[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
According to Dzogchen teacher, Sogyal Rinpoche, the author of the 'Tibetan Book of the Living and Dying', it's much more practical to just be aware of the methods and stages of meditation. In the first stage you must realize that meditation is not something that you can 'do', but rather something that you 'let happen'. emptybill: I hear that Sogyal Rinpoche learned Chogyam Trungpa's koan... Who did you hear that from? You are not making much sense. You seem to be be knowledgeable about some things, but unable to stay on topic. You might consider spending more time on constructing your messages - these one liners posted just before you leave for work don't make much sense. I know you want to be one of the adepts posting here, but we're going to have to insist on not wasting our time and band-space on nonsensical trivia. Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
Did you lose it again Willy? Can't make the connection 'cause it's longer than 1 thought+ 1 thought = another thought or 2 thoughts? Hmmm let me simplify it for you. Chogyam Trungpa adopted Soto style discipline after Suzuki Roshi pointed out to him how slack his students were. Trungpa used part of Suzuki Roshi's method to enable his students to learn sitting. Soto uses koans too Willy. As I pointed out before, I have a friend who was in the early '70 Trungpa crowd. While talking with Trungps, he asked her his most intimate koan Ya wanna go onna date? This was his famous I want to fuck you question and/or statement. Sogyal Rinpoche followed in Trungpa's footsteps. He has his sexual scandals too. See below: http://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2010/02/03/briefing-document-on-sog\ yal-rinpoche-5th-symphony/ http://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2010/02/03/briefing-document-on-so\ gyal-rinpoche-5th-symphony/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: According to Dzogchen teacher, Sogyal Rinpoche, the author of the 'Tibetan Book of the Living and Dying', it's much more practical to just be aware of the methods and stages of meditation. In the first stage you must realize that meditation is not something that you can 'do', but rather something that you 'let happen'. emptybill: I hear that Sogyal Rinpoche learned Chogyam Trungpa's koan... Who did you hear that from? You are not making much sense. You seem to be be knowledgeable about some things, but unable to stay on topic. You might consider spending more time on constructing your messages - these one liners posted just before you leave for work don't make much sense. I know you want to be one of the adepts posting here, but we're going to have to insist on not wasting our time and band-space on nonsensical trivia. Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogi2009 raviyogi@... wrote: I would be really curious to know what BS your brain has been able to filter out here? There is not much brain there, as numerous posts here abundantly shows. She's bragging again :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: I'm sure it does. Unfortunately I have this thing called a brain which usually allows me to filter the BS from the useful stuff. YMMV. On May 11, 2011, at 3:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! You need to sit lazily to get to the place where expectations turn into no-expectations. Works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. In other words, since you are asking a question that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope that that answers your question. And if it doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple of my German friends escort you to the door. It is all good, yes? Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just be And if I just keep droning on and on like this, hopefully nobody will notice (or at least mention) that I sound like a Indian Chatty Cathy that won't shut up. Because you see, when I get a question that doesn't fit into one of the answers I already have prepared, that is all I'm computed to do. Next!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: The only problem with me is saving the world part. The biggest troublemakers have been people who are trying to save the world. Hmm... could it be that the saving the world was primarily a carrot to motivate TM'ers to get through the potential duHkham eva sarvam (everything is misery, suffering) -phase??
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.comwrote: Rav, I have heard the usual tag-lines for TM~~ TM is the best!! Sitting on your butt in the Domes for hours on end will bring whirled peas!! Laziness is healthy!! Up is down!! Black is white!! and so on~~ for so long with zero evidence to support any of the grandiose claims, that I would hard put to filter out what *isn't* BS at this point. Wouldn't you? Oh, yeah, you don't do TM now or you never have, can't remember which. Anyway, as I've said before, I see no credible evidence that TM is anything more than a simple technique for mild relaxation, period. I no longer believe this is true. And that goes one thousand fold for the TM Sidhis. The TM Sidhis can and do produce very bizarre symptoms in many practicioners. Severe mental illness like bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. I've seen enough of it to no longer view the symptoms as simple unstressing. I have a friend I've disowned. Recently moved to MUM and returned to dome. The phone calls, the SMSs, the emails others and I have gotten. Truly, truly bizarre. I thought that only two people from my CIC continued to practice TM or the sidhis while the rest went from loving couples to messy divorces, turned to drugs, got checked into psycho wards and the like were just the result of unstressing and changes in attitudes brought about by rapid growth. Now I see my assessments over the years were wrong. Dead wrong. TM might be a simple, mild relaxation technique for some. For others, it's very dangerous.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: snip TM might be a simple, mild relaxation technique for some. For others, it's very dangerous. Most certainly if someone doesn't follow the instructions. Which is the case in 95% of all the cases I know. The rest simply have such heavy issues that it could take lifetimes to sort them out. Meanwhile TM certainly helps them a great deal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Humorous responses indeed especially sharing the posterity part, but you are very harsh on TM Uncle Vaj, very harsh, considering it's all dreaming the dream of thought constructs. I just can't understand why you always have to be such a sarcastic, boorish old fart spoiling the fun of TM lil' ones playing with their toys. Anyway how's everything been lately, any recent updates on your Vakra Gita that you would like to share? You have to wonder where Vaj spends the majority of his spiritual capital. It's like he's married to his Buddhist (or whatever) tradition, but as soon as he's done his husbandly duties there, he's out the door to see his mistress, the TMO. That's where he gets his thrills. She titillates him. She is so bad, she's good. And he can't stay away.
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On May 11, 2011, at 11:19 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, giveabighand no_reply@... wrote: The alternative to that would be to try hard, take yourself seriously and be really attached to your blow-hard intellect which would only result in becoming a disappointed sarcastic pessimist but you can call me Vaj for short Sorry, that name's been taken. How about ass? It's short and sweet.
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On May 11, 2011, at 11:22 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 8:45 PM, giveabighand wrote: The Norway 1963 checking notes are in a box in my basement. I will dig them out some day. Well you should scan away and release them to Wikileaks. Include any detached, relevant historical info as a separate txt file. says Vaj salivating That was soma dripping from my crown chakra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Humorous responses indeed especially sharing the posterity part, but you are very harsh on TM Uncle Vaj, very harsh, considering it's all dreaming the dream of thought constructs. I just can't understand why you always have to be such a sarcastic, boorish old fart spoiling the fun of TM lil' ones playing with their toys. Anyway how's everything been lately, any recent updates on your Vakra Gita that you would like to share? You have to wonder where Vaj spends the majority of his spiritual capital. It's like he's married to his Buddhist (or whatever) tradition, but as soon as he's done his husbandly duties there, he's out the door to see his mistress, the TMO. That's where he gets his thrills. She titillates him. She is so bad, she's good. And he can't stay away. Or said a different way, this is where he gets his boners. Better than the same old, same old.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 11:22 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 8:45 PM, giveabighand wrote: The Norway 1963 checking notes are in a box in my basement. I will dig them out some day. Well you should scan away and release them to Wikileaks. Include any detached, relevant historical info as a separate txt file. says Vaj salivating That was soma dripping from my crown chakra. was it green tinted If it ain't green tinted, it may have been something else.
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On May 12, 2011, at 1:40 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: Humorous responses indeed especially sharing the posterity part, but you are very harsh on TM Uncle Vaj, very harsh, considering it's all dreaming the dream of thought constructs. I just can't understand why you always have to be such a sarcastic, boorish old fart spoiling the fun of TM lil' ones playing with their toys. It's purely historical Ravi. It can't be in the historical record, if it remains hidden in a box in someone's storage closet. Anyway how's everything been lately, any recent updates on your Vakra Gita that you would like to share? There is no such item, it's just another one of your delude fantasies.
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On May 12, 2011, at 8:03 AM, seventhray1 wrote: You have to wonder where Vaj spends the majority of his spiritual capital. It's like he's married to his Buddhist (or whatever) tradition, but as soon as he's done his husbandly duties there, he's out the door to see his mistress, the TMO. That's where he gets his thrills. She titillates him. She is so bad, she's good. And he can't stay away. You have a very overactive imagination Ray.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 12, 2011, at 8:03 AM, seventhray1 wrote: You have to wonder where Vaj spends the majority of his spiritual capital. It's like he's married to his Buddhist (or whatever) tradition, but as soon as he's done his husbandly duties there, he's out the door to see his mistress, the TMO. That's where he gets his thrills. She titillates him. She is so bad, she's good. And he can't stay away. You have a very overactive imagination Ray. Same thing my third grade teacher told me. Is this a positive or a negative?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLPHAzDMVT4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 12, 2011, at 8:03 AM, seventhray1 wrote: You have to wonder where Vaj spends the majority of his spiritual capital. It's like he's married to his Buddhist (or whatever) tradition, but as soon as he's done his husbandly duties there, he's out the door to see his mistress, the TMO. That's where he gets his thrills. She titillates him. She is so bad, she's good. And he can't stay away. You have a very overactive imagination Ray. Same thing my third grade teacher told me. Is this a positive or a negative?
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On May 12, 2011, at 8:38 AM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 12, 2011, at 8:03 AM, seventhray1 wrote: You have to wonder where Vaj spends the majority of his spiritual capital. It's like he's married to his Buddhist (or whatever) tradition, but as soon as he's done his husbandly duties there, he's out the door to see his mistress, the TMO. That's where he gets his thrills. She titillates him. She is so bad, she's good. And he can't stay away. You have a very overactive imagination Ray. Same thing my third grade teacher told me. Is this a positive or a negative? Both probably.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Humorous responses indeed especially sharing the posterity part, but you are very harsh on TM Uncle Vaj, very harsh, considering it's all dreaming the dream of thought constructs. I just can't understand why you always have to be such a sarcastic, boorish old fart spoiling the fun of TM lil' ones playing with their toys. Anyway how's everything been lately, any recent updates on your Vakra Gita that you would like to share? You have to wonder where Vaj spends the majority of his spiritual capital. It's like he's married to his Buddhist (or whatever) tradition, but as soon as he's done his husbandly duties there, he's out the door to see his mistress, the TMO. That's where he gets his thrills. She titillates him. She is so bad, she's good. And he can't stay away. Haha, very funny :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
2000 people sitting lazily in the domes are out to save the world. Its perfect! How could it not work! Vaj: The only way it would not work is if, somehow, the dogma of effortlessness had spread thru the sangha and became an institutionalized, mood-making drama. Oh, please stop it, Vaj! Perfection (siddhis) is accomplished spontaneously, without any effort, not through mind-control or concious effort. - Sogyal Rinpoche
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
Vaj is the Jimmy Swaggart (televangelist caught soliciting prostitutes) of FFL, carrying on an illicit relationship with the TMO, while proclaiming especially to his family how much he despises the TM Organization. For all his Buddhist this and that, his persona here comes across as an arrogant, dissatisfied seeker taking out his continual frustrations on a Maharishi he never met and whose techniques he may have practiced sporadically, if at all. I think at this point he has developed an anger addiction towards the TMO and Maharishi. Definitely no sign of the benign and abiding ideal Buddhist of great knowledge and greater humor that he so desperately wants to be (IF ONLY THOSE F*CKING TMers WOULD GET LOST!). Weird guy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Humorous responses indeed especially sharing the posterity part, but you are very harsh on TM Uncle Vaj, very harsh, considering it's all dreaming the dream of thought constructs. I just can't understand why you always have to be such a sarcastic, boorish old fart spoiling the fun of TM lil' ones playing with their toys. Anyway how's everything been lately, any recent updates on your Vakra Gita that you would like to share? You have to wonder where Vaj spends the majority of his spiritual capital. It's like he's married to his Buddhist (or whatever) tradition, but as soon as he's done his husbandly duties there, he's out the door to see his mistress, the TMO. That's where he gets his thrills. She titillates him. She is so bad, she's good. And he can't stay away.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
There's Something About Mary.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 11:22 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 8:45 PM, giveabighand wrote: The Norway 1963 checking notes are in a box in my basement. I will dig them out some day. Well you should scan away and release them to Wikileaks. Include any detached, relevant historical info as a separate txt file. says Vaj salivating That was soma dripping from my crown chakra. was it green tinted If it ain't green tinted, it may have been something else.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
The idea of sitting lazily threatens Vaj mightily. For him to do so would mean removing the stick lodged firmly in his root chakra. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: God Vaj, you being the Buddhist should know the sitting lazily metaphor. How you can convert this to calling TM'ers lazy and indulging in a mood making feat is just beyond me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 4:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! Could you share a copy of the checking notes? The lazy epithet is such a perfect one for TMers, it would be a shame to not preserve it in an authentic way.
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You changed your meaning in the first paragraph of your commentary. Are you discussing your judgments about TM or about TM-Sidhi practice? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@...wrote: Rav, I have heard the usual tag-lines for TM~~ TM is the best!! Sitting on your butt in the Domes for hours on end will bring whirled peas!! Laziness is healthy!! Up is down!! Black is white!! and so on~~ for so long with zero evidence to support any of the grandiose claims, that I would hard put to filter out what *isn't* BS at this point. Wouldn't you? Oh, yeah, you don't do TM now or you never have, can't remember which. Anyway, as I've said before, I see no credible evidence that TM is anything more than a simple technique for mild relaxation, period. I no longer believe this is true. And that goes one thousand fold for the TM Sidhis. The TM Sidhis can and do produce very bizarre symptoms in many practicioners. Severe mental illness like bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. I've seen enough of it to no longer view the symptoms as simple unstressing. I have a friend I've disowned. Recently moved to MUM and returned to dome. The phone calls, the SMSs, the emails others and I have gotten. Truly, truly bizarre. I thought that only two people from my CIC continued to practice TM or the sidhis while the rest went from loving couples to messy divorces, turned to drugs, got checked into psycho wards and the like were just the result of unstressing and changes in attitudes brought about by rapid growth. Now I see my assessments over the years were wrong. Dead wrong. TM might be a simple, mild relaxation technique for some. For others, it's very dangerous.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
You must have a typo here. You wrote stick while meaning another term that sounds similar. Your not inferring that he's got an anal fistula are you? I thought he said only tm-ers could get those. And he ain't to tm-er. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: The idea of sitting lazily threatens Vaj mightily. For him to do so would mean removing the stick lodged firmly in his root chakra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 12, 2011, at 1:40 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: Humorous responses indeed especially sharing the posterity part, but you are very harsh on TM Uncle Vaj, very harsh, considering it's all dreaming the dream of thought constructs. I just can't understand why you always have to be such a sarcastic, boorish old fart spoiling the fun of TM lil' ones playing with their toys. It's purely historical Ravi. It can't be in the historical record, if it remains hidden in a box in someone's storage closet. Anyway how's everything been lately, any recent updates on your Vakra Gita that you would like to share? There is no such item, it's just another one of your delude fantasies. Well I had to create this fantasy to counter your delude fantasies on TM, hope you don't take it seriously.
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God Vaj, you being the Buddhist should know the sitting lazily metaphor. How you can convert this to calling TM'ers lazy and indulging in a mood making feat is just beyond me. Vaj: Willytex has kept a photo of some college-aged dome-kid snoozin' in a Lazy Boy for ages How can you tell from a photo if he's snoozing or in samadhi? Is there some kind of double-blind test that would proove a 'samadhi state' correlation with a deep sleep state? Inside the Patanjali Golden Dome July 28, 2003
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Humorous responses indeed especially sharing the posterity part, but you are very harsh on TM Uncle Vaj, very harsh, considering it's all dreaming the dream of thought constructs. I just can't understand why you always have to be such a sarcastic, boorish old fart spoiling the fun of TM lil' ones playing with their toys... Vaj: It can't be in the historical record, if it remains hidden in a box in someone's storage closet. Sort of like a Padmasambhava 'terma' hidden away in a cave by Yeshe Tsogyal outside Paro Taktsang in Bhutan? LoL!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: 2000 people sitting lazily in the domes are out to save the world. Its perfect! How could it not work! Vaj: The only way it would not work is if, somehow, the dogma of effortlessness had spread thru the sangha and became an institutionalized, mood-making drama. Oh, please stop it, Vaj! Perfection (siddhis) is accomplished spontaneously, without any effort, not through mind-control or concious effort. - Sogyal Rinpoche Vaj, this so-called Buddhist, is even unable to understand the simple insights of Sogyal Rinpoche. Vaj is obviously suffering from the mistake of the intellect Like the americans say; go figure !
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Vaj is the Jimmy Swaggart (televangelist caught soliciting prostitutes) of FFL, carrying on an illicit relationship with the TMO, while proclaiming especially to his family how much he despises the TM Organization. For all his Buddhist this and that, his persona here comes across as an arrogant, dissatisfied seeker taking out his continual frustrations on a Maharishi he never met and whose techniques he may have practiced sporadically, if at all. I think at this point he has developed an anger addiction towards the TMO and Maharishi. Definitely no sign of the benign and abiding ideal Buddhist of great knowledge and greater humor that he so desperately wants to be (IF ONLY THOSE F*CKING TMers WOULD GET LOST!). Weird guy. Bingo. But where did I read that if you intensely hate God, God will bestow His grace on the same hateful person ? In Boppard a quite sweet moment was when Maharishi said He accepts anything, positivity or negativity is alright, anything but indifference. By hating Maharishi Vaj certainly sooner or later will receive His Grace. He already is on Maharishi's radar.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: There's Something About Mary.:-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkz-BXEcSXcfeature=related
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Perfection (siddhis) is accomplished spontaneously, without any effort, not through mind-control or conscious effort. - Sogyal Rinpoche nablusoss1008: Vaj is obviously suffering from the mistake of the intellect According to Dzogchen teacher, Sogyal Rinpoche, the author of the 'Tibetan Book of the Living and Dying', it's much more practical to just be aware of the methods and stages of meditation. In the first stage you must realize that meditation is not something that you can 'do', but rather something that you 'let happen'.
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I hear that Sogyal Rinpoche learned Chogyam Trungpa's koan. However it's only for women. Hey, ya wanna go onna date? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: Perfection (siddhis) is accomplished spontaneously, without any effort, not through mind-control or conscious effort. - Sogyal Rinpoche nablusoss1008: Vaj is obviously suffering from the mistake of the intellect According to Dzogchen teacher, Sogyal Rinpoche, the author of the 'Tibetan Book of the Living and Dying', it's much more practical to just be aware of the methods and stages of meditation. In the first stage you must realize that meditation is not something that you can 'do', but rather something that you 'let happen'.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 12, 2011, at 8:38 AM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 12, 2011, at 8:03 AM, seventhray1 wrote: You have to wonder where Vaj spends the majority of his spiritual capital. It's like he's married to his Buddhist (or whatever) tradition, but as soon as he's done his husbandly duties there, he's out the door to see his mistress, the TMO. That's where he gets his thrills. She titillates him. She is so bad, she's good. And he can't stay away. You have a very overactive imagination Ray. Same thing my third grade teacher told me. Is this a positive or a negative? Both probably. Imagine. Even at that young age I was noticed as being able to integrate opposites. And I thought my greatest accomplishment was being the first to climb to the top of the rope in gym class.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@... wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just could be
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@... wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just could be Nice, thanks for posting this ! * * http://www.google.no/imgres?imgurl=http://depesjer.no/var/plain/storage\ /images/media/nyhetsrelatert/personer/yogi_maharishi_mahesh/73761-1-nor-\ NO/yogi_maharishi_mahesh_articleimage.jpgimgrefurl=http://depesjer.no/n\ yheter/meninger/samfunn/frykten_for_det_ukjente__1usg=__aa9OWcuxgn1vmK2\ Q8hzMNjsYm1g=h=200w=280sz=12hl=nostart=1sig2=MwLU0u5DXL7DKEXTMppte\ wzoom=1tbnid=JWWcKBkmFoW37M:tbnh=81tbnw=114ei=rqzKTYeJCsaAswaNzLTNA\ wprev=/search%3Fq%3Dmaharishi%26tbnh%3D137%26tbnw%3D177%26hl%3Dno%26sa%\ 3DX%26rlz%3D1T4ADFA_noNO425%26biw%3D1659%26bih%3D754%26tbs%3Dsimg:CAISEg\ klZZwoGSYWhSEdvUvHQyX-IQ%26tbm%3Dischitbs=1 280 × 200 280 × 200
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun. Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun Shine on you crazy diamond. Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky. Shine on you crazy diamond. You were caught on the crossfire of childhood and stardom, blown on the steel breeze. Come on you target for faraway laughter, come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine! Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon. Shine on you crazy diamond. Threatened by shadows at night, and exposed in the light. Shine on you crazy diamond. Well you wore out your welcome with random precision, rode on the steel breeze. Come on you raver, you seer of visions, come on you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and shine! Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun 1960 2010 -Shine on you crazy diamond. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just could be Nice, thanks for posting this ! * * http://www.google.no/imgres?imgurl=http://depesjer.no/var/plain/storage\ \ /images/media/nyhetsrelatert/personer/yogi_maharishi_mahesh/73761-1-nor-\ \ NO/yogi_maharishi_mahesh_articleimage.jpgimgrefurl=http://depesjer.no/n\ \ yheter/meninger/samfunn/frykten_for_det_ukjente__1usg=__aa9OWcuxgn1vmK2\ \ Q8hzMNjsYm1g=h=200w=280sz=12hl=nostart=1sig2=MwLU0u5DXL7DKEXTMppte\ \ wzoom=1tbnid=JWWcKBkmFoW37M:tbnh=81tbnw=114ei=rqzKTYeJCsaAswaNzLTNA\ \ wprev=/search%3Fq%3Dmaharishi%26tbnh%3D137%26tbnw%3D177%26hl%3Dno%26sa%\ \ 3DX%26rlz%3D1T4ADFA_noNO425%26biw%3D1659%26bih%3D754%26tbs%3Dsimg:CAISEg\ \ klZZwoGSYWhSEdvUvHQyX-IQ%26tbm%3Dischitbs=1 280 × 200 280 × 200
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Interesting lyrics. I had to look this up to discover its a Pink Floyd song. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of merudanda Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:19 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun. Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun Shine on you crazy diamond. Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky. Shine on you crazy diamond. You were caught on the crossfire of childhood and stardom, blown on the steel breeze. Come on you target for faraway laughter, come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine! Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon. Shine on you crazy diamond. Threatened by shadows at night, and exposed in the light. Shine on you crazy diamond. Well you wore out your welcome with random precision, rode on the steel breeze. Come on you raver, you seer of visions, come on you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and shine! Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun 1960 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_LccB5G2ry5Y/TcrO_7Uw63I/A0E/ZT7e zUBxzyk/s576/mmy%20norway%201960.jpg 2010 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_LccB5G2ry5Y/TcrPHbBh78I/A0I/WSNP OIZY-h0/s576/norway%202010.jpg -Shine on you crazy diamond. http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/40.gif -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just could be Nice, thanks for posting this ! * * http://www.google.no/imgres?imgurl=http://depesjer.no/var/plain/storage\ http://www.google.no/imgres?imgurl=http://depesjer.no/var/plain/storage\%0b /images/media/nyhetsrelatert/personer/yogi_maharishi_mahesh/73761-1-nor-\ NO/yogi_maharishi_mahesh_articleimage.jpgimgrefurl=http://depesjer.no/n\ yheter/meninger/samfunn/frykten_for_det_ukjente__1usg=__aa9OWcuxgn1vmK2\ Q8hzMNjsYm1g=h=200w=280sz=12hl=nostart=1sig2=MwLU0u5DXL7DKEXTMppte\ wzoom=1tbnid=JWWcKBkmFoW37M:tbnh=81tbnw=114ei=rqzKTYeJCsaAswaNzLTNA\ wprev=/search%3Fq%3Dmaharishi%26tbnh%3D137%26tbnw%3D177%26hl%3Dno%26sa%\ 3DX%26rlz%3D1T4ADFA_noNO425%26biw%3D1659%26bih%3D754%26tbs%3Dsimg:CAISEg\ klZZwoGSYWhSEdvUvHQyX-IQ%26tbm%3Dischitbs=1
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! You need to sit lazily to get to the place where expectations turn into no-expectations. Works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. In other words, since you are asking a question that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope that that answers your question. And if it doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple of my German friends escort you to the door. It is all good, yes? Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just be And if I just keep droning on and on like this, hopefully nobody will notice (or at least mention) that I sound like a Indian Chatty Cathy that won't shut up. Because you see, when I get a question that doesn't fit into one of the answers I already have prepared, that is all I'm computed to do. Next!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
I'm sure it does. Unfortunately I have this thing called a brain which usually allows me to filter the BS from the useful stuff. YMMV. On May 11, 2011, at 3:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! You need to sit lazily to get to the place where expectations turn into no-expectations. Works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. In other words, since you are asking a question that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope that that answers your question. And if it doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple of my German friends escort you to the door. It is all good, yes? Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just be And if I just keep droning on and on like this, hopefully nobody will notice (or at least mention) that I sound like a Indian Chatty Cathy that won't shut up. Because you see, when I get a question that doesn't fit into one of the answers I already have prepared, that is all I'm computed to do. Next!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
On May 11, 2011, at 4:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! Could you share a copy of the checking notes? The lazy epithet is such a perfect one for TMers, it would be a shame to not preserve it in an authentic way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
So you think the technique sit lazily is BS? What is this useful stuff you refer to? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: I'm sure it does. Unfortunately I have this thing called a brain which usually allows me to filter the BS from the useful stuff. YMMV. On May 11, 2011, at 3:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! You need to sit lazily to get to the place where expectations turn into no-expectations. Works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. In other words, since you are asking a question that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope that that answers your question. And if it doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple of my German friends escort you to the door. It is all good, yes? Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just be And if I just keep droning on and on like this, hopefully nobody will notice (or at least mention) that I sound like a Indian Chatty Cathy that won't shut up. Because you see, when I get a question that doesn't fit into one of the answers I already have prepared, that is all I'm computed to do. Next!
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2000 people sitting lazily in the domes are out to save the world. Its perfect! How could it not work! I proud to be one of the not-very-intellectual-dome-dudes who are doing something radical and against all tenets of Western thought: taking it easy and letting go. Letting go (even of our exalted intellects!) is one of the most rebellious things we can do. And if we can do it lazily, well, all the better! We're a bunch of lazy rebels! The proof however is in the results, which, like I said, it works for me. The alternative to that would be to try hard, take yourself seriously and be really attached to your blow-hard intellect which would only result in becoming a disappointed sarcastic pessimist (which, if you haven't noticed, there seem to be too many of). The Norway 1963 checking notes are in a box in my basement. I will dig them out some day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 4:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! Could you share a copy of the checking notes? The lazy epithet is such a perfect one for TMers, it would be a shame to not preserve it in an authentic way.
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On May 11, 2011, at 8:45 PM, giveabighand wrote: 2000 people sitting lazily in the domes are out to save the world. Its perfect! How could it not work! Good question. The only way it would not work is if, somehow, the dogma of effortlessness had spread thru the sangha and became an institutionalized, mood-making drama.
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On May 11, 2011, at 8:45 PM, giveabighand wrote: The Norway 1963 checking notes are in a box in my basement. I will dig them out some day. Well you should scan away and release them to Wikileaks. Include any detached, relevant historical info as a separate txt file.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
God Vaj, you being the Buddhist should know the sitting lazily metaphor. How you can convert this to calling TM'ers lazy and indulging in a mood making feat is just beyond me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 4:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! Could you share a copy of the checking notes? The lazy epithet is such a perfect one for TMers, it would be a shame to not preserve it in an authentic way.
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I would be really curious to know what BS your brain has been able to filter out here? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: I'm sure it does. Unfortunately I have this thing called a brain which usually allows me to filter the BS from the useful stuff. YMMV. On May 11, 2011, at 3:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! You need to sit lazily to get to the place where expectations turn into no-expectations. Works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. In other words, since you are asking a question that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope that that answers your question. And if it doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple of my German friends escort you to the door. It is all good, yes? Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just be And if I just keep droning on and on like this, hopefully nobody will notice (or at least mention) that I sound like a Indian Chatty Cathy that won't shut up. Because you see, when I get a question that doesn't fit into one of the answers I already have prepared, that is all I'm computed to do. Next!
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The only problem with me is saving the world part. The biggest troublemakers have been people who are trying to save the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, giveabighand no_reply@... wrote: 2000 people sitting lazily in the domes are out to save the world. Its perfect! How could it not work! I proud to be one of the not-very-intellectual-dome-dudes who are doing something radical and against all tenets of Western thought: taking it easy and letting go. Letting go (even of our exalted intellects!) is one of the most rebellious things we can do. And if we can do it lazily, well, all the better! We're a bunch of lazy rebels! The proof however is in the results, which, like I said, it works for me. The alternative to that would be to try hard, take yourself seriously and be really attached to your blow-hard intellect which would only result in becoming a disappointed sarcastic pessimist (which, if you haven't noticed, there seem to be too many of). The Norway 1963 checking notes are in a box in my basement. I will dig them out some day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 4:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! Could you share a copy of the checking notes? The lazy epithet is such a perfect one for TMers, it would be a shame to not preserve it in an authentic way.
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On May 11, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: God Vaj, you being the Buddhist should know the sitting lazily metaphor. How you can convert this to calling TM'ers lazy and indulging in a mood making feat is just beyond me. Have you seen the many photos and the occasional videos of the experts in TM in Vedic City nodding off? How about the Domer sleepers? Willytex has kept a photo of some college-aged dome-kid snoozin' in a Lazy Boy for ages. Where yo' been? I gotta tell ya kiddo, they ain't noddin' off 'coz daze in some samadhi. Daze uh fallin' asleep. Lazy is the perfect word. That's why giveabighand could share much with posterity, if he is willing to simply share. -- giveabighand, come to think of it, you should digitize and then torrent-stream ASAP, at least until you find out if Wikileaks will take your contribution to humanity.
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Rav, I have heard the usual tag-lines for TM~~ TM is the best!! Sitting on your butt in the Domes for hours on end will bring whirled peas!! Laziness is healthy!! Up is down!! Black is white!! and so on~~ for so long with zero evidence to support any of the grandiose claims, that I would hard put to filter out what *isn't* BS at this point. Wouldn't you? Oh, yeah, you don't do TM now or you never have, can't remember which. Anyway, as I've said before, I see no credible evidence that TM is anything more than a simple technique for mild relaxation, period. Any other claims get immediately filtered out by ye olde bullshit-o-meter. Let's not forget, the jokers who push this stuff can't even lower the crime rates at MUM and FF~~amongst meditators. Fraud? Check. Murder? Check. White-collar crime by the boatload~~double check. On May 11, 2011, at 9:06 PM, raviyogi2009 wrote: I would be really curious to know what BS your brain has been able to filter out here? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: I'm sure it does. Unfortunately I have this thing called a brain which usually allows me to filter the BS from the useful stuff. YMMV. On May 11, 2011, at 3:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! You need to sit lazily to get to the place where expectations turn into no-expectations. Works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. In other words, since you are asking a question that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope that that answers your question. And if it doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple of my German friends escort you to the door. It is all good, yes? Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just be And if I just keep droning on and on like this, hopefully nobody will notice (or at least mention) that I sound like a Indian Chatty Cathy that won't shut up. Because you see,
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, giveabighand no_reply@... wrote: The alternative to that would be to try hard, take yourself seriously and be really attached to your blow-hard intellect which would only result in becoming a disappointed sarcastic pessimist but you can call me Vaj for short
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 8:45 PM, giveabighand wrote: The Norway 1963 checking notes are in a box in my basement. I will dig them out some day. Well you should scan away and release them to Wikileaks. Include any detached, relevant historical info as a separate txt file. says Vaj salivating
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http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/3/29058.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: Rav, I have heard the usual tag-lines for TM~~ TM is the best!! Sitting on your butt in the Domes for hours on end will bring whirled peas!! Laziness is healthy!! Up is down!! Black is white!! and so on~~ for so long with zero evidence to support any of the grandiose claims, that I would hard put to filter out what *isn't* BS at this point. Wouldn't you? Oh, yeah, you don't do TM now or you never have, can't remember which. Anyway, as I've said before, I see no credible evidence that TM is anything more than a simple technique for mild relaxation, period. Any other claims get immediately filtered out by ye olde bullshit-o-meter. Let's not forget, the jokers who push this stuff can't even lower the crime rates at MUM and FF~~amongst meditators. Fraud? Check. Murder? Check. White-collar crime by the boatload~~double check. On May 11, 2011, at 9:06 PM, raviyogi2009 wrote: I would be really curious to know what BS your brain has been able to filter out here? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: I'm sure it does. Unfortunately I have this thing called a brain which usually allows me to filter the BS from the useful stuff. YMMV. On May 11, 2011, at 3:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! You need to sit lazily to get to the place where expectations turn into no-expectations. Works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. In other words, since you are asking a question that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope that that answers your question. And if it doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple of my German friends escort you to the door. It is all good, yes? Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: God Vaj, you being the Buddhist should know the sitting lazily metaphor. How you can convert this to calling TM'ers lazy and indulging in a mood making feat is just beyond me. Have you seen the many photos and the occasional videos of the experts in TM in Vedic City nodding off? How about the Domer sleepers? Willytex has kept a photo of some college-aged dome-kid snoozin' in a Lazy Boy for ages. Where yo' been? I gotta tell ya kiddo, they ain't noddin' off 'coz daze in some samadhi. Daze uh fallin' asleep. Lazy is the perfect word. That's why giveabighand could share much with posterity, if he is willing to simply share. -- giveabighand, come to think of it, you should digitize and then torrent-stream ASAP, at least until you find out if Wikileaks will take your contribution to humanity. says Vaj panting heavily now
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: God Vaj, you being the Buddhist should know the sitting lazily metaphor. How you can convert this to calling TM'ers lazy and indulging in a mood making feat is just beyond me. Have you seen the many photos and the occasional videos of the experts in TM in Vedic City nodding off? How about the Domer sleepers? Willytex has kept a photo of some college-aged dome-kid snoozin' in a Lazy Boy for ages. Where yo' been? I gotta tell ya kiddo, they ain't noddin' off 'coz daze in some samadhi. Daze uh fallin' asleep. Lazy is the perfect word. That's why giveabighand could share much with posterity, if he is willing to simply share. -- giveabighand, come to think of it, you should digitize and then torrent-stream ASAP, at least until you find out if Wikileaks will take your contribution to humanity. Says Vaj, now panting heavily.
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Thanks Sal, I know your feelings on TM. However the message seemed good enough, at least the one you responded to. It was only in a later message that giveabighand mentioned something about saving the world. I agree on some parts like saving the world, reducing the crime and so on, but I don't think Laziness is healthy is implied. Sit lazily to quieten the mind is a well known technique and doesn't imply laziness. Even Osho who I admire criticized TM as a sedative, however I don't take him seriously on that one - I believe even a false technique can lead you to great heights as long as the seeker is sincere and earnest. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: Rav, I have heard the usual tag-lines for TM~~ TM is the best!! Sitting on your butt in the Domes for hours on end will bring whirled peas!! Laziness is healthy!! Up is down!! Black is white!! and so on~~ for so long with zero evidence to support any of the grandiose claims, that I would hard put to filter out what *isn't* BS at this point. Wouldn't you? Oh, yeah, you don't do TM now or you never have, can't remember which. Anyway, as I've said before, I see no credible evidence that TM is anything more than a simple technique for mild relaxation, period. Any other claims get immediately filtered out by ye olde bullshit-o-meter. Let's not forget, the jokers who push this stuff can't even lower the crime rates at MUM and FF~~amongst meditators. Fraud? Check. Murder? Check. White-collar crime by the boatload~~double check. On May 11, 2011, at 9:06 PM, raviyogi2009 wrote: I would be really curious to know what BS your brain has been able to filter out here? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: I'm sure it does. Unfortunately I have this thing called a brain which usually allows me to filter the BS from the useful stuff. YMMV. On May 11, 2011, at 3:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! You need to sit lazily to get to the place where expectations turn into no-expectations. Works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. In other words, since you are asking a question that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope that that answers your question. And if it doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple of my German friends escort you to the door. It is all good, yes? Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: God Vaj, you being the Buddhist should know the sitting lazily metaphor. How you can convert this to calling TM'ers lazy and indulging in a mood making feat is just beyond me. Have you seen the many photos and the occasional videos of the experts in TM in Vedic City nodding off? How about the Domer sleepers? Willytex has kept a photo of some college-aged dome-kid snoozin' in a Lazy Boy for ages. Where yo' been? I gotta tell ya kiddo, they ain't noddin' off 'coz daze in some samadhi. Daze uh fallin' asleep. Lazy is the perfect word. That's why giveabighand could share much with posterity, if he is willing to simply share. -- giveabighand, come to think of it, you should digitize and then torrent-stream ASAP, at least until you find out if Wikileaks will take your contribution to humanity. Humorous responses indeed especially sharing the posterity part, but you are very harsh on TM Uncle Vaj, very harsh, considering it's all dreaming the dream of thought constructs. I just can't understand why you always have to be such a sarcastic, boorish old fart spoiling the fun of TM lil' ones playing with their toys. Anyway how's everything been lately, any recent updates on your Vakra Gita that you would like to share?
