[FairfieldLife] Re: Myth of the Relaxation Response
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Thirty-two students were in middle school grades, and 11 of these were diagnosed with ADHD. A randomized controlled study would have only 5-6 subjects in each group. Since this was an exploratory study, we chose to use a pretest-post test design with a single cohort. The subjects served as their own controls. Also known as a bullshit, oh excuse me, an exploratory study that does not demonstrate that TM reduces symptoms of ADHD. What the hell is wrong with you, David? Seriously, are you ignorant about research design or are you trying to fool people who know little about research? Again, with no control group you demonstrate nothing other than symptoms of ADHD were reduced, but you do not isolate the causal variable without a frigging control group. Rus wonder why people don't take TM research seriously. Well, here's a clear example of bullshit research that's touted as good research. Its crap research. Preliminary studies can be used effectively for marketing but the actual study is quite up-front about what was done, even if the marketing does not. Future research CAN be justified from this initial study. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Myth of the Relaxation Response
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Thirty-two students were in middle school grades, and 11 of these were diagnosed with ADHD. A randomized controlled study would have only 5-6 subjects in each group. Since this was an exploratory study, we chose to use a pretest-post test design with a single cohort. The subjects served as their own controls. Also known as a bullshit, oh excuse me, an exploratory study that does not demonstrate that TM reduces symptoms of ADHD. What the hell is wrong with you, David? Seriously, are you ignorant about research design or are you trying to fool people who know little about research? Again, with no control group you demonstrate nothing other than symptoms of ADHD were reduced, but you do not isolate the causal variable without a frigging control group. Rus wonder why people don't take TM research seriously. Well, here's a clear example of bullshit research that's touted as good research. Its crap research. Interesting analysis of the research on this blog: http://spacecityskeptics.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/how-to-design-a-positive-study-meditation-for-childhood-adhd/ What is especially interesting is the indication that the children were coached to expect improvement. What better way to insure a placebo effect!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Myth of the Relaxation Response
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: with no control group you demonstrate nothing other than symptoms of ADHD were reduced, but you do not isolate the causal variable without a frigging control group. I've understood that the purpose of exploratory studies is to justify the next stage in research, a randomized controlled study. With that understanding, my beef with the TM research is *not* that it includes studies like the one you blast above, Peter, but that it has failed to deliver the more advanced research that needs to come next.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Myth of the Relaxation Response
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 6, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: David Orme-Johnson [mailto:davi...@] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:10 PM To: David Orme-Johnson Subject: Myth of the Relaxation Response Dear Colleagues... (snore...) You know, I really wonder what crime DOJ committed in his last life, that he has to spend so much time in this one apologizing for TM, and rationalizing why so many quit. Must have been a doozy. Maybe he was the one who offed GD. Sal nah, the one that offed Guru Dev was you. btw, how's that relaxation response workin' for you? lol Hehe :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Myth of the Relaxation Response
regardless of all the scientific mumbo jumbo, wasn't the mantra for the relaxation response, the word 'one'? illustrates the insight into meditation a medical degree will get you... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: David Orme-Johnson [mailto:davi...@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:10 PM To: David Orme-Johnson Subject: Myth of the Relaxation Response
[FairfieldLife] Re: Myth of the Relaxation Response
Sal Sunshine wrote: You know, I really wonder what crime DOJ committed in his last life, that he has to spend so much time in this one apologizing for TM, and rationalizing why so many quit. Must have been a doozy. Maybe he was the one who offed GD. He is Mara I tell you. Get out fast like the house is on fire. Before it's too late! - Kirk Bernhardt MIU Class of '87 Read more: From: John Manning Subject: Big Brother TM Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2002-02-02 17:54:40 PST http://tinyurl.com/9pstun
[FairfieldLife] Re: Myth of the Relaxation Response
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 6, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: David Orme-Johnson [mailto:davi...@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:10 PM To: David Orme-Johnson Subject: Myth of the Relaxation Response Dear Colleagues... (snore...) You know, I really wonder what crime DOJ committed in his last life, that he has to spend so much time in this one apologizing for TM, and rationalizing why so many quit. Must have been a doozy. Maybe he was the one who offed GD. Sal nah, the one that offed Guru Dev was you. btw, how's that relaxation response workin' for you? lol
