[FairfieldLife] Re: Kwai Chang Caine drops the body on purpose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: I think what a lot of people don't realize is that the planet in Vedic Astrology that is primarily responsible for enlightenment is the same planet that is primarily associated with suicide. Read in depth about Ketu, and some of the traits associated with it, and you'll understand. This is a basic concept a lot of people involved with spirituality don't understand. The basis of spirituality is utter frustration with material life. That frustration leads to one of two things: Liberation or Suicide. But the frustration in the beginning is a sign that the soul is at least maturing, even if unable to take the hard hits for a lifetime. Isn't it fascinating how the people who sought refuge in a spiritual path because they were... uh...clinically depressed, near unto suicide, find all sorts of ways to project their own depression onto the larger world of spirituality? Here's a guy who honestly seems to believe that the ONLY reason one would become interested in spirituality is frustration with material life. That may be the reason *HE* became interested in spirituality, but it certainly doesn't describe me, or thousands of people over the centuries who became interested in spirituality because *it was interesting*. We didn't flee to spirituality, or seek refuge there from a world we were afraid of and unable to cope with, we chose to *include* another side of the world (the spiritual world) into one we already enjoyed and had some success and a lot of fun with (the material world). We do not feel -- and have never felt -- that one has to reject one to enjoy the other. The conjunction of the spiritual and the material worlds is best described by both/and, not either/or. Liberation or suicide? And those are the only two choices this guy can see? Sounds like mental ill- ness to me, not spirituality. That's bipolar disorder, perceiving the world as either/or when it is really both/and.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kwai Chang Caine drops the body on purpose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Duveyoung wrote: Hmmm, here's a guy who played an enlightened person -- guess mood making isn't a very good technique... Only a troll would use David Carradine's death as an excuse to bash the Marshy. You're either a psychopath or a sociopath. Either way, you're one sick individual. Why are you TMO types so screwed up in the head? I fail to see how that is bashing MMY. If Edg is pointing out that mood-making isn't a very good thing then isn't that SUPPORTING MMY's teaching in which mood-making was frowned upon?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kwai Chang Caine drops the body on purpose
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:54 AM, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.netwrote: If Edg is pointing out that mood-making isn't a very good thing then isn't that SUPPORTING MMY's teaching in which mood-making was frowned upon? Maharishi spoke against mood making but around the turn of the millennium mood making was redefined. The emphasis became what you place your attention on will grow. The very mood making Maharishi spoke against years ago is both practiced and honored on the MUM campus. There are a lot of people on FFL, all of them off the program, who strive to exhibit equanimity and spirituality. This runs all the way from Vaj, who wants us to believe he's The Buddha to Barry, who thinks it's a good thing to push people's buttons (try it where I live and you die), to Rick, who's given us insight into how he keeps his perspective by looking at pictures of how big the cosmos is versus how little we are. If nothing else, all of the speeches Bevin, John and others give are designed to focus our attention on seeing things in a cosmic perspective. Reading the #1 Invincible America experiences serve the purpose of egging other CPs on to also having these experiences. Mood making is good. It's official. -- Pretty. Smart. Sane. Pick two.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kwai Chang Caine drops the body on purpose
You might want to look to which planet rules masturbation because Hong Kong police have ruled it death by masturbation. That should prove quite an embarrassment to the family. But Hollywood folks tend to live wild and woolly lives and take things to extremes. Of course some might say that folks on FFL might have that same planetary signification. ;-) seekliberation wrote: I think what a lot of people don't realize is that the planet in Vedic Astrology that is primarily responsible for enlightenment is the same planet that is primarily associated with suicide. Read in depth about Ketu, and some of the traits associated with it, and you'll understand. This is a basic concept a lot of people involved with spirituality don't understand. The basis of spirituality is utter frustration with material life. That frustration leads to one of two things: Liberation or Suicide. But the frustration in the beginning is a sign that the soul is at least maturing, even if unable to take the hard hits for a lifetime. Seekliberation (aka - Mike Brown)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kwai Chang Caine drops the body on purpose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:54 AM, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@...wrote: If Edg is pointing out that mood-making isn't a very good thing then isn't that SUPPORTING MMY's teaching in which mood-making was frowned upon? Maharishi spoke against mood making but around the turn of the millennium mood making was redefined. The emphasis became what you place your attention on will grow. The very mood making Maharishi spoke against years ago is both practiced and honored on the MUM campus. There are a lot of people on FFL, all of them off the program, who strive to exhibit equanimity and spirituality. This runs all the way from Vaj, who wants us to believe he's The Buddha to Barry, who thinks it's a good thing to push people's buttons (try it where I live and you die), to Rick, who's given us insight into how he keeps his perspective by looking at pictures of how big the cosmos is versus how little we are. If nothing else, all of the speeches Bevin, John and others give are designed to focus our attention on seeing things in a cosmic perspective. Reading the #1 Invincible America experiences serve the purpose of egging other CPs on to also having these experiences. Mood making is good. It's official. We, there's mood making to try to convince yourself that you are enlightened, and there's mood-making as in being polite and socially acceptable. A lot of upper rank TMers seem to miss the distinction. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kwai Chang Caine drops the body on purpose
Here's a guy who honestly seems to believe that the ONLY reason one would become interested in spirituality is frustration with material life. I don't beleive that the only reason people become interested in spirituality is due to 'depression' or frustration with material life. Anyone of any nature can get involved with any experience. For example, you don't have to grow up in a rough neighborhood to become interested in martial arts. But generally, it's those who have been attacked the most who will become the best fighters, not the people who are interested in martial arts, and I feel the same with spirituality. It seems in any bible, or vedic scripture, the characters held in most esteem who make the most spiritual progress are those who are at some point pushed to the edge where they are forced to surrender to divinity, as opposed to people who have a 'mental curiosity' about divinity That may be the reason *HE* became interested in spirituality, but it certainly doesn't describe me, or thousands of people over the centuries who became interested in spirituality because *it was interesting*. Generally, interesting is a quality associated with Mercury, a mental planet, and also considered the most superficial of all the planets influencing our consciousness. A lot of meditators and governers i've met have mercury in the 8th, 9th or 12th house. I'm just saying that you shouldn't consider mental interest in something as a tendency to capture the essence of a certain experience. We didn't flee to spirituality, or seek refuge there from a world we were afraid of and unable to cope with, we chose to *include* another side of the world (the spiritual world) into one we already enjoyed and had some success and a lot of fun with (the material world). We do not feel -- and have never felt -- that one has to reject one to enjoy the other. The conjunction of the spiritual and the material worlds is best described by both/and, not either/or. This approach to spirituality is best characterized by Venus and Jupiter, both are Brahman planets that allow our consciousness to live in this world and experience the benefits of spirituality simultaneously. I agree with you that this is a more balance approach to living in this world. Liberation or suicide? And those are the only two choices this guy can see? Sounds like mental ill- ness to me, not spirituality. That's bipolar disorder, perceiving the world as either/or when it is really both/and. Liberation and suicide are clearly 2 polar extremes of the same planet (ketu). And yes, it's a sign of bi-polar snydrome. I was pointing this out due to an earlier post stating something wrong with David Carradine. The general attitude about suicide is that the individual must be of lower consciousness, or generally unevolved. Same with the planet Mars, which has 2 extremes, courage or temper problems. Or Jupiter, wisdom or arrogance, or Venus, Beauty or Extravagance. I wasn't implying that it's one or the other, but more so it's a matter of how well our consciousness handles the influence of a certain planet. Whether we express the positive or negative quality of a specific planet is dependant on our handling of its energy. But it's not necessarily a sign of how evolved we are. But then again, there's a theory that the whole suicide thing is some sort of 'masturbation attempt'. seekliberation (Mike Brown)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kwai Chang Caine drops the body on purpose
Duveyoung wrote: Hmmm, here's a guy who played an enlightened person -- guess mood making isn't a very good technique... Only a troll would use David Carradine's death as an excuse to bash the Marshy. You're either a psychopath or a sociopath. Either way, you're one sick individual. Why are you TMO types so screwed up in the head?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kwai Chang Caine drops the body on purpose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Hmmm, here's a guy who played an enlightened person -- guess mood making isn't a very good technique. Edg Actor David Carradine found dead in Bangkok Here is what telegraph.co.uk reported: http://is.gd/ObFT Thai police told the BBC the 72-year-old was found by a hotel maid sitting in a wardrobe with a rope around his neck and other body parts. However, that article has been edited since I first read it this morning. It used to read: Thai police told the BBC the 72-year-old was found by a hotel maid sitting in a wardrobe with a rope around his neck and genitals. Sounds to me like he was bustin' a nut with autoerotic asphyxiation and accidentally killed himself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kwai Chang Caine drops the body on purpose
Alex Stanley wrote: Sounds to me like he was bustin' a nut with autoerotic asphyxiation and accidentally killed himself. Maybe so - I guess you would know about these things. LOL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kwai Chang Caine drops the body on purpose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Alex Stanley wrote: Sounds to me like he was bustin' a nut with autoerotic asphyxiation and accidentally killed himself. Maybe so - I guess you would know about these things. LOL! No more so than any other pop phenomenon. I first heard of it when Michael Hutchence, the lead singer of INXS, was rumored to have died that way.
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On Jun 4, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Thai police told the BBC the 72-year-old was found by a hotel maid sitting in a wardrobe with a rope around his neck and genitals. Sounds to me like he was bustin' a nut with autoerotic asphyxiation and accidentally killed himself. Well, at least he went out with a bang, and not a whimper... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kwai Chang Caine drops the body on purpose
I think what a lot of people don't realize is that the planet in Vedic Astrology that is primarily responsible for enlightenment is the same planet that is primarily associated with suicide. Read in depth about Ketu, and some of the traits associated with it, and you'll understand. This is a basic concept a lot of people involved with spirituality don't understand. The basis of spirituality is utter frustration with material life. That frustration leads to one of two things: Liberation or Suicide. But the frustration in the beginning is a sign that the soul is at least maturing, even if unable to take the hard hits for a lifetime. Seekliberation (aka - Mike Brown) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Hmmm, here's a guy who played an enlightened person -- guess mood making isn't a very good technique. Edg Actor David Carradine found dead in Bangkok Actor David Carradine, star of the 1970s TV series Kung Fu who also had a wide-ranging career in the movies, has been found dead in the Thai capital, Bangkok. A news report said he was found hanged in his hotel room and was believed to have committed suicide. A spokesman for the U.S. Embassy, Michael Turner, confirmed the death of the 72-year-old actor. He said the embassy was informed by Thai authorities that Carradine died either late Wednesday or early Thursday, but he could not provide further details out of consideration for his family. www.4everinmyheart.com The Web site of the Thai newspaper The Nation cited unidentified police sources as saying Carradine was found Thursday hanged in his luxury hotel room. It said Carradine was in Bangkok to shoot a movie and had been staying at the hotel since Tuesday. The newspaper said Carradine could not be contacted after he failed to appear for a meal with the rest of the film crew on Wednesday, and that his body was found by a hotel maid at 10 a.m. Thursday morning. The name of the movie was not immediately available. It said a preliminary police investigation found that he had hanged himself with a cord used with the room's curtains. It cited police as saying he had been dead at least 12 hours and there was no sign that he had been assaulted. A police officer at Bangkok's Lumpini precinct station would not confirm the identity of the dead man to The Associated Press, but said the luxury Swissotel Nai Lert Park hotel had reported that a male guest killed himself there. Carradine was a leading member of a venerable Hollywood acting family that included his father, character actor John Carradine, and brother Keith. In all, he appeared in more than 100 feature films with such directors as Martin Scorsese, Ingmar Bergman and Hal Ashby. But he was best known for his role as Kwai Chang Caine, a Shaolin priest traveling the 1800s American frontier West in the TV series Kung Fu, which aired in 1972-75. He reprised the role in a mid-1980s TV movie and played Caine's grandson in the 1990s syndicated series Kung Fu: The Legend Continues. He returned to the top in recent years as the title character in Quentin Tarantino's two-part saga Kill Bill.
