[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Shemp, here's a problem for ya now. It no longer matters if global warming is real. The real question is a matter of possibilities and what a prudent mind would do faced with a risks chart. I'll be really surprised if you can come up with a cogent response to this video's logic. And, in fact, I'm expecting nothing to be posted about this from you, or at best, you'll squeak out some snide flame that proves only that you're incapable of logic. Prove me wrong. Can't, even if I wanted to. I went to the link provided below and youtube had the following message posted: The url contained a malformed video id. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: HYPERLINK http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=bDsIFspVzfIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b DsIFspVzfI No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 7:11 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:51 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See) I went to the link provided below and youtube had the following message posted: The url contained a malformed video id. try again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDsIFspVzfI No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 7:11 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
Thanks to Rick Archer, I've now been able to see the video. I have several impressions that I'd like to convey, but I'll only give one: Do the exact same exercise for Iran and Nuclear Weapons. See what course of action you come up with. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Shemp, here's a problem for ya now. It no longer matters if global warming is real. The real question is a matter of possibilities and what a prudent mind would do faced with a risks chart. I'll be really surprised if you can come up with a cogent response to this video's logic. And, in fact, I'm expecting nothing to be posted about this from you, or at best, you'll squeak out some snide flame that proves only that you're incapable of logic. Prove me wrong. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: HYPERLINK http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=bDsIFspVzfIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b DsIFspVzfI No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 7:11 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to Rick Archer, I've now been able to see the video. I have several impressions that I'd like to convey, but I'll only give one: Do the exact same exercise for Iran and Nuclear Weapons. See what course of action you come up with. == Prior to the Iraq war, International Atomic Energy Agency chairman Mohammed ElBaradei warned there was no evidence of ongoing prohibited nuclear or nuclear-related activities in Iraq. He was subsequently smeared by the administration, but ultimately vindicated as the recipient of a Nobel Peace Prize for getting it right. Today on CNN, ElBaradei sounded alarms about the Bush administration's increasingly hawkish rhetoric in regards to Iran's alleged nuclear ambitions. We have the time to use diplomacy, ElBaradei urged. There is no military solution with Iran: I very much have concern about confrontation, building confrontation, Wolf, because that would lead absolutely to a disaster. I see no military solution. The only durable solution is through negotiations and inspections. ... My fear is that we continue to escalate from both sides from both sides that we would end up into a precipice, we would end up into an abyss. ElBaradei poured water over Vice President Cheney's confident declaration last week that Iran is pursuing technology that could be used to develop nuclear weapons. The world knows this. While ElBaradei did not rule out Iran having an intent to obtain nuclear weapons, he explained that there is no evidence that Iran is currently pursuing such a program right now: I have not received any information that there is a concrete, active nuclear weapon program going on right now. We have information that there have been maybe some studies about possible weaponization. But we are looking into these alleged studies with Iran right now. But have we seen having the nuclear material that can be readily used into a weapon? No. Have we seen an active weaponization program? No. So there is a concern, but there is also time to clarify these concerns. ElBaradei also urged the U.S. to halt its fiery rhetoric and directly engage Iran in talks: The earlier we go into negotiation, the earlier we follow the North Korean model, the better for everybody. Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LXlkfezIW4 - Yesterday ... I flagged Sy Hersh's new New Yorker article on the Cheneyite push for war with Iran -- an article as depressing as it is unsurprising. I want to focus in one passage from the piece about arch-Iran hawk Norman Podhoretz ... Many of those who support the President's policy argue that Iran poses an imminent threat. In a recent essay in Commentary, Norman Podhoretz depicted President Ahmadinejad as a revolutionary, like Hitler . . . whose objective is to overturn the going international system and to replace it . . . with a new order dominated by Iran. . . . The plain and brutal truth is that if Iran is to be prevented from developing a nuclear arsenal, there is no alternative to the actual use of military force. Podhoretz concluded, I pray with all my heart that President Bush will find it possible to take the only action that can stop Iran from following through on its evil intentions both toward us and toward Israel. So this is the threat. Iran overturns the current unipolar world order and replaces it with a new world order dominated by Iran. It's really quite astonishing that people even write this garbage with a straight face. And yet there it is. Lost in all of this is that Iran is, what?, a third rate military power? Maybe? Let's see if we can line up this comparison: Hitler/Germany, head of industrial superpower in the heart of Europe, engaged in massive rearmament putting it back in place as the dominant land military power in the world. Ahmadinejad, head of country with an economy roughly the size of Alabama, a sizable but largely outmoded military. Notice any differences? --Josh Marshall Relevant links here: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/054690.php --- The American discussion about Iran has lost all connection to reality. Norman Podhoretz, the neoconservative ideologist whom Bush has consulted on this topic, has written that Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is like Hitler a revolutionary whose objective is to overturn the going international system and to replace it in the fullness of time with a new order dominated by Iran and ruled by the religio-political culture of Islamofascism. For this staggering proposition Podhoretz provides not a scintilla of evidence. Iran has an economy the size of Finland's and an annual defense budget of around $4.8 billion. It has not invaded a country since the late 18th century. The United States has a GDP that is 68
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to Rick Archer, I've now been able to see the video. I have several impressions that I'd like to convey, but I'll only give one: Do the exact same exercise for Iran and Nuclear Weapons. See what course of action you come up with. You can't do the same exercise with Iran. What are your two choices along the side of the chart?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
jstein wrote: You can't do the same exercise with Iran. What are your two choices along the side of the chart? According to the moderator, you are way over your posting limit. Better put a lid on it! Rick Archer wrote: 59 posts since Friday midnight. Judy has 30. No one else is very close. The limit is 25 per week. Please keep a tally of your own posts.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:08 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See) jstein wrote: You can't do the same exercise with Iran. What are your two choices along the side of the chart? According to the moderator, you are way over your posting limit. Better put a lid on it! I meant to type “35.” She’s not over. Rick Archer wrote: 59 posts since Friday midnight. Judy has 30. No one else is very close. The limit is 25 per week. Please keep a tally of your own posts. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 7:11 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Thanks to Rick Archer, I've now been able to see the video. I have several impressions that I'd like to convey, but I'll only give one: Do the exact same exercise for Iran and Nuclear Weapons. See what course of action you come up with. You can't do the same exercise with Iran. What are your two choices along the side of the chart? In the video, the premise (upper left of grid where the GCC is written) is that there will be catastrophic man-made global warming. Instead, the premise is: Nuclear holocaust initiated by Iran as a result of Iran developing nuclear weapons. You ask, Judy, what are the choices along the side of the chart: they would be the same: False first and then True below it. Along the top of the grid would be the same A and B action representing, respectively yes and no. Now discuss...oh, and remember to ask yourself: what's more likely to actually happen: catastrophic global warming (man-made or otherwise) or Iran actually getting nuclear weapons. Gee, care to speculate on what the odds are of each of the above?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Thanks to Rick Archer, I've now been able to see the video. I have several impressions that I'd like to convey, but I'll only give one: Do the exact same exercise for Iran and Nuclear Weapons. See what course of action you come up with. You can't do the same exercise with Iran. What are your two choices along the side of the chart? In the video, the premise (upper left of grid where the GCC is written) is that there will be catastrophic man-made global warming. Instead, the premise is: Nuclear holocaust initiated by Iran as a result of Iran developing nuclear weapons. You ask, Judy, what are the choices along the side of the chart: they would be the same: False first and then True below it. But you have two premises for each choice: (a) whether Iran is developing nuclear weapons; and (b) whether Iran will initiate a nuclear holocaust. Obviously if (a) is false, (b) is also false. But if (a) is true, (b) might be true *or* false. In fact, the global warming chart has a similar problem: there should be two premises for each choice, but he's conflated them. So neither would be conclusive in terms of end results. There isn't much disagreement that we want to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons. The issue is how we go about it if Iran is in fact trying to develop them, not whether we want to take action or not. snip Now discuss...oh, and remember to ask yourself: what's more likely to actually happen: catastrophic global warming (man- made or otherwise) or Iran actually getting nuclear weapons. Oh, gracious, clearly the former. We have no evidence that Iran is actually developing nuclear weapons (see John's post); but we have quite a bit for catastrophic global warming.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
Well, when are you going to show them? Just go back a few years and you can read all about the dangers of global cooling. In the 1970s, there was increasing awareness that estimates of global temperatures showed cooling since 1945. Global cooling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: [snip] Here's an exercise for ya'. You know those video tapes of recently melting polar ice caps and the side of Greenland that proponents use as evidence of catastrophic global warming? Well, look at the video tapes of polar ice caps and Greenland from 6 or 7 hundred years ago and you'll see that they melted to just the same degree. Let's see those video tapes from 6 or 7 hundred years ago, Magoo. Precisely. Well, when are you going to show them? Uh, that's precisely the point...there ARE no videos from 6 or 7 hundred years ago for me to prove my point. Get it? Yes. Apparently your attempt to refute the NASA produced animation has no basis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: [snip] Here's an exercise for ya'. You know those video tapes of recently melting polar ice caps and the side of Greenland that proponents use as evidence of catastrophic global warming? Well, look at the video tapes of polar ice caps and Greenland from 6 or 7 hundred years ago and you'll see that they melted to just the same degree. Let's see those video tapes from 6 or 7 hundred years ago, Magoo. Precisely. Well, when are you going to show them?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: [snip] Here's an exercise for ya'. You know those video tapes of recently melting polar ice caps and the side of Greenland that proponents use as evidence of catastrophic global warming? Well, look at the video tapes of polar ice caps and Greenland from 6 or 7 hundred years ago and you'll see that they melted to just the same degree. Let's see those video tapes from 6 or 7 hundred years ago, Magoo. Precisely.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Thanks to Rick Archer, I've now been able to see the video. I have several impressions that I'd like to convey, but I'll only give one: Do the exact same exercise for Iran and Nuclear Weapons. See what course of action you come up with. You can't do the same exercise with Iran. What are your two choices along the side of the chart? In the video, the premise (upper left of grid where the GCC is written) is that there will be catastrophic man-made global warming. Instead, the premise is: Nuclear holocaust initiated by Iran as a result of Iran developing nuclear weapons. You ask, Judy, what are the choices along the side of the chart: they would be the same: False first and then True below it. But you have two premises for each choice: (a) whether Iran is developing nuclear weapons; and (b) whether Iran will initiate a nuclear holocaust. Obviously if (a) is false, (b) is also false. But if (a) is true, (b) might be true *or* false. In fact, the global warming chart has a similar problem: there should be two premises for each choice, but he's conflated them. So neither would be conclusive in terms of end results. Well, then, you were incorrect when you said, above, that you can't do the same exercise with Iran because, apparently, you can. They would just be two wrong exercises, according to you. There isn't much disagreement that we want to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons. The issue is how we go about it if Iran is in fact trying to develop them, not whether we want to take action or not. snip Now discuss...oh, and remember to ask yourself: what's more likely to actually happen: catastrophic global warming (man- made or otherwise) or Iran actually getting nuclear weapons. Oh, gracious, clearly the former. We have no evidence that Iran is actually developing nuclear weapons (see John's post); but we have quite a bit for catastrophic global warming. I would disagree with you profoundly on that, Judy, as you can well imagine. I can't believe that you actually believe that Iran, left to its own devices, won't get its hands on nuclear weapons. I find that both sad and bizarre that you are in denial about that. As for predicting weather -- something no one in the history of mankind has successfully done to any great degree -- there is zero evidence of catastrophic man-made global warming. I haven't seen it, nor has anyone. Here's an exercise for ya'. You know those video tapes of recently melting polar ice caps and the side of Greenland that proponents use as evidence of catastrophic global warming? Well, look at the video tapes of polar ice caps and Greenland from 6 or 7 hundred years ago and you'll see that they melted to just the same degree.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Thanks to Rick Archer, I've now been able to see the video. I have several impressions that I'd like to convey, but I'll only give one: Do the exact same exercise for Iran and Nuclear Weapons. See what course of action you come up with. You can't do the same exercise with Iran. What are your two choices along the side of the chart? In the video, the premise (upper left of grid where the GCC is written) is that there will be catastrophic man-made global warming. Instead, the premise is: Nuclear holocaust initiated by Iran as a result of Iran developing nuclear weapons. You ask, Judy, what are the choices along the side of the chart: they would be the same: False first and then True below it. But you have two premises for each choice: (a) whether Iran is developing nuclear weapons; and (b) whether Iran will initiate a nuclear holocaust. Obviously if (a) is false, (b) is also false. But if (a) is true, (b) might be true *or* false. In fact, the global warming chart has a similar problem: there should be two premises for each choice, but he's conflated them. So neither would be conclusive in terms of end results. Well, then, you were incorrect when you said, above, that you can't do the same exercise with Iran because, apparently, you can. They would just be two wrong exercises, according to you. You can't use the chart in the video clip for Iran and come out with a reasonable result. There isn't much disagreement that we want to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons. The issue is how we go about it if Iran is in fact trying to develop them, not whether we want to take action or not. snip Now discuss...oh, and remember to ask yourself: what's more likely to actually happen: catastrophic global warming (man- made or otherwise) or Iran actually getting nuclear weapons. Oh, gracious, clearly the former. We have no evidence that Iran is actually developing nuclear weapons (see John's post); but we have quite a bit for catastrophic global warming. I would disagree with you profoundly on that, Judy, as you can well imagine. I can't believe that you actually believe that Iran, left to its own devices, won't get its hands on nuclear weapons. I find that both sad and bizarre that you are in denial about that. Please read what I wrote again, Shemp. That isn't what I said, is it? You made up something you could knock down and put it in my mouth, as you typically do when you have trouble making a valid point. Iran could well eventually get its hands on nuclear weapons if it has sufficient motivation to do so. However, we might be able to eliminate the motivation if we handle things properly (something we can't do with climate change, BTW, another reason why the video clip chart won't work with Iran). As for predicting weather -- something no one in the history of mankind has successfully done to any great degree -- there is zero evidence of catastrophic man-made global warming. I haven't seen it, nor has anyone. This time you put different words in your own mouth. Reread what *you* said that I was responding to, please. Hint: Note the parenthetical. I'm not going to continue this, Shemp. I've made my point, and you are either unwilling or unable to argue it logically.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Thanks to Rick Archer, I've now been able to see the video. I have several impressions that I'd like to convey, but I'll only give one: Do the exact same exercise for Iran and Nuclear Weapons. See what course of action you come up with. You can't do the same exercise with Iran. What are your two choices along the side of the chart? In the video, the premise (upper left of grid where the GCC is written) is that there will be catastrophic man-made global warming. Instead, the premise is: Nuclear holocaust initiated by Iran as a result of Iran developing nuclear weapons. You ask, Judy, what are the choices along the side of the chart: they would be the same: False first and then True below it. But you have two premises for each choice: (a) whether Iran is developing nuclear weapons; and (b) whether Iran will initiate a nuclear holocaust. Obviously if (a) is false, (b) is also false. But if (a) is true, (b) might be true *or* false. In fact, the global warming chart has a similar problem: there should be two premises for each choice, but he's conflated them. So neither would be conclusive in terms of end results. Well, then, you were incorrect when you said, above, that you can't do the same exercise with Iran because, apparently, you can. They would just be two wrong exercises, according to you. There isn't much disagreement that we want to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons. The issue is how we go about it if Iran is in fact trying to develop them, not whether we want to take action or not. snip Now discuss...oh, and remember to ask yourself: what's more likely to actually happen: catastrophic global warming (man- made or otherwise) or Iran actually getting nuclear weapons. Oh, gracious, clearly the former. We have no evidence that Iran is actually developing nuclear weapons (see John's post); but we have quite a bit for catastrophic global warming. I would disagree with you profoundly on that, Judy, as you can well imagine. I can't believe that you actually believe that Iran, left to its own devices, won't get its hands on nuclear weapons. I find that both sad and bizarre that you are in denial about that. As for predicting weather -- something no one in the history of mankind has successfully done to any great degree -- there is zero evidence of catastrophic man-made global warming. I haven't seen it, nor has anyone. Here's an exercise for ya'. You know those video tapes of recently melting polar ice caps and the side of Greenland that proponents use as evidence of catastrophic global warming? Well, look at the video tapes of polar ice caps and Greenland from 6 or 7 hundred years ago and you'll see that they melted to just the same degree. Let's see those video tapes from 6 or 7 hundred years ago, Magoo.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: [snip] Here's an exercise for ya'. You know those video tapes of recently melting polar ice caps and the side of Greenland that proponents use as evidence of catastrophic global warming? Well, look at the video tapes of polar ice caps and Greenland from 6 or 7 hundred years ago and you'll see that they melted to just the same degree. Let's see those video tapes from 6 or 7 hundred years ago, Magoo. Precisely. Well, when are you going to show them? Uh, that's precisely the point...there ARE no videos from 6 or 7 hundred years ago for me to prove my point. Get it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Thanks to Rick Archer, I've now been able to see the video. I have several impressions that I'd like to convey, but I'll only give one: Do the exact same exercise for Iran and Nuclear Weapons. See what course of action you come up with. You can't do the same exercise with Iran. What are your two choices along the side of the chart? In the video, the premise (upper left of grid where the GCC is written) is that there will be catastrophic man-made global warming. Instead, the premise is: Nuclear holocaust initiated by Iran as a result of Iran developing nuclear weapons. You ask, Judy, what are the choices along the side of the chart: they would be the same: False first and then True below it. But you have two premises for each choice: (a) whether Iran is developing nuclear weapons; and (b) whether Iran will initiate a nuclear holocaust. Obviously if (a) is false, (b) is also false. But if (a) is true, (b) might be true *or* false. In fact, the global warming chart has a similar problem: there should be two premises for each choice, but he's conflated them. So neither would be conclusive in terms of end results. Well, then, you were incorrect when you said, above, that you can't do the same exercise with Iran because, apparently, you can. They would just be two wrong exercises, according to you. You can't use the chart in the video clip for Iran and come out with a reasonable result. There isn't much disagreement that we want to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons. The issue is how we go about it if Iran is in fact trying to develop them, not whether we want to take action or not. snip Now discuss...oh, and remember to ask yourself: what's more likely to actually happen: catastrophic global warming (man- made or otherwise) or Iran actually getting nuclear weapons. Oh, gracious, clearly the former. We have no evidence that Iran is actually developing nuclear weapons (see John's post); but we have quite a bit for catastrophic global warming. I would disagree with you profoundly on that, Judy, as you can well imagine. I can't believe that you actually believe that Iran, left to its own devices, won't get its hands on nuclear weapons. I find that both sad and bizarre that you are in denial about that. Please read what I wrote again, Shemp. That isn't what I said, is it? You made up something you could knock down and put it in my mouth, as you typically do when you have trouble making a valid point. Iran could well eventually get its hands on nuclear weapons if it has sufficient motivation to do so. However, we might be able to eliminate the motivation if we handle things properly (something we can't do with climate change, BTW, another reason why the video clip chart won't work with Iran). As for predicting weather -- something no one in the history of mankind has successfully done to any great degree -- there is zero evidence of catastrophic man-made global warming. I haven't seen it, nor has anyone. This time you put different words in your own mouth. Reread what *you* said that I was responding to, please. Hint: Note the parenthetical. I'm not going to continue this, Shemp. I've made my point, and you are either unwilling or unable to argue it logically. No, don't, because, as usual, you're always right.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:11 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See) Oh, gracious, clearly the former. We have no evidence that Iran is actually developing nuclear weapons (see John's post); but we have quite a bit for catastrophic global warming. It’s worth pointing out, as the cover of this week’s Newsweek does, that Pakistan is now a much greater threat than Iran. They already have nuclear weapons and the country is going nuts at the moment. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: 11/6/2007 8:05 PM
