words. > No comparison at all-- Maharishi will get a brief paragraph in the middle pages obituaries, and a couple of splashy 15 second sound bites "giggling guru...Beatles...TM" and that'll be it. Pop culture is just what it says, it *Pops* like a bubble...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > jim_flanegin wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > >> jyouells2000 wrote: > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > >>> > > wrote: > > > >>> > >>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" jyouells@ > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> From The Washington Post this morning: > >> > >> An Iraq Interrogator's Nightmare > >> > >> > > > > > I wonder if the people who bomb market places feel any of > > the same regret? Do they feel regret before the 2nd bomb > > explodes to kill the rescuers or after? > > > > > So if they don't, that makes our regret superfluous? > Does it justify the torture? > > > >>> Not superfluous, counterbalanced > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > If not, exactly what was the point of your question? > > > > >>> To provide another perspective. > >>> To question the motives of the writer. Are they political, > >>> > > financial > > > >>> (setup for PTSD claim later), or is he really that out of > >>> > > perspective? > > > >>> Or are they true? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > (Most of the bombers don't get a chance to feel > regret, by the way, because they get killed along > with everybody else.) > > > > >>> I was asking about the remote ones, or the remote backup switch > >>> throwers. > >>> > >>> JohnY > >>> > >> You mean the ones from the black ops? :) > >> > >> > > Who needs black ops when our armies are slaughtering civilians > > wholesale? I read a headline recently about the US killing > > 14 "insurgents" in Anbar province in Iraq. Only much further down in > > the story did it mention, by the way, that 45 women and children > > were killed with them when missiles were fired into two houses by > > helicopter gunships. > And what news are "wild Americans" concerned about? Anna Nicole Smith. > All Anna Nicole all the time. What a lame country. > Anything for a diversion...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
In a message dated 2/9/07 3:54:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , Bhairitu wrote: > > > > And what news are "wild Americans" concerned about? > > Anna Nicole Smith. All Anna Nicole all the time. > > What a lame country. > > And you know what? She'll be on the front pages > and in primetime far longer than Maharishi will > be when he dies. Mark my words. And Barry steps right in his own sh*t again. Amazing what long blonde hair and a couple watermelons can do for your image. Bimbo Consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
Yeah, Europeans and the Brits are too busy with deep topics like Victoria Beckham's latest boob job. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > jim_flanegin wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > >> jyouells2000 wrote: > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > >>> > > wrote: > > > >>> > >>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" jyouells@ > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> From The Washington Post this morning: > >> > >> An Iraq Interrogator's Nightmare > >> > >> > > > > > I wonder if the people who bomb market places feel any of > > the same regret? Do they feel regret before the 2nd bomb > > explodes to kill the rescuers or after? > > > > > So if they don't, that makes our regret superfluous? > Does it justify the torture? > > > >>> Not superfluous, counterbalanced > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > If not, exactly what was the point of your question? > > > > >>> To provide another perspective. > >>> To question the motives of the writer. Are they political, > >>> > > financial > > > >>> (setup for PTSD claim later), or is he really that out of > >>> > > perspective? > > > >>> Or are they true? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > (Most of the bombers don't get a chance to feel > regret, by the way, because they get killed along > with everybody else.) > > > > >>> I was asking about the remote ones, or the remote backup switch > >>> throwers. > >>> > >>> JohnY > >>> > >> You mean the ones from the black ops? :) > >> > >> > > Who needs black ops when our armies are slaughtering civilians > > wholesale? I read a headline recently about the US killing > > 14 "insurgents" in Anbar province in Iraq. Only much further down in > > the story did it mention, by the way, that 45 women and children > > were killed with them when missiles were fired into two houses by > > helicopter gunships. > And what news are "wild Americans" concerned about? Anna Nicole Smith. > All Anna Nicole all the time. What a lame country. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > And what news are "wild Americans" concerned about? > > Anna Nicole Smith. All Anna Nicole all the time. > > What a lame country. > > And you know what? She'll be on the front pages > and in primetime far longer than Maharishi will > be when he dies. Mark my words. And Barry steps right in his own sh*t again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And what news are "wild Americans" concerned about? > Anna Nicole Smith. All Anna Nicole all the time. > What a lame country. And you know what? She'll be on the front pages and in primetime far longer than Maharishi will be when he dies. Mark my words.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And what news are "wild Americans" concerned about? > Anna Nicole Smith. All Anna Nicole all the time. > What a lame country. You said it. If you mentioned this "event" anywhere in Europe, the response would be, "Who?"
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
jim_flanegin wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> jyouells2000 wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" >>> > wrote: > >>> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" jyouells@ wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > >> From The Washington Post this morning: >> >> An Iraq Interrogator's Nightmare >> >> > I wonder if the people who bomb market places feel any of > the same regret? Do they feel regret before the 2nd bomb > explodes to kill the rescuers or after? > > So if they don't, that makes our regret superfluous? Does it justify the torture? >>> Not superfluous, counterbalanced >>> >>> >>> >>> If not, exactly what was the point of your question? >>> To provide another perspective. >>> To question the motives of the writer. Are they political, >>> > financial > >>> (setup for PTSD claim later), or is he really that out of >>> > perspective? > >>> Or are they true? >>> >>> >>> >>> (Most of the bombers don't get a chance to feel regret, by the way, because they get killed along with everybody else.) >>> I was asking about the remote ones, or the remote backup switch >>> throwers. >>> >>> JohnY >>> >> You mean the ones from the black ops? :) >> >> > Who needs black ops when our armies are slaughtering civilians > wholesale? I read a headline recently about the US killing > 14 "insurgents" in Anbar province in Iraq. Only much further down in > the story did it mention, by the way, that 45 women and children > were killed with them when missiles were fired into two houses by > helicopter gunships. And what news are "wild Americans" concerned about? Anna Nicole Smith. All Anna Nicole all the time. What a lame country.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" jyouells@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > From The Washington Post this morning: > > > > > > > > An Iraq Interrogator's Nightmare > > > > > I wonder if the people who bomb market places feel any of > > > the same regret? Do they feel regret before the 2nd bomb > > > explodes to kill the rescuers or after? > > > > So if they don't, that makes our regret superfluous? > > Does it justify the torture? > > Not superfluous, counterbalanced > > > If not, exactly what was the point of your question? > > To provide another perspective. What "other perspective" is required here? What "counterbalance" could there possibly be that isn't aimed at justifying or excusing the torture? > To question the motives of the writer. Are they political, > financial (setup for PTSD claim later), or is he really > that out of perspective? > Or are they true? Wow. You really *are* trying to justify the torture. Hard to believe. As to the "financial motive," I'm sure he'd have no problem whatsoever getting financial consideration from the Army after having published an op-ed in The Washington Post exposing the Army's unconscionable abuse of prisoners. And since when is it "political" to oppose torture? MAN, talk about being "out of perspective"!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > jyouells2000 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" jyouells@ > >> wrote: > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > >>> > From The Washington Post this morning: > > An Iraq Interrogator's Nightmare > > >> > >> > >>> I wonder if the people who bomb market places feel any of > >>> the same regret? Do they feel regret before the 2nd bomb > >>> explodes to kill the rescuers or after? > >>> > >> So if they don't, that makes our regret superfluous? > >> Does it justify the torture? > >> > > > > Not superfluous, counterbalanced > > > > > > > >> If not, exactly what was the point of your question? > >> > >> > > > > To provide another perspective. > > To question the motives of the writer. Are they political, financial > > (setup for PTSD claim later), or is he really that out of perspective? > > Or are they true? > > > > > > > >> (Most of the bombers don't get a chance to feel > >> regret, by the way, because they get killed along > >> with everybody else.) > >> > >> > > > > I was asking about the remote ones, or the remote backup switch > > throwers. > > > > JohnY > You mean the ones from the black ops? :) > Who needs black ops when our armies are slaughtering civilians wholesale? I read a headline recently about the US killing 14 "insurgents" in Anbar province in Iraq. Only much further down in the story did it mention, by the way, that 45 women and children were killed with them when missiles were fired into two houses by helicopter gunships.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > jyouells2000 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote: > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" jyouells@ > >> wrote: > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > >>> > From The Washington Post this morning: > > An Iraq Interrogator's Nightmare > > >> > >> > >>> I wonder if the people who bomb market places feel any of > >>> the same regret? Do they feel regret before the 2nd bomb > >>> explodes to kill the rescuers or after? > >>> > >> So if they don't, that makes our regret superfluous? > >> Does it justify the torture? > >> > > > > Not superfluous, counterbalanced > > > > > > > >> If not, exactly what was the point of your question? > >> > >> > > > > To provide another perspective. > > To question the motives of the writer. Are they political, financial > > (setup for PTSD claim later), or is he really that out of perspective? > > Or are they true? > > > > > > > >> (Most of the bombers don't get a chance to feel > >> regret, by the way, because they get killed along > >> with everybody else.) > >> > >> > > > > I was asking about the remote ones, or the remote backup switch > > throwers. > > > > JohnY > You mean the ones from the black ops? :) > A hard lesson learned from the TMO - look for hidden motives ...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
jyouells2000 wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" jyouells@ >> wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: >>> From The Washington Post this morning: An Iraq Interrogator's Nightmare >> >> >>> I wonder if the people who bomb market places feel any of >>> the same regret? Do they feel regret before the 2nd bomb >>> explodes to kill the rescuers or after? >>> >> So if they don't, that makes our regret superfluous? >> Does it justify the torture? >> > > Not superfluous, counterbalanced > > > >> If not, exactly what was the point of your question? >> >> > > To provide another perspective. > To question the motives of the writer. Are they political, financial > (setup for PTSD claim later), or is he really that out of perspective? > Or are they true? > > > >> (Most of the bombers don't get a chance to feel >> regret, by the way, because they get killed along >> with everybody else.) >> >> > > I was asking about the remote ones, or the remote backup switch > throwers. > > JohnY You mean the ones from the black ops? :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" jyouells@ > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > From The Washington Post this morning: > > > > > > An Iraq Interrogator's Nightmare > > > I wonder if the people who bomb market places feel any of > > the same regret? Do they feel regret before the 2nd bomb > > explodes to kill the rescuers or after? > > So if they don't, that makes our regret superfluous? > Does it justify the torture? Not superfluous, counterbalanced > > If not, exactly what was the point of your question? > To provide another perspective. To question the motives of the writer. Are they political, financial (setup for PTSD claim later), or is he really that out of perspective? Or are they true? >(Most of the bombers don't get a chance to feel > regret, by the way, because they get killed along > with everybody else.) > I was asking about the remote ones, or the remote backup switch throwers. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > From The Washington Post this morning: > > > > An Iraq Interrogator's Nightmare > I wonder if the people who bomb market places feel any of > the same regret? Do they feel regret before the 2nd bomb > explodes to kill the rescuers or after? So if they don't, that makes our regret superfluous? Does it justify the torture? If not, exactly what was the point of your question? (Most of the bombers don't get a chance to feel regret, by the way, because they get killed along with everybody else.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From The Washington Post this morning: > > An Iraq Interrogator's Nightmare > > By Eric Fair > Friday, February 9, 2007; A19 > > A man with no face stares at me from the corner of a room. He pleads > for help, but I'm afraid to move. He begins to cry. It is a pitiful > sound, and it sickens me. He screams, but as I awaken, I realize the > screams are mine. > > That dream, along with a host of other nightmares, has plagued me > since my return from Iraq in the summer of 2004. Though the man in > this particular nightmare has no face, I know who he is. I assisted > in his interrogation at a detention facility in Fallujah. I was one > of two civilian interrogators assigned to the division interrogation > facility (DIF) of the 82nd Airborne Division. The man, whose name > I've long since forgotten, was a suspected associate of Khamis Sirhan > al-Muhammad, the Baath Party leader in Anbar province who had been > captured two months earlier. > > The lead interrogator at the DIF had given me specific instructions: > I was to deprive the detainee of sleep during my 12-hour shift by > opening his cell every hour, forcing him to stand in a corner and > stripping him of his clothes. Three years later the tables have > turned. It is rare that I sleep through the night without a visit > from this man. His memory harasses me as I once harassed him. > > Despite my best efforts, I cannot ignore the mistakes I made at the > interrogation facility in Fallujah. I failed to disobey a meritless > order, I failed to protect a prisoner in my custody, and I failed to > uphold the standards of human decency. Instead, I intimidated, > degraded and humiliated a man who could not defend himself. I > compromised my values. I will never forgive myself. > > American authorities continue to insist that the abuse of Iraqi > prisoners at Abu Ghraib was an isolated incident in an otherwise well- > run detention system. That insistence, however, stands in sharp > contrast to my own experiences as an interrogator in Iraq. I watched > as detainees were forced to stand naked all night, shivering in their > cold cells and pleading with their captors for help. Others were > subjected to long periods of isolation in pitch-black rooms. Food and > sleep deprivation were common, along with a variety of physical > abuse, including punching and kicking. Aggressive, and in many ways > abusive, techniques were used daily in Iraq, all in the name of > acquiring the intelligence necessary to bring an end to the > insurgency. The violence raging there today is evidence that those > tactics never worked. My memories are evidence that those tactics > were terribly wrong. > > While I was appalled by the conduct of my friends and colleagues, I > lacked the courage to challenge the status quo. That was a failure of > character and in many ways made me complicit in what went on. I'm > ashamed of that failure, but as time passes, and as the memories of > what I saw in Iraq continue to infect my every thought, I'm becoming > more ashamed of my silence. > > Some may suggest there is no reason to revive the story of abuse in > Iraq. Rehashing such mistakes will only harm our country, they will > say. But history suggests we should examine such missteps carefully. > Oppressive prison environments have created some of the most > determined opponents. The British learned that lesson from Napoleon, > the French from Ho Chi Minh, Europe from Hitler. The world is > learning that lesson again from Ayman al-Zawahiri. What will be the > legacy of abusive prisons in Iraq? > > We have failed to properly address the abuse of Iraqi detainees. Men > like me have refused to tell our stories, and our leaders have > refused to own up to the myriad mistakes that have been made. But if > we fail to address this problem, there can be no hope of success in > Iraq. Regardless of how many young Americans we send to war, or how > many militia members we kill, or how many Iraqis we train, or how > much money we spend on reconstruction, we will not escape the damage > we have done to the people of Iraq in our prisons. > > I am desperate to get on with my life and erase my memories of my > experiences in Iraq. But those memories and experiences do not belong > to me. They belong to history. If we're doomed to repeat the history > we forget, what will be the consequences of the history we never > knew? The citizens and the leadership of this country have an > obligation to revisit what took place in the interrogation booths of > Iraq, unpleasant as it may be. The story of Abu Ghraib isn't over. In > many ways, we have yet to open the book. > > > The writer served in the Army from 1995 to 2000 as an Arabic linguist > and worked in Iraq as a contract interrogator in early 2004. His e- > mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://tinyurl.com/yvl865 I wonder if the people who bomb market places feel any of the sam
