Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Richard, are you a blood thirsty jingoist? (GO RON PAUL ! ! !)
Well, Edg, I've been meaning to tell you that I do enjoy your writing and the good heart of it. I don't always agree, but I do love good writing. Turq does it also as do Deltablues and Bhairitu. Good writing regardless of opinions expressed. Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You're right, of coursesweet truth and all that, but I reserve my right to be a thorn in the face of a briar patch. I love to use concepts at both ends of the spectrum. If I thought anyone was taking me seriously here, I'd have to reconsider this position, but who cares about my words? Hopefully those with a sense of poetry can enjoy my concoctions for what they are -- exuberance in creativity. I have posted some very nice sweet essays, and they get about one response on average. Proof that the mindset here is far more tuned into spotting error than seeing "the light" and praising it. So, I go with the crowd and yell my fool head off. Sue me. And, truly, what would one assign as punishment to anyone who would support the murder of whole countries, cultures and the children within them? Only God can be wise enough to begin to approach this issue, but if I saw anyone pouring gasoline on top of a child's head, I'd get physical immediately, yet 10,000 kids die of starvation everyday because of American foreign policies, and our soldiers -- real and the "private army" -- are now accused to have been brutal beyond measures THOUSANDS OF TIMES in Iraq. Torture R Us and taking the life of child's parent is nothing to us even though that kid will almost certainly become a terrorist. What would you do if a private army contractor gunned down your family? Do you think "going to jail for the rest of your life" would stop you from revenge? Get serious. You'd start making roadside bombs. When do I get to be politically active? -- at least with my harsh tone I'm conveying my turmoil. The way I see it, BushCo is going to do something "big" to declare martial law unless Hillary or a war-mongering Repug gets the nod. McCain, I love him for his sacrifice in Viet Nam, but this doesn't make him a good war-winner, or better yet, a peace maker. There's millions of Arabs here already -- where's the terrorism? All of them have relatives that were turned into hamburger, but our bridges still stand, our trains are not derailed, our nuke plants are not blown up, etc. etc. Call me stupid, but the Arabs in America must be saints to be daily forgiving so much and suffering such negativity in the BigMedia propaganda despite their forbearance. Outraged am I? Yep. Why aren't you? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "If so, fuck you with a KKK flaming cross up your ass and out your > mouth -- just to give you a taste of the hell you're surely destined > to arrive at." > > > This is uncool and unnecessary Edg. How can you seriously expect > Richard to discuss this topic with this kind of attack? It makes you > sound unhinged. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > Richard, > > > > It seems you're being jingoistic. Extremely so. It is appalling and > > disturbing. > > > > I'm going to rip you a new one, so grab your ass, and see you can > > stand a look into the mirror. Of the 1000 people who read this, I'm > > guessing 950+ will agree with this assessment of your immoral > > presentation. > > > > For all your education on Eastern Wisdom, you're coming-off, below, as > > someone who would be saying "my country right or wrong" and "if they > > aren't white, kill 'em without regard." > > > > Yes? I have purposefully made the above statement way beyond what I > > hope you actually are resonant with, but unless you BACKTRACK BIGTIME, > > the above statement is rather a mild piece of scorn compared to what > > one should have happen as a punishment for almost any act that would > > emerge from the criminal mindset you're espousing. > > > > We invaded Iraq immorally, illegally, with brutal murderous intent and > > with stealing oil as our true reason for doing so. > > > > I find you guilty of mindfully ignoring: > > > > 1. the suffering of tens of millions of people, > > 2. the deaths of a million people, > > 3. the deaths of 4,000 US service men and women, > > 4. the ruination of our Bill of Rights, > > 5. the utter disgrace of America in the eyes of the world, > > 6. the possibility of WWIII, > > 7. the defense of doing "first strike on Iran with nukes," and > > 8. the private armies that have been formed by BigBiz > > > > And that's just for starters. > > > > BigMedia's brainwashed masses have been forced into a mindset where > > "24" is considered entertainment, and "righteous inquisition" is a > > concept that's touted as one's civil duty -- see a terrorist, > > torture a terrorist. Only
[FairfieldLife] Re: Richard, are you a blood thirsty jingoist? (GO RON PAUL ! ! !)
Brian Horsfield wrote: > Popular Mechanic is owned by Hearst whose founder coined > the term "yellow journalism". It is all about defending > the military industrial complex. > "A red herring is a metaphor for a diversion or distraction from an original objective." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring "These theories are generally not accepted as credible by political leaders, mainstream journalists, and independent researchers who have concluded that responsibility for the attacks and the resulting destruction rests solely with Al Qaeda." Source: 'September 11, 2001 attacks' Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
[FairfieldLife] Re: Richard, are you a blood thirsty jingoist? (GO RON PAUL ! ! !)
Oh pull the other one! Popular Mechanic is owned by Hearst whose founder coined the term "yellow journalism". It is all about defending the military industrial complex. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Angela Mailander wrote: > > It does make Edg seem unhinged, but I politely > > suggested to Richard that investigating 9/11 as > > a possible inside job was a patriotic thing to do, > > a necessary thing to do if we want to keep our > > democracy, rather than a conspiracy nut case thing > > to do, and he never responded. > > > 'The Real Story Behind the F-15 Stand-Down: News Analysis' > By Joe Pappalardo > Popular Mechanics, November 16, 2007 > http://tinyurl.com/39hxqm > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/157562 >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Richard, are you a blood thirsty jingoist? (GO RON PAUL ! ! !)
Duveyoung wrote: > There's millions of Arabs here already -- where's > the terrorism? > Well, there have been no terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11, so I guess the present plan is working. But, we need to secure our borders and send all the illegal aliens back to where they came from. In Iraq the surge is working, so we might still win the battle over there. We'll probably have to send troops into Sudan soon to stop the genocide there. So we'll need a president who has the guts to do that. "The United Nations documents that hundreds of people have been killed in about 20 land and air attacks carried out by the government of Sudan and its affiliated militia in the past six months. Humanitarian workers have also been victimized." Read more: 'A Critical Moment for Darfur' Wall Street Journal, December 11, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/2mk9k4 What we don't need now is to call a retreat and give up on spreading democracy. I support regime change - I'll vote for whoever can best lead our troops to victory, but I have my doubts about Hillary Clinton: wasn't it her husband that retreated after just a single Black Hawk went down in Somalia? But Bill bombed the hell out of Serbia - go figure. "A year after the U.S.-backed Ethiopian army toppled a hard-line Islamist regime in Somalia, the country has become Africa's worst humanitarian catastrophe." Full story: 'Somalia has turned into Africa's worst humanitarian catastrophe' By Shashank Bengali Kansas City Star, Wed, Dec. 12, 2007 http://www.kansascity.com/news/world/story/401368.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Richard, are you a blood thirsty jingoist? (GO RON PAUL ! ! !)
Bhairitu wrote: > Yup, Richard is a masochist (in case anyone hasn't > figured that out by now). > And you too, seem to come unhinged whenever we discuss politics.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Richard, are you a blood thirsty jingoist? (GO RON PAUL ! ! !)
Angela Mailander wrote: > It does make Edg seem unhinged, but I politely > suggested to Richard that investigating 9/11 as > a possible inside job was a patriotic thing to do, > a necessary thing to do if we want to keep our > democracy, rather than a conspiracy nut case thing > to do, and he never responded. > 'The Real Story Behind the F-15 Stand-Down: News Analysis' By Joe Pappalardo Popular Mechanics, November 16, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/39hxqm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/157562
[FairfieldLife] Re: Richard, are you a blood thirsty jingoist? (GO RON PAUL ! ! !)
Bhairitu wrote: > He lives under a bridge. > Maybe so, but I didn't vote for a loser like John Kerry. However, it should be noted that Kerry is a Vietnam Vet and voted to authorize the President to use force to unseat Saddam, so it looks like you're the jigoistic one in this topic. Ed will or should rip you a new one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Richard, are you a blood thirsty jingoist? (GO RON PAUL ! ! !)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You're right, of coursesweet truth and all that, but I reserve my > right to be a thorn in the face of a briar patch. I am not even advocating only sweet truth here. I read your posts. But this kind of attack shuts down conversation was my point. It makes you seem as if you don't comprehend that complex issues may give rise to many points of view other than your own. It also pins something on a person that may have nothing to do with them. Anyone could get outraged about any topic and make someone a target for that idea. But it is "doctrine over person" to use a cult term. It doesn't allow for any nuance in the discussion once you have identified someone as personified evil. "Outraged am I? Yep. Why aren't you?" I may be picking different battles than you are. > > I love to use concepts at both ends of the spectrum. If I thought > anyone was taking me seriously here, I'd have to reconsider this > position, but who cares about my words? Hopefully those with a sense > of poetry can enjoy my concoctions for what they are -- exuberance in > creativity. I have posted some very nice sweet essays, and they get > about one response on average. Proof that the mindset here is far > more tuned into spotting error than seeing "the light" and praising > it. So, I go with the crowd and yell my fool head off. Sue me. > > And, truly, what would one assign as punishment to anyone who would > support the murder of whole countries, cultures and the children > within them? Only God can be wise enough to begin to approach this > issue, but if I saw anyone pouring gasoline on top of a child's head, > I'd get physical immediately, yet 10,000 kids die of starvation > everyday because of American foreign policies, and our soldiers -- > real and the "private army" -- are now accused to have been brutal > beyond measures THOUSANDS OF TIMES in Iraq. Torture R Us and taking > the life of child's parent is nothing to us even though that kid will > almost certainly become a terrorist. What would you do if a private > army contractor gunned down your family? Do you think "going to jail > for the rest of your life" would stop you from revenge? Get serious. > You'd start making roadside bombs. > > When do I get to be politically active? -- at least with my harsh tone > I'm conveying my turmoil. > > The way I see it, BushCo is going to do something "big" to declare > martial law unless Hillary or a war-mongering Repug gets the nod. > > McCain, I love him for his sacrifice in Viet Nam, but this doesn't > make him a good war-winner, or better yet, a peace maker. > > There's millions of Arabs here already -- where's the terrorism? All > of them have relatives that were turned into hamburger, but our > bridges still stand, our trains are not derailed, our nuke plants are > not blown up, etc. etc. Call me stupid, but the Arabs in America must > be saints to be daily forgiving so much and suffering such negativity > in the BigMedia propaganda despite their forbearance. > > Outraged am I? > > Yep. > > Why aren't you? > > Edg > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > "If so, fuck you with a KKK flaming cross up your ass and out your > > mouth -- just to give you a taste of the hell you're surely destined > > to arrive at." > > > > > > This is uncool and unnecessary Edg. How can you seriously expect > > Richard to discuss this topic with this kind of attack? It makes you > > sound unhinged. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > Richard, > > > > > > It seems you're being jingoistic. Extremely so. It is appalling and > > > disturbing. > > > > > > I'm going to rip you a new one, so grab your ass, and see you can > > > stand a look into the mirror. Of the 1000 people who read this, I'm > > > guessing 950+ will agree with this assessment of your immoral > > > presentation. > > > > > > For all your education on Eastern Wisdom, you're coming-off, below, as > > > someone who would be saying "my country right or wrong" and "if they > > > aren't white, kill 'em without regard." > > > > > > Yes? I have purposefully made the above statement way beyond what I > > > hope you actually are resonant with, but unless you BACKTRACK BIGTIME, > > > the above statement is rather a mild piece of scorn compared to what > > > one should have happen as a punishment for almost any act that would > > > emerge from the criminal mindset you're espousing. > > > > > > We invaded Iraq immorally, illegally, with brutal murderous intent and > > > with stealing oil as our true reason for doing so. > > > > > > I find you guilty of mindfully ignoring: > > > > > > 1. the suffering of tens of millions of people, > > > 2. the deaths of a million people, > > > 3. the deaths of 4,000 US service men and women, > > > 4. the ruination of our Bill of Rights, > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Richard, are you a blood thirsty jingoist? (GO RON PAUL ! ! !)
You're right, of coursesweet truth and all that, but I reserve my right to be a thorn in the face of a briar patch. I love to use concepts at both ends of the spectrum. If I thought anyone was taking me seriously here, I'd have to reconsider this position, but who cares about my words? Hopefully those with a sense of poetry can enjoy my concoctions for what they are -- exuberance in creativity. I have posted some very nice sweet essays, and they get about one response on average. Proof that the mindset here is far more tuned into spotting error than seeing "the light" and praising it. So, I go with the crowd and yell my fool head off. Sue me. And, truly, what would one assign as punishment to anyone who would support the murder of whole countries, cultures and the children within them? Only God can be wise enough to begin to approach this issue, but if I saw anyone pouring gasoline on top of a child's head, I'd get physical immediately, yet 10,000 kids die of starvation everyday because of American foreign policies, and our soldiers -- real and the "private army" -- are now accused to have been brutal beyond measures THOUSANDS OF TIMES in Iraq. Torture R Us and taking the life of child's parent is nothing to us even though that kid will almost certainly become a terrorist. What would you do if a private army contractor gunned down your family? Do you think "going to jail for the rest of your life" would stop you from revenge? Get serious. You'd start making roadside bombs. When do I get to be politically active? -- at least with my harsh tone I'm conveying my turmoil. The way I see it, BushCo is going to do something "big" to declare martial law unless Hillary or a war-mongering Repug gets the nod. McCain, I love him for his sacrifice in Viet Nam, but this doesn't make him a good war-winner, or better yet, a peace maker. There's millions of Arabs here already -- where's the terrorism? All of them have relatives that were turned into hamburger, but our bridges still stand, our trains are not derailed, our nuke plants are not blown up, etc. etc. Call me stupid, but the Arabs in America must be saints to be daily forgiving so much and suffering such negativity in the BigMedia propaganda despite their forbearance. Outraged am I? Yep. Why aren't you? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "If so, fuck you with a KKK flaming cross up your ass and out your > mouth -- just to give you a taste of the hell you're surely destined > to arrive at." > > > This is uncool and unnecessary Edg. How can you seriously expect > Richard to discuss this topic with this kind of attack? It makes you > sound unhinged. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > Richard, > > > > It seems you're being jingoistic. Extremely so. It is appalling and > > disturbing. > > > > I'm going to rip you a new one, so grab your ass, and see you can > > stand a look into the mirror. Of the 1000 people who read this, I'm > > guessing 950+ will agree with this assessment of your immoral > > presentation. > > > > For all your education on Eastern Wisdom, you're coming-off, below, as > > someone who would be saying "my country right or wrong" and "if they > > aren't white, kill 'em without regard." > > > > Yes? I have purposefully made the above statement way beyond what I > > hope you actually are resonant with, but unless you BACKTRACK BIGTIME, > > the above statement is rather a mild piece of scorn compared to what > > one should have happen as a punishment for almost any act that would > > emerge from the criminal mindset you're espousing. > > > > We invaded Iraq immorally, illegally, with brutal murderous intent and > > with stealing oil as our true reason for doing so. > > > > I find you guilty of mindfully ignoring: > > > > 1. the suffering of tens of millions of people, > > 2. the deaths of a million people, > > 3. the deaths of 4,000 US service men and women, > > 4. the ruination of our Bill of Rights, > > 5. the utter disgrace of America in the eyes of the world, > > 6. the possibility of WWIII, > > 7. the defense of doing "first strike on Iran with nukes," and > > 8. the private armies that have been formed by BigBiz > > > > And that's just for starters. > > > > BigMedia's brainwashed masses have been forced into a mindset where > > "24" is considered entertainment, and "righteous inquisition" is a > > concept that's touted as one's civil duty -- see a terrorist, > > torture a terrorist. Only the warped personalities in the Roman > > Coliseum as they slavered for martyr blood could approach the low > > evilness of this conscious disregard for suffering in others. > > > > Richard, are you really this horrid? > > > > If so, you sully the group consciousness here with a black-hearted > > intent to persuade us of your blood-thirsty imperialistic marauding > > predatory immorality. > > > > If so, fuck you
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Richard, are you a blood thirsty jingoist? (GO RON PAUL ! ! !)
It does make Edg seem unhinged, but I politely suggested to Richard that investigating 9/11 as a possible inside job was a patriotic thing to do, a necessary thing to do if we want to keep our democracy, rather than a conspiracy nut case thing to do, and he never responded. So maybe Edg's unhinged rudeness will get results? We'll see. curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "If so, fuck you with a KKK flaming cross up your ass and out your mouth -- just to give you a taste of the hell you're surely destined to arrive at." This is uncool and unnecessary Edg. How can you seriously expect Richard to discuss this topic with this kind of attack? It makes you sound unhinged. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Richard, > > It seems you're being jingoistic. Extremely so. It is appalling and > disturbing. > > I'm going to rip you a new one, so grab your ass, and see you can > stand a look into the mirror. Of the 1000 people who read this, I'm > guessing 950+ will agree with this assessment of your immoral > presentation. > > For all your education on Eastern Wisdom, you're coming-off, below, as > someone who would be saying "my country right or wrong" and "if they > aren't white, kill 'em without regard." > > Yes? I have purposefully made the above statement way beyond what I > hope you actually are resonant with, but unless you BACKTRACK BIGTIME, > the above statement is rather a mild piece of scorn compared to what > one should have happen as a punishment for almost any act that would > emerge from the criminal mindset you're espousing. > > We invaded Iraq immorally, illegally, with brutal murderous intent and > with stealing oil as our true reason for doing so. > > I find you guilty of mindfully ignoring: > > 1. the suffering of tens of millions of people, > 2. the deaths of a million people, > 3. the deaths of 4,000 US service men and women, > 4. the ruination of our Bill of Rights, > 5. the utter disgrace of America in the eyes of the world, > 6. the possibility of WWIII, > 7. the defense of doing "first strike on Iran with nukes," and > 8. the private armies that have been formed by BigBiz > > And that's just for starters. > > BigMedia's brainwashed masses have been forced into a mindset where > "24" is considered entertainment, and "righteous inquisition" is a > concept that's touted as one's civil duty -- see a terrorist, > torture a terrorist. Only the warped personalities in the Roman > Coliseum as they slavered for martyr blood could approach the low > evilness of this conscious disregard for suffering in others. > > Richard, are you really this horrid? > > If so, you sully the group consciousness here with a black-hearted > intent to persuade us of your blood-thirsty imperialistic marauding > predatory immorality. > > If so, fuck you with a KKK flaming cross up your ass and out your > mouth -- just to give you a taste of the hell you're surely destined > to arrive at. > > Say it ain't so, Richard, and I'll apologize as creatively as I've > besmirched you above. > > Edg > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" > wrote: > > > > Brian Horsfield wrote: > > > Richard, are you seriously supporting the McCain > > > doctrine for continued war? > > > > > So, we are agreed that the U.S. is in a war. Then, > > I'm thinking of voting for the candidate who can win > > the war, not lose it. Ron Paul has zero experience > > winning any wars and apparently has no plan of how > > to win this one. I want to vote for a winner, not a > > loser, don't you? McCain has the most experience in > > fighting wars and the most experience in the U.S. > > Congress. And McCain is electable - I think he could > > be a winner. > > > > Hillary Clinton may be an electable candidate and I > > could vote for her as well. She supports the war and > > wants to win it - she supports regime change and voted > > to authorize the President to use force against Saddam > > Hussain. Bill Clinton thought Iraq had something to > > do with the war - he bombed Iraq and destroyed a soap > > factory and killed a camel. > > > > > Every candidate "says" they will end the war - like > > > the Democrats said in 2006. > > > > > Maybe so, but I'm going to vote for the experienced > > warrior. If Duncan Hunter is nominated, I'd vote for > > him. He is a Vietnam Veteran - he knows what it takes > > to win a war. Hunter also has the best plan to make > > the U.S. safe with border security, an essential part > > of winning the war. > > > > > The civilian death toll is close to one million by > > > independant estimates using change in the death rates > > > since the US invaded. > > > > > According to what I've read, Saddam Hussien caused the > > death of over two million people. > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Richard, are you a blood thirsty jingoist? (GO RON PAUL ! ! !)
Richard, Come on. You've increased your posting here recently and seem to be trying to actually communicate instead of, you know, like me, rant and run. But for you to cite the Senate vote as justification for war is sheer disingeniuity. Are you forgetting the WMD lies? Who cares if Saddam murdered 2 million -- this justifies our killing another million? And we put Saddam in power, so his murders are on "our watch" not to speak of "our karma." And we lost the Viet Nam war -- period. More telling is your avoidance of addressing the issue of suffering. You seem to not understand pain. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Duveyoung wrote: > > We invaded Iraq immorally, illegally, with brutal > > murderous intent and with stealing oil as our true > > reason for doing so. > > > The U.S. Senate voted 77-23 to authorize the President > to use force to unseat Saddam Hussein. The majority of > the leaders in Great Britain and Australia agreed. Most > of them haven't changed their minds about this decision. > > All I'm saying is that if it's true that we are in a war, > then I would vote for the party and the candidate that I > think can win the war. I don't want to be on the losing > side of a war - that would be suicide. The U.S. has never > before lost a war and I don't think we will lose this one. > Iraq is just a battle in the worldwide war against the > terrorists. > > "Really, if Clinton is going to suggest that Americans > want the person most ready to be President on Day 1, > which includes immediately taking charge of the war > effort and dealing with our most pressing national > security threats, she's just making the case for McCain. > No other candidate even comes close to passing that test. > And to say that we should vote for that candidate over > someone who started running for President from his first > day in the Senate is to again make the case for McCain > over herself in a general election." > > Read more: > > 'Hillary questions her own candidacy, promotes McCain' > By Drew Cline > http://blogs.unionleader.com/andrew-cline/?p=1005 >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Richard, are you a blood thirsty jingoist? (GO RON PAUL ! ! !)
Duveyoung wrote: > We invaded Iraq immorally, illegally, with brutal > murderous intent and with stealing oil as our true > reason for doing so. > The U.S. Senate voted 77-23 to authorize the President to use force to unseat Saddam Hussein. The majority of the leaders in Great Britain and Australia agreed. Most of them haven't changed their minds about this decision. All I'm saying is that if it's true that we are in a war, then I would vote for the party and the candidate that I think can win the war. I don't want to be on the losing side of a war - that would be suicide. The U.S. has never before lost a war and I don't think we will lose this one. Iraq is just a battle in the worldwide war against the terrorists. "Really, if Clinton is going to suggest that Americans want the person most ready to be President on Day 1, which includes immediately taking charge of the war effort and dealing with our most pressing national security threats, she's just making the case for McCain. No other candidate even comes close to passing that test. And to say that we should vote for that candidate over someone who started running for President from his first day in the Senate is to again make the case for McCain over herself in a general election." Read more: 'Hillary questions her own candidacy, promotes McCain' By Drew Cline http://blogs.unionleader.com/andrew-cline/?p=1005
