[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
I really wish you knew Sanskrit better than you seem to... Vaj: My Patanjali guru was a pundit of Sanskrit and knew over a dozen other languages... But probably not Tibetan! Vaj seems not to be aware that Dream Yoga has been practiced by Tibetan Buddhists for years. I would assume that Vaj has not had any Tibetan Buddhist training. In a recent excange Vaj didn't seem to be aware of Trungpa's Shamballa project! In Tibetan Dream Yoga, maintaining full consciousness while in the dream state is part of Dzogchen training. This training is described by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche as 'Rigpa Awareness'. Lucid dreaming is secondary to the experience of 'Diamond Light'. Rigpa Awareness is very similar to 'witnessing sleep' in TM, which helps the individual understand the unreality of waking consciousness as phenomena. Apparently the EEG patterns are the same in Rigpa Awareness as in TM. Read more: 'Tibetan Yoga Of Dream And Sleep' by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche Snow Lion, 1998 Other titles of interest: 'Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines' By Lama Kazi Dawa-Samdup and W. Y. Evans-Wentz Oxford University Press, 1967 'The Secret Oral Teachings in Tibetan Buddhist Sects' Alexandra David-Neel City Lights, 2001
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On May 8, 2010, at 4:50 PM, cardemaister wrote:
OK! Please, just don't claim anymore, that Patanjali *himself* was
against practising the siddhis, unless you can prove that the
pronoun 'te' in 'te samaadhaav upasargaa...' refers to all the
siddhis, not just those mentioned in the previous suutra!
(Vyaasa: 'te *praatibhaadayaH*...')
I can only tell you what I was instructed, mouth to ear, in the Patanjali
trad. If you want to make up something else, go for it.
So, you appreciate those guys more than commentators like e.g.
Vyaasa (te praatibhaadayaH...*) and Bhojadeva (te praakpratipaaditaaH...**)?
* Can only refer to some list where 'praatibha' is first.
** Can only refer to the suutras *before* III 36 (or whatever it's
in various editions), not for instance the YF suutra. Most probably
refers only to the suutra previously mentioned, even though
'praak-pratipaaditaaH' is in in plural (praatibha: intuition;
shraavana: hearing; vedana: touch; aadarsha: sight; aasvaada: taste;
vaartaa: smell)
prAJc , f. {prA3cI} turned forwards, being in front, facing; turned
eastwards, easterly; previous, former; m. pl. the eastern (people or
grammarians). Acc. w. {kR} bring, offer, promote, further; w. {kalpay} turn
one's front towards. n. ***{prA3k} ({prAG}) in front, before (w. abl. of pl.
t.); eastward, in the east of (abl.); formerly, previously, first, at first,
from now***. Instr. {prAcA3} forwards; abl. {prAca3s} from the front. f.
{prA3cI} ({ñdiz}) the east.
[Vaj, I really wish you knew Sanskrit better than you seem
to. Same might apply to your Patanjali gurus... ;)]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: 5. atha paJcamaM vidvasaMnyaasaprakaraNam 5.1 yoginaaM parahaMsaanaaM margaH 5.1.4 kevalayoginaM kevalaM paramahaMsaM ca vaarayituM padadvayam uktam kevalayogii tattvajnaanaabhavena trikaalajnaanaakazagamanadiSu yogaizvaryacamatkaaravyavahaareSv aasaktaH saMyamaviZeSais tatra tatrodyuktas, tataH paramapuruSaarthaad bhraSTo bhavati. Well, gots to admit that's way better transliteration than most Roman ones by bharata-people on, say, the PaaNini-group! :D Right away, I could only catch two (2) mistakes: trikaalajnaanaakazagamanadiSu should rather be trikaalajnaanaakaazagamanaadiSu (tri-kaala-jnaana[jñaana]- aakaasha-gamana-aadiSu).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: trikaalajnaanaakazagamanadiSu should rather be trikaalajnaanaakaazagamanaadiSu (tri-kaala-jnaana[jñaana]- aakaasha-gamana-aadiSu). BTW, that's teh way to refer to all the siddhis in vibhuuti- paada: take as an example the *first one* (III 16: atiitaanaagata- jñaanam aka tri-kaala-jñaanam) and a rather dramatic one, YF!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
On May 9, 2010, at 3:35 AM, cardemaister wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On May 8, 2010, at 4:50 PM, cardemaister wrote:
OK! Please, just don't claim anymore, that Patanjali *himself* was
against practising the siddhis, unless you can prove that the
pronoun 'te' in 'te samaadhaav upasargaa...' refers to all the
siddhis, not just those mentioned in the previous suutra!
(Vyaasa: 'te *praatibhaadayaH*...')
I can only tell you what I was instructed, mouth to ear, in the Patanjali
trad. If you want to make up something else, go for it.
So, you appreciate those guys more than commentators like e.g.
Vyaasa (te praatibhaadayaH...*) and Bhojadeva (te praakpratipaaditaaH...**)?
My teacher taught based on oral tradition and the 24 most reputable
commentaries on the YS. So no, it wasn't just limited to Vyasa. Patanjali is an
oral and experiential tradition. Without a teacher you'll never understand it,
as it cannot be learned from books or from linear reading.
* Can only refer to some list where 'praatibha' is first.
** Can only refer to the suutras *before* III 36 (or whatever it's
in various editions), not for instance the YF suutra. Most probably
refers only to the suutra previously mentioned, even though
'praak-pratipaaditaaH' is in in plural (praatibha: intuition;
shraavana: hearing; vedana: touch; aadarsha: sight; aasvaada: taste;
vaartaa: smell)
prAJc , f. {prA3cI} turned forwards, being in front, facing; turned
eastwards, easterly; previous, former; m. pl. the eastern (people or
grammarians). Acc. w. {kR} bring, offer, promote, further; w. {kalpay} turn
one's front towards. n. ***{prA3k} ({prAG}) in front, before (w. abl. of pl.
t.); eastward, in the east of (abl.); formerly, previously, first, at
first, from now***. Instr. {prAcA3} forwards; abl. {prAca3s} from the front.
f. {prA3cI} ({ñdiz}) the east.
[Vaj, I really wish you knew Sanskrit better than you seem
to. Same might apply to your Patanjali gurus... ;)]
My Patanjali guru was a pundit of Sanskrit and knew over a dozen other
languages.
Your confusion on this verse is because you don't know which verses it's
pointing to in the first and second pada and the principles of delusion implied
from Samkhya, the kleshas, etc. Te, these, refers to the 8 kinds of
darkness, the 8 kinds of stupidity, the 8 kinds of Big stupidity, etc. Really
these forms of delusion and stupidity aren't limited to such lists, but are
actually infinite, like the ways of awakening. But since yogic siddhis lock one
into fascination and obsession at the level of the waking state, it locks you
out of the interiority required for mastery of samadhi and the atman. That why
it's said siddhis increase the samskaras of outwardness, the mind scars of the
outward-stroke. One merely has to look at TM sidhas and their obsession with
yogic hopping to see these dynamics of delusion at play, locking the believers
into it's trap. But they stick around and buy product, take recertification
courses, etc. so it has the effect that Mahesh desired: cash flow.
Have you seen David Wants to Fly yet?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip One merely has to look at TM sidhas and their obsession with yogic hopping to see these dynamics of delusion at play, locking the believers into it's trap. Well, some of them. Others are focused on the development of consciousness resulting from the practice of the TM-Sidhis program as a whole, as well as the benefits of that development in daily life. The fact that flying isn't happening has ensured that most TM-Sidhis practitioners *aren't* (or aren't any longer) obsessed with the possibility of flying and have settled in for the long haul without being locked into any traps.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip One merely has to look at TM sidhas and their obsession with yogic hopping to see these dynamics of delusion at play, locking the believers into it's trap. Well, some of them. Others are focused on the development of consciousness resulting from the practice of the TM-Sidhis program as a whole, as well as the benefits of that development in daily life. The fact that flying isn't happening has ensured that most TM-Sidhis practitioners *aren't* (or aren't any longer) obsessed with the possibility of flying and have settled in for the long haul without being locked into any traps. Not trying to start a fight or anything, merely making a funny, but what part of people settling in for the long haul after finding out that flying was a lie strikes you as *not* a trap? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip One merely has to look at TM sidhas and their obsession with yogic hopping to see these dynamics of delusion at play, locking the believers into it's trap. Well, some of them. Others are focused on the development of consciousness resulting from the practice of the TM-Sidhis program as a whole, as well as the benefits of that development in daily life. The fact that flying isn't happening has ensured that most TM-Sidhis practitioners *aren't* (or aren't any longer) obsessed with the possibility of flying and have settled in for the long haul without being locked into any traps. Not trying to start a fight or anything, Of course not! How could anybody suspect you of such a thing? merely making a funny, but what part of people settling in for the long haul after finding out that flying was a lie Well, we didn't find out it was a lie, of course. strikes you as *not* a trap? :-) I guess if you consider enjoying development of consciousness and its benefits in daily life (see my first paragraph--you apparently didn't read it in your haste to make a funny) to be a trap, then it *would* be a trap. As I believe someone here has said, Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours. :-) :-) :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
OK! Please, just don't claim anymore, that Patanjali *himself* was against practising the siddhis... Vaj: I can only tell you what I was instructed, mouth to ear, in the Patanjali trad. If you want to make up something else, go for it. It has not been established that you even had a Patanjali guru. You don't even seem to understand the rudiments of Siddha Yoga, as I pointed out above. Swami Rama was able to understand Patanjali's Yoga. Apparently, Swami Rama never had a Patanjali Guru either. From what I've read, Swami Rama wanted to be able to practice the siddhis, but he was unable to do so. Read more: 'Swami' Doug Boyd Random House, 1974 Living With the Himalyan Masters' Swami Rama Himalayan Institute Press, 1978 'Walking With a Himalayan Master' Justin O'Brian Yes international, 2006
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
We have discussed this on Usenet and FFL, but you have failed to defend your own 'anthill' delusion that TM requires effort. Vaj: It's not my assertion, it's a basic foundational tenet of Indian philosophy... You are incorrect. You are unable to rise above your 'anthill' perspective. You are biased in your opinion, therefore I cannot accept any of your speculations - you are just not credible, Vaj. According to the first historical yogin in India, 'striving' is counter-productive on the path to release from suffering, as attested by the Buddha, Shakyamuni himself. It was only AFTER the Buddha ceased his own striving, that he was able to attain Nirvana. This is common knowledge for anyone who has practiced Soto Zen meditation or Tibetan Dzogchen. Your citation of the Vidyaranya, a Hindu Swami, who apparently was unfamiliar with the life of the Buddha, does not seem to prove your point. Accoding to Sogyal Rinpoche: So take care not to impose anything on the mind or to tax it. When you meditate there should be no effort to control and no attempt to be peaceful. Don't be overly solemn or feel that you are taking part in some special ritual; let go even of the idea that you are meditating. Let your body remain as it is, and your breath as you find it. Work cited: The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying By Sogyal Rinpoche HarperSanFrancisco, 2002 Buddha Shakymuni: I crossed over the flood without pushing forward, without staying in place. But how, dear sir, did you cross over the flood without pushing forward, without staying in place? When I pushed forward, I was whirled about. When I stayed in place, I sank. And so I crossed over the flood without pushing forward, without staying in place. SN 1.1 PTS: S i 1 CDB i 89 Ogha-tarana Sutta: Crossing over the Flood
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
Well, vajranaatha-s seem to have realized they have extremely little chances to find a good comment on YS that supports their view of practising the siddhis. Actually, there seems to be at least one suutra that emphasizes the importance of not becoming attached to the occult powers, namely IV 29: prasaMkhyaane 'py akusiidasya sarvathaa viveka-khyaater dharma-meghaH samaadhiH. So, one has to remain 'akusiida' even in 'prasaMkhyaana', which means that one has 'viveka-khyaati' in every way (sarvathaa). It doesn't seem possible to know whether one is 'akusiida' e.g. towards the occult powers unless on can master them, now does it?! So, siddhi techniques are somewhat paradoxical: to attain samaadhi (III 3) one needs to practice them (saMyama) but for the highest state of samaadhi (dharma-megha), one has to treat them as any other everyday skill: *yogastaH* kuru karmaaNi!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: Well, vajranaatha-s seem to have realized they have extremely little chances to find a good comment on YS that supports their view of practising the siddhis. Actually, there seems to be at least one suutra that emphasizes the importance of not becoming attached to the occult powers, namely IV 29: prasaMkhyaane 'py akusiidasya sarvathaa viveka-khyaater dharma-meghaH samaadhiH. So, one has to remain 'akusiida' even in 'prasaMkhyaana', which means that one has 'viveka-khyaati' in every way (sarvathaa). It doesn't seem possible to know whether one is 'akusiida' e.g. towards the occult powers unless on can master them, now does it?! As a rather simple analogy, one can't know whether one is potential alcoholic before one drinks some, or stuff? So, siddhi techniques are somewhat paradoxical: to attain samaadhi (III 3) one needs to practice them (saMyama) but for the highest state of samaadhi (dharma-megha), one has to treat them as any other everyday skill: *yogastaH* kuru karmaaNi!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
On May 8, 2010, at 2:36 AM, cardemaister wrote: Well, vajranaatha-s seem to have realized they have extremely little chances to find a good comment on YS that supports their view of practising the siddhis. Actually, there seems to be at least one suutra that emphasizes the importance of not becoming attached to the occult powers, namely IV 29: prasaMkhyaane 'py akusiidasya sarvathaa viveka-khyaater dharma-meghaH samaadhiH. So, one has to remain 'akusiida' even in 'prasaMkhyaana', which means that one has 'viveka-khyaati' in every way (sarvathaa). It doesn't seem possible to know whether one is 'akusiida' e.g. towards the occult powers unless on can master them, now does it?! So, siddhi techniques are somewhat paradoxical: to attain samaadhi (III 3) one needs to practice them (saMyama) but for the highest state of samaadhi (dharma-megha), one has to treat them as any other everyday skill: *yogastaH* kuru karmaaNi! I like the way the greatest yogin in the line of Shankara, after Shankara, Vidyaranya, puts it: Knowledge of Unity Consciousness 5. The Renunciation of the Knower 5.1 The Path of the Paramahamsa Yogins 5.1.4. The two terms [paramahamsa and yogin] are used together in order to exclude someone who is only a yogin and someone who is a paramahamsa. Someone who is only a yogin is a person who, because of his lack of the knowledge of truth, is attached to amazing feats of yogic power, such as knowing the past, present, and future, yogic flying, etc., and has made efforts toward this or that (siddhi) with the various samyama formulae. Consequently he becomes separated from the highest aim of human existence, Unity Consciousness. -- jiivanmuktiviveka 5. atha paJcamaM vidvasaMnyaasaprakaraNam 5.1 yoginaaM parahaMsaanaaM margaH 5.1.4 kevalayoginaM kevalaM paramahaMsaM ca vaarayituM padadvayam uktam kevalayogii tattvajnaanaabhavena trikaalajnaanaakazagamanadiSu yogaizvaryacamatkaaravyavahaareSv aasaktaH saMyamaviZeSais tatra tatrodyuktas, tataH paramapuruSaarthaad bhraSTo bhavati. The oral tradition of Patanjali is rather explicit in that it doesn't cultivate mundane siddhis consciously at all, but instead is interested in mastering the fourth pranayama whereby one masters samadhi beyond restraints of time. Unfortunately for people relying on books, the YS aren't taught in the written sequence, some parts are actually completely skipped over. Many yogic texts rely on oral instruction and are deliberately filled with such traps. Vidyaranya's classic Knowledge of Unity Consciousness has numerous quotes from other sages which backs up this assertion. It's only in disreputable fallen yogis like Mahesh Varma that we see financial leverage of people's fascination with yogic powers. Of course it also has the advantage of causing delusion to arise in the students who fall for it. At that point, it doesn't matter what one says, once delusion sets in, they'll defend their anthill of delusion with everything from linguistic gymnastics to faked quantum physics.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
So, siddhi techniques are somewhat paradoxical.. Vaj: ...is attached to amazing feats of yogic power, such as knowing the past, present, and future One of the most famous 'siddhis' is clairvoyance, (Trikalajriatvam) 'the knowledge of the past, present and future', mentioned in Samyutta Nikaya. Apparently the Swami Vidyaranya got really mixed up on this one. Go figure. Everyone knows that the historical Buddha defined his own realization as the ability to see into the past, the present, and the future, that is, Pubbenivasnussati. This happened to the historical Buddha in the 'first watch of the night' (about 6:00 - 10:00 PM). He realized complete awakening and insight into the nature and cause of human suffering. Pubbenivasnussati: ...is the power to remember the past lives of oneself and others. Basic Buddhism: http://tinyurl.com/3aayfnz He spontaneously remembered all of his past existences or former lives, and the suffering he experienced in each, and he saw into the future and saw all the suffering he was going to experience. He also saw the sufferings of all beings of the past and in the future. He thus concluded that because of the law of karma, it would not be in anyone's best interest to be reborn again. After experiencing this siddhi, the Buddha attained unsurpassed Nirvana, that is, total Unity Conciousness (Bodhi), from which there is no return and no future birth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
Vaj: ...they'll defend their anthill of delusion with everything from linguistic gymnastics to faked quantum physics. Maybe so, but you still have not addressed the central proposition made by MMY: the 'effortless transcending', first mentioned at Madras in 1957. We have discussed this on Usenet and FFL, but you have failed to defend your own 'anthill' delusion that TM requires effort. Buddha Shakymuni: I crossed over the flood without pushing forward, without staying in place. But how, dear sir, did you cross over the flood without pushing forward, without staying in place? When I pushed forward, I was whirled about. When I stayed in place, I sank. And so I crossed over the flood without pushing forward, without staying in place. SN 1.1 PTS: S i 1 CDB i 89 Ogha-tarana Sutta: Crossing over the Flood
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
On May 8, 2010, at 12:01 PM, WillyTex wrote: Vaj: ...they'll defend their anthill of delusion with everything from linguistic gymnastics to faked quantum physics. Maybe so, but you still have not addressed the central proposition made by MMY: the 'effortless transcending', first mentioned at Madras in 1957. We have discussed this on Usenet and FFL, but you have failed to defend your own 'anthill' delusion that TM requires effort. It's not my assertion, it's a basic foundational tenet of Indian philosophy, including the yoga of Patanjali. That's why the word for effort in Sanskrit is also the word for technique. If there's a technique involved, there's always some form of effort involved, as Mahesh even admitted in old TTC's. His students, relentlessly parroting their own misguided ideas with little independent investigation, never seem to have gotten a clue...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 8, 2010, at 12:01 PM, WillyTex wrote: snip Maybe so, but you still have not addressed the central proposition made by MMY: the 'effortless transcending', first mentioned at Madras in 1957. We have discussed this on Usenet and FFL, but you have failed to defend your own 'anthill' delusion that TM requires effort. It's not my assertion, it's a basic foundational tenet of Indian philosophy, including the yoga of Patanjali. That's why the word for effort in Sanskrit is also the word for technique. If there's a technique involved, there's always some form of effort involved, as Mahesh even admitted in old TTC's. MMY said, TM isn't a technique. We call it a technique because it works.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: I like the way the greatest yogin in the line of Shankara, after Shankara, Vidyaranya, puts it: Knowledge of Unity Consciousness 5. The Renunciation of the Knower 5.1 The Path of the Paramahamsa Yogins 5.1.4. The two terms [paramahamsa and yogin] are used together in order to exclude someone who is only a yogin and someone who is a paramahamsa. Someone who is only a yogin is a person who, because of his lack of the knowledge of truth, is attached to amazing feats of yogic power, such as knowing the past, present, and future, yogic flying, etc., and has made efforts toward this or that (siddhi) with the various samyama formulae. Consequently he becomes separated from the highest aim of human existence, Unity Consciousness. -- jiivanmuktiviveka 5. atha paJcamaM vidvasaMnyaasaprakaraNam 5.1 yoginaaM parahaMsaanaaM margaH 5.1.4 kevalayoginaM kevalaM paramahaMsaM ca vaarayituM padadvayam uktam kevalayogii tattvajnaanaabhavena trikaalajnaanaakazagamanadiSu yogaizvaryacamatkaaravyavahaareSv aasaktaH saMyamaviZeSais tatra tatrodyuktas, tataH paramapuruSaarthaad bhraSTo bhavati. The oral tradition of Patanjali is rather explicit in that it doesn't cultivate mundane siddhis consciously at all, but instead is interested in mastering the fourth pranayama whereby one masters samadhi beyond restraints of time. Unfortunately for people relying on books, the YS aren't taught in the written sequence, some parts are actually completely skipped over. Many yogic texts rely on oral instruction and are deliberately filled with such traps. Vidyaranya's classic Knowledge of Unity Consciousness has numerous quotes from other sages which backs up this assertion. It's only in disreputable fallen yogis like Mahesh Varma that we see financial leverage of people's fascination with yogic powers. Of course it also has the advantage of causing delusion to arise in the students who fall for it. At that point, it doesn't matter what one says, once delusion sets in, they'll defend their anthill of delusion with everything from linguistic gymnastics to faked quantum physics. --- OK! Please, just don't claim anymore, that Patanjali *himself* was against practising the siddhis, unless you can prove that the pronoun 'te' in 'te samaadhaav upasargaa...' refers to all the siddhis, not just those mentioned in the previous suutra! (Vyaasa: 'te *praatibhaadayaH*...')
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
On May 8, 2010, at 4:50 PM, cardemaister wrote: OK! Please, just don't claim anymore, that Patanjali *himself* was against practising the siddhis, unless you can prove that the pronoun 'te' in 'te samaadhaav upasargaa...' refers to all the siddhis, not just those mentioned in the previous suutra! (Vyaasa: 'te *praatibhaadayaH*...') I can only tell you what I was instructed, mouth to ear, in the Patanjali trad. If you want to make up something else, go for it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1
Perhaps it should be kept in mind that MaharSi Kapila: smR^ityanavakAshadoShaprasaN^ga iti chennAnyasmR^ityanavakAshadoShaprasaN^gAt.h OM || 2\.1\.1|| ...and MaharSi Patañjali: etena yogaH pratyuktaH OM || 2\.1\.3|| ...were arch-enemies of MaharSi BaadaraayaNa, the author of Brahma-suutras! ;D
