--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > How do you reconcile the fact, which was mentioned
> > > on here in some  
> > > detail, that M. sleeps a full eight hours or more
> > > and the fact that  
> > > enlightened beings require little sleep? There are
> > > numerous other  
> > > items which would bring into question M.'s
> > > "enlightenment".
> > > 
> > > So the story goes.
> > 
> > MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100%
> > true. Nothing in the relative indicates anything
> > regarding enlightenment. All mind games and ego
> > positions. Vaj, have you ever interacted with MMY
> > personally?
> > 
> > 
> ****
> I quote an earlier earlier post of yours dr.Pete:
> "The mind wants to have a story as a defense against
> experiences that contradict its primary story. Why
> have any story at all? MMY is a con artist; MMY is a
> great saint. He's both, he's neither, he's nothing.
> Why have any story/position at all. Does it matter?
> Attached, non-attached...just more stories."
> 
> Dr. Pete why do you want to create this story. Enlightened or not
> enlightened, doesn't matter, just stories. In addition to that
> enlightenment is a very confusing concept, because it is understood in
> so many ways. I myself also understand it in many ways. In one end I
> see every living sentient being to be enlightened and at the other
> extreme no one qualifies. Why do you need to defend MMY hiding so
> strongly behind the story of enlightenment (100% true).
> Or maybe there is no "I", who has an agenda to defend here. Words just
> lightly pop up from nowhere, there is no weight, no emotional stirring
> prompting YOU to write? Whom are YOU trying to delude here and why?
> 
> Irmeli
>

In all the pondering about MMY's sanity honesty etc I think the real
question which underlies it is the effectiveness of the basic TM and
the TM-Sidhis programs. There is certainly some thought that if MMY is
a con man maybe he missrepresented thier effect. Or maybe The
program/s are effective regardless of MMY's personality. This seems to
be the big question at least in my mind.






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