[FairfieldLife] Re: Reinvent Yourself!
curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: curtisdeltablues wrote: Some of us already know who we REALLY are. It isn't that big a deal. Curtis, you're talking about the spectrum called personality, right? Not something beyond the physical, right? Isn't our personality and mind beyond the physical? They arises from our physical brain's activity but it is a wonderful nonphysical reality. Hmmm, now this sure sounds like you're a priest with a PhD in psychology. Man, did I want to be one of those all my life, but my aim was off and I ended up wearing a suit with extra wide lapels and driving a cheap car with a SCI pamphlet for a bible. Hey, wait, Bloomfield came a lot closer to that goal, and his highly regarded opinion was that candy is dandy but . . . But I digress. Come on, dude, aren't you slipping up here? You've banged my head repeatedly about anything remotely mystical, and non-physical reality coming out of your keyboard is like seeing Bunny Wigglesworth come over the horizon instead of Zorro. Toss me a definition, eh? If you meant merely radiation, not matter, then that's a much easier to defend definition of a matrix in which personality is embodied or from which mind emerges. If it's radiation or a neuronic processing, then that's still way physical IMO. Word schmerds, eh? If you have the time, I would dwell with a serious intent on your definitions of: Real This is context dependent as a concept. It is meaningful in context. If I am imagining a green dinosaur it is not real in the physical world, but I can tell a story about it and it will be a real part of that story. Discussing this kind of concept outside its concept is a quality of some spiritual discussions that I am not into. Slippery again are ya? If a green dinosaur (a jackalope, right?) is real, then whenever you've stomped me about inserting the concept, God, into a discussion, you must have been thinking of another definition of real -- a higher standard for God is being applied by you, and that's fine, but . . . ahem. Yeah, we know a jackalope is not a sentient entity with a causative potency, and when I speak about God it seems you've often thought that I'm granting Him/Her/It/That not only a physical reality, but actually tacitly defining Him with a hyper-realness that is beyond the physical. And you'd be wrong to think that at least when I use God nowadays. (Might have used it too loosely, the wrong way, in my past posts, but not recently.) Just to be sure you know, I think that God is a process that TM labels amness, but that this is a physical process that dies with the robot; yet this God can be contacted and gotten jiggy with (transcending) and that any attempt to get resonant with it is a powerful therapy for the personality. Not that transcending is like going to a masterclass wherein one acquires the skill to mindfully evolve with a set of God-axioms as the guides, but transcending is having the skill of avoiding the lure of identifying with thoughts and this can be a general dynamic in daily life that's quite useful. Non-physical reality. A mouthful, chew it for us a bit more before we swallow it. Know Again, more useful in context. I am not a complete epistemological skeptic, I believe we do know some things. But if you challenge knowledge in an abstract way you lose it's pragmatic value, which for me is its most important value. OMG knowledge leads to action, flashback central! I have been most focused on building myself a practical epistemology and don't claim to understand ultimate values in life like being and no-being. I know my limitations and am comfortable with them. Nice credo, but do you see the faith aspect of this stance? How do you validate your own thoughts as capsules of truth? Isn't a thought a thought, and therefore being is as handy as jackalope? Yet you are uncomfortable when I use God even when it is obviously used as a metaphor. I'm tired of this between us. I'd like you to see me first and foremost as an athiest -- you'd be wrong, but you'd be a lot closer to where I'm at than if you're thinking I'm over here praying to a non-physcial entity. Note: athiest not an agnostic. I think I KNOW God and that I and anyone is found to be the Witness behind His thoughts if one gets clarity about Identity. KNOW is defined as mere processing, and I don't mean to imply having a universally-found-in-everyone God process, instead, it is an idioscyncratic processing that embodies my deepest held axioms -- like I exist, Isness can be sacred, God's most easily seen in the processing called intuition. Etc. These axioms can be totally fercockt, but yet they are egoicly identified with and used as if they are life-supporting, real-real, divine, etc. And, practically, most folks have an inner set of goodness rules that is operative when we try to do what Maharishi said, Don't do
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reinvent Yourself!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, arhatafreespe...@... wrote: An ad? That's a new one! I'm with Bhairitu on this one, his feedback was valid. I'm glad you are happier surfing then whatever you did on Wall Street. That doesn't mean that I am in some box just because you finally really GOT what was written on your Celestial Seasoning's Hibiscus tea box. Reinvent yourself as a non spammer and create discussions. Most of the posters here have spent enough time with your counterculture message to not need a lecture about it. Some of us already know who we REALLY are. It isn't that big a deal. Now this is an ad, IMO. Arhata, I would suggest being more discrete like just having a link to your website as part of your signature or if someone asked then explaining what you offer and a link. This however, if I were a moderator, looks more blatant. Of course others might say there is TMO spam here too but the TMO does not post directly to FFL and their promotions posted as a topic of discussion. Arhata Osho wrote: Reinvent Yourself! Stuck being You? Is it really YOU? Time to find out who you really are!? It may be a surprise that the ¡real you¢ is much different than who most everyone gets enmeshed in. Reinventing is a technique that might lead to dropping the attached beliefs that one lugs around without real examination. I have found that people are very much a product of what their occupation is! Little do people realize that they become human clones of what they do in life that is structured, particularly in a ¡routine job¢, be it a logger, teacher, nurse, computer programmer, lawyer, engineer, retiree, on and on. Few occupations create an environment with the flexibility to be who one REALLY IS. Of course, race, religion, nationality, status, etc., program people into ¡boxes¢. Dropping my ¡Wall Street¢ clothes for a ¡surfin LA¢ persona that became a total reinvention of the ¡outer¢ has been a tremendous continuing experience! Consciously changing allows the dropping of the ¡cloaking¢ of who you really are not. To merge into a ¡suit¢ of other people¢s expectations of protocol, usually becomes a path to lose touch with who you really are deep down. Living with other people¢s expectations or, one¢s attached to yourself, is buying into a complete facade and waste of a precious life. Locking oneself into the illusionary outer and inner is fear driven. An explosion of the inner emotional, mental, and spiritual self leads to the truth that is what we are all here to find. Time is always ¡today¢ inspite of the illusion of whether one is 10 or 100. Reinventing oneself for discovery or morphing into the true self, is divine. Yesss Self Love Center Est. 1991 arhatafreespe...@... 310 880-2020 Port Townsend, Washington USA Copyright January 7, 2009 http://www.freedomofspeech.netfirms.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reinvent Yourself!
Bizarre response! Most in this group know who they are beyond polarity? That's an interesting speculation! Then why respond as such? Is there judgment here? Dialog would better find a more accurate interpretation. Arhata --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, arhatafreespeech@ ... wrote: An ad? That's a new one! I'm with Bhairitu on this one, his feedback was valid. I'm glad you are happier surfing then whatever you did on Wall Street. That doesn't mean that I am in some box just because you finally really GOT what was written on your Celestial Seasoning's Hibiscus tea box. Reinvent yourself as a non spammer and create discussions. Most of the posters here have spent enough time with your counterculture message to not need a lecture about it. Some of us already know who we REALLY are. It isn't that big a deal. Now this is an ad, IMO. Arhata, I would suggest being more discrete like just having a link to your website as part of your signature or if someone asked then explaining what you offer and a link. This however, if I were a moderator, looks more blatant. Of course others might say there is TMO spam here too but the TMO does not post directly to FFL and their promotions posted as a topic of discussion. Arhata Osho wrote: Reinvent Yourself! Stuck being You? Is it really YOU? Time to find out who you really are!? It may be a surprise that the ¡real you¢ is much different than who most everyone gets enmeshed in. Reinventing is a technique that might lead to dropping the attached beliefs that one lugs around without real examination. I have found that people are very much a product of what their occupation is! Little do people realize that they become human clones of what they do in life that is structured, particularly in a ¡routine job¢, be it a logger, teacher, nurse, computer programmer, lawyer, engineer, retiree, on and on. Few occupations create an environment with the flexibility to be who one REALLY IS. Of course, race, religion, nationality, status, etc., program people into ¡boxes¢. Dropping my ¡Wall Street¢ clothes for a ¡surfin LA¢ persona that became a total reinvention of the ¡outer¢ has been a tremendous continuing experience! Consciously changing allows the dropping of the ¡cloaking¢ of who you really are not. To merge into a ¡suit¢ of other people¢s expectations of protocol, usually becomes a path to lose touch with who you really are deep down. Living with other people¢s expectations or, one¢s attached to yourself, is buying into a complete facade and waste of a precious life. Locking oneself into the illusionary outer and inner is fear driven. An explosion of the inner emotional, mental, and spiritual self leads to the truth that is what we are all here to find. Time is always ¡today¢ inspite of the illusion of whether one is 10 or 100. Reinventing oneself for discovery or morphing into the true self, is divine. Yesss Self Love Center Est. 1991 ArhataFreeSpeech@ ... 310 880-2020 Port Townsend, Washington USA Copyright January 7, 2009 http://www.freedomo fspeech.netfirms .com/ - - -- To subscribe, send a message to: FairfieldLife- subscribe@ yahoogroups. com Or go to: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/FairfieldL ife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reinvent Yourself!
curtisdeltablues wrote: Some of us already know who we REALLY are. It isn't that big a deal. Curtis, you're talking about the spectrum called personality, right? Not something beyond the physical, right? Word schmerds, eh? If you have the time, I would dwell with a serious intent on your definitions of: Real Know And: why it isn't such a big deal to have such clarity. To me, if your statement is taken to be utterly true, then you have found truths of incredible worth. I must admit that I am so different from even last year's version of me, that, whew, I really have no grasp of what I might be next -- it seems to depend on the matrix so much more than on anything I might (don't laugh) plan for myself. Yet, you and others pull off being quite certain who they are/will be/have been with such an aura of conviction that my above POV is shaken. Am I in denial about knowing my real self? Questions: when did you finally become you? when did you finally conclude that you had finally concluded about who you are? how does change impact your certainties? aging must mellow all so how does that jibe witcha? do you have axioms that have not been shaken for years, decades, a lifetime? Oh, too much to ask of you, but if you have the time Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reinvent Yourself!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Questions: when did you finally become you? when did you finally conclude that you had finally concluded about who you are? how does change impact your certainties? aging must mellow all so how does that jibe witcha? do you have axioms that have not been shaken for years, decades, a lifetime? I'm not Curtis, but as axioms go I'm going to have to vote for, Don't eat the yellow snow. It's really hard to go wrong with that one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reinvent Yourself!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: curtisdeltablues wrote: Some of us already know who we REALLY are. It isn't that big a deal. Curtis, you're talking about the spectrum called personality, right? Not something beyond the physical, right? Isn't our personality and mind beyond the physical? They arises from our physical brain's activity but it is a wonderful nonphysical reality. Word schmerds, eh? If you have the time, I would dwell with a serious intent on your definitions of: Real This is context dependent as a concept. It is meaningful in context. If I am imagining a green dinosaur it is not real in the physical world, but I can tell a story about it and it will be a real part of that story. Discussing this kind of concept outside its concept is a quality of some spiritual discussions that I am not into. Know Again, more useful in context. I am not a complete epistemological skeptic, I believe we do know some things. But if you challenge knowledge in an abstract way you lose it's pragmatic value, which for me is its most important value. OMG knowledge leads to action, flashback central! I have been most focused on building myself a practical epistemology and don't claim to understand ultimate values in life like being and no-being. I know my limitations and am comfortable with them. And: why it isn't such a big deal to have such clarity. To me, if your statement is taken to be utterly true, then you have found truths of incredible worth. In my 20's I had more confusion and doubts about myself. Now I am more comfortable through living with myself in different situations. I think getting older IS profound but not in some cosmic sense. My process of living with immigrants and having friends from different cultures made me feel more at home in the world and less insecure about how much of it I had experienced. I must admit that I am so different from even last year's version of me, that, whew, I really have no grasp of what I might be next -- it seems to depend on the matrix so much more than on anything I might (don't laugh) plan for myself. Yet, you and others pull off being quite certain who they are/will be/have been with such an aura of conviction that my above POV is shaken. Am I in denial about knowing my real self? It probably depends on your definition for real self. My opinions about things change, but who I am stays constant. I can clarify and change certain values but my processes for doing that is similar. I can re-invent myself in some ways, but it is all done from the core of who I am. Questions: when did you finally become you? when did you finally conclude that you had finally concluded about who you are? how does change impact your certainties? aging must mellow all so how does that jibe witcha? do you have axioms that have not been shaken for years, decades, a lifetime? I believe that the decade after I left the movement was the decade I gained self-actualization in Maslow's sense of the term. I don't know exactly when since I don't consider it static. But I definitely noticed that at some point I was dealing with life from a better place internally, with more self-knowledge and more knowledge of how life works. I became more comfortable with all the stuff I don't know and the ambiguities of life. I would also throw in the death of a loved one as a pivotal moment in my consciousness. It changed me in a very positive way. Certainties is not a word I would use. I would call it a functional mental tool kit. With good evidence I change my POV regularly. I think aging makes me more comfortable with ambiguity and a bit less harshly judgmental of other people's choices. But I know I can still be a prick so I keep an eye on myself. Oh, too much to ask of you, but if you have the time It is a privilege to be asked such questions. Having someone give a shit about your POV across the digital abyss is a wonderful thing so thanks! Now back at you brother, what is your take on your own questions? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reinvent Yourself!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Arhata Osho arhatafreespe...@... wrote: Bizarre response! Thanks, I hope it was entertaining. Most in this group know who they are beyond polarity? Yes. That's an interesting speculation! Then why respond as such? Because you were preaching to the choir. Is there judgment here? Yes. Dialog would better find a more accurate interpretation. Wh? Arhata God bless you. --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, arhatafreespeech@ ... wrote: An ad? That's a new one! I'm with Bhairitu on this one, his feedback was valid. I'm glad you are happier surfing then whatever you did on Wall Street. That doesn't mean that I am in some box just because you finally really GOT what was written on your Celestial Seasoning's Hibiscus tea box. Reinvent yourself as a non spammer and create discussions. Most of the posters here have spent enough time with your counterculture message to not need a lecture about it. Some of us already know who we REALLY are. It isn't that big a deal. Now this is an ad, IMO. Arhata, I would suggest being more discrete like just having a link to your website as part of your signature or if someone asked then explaining what you offer and a link. This however, if I were a moderator, looks more blatant. Of course others might say there is TMO spam here too but the TMO does not post directly to FFL and their promotions posted as a topic of discussion. Arhata Osho wrote: Reinvent Yourself! Stuck being You? Is it really YOU? Time to find out who you really are!? It may be a surprise that the ¡real you¢ is much different than who most everyone gets enmeshed in. Reinventing is a technique that might lead to dropping the attached beliefs that one lugs around without real examination. I have found that people are very much a product of what their occupation is! Little do people realize that they become human clones of what they do in life that is structured, particularly in a ¡routine job¢, be it a logger, teacher, nurse, computer programmer, lawyer, engineer, retiree, on and on. Few occupations create an environment with the flexibility to be who one REALLY IS. Of course, race, religion, nationality, status, etc., program people into ¡boxes¢. Dropping my ¡Wall Street¢ clothes for a ¡surfin LA¢ persona that became a total reinvention of the ¡outer¢ has been a tremendous continuing experience! Consciously changing allows the dropping of the ¡cloaking¢ of who you really are not. To merge into a ¡suit¢ of other people¢s expectations of protocol, usually becomes a path to lose touch with who you really are deep down. Living with other people¢s expectations or, one¢s attached to yourself, is buying into a complete facade and waste of a precious life. Locking oneself into the illusionary outer and inner is fear driven. An explosion of the inner emotional, mental, and spiritual self leads to the truth that is what we are all here to find. Time is always ¡today¢ inspite of the illusion of whether one is 10 or 100. Reinventing oneself for discovery or morphing into the true self, is divine. Yesss Self Love Center Est. 1991 ArhataFreeSpeech@ ... 310 880-2020 Port Townsend, Washington USA Copyright January 7, 2009 http://www.freedomo fspeech.netfirms .com/ - - -- To subscribe, send a message to: FairfieldLife- subscribe@ yahoogroups. com Or go to: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/FairfieldL ife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
