[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi speaks on Karma (1962)
--- Boy that font is familiar sez the female who is still waiting for husband to come home from work it is my fault somehow i must be not doing my part somehow In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From an audio (No 8) recorded in Hochgurgel in 1962 (Thanks to Jörg Schenk) Maharishi speaks about Karma Some selected points: Maharishi: Who is the doer (of the Karma)? The doer is the ego, the mind. Although the senses perform the action, but the senses are not the doer. The doer is the thinker within. So the thinker, as long as it is associated with the body, it is associated with the body. But the doer is that thinker, that subtle body, that Jiva. If he casts away this body, goes to the other body, he will be caught by that action in the other body. Body doesn't matter. What matters is the doer and what he has done As I was saying, the vibrations (of the Karma) return from the wall, from the sun, from millions of miles. There are galaxies in the world from where the light takes millions of years to reach the earth. When the vibrations reach so far and strike against that and then will be rebound and come back, millions of years have passed already. So the effect of the Karma done now is not received all at once. It keeps on being received from time to time, for (?) all eternity. The effect in the vicinity of the doer is maximum, but the effect is created throughout the universe, whatever little effect at far distances, but it is created and all this effect has to come back Every second that we are producing some Karma, we are storing the fruit of that Karma to be born for millions of years Thoughts are the seed of Karma, very powerful seed. The seed in its seed status is very potent. If you have thoughts of injuring a man, you have injured the whole creation, already injured in the subtle state Future after death depends on what a man has done throughout life. But the next goal, where he will be born, mainly depends on the desire at the time of death, the desire at the time of death Question: Is there a difference of a bad Karma done intentionally or unintentionally? Maharishi: Intentionally, because his attention was there, then the effect will be more intensive. But the effect will be on the same line Question: If I have a bad son and have to beat him, is this bad Karma? Maharishi: It is the Karma of the son that brings him beating and it is the Karma of the father that makes him sorry If I do some sin and in this room there is no one, I think nobody has seen it. But it has been exposed to the whole universe. Everyone in the universe knows it. And somehow that will be delivered to us back by all the agencies in the universe, knowing or unknowing. You can't stop the evolution. If you commit sin in the room, then you are creating sinful vibrations. And sinful vibrations means, wherever they go they damage the evolution of that thing. Someone speaks ill of the other and plans damaging him, very underknees plan, nothing on the surface, damaging the entire creation by his mischief. Because the agency of thought is just vibration. That is why scriptures forbid us speaking ill of others, or damaging someone or doing harm, because apparently we seem to be harming him but eventually we have to be harmed by our own doing of the harm to someone else. To save the doer the teaching is Don't do any bad thing to anyone. Don't commit sin, go for virtue, help thy neighbour, so that thy maybe helped. In India we have the proverb that if someone speaks ill of the other he partakes his sin If you call someone a fool, then the vibrations of foolery have been spread in the whole creation and that foolery will return back to you, from all sides. Because man has that highly evolved nervous system. This great responsibility is on to man and not to animals. The responsibility of good and bad deeds, sin and virtue, this is for man and not for animals. Because man is in that position to understand how the Karma acts, how his action influences the whole creation and then he is influenced back by the same Try to do all good that you can, all your energy in doing good, but don't put your energy in criticizing the bad of someone. It is a waste of energy. Because, now when you are meditating, you are bringing that stable state of bliss consciousness in your mind. That is sublimenting the state of the mind. At this state, if you keep on bringing bad things talking ill of others and thinking of sin done by others then you are neutralizing the power that you are gaining from the absolute Nothing is more elevating than bringing the mind to the absolute being and nothing is more damaging than talking something bad or reflecting something sinful. Nothing is more damaging than this. Getting to the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi speaks on Karma (1962)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: That to which one gives one's attention grows stronger in one's life, therefore, speaking ill of someone makes the influence of evil stronger in one's life, which retards evolution. For evidence of this, one need look no further than Yahoo Message View. Everything one ever needed to know about any poster's consciousness and where their attention is fixated is there, creating a kind of snapshot of their level of evolution. I've found it useful to read FFL these days only from Message View, and click only on the posts that -- based on their first few words -- do *not* seem to be either slams against someone or an attempt to start/ prolong an argument. I am giving attention only to that which seems to deserve it. Does this mean that I'm still On The Program Maharishi-wise after all? How embarrassing. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi speaks on Karma (1962)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anatol_zinc anatol_zinc@ wrote: excellent talk by Maharishi given in 1962, but here is my comment 2009: it is hard to follow Maharishi's advice( last few paragraphs ) during these extremely difficult times ; and it seems it was hard for Maharishi to follow his own advice; this was given in 1962, so for a few decades, he did really well focusing only on positivity, it seemed to me, but then he started to call President Bush a rakshasa( a demon ); so these are truly difficult times for everyone but the advice Maharishi gave is still excellent and wise to try ones best That to which one gives one's attention grows stronger in one's life, therefore, speaking ill of someone makes the influence of evil stronger in one's life, which retards evolution. Maharishi's advice about speaking well of others (found throughout the Vedic literature: http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=10806621169topic=7189 )is only an aid to the ignorant -- for an ignorant person, it's dangerous to spiritual growth to speak ill of others, because it necessitates bringing in that impurity from others and situating it in one's brain, in order to speak ill of others. But for MMY and other enlightened people, there is no danger of their minds becoming contaminated, since they are stationed in total awareness that cannot be contaminated or overcome by anything, so there is no need to avoid speaking ill of others because of a concern about impeding spiritual growth for themselves. What enlightened people say is just the voice of nature responding to the needs of the time -- the earth is terribly burdened now by wrongdoing, and MMY's harsh criticism is just the cry of nature to stop mucking things up. Very nice, thanks for posting this ! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From an audio (No 8) recorded in Hochgurgel in 1962 (Thanks to Jörg Schenk) Maharishi speaks about Karma Some selected points: Maharishi: Who is the doer (of the Karma)? The doer is the ego, the mind. Although the senses perform the action, but the senses are not the doer. The doer is the thinker within. So the thinker, as long as it is associated with the body, it is associated with the body. But the doer is that thinker, that subtle body, that Jiva. If he casts away this body, goes to the other body, he will be caught by that action in the other body. Body doesn't matter. What matters is the doer and what he has done As I was saying, the vibrations (of the Karma) return from the wall, from the sun, from millions of miles. There are galaxies in the world from where the light takes millions of years to reach the earth. When the vibrations reach so far and strike against that and then will be rebound and come back, millions of years have passed already. So the effect of the Karma done now is not received all at once. It keeps on being received from time to time, for (?) all eternity. The effect in the vicinity of the doer is maximum, but the effect is created throughout the universe, whatever little effect at far distances, but it is created and all this effect has to come back Every second that we are producing some Karma, we are storing the fruit of that Karma to be born for millions of years Thoughts are the seed of Karma, very powerful seed. The seed in its seed status is very potent. If you have thoughts of injuring a man, you have injured the whole creation, already injured in the subtle state Future after death depends on what a man has done throughout life. But the next goal, where he will be born, mainly depends on the desire at the time of death, the desire at the time of death Question: Is there a difference of a bad Karma done intentionally or unintentionally? Maharishi: Intentionally, because his attention was there, then the effect will be more intensive. But the effect will be on the same line Question: If I have a bad son and have to beat him, is this bad Karma? Maharishi: It is the Karma of the son that brings him beating and it is the Karma of the father that makes him sorry If I do some sin and in this room there is no one, I think nobody has seen it. But it has been exposed to the whole universe. Everyone in the universe knows it. And somehow that will be delivered to us back by all the agencies in the universe, knowing or unknowing. You can't stop the evolution. If you commit sin in the room, then you are creating sinful vibrations. And sinful vibrations means, wherever they go they damage the evolution of that thing. Someone speaks ill of the other and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi speaks on Karma (1962)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: That to which one gives one's attention grows stronger in one's life, therefore, speaking ill of someone makes the influence of evil stronger in one's life, which retards evolution. For evidence of this, one need look no further than Yahoo Message View. Yahoo Message View is obviously growing stronger and stronger in Barry's life, since he reminds us at least once a day about how he's giving his attention to it. Everything one ever needed to know about any poster's consciousness and where their attention is fixated is there, creating a kind of snapshot of their level of evolution. I've found it useful to read FFL these days only from Message View, and click only on the posts that -- based on their first few words -- do *not* seem to be either slams against someone or an attempt to start/ prolong an argument. I am giving attention only to that which seems to deserve it. And repeatedly slamming those who don't live up to what he perceives to be his level of evolution as undeserving. Utterly oblivious. Master of Inadvertent Irony.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi speaks on Karma (1962)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anatol_zinc anatol_z...@... wrote: excellent talk by Maharishi given in 1962, but here is my comment 2009: it is hard to follow Maharishi's advice( last few paragraphs ) during these extremely difficult times ; and it seems it was hard for Maharishi to follow his own advice; this was given in 1962, so for a few decades, he did really well focusing only on positivity, it seemed to me, but then he started to call President Bush a rakshasa( a demon ); so these are truly difficult times for everyone but the advice Maharishi gave is still excellent and wise to try ones best That to which one gives one's attention grows stronger in one's life, therefore, speaking ill of someone makes the influence of evil stronger in one's life, which retards evolution. Maharishi's advice about speaking well of others (found throughout the Vedic literature: http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=10806621169topic=7189 )is only an aid to the ignorant -- for an ignorant person, it's dangerous to spiritual growth to speak ill of others, because it necessitates bringing in that impurity from others and situating it in one's brain, in order to speak ill of others. But for MMY and other enlightened people, there is no danger of their minds becoming contaminated, since they are stationed in total awareness that cannot be contaminated or overcome by anything, so there is no need to avoid speaking ill of others because of a concern about impeding spiritual growth for themselves. What enlightened people say is just the voice of nature responding to the needs of the time -- the earth is terribly burdened now by wrongdoing, and MMY's harsh criticism is just the cry of nature to stop mucking things up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From an audio (No 8) recorded in Hochgurgel in 1962 (Thanks to Jörg Schenk) Maharishi speaks about Karma Some selected points: Maharishi: Who is the doer (of the Karma)? The doer is the ego, the mind. Although the senses perform the action, but the senses are not the doer. The doer is the thinker within. So the thinker, as long as it is associated with the body, it is associated with the body. But the doer is that thinker, that subtle body, that Jiva. If he casts away this body, goes to the other body, he will be caught by that action in the other body. Body doesn't matter. What matters is the doer and what he has done As I was saying, the vibrations (of the Karma) return from the wall, from the sun, from millions of miles. There are galaxies in the world from where the light takes millions of years to reach the earth. When the vibrations reach so far and strike against that and then will be rebound and come back, millions of years have passed already. So the effect of the Karma done now is not received all at once. It keeps on being received from time to time, for (?) all eternity. The effect in the vicinity of the doer is maximum, but the effect is created throughout the universe, whatever little effect at far distances, but it is created and all this effect has to come back Every second that we are producing some Karma, we are storing the fruit of that Karma to be born for millions of years Thoughts are the seed of Karma, very powerful seed. The seed in its seed status is very potent. If you have thoughts of injuring a man, you have injured the whole creation, already injured in the subtle state Future after death depends on what a man has done throughout life. But the next goal, where he will be born, mainly depends on the desire at the time of death, the desire at the time of death Question: Is there a difference of a bad Karma done intentionally or unintentionally? Maharishi: Intentionally, because his attention was there, then the effect will be more intensive. But the effect will be on the same line Question: If I have a bad son and have to beat him, is this bad Karma? Maharishi: It is the Karma of the son that brings him beating and it is the Karma of the father that makes him sorry If I do some sin and in this room there is no one, I think nobody has seen it. But it has been exposed to the whole universe. Everyone in the universe knows it. And somehow that will be delivered to us back by all the agencies in the universe, knowing or unknowing. You can't stop the evolution. If you commit sin in the room, then you are creating sinful vibrations. And sinful vibrations means, wherever they go they damage the evolution of that thing. Someone speaks ill of the other and plans damaging him, very underknees plan, nothing on the surface, damaging the entire creation by his mischief. Because the agency of thought is just vibration. That is why scriptures forbid us speaking ill of others, or
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi speaks on Karma (1962)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Wonderful. Thanks for posting this Rick; I will never again call you a fool thus partaking in your karma :-) There is no irony in my words; Maharishi's talk was a great reminder. Again; thank you for posting this. From an audio (No 8) recorded in Hochgurgel in 1962 (Thanks to Jörg Schenk) Maharishi speaks about Karma Some selected points: Maharishi: Who is the doer (of the Karma)? The doer is the ego, the mind. Although the senses perform the action, but the senses are not the doer. The doer is the thinker within. So the thinker, as long as it is associated with the body, it is associated with the body. But the doer is that thinker, that subtle body, that Jiva. If he casts away this body, goes to the other body, he will be caught by that action in the other body. Body doesn't matter. What matters is the doer and what he has done As I was saying, the vibrations (of the Karma) return from the wall, from the sun, from millions of miles. There are galaxies in the world from where the light takes millions of years to reach the earth. When the vibrations reach so far and strike against that and then will be rebound and come back, millions of years have passed already. So the effect of the Karma done now is not received all at once. It keeps on being received from time to time, for (?) all eternity. The effect in the vicinity of the doer is maximum, but the effect is created throughout the universe, whatever little effect at far distances, but it is created and all this effect has to come back Every second that we are producing some Karma, we are storing the fruit of that Karma to be born for millions of years Thoughts are the seed of Karma, very powerful seed. The seed in its seed status is very potent. If you have thoughts of injuring a man, you have injured the whole creation, already injured in the subtle state Future after death depends on what a man has done throughout life. But the next goal, where he will be born, mainly depends on the desire at the time of death, the desire at the time of death Question: Is there a difference of a bad Karma done intentionally or unintentionally? Maharishi: Intentionally, because his attention was there, then the effect will be more intensive. But the effect will be on the same line Question: If I have a bad son and have to beat him, is this bad Karma? Maharishi: It is the Karma of the son that brings him beating and it is the Karma of the father that makes him sorry If I do some sin and in this room there is no one, I think nobody has seen it. But it has been exposed to the whole universe. Everyone in the universe knows it. And somehow that will be delivered to us back by all the agencies in the universe, knowing or unknowing. You can't stop the evolution. If you commit sin in the room, then you are creating sinful vibrations. And sinful vibrations means, wherever they go they damage the evolution of that thing. Someone speaks ill of the other and plans damaging him, very underknees plan, nothing on the surface, damaging the entire creation by his mischief. Because the agency of thought is just vibration. That is why scriptures forbid us speaking ill of others, or damaging someone or doing harm, because apparently we seem to be harming him but eventually we have to be harmed by our own doing of the harm to someone else. To save the doer the teaching is Don't do any bad thing to anyone. Don't commit sin, go for virtue, help thy neighbour, so that thy maybe helped. In India we have the proverb that if someone speaks ill of the other he partakes his sin If you call someone a fool, then the vibrations of foolery have been spread in the whole creation and that foolery will return back to you, from all sides. Because man has that highly evolved nervous system. This great responsibility is on to man and not to animals. The responsibility of good and bad deeds, sin and virtue, this is for man and not for animals. Because man is in that position to understand how the Karma acts, how his action influences the whole creation and then he is influenced back by the same Try to do all good that you can, all your energy in doing good, but don't put your energy in criticizing the bad of someone. It is a waste of energy. Because, now when you are meditating, you are bringing that stable state of bliss consciousness in your mind. That is sublimenting the state of the mind. At this state, if you keep on bringing bad things talking ill of others and thinking of sin done by others then you are neutralizing the power that you are gaining from the absolute Nothing is more elevating than bringing the mind to the absolute being and nothing is more damaging than talking something bad or reflecting something sinful. Nothing is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi speaks on Karma (1962)
excellent talk by Maharishi given in 1962, but here is my comment 2009: it is hard to follow Maharishi's advice( last few paragraphs ) during these extremely difficult times ; and it seems it was hard for Maharishi to follow his own advice; this was given in 1962, so for a few decades, he did really well focusing only on positivity, it seemed to me, but then he started to call President Bush a rakshasa( a demon ); so these are truly difficult times for everyone but the advice Maharishi gave is still excellent and wise to try ones best --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From an audio (No 8) recorded in Hochgurgel in 1962 (Thanks to Jörg Schenk) Maharishi speaks about Karma Some selected points: Maharishi: Who is the doer (of the Karma)? The doer is the ego, the mind. Although the senses perform the action, but the senses are not the doer. The doer is the thinker within. So the thinker, as long as it is associated with the body, it is associated with the body. But the doer is that thinker, that subtle body, that Jiva. If he casts away this body, goes to the other body, he will be caught by that action in the other body. Body doesn't matter. What matters is the doer and what he has done As I was saying, the vibrations (of the Karma) return from the wall, from the sun, from millions of miles. There are galaxies in the world from where the light takes millions of years to reach the earth. When the vibrations reach so far and strike against that and then will be rebound and come back, millions of years have passed already. So the effect of the Karma done now is not received all at once. It keeps on being received from time to time, for (?) all eternity. The effect in the vicinity of the doer is maximum, but the effect is created throughout the universe, whatever little effect at far distances, but it is created and all this effect has to come back Every second that we are producing some Karma, we are storing the fruit of that Karma to be born for millions of years Thoughts are the seed of Karma, very powerful seed. The seed in its seed status is very potent. If you have thoughts of injuring a man, you have injured the whole creation, already injured in the subtle state Future after death depends on what a man has done throughout life. But the next goal, where he will be born, mainly depends on the desire at the time of death, the desire at the time of death Question: Is there a difference of a bad Karma done intentionally or unintentionally? Maharishi: Intentionally, because his attention was there, then the effect will be more intensive. But the effect will be on the same line Question: If I have a bad son and have to beat him, is this bad Karma? Maharishi: It is the Karma of the son that brings him beating and it is the Karma of the father that makes him sorry If I do some sin and in this room there is no one, I think nobody has seen it. But it has been exposed to the whole universe. Everyone in the universe knows it. And somehow that will be delivered to us back by all the agencies in the universe, knowing or unknowing. You can't stop the evolution. If you commit sin in the room, then you are creating sinful vibrations. And sinful vibrations means, wherever they go they damage the evolution of that thing. Someone speaks ill of the other and plans damaging him, very underknees plan, nothing on the surface, damaging the entire creation by his mischief. Because the agency of thought is just vibration. That is why scriptures forbid us speaking ill of others, or damaging someone or doing harm, because apparently we seem to be harming him but eventually we have to be harmed by our own doing of the harm to someone else. To save the doer the teaching is Don't do any bad thing to anyone. Don't commit sin, go for virtue, help thy neighbour, so that thy maybe helped. In India we have the proverb that if someone speaks ill of the other he partakes his sin If you call someone a fool, then the vibrations of foolery have been spread in the whole creation and that foolery will return back to you, from all sides. Because man has that highly evolved nervous system. This great responsibility is on to man and not to animals. The responsibility of good and bad deeds, sin and virtue, this is for man and not for animals. Because man is in that position to understand how the Karma acts, how his action influences the whole creation and then he is influenced back by the same Try to do all good that you can, all your energy in doing good, but don't put your energy in criticizing the bad of someone. It is a waste of energy. Because, now when you are meditating, you are bringing that stable state of bliss consciousness in your mind. That is sublimenting the state of the mind. At this state, if you keep on bringing bad things talking ill of others and
