[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where are you going to find someone whose personal interests aren't involved, so that you can count on their being objective? I would be happy to if I were retired, but as it is, I wouldn't have the time. Who decides what's civil and what isn't? One interesting result of moderation, if it's instituted, and if the enforcer is someone with some degree of objectivity, is that when they start examining posts, it's going to turn out that the folks who are most often blamed for the incivility aren't actually the ones who are indulging in it. There's a tremendous amount of bad-rapping going on here, virtually all of it directed at TM supporters. Can't resist. Judy actually SAID virtually all of it directed at TM supporters. Once again, here are the quotes of TMers (many of them hers) that I've been collecting for the last few days, since the last THINGS TMers BELIEVE: No sane person spends time compiling things like this. It's beyond right or wrong - it's pathological. Get a life. Now. Same person: Yawn, I don't keep track of every muse of the twisted meanderings of a mega-poster, I just rattle in now and again with something rational. Not something you seem to have a flare for if you think I fell into his so called 'trap'...OOOooo. Wow, what kind of born-again fanatic goes to all the trouble of compiling something of so little significance? Good point ! This B fellow seems to be oneofakind. It's alkohol, no ? B seems to enjoy the cheap french vino... He's [TM critic, the compiler of this list of quotes] never been able to handle challenges to his opinions; his freakouts typically occur when he's been getting more opposition than usual. This time I think there's just been too much of it for him to deal with. Whether alcohol is exacerbating things, who knows? To a person he's never met, in *any* city, but who compiled this list of quotes, many of which are his: Besides, I am pissed off that my post that said that I saw you staggering along on the streets of Paris, clutching an almost empty bottle of wine, and mumbling over and over something about 'TM bastards'..that post never made the list. I think he [the compiler of this list, on which her quotes appear consistently, and about which quotes he has made absolutely no comment] may be having a breakdown. He's always had periodic freakouts, but I've never seen him in such a manic, irrational tizzy. Same person: Wanted to add that I'm pretty sure B doesn't behave like this [that is, quoting *her* words and those of others like her] in his everyday life. Internet forums are an outlet so that he *doesn't* behave like a monster otherwise. Same person, after writing dozens of lines 'analyzing' the person who had done nothing more than quote her, and other TMers like her, and who didn't respond to her 'analysis' except to collect more of her quotes: I'm sure he'll 'intuit' some conclusions about me right back. Y'all can decide which of us has the clearer mind... On the suggestion that these issues be archived: Good idea. Then any rational person looking at it in the future will be able to conclude the extent of the ego-centrical nature of the posessed anti-TM fanatics. Believe me, any person of insight will quickly conclude that this is a fundamentalists fanaticism ranting at a group of fairly reasonable people who have normal civilized disagreements and bantor with each other. Responding to the person who suggested that this series of quotes be archived, two different long-term TMers: -- You just outed yourself, R. -- Just what I was thinking. Moral vacuum time. Responding to a person who had said: No one has any higher moral ground here. -- Only someone who, like R [founder of the TM-related forum on which criticism of TM is allowed], is living in a moral vacuum could say such a thing. P.S. Sod off. Reacting to someone posting a link to a talk by one of the world's most famous Buddhist scholars Robert Thurman: I am glad Uma's dad is at least thinking about it. It would be better if he did TM though. B, all of us--including yourself--understand what you're attempting here: you're trying to shut your critics up and suppress the pro-TM viewpoint--the views of the people you have declared to be 'interlopers' on this forum. R approves of this tactic. That speaks for itself. Same person, a few minutes later: Geez, I certainly don't think it will shut anyone up, least of all me! I'm pointing out that this is what *B* is hoping his quote-posting will accomplish. B. Heads up, dood. What you're doing is *transparent*. You aren't fooling anybody. All your 'encouragement' for us to keep posting is part of the scheme. *Of course* you're going to deny you're trying to silence us. After having made over a dozen posts on three different Internet forums complaining about her words being supposedly
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Where are you going to find someone whose personal interests aren't involved, so that you can count on their being objective? I would be happy to if I were retired, but as it is, I wouldn't have the time. Who decides what's civil and what isn't? One interesting result of moderation, if it's instituted, and if the enforcer is someone with some degree of objectivity, is that when they start examining posts, it's going to turn out that the folks who are most often blamed for the incivility aren't actually the ones who are indulging in it. There's a tremendous amount of bad-rapping going on here, virtually all of it directed at TM supporters. Can't resist. Judy actually SAID virtually all of it directed at TM supporters. Once again, here are the quotes of TMers (many of them hers) that I've been collecting for the last few days, since the last THINGS TMers BELIEVE: imo it is not doing much good to post these selective quotes here on FFL again. Please post them in other places as well. Thanks :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:41 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Once we have agreed on ground rules, the next task would be to find someone to enforce them. Where are you going to find someone whose personal interests aren't involved, so that you can count on their being objective? That's the key question. I regard my co-moderators, Alex Stanley and Gullible Fool, as being fair and objective, but I don't know if either wants to take on this task. It might not be too hard, as you can count the main culprits on one hand. All we would have to do is switch their status such that no post goes through without approval.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the key question. I regard my co-moderators, Alex Stanley and Gullible Fool, as being fair and objective, but I don't know if either wants to take on this task. It might not be too hard, as you can count the main culprits on one hand. All we would have to do is switch their status such that no post goes through without approval. The FFL traffic that pisses people off the most is the stuff I read the least. Personally, I don't care much about the TM paradigm because I don't relate to its dogmas. As for the allegations that MMY had sex, I don't care one way or the other because I'm not a worshipper of gurus placed on pedestals. And, the my revered Buddhist dude can beat up your revered Hindu dude and my dogma can beat up your dogma arguments are, IMO, mindless ego/attachment bullshit. I'm perfectly willing to do my job of subscription management and keeping spammers out, but I have zero interest in moderating list traffic that I would otherwise not be inclined to read.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Where are you going to find someone whose personal interests aren't involved, so that you can count on their being objective? I would be happy to if I were retired, but as it is, I wouldn't have the time. Who decides what's civil and what isn't? One interesting result of moderation, if it's instituted, and if the enforcer is someone with some degree of objectivity, is that when they start examining posts, it's going to turn out that the folks who are most often blamed for the incivility aren't actually the ones who are indulging in it. There's a tremendous amount of bad-rapping going on here, virtually all of it directed at TM supporters. Can't resist. Judy actually SAID virtually all of it directed at TM supporters. Once again, here are the quotes of TMers (many of them hers) that I've been collecting for the last few days, since the last THINGS TMers BELIEVE: Perhaps you misunderstood, Barry. By bad-rapping I meant *unjustified* criticism.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jim flanegin wrote: You said that the pro-TMers called others 'rakshasas'... So, it's all about Bhairatu. Stop it. You're cracking me up. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
jim flanegin wrote: You said that the pro-TMers called others 'rakshasas'... So, it's all about Bhairatu. lurk wrote: Stop it. You're cracking me up. So, what's it all about?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, if I were to single out one person who has brought this forum into disrepute it would be Judy Stein. But you know that. She has done it to AMT, which is something of a wasteland. Do you want FFL to go the same way? (Oddly enough, I just happen to be one of Paul's major critics.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
Of course there are others who do their level best to make FFL unfit for debate, but they are followers, they seldom start the ball rolling. But importantly, Vaj got the analogy right, its about preserving the barrel of apples by shedding the few. TM is a solitary practice, a practice which gives no specific evidence of its practice. Who is to say that Judith Stein or Nabulus practice TM and that I do not. I don't care whether or not people practice TM or not, but I do care that free-speech is jeopardised by the behaviour of the few. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, if I were to single out one person who has brought this forum into disrepute it would be Judy Stein. But you know that. She has done it to AMT, which is something of a wasteland. Do you want FFL to go the same way?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, if I were to single out one person who has brought this forum into disrepute it would be Judy Stein. But you know that. She has done it to AMT, which is something of a wasteland. Do you want FFL to go the same way? No wayit was JRM, without a doubt. Judy is an honest gig! Get real!~ You don't strike me as knowing what you are talking about in this instance! It was JRM posting all the political garbage that did it in! IMO!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, if I were to single out one person who has brought this forum into disrepute it would be Judy Stein. But you know that. She has done it to AMT, which is something of a wasteland. Do you want FFL to go the same way? Paul, here are some interesting statistics on your contention that this forum has been ruined by pro-TM folks insulting those who are not: I searched on the following terms and came up with the following numbers-- You said that the pro-TMers called others 'rakshasas' and 'wicked', so allowing for both rakshasa and its plural form, I searched on rakshasa, rakshasas and wicked, for a total of 216 posts. I then searched for the terms 'mahesh' which is frequently used as a pejorative name for Maharishi. I qualified the search as 'mahesh NOT yogi' to exclude postings where the full name of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was used. I also searched for the terms 'True Believer' and 'TB', both used as pejorative terms for those practicing TM. The total in this case was 2,310 posts. So you may want to ask yourself again who has turned this forum into one of personal insults?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip but I do care that free-speech is jeopardised by the behaviour of the few. You know, I have never heard a sillier comment. I'm not sure I even understand it...free speech is a threat to free speech?, someone please help me out here!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
I don't consider Judy Stein as a critic, merely as a nuisance. Her criticism of my biography, which is what I'm known for, was based on erroneous hearsay. She has never engaged me honestly in debate in a bid for truth, just timewasting in order to try and catch me out. There is always the assumption driving her that there is a hidden aggenda to uncover, some motive behind what one is saying that she will discover. Sad really, as she 'seems' interested in the philosphy of SCI, but perhaps she is worried that someone will disabuse her of her illusions about its correctness or completeness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Rick, if I were to single out one person who has brought this forum into disrepute it would be Judy Stein. But you know that. She has done it to AMT, which is something of a wasteland. Do you want FFL to go the same way? (Oddly enough, I just happen to be one of Paul's major critics.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
Perhaps you really don't get it, so I'll explain just the once. Terrorism, the unpleasant combative, thrusting, in-your-face attitudes drive polite civil debaters away. That is what it is for, it is not about encouraging debate but about posturing and misrepresenting until you find the 'opponent' has exited in disgust. This was the MO used at AMT and it is now the MO used at FFL. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: snip but I do care that free-speech is jeopardised by the behaviour of the few. You know, I have never heard a sillier comment. I'm not sure I even understand it...free speech is a threat to free speech?, someone please help me out here!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps you really don't get it, so I'll explain just the once. Terrorism, the unpleasant combative, thrusting, in-your-face attitudes drive polite civil debaters away. That is what it is for, it is not about encouraging debate but about posturing and misrepresenting until you find the 'opponent' has exited in disgust. This was the MO used at AMT and it is now the MO used at FFL. O, the man has a temper! Sounds like he's about to combust. I guess your thoughtless meditation isn't working?? :-) Hey, take it easy Paul, it's just Chinatown.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Who is to say that Judith Stein or Nabulus practice TM and that I do not. I don't care whether or not people practice TM or not, but I do care that free-speech is jeopardised by the behaviour of the few. And the solution? Take away the free-speech rights of those few whose speech you don't like!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Rick, if I were to single out one person who has brought this forum into disrepute it would be Judy Stein. But you know that. She has done it to AMT, which is something of a wasteland. Do you want FFL to go the same way? Paul, here are some interesting statistics on your contention that this forum has been ruined by pro-TM folks insulting those who are not: I searched on the following terms and came up with the following numbers-- You said that the pro-TMers called others 'rakshasas' and 'wicked', so allowing for both rakshasa and its plural form, I searched on rakshasa, rakshasas and wicked, for a total of 216 posts. (None of which were mine, just BTW.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't consider Judy Stein as a critic, merely as a nuisance. Her criticism of my biography, which is what I'm known for, was based on erroneous hearsay. No, it wasn't. It was based on actually reading some of it. What I criticized was what I perceived to be, in the portions I read, a snarky tone in what you claimed was a completely objective biographical work. She has never engaged me honestly in debate in a bid for truth, just timewasting in order to try and catch me out. Oh, man, that's rich! Paul has very consistently been the one to refuse to to engage in honest debate. There is always the assumption driving her that there is a hidden aggenda to uncover, some motive behind what one is saying that she will discover. No, not always by any means. Only when I have good reason to suspect there is one, as with Paul. And in that case, my suspicions were proved correct in spades. Sad really, as she 'seems' interested in the philosphy of SCI, but perhaps she is worried that someone will disabuse her of her illusions about its correctness or completeness. If I were, I'd hardly be willing to spend time on forums like FFL, alt.m.t, or TMFree, where I'm constantly exposed to criticisms of MMY and his teaching.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps you really don't get it, so I'll explain just the once. Terrorism, the unpleasant combative, thrusting, in-your-face attitudes drive polite civil debaters away. Terrorism seems to be the new Naziism with regard to Godwin's Law. That is what it is for, it is not about encouraging debate but about posturing and misrepresenting until you find the 'opponent' has exited in disgust. This was the MO used at AMT and it is now the MO used at FFL. But it's the TM *supporters* who are paranoid...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, if I were to single out one person who has brought this forum into disrepute it would be Judy Stein. But you know that. She has done it to AMT, which is something of a wasteland. Do you want FFL to go the same way? Get a life man. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course there are others who do their level best to make FFL unfit for debate, but they are followers, they seldom start the ball rolling. But importantly, Vaj got the analogy right, its about preserving the barrel of apples by shedding the few. TM is a solitary practice, a practice which gives no specific evidence of its practice. Who is to say that Judith Stein or Nabulus practice TM and that I do not. I don't care whether or not people practice TM or not, but I do care that free-speech is jeopardised by the behaviour of the few. The guy has gone off the edge. Vaj calls people terrorists for dis- agreeing with him, Paul says they are jeopardising free-speech by dis-agreeing with him. If these are the best the fanatic anti-Tm'rs have got it, is a big joke. Nothing to see here folks. Move along. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Rick, if I were to single out one person who has brought this forum into disrepute it would be Judy Stein. But you know that. She has done it to AMT, which is something of a wasteland. Do you want FFL to go the same way?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Rick, if I were to single out one person who has brought this forum into disrepute it would be Judy Stein. But you know that. She has done it to AMT, which is something of a wasteland. Do you want FFL to go the same way? No wayit was JRM, without a doubt. Judy is an honest gig! Get real!~ You don't strike me as knowing what you are talking about in this instance! It was JRM posting all the political garbage that did it in! IMO! Willytex played a major role (and still does) with his endless trolling, which he's now brought to FFL as well. alt.m.t has been a forum for hostile debate almost since its inception; it was when I joined in 1995 and continued in that vein until the past year or so, when it really started falling apart. Hostile as it often was, there was a great deal of substance to the debate on alt.m.t. It was dynamic and vital, and nobody got all huffy about having their viewpoint challenged, as if doing so was somehow out of line. I don't suggest, of course, that this is the only successful formula for an electronic forum. But to pretend that the propensity to challenge and dispute on alt.m.t somehow ruined it is ludicrous. That's what kept it vibrant and active.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course there are others who do their level best to make FFL unfit for debate, but they are followers, they seldom start the ball rolling. But importantly, Vaj got the analogy right, its about preserving the barrel of apples by shedding the few. TM is a solitary practice, a practice which gives no specific evidence of its practice. Who is to say that Judith Stein or Nabulus practice TM and that I do not. I don't care whether or not people practice TM or not, but I do care that free-speech is jeopardised by the behaviour of the few. ROTFLMAOASTC!!! [rolling on he floor laughing my ass off and scaring the cat] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Rick, if I were to single out one person who has brought this forum into disrepute it would be Judy Stein. But you know that. She has done it to AMT, which is something of a wasteland. Do you want FFL to go the same way?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't consider Judy Stein as a critic, merely as a nuisance. Her criticism of my biography, which is what I'm known for, was based on erroneous hearsay. She has never engaged me honestly in debate in a bid for truth, just timewasting in order to try and catch me out. There is always the assumption driving her that there is a hidden aggenda to uncover, some motive behind what one is saying that she will discover. Sad really, as she 'seems' interested in the philosphy of SCI, but perhaps she is worried that someone will disabuse her of her illusions about its correctness or completeness. And just how do you decide the correctness or completeness of something like SCI?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr. Magoo Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:43 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, if I were to single out one person who has brought this forum into disrepute it would be Judy Stein. But you know that. She has done it to AMT, which is something of a wasteland. Do you want FFL to go the same way? No wayit was JRM, without a doubt. Judy is an honest gig! Get real!~ You don't strike me as knowing what you are talking about in this instance! It was JRM posting all the political garbage that did it in! IMO! You're losing me. Who's JRM?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As it stands FFLife as we have know it is dead. Limit all to posting 3 or 4 posts a day and mandate that personal attacks are no more. You may disagree but personal attacks are not allowed. Civility as we have know it is dead. I only post occasionally because there is so much noise one can't hear the music being played. It either gets civil or bury it. Easier to spot personal attacks in a small number of post. Weed out those who can not be civil and then open it back up. A bunch of spoiled, addicted children have taken over and they all need a good spanking and some discipline. Once we have agreed on ground rules, the next task would be to find someone to enforce them. Where are you going to find someone whose personal interests aren't involved, so that you can count on their being objective? I would be happy to if I were retired, but as it is, I wouldn't have the time. Who decides what's civil and what isn't? One interesting result of moderation, if it's instituted, and if the enforcer is someone with some degree of objectivity, is that when they start examining posts, it's going to turn out that the folks who are most often blamed for the incivility aren't actually the ones who are indulging in it. There's a tremendous amount of bad-rapping going on here, virtually all of it directed at TM supporters.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
jim flanegin wrote: You said that the pro-TMers called others 'rakshasas'... So, it's all about Bhairatu.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
Mr. Magoo wrote: No wayit was JRM, without a doubt. So, it's all about JRM.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
jstein wrote: Take away the free-speech rights of those few whose speech you don't like! Is it alright with you Judy, if I dialog with Paul, for just about two minutes? Is that alright with you?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Misrepresention by twisting the truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: snip As it stands FFLife as we have know it is dead. Limit all to posting 3 or 4 posts a day and mandate that personal attacks are no more. You may disagree but personal attacks are not allowed. Civility as we have know it is dead. I only post occasionally because there is so much noise one can't hear the music being played. It either gets civil or bury it. Easier to spot personal attacks in a small number of post. Weed out those who can not be civil and then open it back up. A bunch of spoiled, addicted children have taken over and they all need a good spanking and some discipline. Once we have agreed on ground rules, the next task would be to find someone to enforce them. Where are you going to find someone whose personal interests aren't involved, so that you can count on their being objective? I would be happy to if I were retired, but as it is, I wouldn't have the time. Who decides what's civil and what isn't? One interesting result of moderation, if it's instituted, and if the enforcer is someone with some degree of objectivity, is that when they start examining posts, it's going to turn out that the folks who are most often blamed for the incivility aren't actually the ones who are indulging in it. There's a tremendous amount of bad-rapping going on here, virtually all of it directed at TM supporters. M... Without objective criteria for bad-rapping, you couldn't be sure of that. And even if there WAS such objective criteria, unless you wrote a neutral computer program to evaluate its badness, you couldn't be sue if you were filtering stuff. And even THEN, since you wrote the program, how would you insure that your program didn't contain some kind of pro-Judy filter?
