[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantra Meditation - for Buck
Yifu: Mahatma Faqiranand...gave me the Knowledge in 1970... So, you got the Knowledge from Mahatma Fakiranand in Los Angeles. Apparently Fakiranand got into some big trouble later. I told him to be careful, but I guess he didn't understand what I was talking about. Go figure. Let's try to figure out why Turq and Vaj make these claims, but fib about MMY, who never claimed he could levitate. curtisdeltablues: Was he the guru who claimed that for thousands of dollars he could teach anyonehow to fly, Nope, that was Zen Master Rama, who hovered in the air, the guru of Turq. or was he the guy who could make dust appear from his finger tipsafter he wiped his hands on a cloth containing dust? Nope, that was Chogyam Trungpa, who made holy ash appear on the end of his Marlboro Light, the guru of Vaj. No I've got it, he was the guy who was the child guru Maharaj-ji the God-boy-savior of the world! He was never crazy enough to claim that he could teach other people to fly for thousands of dollars, but he was out there. Yep, that was Guru Mahraj-ji, who told people he could teach them to fly for thousands of dollars, the guru of nobody here. I mean really, go figure. That's what I figure - that MMY never claimed to be able to levitate. Really.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantra Meditation - for Buck
It almost finally feels like Summer here, a nice change this year. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: One of the hottest days - it's still 82 out there in San Ramon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hey, its summer time! It was almost 80 in SF today. Might as well leave Vaj lost in his story, and enjoy the weather instead. All this turiya, - enjoyable word - and absolute value, and pure consciousness feels different to each of us, weaving together a group definition of *something* that underlies waking/dreaming/sleep states. Naturally everyone's definition is going to be different, and yet there is a thread of consistency that runs through all of the descriptions of that which supports all. And they have lasted awhile. To argue, as Vaj does, that one eternal experience of That is somehow false, or superior, is nonsensical. Not to say we don't all have our opinions and thoughts and experiences and reflections about turiya. However, how is it possible from any perspective to rule something out unequivocally, when looking at the infinite combinations and flavors of the experience of turiya? Fundamentalist thought is always an easy way out. In any direction. I used to do it a lot, as a way to limit my options and make whatever I was facing comprehensible and manageable. It was just like a large grey wardrobe that I would lug along with me to every thought and action, consulting the volumes within ever so carefully so that I could get the story exactly right. The ego loves to micro-mange everything, which is just fine, as long as it knows its place, subservient to the vast silent cosmos from which it emerges. Once that is seen clearly, everyone gets along fine. Otherwise it is back to the scripts and stories, and who can bear to go back to them anyway? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:56 PM, sparaig wrote: Are you aware that the oldest of the Upanishads that mentions turiya explicitly says it isn't just another state, but rather that which gives rise to the other states? It's been a while since I've read Upanishadic literature, but yes that does sound like a typical translation one might hear. Says Vaj, who hasn't a clue, hoping folks will think he's suggesting the typical translation isn't accurate.
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Zen Master Rama used to levitate in front of large groups of people, according to TurquoiseB. Denise Evans: And Jesus walked on water. According to the Bible, Simon Magus flew up into the air in a demonstration of magic, but Saint Paul had him fall back doan into a ditch, and Simon hurt his self real bad. Turq made the claim that his guru, Zen Master Rama, used to rise up and hover in front of a crowd. Vaj apparently believes in the Buddhist scriptures, which claim that the Buddha once rose up and hovered over Sravasti. Lots of Tibetan yogis have claimed that their guru could perform levitation, such as Guru Padmasambhava. Let's try to figure out why Turq and Vaj make these claims, but fib about MMY, who never claimed he could levitate. Go figure. For some reason the concept of Maharishi ever being either wild or free seems less likely than him ever flying...
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I nominate this as post of the week! Ravi Yogi: Barry, I have told you many times. Stick to your strengths, if you engage in a discussion on spiritual terms with Judy and Lawson you will always be a loser. Your strength is being a low vibe slime ball bitch (Bhakta). I do love your whorehouse raps, that is in line with being a wannabe tantrika. The trick is then to explore the dark energies, work on the guilt, shame and pain to channel it to pure creative energy. Only when you do become the master of these energies like me can you the really interact with others here. Then like me you will not feel like bullying the likes of Buck but rather other low vibe slime ballers.
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Vaj: If it turns out that a concrete layer is NOT at the bottom, that might be interesting. OTOH, if you are attempting to make sure that the house is in good repair, the most important thing to do is make sure the foundation is solid... Not all houses have concrete foundations; some might just have front steps that are solid. Many houses are built on pier and beam, or have dirt floors. Some houses are built of wood or daub and wattle. The most important thing to do is make sure the house is level. In your case, I'm almost sure your dwelling is a house of cards, with many cracks in it - and without a solid foundation. Apparently you've still got a lot of learning and practice to do! You can't even hold a vow to keep the teaching pure, like you promised your Guru Dev. Go figure.
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-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Let's try to figure out why Turq and Vaj make these claims, but fib about MMY, who never claimed he could levitate. Go figure. What he the guru who claimed that for thousands of dollars he could teach anyone how to fly, or was he the guy who could make dust appear from his finger tips after he wiped his hands on a cloth containing dust? No I've got it, he was the guy who was the child guru Maharaj-ji the God-boy savior of the world! He was never crazy enough to claim that he could teach other people to fly for thousands of dollars but he was out there. Zen Master Rama used to levitate in front of large groups of people, according to TurquoiseB. Denise Evans: And Jesus walked on water. According to the Bible, Simon Magus flew up into the air in a demonstration of magic, but Saint Paul had him fall back doan into a ditch, and Simon hurt his self real bad. Turq made the claim that his guru, Zen Master Rama, used to rise up and hover in front of a crowd. Vaj apparently believes in the Buddhist scriptures, which claim that the Buddha once rose up and hovered over Sravasti. Lots of Tibetan yogis have claimed that their guru could perform levitation, such as Guru Padmasambhava. Let's try to figure out why Turq and Vaj make these claims, but fib about MMY, who never claimed he could levitate. Go figure. For some reason the concept of Maharishi ever being either wild or free seems less likely than him ever flying...
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Let's try to figure out why Turq and Vaj make these claims, but fib about MMY, who never claimed he could levitate. Go figure. Was he the guru who claimed that for thousands of dollars he could teach anyonehow to fly, or was he the guy who could make dust appear from his finger tipsafter he wiped his hands on a cloth containing dust? No I've got it, he was the guy who was the child guru Maharaj-ji the God-boy-savior of the world! He was never crazy enough to claim that he could teach other people to fly for thousands of dollars, but he was out there. I mean really, go figure. Zen Master Rama used to levitate in front of large groups of people, according to TurquoiseB. Denise Evans: And Jesus walked on water. According to the Bible, Simon Magus flew up into the air in a demonstration of magic, but Saint Paul had him fall back doan into a ditch, and Simon hurt his self real bad. Turq made the claim that his guru, Zen Master Rama, used to rise up and hover in front of a crowd. Vaj apparently believes in the Buddhist scriptures, which claim that the Buddha once rose up and hovered over Sravasti. Lots of Tibetan yogis have claimed that their guru could perform levitation, such as Guru Padmasambhava. Let's try to figure out why Turq and Vaj make these claims, but fib about MMY, who never claimed he could levitate. Go figure. For some reason the concept of Maharishi ever being either wild or free seems less likely than him ever flying...
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Let's try to figure out why Turq and Vaj make these claims, but fib about MMY, who never claimed he could levitate. curtisdeltablues: Was he the guru who claimed that for thousands of dollars he could teach anyonehow to fly, Nope, that was Zen Master Rama, who hovered in the air, the guru of Turq. or was he the guy who could make dust appear from his finger tipsafter he wiped his hands on a cloth containing dust? Nope, that was Chogyam Trungpa, who made holy ash appear on the end of his Marlboro Light, the guru of Vaj. No I've got it, he was the guy who was the child guru Maharaj-ji the God-boy-savior of the world! He was never crazy enough to claim that he could teach other people to fly for thousands of dollars, but he was out there. Yep, that was Guru Mahraj-ji, who told people he could teach them to fly for thousands of dollars, the guru of nobody here. I mean really, go figure. That's what I figure - that MMY never claimed to be able to levitate. Really.
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Guru Mahara-ji, right..he (through his initiator Mahatma Faqiranand) gave me the Knowledge in 1970; but I didn't regard him as a Guru. In any event, that was some Powerful Shakti! http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/big17.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Let's try to figure out why Turq and Vaj make these claims, but fib about MMY, who never claimed he could levitate. curtisdeltablues: Was he the guru who claimed that for thousands of dollars he could teach anyonehow to fly, Nope, that was Zen Master Rama, who hovered in the air, the guru of Turq. or was he the guy who could make dust appear from his finger tipsafter he wiped his hands on a cloth containing dust? Nope, that was Chogyam Trungpa, who made holy ash appear on the end of his Marlboro Light, the guru of Vaj. No I've got it, he was the guy who was the child guru Maharaj-ji the God-boy-savior of the world! He was never crazy enough to claim that he could teach other people to fly for thousands of dollars, but he was out there. Yep, that was Guru Mahraj-ji, who told people he could teach them to fly for thousands of dollars, the guru of nobody here. I mean really, go figure. That's what I figure - that MMY never claimed to be able to levitate. Really.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantra Meditation - for Buck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOvZrA_sMuA Maharishi Mahesh Yogi answers: What do you meditate about? Harvard Law School Forum (1970). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: There is an awareness that becomes established, and then, contemplation of awareness itself, and it's infinite value, becomes the meditation...mantra and sutra become more or less redundant... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dear Empty, that's a substantial difference. I wish now I would have known the difference years ago. One of the lady saints coming through some years ago pointed that out too. The difference was like the light came on. Thanks for the clarification between TM process and also may be sitting with the silence. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Besides the difference in mantra-s, there is a difference in how the two meditations are done. In Sahaj practice, the understanding is that the mantra doesn't go anywhere so we don't actually lose the mantra. Because we were introduced to the mantra at initiation, it is naturally recognized and recollected when we sit down to meditate. However, if during meditation our attention has been absorbed in thoughts for a while without realizing it, then we just return to the mantra by recognizing it again. If we find our attention aware of thoughts occurring within the mind, that in itself, does not constitute a reason or a need to reintroduce the mantra. Just to rest in silent awareness, although there is no activity or object reference, is in itself meditation because awareness is fundamental while the mind is not. Or as SSRS has said, although you cannot know awareness, because it is not an object, you don't need to do so because you are that very awareness itself prior to mind and to the mind's experiences, whether objective or subjective. .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: The Power of Mantra Contrary to public misinformation, techniques like Transcendental Meditation or Sahaj Samadhi are not based on repetition. They utilize a much subtler science. Om, so are Transcendental Meditation and Sahaj Samadhi effectively the same? The similar practice? Just wondering. Anyone learned both? Anyone here taught both? -B vibrations of consciousness. Mantra carries the mind to the silence that was there before God said, Let there be light. In Sanskrit, mantra means vehicle for the mind: manas - mind, tra - vehicle. Tra is the root of our English suffix, tron. Electrons carry electricity. Positrons carry positivity. Mantras carry mind to its source.
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TurIya is not a fourth state but rather the unconditioned consciousness the Witness State which is a kind substratum for all three states? Is it not the one without a second, with no thing to know it and no other for it to know?It is not in fact not apart from anything, for it forms the substratum of all happenings;fleeting phenomena on it and then sink into it alone, it is your very Being? As far as is it known, turyatita-occurs when the Witness itself dissolves into everything that is witnessed -is not referred to in the major Upanishads. However, some of the minor Upanishads ssems to refer to five states.so? Hyakujo's Koan Ma-tsu asked, What is that? ai-chang said, Wild ducks. Ma-tsu said, Where have they gone? Pai-chang replied, They have flown away. Ma-tsu then twisted Pai-chang's nose, of from which Pai-chang cried out in pain. Ma-tsu said, When have they ever flown away, they have been here since the beginning. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 2:43 PM, sparaig wrote: Ouch, though I note that you didn't address my point. Lawson (the great and powerful) Lawson, only TB TMers really believe that researchers have actually identified Pure Consciousness - because they've found no fourth, just the same ole, same old. So it's probably not worth responding to, as it's obviously a belief you're rather attached to! Certainly it is a belief I am attached to. As to whether or not it is a validatable belief, few people who are not True Believers of one stripe or another have ever examined the evidence, so it is not exactly unexpected that TMing TBs believe it while the TBs in other traditions reject it. L.
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How about, All these 'definitions' are just pathetic attempts at describing a continuum of consciousness that can never be described, and The only people who believe that the descriptions given to them are 'true' are spiritual kindergarteners who have never really experienced the states being described. That said, this pathetic attempt is less pathetic than some of Maharishi's pathetic attempts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: TurIya is not a fourth state but rather the unconditioned consciousness the Witness State which is a kind substratum for all three states? Is it not the one without a second, with no thing to know it and no other for it to know? It is not in fact not apart from anything, for it forms the substratum of all happenings; fleeting phenomena on it and then sink into it alone, it is your very Being? As far as is it known, turyatita-occurs when the Witness itself dissolves into everything that is witnessed -is not referred to in the major Upanishads. However, some of the minor Upanishads ssems to refer to five states.so? Hyakujo's Koan
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Hi Anointed one ! pathetic? have no problem with that as well as aesthetic, ascetic, athletic, balletic, bathetic, cometic, cosmetic, eidetic, emetic, frenetic, gametic, genetic, hermetic, limnetic, magnetic, mimetic, noetic, Ossetic, paretic, phenetic, phonetic, phyletic, poetic, prophetic, prosthetic, pyretic, splenetic, syncretic, syndetic, synthetic, tonetic, Venetic.. just an idea How about changing the Koan question to Ma-tsuasked, What is that? Pai-chang said, A wild and free flying M/Mahesh /Y. BTW if you check up the word pathetic at WiKipedia you'll get Sacrament (album) and Lamb of God. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathetic lol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: How about, All these 'definitions' are just pathetic attempts at describing a continuum of consciousness that can never be described, and The only people who believe that the descriptions given to them are 'true' are spiritual kindergarteners who have never really experienced the states being described. That said, this pathetic attempt is less pathetic than some of Maharishi's pathetic attempts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: TurIya is not a fourth state but rather the unconditioned consciousness the Witness State which is a kind substratum for all three states? Is it not the one without a second, with no thing to know it and no other for it to know? It is not in fact not apart from anything, for it forms the substratum of all happenings; fleeting phenomena on it and then sink into it alone, it is your very Being? As far as is it known, turyatita-occurs when the Witness itself dissolves into everything that is witnessed -is not referred to in the major Upanishads. However, some of the minor Upanishads ssems to refer to five states.so? Hyakujo's Koan
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: Hi Anointed one ! Thou annointest my ego with oil. My cup runneth over. :-) pathetic? have no problem with that as well as aesthetic, ascetic, athletic, balletic, bathetic, cometic, cosmetic, eidetic, emetic, frenetic, gametic, genetic, hermetic, limnetic, magnetic, mimetic, noetic, Ossetic, paretic, phenetic, phonetic, phyletic, poetic, prophetic, prosthetic, pyretic, splenetic, syncretic, syndetic, synthetic, tonetic, Venetic.. E) All of the above. I was just riffing on the way that Lawson and Judy spat out definitions as if they really were. It seems to make them feel that they know things, but in me it reveals something very different, the same dependency on pat answers that a kindergartener displays. It just never occurs to the kindergartener that the answer they have been given is less than true, or less than complete. just an idea How about changing the Koan question to Ma-tsuasked, What is that? Pai-chang said, A wild and free flying M/Mahesh /Y. For some reason the concept of Maharishi ever being either wild or free seems less likely than him ever flying. :-) He, after all, was the one who cooked up all these overly simplistic definitions that people are parroting as if they were Truth Incarnate. BTW if you check up the word pathetic at WiKipedia you'll get Sacrament (album) and Lamb of God. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathetic :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: How about, All these 'definitions' are just pathetic attempts at describing a continuum of consciousness that can never be described, and The only people who believe that the descriptions given to them are 'true' are spiritual kindergarteners who have never really experienced the states being described. That said, this pathetic attempt is less pathetic than some of Maharishi's pathetic attempts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: TurIya is not a fourth state but rather the unconditioned consciousness the Witness State which is a kind substratum for all three states? Is it not the one without a second, with no thing to know it and no other for it to know? It is not in fact not apart from anything, for it forms the substratum of all happenings; fleeting phenomena on it and then sink into it alone, it is your very Being? As far as is it known, turyatita-occurs when the Witness itself dissolves into everything that is witnessed -is not referred to in the major Upanishads. However, some of the minor Upanishads ssems to refer to five states.so? Hyakujo's Koan
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thanks you for concept but (lol)sucks??that's a no-no word-is forbidden by my gorgeous kindergarten teacher- to take in my mouth(!) blame on you --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: Hi Anointed one ! Thou annointest my ego with oil. My cup runneth over. :-) snip For some reason the concept of Maharishi ever being either wild or free seems less likely than him ever flying. :-) your description of your tsakli card shuffle experience or absentia of? mmmh let's fill in the .of the Koan Ma-tsu said, Where have they, M+M+Y,gone? Pai-chang replied, They have flown away. Ma-tsu then twisted Pai-chang's nose, of from which Pai-chang cried out in pain. Ma-tsu said, When have M+M+Y ever flown away, they have been here since the beginning. [:D]
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thanks you for riffing concept but (lol)sucks??that's a no-no word-is forbidden by my gorgeous kindergarten teacher- to take in my mouth(!) blame on you spiritualsolitaire --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: Hi Anointed one ! Thou annointest my ego with oil. My cup runneth over. :-) snip For some reason the concept of Maharishi ever being either wild or free seems less likely than him ever flying. :-) your description of your tsakli card shuffle experience or absentia of? mmmh let's fill in the .of the Koan Ma-tsu said, Where have they, Maharishi+Maheshwara+Yogi,gone? Pai-chang replied, They have flown away. Ma-tsu then twisted Pai-chang's nose, of from which Pai-chang cried out in pain. Ma-tsu said, When have M+M+Y ever flown away, they have been here since the beginning. [:D]
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On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:56 PM, sparaig wrote: Are you aware that the oldest of the Upanishads that mentions turiya explicitly says it isn't just another state, but rather that which gives rise to the other states? It's been a while since I've read Upanishadic literature, but yes that does sound like a typical translation one might hear.
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On Aug 23, 2011, at 4:59 AM, turquoiseb wrote: For some reason the concept of Maharishi ever being either wild or free seems less likely than him ever flying. :-) He, after all, was the one who cooked up all these overly simplistic definitions that people are parroting as if they were Truth Incarnate. Musician Paul McCartney was with The Beatles in Rishikesh in 1968 for TM training and he asked the Maharishi at the time about levitation. According to McCartney, the Maharishi said he had never done it, did not know anyone who had, and was unable to find anyone to demonstrate it.[53]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 5:38 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 5:04 PM, sparaig wrote: I still haven't seen any research, whether, from Shambhala Mountain Center Study, or other studies, that describes the physiological correlates of pure consciousness measured during the practice of Buddhist techniques. Pure consciousness is a TM creation, so I don't expect you'll find such silliness anywhere else. The primary examples of higher states of consciousness are for samadhi in both the Hindu Patanjali traditions and the Buddhist traditions. Both share the same EEG hallmarks BTW. Both represent fourth states, that is states of awareness not normally seen in waking, dreaming or sleeping. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL What does you think turiya means? Duh, why do you think I keep using the word fourth? BZZT. If you knew what turiya/fourth meant, you wouldn't define it as states of awareness not normally seen in waking, dreaming or sleeping. You'd say, Both represent the 'fourth,' which underlies the states of waking, dreaming and sleeping. And that's not just TM lingo; that's from the Upanishads.
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Pure consciousness is a TM creation... sparaig: What does you think turiya means? Shiva, or Mahadeva represents Brahman, the Absolute pure consciousness which is beyond all names, forms and activities... Source: 'Tantra' The Path of Ecstasy by Georg Feuerstein Shambhala, 1998 Pages 7084
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: How about, All these 'definitions' are just pathetic attempts at describing a continuum of consciousness that can never be described, and The only people who believe that the descriptions given to them are 'true' are spiritual kindergarteners who have never really experienced the states being described. And yet, the people who *have* experienced the states being described recognize the descriptions as being attempts to describe what they have experienced. They also recognize that no verbal description can be any more than suggestive, because language is dualistic and the experience is of wholeness, oneness.
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For some reason the concept of Maharishi ever being either wild or free seems less likely than him ever flying... Vaj: According to McCartney, the Maharishi said he had never done it, did not know anyone who had, and was unable to find anyone to demonstrate it... Zen Master Rama used to levitate in front of large groups of people, according to TurquoiseB. Also, in the Buddhist scriptures, it is said that the Buddha levitiated over Sravasti on at least one occasion. Go figure.
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Even worse: Both represent 'fourth' states, plural, as if there was more than one turiya, one for Patanjali and one for Buddhism. Just gibberish... sparaig: I remain unconvinced that what most Buddhists call calm abiding is really pure consciousness that we talk about... Most of the TMers on FFL know that researchers have actually identified Pure Consciousness, because Vaj cited a study by Alan Wallace that proves that there is such a state, citing the Shambhala Mountain Center study. And, all the FFL TMers here now know that calm abiding is just like TM practice, because I've practiced both, and I posted this on FFL. There's no reason a TMer can't calmly abide and reach Pure Consciousness, just like the Trungpa practitioners do. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/287357
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip I was just riffing on the way that Lawson and Judy spat out definitions as if they really were. It seems to make them feel that they know things, but in me it reveals something very different, the same dependency on pat answers that a kindergartener displays. It just never occurs to the kindergartener that the answer they have been given is less than true, or less than complete. Au contraire, Pierre. See my previous post. As usual, your attempts at mind-reading stink up the place. For those who have had the experience, it's obvious that the descriptions are less than true. As you say, there's no way to give a complete verbal description of pure consciousness. But that doesn't mean nothing valid can be said about it to distinguish it from other experiences, that it can't be pointed to verbally. Such pointings go back at least as far as the Mandukya Upanishad.
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And Jesus walked on water. --- On Tue, 8/23/11, richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com wrote: From: richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mantra Meditation - for Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 6:38 AM For some reason the concept of Maharishi ever being either wild or free seems less likely than him ever flying... Vaj: According to McCartney, the Maharishi said he had never done it, did not know anyone who had, and was unable to find anyone to demonstrate it... Zen Master Rama used to levitate in front of large groups of people, according to TurquoiseB. Also, in the Buddhist scriptures, it is said that the Buddha levitiated over Sravasti on at least one occasion. Go figure.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: How about, All these 'definitions' are just pathetic attempts at describing a continuum of consciousness that can never be described, and The only people who believe that the descriptions given to them are 'true' are spiritual kindergarteners who have never really experienced the states being described. And yet, the people who *have* experienced the states being described recognize the descriptions as being attempts to describe what they have experienced. They also recognize that no verbal description can be any more than suggestive, because language is dualistic and the experience is of wholeness, oneness. Well during meditation, no description is possible for many reasons. The least philosophical is simply that the episodes of PC are associated with marked changes in EEG and breathing that revert towards normal before the subject is able to press a button signifying that they have noticed the state, so any attempt to describe the pure state is certainly based only a memory of the state and a relatively remote memory, at that. The fact that descriptions require language, and PC is defined as being without language, kinda makes it impossible to describe, also. L
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On Aug 23, 2011, at 2:39 PM, sparaig wrote: Well during meditation, no description is possible for many reasons. The least philosophical is simply that the episodes of PC are associated with marked changes in EEG and breathing that revert towards normal before the subject is able to press a button signifying that they have noticed the state, so any attempt to describe the pure state is certainly based only a memory of the state and a relatively remote memory, at that. The fact that descriptions require language, and PC is defined as being without language, kinda makes it impossible to describe, also. The fact that a unbiased observer would see nothing remarkable EEG- wise beyond what's normally seen in waking, sleeping or dreaming would be the first indicator that there's nothing extraordinary going on - just the relaxation effects we're familiar with. However if an unbiased observer was to see a meditator in which some unknown state which was quite remarkable EEG-wise, then some extraordinary state not normally seen in waking, dreaming or sleeping might be going on. The former would be like TMers: nothing extraordinary whatsoever is going on, except to a handful of TM-biased researchers; the latter would be actual yogis of the Patanjali tradition and Buddhist yogis. Both show remarkable features unseen in normal humans. Outside of meditation it is as if this signature is dyed into brains, the same fourth state EEG signature pervades waking, sleeping and dreaming. It can be described as it never really leaves.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: snip The fact that a unbiased observer would see nothing remarkable EEG-wise How would you, of all people, know what an unbiased observer would see? beyond what's normally seen in waking, sleeping or dreaming would be the first indicator that there's nothing extraordinary going on - just the relaxation effects we're familiar with. However if an unbiased observer was to see a meditator in which some unknown state which was quite remarkable EEG-wise, then some extraordinary state not normally seen in waking, dreaming or sleeping might be going on. The former would be like TMers: nothing extraordinary whatsoever is going on, except to a handful of TM- biased researchers; And the meditators themselves, of course. the latter would be actual yogis of the Patanjali tradition and Buddhist yogis. Both show remarkable features unseen in normal humans. Outside of meditation it is as if this signature is dyed into brains, the same fourth state EEG signature pervades waking, sleeping and dreaming. Since the fourth (not a state, BTW) pervades waking, sleeping, and dreaming in all human beings all the time, what you describe sounds very much like nothing extraordinary is going on. It can be described as it never really leaves.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:56 PM, sparaig wrote: Are you aware that the oldest of the Upanishads that mentions turiya explicitly says it isn't just another state, but rather that which gives rise to the other states? It's been a while since I've read Upanishadic literature, but yes that does sound like a typical translation one might hear. Says Vaj, who hasn't a clue, hoping folks will think he's suggesting the typical translation isn't accurate.
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Barry, I have told you many times. Stick to your strengths, if you engage in a discussion on spiritual terms with Judy and Lawson you will always be a loser. Your strength is being a low vibe slime ball bitch (Bhakta). I do love your whorehouse raps, that is in line with being a wannabe tantrika. The trick is then to explore the dark energies, work on the guilt, shame and pain to channel it to pure creative energy. Only when you do become the master of these energies like me can you the really interact with others here. Then like me you will not feel like bullying the likes of Buck but rather other low vibe slime ballers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: How about, All these 'definitions' are just pathetic attempts at describing a continuum of consciousness that can never be described, and The only people who believe that the descriptions given to them are 'true' are spiritual kindergarteners who have never really experienced the states being described. That said, this pathetic attempt is less pathetic than some of Maharishi's pathetic attempts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: TurIya is not a fourth state but rather the unconditioned consciousness the Witness State which is a kind substratum for all three states? Is it not the one without a second, with no thing to know it and no other for it to know? It is not in fact not apart from anything, for it forms the substratum of all happenings; fleeting phenomena on it and then sink into it alone, it is your very Being? As far as is it known, turyatita-occurs when the Witness itself dissolves into everything that is witnessed -is not referred to in the major Upanishads. However, some of the minor Upanishads ssems to refer to five states.so? Hyakujo's Koan
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Well... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: [...] The fact that a unbiased observer would see nothing remarkable EEG- wise beyond what's normally seen in waking, sleeping or dreaming would be the first indicator that there's nothing extraordinary going on - just the relaxation effects we're familiar with. However if an unbiased observer was to see a meditator in which some unknown state which was quite remarkable EEG-wise, then some extraordinary state not normally seen in waking, dreaming or sleeping might be going on. Except that it isn't extraordinary. It is merely the refinement of the basis of the three relative states to the core essential. The degree of coherence in specific areas might be unusual, but relaxed alertness-without-content is hardly an extra-ordinary thing. It is the sine qua non of everything that involves alertness. Now, being able to measure alertness in its pure state might be unusual, but it shouldn't be surprising that the pure form of what is the basis of all relative forms of consciousness turns out to have something mundane and in *common* with all of them. That's kinda a given, if it really is the basis for everything else. I mean, are you really going to take someone seriously who says: OMG! No matter where in the house I dig, its got this concrete layer at the bottom... How amazing! If it turns out that a concrete layer is NOT at the bottom, that might be interesting. OTOH, if you are attempting to make sure that the house is in good repair, the most important thing to do is make sure the foundation is solid. The former would be like TMers: nothing extraordinary whatsoever is going on, except to a handful of TM-biased researchers; the latter would be actual yogis of the Patanjali tradition and Buddhist yogis. Both show remarkable features unseen in normal humans. Outside of meditation it is as if this signature is dyed into brains, the same fourth state EEG signature pervades waking, sleeping and dreaming. It can be described as it never really leaves. The signature is already there. It is merely not obvious because the nervous system is generally damaged and the idle is set too high. Repair the damage/reset the idle and it becomes totally obvious. L.
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Hey, its summer time! It was almost 80 in SF today. Might as well leave Vaj lost in his story, and enjoy the weather instead. All this turiya, - enjoyable word - and absolute value, and pure consciousness feels different to each of us, weaving together a group definition of *something* that underlies waking/dreaming/sleep states. Naturally everyone's definition is going to be different, and yet there is a thread of consistency that runs through all of the descriptions of that which supports all. And they have lasted awhile. To argue, as Vaj does, that one eternal experience of That is somehow false, or superior, is nonsensical. Not to say we don't all have our opinions and thoughts and experiences and reflections about turiya. However, how is it possible from any perspective to rule something out unequivocally, when looking at the infinite combinations and flavors of the experience of turiya? Fundamentalist thought is always an easy way out. In any direction. I used to do it a lot, as a way to limit my options and make whatever I was facing comprehensible and manageable. It was just like a large grey wardrobe that I would lug along with me to every thought and action, consulting the volumes within ever so carefully so that I could get the story exactly right. The ego loves to micro-mange everything, which is just fine, as long as it knows its place, subservient to the vast silent cosmos from which it emerges. Once that is seen clearly, everyone gets along fine. Otherwise it is back to the scripts and stories, and who can bear to go back to them anyway? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:56 PM, sparaig wrote: Are you aware that the oldest of the Upanishads that mentions turiya explicitly says it isn't just another state, but rather that which gives rise to the other states? It's been a while since I've read Upanishadic literature, but yes that does sound like a typical translation one might hear. Says Vaj, who hasn't a clue, hoping folks will think he's suggesting the typical translation isn't accurate.
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On Aug 23, 2011, at 5:59 PM, sparaig wrote: Well... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: [...] The fact that a unbiased observer would see nothing remarkable EEG- wise beyond what's normally seen in waking, sleeping or dreaming would be the first indicator that there's nothing extraordinary going on - just the relaxation effects we're familiar with. However if an unbiased observer was to see a meditator in which some unknown state which was quite remarkable EEG-wise, then some extraordinary state not normally seen in waking, dreaming or sleeping might be going on. Except that it isn't extraordinary. It is merely the refinement of the basis of the three relative states to the core essential. The degree of coherence in specific areas might be unusual, but relaxed alertness-without-content is hardly an extra-ordinary thing. It is the sine qua non of everything that involves alertness. Now, being able to measure alertness in its pure state might be unusual, but it shouldn't be surprising that the pure form of what is the basis of all relative forms of consciousness turns out to have something mundane and in *common* with all of them. That's kinda a given, if it really is the basis for everything else. I mean, are you really going to take someone seriously who says: OMG! No matter where in the house I dig, its got this concrete layer at the bottom... How amazing! If it turns out that a concrete layer is NOT at the bottom, that might be interesting. OTOH, if you are attempting to make sure that the house is in good repair, the most important thing to do is make sure the foundation is solid. The former would be like TMers: nothing extraordinary whatsoever is going on, except to a handful of TM-biased researchers; the latter would be actual yogis of the Patanjali tradition and Buddhist yogis. Both show remarkable features unseen in normal humans. Outside of meditation it is as if this signature is dyed into brains, the same fourth state EEG signature pervades waking, sleeping and dreaming. It can be described as it never really leaves. The signature is already there. It is merely not obvious because the nervous system is generally damaged and the idle is set too high. Repair the damage/reset the idle and it becomes totally obvious. This is just desperate, specious theorizing Lawson - esp. since in this case, the first time it was seen was in lineal Patanjali yogis...
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One of the hottest days - it's still 82 out there in San Ramon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Hey, its summer time! It was almost 80 in SF today. Might as well leave Vaj lost in his story, and enjoy the weather instead. All this turiya, - enjoyable word - and absolute value, and pure consciousness feels different to each of us, weaving together a group definition of *something* that underlies waking/dreaming/sleep states. Naturally everyone's definition is going to be different, and yet there is a thread of consistency that runs through all of the descriptions of that which supports all. And they have lasted awhile. To argue, as Vaj does, that one eternal experience of That is somehow false, or superior, is nonsensical. Not to say we don't all have our opinions and thoughts and experiences and reflections about turiya. However, how is it possible from any perspective to rule something out unequivocally, when looking at the infinite combinations and flavors of the experience of turiya? Fundamentalist thought is always an easy way out. In any direction. I used to do it a lot, as a way to limit my options and make whatever I was facing comprehensible and manageable. It was just like a large grey wardrobe that I would lug along with me to every thought and action, consulting the volumes within ever so carefully so that I could get the story exactly right. The ego loves to micro-mange everything, which is just fine, as long as it knows its place, subservient to the vast silent cosmos from which it emerges. Once that is seen clearly, everyone gets along fine. Otherwise it is back to the scripts and stories, and who can bear to go back to them anyway? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:56 PM, sparaig wrote: Are you aware that the oldest of the Upanishads that mentions turiya explicitly says it isn't just another state, but rather that which gives rise to the other states? It's been a while since I've read Upanishadic literature, but yes that does sound like a typical translation one might hear. Says Vaj, who hasn't a clue, hoping folks will think he's suggesting the typical translation isn't accurate.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: This explanation conflates the difference between mind/consciousness (citta) and awareness (cit) or, if you prefer, between drishti-matra and buddhi. Do you, perchance, mean 'dRshi-maatra'? draSTaa dRshi-maatraH shuddho 'pi pratyayaanupashyaH. Taimni: The Seer is pure consciousness but though pure, appears to see through the mind. (II 20)
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L This topic is about the distinction between the two techniques and how to highlight any differences between them. It is factually based. It is not a football contest of my technique is better than your technique and most certainly is not a thread for you to celebrate your visibly manifest and aggrandized self-image. You're just playing Sanskrit semantic games to avoid admitting that I am correct. Believe it or not, this thread is not about you. It started as a factual examination of the differences between these two similar but slightly variant techniques. Obviously your conclusions preceded your attempt to discuss this topic. Therefore those conclusions cannot validate any sequence of reasoning you introduce. But, by the way, I must agree with you. Empirical research using instrumentation to attempt to measure meditation has only been done over the past few years. Since no previous empirical research existed for those many centuries, all that pseudo-knowledge was really just mumbo-jumbo. But, because of you, it can now be told it was all just a bunch of belief systems targeting uneducated Indians and naive Westerners. Although propagated by gurus and jokies needing to get hold of bags of rupees, you have finally struck a blow for truth, goodness and ultimate certitude. Congratulations on your fine work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: You said: If we *find our attention aware of thoughts* occurring within the mind, that in itself, does not constitute a reason or a need to reintroduce the mantra. You're just playing Sanskrit semantic games to avoid admitting that I am correct. REgardless, the proof is in the pudding. After 25 years of people practice the techniques that Sri Sri Ravi Shankar teaches, where is the research on people showing pure consciousness? L
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Yep, Patanjali sez dRshi-maatra . My mistake. Thanks for the correction. The seer (is) sheer seeing (and) although pure (shuddha) beholds (anupashya) ideas (pratyaya). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: This explanation conflates the difference between mind/consciousness (citta) and awareness (cit) or, if you prefer, between drishti-matra and buddhi. Do you, perchance, mean 'dRshi-maatra'? draSTaa dRshi-maatraH shuddho 'pi pratyayaanupashyaH. Taimni: The Seer is pure consciousness but though pure, appears to see through the mind. (II 20)
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Ouch, though I note that you didn't address my point. Lawson (the great and powerful) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: L This topic is about the distinction between the two techniques and how to highlight any differences between them. It is factually based. It is not a football contest of my technique is better than your technique and most certainly is not a thread for you to celebrate your visibly manifest and aggrandized self-image. You're just playing Sanskrit semantic games to avoid admitting that I am correct. Believe it or not, this thread is not about you. It started as a factual examination of the differences between these two similar but slightly variant techniques. Obviously your conclusions preceded your attempt to discuss this topic. Therefore those conclusions cannot validate any sequence of reasoning you introduce. But, by the way, I must agree with you. Empirical research using instrumentation to attempt to measure meditation has only been done over the past few years. Since no previous empirical research existed for those many centuries, all that pseudo-knowledge was really just mumbo-jumbo. But, because of you, it can now be told � it was all just a bunch of belief systems targeting uneducated Indians and naive Westerners. Although propagated by gurus and jokies needing to get hold of bags of rupees, you have finally struck a blow for truth, goodness and ultimate certitude. Congratulations on your fine work. ������������������������������� --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: You said: If we *find our attention aware of thoughts* occurring within the mind, that in itself, does not constitute a reason or a need to reintroduce the mantra. You're just playing Sanskrit semantic games to avoid admitting that I am correct. REgardless, the proof is in the pudding. After 25 years of people practice the techniques that Sri Sri Ravi Shankar teaches, where is the research on people showing pure consciousness? L
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On Aug 22, 2011, at 2:43 PM, sparaig wrote: Ouch, though I note that you didn't address my point. Lawson (the great and powerful) Lawson, only TB TMers really believe that researchers have actually identified Pure Consciousness - because they've found no fourth, just the same ole, same old. So it's probably not worth responding to, as it's obviously a belief you're rather attached to!
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Vaj: ...only TB TMers really believe that researchers have actually identified Pure Consciousness... Most of the TMers on FFL know that researchers have actually identified Pure Consciousness, because you cited a study by Alan Wallace that proves that there is such a state, citing the Shambhala Mountain Center study. And, all the FFL TMers here now know that calm abiding is just like TM practice, because I've practiced both, and said posted this on FFL. There's no reason a TMer can't calmly abide and reach Pure Consciousness, just like the Trungpa practitioners do. That is, unless the Wallace study was bunk, right?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 2:43 PM, sparaig wrote: Ouch, though I note that you didn't address my point. Lawson (the great and powerful) Lawson, only TB TMers really believe that researchers have actually identified Pure Consciousness - because they've found no fourth, just the same ole, same old. So it's probably not worth responding to, as it's obviously a belief you're rather attached to! Certainly it is a belief I am attached to. As to whether or not it is a validatable belief, few people who are not True Believers of one stripe or another have ever examined the evidence, so it is not exactly unexpected that TMing TBs believe it while the TBs in other traditions reject it. L.
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I still haven't seen any research, whether, from Shambhala Mountain Center Study, or other studies, that describes the physiological correlates of pure consciousness measured during the practice of Buddhist techniques. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Vaj: ...only TB TMers really believe that researchers have actually identified Pure Consciousness... Most of the TMers on FFL know that researchers have actually identified Pure Consciousness, because you cited a study by Alan Wallace that proves that there is such a state, citing the Shambhala Mountain Center study. And, all the FFL TMers here now know that calm abiding is just like TM practice, because I've practiced both, and said posted this on FFL. There's no reason a TMer can't calmly abide and reach Pure Consciousness, just like the Trungpa practitioners do. That is, unless the Wallace study was bunk, right?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 5:04 PM, sparaig wrote: I still haven't seen any research, whether, from Shambhala Mountain Center Study, or other studies, that describes the physiological correlates of pure consciousness measured during the practice of Buddhist techniques. Pure consciousness is a TM creation, so I don't expect you'll find such silliness anywhere else. The primary examples of higher states of consciousness are for samadhi in both the Hindu Patanjali traditions and the Buddhist traditions. Both share the same EEG hallmarks BTW. Both represent fourth states, that is states of awareness not normally seen in waking, dreaming or sleeping. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL What does you think turiya means? Jeeze. What a maroon. L.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 5:04 PM, sparaig wrote: I still haven't seen any research, whether, from Shambhala Mountain Center Study, or other studies, that describes the physiological correlates of pure consciousness measured during the practice of Buddhist techniques. Pure consciousness is a TM creation Uh, no, it most certainly is not. What a nitwit assertion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turiya http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-02-06/vintage-wisdom/28005396_1_consciousness-mindfulness-universal-flux http://tinyurl.com/3d8jrj4 http://upanishads.pureconsciousness.org/ , so I don't expect you'll find such silliness anywhere else. Only about 620,000 Google hits on pure consciousness that don't refer either to Maharishi or to Transcendental Meditation. The primary examples of higher states of consciousness are for samadhi in both the Hindu Patanjali traditions and the Buddhist traditions. Both share the same EEG hallmarks BTW. Both represent fourth states, that is states of awareness not normally seen in waking, dreaming or sleeping.
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The most striking silliness is his assertion that real turiya is about states of awareness not normally seen in waking, dreaming or sleeping... I guess, insomuch as you normally don't notice the movie screen while watching the movie, that you could say this, but the way he words it implies something entirely different than: that which is what waking, dreaming or sleeping are projected upon. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 5:04 PM, sparaig wrote: I still haven't seen any research, whether, from Shambhala Mountain Center Study, or other studies, that describes the physiological correlates of pure consciousness measured during the practice of Buddhist techniques. Pure consciousness is a TM creation Uh, no, it most certainly is not. What a nitwit assertion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turiya http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-02-06/vintage-wisdom/28005396_1_consciousness-mindfulness-universal-flux http://tinyurl.com/3d8jrj4 http://upanishads.pureconsciousness.org/ , so I don't expect you'll find such silliness anywhere else. Only about 620,000 Google hits on pure consciousness that don't refer either to Maharishi or to Transcendental Meditation. The primary examples of higher states of consciousness are for samadhi in both the Hindu Patanjali traditions and the Buddhist traditions. Both share the same EEG hallmarks BTW. Both represent fourth states, that is states of awareness not normally seen in waking, dreaming or sleeping.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: The most striking silliness is his assertion that real turiya is about states of awareness not normally seen in waking, dreaming or sleeping... I guess, insomuch as you normally don't notice the movie screen while watching the movie, that you could say this, but the way he words it implies something entirely different than: that which is what waking, dreaming or sleeping are projected upon. Even worse: Both represent 'fourth' states, plural, as if there was more than one turiya, one for Patanjali and one for Buddhism. Just gibberish. And turiya isn't a state in any case; as you note, it's what underlies all states. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 5:04 PM, sparaig wrote: I still haven't seen any research, whether, from Shambhala Mountain Center Study, or other studies, that describes the physiological correlates of pure consciousness measured during the practice of Buddhist techniques. Pure consciousness is a TM creation Uh, no, it most certainly is not. What a nitwit assertion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turiya http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-02-06/vintage-wisdom/28005396_1_consciousness-mindfulness-universal-flux http://tinyurl.com/3d8jrj4 http://upanishads.pureconsciousness.org/ , so I don't expect you'll find such silliness anywhere else. Only about 620,000 Google hits on pure consciousness that don't refer either to Maharishi or to Transcendental Meditation. The primary examples of higher states of consciousness are for samadhi in both the Hindu Patanjali traditions and the Buddhist traditions. Both share the same EEG hallmarks BTW. Both represent fourth states, that is states of awareness not normally seen in waking, dreaming or sleeping.
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On Aug 22, 2011, at 5:38 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 5:04 PM, sparaig wrote: I still haven't seen any research, whether, from Shambhala Mountain Center Study, or other studies, that describes the physiological correlates of pure consciousness measured during the practice of Buddhist techniques. Pure consciousness is a TM creation, so I don't expect you'll find such silliness anywhere else. The primary examples of higher states of consciousness are for samadhi in both the Hindu Patanjali traditions and the Buddhist traditions. Both share the same EEG hallmarks BTW. Both represent fourth states, that is states of awareness not normally seen in waking, dreaming or sleeping. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL What does you think turiya means? Duh, why do you think I keep using the word fourth?
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'Pure Consciousness'=Being=Pure Awareness=Awareness Aware of Itself' That which one becomes familiar when there is 'no mantra/no thoughts' in the TM instruction... That which is experienced as the 'Witness' is 'Pure Consciousness'.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: The most striking silliness is his assertion that real turiya is about states of awareness not normally seen in waking, dreaming or sleeping... I guess, insomuch as you normally don't notice the movie screen while watching the movie, that you could say this, but the way he words it implies something entirely different than: that which is what waking, dreaming or sleeping are projected upon. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 5:04 PM, sparaig wrote: I still haven't seen any research, whether, from Shambhala Mountain Center Study, or other studies, that describes the physiological correlates of pure consciousness measured during the practice of Buddhist techniques. Pure consciousness is a TM creation Uh, no, it most certainly is not. What a nitwit assertion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turiya http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-02-06/vintage-wisdom/28005396_1_consciousness-mindfulness-universal-flux http://tinyurl.com/3d8jrj4 http://upanishads.pureconsciousness.org/ , so I don't expect you'll find such silliness anywhere else. Only about 620,000 Google hits on pure consciousness that don't refer either to Maharishi or to Transcendental Meditation. The primary examples of higher states of consciousness are for samadhi in both the Hindu Patanjali traditions and the Buddhist traditions. Both share the same EEG hallmarks BTW. Both represent fourth states, that is states of awareness not normally seen in waking, dreaming or sleeping.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: The most striking silliness is his assertion that real turiya is about states of awareness not normally seen in waking, dreaming or sleeping... I guess, insomuch as you normally don't notice the movie screen while watching the movie, that you could say this, but the way he words it implies something entirely different than: that which is what waking, dreaming or sleeping are projected upon. Even worse: Both represent 'fourth' states, plural, as if there was more than one turiya, one for Patanjali and one for Buddhism. Just gibberish. And turiya isn't a state in any case; as you note, it's what underlies all states. I remain unconvinced that what most Buddhists call calm abiding is really pure consciousness that we talk about. Pure Consciousness during TM is characterized by balanced/coherent alpha between the 2 sides of the parietal lobe and to a lesser extent by balanced/coherent alpha between the front and back parts of the brain (the middle seems to be left out in PC and CC, which suggests that perhaps GC/UC/BC will involve those regions as well, but who knows). The meditative techniques that most people practice, as has been pointed out here, lead to one side of the parietal (pre frontal) lobe becoming less active as well as other reductions in activity of the temporal lobe combined with increases in activity in other parts of the brain: in other words these techniques generate greater *imbalance* in the brain rather than greater balance, and it is these imbalances that lead to the descriptions of bliss, compassion, etc. It is possible that there is some underlying style of functioning that underlies both kinds of effects that scientists haven't detected yet, of course, so that both typical Samatha meditation and TM are really leading to the same place. IMHO, people who claim that, in their experience, TM and other techniques lead to the same place, are ignoring a couple of aphorisms: Bliss isn't blissful (and therefore feelings of bliss can't be used to judge the effectiveness of a technique) and if you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him (meaning to me that whatever you think enlightenment is, it isn't, so don't get attached to some feeling or condition, inside or outside of meditation). Most people in most traditions, including TM, miss the significance of both of these sayings (which, for me, are different ways of saying the same thing, at least in this context). L
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 5:38 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 5:04 PM, sparaig wrote: I still haven't seen any research, whether, from Shambhala Mountain Center Study, or other studies, that describes the physiological correlates of pure consciousness measured during the practice of Buddhist techniques. Pure consciousness is a TM creation, so I don't expect you'll find such silliness anywhere else. The primary examples of higher states of consciousness are for samadhi in both the Hindu Patanjali traditions and the Buddhist traditions. Both share the same EEG hallmarks BTW. Both represent fourth states, that is states of awareness not normally seen in waking, dreaming or sleeping. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL What does you think turiya means? Duh, why do you think I keep using the word fourth? Are you aware that the oldest of the Upanishads that mentions turiya explicitly says it isn't just another state, but rather that which gives rise to the other states? L.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: 'Pure Consciousness'=Being=Pure Awareness=Awareness Aware of Itself' That which one becomes familiar when there is 'no mantra/no thoughts' in the TM instruction... That which is experienced as the 'Witness' is 'Pure Consciousness'.. Of course, during meditation Pure Consciousness isn't aware of anything in any meaningful definition of the words aware of. L.
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As everyone knows, this is counter to TM instruction. The first research on pure consciousness during TM was published more than 25 years ago and quite forcefully explains why this (Sahaj) practice isn't as effective as TM practice. Researchers asked people to press a button when they had an episode of pure consciousness. What the researchers found was that by the time a meditator pushed the button, they were no longer in an unusual state of consciousness: they had returned towards normal (for TM practice) levels of Alplha coherence and relaxed breathing. In other words, by the time you notice you are in pure consciousness during TM, you are actually out of it. Deciding to remain in this quiet state is impossible because the quiet state simply cannot be noticed while you are in it, so all you are doing is detracting from the *process* that is TM. Pure consciousness is totally unimportant during TM. It is the process of the inward stroke of meditation (decreasing mental activity) followed by the outer stroke that matters. Some period of inactivity at the transition between inward and outward is totally unimportant because in order to note that you are in that state of inactivity requires that the mind be active enough to note something in the first place. Research suggests that this will be true for everyone, no matter how long their pure consciousness during TM lasts: if they note that they are in pure consciousness, they are no longer in the pure state. Now, for someone who transcends for an entire meditation period, this model/theory may break down, but how many reading this have 20 minutes of breath suspension during TM practice and how would you know? L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Besides the difference in mantra-s, there is a difference in how the two meditations are done. In Sahaj practice, the understanding is that the mantra doesn't go anywhere so we don't actually lose the mantra. Because we were introduced to the mantra at initiation, it is naturally recognized and recollected when we sit down to meditate. However, if during meditation our attention has been absorbed in thoughts for a while without realizing it, then we just return to the mantra by recognizing it again. If we find our attention aware of thoughts occurring within the mind, that in itself, does not constitute a reason or a need to reintroduce the mantra. Just to rest in silent awareness, although there is no activity or object reference, is in itself meditation because awareness is fundamental while the mind is not. Or as SSRS has said, although you cannot know awareness, because it is not an object, you don't need to do so because you are that very awareness itself prior to mind and to the mind's experiences, whether objective or subjective. ��������������������.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: The Power of Mantra Contrary to public misinformation, techniques like Transcendental Meditation or Sahaj Samadhi are not based on repetition. They utilize a much subtler science. Om, so are Transcendental Meditation and Sahaj Samadhi effectively the same? The similar practice? Just wondering. Anyone learned both? Anyone here taught both? -B vibrations of consciousness. Mantra carries the mind to the silence that was there before God said, Let there be light. In Sanskrit, mantra means vehicle for the mind: manas - mind, tra - vehicle. Tra is the root of our English suffix, tron. Electrons carry electricity. Positrons carry positivity. Mantras carry mind to its source.
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This explanation conflates the difference between mind/consciousness (citta) and awareness (cit) or, if you prefer, between drishti-matra and buddhi. Awareness is prior to consciousness whether that consciousness is pure or dominated by vritti-s. An act of noticing is an activity of mind/consciousness, while awareness is definitional of what we are. Awareness is independent of the inward or outward stroke of the mind/consciousness and of buddhi-sattva. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: As everyone knows, this is counter to TM instruction. In other words, by the time you notice you are in pure consciousness during TM, you are actually out of it. Deciding to remain in this quiet state is impossible because the quiet state simply cannot be noticed while you are in it, so all you are doing is detracting from the *process* that is TM. Pure consciousness is totally unimportant during TM. It is the process of the inward stroke of meditation (decreasing mental activity) followed by the outer stroke that matters. Some period of inactivity at the transition between inward and outward is totally unimportant because in order to note that you are in that state of inactivity requires that the mind be active enough to note something in the first place. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Besides the difference in mantra-s, there is a difference in how the two meditations are done. In Sahaj practice, the understanding is that the mantra doesn't go anywhere so we don't actually lose the mantra. Because we were introduced to the mantra at initiation, it is naturally recognized and recollected when we sit down to meditate. However, if during meditation our attention has been absorbed in thoughts for a while without realizing it, then we just return to the mantra by recognizing it again. If we find our attention aware of thoughts occurring within the mind, that in itself, does not constitute a reason or a need to reintroduce the mantra. Just to rest in silent awareness, although there is no activity or object reference, is in itself meditation because awareness is fundamental while the mind is not. Or as SSRS has said, although you cannot know awareness, because it is not an object, you don't need to do so because you are that very awareness itself prior to mind and to the mind's experiences, whether objective or subjective. ��������������������.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: The Power of Mantra Contrary to public misinformation, techniques like Transcendental Meditation or Sahaj Samadhi are not based on repetition. They utilize a much subtler science. Om, so are Transcendental Meditation and Sahaj Samadhi effectively the same? The similar practice? Just wondering. Anyone learned both? Anyone here taught both? -B vibrations of consciousness. Mantra carries the mind to the silence that was there before God said, Let there be light. In Sanskrit, mantra means vehicle for the mind: manas - mind, tra - vehicle. Tra is the root of our English suffix, tron. Electrons carry electricity. Positrons carry positivity. Mantras carry mind to its source.
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* * Nicely put. Our BEing is a priori, ever-present, unconditioned and unconditional... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: This explanation conflates the difference between mind/consciousness (citta) and awareness (cit) or, if you prefer, between drishti-matra and buddhi. Awareness is prior to consciousness whether that consciousness is pure or dominated by vritti-s. An act of noticing is an activity of mind/consciousness, while awareness is definitional of what we are. Awareness is independent of the inward or outward stroke of the mind/consciousness and of buddhi-sattva. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: As everyone knows, this is counter to TM instruction. In other words, by the time you notice you are in pure consciousness during TM, you are actually out of it. Deciding to remain in this quiet state is impossible because the quiet state simply cannot be noticed while you are in it, so all you are doing is detracting from the *process* that is TM. Pure consciousness is totally unimportant during TM. It is the process of the inward stroke of meditation (decreasing mental activity) followed by the outer stroke that matters. Some period of inactivity at the transition between inward and outward is totally unimportant because in order to note that you are in that state of inactivity requires that the mind be active enough to note something in the first place. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Besides the difference in mantra-s, there is a difference in how the two meditations are done. In Sahaj practice, the understanding is that the mantra doesn't go anywhere so we don't actually lose the mantra. Because we were introduced to the mantra at initiation, it is naturally recognized and recollected when we sit down to meditate. However, if during meditation our attention has been absorbed in thoughts for a while without realizing it, then we just return to the mantra by recognizing it again. If we find our attention aware of thoughts occurring within the mind, that in itself, does not constitute a reason or a need to reintroduce the mantra. Just to rest in silent awareness, although there is no activity or object reference, is in itself meditation because awareness is fundamental while the mind is not. Or as SSRS has said, although you cannot know awareness, because it is not an object, you don't need to do so because you are that very awareness itself prior to mind and to the mind's experiences, whether objective or subjective. ��������������������.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: The Power of Mantra Contrary to public misinformation, techniques like Transcendental Meditation or Sahaj Samadhi are not based on repetition. They utilize a much subtler science. Om, so are Transcendental Meditation and Sahaj Samadhi effectively the same? The similar practice? Just wondering. Anyone learned both? Anyone here taught both? -B vibrations of consciousness. Mantra carries the mind to the silence that was there before God said, Let there be light. In Sanskrit, mantra means vehicle for the mind: manas - mind, tra - vehicle. Tra is the root of our English suffix, tron. Electrons carry electricity. Positrons carry positivity. Mantras carry mind to its source.
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You said: If we *find our attention aware of thoughts* occurring within the mind, that in itself, does not constitute a reason or a need to reintroduce the mantra. You're just playing Sanskrit semantic games to avoid admitting that I am correct. REgardless, the proof is in the pudding. After 25 years of people practice the techniques that Sri Sri Ravi Shankar teaches, where is the research on people showing pure consciousness? L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: This explanation conflates the difference between mind/consciousness (citta) and awareness (cit) or, if you prefer, between drishti-matra and buddhi. Awareness is prior to consciousness whether that consciousness is pure or dominated by vritti-s. An act of noticing is an activity of mind/consciousness, while awareness is definitional of what we are. Awareness is independent of the inward or outward stroke of the mind/consciousness and of buddhi-sattva. ������������������������������ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: As everyone knows, this is counter to TM instruction. In other words, by the time you notice you are in pure consciousness during TM, you are actually out of it. Deciding to remain in this quiet state is impossible because the quiet state simply cannot be noticed while you are in it, so all you are doing is detracting from the *process* that is TM. Pure consciousness is totally unimportant during TM. It is the process of the inward stroke of meditation (decreasing mental activity) followed by the outer stroke that matters. Some period of inactivity at the transition between inward and outward is totally unimportant because in order to note that you are in that state of inactivity requires that the mind be active enough to note something in the first place. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Besides the difference in mantra-s, there is a difference in how the two meditations are done. In Sahaj practice, the understanding is that the mantra doesn't go anywhere so we don't actually lose the mantra. Because we were introduced to the mantra at initiation, it is naturally recognized and recollected when we sit down to meditate. However, if during meditation our attention has been absorbed in thoughts for a while without realizing it, then we just return to the mantra by recognizing it again. If we find our attention aware of thoughts occurring within the mind, that in itself, does not constitute a reason or a need to reintroduce the mantra. Just to rest in silent awareness, although there is no activity or object reference, is in itself meditation because awareness is fundamental while the mind is not. Or as SSRS has said, although you cannot know awareness, because it is not an object, you don't need to do so because you are that very awareness itself prior to mind and to the mind's experiences, whether objective or subjective. ��������������������.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: The Power of Mantra Contrary to public misinformation, techniques like Transcendental Meditation or Sahaj Samadhi are not based on repetition. They utilize a much subtler science. Om, so are Transcendental Meditation and Sahaj Samadhi effectively the same? The similar practice? Just wondering. Anyone learned both? Anyone here taught both? -B vibrations of consciousness. Mantra carries the mind to the silence that was there before God said, Let there be light. In Sanskrit, mantra means vehicle for the mind: manas - mind, tra - vehicle. Tra is the root of our English suffix, tron. Electrons carry electricity. Positrons carry positivity. Mantras carry mind to its source.
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Dear Empty, that's a substantial difference. I wish now I would have known the difference years ago. One of the lady saints coming through some years ago pointed that out too. The difference was like the light came on. Thanks for the clarification between TM process and also may be sitting with the silence. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Besides the difference in mantra-s, there is a difference in how the two meditations are done. In Sahaj practice, the understanding is that the mantra doesn't go anywhere so we don't actually lose the mantra. Because we were introduced to the mantra at initiation, it is naturally recognized and recollected when we sit down to meditate. However, if during meditation our attention has been absorbed in thoughts for a while without realizing it, then we just return to the mantra by recognizing it again. If we find our attention aware of thoughts occurring within the mind, that in itself, does not constitute a reason or a need to reintroduce the mantra. Just to rest in silent awareness, although there is no activity or object reference, is in itself meditation because awareness is fundamental while the mind is not. Or as SSRS has said, although you cannot know awareness, because it is not an object, you don't need to do so because you are that very awareness itself prior to mind and to the mind's experiences, whether objective or subjective. .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: The Power of Mantra Contrary to public misinformation, techniques like Transcendental Meditation or Sahaj Samadhi are not based on repetition. They utilize a much subtler science. Om, so are Transcendental Meditation and Sahaj Samadhi effectively the same? The similar practice? Just wondering. Anyone learned both? Anyone here taught both? -B vibrations of consciousness. Mantra carries the mind to the silence that was there before God said, Let there be light. In Sanskrit, mantra means vehicle for the mind: manas - mind, tra - vehicle. Tra is the root of our English suffix, tron. Electrons carry electricity. Positrons carry positivity. Mantras carry mind to its source.
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There is an awareness that becomes established, and then, contemplation of awareness itself, and it's infinite value, becomes the meditation...mantra and sutra become more or less redundant... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Dear Empty, that's a substantial difference. I wish now I would have known the difference years ago. One of the lady saints coming through some years ago pointed that out too. The difference was like the light came on. Thanks for the clarification between TM process and also may be sitting with the silence. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Besides the difference in mantra-s, there is a difference in how the two meditations are done. In Sahaj practice, the understanding is that the mantra doesn't go anywhere so we don't actually lose the mantra. Because we were introduced to the mantra at initiation, it is naturally recognized and recollected when we sit down to meditate. However, if during meditation our attention has been absorbed in thoughts for a while without realizing it, then we just return to the mantra by recognizing it again. If we find our attention aware of thoughts occurring within the mind, that in itself, does not constitute a reason or a need to reintroduce the mantra. Just to rest in silent awareness, although there is no activity or object reference, is in itself meditation because awareness is fundamental while the mind is not. Or as SSRS has said, although you cannot know awareness, because it is not an object, you don't need to do so because you are that very awareness itself prior to mind and to the mind's experiences, whether objective or subjective. .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: The Power of Mantra Contrary to public misinformation, techniques like Transcendental Meditation or Sahaj Samadhi are not based on repetition. They utilize a much subtler science. Om, so are Transcendental Meditation and Sahaj Samadhi effectively the same? The similar practice? Just wondering. Anyone learned both? Anyone here taught both? -B vibrations of consciousness. Mantra carries the mind to the silence that was there before God said, Let there be light. In Sanskrit, mantra means vehicle for the mind: manas - mind, tra - vehicle. Tra is the root of our English suffix, tron. Electrons carry electricity. Positrons carry positivity. Mantras carry mind to its source.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: This explanation conflates the difference between mind/consciousness (citta) and awareness (cit) or, if you prefer, between drishti-matra and buddhi. Not really. Pure consciousness and pure awareness are synonymous in TM lingo. Awareness is prior to consciousness whether that consciousness is pure or dominated by vritti-s. An act of noticing is an activity of mind/consciousness, while awareness is definitional of what we are. Awareness is independent of the inward or outward stroke of the mind/consciousness and of buddhi-sattva. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: As everyone knows, this is counter to TM instruction. In other words, by the time you notice you are in pure consciousness during TM, you are actually out of it. Deciding to remain in this quiet state is impossible because the quiet state simply cannot be noticed while you are in it, so all you are doing is detracting from the *process* that is TM. Pure consciousness is totally unimportant during TM. It is the process of the inward stroke of meditation (decreasing mental activity) followed by the outer stroke that matters. Some period of inactivity at the transition between inward and outward is totally unimportant because in order to note that you are in that state of inactivity requires that the mind be active enough to note something in the first place. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Besides the difference in mantra-s, there is a difference in how the two meditations are done. In Sahaj practice, the understanding is that the mantra doesn't go anywhere so we don't actually lose the mantra. Because we were introduced to the mantra at initiation, it is naturally recognized and recollected when we sit down to meditate. However, if during meditation our attention has been absorbed in thoughts for a while without realizing it, then we just return to the mantra by recognizing it again. If we find our attention aware of thoughts occurring within the mind, that in itself, does not constitute a reason or a need to reintroduce the mantra. Just to rest in silent awareness, although there is no activity or object reference, is in itself meditation because awareness is fundamental while the mind is not. Or as SSRS has said, although you cannot know awareness, because it is not an object, you don't need to do so because you are that very awareness itself prior to mind and to the mind's experiences, whether objective or subjective. ��������������������.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: The Power of Mantra Contrary to public misinformation, techniques like Transcendental Meditation or Sahaj Samadhi are not based on repetition. They utilize a much subtler science. Om, so are Transcendental Meditation and Sahaj Samadhi effectively the same? The similar practice? Just wondering. Anyone learned both? Anyone here taught both? -B vibrations of consciousness. Mantra carries the mind to the silence that was there before God said, Let there be light. In Sanskrit, mantra means vehicle for the mind: manas - mind, tra - vehicle. Tra is the root of our English suffix, tron. Electrons carry electricity. Positrons carry positivity. Mantras carry mind to its source.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Om hraang hring hraung saha http://vempaimia.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/lyijykyna-saha.jpg
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Write the mantra daily It is a good practice to write at least one page of mantra daily. Many people get better concentration by writing than by chanting. Try also to inculcate in children the habit of chanting and neatly writing the mantra. This will help to improve their handwriting, too. The book in which the mantra is written should not be thrown around; it should be carefully kept in our meditation or shrine room.
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Om hraang
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Om hraang hring
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Om hraang hring hraung
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Om hraang hring hraung saha
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Om hraang hring hraung saha suryaya
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Om hraang hring hraung saha suryaya namaha
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantra Meditation - for Buck
Besides the difference in mantra-s, there is a difference in how the two meditations are done. In Sahaj practice, the understanding is that the mantra doesn't go anywhere so we don't actually lose the mantra. Because we were introduced to the mantra at initiation, it is naturally recognized and recollected when we sit down to meditate. However, if during meditation our attention has been absorbed in thoughts for a while without realizing it, then we just return to the mantra by recognizing it again. If we find our attention aware of thoughts occurring within the mind, that in itself, does not constitute a reason or a need to reintroduce the mantra. Just to rest in silent awareness, although there is no activity or object reference, is in itself meditation because awareness is fundamental while the mind is not. Or as SSRS has said, although you cannot know awareness, because it is not an object, you don't need to do so because you are that very awareness itself prior to mind and to the mind's experiences, whether objective or subjective. .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: The Power of Mantra Contrary to public misinformation, techniques like Transcendental Meditation or Sahaj Samadhi are not based on repetition. They utilize a much subtler science. Om, so are Transcendental Meditation and Sahaj Samadhi effectively the same? The similar practice? Just wondering. Anyone learned both? Anyone here taught both? -B vibrations of consciousness. Mantra carries the mind to the silence that was there before God said, Let there be light. In Sanskrit, mantra means vehicle for the mind: manas - mind, tra - vehicle. Tra is the root of our English suffix, tron. Electrons carry electricity. Positrons carry positivity. Mantras carry mind to its source.
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You may want to get drunk on something else.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Write the mantra daily It is a good practice to write at least one page of mantra daily. Many people get better concentration by writing than by chanting. Try also to inculcate in children the habit of chanting and neatly writing the mantra. This will help to improve their handwriting, too. The book in which the mantra is written should not be thrown around; it should be carefully kept in our meditation or shrine room.
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By virtue of their experience: Amma says true meditation is a state of the mind, an experience. Those who pray to God [the Unified Field} and meditate on Him [It} sincerely will not feel a shortage of anything that is essential. That is God's resolve. It is Amma's own experience. Constant thought directed to God [] is meditation, like the flow of a river. Meditation is good even for small children. Their intelligence will become clear, memory will increase and they will learn well. Children, you can find the secret of bliss when you think of the nature of the Self. The waves of the mind will subside. Everything is there in you already. -Amma Dear children, when you sit for meditation, do not think that you can still your mind immediately. At first, you should relax all parts of your body. Loosen your clothes if they are too tight. Make sure that the spine is erect. Then close your eyes and concentrate your mind on your breath. You should be aware of your inhalation and exhalation. We should become aware of the process. Then the mind will be wakeful. As you sit like that for a while, your mind will become calm. You can continue the meditation by focusing attention on your breath. Or you can start meditation on the form of your beloved deity. Worship becomes easy when we assign a specific form to Brahman (Absolute Reality), Manasa Puja (mental worship). -Ammachi It is always advisable to obtain a mantra from a Self-Realized Master (Sat-Guru). Until then we may use one of the mantras of our beloved deity like Om Namah Shivaya, Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya, Om Namo Narayanaya, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hari Om, Om Parashaktyai Namaha, Om Shivashaktyaikya Rupinyai Namaha or even the names of Christ, Allah or Buddha. -Ammachi Amma stresses that you need to have the conviction that there is nothing greater than remembering God. Then you will find the time even in the midst of all your work to do meditation. As soon as you get up, meditate for ten minutes. After your bath, meditate again for half an hour. In the beginning, it is enough to meditate for a short time. After that, you can do your chores. Any work you do with japa and constant remembrance of God is also meditation. -Ammachi Amma says that the purpose of mantra japa(chanting) is to lead us to the ultimate silence of the Self, from where all sounds and forms arise. Further, in the present age of materialism, chanting the mantra (japa), is the easiest way for us to obtain inner purification and concentration. -Ammachi Each syllable of a divine name - such as Krishna or Jesus - has vibrations which change the atmosphere. Any object that we think about repeatedly generates its own vibration. Even though mantras are strong and powerful, we may not feel the effects immediately but results will come. One can feel the differences in the vibrations of words. Using the word, one can make things change. -Mother Meera Close your eyes and sit in silence and do japa on any divine name. -Mother Meera Find a position to sit, on the floor or in a chair, that you will be comfortable in for an entire session. Use a position that will allow you to keep your backbone straight, with your head and neck aligned with your spine. When we sit upright with a straight spine, the energy generated by meditation can circulate freely throughout our body without being blocked. -Karunamayi As you start your meditation, Amma recommends that you can use a mantra to help silence and focus your mind. If you are accustomed to using only a particular mantra during meditation and would like to continue with that, please feel free to do so. -Karunamayi If you wish to continue with your mantra, it is not necessary to ask Amma if you should use it or Saraswati or Gayatri Mantra or not. Divine Mother has blessed you with abundant powers of intellect and spiritual discrimination. You are welcome to use your discrimination to decide which mantra you feel is best. -Karunamayi What ever you decide, it
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Children, you can find the secret of bliss when you think of the nature of the Self. The waves of the mind will subside. Everything is there in you already. -Amma Dear children, when you sit for meditation, do not think that you can still your mind immediately. At first, you should relax all parts of your body. Loosen your clothes if they are too tight. Make sure that the spine is erect. Then close your eyes and concentrate your mind on your breath. You should be aware of your inhalation and exhalation. We should become aware of the process. Then the mind will be wakeful. As you sit like that for a while, your mind will become calm. You can continue the meditation by focusing attention on your breath. Or you can start meditation on the form of your beloved deity. Worship becomes easy when we assign a specific form to Brahman (Absolute Reality), Manasa Puja (mental worship). -Ammachi It is always advisable to obtain a mantra from a Self-Realized Master (Sat-Guru). Until then we may use one of the mantras of our beloved deity like Om Namah Shivaya, Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya, Om Namo Narayanaya, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hari Om, Om Parashaktyai Namaha, Om Shivashaktyaikya Rupinyai Namaha or even the names of Christ, Allah or Buddha. -Ammachi Amma stresses that you need to have the conviction that there is nothing greater than remembering God. Then you will find the time even in the midst of all your work to do meditation. As soon as you get up, meditate for ten minutes. After your bath, meditate again for half an hour. In the beginning, it is enough to meditate for a short time. After that, you can do your chores. Any work you do with japa and constant remembrance of God is also meditation. -Ammachi Amma says that the purpose of mantra japa(chanting) is to lead us to the ultimate silence of the Self, from where all sounds and forms arise. Further, in the present age of materialism, chanting the mantra (japa), is the easiest way for us to obtain inner purification and concentration. -Ammachi Each syllable of a divine name - such as Krishna or Jesus - has vibrations which change the atmosphere. Any object that we think about repeatedly generates its own vibration. Even though mantras are strong and powerful, we may not feel the effects immediately but results will come. One can feel the differences in the vibrations of words. Using the word, one can make things change. -Mother Meera Close your eyes and sit in silence and do japa on any divine name. -Mother Meera Find a position to sit, on the floor or in a chair, that you will be comfortable in for an entire session. Use a position that will allow you to keep your backbone straight, with your head and neck aligned with your spine. When we sit upright with a straight spine, the energy generated by meditation can circulate freely throughout our body without being blocked. -Karunamayi As you start your meditation, Amma recommends that you can use a mantra to help silence and focus your mind. If you are accustomed to using only a particular mantra during meditation and would like to continue with that, please feel free to do so. -Karunamayi If you wish to continue with your mantra, it is not necessary to ask Amma if you should use it or Saraswati or Gayatri Mantra or not. Divine Mother has blessed you with abundant powers of intellect and spiritual discrimination. You are welcome to use your discrimination to decide which mantra you feel is best. -Karunamayi What ever you decide, it is important to come to meditation without any doubts or questions. -Karunamayi If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. My sweet child, meditate. Experience your true self. Silence is elegance. My baby, be silent and hear the voice of the soul
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Children, you can find the secret of bliss when you think of the nature of the Self. The waves of the mind will subside. Everything is there in you already. -Amma I've decided to boycott the statements of any other adult who tries to call me one of her children. I am too old for that assumptive jiu-jitsu concerning our development. You were born 4 years ahead of me, and the last 5 decades has leveled that playing field really well. While you have been hugging, I have been reading. Sorry Amma, you are not old enough to be my mother and I am too old to be your child. The disparity in our knowledge base is not represented by a mother and her child, although you seem determined to sell that POV. If you are an expert in your field you can address me the way any other expert in other fields addresses me, with the adult respect that implies I'm OK, you're OK and we are both adults here. You can make your pitch for your expertise as one adult to another. I pay someone way too much money to come to my home to feed me my baba and change my diddies when I have been a dirty boy to hear this routine from you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Children, you can find the secret of bliss when you think of the nature of the Self. The waves of the mind will subside. Everything is there in you already. -Amma Dear children, when you sit for meditation, do not think that you can still your mind immediately. At first, you should relax all parts of your body. Loosen your clothes if they are too tight. Make sure that the spine is erect. Then close your eyes and concentrate your mind on your breath. You should be aware of your inhalation and exhalation. We should become aware of the process. Then the mind will be wakeful. As you sit like that for a while, your mind will become calm. You can continue the meditation by focusing attention on your breath. Or you can start meditation on the form of your beloved deity. Worship becomes easy when we assign a specific form to Brahman (Absolute Reality), Manasa Puja (mental worship). -Ammachi It is always advisable to obtain a mantra from a Self-Realized Master (Sat-Guru). Until then we may use one of the mantras of our beloved deity like Om Namah Shivaya, Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya, Om Namo Narayanaya, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hari Om, Om Parashaktyai Namaha, Om Shivashaktyaikya Rupinyai Namaha or even the names of Christ, Allah or Buddha. -Ammachi Amma stresses that you need to have the conviction that there is nothing greater than remembering God. Then you will find the time even in the midst of all your work to do meditation. As soon as you get up, meditate for ten minutes. After your bath, meditate again for half an hour. In the beginning, it is enough to meditate for a short time. After that, you can do your chores. Any work you do with japa and constant remembrance of God is also meditation. -Ammachi Amma says that the purpose of mantra japa(chanting) is to lead us to the ultimate silence of the Self, from where all sounds and forms arise. Further, in the present age of materialism, chanting the mantra (japa), is the easiest way for us to obtain inner purification and concentration. -Ammachi Each syllable of a divine name - such as Krishna or Jesus - has vibrations which change the atmosphere. Any object that we think about repeatedly generates its own vibration. Even though mantras are strong and powerful, we may not feel the effects immediately but results will come. One can feel the differences in the vibrations of words. Using the word, one can make things change. -Mother Meera Close your eyes and sit in silence and do japa on any divine name. -Mother Meera Find a position to sit, on the floor or in a chair, that you will be comfortable in for an entire session. Use a position that will allow you to keep your backbone straight, with your head and neck aligned with your spine. When we sit upright with a straight spine, the energy generated by meditation can circulate freely throughout our body without being blocked. -Karunamayi As you start your meditation, Amma recommends that you can use a mantra to help silence and focus your mind. If you are accustomed to using only a particular mantra during meditation and would like to continue with that, please feel free to do
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Amma says true meditation is a state of the mind, an experience. Those who pray to God [the Unified Field} and meditate on Him [It} sincerely will not feel a shortage of anything that is essential. That is God's resolve. It is Amma's own experience. Constant thought directed to God [] is meditation, like the flow of a river. Meditation is good even for small children. Their intelligence will become clear, memory will increase and they will learn well. Children, you can find the secret of bliss when you think of the nature of the Self. The waves of the mind will subside. Everything is there in you already. -Amma Dear children, when you sit for meditation, do not think that you can still your mind immediately. At first, you should relax all parts of your body. Loosen your clothes if they are too tight. Make sure that the spine is erect. Then close your eyes and concentrate your mind on your breath. You should be aware of your inhalation and exhalation. We should become aware of the process. Then the mind will be wakeful. As you sit like that for a while, your mind will become calm. You can continue the meditation by focusing attention on your breath. Or you can start meditation on the form of your beloved deity. Worship becomes easy when we assign a specific form to Brahman (Absolute Reality), Manasa Puja (mental worship). -Ammachi It is always advisable to obtain a mantra from a Self-Realized Master (Sat-Guru). Until then we may use one of the mantras of our beloved deity like Om Namah Shivaya, Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya, Om Namo Narayanaya, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hari Om, Om Parashaktyai Namaha, Om Shivashaktyaikya Rupinyai Namaha or even the names of Christ, Allah or Buddha. -Ammachi Amma stresses that you need to have the conviction that there is nothing greater than remembering God. Then you will find the time even in the midst of all your work to do meditation. As soon as you get up, meditate for ten minutes. After your bath, meditate again for half an hour. In the beginning, it is enough to meditate for a short time. After that, you can do your chores. Any work you do with japa and constant remembrance of God is also meditation. -Ammachi Amma says that the purpose of mantra japa(chanting) is to lead us to the ultimate silence of the Self, from where all sounds and forms arise. Further, in the present age of materialism, chanting the mantra (japa), is the easiest way for us to obtain inner purification and concentration. -Ammachi Each syllable of a divine name - such as Krishna or Jesus - has vibrations which change the atmosphere. Any object that we think about repeatedly generates its own vibration. Even though mantras are strong and powerful, we may not feel the effects immediately but results will come. One can feel the differences in the vibrations of words. Using the word, one can make things change. -Mother Meera Close your eyes and sit in silence and do japa on any divine name. -Mother Meera Find a position to sit, on the floor or in a chair, that you will be comfortable in for an entire session. Use a position that will allow you to keep your backbone straight, with your head and neck aligned with your spine. When we sit upright with a straight spine, the energy generated by meditation can circulate freely throughout our body without being blocked. -Karunamayi As you start your meditation, Amma recommends that you can use a mantra to help silence and focus your mind. If you are accustomed to using only a particular mantra during meditation and would like to continue with that, please feel free to do so. -Karunamayi If you wish to continue with your mantra, it is not necessary to ask Amma if you should use it or Saraswati or Gayatri Mantra or not. Divine Mother has blessed you with abundant powers of intellect and spiritual discrimination. You are welcome to use your discrimination to decide which mantra you feel is best. -Karunamayi What ever you decide, it is important to come to meditation without any doubts or questions. -Karunamayi
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I do think you are getting worked up. I got a mantra in 1995 when I first met her but never chanted it much because it only made fall asleep and I have never been fascinated with chanting mantras as a spiritual practice. But I hate to tell you the bad news, regardless of whether you chant your mantra or not, whether you go see Amma again or not, the seed of spirituality has been planted in you, the spiritual power of Ammachi is such. You are on the fast path to self-knowledge and you will not be truly content again till you end with self knowledge. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: I went through the process and received a mantra from Amma.  But, I will not chant it or repeat it. However, I appreciate all these nudges, because I do believe meditation is a large part of the answer and the message from the saints is a worthy one for me.  I am about to be incredibly and excruciatingly redundant and will not state all this again, after this time.  I did my best to research it...it is a simple seed mantra, which could be deemed appropriate, in hindsight.  I just feel incredibly foolish chanting it and it simply doesn't resonate.  But there are other meditation methods that do, that I have done in the past.  Part of my story was that I was on stage waiting for her to whisper my personal mantra in my ear and when she did, the woman to the side of her pulled a pre-printed mantra from a recipe box and gave it to me.  Then, our group was guided off to a circle to meet with a Swami, who was going to explain it to us.  We were all in a circle, and he told us that each of our mantras had a special secret meaning and we had to put our hands over our ears while he told each person what theirs meant.  Because of the loud music, he had to raise his voice and I could hear (although I had my hands over my ears as instructed).  All of the mantras, including mine, meant one of two things as translated by him:  I bow down to the divine Mother was mine. All those mantrasand they all meant the same thing, basically.  And, we weren't supposed to chant it just during our IAM meditation - it represented another 30 minutes and also was to be kept in our minds all day, all the time...thinking of Amma constantly. I felt like I was signing up for something far greater than I had anticipated or understood (religious text and subtext-wise).  I wondered why it was all so secret.  Clearly I missed something.  I am not ready, my ego is in the way, I should just repeat and not question...I was told all these things. I don't deny that these things may all be true at this juncture in life.  Although I say I am big picture, I am splitting hairs here.  If the divine Mother is Amma and the weekend message made it abundantly clear that she was and also God, I cannot bow down...she is human, not God to me. It's pretty simple and this concept is a nauseatingly redundant theme for me on this forum, so I will stop. I realized part of the way through the exercise that I was in trouble and out of integrity, as we were told that by accepting the mantra we agreed that Amma would be our guide, through this lifetime and the subsequent ones.  I should have left the circle at that time, but didn't, as I felt like I was almost out of my body and I was having trouble moving.  There was someone who had a tradition in Jesus, who did leave.  In the end, from the larger perspective..I choose not to demonize Amma...she has helped many and her message on the face of it is about connection to God and compassion for all. But...for me...while I choose to meditate, because my wayâ without it is not working - Iâm not going to consult a Satguru.  Maybe in my next lifetime, as I like to say, because, honestly, I don't know. --- On Sat, 8/13/11, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mantra Meditation To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 8:17 PM  It is always advisable to obtain a mantra from a Self-Realized Master (Sat-Guru). Until then we may use one of the mantras of our beloved deity like Om Namah Shivaya, Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya, Om Namo Narayanaya, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hari Om, Om Parashaktyai Namaha, Om Shivashaktyaikya Rupinyai Namaha or even the names of Christ, Allah or Buddha. -Ammachi Amma stresses that you need to have the conviction that there is nothing greater than remembering God. Then you will find the time even in the midst of all your work to do meditation. As soon as you get up, meditate for ten minutes. After your bath, meditate again for half an hour. In the beginning, it is enough to meditate for a short time. After that, you can do your chores. Any work you do with japa and constant remembrance of God
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Dear children, when you sit for meditation, do not think that you can still your mind immediately. At first, you should relax all parts of your body. Loosen your clothes if they are too tight. Make sure that the spine is erect. Then close your eyes and concentrate your mind on your breath. You should be aware of your inhalation and exhalation. We should become aware of the process. Then the mind will be wakeful. As you sit like that for a while, your mind will become calm. You can continue the meditation by focusing attention on your breath. Or you can start meditation on the form of your beloved deity. Worship becomes easy when we assign a specific form to Brahman (Absolute Reality), Manasa Puja (mental worship). -Ammachi It is always advisable to obtain a mantra from a Self-Realized Master (Sat-Guru). Until then we may use one of the mantras of our beloved deity like Om Namah Shivaya, Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya, Om Namo Narayanaya, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hari Om, Om Parashaktyai Namaha, Om Shivashaktyaikya Rupinyai Namaha or even the names of Christ, Allah or Buddha. -Ammachi Amma stresses that you need to have the conviction that there is nothing greater than remembering God. Then you will find the time even in the midst of all your work to do meditation. As soon as you get up, meditate for ten minutes. After your bath, meditate again for half an hour. In the beginning, it is enough to meditate for a short time. After that, you can do your chores. Any work you do with japa and constant remembrance of God is also meditation. -Ammachi Amma says that the purpose of mantra japa(chanting) is to lead us to the ultimate silence of the Self, from where all sounds and forms arise. Further, in the present age of materialism, chanting the mantra (japa), is the easiest way for us to obtain inner purification and concentration. -Ammachi Each syllable of a divine name - such as Krishna or Jesus - has vibrations which change the atmosphere. Any object that we think about repeatedly generates its own vibration. Even though mantras are strong and powerful, we may not feel the effects immediately but results will come. One can feel the differences in the vibrations of words. Using the word, one can make things change. -Mother Meera Close your eyes and sit in silence and do japa on any divine name. -Mother Meera Find a position to sit, on the floor or in a chair, that you will be comfortable in for an entire session. Use a position that will allow you to keep your backbone straight, with your head and neck aligned with your spine. When we sit upright with a straight spine, the energy generated by meditation can circulate freely throughout our body without being blocked. -Karunamayi As you start your meditation, Amma recommends that you can use a mantra to help silence and focus your mind. If you are accustomed to using only a particular mantra during meditation and would like to continue with that, please feel free to do so. -Karunamayi If you wish to continue with your mantra, it is not necessary to ask Amma if you should use it or Saraswati or Gayatri Mantra or not. Divine Mother has blessed you with abundant powers of intellect and spiritual discrimination. You are welcome to use your discrimination to decide which mantra you feel is best. -Karunamayi What ever you decide, it is important to come to meditation without any doubts or questions. -Karunamayi If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. My sweet child, meditate. Experience your true self. Silence is elegance. My baby, be silent and hear the voice of the soul within you. Silence is the foundation for self-realization. It does not matter what you believe if you are only in silence. Silence is honesty in heart. -Karunamayi My sweet children seek the light through truth.
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Amma says that the purpose of mantra japa(chanting) is to lead us to the ultimate silence of the Self, from where all sounds and forms arise. Further, in the present age of materialism, chanting the mantra (japa), is the easiest way for us to obtain inner purification and concentration. -Ammachi Each syllable of a divine name - such as Krishna or Jesus - has vibrations which change the atmosphere. Any object that we think about repeatedly generates its own vibration. Even though mantras are strong and powerful, we may not feel the effects immediately but results will come. One can feel the differences in the vibrations of words. Using the word, one can make things change. -Mother Meera Close your eyes and sit in silence and do japa on any divine name. -Mother Meera Find a position to sit, on the floor or in a chair, that you will be comfortable in for an entire session. Use a position that will allow you to keep your backbone straight, with your head and neck aligned with your spine. When we sit upright with a straight spine, the energy generated by meditation can circulate freely throughout our body without being blocked. -Karunamayi As you start your meditation, Amma recommends that you can use a mantra to help silence and focus your mind. If you are accustomed to using only a particular mantra during meditation and would like to continue with that, please feel free to do so. -Karunamayi If you wish to continue with your mantra, it is not necessary to ask Amma if you should use it or Saraswati or Gayatri Mantra or not. Divine Mother has blessed you with abundant powers of intellect and spiritual discrimination. You are welcome to use your discrimination to decide which mantra you feel is best. -Karunamayi What ever you decide, it is important to come to meditation without any doubts or questions. -Karunamayi If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. My sweet child, meditate. Experience your true self. Silence is elegance. My baby, be silent and hear the voice of the soul within you. Silence is the foundation for self-realization. It does not matter what you believe if you are only in silence. Silence is honesty in heart. -Karunamayi My sweet children seek the light through truth. Truth is known only by your wise heart. The supreme truth is in the heart of everyone. Only a few can practice meditation continuously, but I am expecting everyone to practice meditation sincerely. -Karunamayi Time ill spent, is life wasted away. Burst with divine grace at every step. Be still in meditation; realize the truth. Keep out of worldly temptations, and control negative thoughts one by one. Truth leads and purifies your heart. Your meditation power transforms your life into truth and divinity. -Karunamayi Meditate every day. Be humble. Humility embraces all of the other qualities. In the great battle of life, the difficulties broaden. Have full trust; trust your meditation power. Truth is all for life. Meditation leads life from ignorance to wisdom, from weakness to strength, from disharmony to harmony, from hatred to love, from want to fullness, from limitations to boundlessness, from diversity to unity and from imperfection to perfection. As a way of life meditation deepens your understanding and enables you to know your true Self. -Karunamayi Meditation gives discipline, poise and tranquility; it miraculously rebuilds one's life. -karunamayi Control of the mind and senses is meditation. Meditation is a simple path for all faiths. -Karunamayi The meditation is in the silence that follows the mantra. -Karunamayi
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Amma stresses that you need to have the conviction that there is nothing greater than remembering God. Then you will find the time even in the midst of all your work to do meditation. As soon as you get up, meditate for ten minutes. After your bath, meditate again for half an hour. In the beginning, it is enough to meditate for a short time. After that, you can do your chores. Any work you do with japa and constant remembrance of God is also meditation. -Ammachi Amma says that the purpose of mantra japa(chanting) is to lead us to the ultimate silence of the Self, from where all sounds and forms arise. Further, in the present age of materialism, chanting the mantra (japa), is the easiest way for us to obtain inner purification and concentration. -Ammachi Each syllable of a divine name - such as Krishna or Jesus - has vibrations which change the atmosphere. Any object that we think about repeatedly generates its own vibration. Even though mantras are strong and powerful, we may not feel the effects immediately but results will come. One can feel the differences in the vibrations of words. Using the word, one can make things change. -Mother Meera Close your eyes and sit in silence and do japa on any divine name. -Mother Meera Find a position to sit, on the floor or in a chair, that you will be comfortable in for an entire session. Use a position that will allow you to keep your backbone straight, with your head and neck aligned with your spine. When we sit upright with a straight spine, the energy generated by meditation can circulate freely throughout our body without being blocked. -Karunamayi As you start your meditation, Amma recommends that you can use a mantra to help silence and focus your mind. If you are accustomed to using only a particular mantra during meditation and would like to continue with that, please feel free to do so. -Karunamayi If you wish to continue with your mantra, it is not necessary to ask Amma if you should use it or Saraswati or Gayatri Mantra or not. Divine Mother has blessed you with abundant powers of intellect and spiritual discrimination. You are welcome to use your discrimination to decide which mantra you feel is best. -Karunamayi What ever you decide, it is important to come to meditation without any doubts or questions. -Karunamayi If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. My sweet child, meditate. Experience your true self. Silence is elegance. My baby, be silent and hear the voice of the soul within you. Silence is the foundation for self-realization. It does not matter what you believe if you are only in silence. Silence is honesty in heart. -Karunamayi My sweet children seek the light through truth. Truth is known only by your wise heart. The supreme truth is in the heart of everyone. Only a few can practice meditation continuously, but I am expecting everyone to practice meditation sincerely. -Karunamayi Time ill spent, is life wasted away. Burst with divine grace at every step. Be still in meditation; realize the truth. Keep out of worldly temptations, and control negative thoughts one by one. Truth leads and purifies your heart. Your meditation power transforms your life into truth and divinity. -Karunamayi Meditate every day. Be humble. Humility embraces all of the other qualities. In the great battle of life, the difficulties broaden. Have full trust; trust your meditation power. Truth is all for life. Meditation leads life from ignorance to wisdom, from weakness to strength, from disharmony to harmony, from hatred to love, from want to fullness, from limitations to boundlessness, from diversity to unity and from imperfection to perfection. As a way of life meditation deepens your understanding and enables you to know your true
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Thank you. --- On Sat, 8/13/11, Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mantra Meditation To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 6:52 PM Amma stresses that you need to have the conviction that there is nothing greater than remembering God. Then you will find the time even in the midst of all your work to do meditation. As soon as you get up, meditate for ten minutes. After your bath, meditate again for half an hour. In the beginning, it is enough to meditate for a short time. After that, you can do your chores. Any work you do with japa and constant remembrance of God is also meditation. -Ammachi Amma says that the purpose of mantra japa(chanting) is to lead us to the ultimate silence of the Self, from where all sounds and forms arise. Further, in the present age of materialism, chanting the mantra (japa), is the easiest way for us to obtain inner purification and concentration. -Ammachi Each syllable of a divine name - such as Krishna or Jesus - has vibrations which change the atmosphere. Any object that we think about repeatedly generates its own vibration. Even though mantras are strong and powerful, we may not feel the effects immediately but results will come. One can feel the differences in the vibrations of words. Using the word, one can make things change. -Mother Meera Close your eyes and sit in silence and do japa on any divine name. -Mother Meera Find a position to sit, on the floor or in a chair, that you will be comfortable in for an entire session. Use a position that will allow you to keep your backbone straight, with your head and neck aligned with your spine. When we sit upright with a straight spine, the energy generated by meditation can circulate freely throughout our body without being blocked. -Karunamayi As you start your meditation, Amma recommends that you can use a mantra to help silence and focus your mind. If you are accustomed to using only a particular mantra during meditation and would like to continue with that, please feel free to do so. -Karunamayi If you wish to continue with your mantra, it is not necessary to ask Amma if you should use it or Saraswati or Gayatri Mantra or not. Divine Mother has blessed you with abundant powers of intellect and spiritual discrimination. You are welcome to use your discrimination to decide which mantra you feel is best. -Karunamayi What ever you decide, it is important to come to meditation without any doubts or questions. -Karunamayi If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. My sweet child, meditate. Experience your true self. Silence is elegance. My baby, be silent and hear the voice of the soul within you. Silence is the foundation for self-realization. It does not matter what you believe if you are only in silence. Silence is honesty in heart. -Karunamayi My sweet children seek the light through truth. Truth is known only by your wise heart. The supreme truth is in the heart of everyone. Only a few can practice meditation continuously, but I am expecting everyone to practice meditation sincerely. -Karunamayi Time ill spent, is life wasted away. Burst with divine grace at every step. Be still in meditation; realize the truth. Keep out of worldly temptations, and control negative thoughts one by one. Truth leads and purifies your heart. Your meditation power transforms your life into truth and divinity. -Karunamayi Meditate every day. Be humble. Humility embraces all of the other qualities. In the great battle of life, the difficulties broaden. Have full trust; trust your meditation power. Truth is all for life. Meditation leads life from ignorance to wisdom, from weakness to strength, from disharmony to harmony, from hatred
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It is always advisable to obtain a mantra from a Self-Realized Master (Sat-Guru). Until then we may use one of the mantras of our beloved deity like Om Namah Shivaya, Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya, Om Namo Narayanaya, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hari Om, Om Parashaktyai Namaha, Om Shivashaktyaikya Rupinyai Namaha or even the names of Christ, Allah or Buddha. -Ammachi Amma stresses that you need to have the conviction that there is nothing greater than remembering God. Then you will find the time even in the midst of all your work to do meditation. As soon as you get up, meditate for ten minutes. After your bath, meditate again for half an hour. In the beginning, it is enough to meditate for a short time. After that, you can do your chores. Any work you do with japa and constant remembrance of God is also meditation. -Ammachi Amma says that the purpose of mantra japa(chanting) is to lead us to the ultimate silence of the Self, from where all sounds and forms arise. Further, in the present age of materialism, chanting the mantra (japa), is the easiest way for us to obtain inner purification and concentration. -Ammachi Each syllable of a divine name - such as Krishna or Jesus - has vibrations which change the atmosphere. Any object that we think about repeatedly generates its own vibration. Even though mantras are strong and powerful, we may not feel the effects immediately but results will come. One can feel the differences in the vibrations of words. Using the word, one can make things change. -Mother Meera Close your eyes and sit in silence and do japa on any divine name. -Mother Meera Find a position to sit, on the floor or in a chair, that you will be comfortable in for an entire session. Use a position that will allow you to keep your backbone straight, with your head and neck aligned with your spine. When we sit upright with a straight spine, the energy generated by meditation can circulate freely throughout our body without being blocked. -Karunamayi As you start your meditation, Amma recommends that you can use a mantra to help silence and focus your mind. If you are accustomed to using only a particular mantra during meditation and would like to continue with that, please feel free to do so. -Karunamayi If you wish to continue with your mantra, it is not necessary to ask Amma if you should use it or Saraswati or Gayatri Mantra or not. Divine Mother has blessed you with abundant powers of intellect and spiritual discrimination. You are welcome to use your discrimination to decide which mantra you feel is best. -Karunamayi What ever you decide, it is important to come to meditation without any doubts or questions. -Karunamayi If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. My sweet child, meditate. Experience your true self. Silence is elegance. My baby, be silent and hear the voice of the soul within you. Silence is the foundation for self-realization. It does not matter what you believe if you are only in silence. Silence is honesty in heart. -Karunamayi My sweet children seek the light through truth. Truth is known only by your wise heart. The supreme truth is in the heart of everyone. Only a few can practice meditation continuously, but I am expecting everyone to practice meditation sincerely. -Karunamayi Time ill spent, is life wasted away. Burst with divine grace at every step. Be still in meditation; realize the truth. Keep out of worldly temptations, and control negative thoughts one by one. Truth leads and purifies your heart. Your meditation power transforms your life into truth and divinity. -Karunamayi Meditate every day. Be humble. Humility embraces all of the other qualities. In the
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I went through the process and received a mantra from Amma. But, I will not chant it or repeat it. However, I appreciate all these nudges, because I do believe meditation is a large part of the answer and the message from the saints is a worthy one for me. I am about to be incredibly and excruciatingly redundant and will not state all this again, after this time. I did my best to research it...it is a simple seed mantra, which could be deemed appropriate, in hindsight. I just feel incredibly foolish chanting it and it simply doesn't resonate. But there are other meditation methods that do, that I have done in the past. Part of my story was that I was on stage waiting for her to whisper my personal mantra in my ear and when she did, the woman to the side of her pulled a pre-printed mantra from a recipe box and gave it to me. Then, our group was guided off to a circle to meet with a Swami, who was going to explain it to us. We were all in a circle, and he told us that each of our mantras had a special secret meaning and we had to put our hands over our ears while he told each person what theirs meant. Because of the loud music, he had to raise his voice and I could hear (although I had my hands over my ears as instructed). All of the mantras, including mine, meant one of two things as translated by him: I bow down to the divine Mother was mine. All those mantrasand they all meant the same thing, basically. And, we weren't supposed to chant it just during our IAM meditation - it represented another 30 minutes and also was to be kept in our minds all day, all the time...thinking of Amma constantly. I felt like I was signing up for something far greater than I had anticipated or understood (religious text and subtext-wise). I wondered why it was all so secret. Clearly I missed something. I am not ready, my ego is in the way, I should just repeat and not question...I was told all these things. I don't deny that these things may all be true at this juncture in life. Although I say I am big picture, I am splitting hairs here. If the divine Mother is Amma and the weekend message made it abundantly clear that she was and also God, I cannot bow down...she is human, not God to me. It's pretty simple and this concept is a nauseatingly redundant theme for me on this forum, so I will stop. I realized part of the way through the exercise that I was in trouble and out of integrity, as we were told that by accepting the mantra we agreed that Amma would be our guide, through this lifetime and the subsequent ones. I should have left the circle at that time, but didn't, as I felt like I was almost out of my body and I was having trouble moving. There was someone who had a tradition in Jesus, who did leave. In the end, from the larger perspective..I choose not to demonize Amma...she has helped many and her message on the face of it is about connection to God and compassion for all. But...for me...while I choose to meditate, because my way” without it is not working - I’m not going to consult a Satguru. Maybe in my next lifetime, as I like to say, because, honestly, I don't know. --- On Sat, 8/13/11, Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mantra Meditation To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 8:17 PM It is always advisable to obtain a mantra from a Self-Realized Master (Sat-Guru). Until then we may use one of the mantras of our beloved deity like Om Namah Shivaya, Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya, Om Namo Narayanaya, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hari Om, Om Parashaktyai Namaha, Om Shivashaktyaikya Rupinyai Namaha or even the names of Christ, Allah or Buddha. -Ammachi Amma stresses that you need to have the conviction that there is nothing greater than remembering God. Then you will find the time even in the midst of all your work to do meditation. As soon as you get up, meditate for ten minutes. After your bath, meditate again for half an hour. In the beginning, it is enough to meditate for a short time. After that, you can do your chores. Any work you do with japa and constant remembrance of God is also meditation. -Ammachi Amma says that the purpose of mantra japa(chanting) is to lead us to the ultimate silence of the Self, from where all sounds and forms arise. Further, in the present age of materialism, chanting the mantra (japa), is the easiest way for us to obtain inner purification and concentration. -Ammachi Each syllable of a divine name - such as Krishna or Jesus - has vibrations which change the atmosphere. Any object that we think about repeatedly generates its own vibration. Even though mantras are strong and powerful, we may not feel the effects
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Close your eyes and sit in silence and do japa on any divine name. -Mother Meera Find a position to sit, on the floor or in a chair, that you will be comfortable in for an entire session. Use a position that will allow you to keep your backbone straight, with your head and neck aligned with your spine. When we sit upright with a straight spine, the energy generated by meditation can circulate freely throughout our body without being blocked. -Karunamayi As you start your meditation, Amma recommends that you can use a mantra to help silence and focus your mind. If you are accustomed to using only a particular mantra during meditation and would like to continue with that, please feel free to do so. -Karunamayi If you wish to continue with your mantra, it is not necessary to ask Amma if you should use it or Saraswati or Gayatri Mantra or not. Divine Mother has blessed you with abundant powers of intellect and spiritual discrimination. You are welcome to use your discrimination to decide which mantra you feel is best. -Karunamayi What ever you decide, it is important to come to meditation without any doubts or questions. -Karunamayi If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. My sweet child, meditate. Experience your true self. Silence is elegance. My baby, be silent and hear the voice of the soul within you. Silence is the foundation for self-realization. It does not matter what you believe if you are only in silence. Silence is honesty in heart. -Karunamayi My sweet children seek the light through truth. Truth is known only by your wise heart. The supreme truth is in the heart of everyone. Only a few can practice meditation continuously, but I am expecting everyone to practice meditation sincerely. -Karunamayi Time ill spent, is life wasted away. Burst with divine grace at every step. Be still in meditation; realize the truth. Keep out of worldly temptations, and control negative thoughts one by one. Truth leads and purifies your heart. Your meditation power transforms your life into truth and divinity. -Karunamayi Meditate every day. Be humble. Humility embraces all of the other qualities. In the great battle of life, the difficulties broaden. Have full trust; trust your meditation power. Truth is all for life. Meditation leads life from ignorance to wisdom, from weakness to strength, from disharmony to harmony, from hatred to love, from want to fullness, from limitations to boundlessness, from diversity to unity and from imperfection to perfection. As a way of life meditation deepens your understanding and enables you to know your true Self. -Karunamayi Meditation gives discipline, poise and tranquility; it miraculously rebuilds one's life. -karunamayi Control of the mind and senses is meditation. Meditation is a simple path for all faiths. -Karunamayi The meditation is in the silence that follows the mantra. -Karunamayi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance. Now then, what is the mantra? The mantra is the Word in reverse. As the Word impels silence outward into creation, so the mantra draws creation back to its silent source, settling vibrations in primordial stillness. Through mantra, wave returns to sea, mind returns to God. When the mantra has done its work in you, you won't be repeating anything. Your awareness will rest in God, floating in eternal silence, the silence before creation. Original innocence will irradiate your heart with the light of joy. This is real meditation. Therefor, let us not do meditation. Let us not-do meditation. --- In
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Each syllable of a divine name - such as Krishna or Jesus - has vibrations which change the atmosphere. Any object that we think about repeatedly generates its own vibration. Even though mantras are strong and powerful, we may not feel the effects immediately but results will come. One can feel the differences in the vibrations of words. Using the word, one can make things change. -Mother Meera Close your eyes and sit in silence and do japa on any divine name. -Mother Meera Find a position to sit, on the floor or in a chair, that you will be comfortable in for an entire session. Use a position that will allow you to keep your backbone straight, with your head and neck aligned with your spine. When we sit upright with a straight spine, the energy generated by meditation can circulate freely throughout our body without being blocked. -Karunamayi As you start your meditation, Amma recommends that you can use a mantra to help silence and focus your mind. If you are accustomed to using only a particular mantra during meditation and would like to continue with that, please feel free to do so. -Karunamayi If you wish to continue with your mantra, it is not necessary to ask Amma if you should use it or Saraswati or Gayatri Mantra or not. Divine Mother has blessed you with abundant powers of intellect and spiritual discrimination. You are welcome to use your discrimination to decide which mantra you feel is best. -Karunamayi What ever you decide, it is important to come to meditation without any doubts or questions. -Karunamayi If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. My sweet child, meditate. Experience your true self. Silence is elegance. My baby, be silent and hear the voice of the soul within you. Silence is the foundation for self-realization. It does not matter what you believe if you are only in silence. Silence is honesty in heart. -Karunamayi My sweet children seek the light through truth. Truth is known only by your wise heart. The supreme truth is in the heart of everyone. Only a few can practice meditation continuously, but I am expecting everyone to practice meditation sincerely. -Karunamayi Time ill spent, is life wasted away. Burst with divine grace at every step. Be still in meditation; realize the truth. Keep out of worldly temptations, and control negative thoughts one by one. Truth leads and purifies your heart. Your meditation power transforms your life into truth and divinity. -Karunamayi Meditate every day. Be humble. Humility embraces all of the other qualities. In the great battle of life, the difficulties broaden. Have full trust; trust your meditation power. Truth is all for life. Meditation leads life from ignorance to wisdom, from weakness to strength, from disharmony to harmony, from hatred to love, from want to fullness, from limitations to boundlessness, from diversity to unity and from imperfection to perfection. As a way of life meditation deepens your understanding and enables you to know your true Self. -Karunamayi Meditation gives discipline, poise and tranquility; it miraculously rebuilds one's life. -karunamayi Control of the mind and senses is meditation. Meditation is a simple path for all faiths. -Karunamayi The meditation is in the silence that follows the mantra. -Karunamayi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance. Now then, what is the mantra? The mantra is the Word in reverse. As the Word impels silence outward into creation, so the mantra draws creation back to its silent source, settling vibrations in primordial stillness. Through mantra, wave returns to sea, mind
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It is enough to have the feeling. But it is good to mentally repeat the name of the Divine as well, because doing this trains the mind and heart. -Mother Meera Each syllable of a divine name - such as Krishna or Jesus - has vibrations which change the atmosphere. Any object that we think about repeatedly generates its own vibration. Even though mantras are strong and powerful, we may not feel the effects immediately but results will come. One can feel the differences in the vibrations of words. Using the word, one can make things change. -Mother Meera Close your eyes and sit in silence and do japa on any divine name. -Mother Meera Find a position to sit, on the floor or in a chair, that you will be comfortable in for an entire session. Use a position that will allow you to keep your backbone straight, with your head and neck aligned with your spine. When we sit upright with a straight spine, the energy generated by meditation can circulate freely throughout our body without being blocked. -Karunamayi As you start your meditation, Amma recommends that you can use a mantra to help silence and focus your mind. If you are accustomed to using only a particular mantra during meditation and would like to continue with that, please feel free to do so. -Karunamayi If you wish to continue with your mantra, it is not necessary to ask Amma if you should use it or Saraswati or Gayatri Mantra or not. Divine Mother has blessed you with abundant powers of intellect and spiritual discrimination. You are welcome to use your discrimination to decide which mantra you feel is best. -Karunamayi What ever you decide, it is important to come to meditation without any doubts or questions. -Karunamayi If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. My sweet child, meditate. Experience your true self. Silence is elegance. My baby, be silent and hear the voice of the soul within you. Silence is the foundation for self-realization. It does not matter what you believe if you are only in silence. Silence is honesty in heart. -Karunamayi My sweet children seek the light through truth. Truth is known only by your wise heart. The supreme truth is in the heart of everyone. Only a few can practice meditation continuously, but I am expecting everyone to practice meditation sincerely. -Karunamayi Time ill spent, is life wasted away. Burst with divine grace at every step. Be still in meditation; realize the truth. Keep out of worldly temptations, and control negative thoughts one by one. Truth leads and purifies your heart. Your meditation power transforms your life into truth and divinity. -Karunamayi Meditate every day. Be humble. Humility embraces all of the other qualities. In the great battle of life, the difficulties broaden. Have full trust; trust your meditation power. Truth is all for life. Meditation leads life from ignorance to wisdom, from weakness to strength, from disharmony to harmony, from hatred to love, from want to fullness, from limitations to boundlessness, from diversity to unity and from imperfection to perfection. As a way of life meditation deepens your understanding and enables you to know your true Self. -Karunamayi Meditation gives discipline, poise and tranquility; it miraculously rebuilds one's life. -karunamayi Control of the mind and senses is meditation. Meditation is a simple path for all faiths. -Karunamayi The meditation is in the silence that follows the mantra. -Karunamayi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance. Now then, what is the mantra? The mantra is the Word in reverse.
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Like Mother Meera both the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches have a long tradition of transcending on the name Jesus below is from the catechism of the Roman Catholic church. CCC 2666 But the one name that contains everything is the one that the Son of God received in his incarnation: JESUS. The divine name may not be spoken by human lips, but by assuming our humanity The Word of God hands it over to us and we can invoke it: Jesus, YHWH saves. The name Jesus contains all: God and man and the whole economy of creation and salvation. To pray Jesus is to invoke him and to call him within us. His name is the only one that contains the presence it signifies. Jesus is the Risen One, and whoever invokes the name of Jesus is welcoming the Son of God who loved him and who gave himself up for him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Each syllable of a divine name - such as Krishna or Jesus - has vibrations which change the atmosphere. Any object that we think about repeatedly generates its own vibration. Even though mantras are strong and powerful, we may not feel the effects immediately but results will come. One can feel the differences in the vibrations of words. Using the word, one can make things change. -Mother Meera Close your eyes and sit in silence and do japa on any divine name. -Mother Meera Find a position to sit, on the floor or in a chair, that you will be comfortable in for an entire session. Use a position that will allow you to keep your backbone straight, with your head and neck aligned with your spine. When we sit upright with a straight spine, the energy generated by meditation can circulate freely throughout our body without being blocked. -Karunamayi As you start your meditation, Amma recommends that you can use a mantra to help silence and focus your mind. If you are accustomed to using only a particular mantra during meditation and would like to continue with that, please feel free to do so. -Karunamayi If you wish to continue with your mantra, it is not necessary to ask Amma if you should use it or Saraswati or Gayatri Mantra or not. Divine Mother has blessed you with abundant powers of intellect and spiritual discrimination. You are welcome to use your discrimination to decide which mantra you feel is best. -Karunamayi What ever you decide, it is important to come to meditation without any doubts or questions. -Karunamayi If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. My sweet child, meditate. Experience your true self. Silence is elegance. My baby, be silent and hear the voice of the soul within you. Silence is the foundation for self-realization. It does not matter what you believe if you are only in silence. Silence is honesty in heart. -Karunamayi My sweet children seek the light through truth. Truth is known only by your wise heart. The supreme truth is in the heart of everyone. Only a few can practice meditation continuously, but I am expecting everyone to practice meditation sincerely. -Karunamayi Time ill spent, is life wasted away. Burst with divine grace at every step. Be still in meditation; realize the truth. Keep out of worldly temptations, and control negative thoughts one by one. Truth leads and purifies your heart. Your meditation power transforms your life into truth and divinity. -Karunamayi Meditate every day. Be humble. Humility embraces all of the other qualities. In the great battle of life, the difficulties broaden. Have full trust; trust your meditation power. Truth is all for life. Meditation leads life from ignorance to wisdom, from weakness to strength, from disharmony to harmony, from hatred to love, from want to fullness, from limitations to boundlessness, from diversity to unity and from imperfection to perfection. As a way of life meditation deepens your understanding and enables you to know your true Self. -Karunamayi Meditation gives discipline, poise and tranquility; it miraculously rebuilds one's life. -karunamayi
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There are so many techniques. Generally they confuse people. Quite often they increase people's spiritual pride instead of destroying it. The proud man is far from God. You have to be very careful. The best way is to remember the Divine in everything and to offer everything to the Divine. -Mother Meera Like Mother Meera both the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches have a long tradition of transcending on the name Jesus below is from the catechism of the Roman Catholic church. CCC 2666 But the one name that contains everything is the one that the Son of God received in his incarnation: JESUS. The divine name may not be spoken by human lips, but by assuming our humanity The Word of God hands it over to us and we can invoke it: Jesus, YHWH saves. The name Jesus contains all: God and man and the whole economy of creation and salvation. To pray Jesus is to invoke him and to call him within us. His name is the only one that contains the presence it signifies. Jesus is the Risen One, and whoever invokes the name of Jesus is welcoming the Son of God who loved him and who gave himself up for him. Each syllable of a divine name - such as Krishna or Jesus - has vibrations which change the atmosphere. Any object that we think about repeatedly generates its own vibration. Even though mantras are strong and powerful, we may not feel the effects immediately but results will come. One can feel the differences in the vibrations of words. Using the word, one can make things change. -Mother Meera Close your eyes and sit in silence and do japa on any divine name. -Mother Meera Find a position to sit, on the floor or in a chair, that you will be comfortable in for an entire session. Use a position that will allow you to keep your backbone straight, with your head and neck aligned with your spine. When we sit upright with a straight spine, the energy generated by meditation can circulate freely throughout our body without being blocked. -Karunamayi As you start your meditation, Amma recommends that you can use a mantra to help silence and focus your mind. If you are accustomed to using only a particular mantra during meditation and would like to continue with that, please feel free to do so. -Karunamayi If you wish to continue with your mantra, it is not necessary to ask Amma if you should use it or Saraswati or Gayatri Mantra or not. Divine Mother has blessed you with abundant powers of intellect and spiritual discrimination. You are welcome to use your discrimination to decide which mantra you feel is best. -Karunamayi What ever you decide, it is important to come to meditation without any doubts or questions. -Karunamayi If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. My sweet child, meditate. Experience your true self. Silence is elegance. My baby, be silent and hear the voice of the soul within you. Silence is the foundation for self-realization. It does not matter what you believe if you are only in silence. Silence is honesty in heart. -Karunamayi My sweet children seek the light through truth. Truth is known only by your wise heart. The supreme truth is in the heart of everyone. Only a few can practice meditation continuously, but I am expecting everyone to practice meditation sincerely. -Karunamayi Time ill spent, is life wasted away. Burst with divine grace at every step. Be still in meditation; realize the truth. Keep out of worldly temptations, and control negative thoughts one by one. Truth leads and purifies your heart. Your meditation power transforms your life into truth and divinity. -Karunamayi Meditate every day. Be humble. Humility embraces all of the other qualities. In the great battle of life, the difficulties broaden. Have full trust; trust your meditation power. Truth is all for life. Meditation leads life from ignorance to wisdom, from weakness to strength, from disharmony to harmony, from hatred to love, from want to fullness, from limitations to boundlessness, from diversity to unity and from imperfection to perfection.
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On 08/01/2011 10:46 AM, Buck wrote: There are so many techniques. Generally they confuse people. Quite often they increase people's spiritual pride instead of destroying it. The proud man is far from God. You have to be very careful. The best way is to remember the Divine in everything and to offer everything to the Divine. -Mother Meera Most people would do just fine with a Shiva or Shanti mantras. That's what many of these other spiritual teachers teach. There is nothing secretive about them but they usually give them with shaktipat which sets the framework for the mantra to work. Many gurus would say that giving Agni mantras to the general public is asking for trouble.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: There are so many techniques. Generally they confuse people. That's why you are posting the list of all the different meditation-techniques going on in Fairfield from time to time, to point out how confused they have all become over there ? :-) I think the TMO is just dragging it's feets at the moment; move everything to India, forget about that Fairfield-mess !
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The Power of Mantra Contrary to public misinformation, techniques like Transcendental Meditation or Sahaj Samadhi are not based on repetition. They utilize a much subtler science. Om, so are Transcendental Meditation and Sahaj Samadhi effectively the same? The similar practice? Just wondering. Anyone learned both? Anyone here taught both? -B vibrations of consciousness. Mantra carries the mind to the silence that was there before God said, Let there be light. In Sanskrit, mantra means vehicle for the mind: manas - mind, tra - vehicle. Tra is the root of our English suffix, tron. Electrons carry electricity. Positrons carry positivity. Mantras carry mind to its source.
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Sahaj uses just one mantra, which if you feel you are in a quiet mind you can stop using, even if you realize it is not there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: The Power of Mantra Contrary to public misinformation, techniques like Transcendental Meditation or Sahaj Samadhi are not based on repetition. They utilize a much subtler science. Om, so are Transcendental Meditation and Sahaj Samadhi effectively the same? The similar practice? Just wondering. Anyone learned both? Anyone here taught both? -B vibrations of consciousness. Mantra carries the mind to the silence that was there before God said, Let there be light. In Sanskrit, mantra means vehicle for the mind: manas - mind, tra - vehicle. Tra is the root of our English suffix, tron. Electrons carry electricity. Positrons carry positivity. Mantras carry mind to its source.
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My sweet child, meditate. Experience your true self. Silence is elegance. My baby, be silent and hear the voice of the soul within you. Silence is the foundation for self-realization. It does not matter what you believe if you are only in silence. Silence is honesty in heart. -Karunamayi My sweet children seek the light through truth. Truth is known only by your wise heart. The supreme truth is in the heart of everyone. Only a few can practice meditation continuously, but I am expecting everyone to practice meditation sincerely. -Karunamayi Time ill spent, is life wasted away. Burst with divine grace at every step. Be still in meditation; realize the truth. Keep out of worldly temptations, and control negative thoughts one by one. Truth leads and purifies your heart. Your meditation power transforms your life into truth and divinity. -Karunamayi Meditate every day. Be humble. Humility embraces all of the other qualities. In the great battle of life, the difficulties broaden. Have full trust; trust your meditation power. Truth is all for life. Meditation leads life from ignorance to wisdom, from weakness to strength, from disharmony to harmony, from hatred to love, from want to fullness, from limitations to boundlessness, from diversity to unity and from imperfection to perfection. As a way of life meditation deepens your understanding and enables you to know your true Self. -Karunamayi Meditation gives discipline, poise and tranquility; it miraculously rebuilds one's life. -karunamayi Control of the mind and senses is meditation. Meditation is a simple path for all faiths. -Karunamayi The meditation is in the silence that follows the mantra. -Karunamayi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance. Now then, what is the mantra? The mantra is the Word in reverse. As the Word impels silence outward into creation, so the mantra draws creation back to its silent source, settling vibrations in primordial stillness. Through mantra, wave returns to sea, mind returns to God. When the mantra has done its work in you, you won't be repeating anything. Your awareness will rest in God, floating in eternal silence, the silence before creation. Original innocence will irradiate your heart with the light of joy. This is real meditation. Therefor, let us not do meditation. Let us not-do meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: The Power of Mantra Some people say that our thoughts are powerful. It is not thoughts that are powerful, but the silence between them. There is no need to repeat an affirmation or a mantra. Just brush it once with awareness, then drop it like a sprouted seed in the rich dark loam of silence. In that silence, attention effortlessly slips from the head into the heart. Rest there. Real meditation has nothing to do with repeating a mantra. Repetition is fruitless: it makes the mind dull, mechanical and small. Contrary to public misinformation, techniques like Transcendental Meditation or Sahaj Samadhi are not based on repetition. They utilize a much subtler science. The fruitfulness of mantra consists not in its repetition but in its power to dissolve the mind. If the mantra does not dissolve the mind into silence, it is not a real mantra: it is just another thought rattling around in the skull. Mantra fulfills the definition of Yoga as given in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras: Yogas chitta-vritti nirodahah. Yoga silences the vritti, the vibrations of consciousness. Mantra carries the mind to the silence that was there before God said, Let there be light. In Sanskrit, mantra means vehicle for the mind: manas - mind, tra - vehicle. Tra is the root of our English suffix, tron. Electrons carry electricity. Positrons carry positivity. Mantras carry mind to its source.
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If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. My sweet child, meditate. Experience your true self. Silence is elegance. My baby, be silent and hear the voice of the soul within you. Silence is the foundation for self-realization. It does not matter what you believe if you are only in silence. Silence is honesty in heart. -Karunamayi My sweet children seek the light through truth. Truth is known only by your wise heart. The supreme truth is in the heart of everyone. Only a few can practice meditation continuously, but I am expecting everyone to practice meditation sincerely. -Karunamayi Time ill spent, is life wasted away. Burst with divine grace at every step. Be still in meditation; realize the truth. Keep out of worldly temptations, and control negative thoughts one by one. Truth leads and purifies your heart. Your meditation power transforms your life into truth and divinity. -Karunamayi Meditate every day. Be humble. Humility embraces all of the other qualities. In the great battle of life, the difficulties broaden. Have full trust; trust your meditation power. Truth is all for life. Meditation leads life from ignorance to wisdom, from weakness to strength, from disharmony to harmony, from hatred to love, from want to fullness, from limitations to boundlessness, from diversity to unity and from imperfection to perfection. As a way of life meditation deepens your understanding and enables you to know your true Self. -Karunamayi Meditation gives discipline, poise and tranquility; it miraculously rebuilds one's life. -karunamayi Control of the mind and senses is meditation. Meditation is a simple path for all faiths. -Karunamayi The meditation is in the silence that follows the mantra. -Karunamayi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance. Now then, what is the mantra? The mantra is the Word in reverse. As the Word impels silence outward into creation, so the mantra draws creation back to its silent source, settling vibrations in primordial stillness. Through mantra, wave returns to sea, mind returns to God. When the mantra has done its work in you, you won't be repeating anything. Your awareness will rest in God, floating in eternal silence, the silence before creation. Original innocence will irradiate your heart with the light of joy. This is real meditation. Therefor, let us not do meditation. Let us not-do meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: The Power of Mantra Some people say that our thoughts are powerful. It is not thoughts that are powerful, but the silence between them. There is no need to repeat an affirmation or a mantra. Just brush it once with awareness, then drop it like a sprouted seed in the rich dark loam of silence. In that silence, attention effortlessly slips from the head into the heart. Rest there. Real meditation has nothing to do with repeating a mantra. Repetition is fruitless: it makes the mind dull, mechanical and small. Contrary to public misinformation, techniques like Transcendental Meditation or Sahaj Samadhi are not based on repetition. They utilize a much subtler science. The fruitfulness of mantra consists not in its repetition but in its power to dissolve the mind. If the mantra does not dissolve the mind into silence, it is not a real mantra: it is just another thought rattling around in the skull. Mantra fulfills the definition of Yoga as given in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras: Yogas chitta-vritti nirodahah. Yoga silences the vritti, the vibrations of consciousness. Mantra carries the mind to the silence that was there before God said, Let there be light.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. Buck, just to test your powers of observation, what is the one letter of the alphabet that is majorly out of place in this public statement of official policy? Could it possibly be the capital letter S, used when referring to Amma as She? Isn't that a little, in context, like saying, You are free to continue using the lesser mantras you have learned from lesser teachers if you want to. We're only telling you what the teacher whose pronouns we feel the need to capitalize because...well...because She is just so super that any pronoun referring to her SO completely deserves to be capitalized. We're just telling you what She thinks, based on Her personal experience. Wouldn't the paragraph have been SO much more powerful and inclusive if they had just used a lowercase s instead of an uppercase one? Don't you cringe, too, when you see Nabby referring to Maharishi using He and Him and His?
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I agree somewhat with your feeling about capitalizing He and She; indicating Absolutes. It can be overdone. On the other hand with both Buck and Nablusos, I see it more as a sign of their strong devotion to Amma and MMY. And just like Mr and Ma'am and Sri and Ji, it has its place. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. Buck, just to test your powers of observation, what is the one letter of the alphabet that is majorly out of place in this public statement of official policy? Could it possibly be the capital letter S, used when referring to Amma as She? Isn't that a little, in context, like saying, You are free to continue using the lesser mantras you have learned from lesser teachers if you want to. We're only telling you what the teacher whose pronouns we feel the need to capitalize because...well...because She is just so super that any pronoun referring to her SO completely deserves to be capitalized. We're just telling you what She thinks, based on Her personal experience. Wouldn't the paragraph have been SO much more powerful and inclusive if they had just used a lowercase s instead of an uppercase one? Don't you cringe, too, when you see Nabby referring to Maharishi using He and Him and His?
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Dear Turq and Whynot; I had noticed that same thing too when I typed it and in that moment I went with the verbatim. She seems to know what she is talking about so I went with the She. That's been my experience with her. That's fine enough. I'm not thinking that it is worth getting hung up over. Best Regards, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I agree somewhat with your feeling about capitalizing He and She; indicating Absolutes. It can be overdone. On the other hand with both Buck and Nablusos, I see it more as a sign of their strong devotion to Amma and MMY. And just like Mr and Ma'am and Sri and Ji, it has its place. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. Buck, just to test your powers of observation, what is the one letter of the alphabet that is majorly out of place in this public statement of official policy? Could it possibly be the capital letter S, used when referring to Amma as She? Isn't that a little, in context, like saying, You are free to continue using the lesser mantras you have learned from lesser teachers if you want to. We're only telling you what the teacher whose pronouns we feel the need to capitalize because...well...because She is just so super that any pronoun referring to her SO completely deserves to be capitalized. We're just telling you what She thinks, based on Her personal experience. Wouldn't the paragraph have been SO much more powerful and inclusive if they had just used a lowercase s instead of an uppercase one? Don't you cringe, too, when you see Nabby referring to Maharishi using He and Him and His?
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What ever you decide, it is important to come to meditation without any doubts or questions. -Karunamayi If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. My sweet child, meditate. Experience your true self. Silence is elegance. My baby, be silent and hear the voice of the soul within you. Silence is the foundation for self-realization. It does not matter what you believe if you are only in silence. Silence is honesty in heart. -Karunamayi My sweet children seek the light through truth. Truth is known only by your wise heart. The supreme truth is in the heart of everyone. Only a few can practice meditation continuously, but I am expecting everyone to practice meditation sincerely. -Karunamayi Time ill spent, is life wasted away. Burst with divine grace at every step. Be still in meditation; realize the truth. Keep out of worldly temptations, and control negative thoughts one by one. Truth leads and purifies your heart. Your meditation power transforms your life into truth and divinity. -Karunamayi Meditate every day. Be humble. Humility embraces all of the other qualities. In the great battle of life, the difficulties broaden. Have full trust; trust your meditation power. Truth is all for life. Meditation leads life from ignorance to wisdom, from weakness to strength, from disharmony to harmony, from hatred to love, from want to fullness, from limitations to boundlessness, from diversity to unity and from imperfection to perfection. As a way of life meditation deepens your understanding and enables you to know your true Self. -Karunamayi Meditation gives discipline, poise and tranquility; it miraculously rebuilds one's life. -karunamayi Control of the mind and senses is meditation. Meditation is a simple path for all faiths. -Karunamayi The meditation is in the silence that follows the mantra. -Karunamayi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance. Now then, what is the mantra? The mantra is the Word in reverse. As the Word impels silence outward into creation, so the mantra draws creation back to its silent source, settling vibrations in primordial stillness. Through mantra, wave returns to sea, mind returns to God. When the mantra has done its work in you, you won't be repeating anything. Your awareness will rest in God, floating in eternal silence, the silence before creation. Original innocence will irradiate your heart with the light of joy. This is real meditation. Therefor, let us not do meditation. Let us not-do meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: The Power of Mantra Some people say that our thoughts are powerful. It is not thoughts that are powerful, but the silence between them. There is no need to repeat an affirmation or a mantra. Just brush it once with awareness, then drop it like a sprouted seed in the rich dark loam of silence. In that silence, attention effortlessly slips from the head into the heart. Rest there. Real meditation has nothing to do with repeating a mantra. Repetition is fruitless: it makes the mind dull, mechanical and small. Contrary to public misinformation, techniques like Transcendental Meditation or Sahaj Samadhi are not based on repetition. They utilize a much subtler science. The fruitfulness of mantra consists not in its repetition but in its power to dissolve the mind. If the mantra does not dissolve the mind into silence, it is not a real mantra: it is just another thought rattling around in the skull. Mantra fulfills the definition of Yoga as given in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras:
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If you wish to continue with your mantra, it is not necessary to ask Amma if you should use it or Saraswati or Gayatri Mantra or not. Divine Mother has blessed you with abundant powers of intellect and spiritual discrimination. You are welcome to use your discrimination to decide which mantra you feel is best. -Karunamayi What ever you decide, it is important to come to meditation without any doubts or questions. -Karunamayi If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. My sweet child, meditate. Experience your true self. Silence is elegance. My baby, be silent and hear the voice of the soul within you. Silence is the foundation for self-realization. It does not matter what you believe if you are only in silence. Silence is honesty in heart. -Karunamayi My sweet children seek the light through truth. Truth is known only by your wise heart. The supreme truth is in the heart of everyone. Only a few can practice meditation continuously, but I am expecting everyone to practice meditation sincerely. -Karunamayi Time ill spent, is life wasted away. Burst with divine grace at every step. Be still in meditation; realize the truth. Keep out of worldly temptations, and control negative thoughts one by one. Truth leads and purifies your heart. Your meditation power transforms your life into truth and divinity. -Karunamayi Meditate every day. Be humble. Humility embraces all of the other qualities. In the great battle of life, the difficulties broaden. Have full trust; trust your meditation power. Truth is all for life. Meditation leads life from ignorance to wisdom, from weakness to strength, from disharmony to harmony, from hatred to love, from want to fullness, from limitations to boundlessness, from diversity to unity and from imperfection to perfection. As a way of life meditation deepens your understanding and enables you to know your true Self. -Karunamayi Meditation gives discipline, poise and tranquility; it miraculously rebuilds one's life. -karunamayi Control of the mind and senses is meditation. Meditation is a simple path for all faiths. -Karunamayi The meditation is in the silence that follows the mantra. -Karunamayi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance. Now then, what is the mantra? The mantra is the Word in reverse. As the Word impels silence outward into creation, so the mantra draws creation back to its silent source, settling vibrations in primordial stillness. Through mantra, wave returns to sea, mind returns to God. When the mantra has done its work in you, you won't be repeating anything. Your awareness will rest in God, floating in eternal silence, the silence before creation. Original innocence will irradiate your heart with the light of joy. This is real meditation. Therefor, let us not do meditation. Let us not-do meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: The Power of Mantra Some people say that our thoughts are powerful. It is not thoughts that are powerful, but the silence between them. There is no need to repeat an affirmation or a mantra. Just brush it once with awareness, then drop it like a sprouted seed in the rich dark loam of silence. In that silence, attention effortlessly slips from the head into the heart. Rest there. Real meditation has nothing to do with repeating a mantra. Repetition is fruitless: it makes the mind dull, mechanical and small. Contrary to public misinformation, techniques like Transcendental Meditation or Sahaj Samadhi are not based on repetition. They utilize a much
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I agree somewhat with your feeling about capitalizing He and She; indicating Absolutes. It can be overdone. On the other hand with both Buck and Nablusos, I see it more as a sign of their strong devotion to Amma and MMY. And just like Mr and Ma'am and Sri and Ji, it has its place. Thank's Jim-Ji ! :-)
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Whose Devotee? No, I ain't no disciple, I knows what I know and I'm just glad for the experience I've had. Thanks. -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I agree somewhat with your feeling about capitalizing He and She; indicating Absolutes. It can be overdone. On the other hand with both Buck and Nablusos, I see it more as a sign of their strong devotion to Amma and MMY. And just like Mr and Ma'am and Sri and Ji, it has its place. Thank's Jim-Ji ! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantra Meditation
As you start your meditation, Amma recommends that you can use a mantra to help silence and focus your mind. If you are accustomed to using only a particular mantra during meditation and would like to continue with that, please feel free to do so. -Karunamayi If you wish to continue with your mantra, it is not necessary to ask Amma if you should use it or Saraswati or Gayatri Mantra or not. Divine Mother has blessed you with abundant powers of intellect and spiritual discrimination. You are welcome to use your discrimination to decide which mantra you feel is best. -Karunamayi What ever you decide, it is important to come to meditation without any doubts or questions. -Karunamayi If you have been using a particular meditation mantra and you have obtained good results from it, you are welcome to continue with your technique. Amma teaches certain mantras for meditation because She has personally experienced the tremendous benefits that they bring. My sweet child, meditate. Experience your true self. Silence is elegance. My baby, be silent and hear the voice of the soul within you. Silence is the foundation for self-realization. It does not matter what you believe if you are only in silence. Silence is honesty in heart. -Karunamayi My sweet children seek the light through truth. Truth is known only by your wise heart. The supreme truth is in the heart of everyone. Only a few can practice meditation continuously, but I am expecting everyone to practice meditation sincerely. -Karunamayi Time ill spent, is life wasted away. Burst with divine grace at every step. Be still in meditation; realize the truth. Keep out of worldly temptations, and control negative thoughts one by one. Truth leads and purifies your heart. Your meditation power transforms your life into truth and divinity. -Karunamayi Meditate every day. Be humble. Humility embraces all of the other qualities. In the great battle of life, the difficulties broaden. Have full trust; trust your meditation power. Truth is all for life. Meditation leads life from ignorance to wisdom, from weakness to strength, from disharmony to harmony, from hatred to love, from want to fullness, from limitations to boundlessness, from diversity to unity and from imperfection to perfection. As a way of life meditation deepens your understanding and enables you to know your true Self. -Karunamayi Meditation gives discipline, poise and tranquility; it miraculously rebuilds one's life. -karunamayi Control of the mind and senses is meditation. Meditation is a simple path for all faiths. -Karunamayi The meditation is in the silence that follows the mantra. -Karunamayi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance. Now then, what is the mantra? The mantra is the Word in reverse. As the Word impels silence outward into creation, so the mantra draws creation back to its silent source, settling vibrations in primordial stillness. Through mantra, wave returns to sea, mind returns to God. When the mantra has done its work in you, you won't be repeating anything. Your awareness will rest in God, floating in eternal silence, the silence before creation. Original innocence will irradiate your heart with the light of joy. This is real meditation. Therefor, let us not do meditation. Let us not-do meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: The Power of Mantra Some people say that our thoughts are powerful. It is not thoughts that are powerful, but the silence between them. There is no need to repeat an affirmation or a mantra. Just brush it once with awareness, then drop it like a sprouted seed in the rich dark loam of silence. In that silence, attention effortlessly slips from the head into the heart. Rest there.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantra Meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I agree somewhat with your feeling about capitalizing He and She; indicating Absolutes. It can be overdone. On the other hand with both Buck and Nablusos, I see it more as a sign of their strong devotion to Amma and MMY. And just like Mr and Ma'am and Sri and Ji, it has its place. Thank's Jim-Ji ! :-) My pleasure, Sri Nablusos :-)
