[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Oxytocin the Missing Link in the TM-Not-100%-Beneficial Story?

2014-04-02 Thread awoelflebater

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I hope a few out-of-the-box thinkers here w.r.t. TM and meditation in general 
have been having fun with the Oxytocin articles and studies I've been posting 
today. I know I sure have. Here's another one:
 

 http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html 
http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html
 
I find all the research I've discovered this morning fascinating, because for 
me it helps to explain the phenomenon I've witnessed in the TMO and in 
long-term TM meditators for years. That is, the "disconnect" they seem to have 
between their desire to believe what they were told by Maharishi -- "TM is 100% 
life-supporting and has no negative side effects" -- and the *obvious* 
contradictions to that they see in front of their own eyes, but somehow find a 
way to ignore or deny. 

TMers cling to the "100% positive" meme even if they have witnessed with their 
own eyes people freaking out and entering psychotic states while on long TM 
courses, or even committing suicide on them. They cling to this meme *even if 
it's happened to them* (not the suicide part, of course), and they've spent 
days, weeks, or months in the "heavy unstressing" groups themselves. 

What if it all comes down to TM creating elevated Oxytocin levels?

High Oxytocin levels would certainly explain the "blissninny" phenomenon, and 
why people feel so blissy and good after meditating, especially on long 
courses, where they're doing a lot of it. It would explain the enhanced 
affinity they feel for "the group" (meaning fellow TMers) and the *lack* of 
affinity (downright disdain and scorn in some cases...see Buck's rants about 
"non-meditators" or Nabby's rants about "Buddhists") who are NOT in the group. 

It would explain the extent to which people will perform unethical acts and say 
untruthful things to "protect the group." Who, after all, would smuggle huge 
sums of cash across international borders just because they were told to do so 
by the group, or lie to people in intro lectures about TM having no religious 
connotations *just after attending a 'celebration' in which they had personally 
invoked the names of Hindu gods and bowed to them* if they *weren't* "dosed" 
with some powerful psychotropic chemical? High Oxytocin levels explain the cult 
apologetics we see as an integral part of how the TMO "does business," and why 
otherwise seemingly sane people go out of their way to participate in 
untruthful spin out of misplaced loyalty to "the group." 

High Oxytocin levels even explain why some who were latently suffering from 
Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder find those 
types of behaviors enhanced after long-term practice of TM and begin to act 
them out. High Oxytocin levels explain the obvious envy present when TMers put 
down practitioners of other forms of meditation who "get more scientific press" 
than TM does, or who find it easier to find new students than they do. 

I think there is "meat" here for a real study of the effects of meditation, and 
how it can seem to produce positive results, but *at the same time* seem to 
produce other, far less positive results. 

Of course, no one in the TM movement will ever be willing to undertake such a 
study, because if it turned out to prove my hypothesis, they'd have disproved 
one of Maharishi's primary pieces of dogma: "TM is 100% life-supporting and has 
no negative side effects."

And y'know...Oxytocin even explains WHY they believe such dogma. Oxytocin 
increases *trust*, and the willingness to believe what you've been told to 
believe. 
 

 Oxy moron.


 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Oxytocin the Missing Link in the TM-Not-100%-Beneficial Story?

2014-04-02 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I hope a few out-of-the-box thinkers here w.r.t. TM and meditation in general 
have been having fun with the Oxytocin articles and studies I've been posting 
today. I know I sure have. 
 

 It made me laugh
 

 Here's another one:
 

 http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html 
http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html
 
I find all the research I've discovered this morning fascinating, because for 
me it helps to explain the phenomenon I've witnessed in the TMO and in 
long-term TM meditators for years. That is, the "disconnect" they seem to have 
between their desire to believe what they were told by Maharishi -- "TM is 100% 
life-supporting and has no negative side effects" -- and the *obvious* 
contradictions to that they see in front of their own eyes, but somehow find a 
way to ignore or deny. 

TMers cling to the "100% positive" meme even if they have witnessed with their 
own eyes people freaking out and entering psychotic states while on long TM 
courses, or even committing suicide on them. They cling to this meme *even if 
it's happened to them* (not the suicide part, of course), and they've spent 
days, weeks, or months in the "heavy unstressing" groups themselves. 

What if it all comes down to TM creating elevated Oxytocin levels?

High Oxytocin levels would certainly explain the "blissninny" phenomenon, and 
why people feel so blissy and good after meditating, especially on long 
courses, where they're doing a lot of it. It would explain the enhanced 
affinity they feel for "the group" (meaning fellow TMers) and the *lack* of 
affinity (downright disdain and scorn in some cases...see Buck's rants about 
"non-meditators" or Nabby's rants about "Buddhists") who are NOT in the group. 

It would explain the extent to which people will perform unethical acts and say 
untruthful things to "protect the group." Who, after all, would smuggle huge 
sums of cash across international borders just because they were told to do so 
by the group, or lie to people in intro lectures about TM having no religious 
connotations *just after attending a 'celebration' in which they had personally 
invoked the names of Hindu gods and bowed to them* if they *weren't* "dosed" 
with some powerful psychotropic chemical? High Oxytocin levels explain the cult 
apologetics we see as an integral part of how the TMO "does business," and why 
otherwise seemingly sane people go out of their way to participate in 
untruthful spin out of misplaced loyalty to "the group." 

High Oxytocin levels even explain why some who were latently suffering from 
Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder find those 
types of behaviors enhanced after long-term practice of TM and begin to act 
them out. High Oxytocin levels explain the obvious envy present when TMers put 
down practitioners of other forms of meditation who "get more scientific press" 
than TM does, or who find it easier to find new students than they do. 

I think there is "meat" here for a real study of the effects of meditation, and 
how it can seem to produce positive results, but *at the same time* seem to 
produce other, far less positive results. 
 

 Could be another job for Susan Blackmore. 

Of course, no one in the TM movement will ever be willing to undertake such a 
study, because if it turned out to prove my hypothesis, they'd have disproved 
one of Maharishi's primary pieces of dogma: "TM is 100% life-supporting and has 
no negative side effects."
 

 How about TM and anger problems. Seems like a lot of people get stroppy and 
intense when they are rounding or living in academies. I certainly did, 
especially after prog. "Unstressing" of course, but damn persistent. A rich 
seam of research is waiting someone.

And y'know...Oxytocin even explains WHY they believe such dogma. Oxytocin 
increases *trust*, and the willingness to believe what you've been told to 
believe.