[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:29 PM, ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal Why don't you start a thread of your stories and experiences? Please? I have heard from my contacts in FF that many on the IAA seem to be very depressed, but I can't pry too much for specifics. (snip) There are many people, right now, in every part of the country, that are experiencing depression, at this time... This is part of the process of letting go of the past, dysfunctional patterns, and fear of change. We are in a time of great change, on all levels of reality, as people move into higher states of consciousness, and raise the vibration, so as to cause others to 'unstress' like crazy... Best thing to do, is realize, 'your not the only one', going through this at this time. It is good when 'fear' comes up, to 'feel it', don't run away... As you feel the fear, it will dissipate and help to raise your vibration, thereby using the fear for growth. Feel where the fear is in the body...like when it is difficult to think the mantra, then just allow the attention to go to the area of the body, that is uneasy, and that will help release the stuck energy there, and come back to the mantra, when it is comfortable. Also, I believe there is a lot of polarization in the community there, and this increases the intensity of the illusion of seperateness... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: L.Shaddai wrote: I added to my TM/TM Sidhi program 20 minutes of TM style meditation on the Shiva mantra and I must say I am impressed with the results. So, you're no longer practicing TM. But, how exactly, did you learn to pronounce Sanskrit bija mantras by reading a post on a newsgroup? This is really the question: why would you take a guy's word that mumbling a nonsense syllable would do anything? I mean, it's one thing to have a yogi whisper the magic word in your left ear during an initation, and for you to repeat it three times to make sure you got it right, but reading it in a booklet, written by a baba who couldn't read or write a single word in Sanskrit, is a stretch when you think about it. I am still practicing TM. I still meditate on my 6th Advanced Technique. I knew how to pronounce the mantra already. Nonsense syllable? My TM mantra is supposed to be meanlingless but 'taint. Hey. Cut me some slack. I do my full TM/TM Sidhi program. Spend a few minutes in FF and you'll hear a thousand times that Maharishi didn't tell you the whole story, so I'll fill you in. I've not visited Radiance, TX in years. Much to far down south with long lines at red lights. Are they still sacrificing goats there? First of all, this comes from an oral tradition...and when you learn TM, the mantra is imparted, infused with the 'Shakti' that happens... It vibrates the system to receive the instruction, in a different way, then could be obtained from a book... And it is wise to stick with your mantra, until you are established enough, to change... But, when one is established in a higher state of consciousness, and when one is experiencing the name/form, as in the Siddhis... Then it is different... I am sure when Maharishi and Muktananda were together, there would be little problem with this issue, between them, as you see, they would have a deeper understanding of the essence of vibration... Everything in essence is just vibration, but you need to establish 'null vibration' in order to vibrate from the witness. I believe Maharishi established TM, as the most universal way, to impart the mantra, the technique for using the mantra...and sticking to the original mantra, will be of benefit. As changing mantras before you are established, Will just serve to dilute the process, of effortless transcending. So, since knowledge is different in different states of consciousness, this applies here... In a higher state of consciousness, the rules of this reality, change. R.G.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
Robert wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:29 PM, ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal Why don't you start a thread of your stories and experiences? Please? I have heard from my contacts in FF that many on the IAA seem to be very depressed, but I can't pry too much for specifics. (snip) There are many people, right now, in every part of the country, that are experiencing depression, at this time... This is part of the process of letting go of the past, dysfunctional patterns, and fear of change. We are in a time of great change, on all levels of reality, as people move into higher states of consciousness, and raise the vibration, so as to cause others to 'unstress' like crazy... Best thing to do, is realize, 'your not the only one', going through this at this time. It is good when 'fear' comes up, to 'feel it', don't run away... As you feel the fear, it will dissipate and help to raise your vibration, thereby using the fear for growth. Feel where the fear is in the body...like when it is difficult to think the mantra, then just allow the attention to go to the area of the body, that is uneasy, and that will help release the stuck energy there, and come back to the mantra, when it is comfortable. Also, I believe there is a lot of polarization in the community there, and this increases the intensity of the illusion of seperateness... R.G. And here I thought it was due to people losing a lot of money in their retirement accounts (or more precisely being robbed of their money). Or the fact that instead of retiring they'll have to work until they drop dead that is if they can find any work because no one hires old farts these days. People shouldn't be depressed, they should be angry. But maybe an asteroid will pop in and correct things. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: First of all, this comes from an oral tradition...and when you learn TM, the mantra is imparted, infused with the 'Shakti' that happens... It vibrates the system to receive the instruction, in a different way, then could be obtained from a book... And it is wise to stick with your mantra, until you are established enough, to change... But, when one is established in a higher state of consciousness, and when one is experiencing the name/form, as in the Siddhis... Then it is different... I am sure when Maharishi and Muktananda were together, there would be little problem with this issue, between them, as you see, they would have a deeper understanding of the essence of vibration... Everything in essence is just vibration, but you need to establish 'null vibration' in order to vibrate from the witness. I believe Maharishi established TM, as the most universal way, to impart the mantra, the technique for using the mantra...and sticking to the original mantra, will be of benefit. As changing mantras before you are established, Will just serve to dilute the process, of effortless transcending. So, since knowledge is different in different states of consciousness, this applies here... In a higher state of consciousness, the rules of this reality, change. R.G. Very well said, thanks for posting this !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: I'll think on starting a thread about my experiences and those of others on IA. I've already received some hostile reception here from someone who suggested very strongly that I go with going into silence on IA this time because of my postings. As in shut up. Get used to it if you choose to think for yourself. Just as a point of interest, L.Shaddai, pay attention to exactly *who* is ganging up on you and calling you names on this forum. It's like clockwork, and it's the same TBs every time. So far you have only been called a liar, a homophobe, illogical, and told to go back to the black hole from where you came. It'll get worse. Welcome to the benefits of practicing the TM technique regularly for 30 years. This is how evolved people who have done that have become. These are the poster children for TM.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: I'll think on starting a thread about my experiences and those of others on IA. I've already received some hostile reception here from someone who suggested very strongly that I go with going into silence on IA this time because of my postings. As in shut up. Get used to it if you choose to think for yourself. Just as a point of interest, L.Shaddai, pay attention to exactly *who* is ganging up on you and calling you names on this forum. It's like clockwork, and it's the same TBs every time. So far you have only been called a liar, a homophobe, illogical, and told to go back to the black hole from where you came. It'll get worse. Welcome to the benefits of practicing the TM technique regularly for 30 years. This is how evolved people who have done that have become. These are the poster children for TM. c'mon B- this is a troll post if i've ever seen one-- you carefully add enough trigger points just to point at, and piss off, the people you are referring to. calling them TBs and making broad negative generalizations about TM. quit fooling around and looking for a fight-- i like your thoughtful posts a lot better. this other stuff is just masterbation on your part.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
this other stuff is just masterbation on your part. As a founding member of the SLA (Self-Love-Association) I would like to object to the use of the term masturbation as a pejorative even if it is misspelled. Masturbation has gotten a bad rap throughout history and has been associated with going blind, leading many kids to have to ask: Can I just do it till I need glasses? It is only recently that two masturbators have been allowed to legally marry outside of prison, where the common courtesy of the reach-around is the sign of a considerate cellie. Also, rather than using the word masturbation on your part when talking to a man, we at the association prefer the more scientifically accurate term Trouser Truffle. Thanks for your attention on this matter of grave importance. As we at the association like to say: If God didn't want us to love ourselves so much, he wouldn't have made our arms so long. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: I'll think on starting a thread about my experiences and those of others on IA. I've already received some hostile reception here from someone who suggested very strongly that I go with going into silence on IA this time because of my postings. As in shut up. Get used to it if you choose to think for yourself. Just as a point of interest, L.Shaddai, pay attention to exactly *who* is ganging up on you and calling you names on this forum. It's like clockwork, and it's the same TBs every time. So far you have only been called a liar, a homophobe, illogical, and told to go back to the black hole from where you came. It'll get worse. Welcome to the benefits of practicing the TM technique regularly for 30 years. This is how evolved people who have done that have become. These are the poster children for TM. c'mon B- this is a troll post if i've ever seen one-- you carefully add enough trigger points just to point at, and piss off, the people you are referring to. calling them TBs and making broad negative generalizations about TM. quit fooling around and looking for a fight-- i like your thoughtful posts a lot better. this other stuff is just masterbation on your part.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
trouser truffle-- ha-ha! good one...well nothing against masturbation (thanks for the correction- thought it looked weird), just didn't want to see it in public this morning-- --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: this other stuff is just masterbation on your part. As a founding member of the SLA (Self-Love-Association) I would like to object to the use of the term masturbation as a pejorative even if it is misspelled. Masturbation has gotten a bad rap throughout history and has been associated with going blind, leading many kids to have to ask: Can I just do it till I need glasses? It is only recently that two masturbators have been allowed to legally marry outside of prison, where the common courtesy of the reach-around is the sign of a considerate cellie. Also, rather than using the word masturbation on your part when talking to a man, we at the association prefer the more scientifically accurate term Trouser Truffle. Thanks for your attention on this matter of grave importance. As we at the association like to say: If God didn't want us to love ourselves so much, he wouldn't have made our arms so long. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: I'll think on starting a thread about my experiences and those of others on IA. I've already received some hostile reception here from someone who suggested very strongly that I go with going into silence on IA this time because of my postings. As in shut up. Get used to it if you choose to think for yourself. Just as a point of interest, L.Shaddai, pay attention to exactly *who* is ganging up on you and calling you names on this forum. It's like clockwork, and it's the same TBs every time. So far you have only been called a liar, a homophobe, illogical, and told to go back to the black hole from where you came. It'll get worse. Welcome to the benefits of practicing the TM technique regularly for 30 years. This is how evolved people who have done that have become. These are the poster children for TM. c'mon B- this is a troll post if i've ever seen one-- you carefully add enough trigger points just to point at, and piss off, the people you are referring to. calling them TBs and making broad negative generalizations about TM. quit fooling around and looking for a fight-- i like your thoughtful posts a lot better. this other stuff is just masterbation on your part.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: I'll think on starting a thread about my experiences and those of others on IA. I've already received some hostile reception here from someone who suggested very strongly that I go with going into silence on IA this time because of my postings. As in shut up. Get used to it if you choose to think for yourself. Just as a point of interest, L.Shaddai, pay attention to exactly *who* is ganging up on you and calling you names on this forum. It's like clockwork, and it's the same TBs every time. So far you have only been called a liar, a homophobe, illogical, and told to go back to the black hole from where you came. It'll get worse. Sadly, the TB vigilantes seem to have succeeded. We never did get to hear L.'s posts of the travails of the Dome Sidhas (unless of course I missed it).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: I'll think on starting a thread about my experiences and those of others on IA. I've already received some hostile reception here from someone who suggested very strongly that I go with going into silence on IA this time because of my postings. As in shut up. Get used to it if you choose to think for yourself. Just as a point of interest, L.Shaddai, pay attention to exactly *who* is ganging up on you and calling you names on this forum. It's like clockwork, and it's the same TBs every time. So far you have only been called a liar, a homophobe, illogical, and told to go back to the black hole from where you came. Ah, this is interesting. I called L.Shaddai a homophobe because he declared his support for Proposition 8, and Barry believes that was because I'm a TM-TB (even though the conversation was entirely about Obama inviting Rev. Warren to give the inaugural invocation, with no mention of anything TM-ish). I don't recall the TMO party line stating its support for gay rights and same-sex marriage. Have I missed a major 180-degree turn by the TMO, or is Barry hallucinating again? Also, apparently perceiving illogic in a person's statements is now equivalent, in Barry's overheated mind, to calling them names (without reference, of course, to whether the perception was accurate). This is the case even if the perceived illogic was in support of a TM-TB concern (in this case, the potential for use of a non-TM mantra to inhibit coherence in the Dome). Finally, Barry's exceptionally conveniently selective memory seems to have erased all traces of my agreement with him that there is a kind of Garrison Keillor or Will Rogers compassion in the way [L.Shaddai says] things that I find wonderful. In fact, this was the post of Barry's one line of which is quoted above. Recently Barry made several posts in an attempt to help us all understand the phenomenon of cognitive dissonance. One way of making it go away, Barry explained, was by literally forgetting that it exists, by 'putting it out of their minds.' Hmmm. Well, in the body of Barry's posts, we're fortunate to have a virtual textbook of the various types of cognitive dysfunction.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
yes, only a TB would cast the outcome this way. better luck on your own True Believer position next time. c'mon, what are you waiting for? start digging up some dirt... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: I'll think on starting a thread about my experiences and those of others on IA. I've already received some hostile reception here from someone who suggested very strongly that I go with going into silence on IA this time because of my postings. As in shut up. Get used to it if you choose to think for yourself. Just as a point of interest, L.Shaddai, pay attention to exactly *who* is ganging up on you and calling you names on this forum. It's like clockwork, and it's the same TBs every time. So far you have only been called a liar, a homophobe, illogical, and told to go back to the black hole from where you came. It'll get worse. Sadly, the TB vigilantes seem to have succeeded. We never did get to hear L.'s posts of the travails of the Dome Sidhas (unless of course I missed it).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Welcome to the benefits of practicing the TM technique regularly for 30 years. This is how evolved people who have done that have become. These are the poster children for TM. c'mon B- this is a troll post if i've ever seen one-- you carefully add enough trigger points just to point at, and piss off, the people you are referring to. calling them TBs and making broad negative generalizations about TM. quit fooling around and looking for a fight-- i like your thoughtful posts a lot better. this other stuff is just masterbation on your part. He does enjoy it, but what he really gets off on is having his absurdities torn to shreds and his dysfunctional thinking exposed, sorta like Ginsberg did to Lofton in that interview I posted an excerpt from last night. It's a weird kind of masochism.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: I'll think on starting a thread about my experiences and those of others on IA. I've already received some hostile reception here from someone who suggested very strongly that I go with going into silence on IA this time because of my postings. As in shut up. Get used to it if you choose to think for yourself. Just as a point of interest, L.Shaddai, pay attention to exactly *who* is ganging up on you and calling you names on this forum. It's like clockwork, and it's the same TBs every time. So far you have only been called a liar, a homophobe, illogical, and told to go back to the black hole from where you came. Ah, this is interesting. -snip- really??? interesting? you're kidding me...B has said previously that he baits you just for fun, then casts out a worm on a hook today, and you find it interesting? how about just finding your response -codependent-, and we leave it at that?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip It's like clockwork, and it's the same TBs every time. So far you have only been called a liar, a homophobe, illogical, and told to go back to the black hole from where you came. Ah, this is interesting. -snip- really??? interesting? you're kidding me...B has said previously that he baits you just for fun, then casts out a worm on a hook today, and you find it interesting? how about just finding your response -codependent-, and we leave it at that? Well, that isn't very compassionate of you, ed11. He wouldn't have any sex life at all if he didn't get to beat off on being humiliated when those worms get dissected.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
On Dec 21, 2008, at 9:39 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: It's like clockwork, and it's the same TBs every time. So far you have only been called a liar, a homophobe, illogical, and told to go back to the black hole from where you came. That''s it? Clearly it's been a slow day here in the nuthouse. :) Must be the weather. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
That''s it? Clearly it's been a slow day here in the nuthouse. :) Must be the weather. The snow is cooling the enraged pitta, Sal. :) Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Sun, 12/21/08, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 1:13 PM On Dec 21, 2008, at 9:39 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: It's like clockwork, and it's the same TBs every time. So far you have only been called a liar, a homophobe, illogical, and told to go back to the black hole from where you came. That''s it? Clearly it's been a slow day here in the nuthouse. :) Must be the weather. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
I've driven this highway numerous times as recently as last summer when I visited my friend in Deadwood, South Dakota, (take 90W out of Albert Lea to Sioux Falls and then to Rapid City to Deadwood). L.Shaddai wrote: Dude, I'm talking about getting to Radiance, TX from Austin. What, you don't live in Deadwood anymore? Dude, there are no red lights on I-35 - it's a highway. Go south on I-35 and exist on William Cannon Drive. Go to Camp Ben McCollough Road and turn left. Go past the Friendswood church. Look for Golden West Estates. After you have visited the Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge at Radiance, home of the Superradiance Programe, you could visit Barsana Dham about a mile up doen road. Ask for Mr. Steve Perino - tell him 'willytex' sent ya. LOL! Read a full report: The following report is a preliminary social analysis of the so-called 'rasavada', a minor deviant Vaishnava sect, and is based on years of field studies in the holy land of Braj, India, including personal extended ritual participation and gleanings of insider information concerning the rasavada proclivities, and other unspecified baula-kama practices, and through observation in which various and sundry phrases were overheard at camp-meets. Rasavada: A Full Report http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/ras.htm Read more: Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Thread: The View From Up Here Subject: Onward through the Hays Author: Willytex Date: 10/16/2002 http://tinyurl.com/4ym9o3
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
I am the eternal wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: A friend who was a TM'er but got a technique from the Muktananda group gave me and empowered booklet from Muktananda that had the Shiva mantra in it and I slowly replaced TM with that. My income improved and I in general felt better). It was far better to practice a technique I could be sure of than one I had a doubt about. That was in the early 1980's. Thanks for this. I added to my TM/TM Sidhi program 20 minutes of TM style meditation on the Shiva mantra and I must say I am impressed with the results. Just be sure that Om rhymes with home and not Tom. The latter pronunciation is the name of a fruit. But westerners often get in to the habit of saying ahm as in Tom instead of ohm as in home.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I am the eternal wrote: Thanks for this. I added to my TM/TM Sidhi program 20 minutes of TM style meditation on the Shiva mantra and I must say I am impressed with the results. Just be sure that Om rhymes with home and not Tom. The latter pronunciation is the name of a fruit. But westerners often get in to the habit of saying ahm as in Tom instead of ohm as in home. Thanks for this. I am continuing to do some TM style meditation on this mantra twice a day in addition to my TM/TM sidhi program and I am finding it very valuable. Sort of getting a masculine perspective on the meditation. Now does anyone on FFL have a mantra I can chant to turn the troll Nabby into a frog? If I wanted the opinion of the Landover Baptist Church, http://www.landoverbaptist.org/ , I'd ask for it. Maharishi was a smart man who made up all this shit as he went along. Too many TBs get confused about just what a Maha Rishi can do, assuming Maharishi was one, and I doubt it. They can know one thing at a time, max. Not everything at a time. Maharishi came up with my current program, including going to IA, by trial and error.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--below: trial and error - right, like evolution itself; in a non- purposeful sense: otherwise, there would be some preordained purpose behind evolution (a theme rejected by 99% of biologists). But not so fast! Evolution could very well be guided by Cosmic Beings into a final outcome, but steps a,b,c...getting to that outcome might seem to be completely unpredictable and heuristic. In any event, evolution incorporates a high degree of trial and error; and I say this to be dismissive of those who constantly and continually appeal to Tradition (so and so said this 5,000 years ago). There's something called new in life. MMY's improvements are in that category. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: I am the eternal wrote: Thanks for this. I added to my TM/TM Sidhi program 20 minutes of TM style meditation on the Shiva mantra and I must say I am impressed with the results. Just be sure that Om rhymes with home and not Tom. The latter pronunciation is the name of a fruit. But westerners often get in to the habit of saying ahm as in Tom instead of ohm as in home. Thanks for this. I am continuing to do some TM style meditation on this mantra twice a day in addition to my TM/TM sidhi program and I am finding it very valuable. Sort of getting a masculine perspective on the meditation. Now does anyone on FFL have a mantra I can chant to turn the troll Nabby into a frog? If I wanted the opinion of the Landover Baptist Church, http://www.landoverbaptist.org/ , I'd ask for it. Maharishi was a smart man who made up all this shit as he went along. Too many TBs get confused about just what a Maha Rishi can do, assuming Maharishi was one, and I doubt it. They can know one thing at a time, max. Not everything at a time. Maharishi came up with my current program, including going to IA, by trial and error.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Just be sure that Om rhymes with home and not Tom. The latter pronunciation is the name of a fruit. But westerners often get in to the habit of saying ahm as in Tom instead of ohm as in home. One thing I know is how to pronounce Om. I took a two week Vedic Studies course at Cobb mountain taught by Maharishi. Maharishi spent two weeks hardly getting away from Om. At times it got tedious but all of creation is in Om so I can see why he spent so much time on it. Maharishi prnounced Om like it to rhyme with own or home.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: A friend who was a TM'er but got a technique from the Muktananda group gave me and empowered booklet from Muktananda that had the Shiva mantra in it and I slowly replaced TM with that. My income improved and I in general felt better). It was far better to practice a technique I could be sure of than one I had a doubt about. That was in the early 1980's. Thanks for this. I added to my TM/TM Sidhi program 20 minutes of TM style meditation on the Shiva mantra and I must say I am impressed with the results.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
...got a technique from the Muktananda group gave me and empowered booklet from Muktananda that had the Shiva mantra in it... L.Shaddai wrote: I added to my TM/TM Sidhi program 20 minutes of TM style meditation on the Shiva mantra and I must say I am impressed with the results. So, you're no longer practicing TM. But, how exactly, did you learn to pronounce Sanskrit bija mantras by reading a post on a newsgroup? This is really the question: why would you take a guy's word that mumbling a nonsense syllable would do anything? I mean, it's one thing to have a yogi whisper the magic word in your left ear during an initation, and for you to repeat it three times to make sure you got it right, but reading it in a booklet, written by a baba who couldn't read or write a single word in Sanskrit, is a stretch when you think about it.
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On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Richard J. Williams willy...@yahoo.com wrote: L.Shaddai wrote: I added to my TM/TM Sidhi program 20 minutes of TM style meditation on the Shiva mantra and I must say I am impressed with the results. So, you're no longer practicing TM. But, how exactly, did you learn to pronounce Sanskrit bija mantras by reading a post on a newsgroup? This is really the question: why would you take a guy's word that mumbling a nonsense syllable would do anything? I mean, it's one thing to have a yogi whisper the magic word in your left ear during an initation, and for you to repeat it three times to make sure you got it right, but reading it in a booklet, written by a baba who couldn't read or write a single word in Sanskrit, is a stretch when you think about it. I am still practicing TM. I still meditate on my 6th Advanced Technique. I knew how to pronounce the mantra already. Nonsense syllable? My TM mantra is supposed to be meanlingless but 'taint. Hey. Cut me some slack. I do my full TM/TM Sidhi program. Spend a few minutes in FF and you'll hear a thousand times that Maharishi didn't tell you the whole story, so I'll fill you in. I've not visited Radiance, TX in years. Much to far down south with long lines at red lights. Are they still sacrificing goats there?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: I still do the TM-Siddhis, sans hopping, at points in the course of the week, but my program these days consists of eating intelligently, exercising and avoiding caffeine. When I do those things and get to bed on time I can sleep eight or nine hours a night, enjoying sweet dreams and productive days. Very nice post, thank you.
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Could you share with us this Shiva mantra? Bhairitu wrote: It is the very common mantra Om Nama Shivaya. Translated this mantra means: 'I bow down to Mahesh'. Not only did Muktananda send out the booklets... From what I've read, Muktananda got this mantra by reading a paperback tantra booklet when he was sitting in his yurt one day. Later he told Bhagavan Nityananda about it and the Nitya said: It's a waste of time repeating these nonsense syllables; go back to your yurt and meditate some more. That was the last time that the Mukta was with the Nitya. Go figure. ...but made a cassette tape of the mantra and how to use it. Maybe so, but Mukta probably didn't know how to operate a tape recorder, so he probably got some brain washed schmucks to record him spouting nonsense syllables into a microphone. Fer sure the Mukta didn't get a single bija mantra from the Nitya. As a guru, Nityananda gave relatively little by way of verbal teachings. Starting in the early 1920s, devotees would sit with him in the evenings. Most of the time he was silent but occasionally he would give teachings. Read more: Bhagawan Nityananda: http://tinyurl.com/6duzcg
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-- I'm listening to Muktananda chant the Guru Gita as I'm typing this. Your Om Namah Shivaya mantra can be infused with more Shakti if you tune in to some of the SYDA audios, such as the CD of the Guru Gita. However, just as some distinct colors can be blended together to form a completely new color; Muktananda's version of Kashmir Saivism can be blended with Ramana Maharshi's Arunachala Shiva vibes. These two versions of Shiva/Shakti are quite distinct, as anybody can discern with a few weeks of first listening to the Muktananda chants, then listening to the Ramanasramam Pundits chant the Rudram (The Rudram is part of the Veda Parayana - evening CD available from Arunachala.org. The distinct flavors of these two versions of Shiva turns out to be complementary and multiplies the effects of each - the whole being far more powerful than the sum of its parts. For TM - TB like myself, a 3rd version of Shiva may be obtained from (you guessed it): TM and any transmissions of chants, pujas, and the like via vida different media. However, the vibes in this tradition are actually more Divine Mother than Shiva...and thus, one will fine terms such as Divine Mother programs but not much talk of SHIVA except in isolated instances. I saw a video with Hagelin and in which he equated BRAIN with SHIVA but that was only lip service. Muktananda otoh was an active devotee of Shiva and devotion to Him is an integral part of the SYDA programs. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: A friend who was a TM'er but got a technique from the Muktananda group gave me and empowered booklet from Muktananda that had the Shiva mantra in it and I slowly replaced TM with that. My income improved and I in general felt better). It was far better to practice a technique I could be sure of than one I had a doubt about. That was in the early 1980's. Thanks for this. I added to my TM/TM Sidhi program 20 minutes of TM style meditation on the Shiva mantra and I must say I am impressed with the results.
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L.Shaddai wrote: Much to far down south with long lines at red lights. There are no 'red lights' on I-35 from Des Moines, Iowa, to Austin, Texas - it's a freeway with six lanes in most places - straight shot. I've driven this highway numerous times as recently as last summer when I visited my friend in Deadwood, South Dakota, (take 90W out of Albert Lea to Sioux Falls and then to Rapid City to Deadwood). http://tinyurl.com/5s7ajm Are they still sacrificing goats there? Not at Radiance, but sometimes we eat cattle, roasted over a pit, down by the river, just like they did in Bharatvarsh during Vedic times. It's a lot of fun to have sacrifices and eat some good Bar-B-Que, especially at a free concert in the park. http://www.radiancetx.org/ But they are mostly vegetarians next door at the Barsana Dham, one of the largest Hindu temples outside India. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barsana_Dham In fact, there is no indication that Aryan Vedic sacrificial rites had anything to do with or in any way resembled the Dravidian worship of a murti or image with water, lights, flowers, in temples or in shrines. The Vedic blood sacrifice took place outdoors and was conducted by Brahmin priests, and did not involve images of any kind, only a fire altar and a burnt offering. The Vedic rite has been compared to a cowboy 'bar-b-que' down by the river. Read more: Author: Willytex Subject: The TM Sacrifice Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.meditation, alt.yoga Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2004 http://tinyurl.com/3qjhdh
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Jim wrote: The story of the Turq is a story of a personal tragedy... Are you trashing the Turq, Jim? Uncle Tantra (UT) is suffering from acute Narcissism. Because he dropped-out of both TM and Rama's program he needs to rewrite history and trash religious groups that he once belonged to. Yet at the same time he needs to show-off to current followers and write spiritual essays of the same teachers he trashes in private. By engaging in this neurotic contradiction any personal failures are covered-up by UT's dual positions. Uncle Tantra's ego can instead present to others the image he clings to: a great writer, an advanced spiritual seeker that has gone into Samadhi, and the hip 60's Jungian wise-old man persona that he so pathetically attempts to cultivate in his ramblings and even through his name Uncle Tantra. Read more: From: Garuda Subject: Trashing Rama - An analysis Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Wed, May 7 2003 3:39 pm http://tinyurl.com/2edw8k A mantra is a thought. Use a mantra to help you still your mind initially and then move into silent meditation. Quotations by Zen Master Rama: http://tinyurl.com/5o8zxj
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L Could you share with us this Shiva mantra? Yes eternal; please start mixing mantras. And one more thing; please get your confused nervous-system out of Fairfield now, the sooner the better ! You are a drag to those few americans there who are dedicated to doing a very important job for your nation.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L Could you share with us this Shiva mantra? Yes eternal; please start mixing mantras. And one more thing; please get your confused nervous-system out of Fairfield now, the sooner the better ! You are a drag to those few americans there who are dedicated to doing a very important job for your nation. Religious fanatics are a scourge to humanity. Certainty and righteousness fuel their fervor, yet little do they realize the weakness they reveal of themselves and their beliefs when they seek to eliminate the impurity in their midst. (prayers of my own) God, please stop overdosing your worshippers with experiences that embolden them to lay waste to innocent souls. Thank you, God, for America, and its deep conviction to prevent the establishment of a state religion.
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On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Richard J. Williams willy...@yahoo.com wrote: L.Shaddai wrote: Much to far down south with long lines at red lights. There are no 'red lights' on I-35 from Des Moines, Iowa, to Austin, Texas - it's a freeway with six lanes in most places - straight shot. I've driven this highway numerous times as recently as last summer when I visited my friend in Deadwood, South Dakota, (take 90W out of Albert Lea to Sioux Falls and then to Rapid City to Deadwood). Dude, I'm talking about getting to Radiance, TX from Austin. North Austin specifically. It was a bitch of a drive 15 years ago.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The guy I heard it from was there too. Anyways, with all her money she can't afford plumbers? .Jeez... I hate it when bosses jump in the shit for a few minutes to show you how great they are at it, Then expect someone else to do it without complaining all the rest of the time. Its like the boss from 'The Office'...Its bullshit. I never saw Maharishi jump in the shit to prove an existential point, with dictatorial/communistic polar opposites as overtones in social structure. Your post makes me feel really fortunate to have been a follower of Maharishi. Ruth, here's one answer to your question about why people keep meditating, at least TM-style: they *get off* on being considered peons. Off obviously *likes* the idea of having a boss who tells his lessers to do things. God forbid the boss should ever do any of them himself. It's a kind of inverse elitism: Yes, we may be peons, but we're the 'best' peons because we do the grunt work for the 'best' boss. Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? The social reinforcement and conditioning. Early on I got into helping at the center and attending residence courses and the like, and you pretty much had to be regular in your prac- tice to do that or you got bad-vibed by the teachers. And, to be honest, in the beginning I really did perceive benefits from the practice. True, they coincidentally happened to be the very benefits I had been told to expect, so they could well have been imagined on my part, but I did perceive them to be happening. Later, as a TM teacher, the social conditioning and reinforcement were even stronger -- you couldn't very well tell people to meditate 2X daily if you weren't doing it yourself. But at a certain point I realized that the supposed benefits for which I had theoretically started TM in the first place had plateaued or leveled out, and that nothing was happening on the level of higher states of consciousness either. Like someone who realizes that they're in a bad marriage years before they do anything about leaving it, I hung in there some time longer. But then even the so-called social benefits began to drag on me, as I realized that the people I was staying a TMer and a TM teacher to be around were NOT people I liked being around. They were increasingly isolated, they developed an increas- ingly us vs. them mentality, and they weren't even nice to *each other*. It was the last one that finally pushed me over the edge and out of the TM movement -- seeing TM teachers blackballing other teachers and kicking them out of centers or keeping them from attending courses for the sin of reading books by other teachers or living with their significant others out of wedlock. I split. Even then I kept meditating, mainly out of habit. But it wasn't until I ran into another teacher and was taught several other forms of meditation that I actually began *enjoying* meditation again. Meditation was FUN again. Things like samadhi actually happened while practicing it; things like rapidly-shifting states of consciousness happened after practicing it. But I'd have to say that the main thing that kept me meditating during my TM days was the social conditioning and the PR. And a little of the negative propaganda. Like many, I had actually come to believe that Bad Things would happen to me if I quit TM, or tried some other meditation. Interestingly, only Good Things happened when I finally did.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? And, to be honest, in the beginning I really did perceive benefits from the practice. True, they coincidentally happened to be the very benefits I had been told to expect, so they could well have been imagined on my part, but I did perceive them to be happening. Can you tell me what those benefits were? Thanks for responding.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: And, to be honest, in the beginning I really did perceive benefits from the practice. True, they coincidentally happened to be the very benefits I had been told to expect, so they could well have been imagined on my part, but I did perceive them to be happening. Can you tell me what those benefits were? Thanks for responding. The most valuable I retain to this day, calm. I haven't been startled in decades. The same car backfiring that causes hearts around me to race doesn't cause any reaction in me at all except to check out what the loud noise was. I have always been a somewhat laid-back person, not given to overreaction, but I definitely noticed that trait (which I consider a good thing) increased as a result of TM practice. Meditation was always easy for me, and so I actually enjoyed the sessions while they were going on. They were relaxing, and occasionally (that is to say rarely) they were profound. I believed at the time that my energy levels increased, but looking back that could easily have been suggestibility on my part. I also noticed that cravings for things that were not necessarily good for me decreased. Spontaneously, as the TM sales pitch said they would. I could easily have continued dabbling in drugs because they were all around me, but I didn't. And to tell the truth, one of the major benefits for me was probably having a formal spiritual path that I could (at the time) respect and really get into. Christianity hadn't done it for me, and my dabbles into drugs had convinced me that that was a dead end, and my experiments with Zen hadn't really attracted me. But the TM thing was a kind of spiritual groove I could get into. I went on that first Squaw Valley month-long course in 1968, and I really DUG it. (Courses were fun back then.) They were so much fun that I started thinking about becoming a TM teacher, because the way I figured, if being just a rank-and-file TMer was this much fun, then being a TM teacher would be even more fun. Boy, was I young. :-) But young or not, TM really *did* hold my inter- est for many years. Four years of regular 2X daily meditation before I became a TM teacher, same after- wards until I split. In retrospect, I would have to say that the thing that probably had the most effect on my regular practice was the residence courses. I really *liked* the long meditations, and that allowed me to enjoy the shorter ones at home. That, and the fact that on those courses I was bombarded with enough dogma to choke an elephant. :-)
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ruthsimplicity wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? What about folks who didn't keep up TM day after day but are still meditating but with other techniques? I sort of gave up on TM several years after TTC and Sidhis because I was unsure of my advanced technique and received no help from the movement on the matter other than write Maharishi for a mantra check which I did twice with no results. I was interested in ayurveda before Maharishi Ayuverda came into existence, paid $185 for what was essentially an intro lecture on ayurveda that I could have given myself at that point. That was in 1985 and when I walked away from the TMO. Doubt about the TM method itself came later though even by then I had read an article or two, especially one from a son of an Indian guru that presented an argument that mantras like TM without Omkara were not a good practice. There was also a book by a chiropractor who presented strong arguments that meditation itself was only good for certain kinds of people and other might benefit more from exercise instead. Fuller knowledge of this subject came from attending jyotish and ayurvedic workshops and seminars and just hanging out with folks from other traditions. I also was a patient of an MD who practiced ayurveda and also TM who, being a psychiatrist, was critical of the way TM handled roughness and even had some techniques he taught patients with such problems to reduce the problem. I was also interested in why the techniques themselves caused roughness with some practitioners. Much later I made the acquaintance of an Indian tantric who has taught much about mantra shastra as well as very advanced and powerful techniques. These techniques make TM rather lightweight in comparison. So I still meditate but with other techniques and siddhis.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? Simple; his ego convinced him he could become a big shot in the Movement. He seriously thought the Movement would eventually see his greatness, give him positions. Being thrown out head and heals from the TMO due to lack of personal qualities, which several contributors here from time to time has confirmed, his ego simply cracked. As he confirmes here on FFL every day: 7 days of the week with 50 (!) long posts every week mainly trying to deflaim the TMO. This is what the Turq is mainly doing in life today. The story of the Turq is a story of a personal tragedy.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Ruth, here's another factor that kicked in at the 5-year mark for me, on TTC. While on that course I and a few people I knew started having some realization experiences. They mapped one-to-one to Maharishi's descriptions of CC, so I assumed that's what they were. And, because that had been the dogma I'd heard for so long, I assumed that these experiences would be permanent. They weren't. Bummer. Now I had tasted (as far as I could tell) enlightenment, and the chef had moved to another restaurant that I obviously did not know the name of. So part of the reason I was so regular in my meds and went to more courses after that was to see whether these experiences -- which WERE cool -- would repeat themselves. They never did, interestingly enough, until I left the TM movement and stopped doing TM, and started doing another form of meditation. But that's definitely something you might want to factor in as you ask these questions of other TMers. How many of them stuck around and were regular in their practice because they were trying to recapture some flashy experiences from the early days of their practice?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? Nabby dear, I didn't meant chime in about Turq. I would like it if people would share their own reasons why they kept or keep meditating. How about you? When you started meditating, what kept you going? What was positive?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? What about folks who didn't keep up TM day after day but are still meditating but with other techniques? I sort of gave up on TM several years after TTC and Sidhis because I was unsure of my advanced technique and received no help from the movement on the matter other than write Maharishi for a mantra check which I did twice with no results. I was interested in ayurveda before Maharishi Ayuverda came into existence, paid $185 for what was essentially an intro lecture on ayurveda that I could have given myself at that point. That was in 1985 and when I walked away from the TMO. Doubt about the TM method itself came later though even by then I had read an article or two, especially one from a son of an Indian guru that presented an argument that mantras like TM without Omkara were not a good practice. There was also a book by a chiropractor who presented strong arguments that meditation itself was only good for certain kinds of people and other might benefit more from exercise instead. Fuller knowledge of this subject came from attending jyotish and ayurvedic workshops and seminars and just hanging out with folks from other traditions. I also was a patient of an MD who practiced ayurveda and also TM who, being a psychiatrist, was critical of the way TM handled roughness and even had some techniques he taught patients with such problems to reduce the problem. I was also interested in why the techniques themselves caused roughness with some practitioners. Much later I made the acquaintance of an Indian tantric who has taught much about mantra shastra as well as very advanced and powerful techniques. These techniques make TM rather lightweight in comparison. So I still meditate but with other techniques and siddhis. Thank you. How about early on? What kept you going long enough to go get the advanced techniques and the siddhis?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: And, to be honest, in the beginning I really did perceive benefits from the practice. True, they coincidentally happened to be the very benefits I had been told to expect, so they could well have been imagined on my part, but I did perceive them to be happening. Can you tell me what those benefits were? Thanks for responding. The most valuable I retain to this day, calm. I haven't been startled in decades. The same car backfiring that causes hearts around me to race doesn't cause any reaction in me at all except to check out what the loud noise was. I have always been a somewhat laid-back person, not given to overreaction, but I definitely noticed that trait (which I consider a good thing) increased as a result of TM practice. Meditation was always easy for me, and so I actually enjoyed the sessions while they were going on. They were relaxing, and occasionally (that is to say rarely) they were profound. I believed at the time that my energy levels increased, but looking back that could easily have been suggestibility on my part. I also noticed that cravings for things that were not necessarily good for me decreased. Spontaneously, as the TM sales pitch said they would. I could easily have continued dabbling in drugs because they were all around me, but I didn't. And to tell the truth, one of the major benefits for me was probably having a formal spiritual path that I could (at the time) respect and really get into. Christianity hadn't done it for me, and my dabbles into drugs had convinced me that that was a dead end, and my experiments with Zen hadn't really attracted me. But the TM thing was a kind of spiritual groove I could get into. I went on that first Squaw Valley month-long course in 1968, and I really DUG it. (Courses were fun back then.) They were so much fun that I started thinking about becoming a TM teacher, because the way I figured, if being just a rank-and-file TMer was this much fun, then being a TM teacher would be even more fun. Boy, was I young. :-) But young or not, TM really *did* hold my inter- est for many years. Four years of regular 2X daily meditation before I became a TM teacher, same after- wards until I split. In retrospect, I would have to say that the thing that probably had the most effect on my regular practice was the residence courses. I really *liked* the long meditations, and that allowed me to enjoy the shorter ones at home. That, and the fact that on those courses I was bombarded with enough dogma to choke an elephant. :-) Interesting. In contrast, I found residence courses unbearable. It seems like a number of people here have had good things to say about the courses. (Food issues aside. :))
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ruthsimplicity wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Much later I made the acquaintance of an Indian tantric who has taught much about mantra shastra as well as very advanced and powerful techniques. These techniques make TM rather lightweight in comparison. So I still meditate but with other techniques and siddhis. TM and the TM-Siddhi program are supposed to (1) establish a person in Being, and (2) cultivate the ability to maintain that awareness in activity. Bhairitu, Barry and anyone else who's thinking of leaping into this thread, do your post-TM techniques aspire toward the same ends? Thanks.
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ruthsimplicity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? What about folks who didn't keep up TM day after day but are still meditating but with other techniques? I sort of gave up on TM several years after TTC and Sidhis because I was unsure of my advanced technique and received no help from the movement on the matter other than write Maharishi for a mantra check which I did twice with no results. I was interested in ayurveda before Maharishi Ayuverda came into existence, paid $185 for what was essentially an intro lecture on ayurveda that I could have given myself at that point. That was in 1985 and when I walked away from the TMO. Doubt about the TM method itself came later though even by then I had read an article or two, especially one from a son of an Indian guru that presented an argument that mantras like TM without Omkara were not a good practice. There was also a book by a chiropractor who presented strong arguments that meditation itself was only good for certain kinds of people and other might benefit more from exercise instead. Fuller knowledge of this subject came from attending jyotish and ayurvedic workshops and seminars and just hanging out with folks from other traditions. I also was a patient of an MD who practiced ayurveda and also TM who, being a psychiatrist, was critical of the way TM handled roughness and even had some techniques he taught patients with such problems to reduce the problem. I was also interested in why the techniques themselves caused roughness with some practitioners. Much later I made the acquaintance of an Indian tantric who has taught much about mantra shastra as well as very advanced and powerful techniques. These techniques make TM rather lightweight in comparison. So I still meditate but with other techniques and siddhis. Thank you. How about early on? What kept you going long enough to go get the advanced techniques and the siddhis? I got the advanced technique on TTC in 1976 and that was less than 3 years after starting TM. The Sidhis were two years later in 1978 (on a Citizen's Course). Unlike some folks here I didn't run into any problems with the local or national organization. Nobody bugged me about my music profession. In fact I offered to teach daytime courses at the main center for those who couldn't do evening classes. I also ran one center for some of the teachers in that area who had day jobs. But this was Seattle which overall had a bunch of TM teachers who were probably a bit more grounded and less prone to making things like a cult. We had a few folks who were TB'ers but they were regarded as jokes. A friend who was a TM'er but got a technique from the Muktananda group gave me and empowered booklet from Muktananda that had the Shiva mantra in it and I slowly replaced TM with that. My income improved and I in general felt better). It was far better to practice a technique I could be sure of than one I had a doubt about. That was in the early 1980's.
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---http://www.askganesha.com/mantra/mritunjaya_mantra.asp In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Much later I made the acquaintance of an Indian tantric who has taught much about mantra shastra as well as very advanced and powerful techniques. These techniques make TM rather lightweight in comparison. So I still meditate but with other techniques and siddhis. TM and the TM-Siddhi program are supposed to (1) establish a person in Being, and (2) cultivate the ability to maintain that awareness in activity. Bhairitu, Barry and anyone else who's thinking of leaping into this thread, do your post-TM techniques aspire toward the same ends? Thanks.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? I meditated regularly because I got the usual benefits - rejuvenation, clarity, happiness. The Transcendental Meditation technique, despite claims that it is not a sleep substitute, is a terrific sleep substitute, so I meditated because I cheated on sleep, and needed the deep rest. In addition to these daily benefits, I aspired to self-actualization, which I believed TM would cultivate. I became less regular in my practice when these conclusions piled up: - My personal enlightenment - cosmic consciousness - is in thrall to collective consciousness, hence there's not much point in throwing too much individual time and energy against that goal. - Full enlightenment - unity - comes by grace and not by my actions. - When I sit with my eyes closed I prefer to let my awareness go to awareness itself (which I understand to be the whole point of meditation), and a mantra is just another thought that interferes with that practice. - I can replicate the practical benefits of meditation by being present in the moment. - I was frustrated at not being enlightened after 32 years of TM. I still do the TM-Siddhis, sans hopping, at points in the course of the week, but my program these days consists of eating intelligently, exercising and avoiding caffeine. When I do those things and get to bed on time I can sleep eight or nine hours a night, enjoying sweet dreams and productive days.
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Patrick Gillam wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Much later I made the acquaintance of an Indian tantric who has taught much about mantra shastra as well as very advanced and powerful techniques. These techniques make TM rather lightweight in comparison. So I still meditate but with other techniques and siddhis. TM and the TM-Siddhi program are supposed to (1) establish a person in Being, and (2) cultivate the ability to maintain that awareness in activity. Bhairitu, Barry and anyone else who's thinking of leaping into this thread, do your post-TM techniques aspire toward the same ends? Thanks. Yes, in fact even the technique for the public my tantric guru first gave me a month or more before he gave me the guru mantra cultivated the experience of unity. Some others who were TM teachers (including one Purusha member) also had similar experiences. The tantric meditation with the guru mantra even more so and the same with the tantric siddhis. With the TM techniques I mainly got the experiences of duality not 'unity.
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On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: A friend who was a TM'er but got a technique from the Muktananda group gave me and empowered booklet from Muktananda that had the Shiva mantra in it and I slowly replaced TM with that. My income improved and I in general felt better). It was far better to practice a technique I could be sure of than one I had a doubt about. That was in the early 1980's. Could you share with us this Shiva mantra?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Much later I made the acquaintance of an Indian tantric who has taught much about mantra shastra as well as very advanced and powerful techniques. These techniques make TM rather lightweight in comparison. So I still meditate but with other techniques and siddhis. TM and the TM-Siddhi program are supposed to (1) establish a person in Being, and (2) cultivate the ability to maintain that awareness in activity. Bhairitu, Barry and anyone else who's thinking of leaping into this thread, do your post-TM techniques aspire toward the same ends? Very much so. The difference is that the later techniques deliver.
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I am the eternal wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: ruthsimplicity wrote: A friend who was a TM'er but got a technique from the Muktananda group gave me and empowered booklet from Muktananda that had the Shiva mantra in it and I slowly replaced TM with that. My income improved and I in general felt better). It was far better to practice a technique I could be sure of than one I had a doubt about. That was in the early 1980's. Could you share with us this Shiva mantra? It is the very common mantra Om Nama Shivaya. Not only did Muktananda send out the booklets but made a cassette tape of the mantra and how to use it.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: Well Turq, right now I am interested in what they report. So what was it about TM that kept you meditating day after day? Anyone else want to chime in? Simple; his ego convinced him he could become a big shot in the Movement. He seriously thought the Movement would eventually see his greatness, give him positions. Being thrown out head and heals from the TMO due to lack of personal qualities, which several contributors here from time to time has confirmed, his ego simply cracked. As he confirmes here on FFL every day: 7 days of the week with 50 (!) long posts every week mainly trying to deflaim the TMO. This is what the Turq is mainly doing in life today. The story of the Turq is a story of a personal tragedy. ¨ Raunch - that should answer your question.
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On Dec 15, 2008, at 12:01 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Think yourself lucky PornoSal. Ravi Shankar may have tried to make you eat fruit, while you dined out in restaurants in Geneva, but I heard from a follower of hers, that on Ammaji's Ashram they were made to jump in and shovel shit out of the Ashram cesspool. When they showed slight dislike for it, Ammaji jumped in the shitpool and started shoveling the shit herself, and shouting to them how blissful it was to shovel shit --- for a whole 2 minutes while they were expected to shovel that human feces for hours on end. The follower told me this as if it showed how great she was to jump in the shit (for 2 minutes), and how grateful he was to be able to shovel shit for her for 2 hours. Lol ! True story. I'm really glad to have been a follower of Maharishi. Yeah, you get to metaphorically shovel shit.
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On Dec 14, 2008, at 11:54 PM, Peter wrote: On Dec 14, 2008, at 6:42 PM, I am the eternal wrote: On one AOE course I took, SSRS made everyone eat fruit the whole time, while he got delicious Indian meals. It might not have been so bad if several of us hadn't been in the house right next to his. You've got to be kidding me. You go to a course with SSRS and he has you eating fruit and you resent him because he's not doing the same? Yep. Thank goodness for cars. You don't seem to get it. Your screen name needs to be changed. I definitely don't get it, it was dishonest and seemed more like a way to save $$ than anything else. What if someone had had a medical condition and their system couldn't handle that much fruit? It was dishonest because he didn't tell us before we signed up. It just seemed like typical TMO Gotcha! nonsense. And my screen name, in case you were wondering, is meant ironically. Sal
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On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:57 AM, Vaj wrote: Think yourself lucky PornoSal. Ravi Shankar may have tried to make you eat fruit, while you dined out in restaurants in Geneva, but I heard from a follower of hers, that on Ammaji's Ashram they were made to jump in and shovel shit out of the Ashram cesspool. When they showed slight dislike for it, Ammaji jumped in the shitpool and started shoveling the shit herself, and shouting to them how blissful it was to shovel shit --- for a whole 2 minutes while they were expected to shovel that human feces for hours on end. The follower told me this as if it showed how great she was to jump in the shit (for 2 minutes), and how grateful he was to be able to shovel shit for her for 2 hours. Lol ! True story. I'm really glad to have been a follower of Maharishi. Yeah, you get to metaphorically shovel shit. Just what I was thinking...and for a heck of a lot longer than a couple of hours. Sal
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--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 9:34 AM On Dec 14, 2008, at 11:54 PM, Peter wrote: On Dec 14, 2008, at 6:42 PM, I am the eternal wrote: On one AOE course I took, SSRS made everyone eat fruit the whole time, while he got delicious Indian meals. It might not have been so bad if several of us hadn't been in the house right next to his. You've got to be kidding me. You go to a course with SSRS and he has you eating fruit and you resent him because he's not doing the same? Yep. Thank goodness for cars. You don't seem to get it. Your screen name needs to be changed. I definitely don't get it, it was dishonest and seemed more like a way to save $$ than anything else. What if someone had had a medical condition and their system couldn't handle that much fruit? It was dishonest because he didn't tell us before we signed up. It just seemed like typical TMO Gotcha! nonsense. And my screen name, in case you were wondering, is meant ironically. Sal Sal, you are also, I am the eternal? So, you got in your car and left because you felt, what, tricked or something? This was an Art of Living course, right? You say AOE but I'm assumming that's a typo, correct? To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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On Dec 15, 2008, at 8:39 AM, Peter wrote: On Dec 14, 2008, at 6:42 PM, I am the eternal wrote: On one AOE course I took, SSRS made everyone eat fruit the whole time, while he got delicious Indian meals. It might not have been so bad if several of us hadn't been in the house right next to his. You've got to be kidding me. You go to a course with SSRS and he has you eating fruit and you resent him because he's not doing the same? Yep. Thank goodness for cars. You don't seem to get it. Your screen name needs to be changed. I definitely don't get it, it was dishonest and seemed more like a way to save $$ than anything else. What if someone had had a medical condition and their system couldn't handle that much fruit? It was dishonest because he didn't tell us before we signed up. It just seemed like typical TMO Gotcha! nonsense. And my screen name, in case you were wondering, is meant ironically. Sal Sal, you are also, I am the eternal? So, you got in your car and left because you felt, what, tricked or something? This was an Art of Living course, right? You say AOE but I'm assumming that's a typo, correct? No, Peter, I'm not I am the eternal--I was responding to him. I didn't leave, we simply made trips into town to get some real food. And yes, it was an Art of Living course. Apart from that, it was a good course and I enjoyed it. But as I've written here before, on the third course I took, the course leaders pulled fast ones too, and I dropped out after that. Sal
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On Dec 15, 2008, at 8:39 AM, Peter wrote: Sal, you are also, I am the eternal? So, you got in your car and left because you felt, what, tricked or something? This was an Art of Living course, right? You say AOE but I'm assumming that's a typo, correct? Oh, yeah, and in answer to your question, you bet we felt tricked. Even the course leaders, when they made the announcement, admitted it sounded like an unpleasant prospect. Nothing like getting everyone to sign up and then telling them they're basically going to be on a starvation diet that few were prepared for, either physically or psychologically. What would you call that, Peter--honesty? Character building? Necessary purification on the road to E? What bullshit. And if the TMO had pulled that on you, I have no doubt that would be your reaction, and it would IMO be the correct one. Sal
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On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:29 PM, ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal Why don't you start a thread of your stories and experiences? Please? I have heard from my contacts in FF that many on the IAA seem to be very depressed, but I can't pry too much for specifics. I'll think on starting a thread about my experiences and those of others on IA. I've already received some hostile reception here from someone who suggested very strongly that I go with going into silence on IA this time because of my postings. As in shut up. I guess my recounting of the Israeli antics weren't entirely understood. This guy was blasting away the very excited emails for hours a day while in silence. You develop a great deal of pent up emotional energy on IA and the energy blowing off of people is something you can feel as you pass them in the lobby of the dome. Depression? An amazing amount. But think about it. This is self selection here. Until the international stipends were cancelled you had pretty much huddled masses from all over the US, (mostly the Eurozone) and Canada. People who find the motivation to give up their lives to come to FF and live in a trailer for months at a time trying to make a meager stipend last through the month are a special sort. There are some having a ball free spirits I admire for their innocence and stability then there are the many who appear to have not been dealt a full hand in life, the hangers on. I don't know if the clearing I heard about last year has been implemented. I doubt it. There was rumor amongst Dome spies (at least ones suspected to be such) that those people who hadn't hopped in years were going to have their stipends cancelled. I feel for these guys. Mind you I only know about one dome. Word spreads around the dome in waves that travels almost faster than the speed of sound.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:29 PM, ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal Why don't you start a thread of your stories and experiences? Please? I have heard from my contacts in FF that many on the IAA seem to be very depressed, but I can't pry too much for specifics. I'll think on starting a thread about my experiences and those of others on IA. I've already received some hostile reception here from someone who suggested very strongly that I go with going into silence on IA this time because of my postings. As in shut up. Get used to it if you choose to think for yourself. I would add my voice to Ruth's in urging you to continue to post your impressions, because as I've said before I think you do it very well. There is a kind of Garrison Keillor or Will Rogers compassion in the way you say things that I find wonderful. You may say some things that some here don't want said, but I have never perceived any meanness or evil intent in anything you have said. The very fact that you continue to GO on the IA courses speaks volumes. They obviously have some value for you, value that transcends all of the small shit you must endure to receive it. I guess my recounting of the Israeli antics weren't entirely understood. This guy was blasting away the very excited emails for hours a day while in silence. You develop a great deal of pent up emotional energy on IA and the energy blowing off of people is something you can feel as you pass them in the lobby of the dome. I can certainly identify with this, not from the IA course, but from large TM residence courses I've been on or taught in the past. I recently mentioned the old Asilomar Christmas courses in California. Talk about emotional energy blowing off of people! Marriages ended on those courses. And the participants were just doing one extra round in the morning and the evening, no siddhis. Depression? An amazing amount. But think about it. This is self selection here. Until the international stipends were cancelled you had pretty much huddled masses from all over the US, (mostly the Eurozone) and Canada. People who find the motivation to give up their lives to come to FF and live in a trailer for months at a time trying to make a meager stipend last through the month are a special sort. See? This is the compassion thang I was talking about. This is an important point, and one that you chose to include. That's not evil intent, that's balance. There are some having a ball free spirits I admire for their innocence and stability then there are the many who appear to have not been dealt a full hand in life, the hangers on. I don't know if the clearing I heard about last year has been implemented. I doubt it. There was rumor amongst Dome spies (at least ones suspected to be such) that those people who hadn't hopped in years were going to have their stipends cancelled. I feel for these guys. So do I. I do not share their belief in the TM- siddhis and their value, but hey!, they paid their money and they learned just like everyone else. If the siddhis are not working for them as expected, telling them to take a hike sounds a lot like removing subjects from a scientific study because they're not showing the results they're supposed to. Mind you I only know about one dome. Word spreads around the dome in waves that travels almost faster than the speed of sound. Isn't that amazing? Anyway, from my perspective, please keep filling us in on your perspective. Some of us appreciate hearing it.
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On Dec 15, 2008, at 12:00 PM, I am the eternal wrote: Depression? An amazing amount. But think about it. This is self selection here. Until the international stipends were cancelled you had pretty much huddled masses from all over the US, (mostly the Eurozone) and Canada. People who find the motivation to give up their lives to come to FF and live in a trailer for months at a time trying to make a meager stipend last through the month are a special sort. There are some having a ball free spirits I admire for their innocence and stability then there are the many who appear to have not been dealt a full hand in life, the hangers on. I don't know if the clearing I heard about last year has been implemented. I doubt it. There was rumor amongst Dome spies (at least ones suspected to be such) that those people who hadn't hopped in years were going to have their stipends cancelled. I feel for these guys. How does that work? Is there someone there with a ledger keeping track of who hops and when, and who doesn't? Sal
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On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:00 PM, I am the eternal wrote: I'll think on starting a thread about my experiences and those of others on IA. I've already received some hostile reception here from someone who suggested very strongly that I go with going into silence on IA this time because of my postings. As in shut up. Not a good sign (that people want to silence you). What are they trying to hide? You've obviously hit a nerve. I hope you'll have the courage to share your findings and observations!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip I would add my voice to Ruth's in urging you to continue to post your impressions, because as I've said before I think you do it very well. There is a kind of Garrison Keillor or Will Rogers compassion in the way you say things that I find wonderful. I agree. You may say some things that some here don't want said, but I have never perceived any meanness or evil intent in anything you have said. What some of us find amusing is the salivating and heavy breathing--maybe some even more interesting physiological responses--occurring among the most, shall we say, intense of the TM critics here at the prospect of ***EVIDENCE*** that TM is harmful. It's quite a spectacle.
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No hopping? Just fake it. A former Purushnik once told me hopping was very much encouraged when he was on Purusha. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 1:36 PM On Dec 15, 2008, at 12:00 PM, I am the eternal wrote: Depression? An amazing amount. But think about it. This is self selection here. Until the international stipends were cancelled you had pretty much huddled masses from all over the US, (mostly the Eurozone) and Canada. People who find the motivation to give up their lives to come to FF and live in a trailer for months at a time trying to make a meager stipend last through the month are a special sort. There are some having a ball free spirits I admire for their innocence and stability then there are the many who appear to have not been dealt a full hand in life, the hangers on. I don't know if the clearing I heard about last year has been implemented. I doubt it. There was rumor amongst Dome spies (at least ones suspected to be such) that those people who hadn't hopped in years were going to have their stipends cancelled. I feel for these guys. How does that work? Is there someone there with a ledger keeping track of who hops and when, and who doesn't? Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 9:53 AM On Dec 15, 2008, at 8:39 AM, Peter wrote: Sal, you are also, I am the eternal? So, you got in your car and left because you felt, what, tricked or something? This was an Art of Living course, right? You say AOE but I'm assumming that's a typo, correct? Oh, yeah, and in answer to your question, you bet we felt tricked. Even the course leaders, when they made the announcement, admitted it sounded like an unpleasant prospect. Nothing like getting everyone to sign up and then telling them they're basically going to be on a starvation diet that few were prepared for, either physically or psychologically. What would you call that, Peter--honesty? Character building? Necessary purification on the road to E? What bullshit. And if the TMO had pulled that on you, I have no doubt that would be your reaction, and it would IMO be the correct one. Sal Sal, I'm not condemning you for your reaction; I'll withdraw my first's post implied condemnation! The first AOL in residence course they served us fruit for lunch only. At first I went, What? but then I just thought what the hell. It was no big deal. But my first impulse was the one you had. I've had very powerful experiences around SSRS, so I trust him. If the AOL people or SSRS are skimping on meals simply to make money, that'll be their bad karma, but I have a hard time seeing it that way. Did you have fruit for dinner too? That would be a little rough on many people. Probably good for them, or at least ,most of them, but not an informed choice as you note. How long was the course? To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 9:47 AM On Dec 15, 2008, at 8:39 AM, Peter wrote: On Dec 14, 2008, at 6:42 PM, I am the eternal wrote: On one AOE course I took, SSRS made everyone eat fruit the whole time, while he got delicious Indian meals. It might not have been so bad if several of us hadn't been in the house right next to his. You've got to be kidding me. You go to a course with SSRS and he has you eating fruit and you resent him because he's not doing the same? Yep. Thank goodness for cars. You don't seem to get it. Your screen name needs to be changed. I definitely don't get it, it was dishonest and seemed more like a way to save $$ than anything else. What if someone had had a medical condition and their system couldn't handle that much fruit? It was dishonest because he didn't tell us before we signed up. It just seemed like typical TMO Gotcha! nonsense. And my screen name, in case you were wondering, is meant ironically. Sal Sal, you are also, I am the eternal? So, you got in your car and left because you felt, what, tricked or something? This was an Art of Living course, right? You say AOE but I'm assumming that's a typo, correct? No, Peter, I'm not I am the eternal--I was responding to him. I didn't leave, we simply made trips into town to get some real food. And yes, it was an Art of Living course. Apart from that, it was a good course and I enjoyed it. But as I've written here before, on the third course I took, the course leaders pulled fast ones too, and I dropped out after that. What did the course leaders do that made you drop-out? To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:21 PM, gullible fool ffl...@yahoo.com wrote: No hopping? Just fake it. A former Purushnik once told me hopping was very much encouraged when he was on Purusha. You are aware that there's a kiddie section where the MUM students do program with their instructors. Attendence is taken and it's noted whether or not they hop. I would assume they correlate not hoping with not getting enough sleep the night before.
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On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Peter wrote: Sal, I'm not condemning you for your reaction; I'll withdraw my first's post implied condemnation! The first AOL in residence course they served us fruit for lunch only. At first I went, What? but then I just thought what the hell. It was no big deal. But my first impulse was the one you had. I've had very powerful experiences around SSRS, so I trust him. If the AOL people or SSRS are skimping on meals simply to make money, that'll be their bad karma, but I have a hard time seeing it that way. Did you have fruit for dinner too? Peter, *all* we had was FRUIT. Breakfast? Fruit. Lunch? Fruit. Dinner? Fruit. And, if you weren't totally fruited out by then, you probably could have gotten some for snacks too. It was like being on a 5-day long enema. I was kind of kidding about saving $$, I have no idea what the reasons were. But, to me at least, it just seemed like more of the same old Do as I say and not as I do bullshit that most of us were trying to get away from. And yeah, I do think that SSRS eating delicious Indian meals while the rest of us were essentially being forced to eat nothing but FRUIT was a dirty trick. Why didn't they just tell us beforehand, so people could have taken that into account when deciding whether or not to go? Because they probably would have gotten about 2 people for the course, that's why. Or, they could have given people a choice when they applied, letting everyone make the decision for themselves. But that's not what they did, of course. That would be a little rough on many people. Probably good for them, or at least, most of them, but not an informed choice as you note. How long was the course? Way too much of a good thing for a lot of people. And like I said, it wasn't even the fruit that was the worst part, it was the deception: get peoples' $$ and then you can make any idiotic decision you want, and if they don't like it, they've still paid. And the course leaders knew it too, you could have heard a pin drop when they made the announcement. I thought the guy who made it--Kevin I think his name was--looked a little smug when he did, but maybe that's just my spin. Sal
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--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:05 PM On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Peter wrote: Sal, I'm not condemning you for your reaction; I'll withdraw my first's post implied condemnation! The first AOL in residence course they served us fruit for lunch only. At first I went, What? but then I just thought what the hell. It was no big deal. But my first impulse was the one you had. I've had very powerful experiences around SSRS, so I trust him. If the AOL people or SSRS are skimping on meals simply to make money, that'll be their bad karma, but I have a hard time seeing it that way. Did you have fruit for dinner too? Peter, *all* we had was FRUIT. Breakfast? Fruit. Lunch? Fruit. Dinner? Fruit. And, if you weren't totally fruited out by then, you probably could have gotten some for snacks too. It was like being on a 5-day long enema. It must have been one of the earlier courses because I don't think they have fruit for dinner anymore. I was kind of kidding about saving $$, I have no idea what the reasons were. But, to me at least, it just seemed like more of the same old Do as I say and not as I do bullshit that most of us were trying to get away from. And yeah, I do think that SSRS eating delicious Indian meals while the rest of us were essentially being forced to eat nothing but FRUIT was a dirty trick. Why didn't they just tell us beforehand, so people could have taken that into account when deciding whether or not to go? Because they probably would have gotten about 2 people for the course, that's why. I get your point. As I said before, I would have initially reacted the same way as you did, but then i would have said what the hell an seen it as an adventure. But of course, informed consent would have been the best. Or, they could have given people a choice when they applied, letting everyone make the decision for themselves. But that's not what they did, of course. That would be a little rough on many people. Probably good for them, or at least, most of them, but not an informed choice as you note. How long was the course? Way too much of a good thing for a lot of people. And like I said, it wasn't even the fruit that was the worst part, it was the deception: get peoples' $$ and then you can make any idiotic decision you want, and if they don't like it, they've still paid. And the course leaders knew it too, you could have heard a pin drop when they made the announcement. I thought the guy who made it--Kevin I think his name was--looked a little smug when he did, but maybe that's just my spin. Sal I took my basic course from Kevin. He's an author of children's books, I believe, and has a sister in AOL too. I don't know him well enough to comment on his personality, although almost all the AOL people I've met in positions of leadership are pretty straight ahead and quite the breath of fresh air compared to the TMO crew! To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, The Secret l.shad...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: No, Peter, I'm not I am the eternal--I was responding to him. Sal Sal is definitely not me, I am the Eternal. Surely you have seen that our posting styles are much different. Sal can cut through bullshit with a blazing flourish. Me, I'm more of a kibitzer here who responds with URLs to what I believe are relevant videos from The Onion. Perhaps I can kill a few birds with one stone. To answer the question about spies in the Mens Dome. Well, of course it starts with Jeff, the very dark, troubled soul of the Director of Devco. He's the head of Dome Security. He has people working for him. Make entries in ledgers? Yes, I guess there are entries made. But understand that you're going to the same place and sitting in the same place for hours twice a day. The dome population is not that big. After a while you get to know everybody's public persona and of course there's a party line we all share at a certain level above the gap. Been there many times. It's where everybody's thoughts pop through from the Absolute. I suspect it's the place we access when performing telepathy. That's available as well. The men in the dome are loosely organized into cells or cliques. TB governors give rides to just your ordinary Joes but TBs find and gather with each other, average Joes like myself find each other. Of course the average Joes don't tell the TBs that last night we went over to Jack's trailer and enjoyed an evening dinner of as close as you can get to a proper English breakfast in FF/VC. So the TBs keep tabs on everybody and informally report to Jeff. The average Joes mind their Ps and Qs around the TBs. I have the rare privilege of coming to IA with prosperity. I either rent a flat or get a place at the Rukmapura. Lately I've beem also renting flats and/or suites at the Rukmapura for expat IA CPs. So we have off campus places to have dinners, watch and talk about The Secret (we are all of us in my group cult followers of The Secret). I have a number of expats on stipend and paid plane fare continuously, making up for the cancellation of the foreign stipends in some small way. So I'm constantly kept up on what's going on because I have, well, representatives on IA most of the time. Is it worth the bullshit? Is it worth the mind fuck? Well, yes. But except for a very long stint on CCP some years ago I can't take the TMO for very long. I go to IA for a couple of weeks and even then I'm only on campus for rounding. I don't tell my good friends and sponsorees that they are deluded. I figure that their time for understanding has not yet come. So how does IA feel? If you're not suicidally depressed or bizarrely manic it feels pretty good. The atmosphere has changed remarkably since last Winter with the advent of the many pundits. The presence of the pundits is especially powerful in VC and staying at the Rukmapura is quite a treat. You can feel this very earthy, phallic presence in VC these days. It's nothing like TM. Something quite different indeed. It would seem like program for up to 8 hours at a time would seem like forever. Actually it goes by pretty quickly. You really are soaking in the Absolute and it's a very nice experience. Sometimes there are amongst the expats and a few American Joes like myself one of the old waves we experienced decades back. Waves which go through the dome and lift guys up. Often there's chuckling and laughter during these waves, though the TBs pull us aside periodically and tell us Maharishi told us to stop this. Number One experiences are common amongst some of the active hoppers including myself. I'm sorry - you've lost me here. I thought I knew what No 1s and No 2s were, but clearly something better is happening here. It's really interesting the telling to everyone about a Number One experience by a TB, a THP or MD and the average Joe. The experience of the first 3 is always full of movement speak. first 3? What the f* is that? Very etherial. Something you just can't put your finger on. The average Joe (or Jane)'s experiences aren't full of jargon. They are full of heart. You have these deja vu experiences when you hear their recitation. Of course Dr. BM picks up the heartless experiences and declares them to be the sublime ones and rags on about them. How very interesting that even on IA there are strata of people, strata of experiences. Of course I'm sold out to the salt of the earth in the Domes. I'm one of them. And I feel such comradship to the rest of the salt of the earth. I'm Johnny on the spot sponsoring this one for PK, giving this one a prepaid cell phone, taking this one to Iowa City for clothes. I even have a North American Dialing Plan and Eurozone tollfree number so I
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On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Peter wrote: No, Peter, I'm not I am the eternal--I was responding to him. I didn't leave, we simply made trips into town to get some real food. And yes, it was an Art of Living course. Apart from that, it was a good course and I enjoyed it. But as I've written here before, on the third course I took, the course leaders pulled fast ones too, and I dropped out after that. What did the course leaders do that made you drop-out? From Post #102249, on 6/20/06: While I have no real qualms with SSRS himself, his organization, at least when I was involved (which was only for a little over a year in the 90s), almost made the TMO look good--and that ain't easy. On the first course I took, without telling us before hand, they made the announcement at the first meeting that we would all be on a fruit diet, for the entire course--6 days. Not only was that a dirty trick (IMO of course--perhaps others liked it) but couldn't that possibly affect someone's health, if they were diabetic, or had digestive problems? To make matters worse, I and a number of others were housed in the building adjacent to his...with the lovely smell of delicious Indian food wafting over 3 times daily. Try fasting with **that** happening. Anyway, of course we cheated--why not, he was--and went into town where I and a few others had at least a couple of decent meals. But we sure didn't appreciate having to shell out yet more $$ after having paid for room and board for the course...the worst part being, IMO, that nobody had bothered to tell us beforehand--a deliberate omission, because they were afraid nobody would come otherwise? Who knows. Then there were the meetings themselves, at which any number of people would be fighting with each other--literally--to sit as close to the front as possible. The second course, the one in Pittsburgh, was another classic Oops, they did it again... scenario. This one was so bad it would make a great plot for a movie where nothing goes right. It wasn't enough that they put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you turned on the heat (it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette smoke to choke an elephant--they then pulled Trick #2. Into tiny rooms in which we barely had enough space to walk, those of us on the long part of the course (6 days) then had to share whatever microscopic amount of free space was left with the 2-day course participants--I doubt they knew that was going to happen, and I know we didn't. Add to that that there were a couple of TM vagrants who hadn't registered and were staying at the hotel illegally, seriously ticking off the management, and you have the makings for, possibly, the Worst Course Ever. I have no idea how much of all of this SSRS knew about, but it was his organization and he does bear some of the responsibility. On a personal level, I felt he was much warmer and more approachable than MMY. But after those two disasters, I pretty much gave up on all of them. Addendum: The Pittsburgh course was actually the third course I took, the second being in Wisconsin, w/o SSRS. Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: On Dec 14, 2008, at 6:42 PM, I am the eternal wrote: On one AOE course I took, SSRS made everyone eat fruit the whole time, while he got delicious Indian meals. It might not have been so bad if several of us hadn't been in the house right next to his. You've got to be kidding me. You go to a course with SSRS and he has you eating fruit and you resent him because he's not doing the same? You don't seem to get it. Your screen name needs to be changed. She calls herself 'PornoSal' on some other forums. OffWorld
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:57 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man On Dec 15, 2008, at 12:01 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Think yourself lucky PornoSal. Ravi Shankar may have tried to make you eat fruit, while you dined out in restaurants in Geneva, but I heard from a follower of hers, that on Ammaji's Ashram they were made to jump in and shovel shit out of the Ashram cesspool. When they showed slight dislike for it, Ammaji jumped in the shitpool and started shoveling the shit herself, and shouting to them how blissful it was to shovel shit --- for a whole 2 minutes while they were expected to shovel that human feces for hours on end. The follower told me this as if it showed how great she was to jump in the shit (for 2 minutes), and how grateful he was to be able to shovel shit for her for 2 hours. Lol ! True story. I'm really glad to have been a follower of Maharishi. I read this story in Ed Beckley's book (http://www.amazon.com/Dance-Rich-Yogi-Ed-Beckley/dp/1403335915). Ed was there. The way he told it, a cesspool at the ashram had become clogged, and because of that, the whole sewage system wasn't working. Unclogging it required that some stuff blocking a submerged pipe be removed. Some people were trying, unsuccessfully, to do this with a stick or a pole, staying as far from the stinking pit as possible. Amma saw them and, impatient to solve the problem (and to teach a lesson by example) she jumped in and started unclogging it by hand. She called for buckets and a bucket brigade was started, Amma scooping and others carrying the shit away. My wife formatted that book and designed the cover. If anyone wants to hear the whole story, I'll find the text and post it.
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HOP= Pushing off --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:21 PM, gullible fool ffl...@... wrote: No hopping? Just fake it. A former Purushnik once told me hopping was very much encouraged when he was on Purusha. You are aware that there's a kiddie section where the MUM students do program with their instructors. Attendence is taken and it's noted whether or not they hop. I would assume they correlate not hoping with not getting enough sleep the night before.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:57 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man On Dec 15, 2008, at 12:01 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Think yourself lucky PornoSal. Ravi Shankar may have tried to make you eat fruit, while you dined out in restaurants in Geneva, but I heard from a follower of hers, that on Ammaji's Ashram they were made to jump in and shovel shit out of the Ashram cesspool. When they showed slight dislike for it, Ammaji jumped in the shitpool and started shoveling the shit herself, and shouting to them how blissful it was to shovel shit --- for a whole 2 minutes while they were expected to shovel that human feces for hours on end. The follower told me this as if it showed how great she was to jump in the shit (for 2 minutes), and how grateful he was to be able to shovel shit for her for 2 hours. Lol ! True story. I'm really glad to have been a follower of Maharishi. I read this story in Ed Beckley's book (http://www.amazon.com/Dance-Rich-Yogi-Ed-Beckley/dp/1403335915 http://www.amazon.com/Dance-Rich-Yogi-Ed-Beckley/dp/1403335915 ). Ed was there. The way he told it, a cesspool at the ashram had become clogged, and because of that, the whole sewage system wasn't working. Unclogging it required that some stuff blocking a submerged pipe be removed. Some people were trying, unsuccessfully, to do this with a stick or a pole, staying as far from the stinking pit as possible. Amma saw them and, impatient to solve the problem (and to teach a lesson by example) she jumped in and started unclogging it by hand. She called for buckets and a bucket brigade was started, Amma scooping and others carrying the shit away. My wife formatted that book and designed the cover. If anyone wants to hear the whole story, I'll find the text and post it. The guy I heard it from was there too. Anyways, with all her money she can't afford plumbers? .Jeez... I hate it when bosses jump in the shit for a few minutes to show you how great they are at it, Then expect someone else to do it without complaining all the rest of the time. Its like the boss from 'The Office'...Its bullshit. I never saw Maharishi jump in the shit to prove an existential point, with dictatorial/communistic polar opposites as overtones in social structure. Your post makes me feel really fortunate to have been a follower of Maharishi. OffWorld
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The Secret l.shad...@... wrote: I'm Johnny on the spot sponsorin this one for PK, giving this one a prepaid cell phone, taking this one to Iowa City for clothes. I even have a North American Dialing Plan and Eurozone tollfree number so I can handle emergencies as they come up amongst the men I have the funds to help. Do I mention this to puff myself up? I hope not. I want to be of service and I want to stay quite anonymous. I love this. Small acts of kindness. If anything is going to change the world, it's small acts of kindness
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On Dec 15, 2008, at 8:59 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: The Secret l.shad...@... wrote: I'm Johnny on the spot sponsorin this one for PK, giving this one a prepaid cell phone, taking this one to Iowa City for clothes. I even have a North American Dialing Plan and Eurozone tollfree number so I can handle emergencies as they come up amongst the men I have the funds to help. Do I mention this to puff myself up? I hope not. I want to be of service and I want to stay quite anonymous. I love this. Small acts of kindness. If anything is going to change the world, it's small acts of kindness Also not afraid to turn away from others suffering: the real hero's not afraid to see things as they are.
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On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:37 PM, Vaj wrote: Also not afraid to turn away from others suffering: the real hero's not afraid to see things as they are ...not afraid to not turn away from others suffering: the real hero's not afraid to see things as they are.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: The Secret L.Shaddai@ wrote: I'm Johnny on the spot sponsorin this one for PK, giving this one a prepaid cell phone, taking this one to Iowa City for clothes. I even have a North American Dialing Plan and Eurozone tollfree number so I can handle emergencies as they come up amongst the men I have the funds to help. Do I mention this to puff myself up? I hope not. I want to be of service and I want to stay quite anonymous. I love this. Small acts of kindness. If anything is going to change the world, it's small acts of kindness HaHa. And when someone unstress their brains out they never ever see how silly their behaviour seems for others.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: The guy I heard it from was there too. Anyways, with all her money she can't afford plumbers? .Jeez... I hate it when bosses jump in the shit for a few minutes to show you how great they are at it, Then expect someone else to do it without complaining all the rest of the time. Its like the boss from 'The Office'...Its bullshit. I never saw Maharishi jump in the shit to prove an existential point, with dictatorial/communistic polar opposites as overtones in social structure. Your post makes me feel really fortunate to have been a follower of Maharishi. Ruth, here's one answer to your question about why people keep meditating, at least TM-style: they *get off* on being considered peons. Off obviously *likes* the idea of having a boss who tells his lessers to do things. God forbid the boss should ever do any of them himself. It's a kind of inverse elitism: Yes, we may be peons, but we're the 'best' peons because we do the grunt work for the 'best' boss.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: While from one POV you can hear the fanatic tone of the TM-cultist, on the other the objective reader will also recognize the sterility and heartlessness so common within it's most fanatical adherents. Sounds to me as though he nailed the teachers he was with, but because he was such an asshole, he just got their backs up, and they accused him of mood-making.
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I only wish to point this out to you, Maharishi, that you might know the sadness within Creation that such beautiful and noble souls as the teachers were that gathered here are being so maliciously duped by anti-Being intelligence, and how unlikely it is the Maya of it will be lifted before they drop the body. Then, of course, they will discover that it is not so much the merit they have accumulated from initiating, or the purity they have acquired from flying, but the extent to which they have brought the Dance of Creative Intelligence into each cell of their Being and thus into each moment of their life, that they might give glory to Creation within the microcosmic reality designed by the Creator. Check out the they'll-be-sorry-when-they-die threat so popular with Nabby and Guru Dev! In his grandiosity he reveals his mental condition. I feel for the guy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Robin Woodsworth Carlsen issued a series of long-winded letters in 1978, two years after his TM enlightenment on September the 19th at 1:25 PM, 1976. This guy sure did love to write! The 183 page book is typeset in a small 9 point font and is single-spaced and includes Robin's own glossary of TM-speak and the newer Robin-speak. The preface describes the collection as completely unprecedented and claims to reconcile the Buddha's search for Nirvana with Hamlet's quest for self-knowledge. The book begins with an intro letter which also serves as an intro to the book. The second letter, excerpted here, is a letter directly addressed to his teacher, HH the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and concerns the condition of the personality of his teachers [of Transcendental Meditation] and the tamasic pseudo- serenity they seemed to be manifesting. While from one POV you can hear the fanatic tone of the TM-cultist, on the other the objective reader will also recognize the sterility and heartlessness so common within it's most fanatical adherents. As with most Carlsen letters, it begins with a quotation. (A third letter which follows this one is addressed to all TM teachers and governors.) --- All Excerpts © Robin Woodsworth Carlsen, 1978. The book has no ISBN. I am the necessary angel of the earth, Since, in my sight, you see the earth again, Cleared of its stiff and stubborn, man-locked set... Wallace Stevens July 9, 1978 Dear Maharishi, Today we received a call from the Victoria Center informing us of a phone call from you at noon. Some of us here at Sunnyside were working, but five of us came down to the Center to await that magical moment when we would hear your voice live. As it turned out we waited for about two hours and then you came through. I had hoped to hear a more personal message, but in spite of the specific theme of your talk, Invincibility Campaign in B.C., the sound of your voice connected us with the most beautiful personalized expression of Being. In those few minutes when you spoke all of us felt the nourishing influence of that human being who had given us the power to break out of the horrible prison of ignorance. I also realized, perhaps more vividly than ever before, how you have created activities for all your teachers so that they might stay on the Path and continue to raise the level of sattva in world consciousness. It is as if you have taken thousands of crippled children on your knee and are nurturing them to the point of being able to walk. That you could gain the utter devotion and loyalty of tens of thousands of individuals raised in a civilization that has lost its traditional roots and which glorifies a small 'i' individual, is nothing short of miraculous. The consciousness and physiological purity of your teachers places them in a class by themselves. No doubt they are transforming the environment in a way that is going to alter the course of history. Today, however, I witnessed a phenomenon that has reached what I perceive to be a most critical and dangerous stage. I refer to the tragic condition of the teachers' personalities. Somehow in absolutely placing all their attention on meditation and teaching they have assumed a passive role within the evolutionary challenges that present themselves within activity. We know that Creative Intelligence dances in every cell of the universe, and that every sphere within Creation has its own laws, the violation of which injures Creation and brings suffering to the doer. In spite of all their very real devotion and creativity, the teachers have, for the most part, ignored the domain of life in which there is the highest concentration of divine energy and love: Relationship. Initiators, knowing that they are in possession of the perfect technology for Self-realization, invest no attention in the art of communication. Whereas someone
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip If you could share and document these stories here (or offlist) it could be of some help to others. It's of little help if they just remain in the closet. What you're claiming is extremely disturbing to me, but something that has been repeatedly hinted at here, albeit in the past tense in terms of actual examples. And there has been extremely pointed attempts at refutation of those claims from the TB Tom, Dick and Judys of this list. (As Vaj knows, I'm not a TB.) If Vaj is referring to his story about coldbluice's testing experiences, my pointed attempt to refute Vaj's version was by reposting what coldbluice himself had said, which contradicted what Vaj claimed.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: I'd be happy to share experiences. It'll take a while to get them written out. I'll be getting a whole slew of new ones in IA within the week. Yes please do let the gossip coming in ! Spare no efforts ! Any poor soul gaining wight lately ? It will be very helpful for Vaj and other religious fundamentalists in their tireless, yet vain efforts, in undermining the results of TM. I am the eternal (!)- please keep up this good and important work ! And while you're at it; get a checking !
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: This sounds like a great idea and I may avail myself of the option. Going into silence is wonderful. It settles down the physiology and quiets things down inside. Yes, wondeful - please take silence ! From what you have written here lately you definately need it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: If you could share and document these stories here (or offlist) it could be of some help to others. It's of little help if they just remain in the closet. What you're claiming is extremely disturbing to me, but something that has been repeatedly hinted at here, albeit in the past tense in terms of actual examples. And there has been extremely pointed attempts at refutation of those claims from the TB Tom, Dick and Judys of this list. Will you please share some examples, of course preserving the anonymity of those mentioned and of course, your self? What you're describing is a laboratory for mental illness. Surely you exaggerate? Thanks in advance for what you're able to share. May it benefit others. I'd be happy to share experiences. It'll take a while to get them written out. I'll be getting a whole slew of new ones in IA within the week. There is an Israeli now setting at MUM for an advanced degree. One of the biggest (size and momentum) hoppers on IA. Totally bonkers. One week he's so up that you can see he's obviously manic. Another week he's so down that he's taken refuge in his room for the week. He decided to go into silence at the end of last December. The thing is that how do you put an Israeli into silence without putting him insolation? He stopped and chatted with a dozen or more people an Annupura every lunch. Except since he was in silence, he couldn't talk so he pantomimed. He carried a notebook in which he frantically exchanged notes. Spent hours a day corresponding with people via email. It was the most amazing thing to behold. He expended many times the energy himself and in those he conversed with than if he just quit being in silence and spoke. Now all of this might not seem very strange to you. I guess you would have had to be there. Remember that this is not a college kid or one of you on TTC 30 years ago. This is a grown man in the 50-60 year age range who's a many degreed expert in Middle Eastern languages. Why don't you start a thread of your stories and experiences? Please? I have heard from my contacts in FF that many on the IAA seem to be very depressed, but I can't pry too much for specifics.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Dec 14, 2008, at 6:42 PM, I am the eternal wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: It sounds less manic or strange to me than totally silly. The whole idea behind going into silence, or so I thought, is to be quiet, within yourself so that you can get whatever realizations you're going to get. If you just exchange one form of communication for another, seems to me you're missing the whole point. Then again, maybe he's just a drama king and loves the attention. Sal Bingo! Give Sal a cupie doll. You nailed it. A drama queen. As far as the moods, well you'd have to be there to experience them. This is one powerful dude, so everyone who encounters this dude feels his profound mood swings. One of the jumps forward this year is on the Christmas holiday WPA to pick up the slack of people going away for the holidays and Christmas break at MUM. There's an option to go into silence on Maharishi's former schedule but this time for the first time I've seen things will be set up so one can be in silence. Annupura and Dome activities will be set up to accomodate being in silence. This sounds like a great idea and I may avail myself of the option. Going into silence is wonderful. I'll bet it is, especially if you have a whole bunch of entertaining nutcases playing Charades with each other. I'd actually try and get a look myself if I thought I could get away with it, but I'm afraid the jeans and frayed hippie look would be a dead giveaway. It settles down the physiology and quiets things down inside. Thankfully there will be food because I couldn't take Maharishi's practice of going into silence for a week with only a glass of water, no matter how many packages of Twinkies you've already hidden around your residence. If it really was his practice. On one AOE course I took, SSRS made everyone eat fruit the whole time, while he got delicious Indian meals. It might not have been so bad if several of us hadn't been in the house right next to his. Twinkies? We weren't that desperate--we made midnight runs to the local restaurants. It was in Lake Geneva, so the local places were pretty good. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Dec 14, 2008, at 6:42 PM, I am the eternal wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: It sounds less manic or strange to me than totally silly. The whole idea behind going into silence, or so I thought, is to be quiet, within yourself so that you can get whatever realizations you're going to get. If you just exchange one form of communication for another, seems to me you're missing the whole point. Then again, maybe he's just a drama king and loves the attention. Sal Bingo! Give Sal a cupie doll. You nailed it. A drama queen. As far as the moods, well you'd have to be there to experience them. This is one powerful dude, so everyone who encounters this dude feels his profound mood swings. One of the jumps forward this year is on the Christmas holiday WPA to pick up the slack of people going away for the holidays and Christmas break at MUM. There's an option to go into silence on Maharishi's former schedule but this time for the first time I've seen things will be set up so one can be in silence. Annupura and Dome activities will be set up to accomodate being in silence. This sounds like a great idea and I may avail myself of the option. Going into silence is wonderful. I'll bet it is, especially if you have a whole bunch of entertaining nutcases playing Charades with each other. I'd actually try and get a look myself if I thought I could get away with it, but I'm afraid the jeans and frayed hippie look would be a dead giveaway. It settles down the physiology and quiets things down inside. Thankfully there will be food because I couldn't take Maharishi's practice of going into silence for a week with only a glass of water, no matter how many packages of Twinkies you've already hidden around your residence. If it really was his practice. On one AOE course I took, SSRS made everyone eat fruit the whole time, while he got delicious Indian meals. It might not have been so bad if several of us hadn't been in the house right next to his. Think yourself lucky PornoSal. Ravi Shankar may have tried to make you eat fruit, while you dined out in restaurants in Geneva, but I heard from a follower of hers, that on Ammaji's Ashram they were made to jump in and shovel shit out of the Ashram cesspool. When they showed slight dislike for it, Ammaji jumped in the shitpool and started shoveling the shit herself, and shouting to them how blissful it was to shovel shit --- for a whole 2 minutes while they were expected to shovel that human feces for hours on end. The follower told me this as if it showed how great she was to jump in the shit (for 2 minutes), and how grateful he was to be able to shovel shit for her for 2 hours. Lol ! True story. I'm really glad to have been a follower of Maharishi. OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letters From an Enlightened Man
On Dec 14, 2008, at 6:42 PM, I am the eternal wrote: On one AOE course I took, SSRS made everyone eat fruit the whole time, while he got delicious Indian meals. It might not have been so bad if several of us hadn't been in the house right next to his. You've got to be kidding me. You go to a course with SSRS and he has you eating fruit and you resent him because he's not doing the same? You don't seem to get it. Your screen name needs to be changed.
