[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I found this paragraph interesting, if not creative. I am not sure about this. For one thing, don't Christians take their Jesus to be equal to God, part of the trinity? What do you think they take him as? That's the criticism of Islam, which is precisely that the Christians see him more than a prophet, but equal to God. If you think of God more in the Eastern way, which means not a personal God, then it is easier to see how a man can express that he is equal to God, that is, if he now locates his identity with the principle of consciousness itself. If someone has defeated the ego, one's limited imperfections, and is now completely clear and open to the transcendent, can he not say he IS God, in essence? I was taught about the divine right of Kings in the US education system. ~Avram3 Of course evangelicals take their Jesus to be equal to God. Why do you think people pray to Jesus? The son of God...I have never thought he was God. Never. I refuse. Read from Sentence 3 through the end. Pretty much sums it up don't ya think? Or? What else? Duality/Reality? Do we ever defeat the ego? Whaddya think? Didn't Jim used to address this kind of stuff? Fundamental Christians believe that Jesus is the ONLY son of God, this(IMO)is mistaken. We all have the power to realize our 'Son-ship' with God, and, in time, will all realize this latent potential as this, is, the Divine Plan. Yes, and the Christian Bible distinguishes between the Sons of Man (regular humans) and the Son of God (Jesus). More liberal Christians would agree with you, that each soul has the capacity to recognize that they really are a Son of God, that our idea of Enlightenment is the equivalent of becoming a Son of God. The ego can never say it is God, better to say God is the 'I' in meperhaps. Like you suggested, the ego stands as the imposter.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: snip I think Yogananda wrote some long translations and commentary of the Gita from a Christian perspective, explaining the similarities between Hinduism/Gita and Christianity, what the terms in the Bible really mean in Hindu terms etc. Yogananda claimed to see Jesus and talk with him. He was devoted to Jesus and saw him as a realized Master. This is completely consistent with my premise that there are many prophets, but only one ultimate God/Energy/Universe.  Tee Hee.  When in my believing in spirituality mode, I agree with you! Reading Yogananda can be very sweet, uplifting, and convincing. From: Susan wayback71@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I found this paragraph interesting, if not creative.  I am not sure about this. For one thing, don't Christians take their Jesus to be equal to God, part of the trinity? What do you think they take him as? One of 3 different manifestations of the Divine: God (unmanifest), the earthy/human manifestation is the Son, or Jesus, and the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, which is not manifest like Jesus but is the active agent of God in the universe and on earth. All are equal aspects of the Divine, with God as the more Unbounded/Unmanifest version. Jesus had to go thru an evolution process to realize his true nature as the Son, though. That's the criticism of Islam, which is precisely that the Christians see him more than a prophet, but equal to God. If you think of God more in the Eastern way, which means not a personal God, then it is easier to see how a man can express that he is equal to God, that is, if he now locates his identity with the principle of consciousness itself. If someone has defeated the ego, one's limited imperfections, and is now completely clear and open to the transcendent, can he not say he IS God, in essence?  Most mainstream Christians would agree with this understanding, that Jesus, even while representing God on earth, was also human and had to go thru typical human suffering and growth until he became pure enough to realize his divinity. Still, they think of Jesus as a special human since he is God's Son and his personal mission was to send a message about God to humanity. And somehow (can't get this straight) his death wiped out humanity's sins, or wiped out that bad karma for all believers in Jesus.  I was taught about the divine right of Kings in the US education system.  ~Avram3 Of course evangelicals take their Jesus to be equal to God. I think most evangelicals feel that if you don't accept Jesus as your savior and as the Son of God, then you won't be saved from all your sins by Jesus and cannot go to Heaven in the afterlife. This is in contrast to more mainstream Christianity, where many churches believe that there are many paths to God, but theirs is Jesus. They tend to think that good people of many faiths will be with God after death, whether thru Jesus or their own faith. One of the main ideas in Christianity is that good works do not earn you admission to Heaven. It is the Belief that counts, even if that belief in God/Jesus/Holy Ghost happens in the last minutes of a nasty life. So, if you accept Jesus then, and really believe, you are saved. As opposed to Judaism, where faith is not an issue, but observances are important.  Why do you think people pray to Jesus? They pray to Jesus for assistance or comfort. And Catholics also pray to the mother of Jesus (Mary) and a whole host of saints (formerly alive people who have been granted sainthood due to performing miracles). They believe that Jesus or Mary or saints or God can intervene in our affairs. Similar to Hindus doing yagyas and making offerings to get some assistance and to change earthly circumstances. The son of God...I have never thought he was God.  Never.  I refuse.  Read from Sentence 3 through the end.  Pretty much sums it up don't ya think?  Or? What else?  Duality/Reality?  Do we ever defeat the ego?  Whaddya think? Sounds as if Jesus had some good spiritual experiences and was charismatic and had some followers who got some real benefits from his very powerful darshan. People probably misunderstood much of what he talked about. Didn't Jim used to address this kind of stuff? I think Yogananda wrote some long translations and commentary of the Gita from a Christian perspective, explaining the similarities between Hinduism/Gita and Christianity, what the terms in the Bible really mean in Hindu terms etc.Yogananda claimed to see Jesus and talk with him. He was devoted to Jesus
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I found this paragraph interesting, if not creative. I am not sure about this. For one thing, don't Christians take their Jesus to be equal to God, part of the trinity? What do you think they take him as? One of 3 different manifestations of the Divine: God (unmanifest), the earthy/human manifestation is the Son, or Jesus, and the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, which is not manifest like Jesus but is the active agent of God in the universe and on earth. All are equal aspects of the Divine, with God as the more Unbounded/Unmanifest version. Jesus had to go thru an evolution process to realize his true nature as the Son, though. You might like the Hindu anecdote of SAT, TAT, OM, or the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Father being the unmanifest Being, the OM Mother Divine(Prakriti)and the Son being the pure reflection (formless) of Being (IN CREATION) also what MMY called Brahm (pure light, the light of God). Yes, I do. I had forgotten this, thanks for bringing it up. That's the criticism of Islam, which is precisely that the Christians see him more than a prophet, but equal to God. If you think of God more in the Eastern way, which means not a personal God, then it is easier to see how a man can express that he is equal to God, that is, if he now locates his identity with the principle of consciousness itself. If someone has defeated the ego, one's limited imperfections, and is now completely clear and open to the transcendent, can he not say he IS God, in essence? Most mainstream Christians would agree with this understanding, that Jesus, even while representing God on earth, was also human and had to go thru typical human suffering and growth until he became pure enough to realize his divinity. Still, they think of Jesus as a special human since he is God's Son and his personal mission was to send a message about God to humanity. And somehow (can't get this straight) his death wiped out humanity's sins, or wiped out that bad karma for all believers in Jesus. I was taught about the divine right of Kings in the US education system. ~Avram3 Of course evangelicals take their Jesus to be equal to God. I think most evangelicals feel that if you don't accept Jesus as your savior and as the Son of God, then you won't be saved from all your sins by Jesus and cannot go to Heaven in the afterlife. This is in contrast to more mainstream Christianity, where many churches believe that there are many paths to God, but theirs is Jesus. They tend to think that good people of many faiths will be with God after death, whether thru Jesus or their own faith. One of the main ideas in Christianity is that good works do not earn you admission to Heaven. It is the Belief that counts, even if that belief in God/Jesus/Holy Ghost happens in the last minutes of a nasty life. So, if you accept Jesus then, and really believe, you are saved. As opposed to Judaism, where faith is not an issue, but observances are important. Why do you think people pray to Jesus? They pray to Jesus for assistance or comfort. And Catholics also pray to the mother of Jesus (Mary) and a whole host of saints (formerly alive people who have been granted sainthood due to performing miracles). They believe that Jesus or Mary or saints or God can intervene in our affairs. Similar to Hindus doing yagyas and making offerings to get some assistance and to change earthly circumstances. The son of God...I have never thought he was God. Never. I refuse. Read from Sentence 3 through the end. Pretty much sums it up don't ya think? Or? What else? Duality/Reality? Do we ever defeat the ego? Whaddya think? Sounds as if Jesus had some good spiritual experiences and was charismatic and had some followers who got some real benefits from his very powerful darshan. People probably misunderstood much of what he talked about. Didn't Jim used to address this kind of stuff? I think Yogananda wrote some long translations and commentary of the Gita from a Christian perspective, explaining the similarities between Hinduism/Gita and Christianity, what the terms in the Bible really mean in Hindu terms etc.Yogananda claimed to see Jesus and talk with him. He was devoted to Jesus and saw him as a realized Master.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God
Hm.when you are not in your believing in spirituality mode, what do you think? From: Susan waybac...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 6:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: snip I think Yogananda wrote some long translations and commentary of the Gita from a Christian perspective, explaining the similarities between Hinduism/Gita and Christianity, what the terms in the Bible really mean in Hindu terms etc. Yogananda claimed to see Jesus and talk with him. He was devoted to Jesus and saw him as a realized Master. This is completely consistent with my premise that there are many prophets, but only one ultimate God/Energy/Universe.  Tee Hee.  When in my believing in spirituality mode, I agree with you! Reading Yogananda can be very sweet, uplifting, and convincing. From: Susan wayback71@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I found this paragraph interesting, if not creative.  I am not sure about this. For one thing, don't Christians take their Jesus to be equal to God, part of the trinity? What do you think they take him as? One of 3 different manifestations of the Divine: God (unmanifest), the earthy/human manifestation is the Son, or Jesus, and the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, which is not manifest like Jesus but is the active agent of God in the universe and on earth. All are equal aspects of the Divine, with God as the more Unbounded/Unmanifest version. Jesus had to go thru an evolution process to realize his true nature as the Son, though. That's the criticism of Islam, which is precisely that the Christians see him more than a prophet, but equal to God. If you think of God more in the Eastern way, which means not a personal God, then it is easier to see how a man can express that he is equal to God, that is, if he now locates his identity with the principle of consciousness itself. If someone has defeated the ego, one's limited imperfections, and is now completely clear and open to the transcendent, can he not say he IS God, in essence?  Most mainstream Christians would agree with this understanding, that Jesus, even while representing God on earth, was also human and had to go thru typical human suffering and growth until he became pure enough to realize his divinity. Still, they think of Jesus as a special human since he is God's Son and his personal mission was to send a message about God to humanity. And somehow (can't get this straight) his death wiped out humanity's sins, or wiped out that bad karma for all believers in Jesus.  I was taught about the divine right of Kings in the US education system.  ~Avram3 Of course evangelicals take their Jesus to be equal to God. I think most evangelicals feel that if you don't accept Jesus as your savior and as the Son of God, then you won't be saved from all your sins by Jesus and cannot go to Heaven in the afterlife. This is in contrast to more mainstream Christianity, where many churches believe that there are many paths to God, but theirs is Jesus. They tend to think that good people of many faiths will be with God after death, whether thru Jesus or their own faith. One of the main ideas in Christianity is that good works do not earn you admission to Heaven. It is the Belief that counts, even if that belief in God/Jesus/Holy Ghost happens in the last minutes of a nasty life. So, if you accept Jesus then, and really believe, you are saved. As opposed to Judaism, where faith is not an issue, but observances are important.  Why do you think people pray to Jesus? They pray to Jesus for assistance or comfort. And Catholics also pray to the mother of Jesus (Mary) and a whole host of saints (formerly alive people who have been granted sainthood due to performing miracles). They believe that Jesus or Mary or saints or God can intervene in our affairs. Similar to Hindus doing yagyas and making offerings to get some assistance and to change earthly circumstances. The son of God...I have never thought he was God.  Never.  I refuse.  Read from Sentence 3 through the end.  Pretty much sums it up don't ya think?  Or? What else?  Duality/Reality?  Do we ever defeat the ego?  Whaddya think? Sounds as if Jesus had some good spiritual experiences and was charismatic and had some followers who got some real benefits from his very powerful darshan. People probably misunderstood much of what he talked about. Didn't Jim used to address this kind of stuff? I think Yogananda wrote some
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Hm.when you are not in your believing in spirituality mode, what do you think?  Then, I think that our religious and spiritual beliefs are a way of describing experiences that happen in the brain and feel like they are outside of us, feel like they point to something bigger and meaningful and orderly. Our beliefs accurately describe the special experiences of generations and generations of people. And we built up belief systems around those experiences - and tossed in some wishful thinking, too. I think believing in some of these religions can make us feel better, give us hope, comfort us in the face of the possibility that there is nothing after the body and brain die. So Jesus could have been enlightened and in touch with his God (internally) and feel one with God, and have incredibly powerful energy or darshan that he radiated, but this might not mean that there is more to him that lives after he dies, only that he had a nervous system that functioned in a special way that just relatively few humans have had happen. This does not mean that there is no such thing as enlightenment, but that perhaps enlightenment is a style of brain functioning, that's it. I prefer the more spiritual and religious way of looking at life and feel better and happier when I think like that. I like to believe that enlightenment is a window into a bigger Reality. That there is more than the brain generating consciousness. That, instead, consciousness generates everything. I just sometimes have some doubts. From: Susan wayback71@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 6:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: snip I think Yogananda wrote some long translations and commentary of the Gita from a Christian perspective, explaining the similarities between Hinduism/Gita and Christianity, what the terms in the Bible really mean in Hindu terms etc. Yogananda claimed to see Jesus and talk with him. He was devoted to Jesus and saw him as a realized Master. This is completely consistent with my premise that there are many prophets, but only one ultimate God/Energy/Universe. àTee Hee. àWhen in my believing in spirituality mode, I agree with you! Reading Yogananda can be very sweet, uplifting, and convincing. From: Susan wayback71@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I found this paragraph interesting, if not creative. àI am not sure about this.àFor one thing, don't Christians take their Jesus to be equal to God, part of the trinity?àWhat do you think they take him as? One of 3 different manifestations of the Divine: God (unmanifest), the earthy/human manifestation is the Son, or Jesus, and the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, which is not manifest like Jesus but is the active agent of God in the universe and on earth.àAll are equal aspects of the Divine, with God as the more Unbounded/Unmanifest version. Jesus had to go thru an evolution process to realize his true nature as the Son, though. That's the criticism of Islam, which is precisely that the Christians see him more than a prophet, but equal to God.àIf you think of God more in the Eastern way, which means not a personal God, then it is easier to see how a man can express that he is equal to God, that is, if he now locates his identity with the principle of consciousness itself.àIf someone has defeated the ego, one's limited imperfections, and is now completely clear and open to the transcendent, can he not say he IS God, in essence? àMost mainstream Christians would agree with this understanding, that Jesus, even while representing God on earth, was also human and had to go thru typical human suffering and growth until he became pure enough to realize his divinity. Still, they think of Jesus as a special human since he is God's Son and his personal mission was to send a message about God to humanity. And somehow (can't get this straight) his death wiped out humanity's sins, or wiped out that bad karma for all believers in Jesus. àI was taught about the divine right of Kings in the US education system. à~Avram3 Of course evangelicals take their Jesus to be equal to God. I think most evangelicals feel that if you don't accept Jesus as your savior and as the Son of God, then you won't be saved from all your sins by Jesus and cannot go to Heaven in the afterlife. This is in contrast
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: snip I think Yogananda wrote some long translations and commentary of the Gita from a Christian perspective, explaining the similarities between Hinduism/Gita and Christianity, what the terms in the Bible really mean in Hindu terms etc. Yogananda claimed to see Jesus and talk with him. He was devoted to Jesus and saw him as a realized Master. This is completely consistent with my premise that there are many prophets, but only one ultimate God/Energy/Universe.  Tee Hee.  When in my believing in spirituality mode, I agree with you! Reading Yogananda can be very sweet, uplifting, and convincing. Hello all, When I was just a teenager fresh out of high school, my first venture into spirituality other than Yogananda was the purchase of a five-volume set of books entitled Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East authored by Baird T. Spalding (ISBN 0-87516-084-0, copyright 1924, 1937, 1964). From the foreward by Mr. Spalding: In presenting The Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East I wish to state that I was one of a research party of eleven persons that visited the Far East in 1894. During our stay - three and a half years - we contacted the Great Masters of the Himalayas, who aided us in the translation of the records...They permitted us to enter into their lives intimately, and we were thus able to see the actual working of the great Law as demonstrated by them...Personally, at that time, I thought the world was not ready for this message...This book...gives the first year's experience of the expedition in relation to the Masters...The Masters accept that Buddha represents the Way to Enlightenment, but they clearly set forth that Christ IS Enlightenment, or a state of consciousness for which we are all seeking - the Christ light of every individual; therefore, the light of every child that is born into the world. In addition of many miracles witnessed by the scientists, the Masters were visited by Christ on many occasions and his teachings were explained in light of the Eastern traditions of spiritual knowledge. It is fascinating reading and makes perfect sense. Well, that's my contribution to this discussion. Thanks for listening. From: Susan wayback71@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I found this paragraph interesting, if not creative.  I am not sure about this. For one thing, don't Christians take their Jesus to be equal to God, part of the trinity? What do you think they take him as? One of 3 different manifestations of the Divine: God (unmanifest), the earthy/human manifestation is the Son, or Jesus, and the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, which is not manifest like Jesus but is the active agent of God in the universe and on earth. All are equal aspects of the Divine, with God as the more Unbounded/Unmanifest version. Jesus had to go thru an evolution process to realize his true nature as the Son, though. That's the criticism of Islam, which is precisely that the Christians see him more than a prophet, but equal to God. If you think of God more in the Eastern way, which means not a personal God, then it is easier to see how a man can express that he is equal to God, that is, if he now locates his identity with the principle of consciousness itself. If someone has defeated the ego, one's limited imperfections, and is now completely clear and open to the transcendent, can he not say he IS God, in essence?  Most mainstream Christians would agree with this understanding, that Jesus, even while representing God on earth, was also human and had to go thru typical human suffering and growth until he became pure enough to realize his divinity. Still, they think of Jesus as a special human since he is God's Son and his personal mission was to send a message about God to humanity. And somehow (can't get this straight) his death wiped out humanity's sins, or wiped out that bad karma for all believers in Jesus.  I was taught about the divine right of Kings in the US education system.  ~Avram3 Of course evangelicals take their Jesus to be equal to God. I think most evangelicals feel that if you don't accept Jesus as your savior and as the Son of God, then you won't be saved from all your sins by Jesus and cannot go to Heaven in the afterlife. This is in contrast to more mainstream Christianity, where many churches believe that there are many paths to God, but theirs is Jesus. They tend to think that good people of many faiths will be with God after death, whether thru Jesus or their own faith. One of the main ideas in Christianity is that good works do not earn you admission
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Thank you Susan and Laughinggull. I appreciate it. From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: snip I think Yogananda wrote some long translations and commentary of the Gita from a Christian perspective, explaining the similarities between Hinduism/Gita and Christianity, what the terms in the Bible really mean in Hindu terms etc. Yogananda claimed to see Jesus and talk with him. He was devoted to Jesus and saw him as a realized Master. This is completely consistent with my premise that there are many prophets, but only one ultimate God/Energy/Universe.  Tee Hee.  When in my believing in spirituality mode, I agree with you! Reading Yogananda can be very sweet, uplifting, and convincing. Hello all, When I was just a teenager fresh out of high school, my first venture into spirituality other than Yogananda was the purchase of a five-volume set of books entitled Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East authored by Baird T. Spalding (ISBN 0-87516-084-0, copyright 1924, 1937, 1964). From the foreward by Mr. Spalding: In presenting The Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East I wish to state that I was one of a research party of eleven persons that visited the Far East in 1894. During our stay - three and a half years - we contacted the Great Masters of the Himalayas, who aided us in the translation of the records...They permitted us to enter into their lives intimately, and we were thus able to see the actual working of the great Law as demonstrated by them...Personally, at that time, I thought the world was not ready for this message...This book...gives the first year's experience of the expedition in relation to the Masters...The Masters accept that Buddha represents the Way to Enlightenment, but they clearly set forth that Christ IS Enlightenment, or a state of consciousness for which we are all seeking - the Christ light of every individual; therefore, the light of every child that is born into the world. In addition of many miracles witnessed by the scientists, the Masters were visited by Christ on many occasions and his teachings were explained in light of the Eastern traditions of spiritual knowledge. It is fascinating reading and makes perfect sense. Well, that's my contribution to this discussion. Thanks for listening. From: Susan wayback71@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Jesus = to God  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I found this paragraph interesting, if not creative.  I am not sure about this. For one thing, don't Christians take their Jesus to be equal to God, part of the trinity? What do you think they take him as? One of 3 different manifestations of the Divine: God (unmanifest), the earthy/human manifestation is the Son, or Jesus, and the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, which is not manifest like Jesus but is the active agent of God in the universe and on earth. All are equal aspects of the Divine, with God as the more Unbounded/Unmanifest version. Jesus had to go thru an evolution process to realize his true nature as the Son, though. That's the criticism of Islam, which is precisely that the Christians see him more than a prophet, but equal to God. If you think of God more in the Eastern way, which means not a personal God, then it is easier to see how a man can express that he is equal to God, that is, if he now locates his identity with the principle of consciousness itself. If someone has defeated the ego, one's limited imperfections, and is now completely clear and open to the transcendent, can he not say he IS God, in essence?  Most mainstream Christians would agree with this understanding, that Jesus, even while representing God on earth, was also human and had to go thru typical human suffering and growth until he became pure enough to realize his divinity. Still, they think of Jesus as a special human since he is God's Son and his personal mission was to send a message about God to humanity. And somehow (can't get this straight) his death wiped out humanity's sins, or wiped out that bad karma for all believers in Jesus.  I was taught about the divine right of Kings in the US education system.  ~Avram3 Of course evangelicals take their Jesus to be equal to God. I think most evangelicals feel that if you don't accept Jesus as your savior and as the Son of God, then you won't be saved from all your sins
