[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 2:01 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:04 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. Seems like the translator doesn't know Sanskrit syntax very well. The last word of that suutra is a compound word: savyaapasavyasauSumneSu (savya-apasavya-sauSumneSu). Actually Mike is fluent in Sanskrit, although I never really liked his translation of the SS. Have you got any favourite translation of the above suutra? Shiva Sutras: The Supreme Awakening by Swami Lakshmanjoo He was the last living acharya of that tradition. My favorite translation of III 45 goes like this: 3-45 Concentrating on the center within the nose, what use are the left and the right channels or suSumna? naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaat kimatra savyaapasavyasauSumNeSu 3-45 Concentrating (saMyamaat: ~performing saMyama) on the center within the nose (naasikaa+antar-madhya), what use are (kim atra: what here?) the left (savya: iDaa?) and the right (apasavya: pin.galaa?) channels or suSumna (sauSumNeSu)? http://www.shaivam.org/ssshivasuutra.htm As I believe I've explained here before, in an agama like this one, samyama has a different meaning than it does in yoga-darshana. In fact, many different technical terms have different meanings in different darshanas or ways-of-seeing. In the samyama of this school, there is no outward stroke (vyutthana). You seem to imply that e.g. in Patañjali's saMyama there is vyutthaana. IMO, the description of saMyama in the first four suutras of vibhuuti-paada doesn't seem to support that kind of view. Furthermore: sarvaarthaikaagratayoH kSayodayau cittasya samaadhi-pariNaamaH (*kSaya* of sarvaarthataa and *udaya* of ekaagrataa?) The opinion that there is /vyutthaana/ in /saMyama/ might well be based on III 9: vyutthaananirodhasaMskaarayorabhibhavapraadurbhaavau nirodhakshaNachittaanvayo nirodhapariNaamaH .. 9.. Patañjali uses here /dvandvas/ in quite a curious way: the first component of the first dvandva (I guess, inside of a /karmadhaaraya/: *vyutthaana*-nirodha-saMskaarayoH) seems to refer *ONLY* to the first component of the second dvandva (*abhibhava*-praadurbhaavau). It took me a lot of time to accept a syntax like that, but it seems to be the only interpretation that makes some sense (at least from the TM point of view, heh heh...) in the case of this suutra and III 11 above. Thus, if that's the correct interpretation, u can't assume that the deep structure, so to speak, of that suutra contains the phrase praadurbhaava of vyutthaana. QED ;-)
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On Jun 6, 2008, at 5:09 PM, cardemaister wrote: You seem to imply that e.g. in Patañjali's saMyama there is vyutthaana. IMO, the description of saMyama in the first four suutras of vibhuuti-paada doesn't seem to support that kind of view. Furthermore: sarvaarthaikaagratayoH kSayodayau cittasya samaadhi-pariNaamaH (*kSaya* of sarvaarthataa and *udaya* of ekaagrataa?) In any dualistic style of meditation there is an inward stroke and an outward stroke, otherwise you're not merging with your object. Of course in some instances you could merge and stay merged. Keep in mind, not all shamatha or transcendence style meditators close their eyes and retreat. Some learn from the beginning to keep their eyes partially open, much like in some pictures of Shiva.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. Seems like the translator doesn't know Sanskrit syntax very well. The last word of that suutra is a compound word: savyaapasavyasauSumneSu (savya-apasavya-sauSumneSu). Actually Mike is fluent in Sanskrit, although I never really liked his translation of the SS. Have you got any favourite translation of the above suutra?
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On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:04 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. Seems like the translator doesn't know Sanskrit syntax very well. The last word of that suutra is a compound word: savyaapasavyasauSumneSu (savya-apasavya-sauSumneSu). Actually Mike is fluent in Sanskrit, although I never really liked his translation of the SS. Have you got any favourite translation of the above suutra? Shiva Sutras: The Supreme Awakening by Swami Lakshmanjoo He was the last living acharya of that tradition.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
Vaj wrote: He was the last living acharya In fact, the tradition of Laksmanjoo is carried on by his successor, Virish Hughes, who recieved the transmission directly from Swami Laksmanjoo in Kashmir. The main tantric yoga practice in Kashmir Shaivism is a meditation that is transcendental, utilizing a series of bija mantras. From what I've read, this technique was taught to Swami Lakshmanjoo by the Marshy himself. Kashmere Shaivism is a form of absolute idealistic monism. It is similar to the Sri Vidya tradition of Karnataka, and resembles the Adwaita Vedanta of Sri Shankaracharya, who once visited Kashmere and established the Sri Yantra with the TM bija mantras inscribed thereon. of that tradition. Apparently the Shiva Sutras may no longer be extant. Having been authored by Lord Shiva himself, it would be doubtful if the sutras ever existed on actual paper, since it was for years a strictly esoteric oral tradition. (Not to be confused with the 'Shiva Sutras' which are phonemic notations was used to organize the Sanskrit grammar of Panini.) Apparently Vasagupta, author of the 'Shiva Sutras', transcirbed the present sutras in writing directly from Lord Shiva on Mt. Kailas in a dream or a trance induction state sometime in the 8th or 9th century AD. That means that the 'Shiva Sutras' as a 'doctrine' are not part of the original Vedic literature, but rather contained in the 'Spanda' literature in the Trika system of Kashmere Tantrism. Shiva Sutras: According to John Hughes, a TM Teacher, (TTC 1968, Rishikesh), Kashmir Tantrism agrees with many of Maharishi's teachings concerning meditation, bija mantras, and siddha yoga. The system shows many affinities with the description of the yoga philosophy given by Maharishi. Theos Bernard, author of 'Penthouse of the Gods', 'Hatha Yoga', and 'Heaven Lies Within You', has written a lucid review of all the Hindu systems in his book 'Philosophical Foundations of Hinduism', which includes a definitive introduction to the philosophy of Kashmir Shaivism. Works cited: 'Philosophical Foundations of India' by Theos. Bernard Rider, 1945 'Shiva Sutras: The Supreme Awakening' by Swami Lakshmanjoo AuthorHouse 2007 http://tinyurl.com/43t7cd 'Zen Flesh Zen Bones' A Collection of Zen and pre-zen writings including 'Centering' by Laksmanjoo by Paul Reps and Nyogen Senzaki Doubleday Anchor, 1961 Other titles of interst: 'An Introduction to Hinduism' by Gavin Flood, Ph.D. Cambridge University Press, 1996 Note: I have posted two exerpts from my sources in a seperate thread: one is called 'Centering', a translation by the Swami Laksmanjoo, and the second is an excerpt from Theos Bernard. You can also read my report on my website 'Flying Beyond'. 'Centering: The Supreme Awakening' http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/centering.htm Read more: Subject: The most complete analysis of nature yet devised Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Thurs, Feb 9 2006 http://tinyurl.com/3jwbx3 Subject: Maharishi and the last living guru of Kashmir Saivism Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Fri, Jan 6 2006 http://tinyurl.com/44z87r
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It never ceases to amaze me how much dis- and mis-information you can squeeze into just one email. On Jun 6, 2008, at 11:57 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: He was the last living acharya In fact, the tradition of Laksmanjoo is carried on by his successor, Virish Hughes, who recieved the transmission directly from Swami Laksmanjoo in Kashmir. The main tantric yoga practice in Kashmir Shaivism is a meditation that is transcendental, utilizing a series of bija mantras. From what I've read, this technique was taught to Swami Lakshmanjoo by the Marshy himself. gracious snip
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:04 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. Seems like the translator doesn't know Sanskrit syntax very well. The last word of that suutra is a compound word: savyaapasavyasauSumneSu (savya-apasavya-sauSumneSu). Actually Mike is fluent in Sanskrit, although I never really liked his translation of the SS. Have you got any favourite translation of the above suutra? Shiva Sutras: The Supreme Awakening by Swami Lakshmanjoo He was the last living acharya of that tradition. My favorite translation of III 45 goes like this: 3-45 Concentrating on the center within the nose, what use are the left and the right channels or suSumna? naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaat kimatra savyaapasavyasauSumNeSu 3-45 Concentrating (saMyamaat: ~performing saMyama) on the center within the nose (naasikaa+antar-madhya), what use are (kim atra: what here?) the left (savya: iDaa?) and the right (apasavya: pin.galaa?) channels or suSumna (sauSumNeSu)? http://www.shaivam.org/ssshivasuutra.htm
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--(from below): - When you realize this, all discontent and mental suffering come to an end, you are liberated: you know that you are free and immortal. You don't have to be reborn or come back anymore. My comment: I haven't seen much evidence that all discontent is eliminated. Also, Ramakrishna and Ramana died of cancer. Ramakrishna looked like one of those Andersonville prisoners of war toward the end. I can't figure how this (E) puts an end to physical suffering,...which you didn't mention. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:04 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. Seems like the translator doesn't know Sanskrit syntax very well. The last word of that suutra is a compound word: savyaapasavyasauSumneSu (savya-apasavya-sauSumneSu). Actually Mike is fluent in Sanskrit, although I never really liked his translation of the SS. Have you got any favourite translation of the above suutra? Shiva Sutras: The Supreme Awakening by Swami Lakshmanjoo He was the last living acharya of that tradition. My favorite translation of III 45 goes like this: 3-45 Concentrating on the center within the nose, what use are the left and the right channels or suSumna? naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaat kimatra savyaapasavyasauSumNeSu 3-45 Concentrating (saMyamaat: ~performing saMyama) on the center within the nose (naasikaa+antar-madhya), what use are (kim atra: what here?) the left (savya: iDaa?) and the right (apasavya: pin.galaa?) channels or suSumna (sauSumNeSu)? http://www.shaivam.org/ssshivasuutra.htm
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On Jun 6, 2008, at 2:01 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:04 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. Seems like the translator doesn't know Sanskrit syntax very well. The last word of that suutra is a compound word: savyaapasavyasauSumneSu (savya-apasavya-sauSumneSu). Actually Mike is fluent in Sanskrit, although I never really liked his translation of the SS. Have you got any favourite translation of the above suutra? Shiva Sutras: The Supreme Awakening by Swami Lakshmanjoo He was the last living acharya of that tradition. My favorite translation of III 45 goes like this: 3-45 Concentrating on the center within the nose, what use are the left and the right channels or suSumna? naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaat kimatra savyaapasavyasauSumNeSu 3-45 Concentrating (saMyamaat: ~performing saMyama) on the center within the nose (naasikaa+antar-madhya), what use are (kim atra: what here?) the left (savya: iDaa?) and the right (apasavya: pin.galaa?) channels or suSumna (sauSumNeSu)? http://www.shaivam.org/ssshivasuutra.htm As I believe I've explained here before, in an agama like this one, samyama has a different meaning than it does in yoga-darshana. In fact, many different technical terms have different meanings in different darshanas or ways-of-seeing. In the samyama of this school, there is no outward stroke (vyutthana).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
When you realize this, all discontent and mental suffering come to an end, you are liberated: you know that you are free and immortal. You don't have to be reborn or come back anymore. My comment: I haven't seen much evidence that all discontent is eliminated. Also, Ramakrishna and Ramana died of cancer. We're not talking about medical condition, such as cancer or physical suffering due to disease or accidents. This discussion, or at least I thought it was, is about mental anguish, mental discontent and distraction brought about by heavy stress of everyday living. Although, from what I've read heavy stress can be the cause of a pathological condition, which might require therapy of some kind. If so, then I have cited numerous points of evidence to support my theory of stress reduction through yogic means - Patanjali and Marshy. My theory is supprted by several medical experts that I mentioned: Hans Selye, MD., Ph.D. Abraham Maslow, Ph.D. Bernie Siegel, M.D. Herbert Benson, M.D. Did anybody here suggest that cancer or a broken leg could be healed using the power of positive thinking? I think not. Even Antohony Robbins doesn't make these kinds of claims.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva sutras
Vaj wrote: It never ceases to amaze me how much dis- and mis-information you can squeeze into just one email. Indeed! Centering - An excerpt from the Shiva Sutra, translated by Swami by Lakshmanjoo: 7. Devi, imagine the Sanskrit letters in these honey-filled foci of awareness, first as letters, then more subtly as sounds, then as most subtle feeling. Then, leaving them aside, be free. 14. Bathe in the center of sound, as in the continuous sound of a waterfall. Or, by putting fingers in ears, hear the sound of sounds. 19. Intone a sound audibly, then less and less audible as feeling deepens into this silent harmony. Source: 'Zen Flesh Zen Bones' A Collection of Zen and pre-zen writings including 'Centering' by Laksmanjoo by Paul Reps and Nyogen Senzaki Doubleday Anchor, 1961 The main tantric yoga practice in Kashmir Shaivism is a meditation that is transcendental, utilizing a series of bija mantras.
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--- Right, stress can be reduced, as well as overall suffering (if one can even measure such things). However, I take issue with the Neo- Advaitin claim that suffering is eliminated. The main problem with Neo-Advaitinism is that is allows for no gradations or progressions of evolution. It seems: one has just to get it; and with an AHA!; all sufferings vanish. Remarkable! In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you realize this, all discontent and mental suffering come to an end, you are liberated: you know that you are free and immortal. You don't have to be reborn or come back anymore. My comment: I haven't seen much evidence that all discontent is eliminated. Also, Ramakrishna and Ramana died of cancer. We're not talking about medical condition, such as cancer or physical suffering due to disease or accidents. This discussion, or at least I thought it was, is about mental anguish, mental discontent and distraction brought about by heavy stress of everyday living. Although, from what I've read heavy stress can be the cause of a pathological condition, which might require therapy of some kind. If so, then I have cited numerous points of evidence to support my theory of stress reduction through yogic means - Patanjali and Marshy. My theory is supprted by several medical experts that I mentioned: Hans Selye, MD., Ph.D. Abraham Maslow, Ph.D. Bernie Siegel, M.D. Herbert Benson, M.D. Did anybody here suggest that cancer or a broken leg could be healed using the power of positive thinking? I think not. Even Antohony Robbins doesn't make these kinds of claims.
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Vaj wrote: As I believe I've explained here before, Well no, you haven't explained much of anything here before. In fact, you've been deliberatly trying to obsfucate, so far as I can tell. And you're always trying to trash the Marshy. For what purpose? in an agama like this one, samyama has a different meaning than it does in yoga-darshana. In fact, many different technical terms have different meanings in different darshanas or ways-of-seeing. No it doesn't - many of the terms used in Kashmere Shaivism mean the very same thing as in the Raja Yoga system of Patanjali. In addition, with the exception of the concept of 'Maya', many of the terms used in Kashmere Shaivism mean the very same thing in the Adwaita Vedanta espoused by the Adi Shankaracharya. In the samyama of this school, there is no outward stroke (vyutthana). This is almost a totally meaningless statement, Vaj. 'Samyama' is the combined, simultaneous practice of dharana, dhyana, and samadhi. That's TM you idiot! It's the very same thing in the Hindu Tantras. Samyama is activated subconsciously in non-structured form by any thinking activity and experiencing deep levels of trance induction or meditation. Kashmere Shaivism is a form of transcendental, realistic idealism; a form of absolute monism. According to Kashmere Shaivism, 'Cit' is pure consciousness - the One reality. Kashmir Shaivism resembles Hindu tantra, and both have as their key symbol the Shri Yantra, as I previously stated, which was established by the Adi Shankara in Kashmere and at the four principle mathas - Sringeri, Puri, Jyotir, Dwarka, and at Kanchi. In Kashmere Shaivism, the 'aham' bija mantra is considered to be a non-dual interior space of Lord Shiva, which supports the entire manifestation. 'Aham' in Kashmere Shaivism is the 'Supreme' bija mantra and is identical to Shakti. There should be repetition of it, and meditation on it. Kashmere Shaivism is called 'trika' based on the three fundamental states of consciousness: 1. ja-grat - waking state 2. svapna - dreaming 3. sus.upti - dreamless sleep Turiya is the fourth, which is pure consciousness, which is indescribable.
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I take issue with the Neo-Advaitin claim that suffering is eliminated. Well, I wasn't referring to 'Neo-Awaitin' claims - whatever they may be. But it's a fact that all but one system of Indian philosophy agrees with the Sankhya notion that life is essentially marked by suffering, with the exception of Mimamsa. This notion is based on the doctrine espoused by the historical Buddha, Shakya the Muni, and outlined in the 'Twelvefold Chain of Causation' and in the 'Four Noble Truths'. It's a fact that Patanjali begins the Yoga Sutras by declaring that life is essentially suffering caused by ignorance. But, the practice of any of the limbs of yoga does not bring the liberation. The main problem with Neo-Advaitinism is that is allows for no gradations or progressions of evolution. It seems: one has just to get it; and with an AHA!; all sufferings vanish. Remarkable! It's very remarkable, because apparently all we have to do is *realize* the truth of the non-dual. It's not a deep philosophical doctrine, in fact, it's dirt simple: 'There are not two; there is only One'. Only a sophist, a deluded, deep thinker would even entertain the idea of a complicated metaphysics that proposed a multitude of realities. Only a rascally group of city-slicker priests would dream up a fanciful cosmos filled with various spirits, jinns, and demons all hanging from a Jambudvipa tree, all trying to confuse the poor people and get in their pant pockets. It is an 'AHA' moment, as you say; it is a *realization* that there is only One Self, not a multitude of individual soul-monads, re-incarnating in various forms including humans, and sometimes, dwarfs.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 2:01 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:04 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. Seems like the translator doesn't know Sanskrit syntax very well. The last word of that suutra is a compound word: savyaapasavyasauSumneSu (savya-apasavya-sauSumneSu). Actually Mike is fluent in Sanskrit, although I never really liked his translation of the SS. Have you got any favourite translation of the above suutra? Shiva Sutras: The Supreme Awakening by Swami Lakshmanjoo He was the last living acharya of that tradition. My favorite translation of III 45 goes like this: 3-45 Concentrating on the center within the nose, what use are the left and the right channels or suSumna? naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaat kimatra savyaapasavyasauSumNeSu 3-45 Concentrating (saMyamaat: ~performing saMyama) on the center within the nose (naasikaa+antar-madhya), what use are (kim atra: what here?) the left (savya: iDaa?) and the right (apasavya: pin.galaa?) channels or suSumna (sauSumNeSu)? http://www.shaivam.org/ssshivasuutra.htm As I believe I've explained here before, in an agama like this one, samyama has a different meaning than it does in yoga-darshana. In fact, many different technical terms have different meanings in different darshanas or ways-of-seeing. In the samyama of this school, there is no outward stroke (vyutthana). You seem to imply that e.g. in Patañjali's saMyama there is vyutthaana. IMO, the description of saMyama in the first four suutras of vibhuuti-paada doesn't seem to support that kind of view. Furthermore: sarvaarthaikaagratayoH kSayodayau cittasya samaadhi-pariNaamaH (*kSaya* of sarvaarthataa and *udaya* of ekaagrataa?)
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---You still haven't provided any evidence (aside from your usual appeal to dead Authorities) that Self-Realization eliminates suffering DURING one's physical lifetime. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take issue with the Neo-Advaitin claim that suffering is eliminated. Well, I wasn't referring to 'Neo-Awaitin' claims - whatever they may be. But it's a fact that all but one system of Indian philosophy agrees with the Sankhya notion that life is essentially marked by suffering, with the exception of Mimamsa. This notion is based on the doctrine espoused by the historical Buddha, Shakya the Muni, and outlined in the 'Twelvefold Chain of Causation' and in the 'Four Noble Truths'. It's a fact that Patanjali begins the Yoga Sutras by declaring that life is essentially suffering caused by ignorance. But, the practice of any of the limbs of yoga does not bring the liberation. The main problem with Neo-Advaitinism is that is allows for no gradations or progressions of evolution. It seems: one has just to get it; and with an AHA!; all sufferings vanish. Remarkable! It's very remarkable, because apparently all we have to do is *realize* the truth of the non-dual. It's not a deep philosophical doctrine, in fact, it's dirt simple: 'There are not two; there is only One'. Only a sophist, a deluded, deep thinker would even entertain the idea of a complicated metaphysics that proposed a multitude of realities. Only a rascally group of city-slicker priests would dream up a fanciful cosmos filled with various spirits, jinns, and demons all hanging from a Jambudvipa tree, all trying to confuse the poor people and get in their pant pockets. It is an 'AHA' moment, as you say; it is a *realization* that there is only One Self, not a multitude of individual soul-monads, re-incarnating in various forms including humans, and sometimes, dwarfs.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. Seems like the translator doesn't know Sanskrit syntax very well. The last word of that suutra is a compound word: savyaapasavyasauSumneSu (savya-apasavya-sauSumneSu). First of all, -su (because of *internal* sandhi, in this case, -Su), is teh ending of the locative *plural*. That and the fact that the words 'savya' and 'apasavya' are in the stem form, not in an inflected form, shows that the compound is a dvandva of three components, not for instance a tatpuruSa or karmadhaaraya. The deep structure, so to speak, of a dvandva cannot be an adverbial relation between teh components. Instead, it's a simple coordination. So teh locative ending should be applied to all the components, IMO: In the left, right and central channel. Actually, the context may call for some other preposition than 'in'. And so on, and so on... :D So, I'm sorry to say the translator doesn't seem to have a clue of what teh fvck they are talkin about! But, of course, I might be all wrong... 45. Again and again comes all encompassing awareness. Notes 1. The Fourth, i.e. Shiva, with
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On Jun 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 44. What is meant by restraint in the centre of the brow? The left and right in the central channel. Seems like the translator doesn't know Sanskrit syntax very well. The last word of that suutra is a compound word: savyaapasavyasauSumneSu (savya-apasavya-sauSumneSu). Actually Mike is fluent in Sanskrit, although I never really liked his translation of the SS.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva Sutras
How you implement and use these Sutras? do you use the Sidhis technique for each sutra? Thanks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, Here is a copy of the Shiva Sutras that I just came across, trans- lated by Maharishi's honored friend, Swami Lakshman-Joo. It offers some more interesting commentaries on questions that have been raised on this list. Be aware that his language differs from the 7-states language that we're familiar with. For example, he calls the 4th state (Turiya or Transcendental Consciousness) 'God Consciousness', a title we reserve for the 6th state. He seems to call the 6th state 'Tran- scendental God Consciousness'. Remember these are sutras - shorthand hints at much deeper, richer knowledge - and can resonate with that deep Truth if you read them in a settled, open state. Shiva Sutras Translated by Lakshman Joo First Awakening 1. Universal Consciousness is one's own nature. 2. Knowing the individual consciousness as one's own nature and not knowing the Universal Consciousness as one's own nature is bondage. 3. Differentiated perception and the field of individual activities are also bondage. [Editor's note: #2 #3 seem to refer to rishi, devatta, and chhandas in their non-samhita, differentiated, individual state.] 4. This threefold bondage is attributable to and commanded by the Universal Mother while She remains unknown. Hence the field of ignorance comes into ex- istence through Her and not through any other agency. 5. To get rid of this triple bondage, such effort constitutes (the) means, which is identical with Bhairava [Lord Shiva]. 6. With deep contemplation on the wheel of energies, the whole differen- tiated universe comes to an end. [Editor: Transcendental Consciousness.] 7. Such a yogi, who has accomplished this stage, experiences Turiya (Transcen- dental God Consciousness) in the other three states also - jagrat (wakeful- ness), swapna (dream) and sushupti (deep sleep). [Editor: Cosmic Consciousness.] 8. Common knowledge (arising out of differentiation) constitutes jagrat (wake- fulness). 9. Individual differentiated knowledge in the recess of one's own mind is swapna (dream). 10. Loss of discrimination in the field of unawareness is sushupti (deep sleep). 11. The one who has digested (assimilated) all these three states in God Con- sciousness (Turiya) is the Lord of heroes. [Editor: Cosmic Consciousness.] 12. The yogic powers here (in the state of Being) comprises indescribable as- tonishment (wonder). [Editor: practice of the siddhis.] 13. For such a yogi, any desire is identical with the Supreme Energy (Parvati) of Lord Shiva and hence his desire cannot be checked by any power. [Editor: ultimate/end of the siddhis - omnipotence.] 14. For such a yogi, even the body becomes an extraneous object, or the total- ity of extraneous objects is (constitutes) his own universal body. [Editor: God Consciousness.] 15. By establishing one's mind in the heart - the Universal Consciousness - the whole world of perception appears as one's own nature. [Editor: Unity Consciousness.] 16. Or, by establishing uninterrupted awareness of pure supreme Nature, the energy of Shiva is experienced. 17. For such a realized soul, any ordinary thought becomes the means of real- izing one's own Self. [Editor: The growth of Brahman. See last sukta of Rig Veda - By virtue of unitedness, and by means of that which remains to be united, I perform action to generate Wholeness of life.] 18. His being in the ecstatic state of samadhi bestows bliss and happiness to the whole humanity or the totality of enjoyment in the universe constitutes (or comprises) his ecstatic state of samadhi. [Editor: Brahman.] 19. By putting one's mind on universal energy, any body, internal or external, is formed by his mere will. (Such power is attainable by him in the two other states also - dream and deep sleep). 20. Such a yogi is capable of: a. helping humanity unbounded by space and time, b. casting off his body for specified time periods, c. manifesting his body at various places simultaneously by remaining in God Consciousness. 21. When such a yogi abstains from such powers, he attains lordship over the wheel of universal energies through the rise of pure knowledge. 22. [The great lake (of space-time) is experienced through the power of mantra.] [Editor: The number '22' appears, but it's followed by a blank space in the printed copy of Lakshman-Joo's translation. These words are from another translator.] Second Awakening 1. Here the mind of a yogi becomes mantra. 2. The cause of attaining this mantra is one's own effort. 3. The state of totality of knowledge is the secret of mantra. 4. When a yogi's mind remains
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva Sutras
On Apr 8, 2005, at 2:43 PM, anonymousff wrote: How you implement and use these Sutras? do you use the Sidhis technique for each sutra? The Shiva Sutra is an agama of the Trika system. It does not advocate samyama on certain objects like Patanjali and it a very different system of yoga altogether, as it is based on non-dualism (whereas Patanjali is a dualistic path). It describes a form of meditation called Samavesa which is achieved by the method of Sambhava or just 'being Shiva' without any mental construct to do so. If you can't get this state, there are two other systems it describes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
